Dr. Strange Biden

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Is the Biden administration planning to use tactical nuclear weapons against the Russians in defense of Ukraine? It should be unthinkable but we live in an age in which the most offensive and absurd is celebrated, so we can no longer assume anything, no matter how monstrous, is beyond the pale. The bombing of the Nord Stream pipelines was an outlandish act of provocation, so we cannot assume there is anyone in the admiration on the side of restraint.

The first clue that the Biden people are talking about the use of nuclear weapons is their endless talking about the use of nuclear weapons. For months they have been talking about it, in the context of the Russians threatening to use nukes. The trouble is, the Russians have never threatened to use nuclear weapons. Western media keeps making this claim, but an examination of the record shows that Russian officials have repeatedly said the exact opposite.

It is a well known aspect of regime psychology to project what they are doing or plotting onto some enemy of the regime. In 2016 we got the Russian collusion hoax in which Trump was accused of plotting with foreigners to rig the election. What we eventually learned is that it was the regime that was working with foreign intelligence services to not only rig the election but undermine the Trump administration. The opposite rule is an iron law of understanding regime behavior.

There is also the fact that Russian nuclear doctrine does not include tactical use of nuclear weapons in the battlefield. They have tactical nuclear weapons, but Russian nuclear doctrine has always been rooted in deterrence. Their nuclear arsenal is designed as a deterrent against any use of nuclear weapons. In the Cold War they took mutually assured destruction seriously. It is the West that has the weapons and doctrine for the limited nuclear war scenario.

Recent actions in the Ukraine make clear that the Russian plan is to rely on conventional forces to finish off the Ukrainian army. Despite Covid-like narratives in Western media, the Ukrainians have not been winning. Their army has been slowly and methodically depleted. This next phase aimed at making it more difficult for Ukraine to function at all will be followed by fresh offensives. This time there will be a quarter million fresh Russian troops, rather than militias.

It is clear that the Russians see a path to victory using their conventional army and the facts on the ground support that view. The Ukrainians are acknowledging this, which is why Zelensky has been sounding the alarm in calls to Western media. The point is, there is no reason to think the Russians are even thinking about using nuclear weapons in Ukraine, but the Biden administration keeps talking about it as if it is something they think about all the time.

There is another bit of projection at work. The West has said from the start that Putin cannot afford to change course in Ukraine. Even while the Russians were negotiating with the Ukrainians at the start of the war, the claim from the Biden administration was that Putin had no reverse gear. Again, the opposite rule seems to be at work here as the Biden administration has repeatedly said that they will never make a deal with Putin to end the war in Ukraine.

Further, the Biden administration has been repeatedly asked about the limits on supporting Ukraine and the answer is there are no limits. Hundreds of billions have been spent on this project already. Biden was given a blank check to send weapons, contractors and support. The administration has repeatedly said that they are willing to support Ukraine for as long as it takes. In other words, the only option they will accept is the total defeat of Russia.

This leaves the administration little room to maneuver. If their goal in this war is the total defeat of Russia and they will do whatever it takes for as long as it takes to accomplish it, then it is the regime that has no reverse gear. If the fortunes of Ukraine continue on the current path, Zelensky will be faced with surrender or abdication. The West is quickly approaching a crossroads with Ukraine. Do they continue to throw good money after bad or do they find some other option?

As it stands, there are three options. One is to strike a deal with the Russians, which will be on their terms as far as Ukraine is concerned. The second is to abandon Ukraine entirely and let the Russians sort it out after their victory. The third is some sort of game changer that resets the war in favor of the West. Something like a small nuclear bomb smuggled into the Crimea could be such an answer. After all, the West did smuggle a truck bomb onto the Kerch bridge.

When you reduce it all down, the West has given itself just three options, nuclear war, forever war and capitulation. If the third option is off the table and the second option is failing, then the nuclear option is what we have left. Perhaps the reason Joe Biden keeps babbling about nuclear Armageddon is that the people running this war keep talking about using nuclear weapons in his presence. Past regime practice suggests this it at least a possibility.

From the perspective of the people running this war, the nuclear option may make more sense now than a year ago. They have poured massive amounts of arms into Ukraine and launched an unprecedented economic war on Russia. The response from the Russians has been pretty much nothing. Then you have the assassination of Dugin’s daughter, the bombing of the Nord Stream pipelines and the bombing of the Kerch bridge in the Crimea. Russia did nothing in response.

The regime may look at this and conclude they can roll the dice with a tactical nuke into the Russian lines or maybe aimed at the Black Sea fleet. Maybe this would be another red line that was not a red line after all. Alternatively, the use of a nuke would cause the Russians to mobilize their nuclear arsenal and that would be the pretext for a first strike on Russia by the West. This is a well known tactic of the West. They cry out in pain as they strike and use that as a reason to strike again.

Again, it sounds insane, but giving the government the right to mutilate children in the name of transgenderism is just as insane. A regime that is willing to torture children is not going to draw the line at launching nukes. Just as they can spin tales about the ghost of Kiev, they can create a scenario in which the first use of nuclear weapons only kills Russians and Europeans. After all, that would then be a tremendous opportunity to build back better and begin the post-post-Cold War era.


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2 years ago

[…] Dr. Strange Biden |    It is a well-known aspect of regime psychology to project what they are doing or plotting onto some enemy of the regime. In 2016 we got the Russian collusion hoax in which Trump was accused of plotting with foreigners to rig the election. What we eventually learned is that it was the regime that was working with foreign intelligence services to not only rig the election but undermine the Trump administration. The opposite rule is an iron law of understanding regime behavior. . . . […]

Happy
Happy
2 years ago

I’ve worried about NATO doing a false flag radioactive operation for a while, in order to justify something horrible. In other words, they would do it and then claim Russia had done it. Thus justifying God only knows what.

Maybe they gauged how gullible people were with their Nord stream pipeline explosion when yey tried to claim Russia had done it. It’s so important we push back on these things or they will get the nerve up for something catastrophic.

Götterdamn-it-all
Götterdamn-it-all
Reply to  Happy
2 years ago

Our current course of monetary debasement will supply them with all the courage they need. They are not planning to go off a cliff all by themselves.

miforest
Member
2 years ago

here is a report on the situation in ukraine from a man living in ukraine. this is why NATO will nuke first. https://seemorerocks.is/gonazalo-lira-the-turning-point-is-about-to-happen/

heaven help us all. victorial nuland will finally get us all killed. after years of trying.

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  miforest
2 years ago

If all that is true some major sh-t is about go down, and I wouldn’t be surprised given that I’m sure they’ve had enough of NATO meddling. So time for ‘real’ war. They tried this same strategy we tried in Afghanistan for 20 years “hearts & minds” BS that simply doesn’t work. But it only took them months, not decades to realize it. So now its old school, scorched earth time. I would definitely expect a NATO false flag nuke sooner rather than later because once they see that Russia has arrayed enough force to put an end to the… Read more »

miforest
Member
Reply to  Apex Predator
2 years ago

yeah. this war reminds me of the first gulf war. in the run up to desert storm, the press was saying the war would be vietnam on steroids because the iraqis had a much bigger army than north vietnam ever had. . then the shock and awe and the road of death showed just how much uncontested air power could defeat conventional forces. in Ukraine the russians have SAMs that deny The ukrainians any air support , and they are being crushed . the US/NATO/Ukrainian way of war doesn’t work without air dominance . which is buckets of icewater in… Read more »

Unknownsailor
Unknownsailor
2 years ago

I suppose one can hope that Russia has the ability to take out D.C. without a missile as the delivery vehicle. D.C. doesn’t speak for me when it comes to using nukes anywhere, much less on Putin, and I hope Putin recognizes this, and acts accordingly.

miforest
Member
Reply to  Unknownsailor
2 years ago

this confirms what Z has said , and why NATO will nuke first.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
2 years ago

Late afternoon thought:

So, I thought the vaxx was the Killshot.

But it turns out, Market Ticker guy is guesstimating a 3% casualty rate.

So if the Idiot Kings go nuclear…

Instead of WWlll, all we’ll get them taking out the Kum-n-Go in Resume Speed, Iowa.

These maroons can’t even keep themselves from f**king up the end of the world!

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

We are led by such a bunch of goofs that I’d bet hardly any of our tritium nuclear triggers are functional.

I’d also bet that over 95% of Russia’s triggers would work just fine.

miforest
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

the WEF wants to make north america a giant UN world national park anyway. they see this as a feature , not a bug.

miforest
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

market ticker guy is a genius , but the sterilizing effect of the vax is showing up BIG time in highly vaxed countries . so the effect over time will be much larger than 3%. It is still a kill shot

Abelard Lindsey
Abelard Lindsey
2 years ago

Our political class may well get us into a war we cannot win, and it may be the result of using nuclear weapons. The end result might be something like the “Moscow Treaty” in the David Gerrold novels “War Against the Chtorr”. In short, the first novel starts out with a series of plagues that devastates the world about 10 years after a war where the U.S. used nuclear weapons, and lost. The result was a variant of the Treaty of Versailles where the U.S. was no longer allowed to maintain an offensive military capability.

miforest
Member
Reply to  Abelard Lindsey
2 years ago

you wild eyed dreamer , with all your optimistic talk. that would be a walk in the park compared to what happens if the kremlin is convinced we are going to take them out.

