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Every human society has a set of rules that define the society and answer the most fundamental question for any human society. You cannot have a society without first answering the question, who are we? History and biology do the heavy lifting for large human societies, while smaller societies, like social clubs, will have some sort of founding document to define the society. Of course, constitutions are not just for small scale societies. Big countries have them too.
The United States has had at least three unifying concepts. Originally, what held America together was a common religion. The founding generation were English people who practiced a common form of Christianity. Subsequently, the country was held together by republican virtue. A civic religion based around the liberal principles in the Bill of Rights. This was replaced in the 20th century with the melting pot idea, where diverse people emerge from the crucible of liberty as one people.
Throughout our history, in every framing of American unity, a set of principles has defined the morality of American society. First and foremost, Americans have the unfettered right to speak their minds, even to those in positions of authority, without fear of retribution. Free speech, the freedom of belief, the freedom to assemble and the freedom to do all of these to petition the government for the redress of grievances is the first principle of American morality.
There are other moral principles enshrined in the Bill of Rights. The right of self-defense, even from the government, is in the Second Amendment. The Fourth Amendments prevents the state from spying on citizens. The Fifth Amendment prevents double jeopardy and compulsory self-incrimination. The things we think of as our rights are enumerated in the Bill of Right, but in practice these are the moral principles we consider to be beyond questioning.
It is those rights in the First Amendment that are the most sacred to Americans, as they are the cornerstone of American morality. The right to believe what you want to believe, say those beliefs out loud and organize fellow believers to promote your beliefs is the encapsulation of the American identity. It is not just how Americans see themselves, but how the rest of the world defines American identity. The rest of the world may not like what we say, but they envy our right to say it.
This is what makes the assaults on Kanye West and Kyrie Irving important. These two are not simply getting jeered by detractors. There is a highly organized effort to destroy their lives and strip from them their most basic right. In the case of Irving, he has been told that he must publicly condemn the movie he promoted and denounce everyone involved in it. This is what the Red Guards did to their victims. They were forced to publicly confess and wear dunce caps in public.
There is also the race issue. Black people in America get a free pass on speech, even when their speech offends common decency. Kanye West promotes himself as a Christian, but he got rich in a business built on peddling vulgarity, violence, drug taking and criminality. Everyone has been forced to use euphemisms in order to discuss crime, because blacks get special treatment. Here we are, however, with two famous black people forced into a humiliation ritual.
What this suggests is the bigots opposed to this core moral tenet, the right to speak freely and without fear of retribution, have removed themselves from what we have always considered the fundamental morality of America. Bigot is the correct word, as a bigot is someone obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices and intolerant of those outside their group. This is the factionalism that the Founders warned was incompatible with a republic.
Kanye West and Kyrie Irving are ridiculous people whose heads are full of nonsense, but these are the people who have always been the proof case. In our society, we tolerate ridiculous people with nonsense in their heads. To paraphrase Jefferson, we try to set them right to the facts. If they remain unpersuaded, we persuade everyone else to ignore them. From time to time, the ridiculous guy spouting nonsense turns out to be right and we are all better for it.
That is unlikely to be the case here, but it is not the point. What this incident reveals is that there is a moral divide. There is no middle ground when it comes to these moral principles that define American civilization. There is no ADL exemption to our moral code that permits this. There is no moral scold clause that permits the SPLC to organize an economic war on Elon Musk. These people have chosen to remove themselves from our common morality.
The moral separation is at the very heart of American identity. The Declaration of Independence is a moral document that spells out how the colonies and Great Britain no longer shared the same moral space. Because the colonies had evolved a new moral code that was different from that of the mother country, it was necessary that the colonies break free from the mother country. Two people who lack a common more code must separate from one another.
What normal Americans now face is the dilemma imagined by Hans Hermann-Hoppe when thinking through the challenges of a libertarian society. Hoppe has tried to address a well known contradiction in libertarian theory. How can a libertarian society deal with people who embrace socialism or monarchism? If your principles prevent the use of coercion, what do you do when members of a libertarian society embrace something contrary to libertarianism?
The starting place of every human society is that set of moral principles that answers the most fundament question for every human society, who are we? What must be done when a segment of society decides they are no longer us? This is what the bigots are presenting to the rest of us. They refuse to uphold our morality, the thing that defines us as a people, so they are in effect making war on us. How should we defend ourselves from this assault on our very nature?