Bilejones
Member
2 years ago

Nice piece in Taki’s. It made me smile that you keep the serious stuff for your blog.
Today’s piece is a great concise distillation of what all of use hear are thinking: A sum of all fears.

Kralizec
Kralizec
2 years ago

I enjoyed listening to the AmRen podcast, but Mr. Hood sure talks a lot. One wonders why he invites guests.

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Kralizec
2 years ago

Agreed. He did pretty much hog the conversation.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Kralizec
2 years ago

I thought it was a fantastic conversation, and I don’t care who talked the most. It was one of the better podcasts I’ve heard in a while. Both have a lot of insightful and intelligent things to say. Notice that Zman refers to it as a “talk” and not an interview. That’s how I see it. It’s a great discussion.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

I agree. Mr Hood is one of the better minds on the Right. As is our own Mr Z, of course.

Winter
Winter
Reply to  Kralizec
2 years ago

I thought the same thing. I might not have minded the fact that Mr. Hood talked so much, if only he didn’t interrupt his guest so frequently.

Still a great talk though. It could’ve been twice as long, and I would’ve enjoyed listening. It went by surprisingly fast.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

There seems little reason (meaning none at all) to believe anything whatsoever coming out of Washington. Governments make public statements all the time, usually stupid and utterly divorced from objective reality. Just look around. Second, it is simply not true that the lunatics in Washington are crazy. Evil and greedy beyond all telling, oh, my yes! But stupid? Or crazy? Here we have consummate liars and thieves who have looted the WHOLE WORLD for DECADES and are even now continuing apace. And they have arranged the “justice” system so that they can continue their looting with perfect impunity. And they… Read more »

VictorJugo
VictorJugo
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

You’re just personalizing the net effect of the systemic outcomes from these IYI pampered college kid bureaucrats and diagnosing them “crazy like a fox,” which is just your superstition talking. Many have imposing but objectively deranged job descriptions, Undersecretary for Overthrowing Iran’s Govt, etc. but are not wearing a Napoleon hat to this job, rather, soaking in the frisson of Historical Relevance from journalist courtiers who want the inside scoop on being an important D.C. action princess like from the movies. This type does not have to be “insane”, like the Joker or something, to pursue perverse incentives. The materialist… Read more »

Hoagie
Hoagie
Reply to  VictorJugo
2 years ago

Actually I figure Minneapolis turned into a shantytown because the thieving democommies stole all the money they claimed was necessary for ‘the poor”, “the children”, the “women”, blacks/Hispanics/Muslims/trannies/fags/dykes and all the rest. It’s their MO.

Next they’ll be tapping the feds for the Rebuild America Act that will pop up as soon as all the gelt from the last grift is all distributed to the millionaire and billionaire donors.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Hoagie
2 years ago

Precisely.

The “mostly peaceful protests” in Minneapolis were a real estate acquisition scheme. They burnt out the “free enterprise zones” which were then bought up for pennies on the dollar. Same was true in other cities.

Catherine Austin Fitts plotted the actual locations and, oddly enough, the presence in the various BLM cities of branches of the Federal Reserve Bank and found that the whole thing was a real estate acquisition scheme. That’s why the “mostly peaceful protestors were let run wild.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  VictorJugo
2 years ago

What an impressive word salad!

I have to observe, though, that your brain dysfunction speaks considerably louder than my superstition.

Better luck next time, buckra.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

I generally agree with your take. My only concern is that there be a “true believer” who didn’t get (or understand) the memo and sends things sideways. In our AA government, that possibility is too high for my comfort level.

Vegetius
Vegetius
2 years ago

The GAE should have engaged the Russians last winter by agreeing in principle to something vague and then dragging the matter out in inconclusive talks under the rubric of a “peace process.” The present dispensation could unravel much faster than anyone imagined eight months ago. Not much we can do about this except prepare the mind. Practically, every veteran here might want to engage with their local VFWs, just to see who is who. Non-veterans should be asking to volunteer, again for the same reason. Nov 11 will be here before we now it. Z has addressed the need for… Read more »

Veg
Veg
Reply to  Vegetius
2 years ago

Addendum: the Author’s pairing of an essay on clownocracy with one on nuclear war was appropriately cruel… but still appropriate.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
2 years ago

I agree with the idea that first, the regime will try to ignite a Chernobyl ll as a pretext for NATO to start the big war.

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Zblog Outlier
Zblog Outlier
2 years ago

What’s better for the GAE than Putin using a nuke in Ukraine? The GAE using a nuke in Ukraine and making the world believe Putin did it.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Zblog Outlier
2 years ago

Half the world (well the governments of the ZUSA vassal states) might believe it, or at least go along with the story. A significant number of people even in ZUSA wouldn’t. What they could do about this non-belief is another issue.

At this point, even if Russia did do it, the ZUSA has cried wolf so many times I would not believe it.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Zblog Outlier
2 years ago

“The GAE using a nuke in Ukraine and making the world believe Putin did it.”

And the motivation for and goal of such an action would be … ?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

To turn Putin and Russia into absolute pariahs. Isolate them completely. A Russia without allies would be much easier to topple.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

Animals don’t have “motivation.”

miforest
Member
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

you goof , a pretext to take nato to war , while simultaneously decimation russian forces .
https://seemorerocks.is/gonazalo-lira-the-turning-point-is-about-to-happen/

Greatvampire
2 years ago

If America is planning on using nuclear weapons, they are playing a dangerous game indeed. But somehow–and call me an optimist–I can’t see them doing it. Russia is a nuclear power, after all, and what can be sent can be retaliated against.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Greatvampire
2 years ago

We all have a long list of things we could never see America doing, yet here we are.

WCiv911
WCiv911
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

What are the chances that our demented commander in chief would give an order that his subordinates, having a little more sense (?), would chose to ignore, thus allowing us all to live a while longer?

c matt
c matt
Reply to  WCiv911
2 years ago

The problem with those chances is the demented CiF is not the one who would be giving the order.

WCiv911
WCiv911
Reply to  c matt
2 years ago

If its not the Commander in Chief, C Matt, then the same usurper who ordered the pipe line bombings would be a good first guess.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  c matt
2 years ago

Unsettling that we have to rely on that person’s sanity/judgment/good will, whoever it is. Hopefully, they know it is not in their best interest and would put a serious cramp in the grifting process. That is our best hope this side of the mortal veil.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  c matt
2 years ago

I loathe Joe Biden. I think he is a worthless rootless piece of shit. However, I think it more likely he would resist signing off on such an order. His handlers, who are Satan’s minions on this Earth, would in a heartbeat IF they thought they could get away with it.

It’s PedoJoe’s watch. I hope his dementia hasn’t and doesn’t degrade to the point where he will just sign whatever he is told and then be convinced that is was his idea all along.

miforest
Member
Reply to  WCiv911
2 years ago

zero and none. the most propagandized people in the world are cops and military, they already believe santan and hitler bred and produced putin.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Greatvampire
2 years ago

Agreed. Those of us old enough remember this exact same posturing and sabre rattling from the 70’s. Anything is possible with the Biden regime… but nuclear war will not be profitable at all to Globohomo and it’s palm rubbing happy merchants. Cold War 2 might however, offer significant profiteering assuming we don’t collapse first. I note with some interest that Turkey is making overtures to Russia suggesting a possible and probable economic alliance with them. If true, the rest of our allies in Europe are sure to bolt too. Our Globohomo elites are chitting bricks which is why they are… Read more »

George 1
George 1
Reply to  Greatvampire
2 years ago

Can anyone imagine the collection of low IQ affirmative action Orks and neocon warmongers in the administration debating in a backroom the advantages of using nukes vs not using nukes?

Most of them could not be trusted to operate a lawn mower.

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  George 1
2 years ago

George 1: “could not be trusted to operate a lawn mower”

What’s sad – frankly tragic – is that your satire is literally the God’s honest Truth.

When do you suppose was the last time Joe Biden yanked the starter rope on a gasoline push mower?

1960 [age 18]?

1955 [age 13]?

He slithered his way out of law skrewl in 1968; do you suppose he ever even once in his entire life changed a spark plug on a gasoline push mower?

I rather doubt that Karine Jean-Pierre even knows what an internal combustion engine is.

mikey
mikey
Reply to  Greatvampire
2 years ago

While this seems like an incredibly dangerous situation the response to it, at least in Yankee land, is mysterious.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  mikey
2 years ago

How likely is it–REALLY–that Victoria Nuland and Hillary C and Nancy P and Lindsey G actually expect to spend up to five years in some underground bunker at the Denver airport or in New Zealand? There’s your answer. And how likely is it–REALLY–that those same creatures think that after the radioactivity dissipates and it is “safe” for them to return to the surface of what had been really quite a lovely planet, they would be able to resume their charmed lives at all the right Georgetown cocktail parties or sipping Chablis in Chappaqua or eating gourmet ice cream from a… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

Excuse me; could you say again? Where’s my answer?

Vizzini
Member
2 years ago

From Taki: “If you let the clowns roam free, you end up with a circus.”

Worse than that, you find your community burglarized and your women assaulted. Circus clowns, like the rest of the carny folk, are a bunch of degenerates who the community was eager to have move on when the circus or carnival was finished. Nobody wanted them hanging around.

It’s a perfect metaphor for our ruling class.

TomA
TomA
2 years ago

This scenario (and many similar contingencies) have been modeled extensively. Mean probability is approximately 40% (US military command is still adamantly against). But CIA has the means and resources to implement anyway (aided by MI6). If they proceed, Russia will try to interdict and stop the attack as a first measure. If that fails, Kiev will likely be bombed into rubble via conventional munitions and all utilities infrastructure in Ukraine will be destroyed soon thereafter. That is the local response. But what will happen in the US? Most likely outcome is real action leading to a potential civil war. Several… Read more »

Ed
Ed
Reply to  TomA
2 years ago

Entirely plausible.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  TomA
2 years ago

Good post. But it looks like Russia is going to finish things up pretty quickly now, and dictate peace terms. NATO will wash its hands of the devastation and carnage and go on to their next robbery victim(s). Russian regulars are almost ready to take over from the People’s Militias. And they are shutting the Ukraine down anyway by removing the electrical generation and storage and transmission infrastructure. You are right, though about MI6. The Russians have already publicly pinned the Kerch Bridge Caper on the Brits. They are dangerous and fanatical. I don’t, though, expect any kind of attempt… Read more »

miforest
Member
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

they are taking meat and milk “off the table ” Too. and dammed fast

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
2 years ago

“When you reduce it all down, the West has given itself just three options, nuclear war, forever war and capitulation. If the third option is off the table and the second option is failing, then the nuclear option is what we have left.” With respect to our host, I don’t think the second option is failing at all. It depends what you think the objective function is for this war. Forever War keeps the graft flowing, keeps everyone terrified, it’s an excuse for the Green nonsense, suppresses internal dissent in Europe and the US (to some extent). Forever war is… Read more »

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  Captain Willard
2 years ago

The Russians can wreck the Ukraine with missiles and drones, its Air Force controls the skies, and the armor that has been flowing into the Donbas will easily finish what’s left..General Armageddon will take care of it…

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  pyrrhus
2 years ago

Russia’s airforce obviously doesn’t control the skies. Let’s keep it real here.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Captain Willard
2 years ago

I think you are wrong.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Captain Willard
2 years ago

I’m interested in your assessment.

Why do you think this?

I’ve seen this opinion expressed before, of course, but it was on sites frequented by excitable and generally confused readers.

Anyway, what do you know that makes you way that Russia is not in control of the air space over the Ukraine?

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Captain Willard
2 years ago

Western inventories have been emptied to the point where it is impacting frontline US units.

Germany is so hollow that Ukraine is getting their IRIS air defense system before any Jerry units.

Just one example of replenishment woes would be Raytheon, who has stated they won’t have Javelin production running full-steam until 2023.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

Yes Howard. They are “talking their book”. Once a cost plus 50% contract shows up, they will miraculously expand production.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Captain Willard
2 years ago

It might be time for a lawsuit. I’d really like to know if Raytheon’s employees are fully vaccinated and sufficiently diverse.

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

One of the sources I follow is the military and foreign affairs network on youtube. He’s a little thin on details but usually can give a decent update on what is happening on the front lines and at least pretends to be neutral and level headed. But even he is now constantly talking about the risks of the use of a nuclear weapon. But none of the people talking or writing about Russia using a bomb never really explain how Russia goes from a limited military operation to nuclear bombs in one step. They had not even conducted the limited… Read more »

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

And the winds typically blow east.

Vegetius
Vegetius
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

The Voice of Reason at Military and Foreign Affairs is an excellent commentator, though he will be frustrating to some since he regularly admits what he does not know.

VictorJugo
VictorJugo
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

I agree that Moscow doesn’t want either to nuke the border Slavs or London or Paris, or get secondhand nuke smoke from a Pakistan/India hootenanny in Kashmir. In Washington unfortunately by contrast we have people not only indulging in loose nuke talk as just the high-status way to conduct themselves, they’re self-convinced it’s a badass effective strategy. They are more like pathetic characters from a Coen brothers film than a very special episode of The West Wing.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

“But none of the people talking or writing about Russia using a bomb never really explain how “Russia goes from a limited military operation to nuclear bombs in one step. They had not even conducted the limited general strikes on the grid of a week ago. I would think there would be many steps between “limited military operations” and full on nuclear war.” ^^^ THIS ^^^ I have said this on comment threads here and there until I am blue in the face. The way I put it is that international relations do not go from 0 to 60 in… Read more »

miforest
Member
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

” Pssst., Tars.” i’ll let you in on the gag. see russia is winning big , and the Uke’s are gonna collapse soon. but those Washington guys got it figured out . they are telling the world that putin is gonna use nuke caus he’s loosin. See , then we go in and set off a couple . walla ! The world demands we respond. NATO gets to have an air war that leads to regime change and the breakup of Russia. Then all that Oil, Gas, Gold, Grain, and metals are our for the takin’ . just like we… Read more »

B125
B125
2 years ago

It is all a bizarre situation. Why so much obsession with Ukraine? How deep does Biden’s money laundering go there? What about the rumors of bio-weapons labs? Why are Europeans willfully destroying their economies? Are they purposely destroying the West to make way for a pan-Asian century? I would imagine that 99% of Americans had never even heard of Donbass or Crimea before 2014. Even in 2014, it wasn’t as hysterical as it is now. I had never heard of them, and I’m (somewhat) knowledgeable about geography. The status of the Donbass region is not high on the list of… Read more »

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

As was observed almost 200 years ago by Charles Mackay, people go mad in groups, but only recover their sanity individually….

Iron Maiden
Iron Maiden
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

It’s the self-hatred and its consequences that is all so exasperating. A central facet of moral growth is getting over one’s hang-ups. Why can’t our crop get this basic task right?

B125
B125
Reply to  Iron Maiden
2 years ago

I’m not sure. The fact that it seems prevalent and deeply engrained makes me think it was at some point a useful trait in European people, maybe long ago. Perhaps, willing to go to great lengths to sacrifice for the survival of the overall tribe. Or, willing to work with stranger tribes, resulting in both tribes surviving rather than perishing. Not sure if that’s correct since Europeans had plenty of wars and most definitely were not self hating during those battles. Anyways, it’s some kind of trait coming out that is maladaptive for today’s environment. Being an “outsider” not interested… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Iron Maiden
2 years ago

B/c when you are already morally perfect … .

Do you think that Hillary C and Nancy P think they have hang ups to overcome?

When they look into the mirror, do they see a deplorable?

You know?

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

” Are they purposely destroying the West to make way for a pan-Asian century?”

This is happening be it intentional or not. I keep thinking this might be some sort of D.C.-Beijing double-cross of Moscow, but it just doesn’t fall into place. Best bet is greed combined with sanity, although there is something else at play and we do not see it. Utter madness. I just heard the former lefty CIA director Panetta gave the odds of nuclear war to be 25 percent. Iran has now supplied Russia with replacement drones. Utter madness.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 years ago

We are watching the death of Socialism. Fifteen years of rock-bottom-low-low interest rates have destroyed the pension funds of the world’s rich countries. The leaders can tell the truth and be torn to pieces in the streets OR they can stage a pandemic hoax that wrecks the world economy in front of a very credulous public, and then blame it all on “the hidden enemy.” The virus. It’s all coming down–all the Socialist schemes (paid leave, pension schemes, retirement)–ALL of it. It HAS to be hidden from the public. And that’s what they are doing. The members of the various… Read more »

Wkathman
Wkathman
2 years ago

With regard to today’s Zman post at Taki: His depiction of Western politics as a clown show/circus is great, yet I think he takes the clown show/circus too literally. Liz Truss isn’t actually running England any more than Joe Biden is actually running America. Western so-called leaders are mere puppets. My own suspicion is that anyone with genuine power is smart enough to stay off our television sets and avoid publicity in general. Politicians are prestige whores who crave attention, as Zman aptly explains. Those with genuine power cherish power for its own sake and don’t give a damn about… Read more »

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  Wkathman
2 years ago

Z has talked about how Kremlinology has come to the US and we have to take a look at everything that comes from the GAE in terms of who behind the scenes is saying it and what power play is going on. We saw this with Trump quite explicitly, where every time he said anything, some story would come out in the NYT/WaPo/CNN/whomever stating “unnamed sources” undermining him. It was obvious he wasn’t running the show and it was the media’s job to normalize this. Of course this has continued, with the difference being that they installed an obvious vegetable… Read more »

Wkathman
Wkathman
Reply to  Mycale
2 years ago

My cynicism about politics now runs so deep that I am no longer sure that any American president in history was truly “running the show.” Did George Washington have genuine power when he was in the White House — or were monied interests pulling the strings from behind the scenes, merely using Washington as their puppet/decoy? How can anyone in our own time even know the answer to that? It’s lost to history. I try not to speculate too much about the motives of those who run the GAE. However, consistent with your post, Mycale, it certainly appears that they… Read more »

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  Wkathman
2 years ago

There’s always going to be monied interests. An aspect of political leadership was always balancing and playing the various factions off each other, drawing strength off the right ones when appropriate. It’s quite possible for a skilled leader to use these factions to get what he wants, with the obvious risk of drawing their ire. The Ancien Regime in France, or the various imperial power struggles in Rome, are classic examples of this. Making a mistake could be quite literally deadly for the leader in these courts. That said, it seems the big difference between then and now is that… Read more »

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Mycale
2 years ago

The GAE is done. The economy is largely comprised of bullshit financial services and debt.
Here’s an example. This threeway fan switch cost $7.97. at Home Depot.
https://www.homedepot.com/p/Commercial-Electric-3-Way-Fan-Light-Switch-82355/306596875?

I can buy 5,000 of them in China for $250. That’s 5c each. That leverage of 16,000 % is advertising packaging transport and profit and grift at each step. That’s probably a bit extreme. One half of one percent real, the rest?

Halb
Halb
Reply to  Wkathman
2 years ago

While president, Obama was asked what was the most surprising thing about being president. “How little power I actually have,” was his answer.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Wkathman
2 years ago

Au contraire, mon frere! Actually believing what is presented to us is the very apex of naivety. But the vast majority of people seem to do it anyway. Credulity is much easier than actually thinking. And for Leftists, much more self-serving.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

I found the answer on Gab:

“If I do what my tv tells me and eat bugs and give more money to the government the weather will be gooder.”

WCiv911
WCiv911
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

“Credulity is much easier than actual thinking.”

Tis true, but thinking is not very productive either. Too many unknowns, lies, propaganda. Facts are precious and few and you cannot even be sure that you have one when you really do.

Serendipity, mistakes, miscalculations, misunderstandings, black swans, false flags. Actually, nobody is in control. Like a tag team wrestling match.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  WCiv911
2 years ago

Why, I say there, old boy! You sound like an epistemological anarchist!

Blair
Blair
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Similar to the plot of ‘Cleanskin.’ (Decent Sean Bean film).

sneakn
sneakn
2 years ago

“A regime that is willing to torture children is not going to draw the line at launching nukes.”

That’s a terrifying line and something to think about when I am asked why do I care so much about the trans issues.

Carlyle
Carlyle
Reply to  sneakn
2 years ago

Now in darkness, world stops turning
As she is aware there’s bodies burning.
No more war pigs of the power
Hand of God has struck the hour
Day of judgement, God is calling
On their knees, the war pigs crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Satan, laughing, spreads his wings

Boris
2 years ago

Or all this (the drumbeats of nuclear war) could just serve as yet another psyop (see Covid, climatism, anti-Whiteism, energy crisis, etc) to further dishearten the Western volk. For the US, maybe it’s a way to tamp down the vote (why vote if the world will end by Xmas?). I dunno. The bottom line is don’t expect any good news – EVER – as long as these psychopaths are in charge.

Mr. Generic
Mr. Generic
Reply to  Boris
2 years ago

Yes. The sheeple of the west have finally lost their fear of the china coof so now it is time to ramp up the fear levels of Putler’s nukes so that they will be good little children and get back to doing what the government says.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Boris
2 years ago

“For the US, maybe it’s a way to tamp down the vote (why vote if the world will end by Xmas?).”

It is a mistake to think that most Americans are aware of anything other than what is strictly personal and private. They don’t hear all this loose bombast and drivel about democracy and Putin and all the rest of it. Strike up a conversation with somebody in the grocery store.

Herrman
Herrman
Member
2 years ago

My bet for the “October Surprise” has been either a nuke going off somewhere by someone, or Biden (maybe Trump) getting the Kennedy treatment. Both scenarios would be sufficient pretext to cancel the midterm elections, declare martial law, and install a never-ending emergency that gives the swamp everlasting power.

Mow Noname
Mow Noname
Reply to  Herrman
2 years ago

“install a never-ending emergency that gives the swamp everlasting power”

The ruler of my Blue hive controlled midwestern state just signed “emergency” declaration numer 37 (38? 39?) because Covid and reasons.

From week-to-week, I’m unsure if I can leave the US or work in certain states because of my “vaccination status”.

Nothing is permanent in this world, but I figure if things have been going on for over 2.5 years (arbitrary Covid rules, voter fraud, political prisons for those who object) then that is close enough to permanent.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Herrman
2 years ago

They already have it.

They are now just making sure you cannot escape the realization you are suffering under its spite every minute of everyday.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Herrman
2 years ago

And just who would enforce a declaration of martial law? And where? And how?

And suppose there are men in the general population who don’t WANT martial law? And suppose those men take out the nine (9) electrical installations that bring down the WHOLE American power grid?

https://www.utilitydive.com/news/could-terrorists-really-black-out-the-power-grid/241192/#:~:text=If%20nine%20key%20substations%20are,for%2018%20months%20%E2%80%94%20or%20more.&text=The%20possibility%20of%20a%20terrorist,Commission%20(FERC)%20says%20yes.

Martial law is not enforceable.

And the elections don’t matter b/c neither side will accept the results, regardless of what they are.

There are NO political solutions. It’s FAR too late for that.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

Hey, Infant, I hope you aren’t implying that the lovely, beautiful Tulsi who all the post-menopausal male conservative commentators are going whoozy over isn’t going to save the Republic when she’s shooed into the WH?

Celt Darnell
Member
2 years ago

I certainly hope you’re wrong, but can’t say I’m confident you are.

That said, one thing that has marked out the behavior of this regime is that while they’re happy to inflict misery on the dirt people, they generally cover their own asses.

For example, defunding the police is fine for them, because they have private security. Destroying public education by any means is fine, because they have private schools, and so on.

That shit goes out the window when Russia launches its nuclear arsenal…

PeriheliusLux
PeriheliusLux
Reply to  Celt Darnell
2 years ago

I am not so sure about the private schools. They may be worse than the public schools. The most recent example is Maryvale in Maryland. There are many interesting things about Maryvale. One being that the DIE administrator got caught on camera advocating giving more resources to the POC students. She said that the and the teachers are warned when donors come to the school so they can keep the CRT lesson subverted until the donors leave. Then she said that they all smile at the donors faces and then flip them off behind their backs when they turn around… Read more »

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  PeriheliusLux
2 years ago

A Catholic school near us fired a guy I know for speaking against trannies in a respectful manner. Basically a bunch of rich liberals enrolled their kids in the school to avoid the failing public schools during Covid, then immediately started bullying administration to water down religious teaching.

It’s a war on all fronts, and the only solution is burning the education credentialing apparatus to the ground and strict separation.

PeriheliusLux
PeriheliusLux
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

Believe it or not, I heard the Claremont guys say the exact same thing the other day. I believe it was, “… and, figuratively, burn the teacher credentialing system to the ground and salt the earth with it.” The only question is how many kids will be committed to reconstituting it after it gets burnt to the ground. To me, this is the great argument for peaceful separation. We just can’t engage in a never ending game of whack-a-mole with the anti-civilizationists. The only hope is to separate and be free to embark on building what we want and maintaining… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  PeriheliusLux
2 years ago

A man can do more than dream:

https://wittenbergacademy.org/

Totally online. Totally accredited. Totally affordable.

Classical trivium & quadrivium. Available NOW and to ALL.

No nonsense.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

There are Catholic schools, and then there are “Catholic” schools. And then there are Jesuit schools.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  c matt
2 years ago

And then there’s homeschooling.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

Yes, there is that, but there is also this, which is much easier, quicker, and more immediately effective b/c it is available NOW:

https://wittenbergacademy.org/

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

Thanks I was hoping to hear of that again, to bookmark it.

As to home-schooling, the same guy in CA who pushed thru SB277- mandatory school covid vaccination- is now pushing SB18, where the state can kidnap (repossess) kids for either vax resistance …or home-schooling.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  PeriheliusLux
2 years ago

Private school(s) are not a unitary entity. They vary greatly. The state of rot as you call it is not—and can not—be universal. Only the State can mandate universal “rot”. In this State, the leader across the nation in Charter Schools, school funding follows the student. Private schools abound. If a family dislikes their public school or a particular private school, they can enroll their student elsewhere. That is the answer to CRT. The parent is responsible for understanding their children’s curriculum. It has always been so—or should have been so. Further, if even that fails, funding follows student and… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  PeriheliusLux
2 years ago

Totally online. Totally accredited. Totally affordable. NO American child or family is trapped in the guvvermint skool systim.

https://wittenbergacademy.org/

Classical trivium & quadrivium.

AlsoJEB
AlsoJEB
2 years ago

“The bombing of the Nord Stream pipelines was an outlandish act of provocation, so we cannot assume there is anyone in the admiration on the side of restraint.” “The trouble is, the Russians have never threatened to use nuclear weapons. Western media keeps making this claim, but an examination of the record shows that Russian officials have repeatedly said the exact opposite.” “There is also the fact that Russian nuclear doctrine does not include tactical use of nuclear weapons in the battlefield.” “After all, the West did smuggle a truck bomb onto the Kerch bridge.” Are any of these statements… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  AlsoJEB
2 years ago

Try thinking of Z’s writing as essays rather than as news stories. Here is a literate, civilized man man who looks around at the world we live in, tells us what he sees, and what he thinks about it. He isn’t trying to convince us of anything or teach us anything. He merely writes about what he sees and what he thinks about whatever that happens to be. And he does it with style and, often, with wit. Documentation is for another literary form. I daresay that Z would have far fewer readers if he bored us with whatever you… Read more »

JEB
JEB
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

According to Wikipedia, “An essay is, generally, a piece of writing that gives the author’s own argument…”, so an essayist who won’t argue, and who, as you put it, isn’t trying to convince or teach anybody, would seem to be a little unclear on the concept. Worse, he damages his own cause. I’m already a racial nationalist, and if many of the things Z says seem dubious even to me then he is never going to reach the people who need to be reached. The respectable people. The people who can actually make a difference. You might say reaching those… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  AlsoJEB
2 years ago

JEB, are you that hot soldier chick weirdposting for the Army recruiters?

PeriheliusLux
PeriheliusLux
2 years ago

In other words, the GAE is a synonym for Dumpster Fire. Let’s pray it isn’t a nuclear one.

Barnard
Barnard
2 years ago

On your Taki column, I am puzzled by genuinely wealthy people who run for office. The Bill Gates type path towards purchasing influence and getting declared an expert by the media and political leaders in any topic you wish to pursue seems much more appealing to me. Some of the occupations listed for current Senators on Wikipedia are comical, but a lot of them can’t even attempt to hide the fact they have never worked outside the regime. Chris Van Holland has listed, US Senate staff member, legislative advisor and lawyer. Then if you click through to his bio, you… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Barnard
2 years ago

It’s a power trip. Why buy off a middle man when you can directly operate the clown show? There are perhaps different reasons for different folk—Bill Gates being an example. He was always an overbearing narcissist. In the early days of MS, we’d subscribe to MS support. They’d send monthly packs of CD’s with software updates and tools and documentation and so forth.

One of the first CD’s was always a staged “interview” with Bill during which he’d answer questions put to him on a variety of topics—not limited to technical advise and prognostication. It was obnoxious.

Gunner Q
Reply to  Barnard
2 years ago

“I am puzzled by genuinely wealthy people who run for office.”

For one example, members of Congress are exempt from insider trading laws. That’s how the Pelosi cartel operates. So long as Nancy is in the House, her husband’s stock market plays are legal.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Gunner Q
2 years ago

Good news, Gunner!
The Congress just exempted itself from IRS tax audits too.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Barnard
2 years ago

Because as Longie Zwillman said the only way to make real money in the US is politics or organized crime.

And now they are melded into the same entity, running a mob is public politics.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Barnard
2 years ago

The public is blissfully unaware.

AnotherAnon
AnotherAnon
2 years ago

Of all people, even Angela Merkel gets it. Her recent remarks showed she’s now willing to publicly say Washington has Germany in a corner. One must not gloss over another critical cause for escalation of the energy «crisis» and that is the truculence of Germany’s Greens, best represented by Germany’s “other” Angela. We often assume this faction amounts to harmless hippies, but they have become a dangerous faction with sophisticated means for bringing the West to its knees. In Germany the Greens played an important role in deadlocking Nordstream. Put another way, the Biden admin didn’t blinker Nordstream acting alone.… Read more »

Mcleod
Mcleod
Reply to  AnotherAnon
2 years ago

“ Engine One’s tactics against Exxon” The United States needs to prevent companies like Blackrock from casting proxy votes on behalf of the actual owners of the funds. There was/is a push to end the tyrannical actions of the Larry Finks of the world.

https://www.natlawreview.com/article/bill-would-require-passively-managed-funds-to-vote-proxies-instructed-investors

Maniac
Maniac
2 years ago

Rumor has it that Nancy Pelosi purchased a significant amount of stocks of Amgen, a company that makes drugs to treat radiation sickness. Lovely.

If WWIII kicks off soon, I hope I’m standing right beneath the first missile so that Jesus takes me away to a place where I won’t have to worry about shit like this ever again.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Maniac
2 years ago

While disconcerting, what that hopefully means is that the government just plans on throwing huge chunks of cash Amgen’s way, not that they will actually need any of the product. Like the millions of booster shots no one is taking.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Maniac
2 years ago

Relax. It’s just business as usual. Graft and corruption. “Nuk-yu-ler war” is the fashionable topic right now b/c the President of the United States has made insane remarks about it, and all the networks have had Colonel This and General That on TeeVee to yamjer about “nuke-yu-ler capabilities.” And so on. It’s on TeeVee all the time, so it’s fashionable to mention at the water cooler. And since it’s fashionable and much-talked-about now, their share price has risen, and Nancy P is not one to miss etc., etc., etc. No point in going on about it. But what has REALLY… Read more »

Anna
Anna
2 years ago

Putin is the new Jew. He is being totally dehumanized, so that no complaints arise about the planned destruction of him.
Assume that as a formal KGB man he is in a possession of unappealing facts about some dangerous personalities.

Stephen Flemmi
Stephen Flemmi
Reply to  Anna
2 years ago

You mean scapegoat. Right?

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  Anna
2 years ago

Oy very! They are dehumanizing him it’s a nuddah shioah! You people are so predictable that I marvel our collective memory seems to forget your pathological mind games every century so you get to play them over and over again with each new generation. Putin has been called Hitler for –months– yet to you, the persecuted Chosen, you say he is being isolated as jew. Just as it happened in the past those doing most of the isolating, punishing, and dirty tricks are crying the loudest about being dehumanized. Why don’t you take Kanye and go visit the Holocaust memorial… Read more »

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Anna
2 years ago

Anna visits us occasionally and always demonstrates her monomania with her J3wishness and lack of awareness of how she appears to others.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 years ago

It’s really Stormy Daniels.

Betcha.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

Blonde hair color on sale at Katz’s Kosher!

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
2 years ago

Recall that it is the Evil Empire that has used nuclear weapons before — and those too on civilian populations. So it’s entirely plausible it will use them again.

jethro
jethro
Reply to  Arshad Ali
2 years ago

The poor Japanese!

Why did those dastardly Americans just randomly bomb two Japanese cities with noo-klear weapons?

I blame it on the cowboy hats they all wear; gives ’em ideas.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  jethro
2 years ago

It’s “nu-que-lur”. Get it right, griller.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  jethro
2 years ago

Slim Pickens was Japanese?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Slimiki Pikinama

usNthem
usNthem
2 years ago

Since America is the only country in the history of mankind to actually nuke fellow human beings, the idea that they’d do it again is not as far fetched as one would hope. However, threatening a country that can respond in kind vs one that couldn’t is just a tad bit more dangerous. This (former) country is nothing but a force for evil in multiple ways on this planet. I suppose everyone else is coming to this conclusion. However, the $64,000 question is, will anything be done about it? It’s laughable to think how we’ve always been told to worry… Read more »

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  usNthem
2 years ago

> Since America is the only country in the history of mankind to actually nuke fellow human beings, the idea that they’d do it again is not as far fetched as one would hope. Nukes were the only way to get Japan to unconditionally surrender without wasting hundreds of thousands of troops in a land invasion. The issue is whether unconditional surrender was absolutely necessary for the war to reach a satisfactory conclusion. The Korean war only ended in a stalemate because MacArthur’s insane requests for nuking China repulsed everyone at home so much. Do our elites still have that… Read more »

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

AFAIK, Japan did not “unconditionally” surrender. There was one condition they would not waive and that was the emperor. Frankly, it wasn’t the nuclear bomb that made them surrender. I don’t know if it really true, but I heard a Japanese military leader say something to the effect of “one plane, one bomb, one city or a 1000 planes and 10k bombs, one Japanese city, what’s the difference” Tokyo was bombed to the ground. I’ve read that more people were killed in the Tokyo raid than in Nagasaki and Hiroshima combined. They surrendered because they couldn’t win, nukes or no… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

Yes, Japan did surrender unconditionally. Yes, the main stumbling block was the emperor as everyone swore to die for him and the thought of war trials with the emperor as the main prize was worse than death. However, the emperor overruled (after the bomb) the cabinet and really, the military junta running the government, and ordered surrender. McArthur saved the emperor’s ass as he saw (rightly) the emperor as a key individual in uniting and controlling post war Japan. This was not popular back home as most American people wanted to start hanging these clown as they were busy doing… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

I’ve seen no evidence indicating Japan was on the verge of surrendering before Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Little Boy and Fat Man dramatically hastened Japan’s surrender and saved many lives on both sides of the ledger.

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

Japan was utterly and completely defenseless against air attacks. The conventional attacks were just as bad. Though I cannot say I’ve ever been in a firestorm, can’t say it’s something I want to do either.

AFAIK, those were the only 2 bombs we had and were extremely expensive to make before the reactors generated what they needed.

Whether any Japanese military leadership ever said those words or not, they are absolutely true. The nukes could not have done to Tokyo what thousands of planes dropping conventional bombs and incendiary devices accomplished.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

A few have pointed out that the largest Christian centers allowed in Japan were in Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

Religiously, then that would make an eastern Holy Altar Fire to complement western Holy Altar Fire in which the Germans were the actual sacrifice.

And, we know to Whom this sacrifice was made, that it might manifest in 1948.

Hint: it wasn’t Our Guy.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

Nukes were the only way to get Japan to unconditionally surrender without wasting hundreds of thousands of troops in a land invasion. The issue is whether unconditional surrender was absolutely necessary for the war to reach a satisfactory conclusion.

Still, that does not make using them any less a terrorist attack. Instilling terror by incineration of the civilian population was its stated purpose, regardless of the ends sought. Its more likely unstated purpose was to demonstrate US power to the Soviet Union.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  c matt
2 years ago

War is a dirty business. Inherently immoral it could be argued. The Japanese were no saints themselves and the slaughter of the Japanese army upon civilians and POW’s when waging war on the enemy was less than strategic in intent. Laying waste to their cities as the US did *could* be argued as purposeful (strategic) in breaking the “will” of the Japanese people and at least aimed at ending the war. (Of course, this was misguided thinking—but that’s another story) This includes the use of nukes—especially nukes as those were unique weapons heretofore unknown. We purposefully choose Hiroshima and Nagasaki… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Compsci
2 years ago

We purposefully choose Hiroshima and Nagasaki as they were *civilian* and untouched by normal bombing. The point was to drive home the idea that we would simply eliminate the Japanese people as a race—genocide— Precisely. This acknowledges it was a terrorist act. People can (and have) argued back and forth ad nauseum that it was somehow justified. Justified or not (and I fall into the “not justified” camp) it was a terrorist act. What I don’t get is people who argue that it was somehow not terrorist. Of course it was – you just admitted as much. Just accept it… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Compsci
2 years ago

Matt. Nope, that’s not my definition of terrorism. The bombing of civilians in this case directly led to the ending of hostilities. It was purposeful, and effective. Just as say, bombing a munitions factory and killing the civilian workers inside—but infinitely more effective. In war, the civilian population *can be* a legitimate target. How can one expect that a civilian population that works within the home country to feed and arm an army which wages war on another country is in some way not “targetable”? Of course it is. What matters here is the necessity and intent of the targeting.… Read more »

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Compsci
2 years ago

– then your definition of “terrorism” is inherently flawed. “Terrorism” was terminology used during the war to ravage a hostile country’s civilian population as to induce actual terror in said population to depress/demoralize it to such an extent as to render it incapable of conducting war. Warplanners literally used the term “terrorism” in justifying fire bombing cities.

james wilson
james wilson
Member
Reply to  c matt
2 years ago

It’s not that nukes were the only way to force the Japanese to surrender. It was the only way for the Japanese to allow themselves to surrender.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  james wilson
2 years ago

Very insightful. That’s what I should have said first and then shut up.

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  c matt
2 years ago

it’s terror bombing, not terrorism. It also crippled their industry and ability to wage war. That was BIG part of city bombing. Before feeling too sorry for the Japs, read up on the rape of Nanjing. They were some evil bastards. They were also trying to perfect dropping biological weapons on cities. The biological experiments they did in China were just evil.

Furthermore, what is the moral difference between firebombing Dresden, Tokyo and Nagasaki and Hiroshima? The people are just as dead.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

That’s a distinction without a difference sans the usual nominal claims of neutralizing enemy warmaking capacities. “Terror” is the root of “terrorism”; both of which were strategic terminology applied by American and British warplanners for their air bombing doctrines. The thought went that, essentially, if you bomb civilians enough they’ll get too depressed to keep fighting. It was a bombing doctrine distinguished as being separate from the more conventional bombing of military industrial targets. “Furthermore, what is the moral difference between firebombing Dresden, Tokyo and Nagasaki and Hiroshima? The people are just as dead.” This is just a dumb rhetorical… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
2 years ago

Thank you for mentioning the bio weapons and those experiments- they are the stuff of nightmares.

The bodies and records exist, so yeah, this time it was real, unlike the western myths.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  c matt
2 years ago

“Its more likely unstated purpose was to demonstrate US power to the Soviet Union.”

Profound. I agree, as Japan was nationalist, and an expendable sidebar.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

…without wasting hundreds of thousands of troops in a land invasion. — That was never going to happen. The issue was that the war was quickly running out of steam as Americans were not really hip to the bodies that were being stacked up because someone in D.C. didn’t want the Japanese occupying French Indochina or whatever. At that point it was either use the nukes or get the best deal that could be had out of the Japs. (It’s really hard to Monday Morning Quarterback this, but in hindsight it seems like a peace deal should have been struck… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
2 years ago

I have never heard that the American people were tired of the Pacific war and were urging peace and negotiation. Never heard such, never read such. The Americans were elated at the end of Germany and Hitler and were chomping at the bit to do the same to Japan and Tojo. Millions of men from the European theater were being equipped for transfer to the Pacific. Best I’ve heard was that the discussion dwelled on whether to starve the bastards out, or invade. Starving of course was a process of unknown duration and also would have been a attack *solely*… Read more »

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  Compsci
2 years ago

Americans were 95% against entering the war. The war was not like war today in America. There was a ton of inflation and shortages of everything. My father used to tell me how his first bicycle had solid tires because you couldn’t get rubber. Near the whole of US industry was dedicated to fighting the war. All of the Northern cities got huge influxes of blacks from the South to take the jobs the White men had to leave to go fight/die. The term “Victory Garden,” a word I grew hearing all the time in the 70s originated because of… Read more »

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

You are full of shit.
The nukes were unnecessary.
They were mass murders for the enlightenment of the Soviets. One more war crime.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

Truman nuked the Japs mainly to show Uncle Joe that he had The Bomb.

Nowadays, the Russians already know that. And THEY have it, too.

So there’s no comparison between 1945 and now.

Vegetius
Vegetius
Reply to  usNthem
2 years ago

Brad Pitt was almost certainly tainted decades ago.

In Hollywood, you have to debase yourself just to get a job cleaning the casting couch.

Mcleod
Mcleod
2 years ago

The West has been baiting Putin hoping that he’ll overreact. The western “elites” are on the ropes and they desperately want/need a war. The real battle, however, is the reserve currency. BRICS+ vs the West. The Federal Reserve will burn the economy to the ground trying to preserve the $ as the world’s reserve currency.

Gunner Q
Reply to  Mcleod
2 years ago

I increasingly wonder if the West NEEDS Putin to overreact in order to maintain a stable government. The GAE’s insane “statecraft by selfie” behavior doesn’t work without a villain. If GAE needs a villain… and Putin refuses to provide one… is that why GAE is also trying to provoke China? Hoping that Xi will be the (alternate) villain they need, even if the rational consequence is an unwinnable global war?

By not retaliating or escalating, Russia is emotionally starving GAE leadership. All this one-sided talk about nuclear exchanges could be international diplomacy’s version of “pay attention to me!”

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Gunner Q
2 years ago

No doubt that’s part of it. Of course, for the ZUSA it will just designate Putin (or Xi or Trump or whomever) the villain overreaction or none. The NPCs will accept the programming.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Gunner Q
2 years ago

The neocons are already leaking the breathlessly discovered Defcon 3 secret plans for the invasion of Taiwan.

Gods help us if some moishe is somewhere nearby shtupping a cherry girl

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Mcleod
2 years ago

The US dollar will be the LAST currency to go down the tubes.

The LAST.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
2 years ago

The plan is for a Forever War. The result may be a nuclear war. Anyone looking from the outside at the GAE knows it has gone stark-raving mad. Transgenderism alone illustrates the insanity. Any power at war with the GAE directly or indirectly realizes it is perfectly capable of a nuclear exchange. It is stunningly dangerous and one false move easily could provoke a first strike. The rapid and reckless exit from Afghanistan, in hindsight, indicated the MIC had been told fresh meat was about to become available. The twenty-year revenue stream from fighting goat herders, and losing to them,… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 years ago

I heard there was a sh*t-ton of gold on Mars. And diamonds! The Martians are too primitive to do anything with it, they just leave it laying around…

Plus, Martian chicks are some glass beads and a mat on the sand, know what i’m sayin’?

Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
2 years ago

When Russia fell apart, the CIA probably grabbed some of its “loose nukes” at the time. Each nuke has a special “signature” to its radiation. The CIA could explode one of those on the Ukrainians, blame it on Russia, get the UN inspectors to verify, then retaliate with US nukes. And we’re off.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Jack Boniface
2 years ago

They could build a “Russian” nuke. One secret that many folk don’t know is what happened to the excessive stock piles of plutonium Russia left unsecured after the break up. Well, we bought it.

Boris Yeltsin sold it to the CIA. We were at that time worried about the ability to guard it and keep it off the Black Market. CIA flew gold in, plutonium out. Literally tons of it. 10,000 year life span. In hasn’t gone bad.

Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
Reply to  Compsci
2 years ago

There you go. Thank you for the clarification.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Jack Boniface
2 years ago

Their motivation–and the benefit to them–being … .??

Major Hoople
Major Hoople
Member
2 years ago

At a dinner party on Saturday, host is a decent fellow, but very reliable indicator of regime narratives. Shaking his head, “Putin is just so irrational, I’m very worried.”

I avoid regime media, so this acquaintance is quite valuable to me in this way. Makes me think Z’s analysis today is spot on.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Major Hoople
2 years ago

Your acquaintance is very typical from a lot of the friends I know. If they think Putin is irrational, wait until they see who would replace him if he were removed. From what I hear, Putin is dove-ish compared to other Russian elites.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

So I hear as well. Certainly Putin is admittedly self controlled as compared to just about every ruler we’ve come to know from the USSR and he appears to be free of vices. What comes next may be a return to the norm wrt Russian strong men.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

And the most barking mad Russian Nationalist is sane compared to the Neocons in DC.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Major Hoople
2 years ago

““Putin is just so irrational”
“Compared to who?”

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
2 years ago

Yep. Any American claiming extreme irrationality for another world leader hasn’t paid any attention to what’s been coming out of DC these last few years. Outside of Pyongyang, I doubt any world capitol is more deranged than Washington.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
2 years ago

““Putin is just so irrational”
“Compared to who?”

Keith Olbermann.

Mycale
Mycale
2 years ago

Like so much coming out of the GAE these days, little has made any sense about this war. The things that NATO, the Brandon entity, other leaders, etc. are saying and doing makes zero sense. Most people don’t want this war, they don’t want to freeze/starve to death for a comedian, and they definitely don’t want to get nuked. This crosses political lines, even in the USA (see: AOC getting roasted in her town hall). Obviously the will of the people does not matter, but the fact remains that if the GAE had any sense of realpolitik at all, a… Read more »

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Mycale
2 years ago

The media convinced the country via films and TV. Endless repetition and moral positioning for decades pretending to be entertainment.

They built a dreamworld to hide their actions from those slipping into the unreality.

imbroglio
imbroglio
2 years ago

The building back better scenario seems to make sense though the climate changers might object to the dangers of nuclear fallout. (The weather channel has been calling attention to the precarious state of Antarctic’s “doomsday ice sheet,”) I’ve thought that WW III would be a cyber/satellite/grid crushing war but that presumes that war has conventional objectives. Odd as it may sound, if our ruling class has in mind to be the resident managers of an American satrapy in the coming pan-Asian century, for the U.S. to deplete its resources under the supervision of a China-India-Iran axis (throw in Japan and… Read more »

Mike
Mike
Reply to  imbroglio
2 years ago

I can’t see our elites be willing to play second fiddle to anyone. Theyr’e always scheming to benefit themselves and being a subordinate doesn’t see to be on their wishlist. They seem to regard themselves as ubermensch so serving masters that they likely see as inferior to them isn’t likely. The other races aren’t nearly enlightened enough too.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Mike
2 years ago

Yes, all of this talk about the GAE working to become the junior partner to China or pan-Asia is just barmy, and ill accords with the megalomania that hallmarks the GAE’s elite. These maniacs aren’t ceding power to anybody. They’d rather burn down the world than do that, and they just might.

miforest
Member
Reply to  Mike
2 years ago

don’t be silly. our “elites” already debase themselves for any donor that comes along.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  imbroglio
2 years ago

What dangers of fallout? I agree the Gaia people are nut cases, but in the best example we have of nuke fallout—Chernobyl—we have a rather robust Gaia reaction (if what I read is true). Hell, just getting rid of humans in the area seems to be the ticket. Animals and plants are flourishing.

Now imagine you are one of those self hating environmentalists. Nuke war might just be the answer. Chernobyl for everyone, everywhere. Now that the ticket.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Compsci
2 years ago

The radiation from a power plant and that from weapons are not the same.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
2 years ago

The interesting part of all this is all the fancy U.S. and allied “game-changers” have been of only minimally more effectiveness against standard Russian weapons. The only real force multiplier from the west has been Starlink, that wasn’t even explicitly designed for military purposes. It’s really looking like the Lockheed Martins and Raytheons of the MIC have been selling massively overpriced toys to the government that could be done far cheaper. All this while the Russians are filling the skies with cheap Iranian Doritos and overwhelming Ukrainian defenses. If they don’t come up with a countermeasure soon we’re going to… Read more »

MikeCLT
MikeCLT
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Re cheap drones: As a Russian once said, “quantity has a quality all its own.”

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  MikeCLT
2 years ago

More important, the Russians still have the capacity to build cheap stuff in quantity quickly. The American doctrine tossed that out decades ago. The assumption being that all future wars of import would be over in a few weeks at most, so one would be able to rebuild at leisure after the conflict was won and all we needed was a limited supply of current weapons.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Remember that line in Star Trek “The more they overthink the plumbing, the easier it is to stop up the drain.” this would apply here.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Steve
2 years ago

How would that apply? Z’s playing somewhat loose with the term “drone swarm” in literally meaning a massive sized group of drones engaging a target. In that context, the drones would be simple and single purposed. The general rule of militaries in the past was you deployed with the bare minimum needed for your infantry to survive or, in the modern context, the cheapest you can deploy a weapon system to, both, get a task done, and that you can afford to lose. The analogy makes more sense in the opposite direction towards the carriers. They’re floating hulks of a… Read more »

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Forever Templar
2 years ago

And I say “somewhat lose” because Z’s understanding of what “drone swarm” means was perfectly relevant as little as five years ago, but the technology and theoretical applications have gotten a lot more sophisticated since then. Hell, the practical applications have gotten more sophisticated, too.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Time for a huge CME to set the whole planet back a couple of centuries.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

Eh, if that happened you’re looking at a big trip backwards than a couple of centuries. The world is so dependent on technology and functioning electrical grids a Carrington Event could make 1822 seem like a nigh-unfathomable heaven in comparison.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

The Pentagon’s last two QDRs were full of commentary on the “asymmetrical” implications of drones/UAVs/robots etc. Everyone understands the issue. The problem, of course, is re-architecting your forces to defend against hem and to deploy them properly. This just takes years and years the way the Pentagon does things.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Captain Willard
2 years ago

Some-one, might be The Duran, pointed out that the Uke’s lost a $5 million aircraft shooting down 1 $20k drone.

That’s leverage Lockheed shareholders can get behind.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

Chet, et al, A fee years back I was following a fellow, John Robb, at his website, Global Guerillas. He had a military background, and was live to the disruptive possibilities of drone technology (along with other disruptive trends). Here is a link to one of his posts from back at the end of 2018. In it, after a prophetic preamble concerning what one might anticipate seeing politically, he highlights the daylong shutdown of London’s Gatwick Airport through the use of drones, specifically pointing to the massive ROI for the “attackers” through their tactics. (I would not be too surprised… Read more »

miforest
Member
Reply to  JerseyJeffersonian
2 years ago

A very good quality Armenian army was recently crushed by an Azerbaijan drone based attack . they too used Iranian drones. clearly 50 years of sanctions on iran have not left them helpless.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

Chet-

After 20 years in the MIC I’d say 80 to 90% of every USD spent is consumed by various inefficiencies like red tape, make work, office politics, turnbacks, fraud, and simple waste.

The underperformance and failures of all the systems dumped into Ukraine are no surprise to me. Heck, I’m no mechanical engineer, but after reading about the M777 howitzer I was able to accurately predict the failures that have been reported.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

I can’t help but think of a bit in the book Band of Brothers where the author remarked that with all the graft in the supply chain that it was amazing any supplies reached the frontline troops at all. That was in a fairly high-trust society fighting what was nominally a fight for survival (although, one or both of those wasn’t true).

Mike
Mike
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

I am friends with a Marine F-35 pilot who joined the Reserves after 17 or so years. When he got out defense contractors were lining up to hire him at inflated salaries so he could schmooze the people still in. He isn’t an engineer, in fact his degree I think is in drafting CAD/CAM stuff. He is presentable, friendly and totally useless to a contractor. But in spite of this, he’s making somewhere around 200k a year. His work week consists of Zoom calls, travel to meetings and work from home. I like the guy so I don’t ask what… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Mike
2 years ago

Yep, that’s why I never get any warm and fuzzies when I hear our military budget is greater than the next 10 country’s budgets combined.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Mike
2 years ago

I saw something a while ago that 5 of the 6 richest Counties in the US are contiguous to DC.
The other was Greenwich in CT.- Hedgies.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
2 years ago

The US magic weapons aren’t working.

The sanctions are killing our allies and making Russia stronger.

Mass propaganda hasn’t convinced China, India, or even Israel that Russia is a pariah state.

Nukes are all the US has left. It’s insane; the US loses wars all the time…why does this one have to be the end of the world?

MikeCLT
MikeCLT
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

And one the Russians would have agreed to. It is not much less than they have for asked since 2014.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

There is something at play here beyond the normal greed. It may be so irrational we can’t grok it. I suspect ethnic grievance is driving much of it but that probably is more rational than the actual motive.

Puszczyk
Puszczyk
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

“Independent (from Russia) Ukraine” became an axiom in politics. If you convince yourself that Ukraine is the key to defeat Russia (Brzezinski), temptation becomes very strong. This understanding of geopolitics has been ruling over Vistula for decades now, hence the unconditional support, even at a cost of Polish minority interests. Any compromise means Russia secures its foothold for expansion in Eastern Europe, reflected in current propaganda which is the same as during the Georgian crisis. One could hypothesize that the West dreamt new Barbarossa operation, because chasing Mohammed around the world was no longer a primary concern and taking out… Read more »

Puszczyk
Puszczyk
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Polish equivalent of dissident Right. In Parliament, mostly few MEPs from Konfederacja who are routinely slandered as Putin agents.

In the infosphere we’re grossly outmatched. Media prefer to trumpet how our economy and pension system will benefit from new workers.
Real estate is already under assault as Ukrainians are buying apartments left and right. Wage depression isn’t severe because of still high demand for workers.
Political implications of Ukrainian diaspora are completely absent from the mainstream.

Puszczyk
Puszczyk
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

This is one of the cases where vague understanding of Polish politics causes foreigners to have wrong assumptions about our discourse. I could write in detail in other comment, but for now I will say that most of the conservative realists are outside of the mainstream. I formed in that tradition when going through the dissident web. That’s where thinkers like Joseph de Maistre are being taught.

Puszczyk
Puszczyk
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Prof. Legutko is in the mainstream when it comes to Ukraine. His opinions aren’t hugely different from establishment although I think he gives more thought to the danger of neo-banderism.

You probably know him from his critique of liberalism in “Demon in Democracy”. Legutko is more invested in criticizing western liberals and the EU, but has no interesting concepts for Eastern policy that would break with prevailing consensus. All that is on the fringes, because even postcommunists are on the EU/NATO train.

Puszczyk
Puszczyk
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Anyway, I can explain more in separate thread or by email. Presenting historical context and identity issues are a must to even begin explaining this conundrum of political thinking in my nation especially post 89′.

Steveaz
Steveaz
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Poles are moving out of Poland in droves.

They are thick on the ground in Phoenix and Portland. Generally surfing the IT trades.

pixilated
pixilated
Reply to  Puszczyk
2 years ago

Looked into Madame Swaritzki’s crystal ball this am, and she predicted that Israel will repatriate half it’s citizens to Ukraine within 5 years.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  pixilated
2 years ago

Well, that’d have porential to put paid to the Intermarium movement, having millions of irredentist Neozionists athwart their project for a block of peoples with different interests than those of western Europe/Atlanticists.

This could certainly serve as an explanation for the fanaticism over the Ukraine conflict. It was all going so nicely until that Eevul Russian, Putin shoved a stick into their spokes. And he got their attention when he came to the aid of the Syrians, and beyond that there was a budding rapprochment with the Iranians, too.

Mike
Mike
Reply to  Puszczyk
2 years ago

You’re there so maybe you’ll have an answer for me. Why does Poland care if the Ukraine and Ukrainians exist? With the history of the two peoples, why wouldn’t they be quietly rooting for Russia?

Granted, Russia has been no friend of Poland but the Banderites have done a lot more than Russia ever has when you take into account the numbers. Plus Bandera’s disciples seem to enjoy their work.. With the Soviet Union it seemed to be more of a job, nothing personal just business.

Puszczyk
Puszczyk
Reply to  Mike
2 years ago

Will give more detailed response tomorrow.
Keywords for now: Partitions, Prometheism, Romanticism, anti-communism vs. russophobia, Polish Intelligentsia, Eastern Borderlands.

Puszczyk
Puszczyk
Reply to  Mike
2 years ago

Anti-Russian sentiment emerged strongly ever since Poland disappeared from the map in late XVIII century. Revolutionary movements hated Russia in particular for its highly reactionary political regime and often saw France as their inspiration. Romanticism was a formative period for early Polish nationalism when writers like Adam Mickiewicz and thinkers like Andrzej Towiański infected Polish political thinking with mysticism and quasi-religious thinking.Those ideas influenced insurrectonists who conducted 2 major failed uprisings in XIX century. Hatred between Poles and Russians was often a desired goal of main ideologues behind the uprisings (“even if we lose, reconcilliation won’t be possible!”). Additionally, great… Read more »

Whitney
Member
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

The Western elites think it’s the end of NATO and the GAE if Ukraine doesn’t win because it is impossible for them to comprehend conceding any power. They believe their place is at the top of a unipolar world and any concession and loss of power to Russia is defeat and it is unthinkable. They think it is better to kill yourself then suffer any loss which is why this suicide cult is growing all around us. It is always seemed to me that they would be the first to use nukes, that their pride and desperation would demand it.… Read more »

angelus
angelus
Reply to  Whitney
2 years ago

Well, Biden is a Scorpio so that makes sense..

John Q. Publick
John Q. Publick
Reply to  angelus
2 years ago

I was reading an interesting article the other day about October 1962’s 16-hour Berlin Standoff at Checkpoint Charlie. US and Soviet heavy armor faced each other down at 75 meters near the Brandenburg Gate. What wasn’t known at the time is that the US had deployed PLATOON-LEVEL tactical nukes called “Davy Crocketts” to be used in a first strike! That means a Staff Sergeant could have started WWIII…and it all came about because a US State Department wonk had wanted to go to the opera in East Berlin but the East German police wouldn’t let him in without presenting his… Read more »

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

You see the same thing domestically, no capitulation on even the smallest matters. One solid suspicion is that our rulers think that if there is a “snap back” that it won’t stop, that it wouldn’t be a slight mellowing of ideology but a purge of everything (and everyone) that forced the current ideology in to the world.

It’s not an unreasonable suspicion on their part.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
2 years ago

I share the same suspicion. Is it possible that the media and other outlets have been full of shit for the last 50 years and we just assumed what they told us was popular that we didn’t care for wasn’t really that popular to begin with? The last few years would suggest yes.

Steveaz
Steveaz
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
2 years ago

Robert Mueller, the Colombia School of Journo’s and ‘National Healthcare’ will all be “defenestrated.” The entire media facade RE Global Warming, ‘The War On Women,” and Affirmative Action must be crumpled like cheap cellophane and trashed. There are BILLIONS of dollars mal-invested in these, campaigns, and they all need yo fail. This is horrifying to the peddlars of these scams, because the Piper must be paid. Furthermore, the elites who generate these grafittis made promises to very unscrupulous people fro Asia, Turkey and Iran, who don’t play soft-ball just because you’re a ‘Pelosi,’ or a ‘Kerry,’ or a ‘Clinton.’ Payback… Read more »

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

None of this would have happened if they just enforced the Minsk agreement that France and Germany guaranteed.
Instead they stood by while 14,000 Russians were murdered.

miforest
Member
Reply to  ProZNoV
2 years ago

it won’t . but the CCP has bought our politicians and both parties. they want the west bankrupted , neutered , and demilitarized . look at who benefits from all this craziness. Defend Tiawan? hell , our trans and LBGT military couldn’t defend long island .