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America isn’t the land of the free and home of the brave. Americans are a conquered people so it isn’t surprising that they no longer have the basic freedoms. A conquered people are at the whim of the tribe who conquered them. In this situation the new masters despise the populace.
@benthelayabout
What skilled crafts? Usury, pornography, general skulldugerring shit-fuckery?
Just had fun. Howard Stern went negative on Hershal. I put a comment on the article “Howard Stern is beneath contempt. Another Jewish liberal”. It was rejected. I erased “Another Jewish liberal” and it was published. I entered another comment “Howard Stern’s parents were Jewish” and it was published. I entered another comment “Howard Stern is a liberal”, and it, too was published. Kanye had a valid point!
Obviously, separation is the answer to Hoppe’s dilemma that libertarians would prefer. But what do you do when the others refuse to leave or let you go?
(I haven’t read the other comments yet — or any of Hoppe’s writings on the issue — so I apologize if this has already been addressed.)
I don’t grasp how this “peaceful separation” is supposed to work. Let’s say, for example, that there is an agreement for California to leave the Union. The plan is that they will have border guards, print their own currency and postage stamps, their own Olympic team, their own representative at the UN, and all that independent-sovereign-state stuff. All US military bases in California would be closed, all US military equipment removed, and the land turned over to the Dear Leader Gavin Newsom. In two days there would be Chinese bombers with nukes on board lined up on the tarmac at… Read more »
Elsewhere: “NPR just broadcast an abortion live on air.”
Glenn Beck did that once — well, almost. After the buildup, what came on was Al Franken-Stein on ‘Air America’, an abortion in its way, and hilarious.
How? In my view, the only realistic way is to consider it a war on our posterity and kill the attackers. If we value our children and the kind of society we want to bequeath them, we must. If history shows another way, I am ignorant of it.
NPR took a “Biden” speech live?
Fortunately, I’m not a lawyer, but if I couldn’t play basketball because of something I said it seems to me the team owner has violated my civil rights, and a lawsuit is in order?
The law is what a judge says it is, nothing more nor less.
What judge is going to upend the last 50 years of muzzled speech and suffer the same systematic attack against themselves, their family and their own position?
No such judge exists I would wager.
Google “Is BDS Constitutional?” An NPC in a black robe would produce the same result.
Nice interview on the CWM podcast. It is interesting that the only 2 southern presidents were southern. I would argue that Clinton was not Southern by virtue that he is a Harvard guy whose entire entourage and power base was Northeastern. Then there is his carpet bagging wife who is pure Northeastern.
So, it is even worse. After 1880 or so, they managed a gooberish peanut farmer.
I disagree with the entire premise that there were only two Southern presidents since the Civil War. Wilson certainly was Southern although he migrated to New Jersey and became a national figure there. As a boy he watched Jefferson Davis dragged in chains through his hometown in Georgia. I also would argue Truman was as well since, from memory, he had family in the Confederate Army and Missouri is a textbook border state, a blend of the South and the Midwest. That aside, the general point does stand. The South contains by far the largest population of any region and… Read more »
Andrew Johnson was a Southerner-a Yankee collaborator from Tennessee.
Lyndon Johnson was a Southerner-a carpetbagging piece of shit from Texas who unleashed Negroes on White Southerners, but a Southerner nonetheless.
What is remarkable is that there has not been a Southern US President who has stood up for Southern rights since Zachary Taylor in 1849.
Unless you count Jefferson Davis.
Yep, those two fine specimens as well, and if you use the Census Bureau definition of South, you have to include “Biden.” As a native Southerner I rejected that definition even before that tyrannical piece of trash became “president.”
Wilson? He was a progressive’s progressive.
It is interesting that the only 2 southern presidents were southern.
Fascinating, even.
I still can’t get over it…
[…] The Moral Divide […]
We can begin Sir Z by recognizing that The Bill of Rights are Amendments, not the Core Governing Document, and that who has what powers in government does matter. To make a practical suggestion we can restore Constitutional government namely Articles I Congress and II the Presidency, the Congress can go back to making, unmaking and controlling laws relieving the Bureaucracy of this burden, and the President can fire and hire Civil Servants. The Courts can go back to being the last and exceptional ditch instead of the primary indeed sole means of petition and redress for abusive laws passed… Read more »
From Taki:
Then there is the paranoia that has been a feature of Jewish identity [since]…
—I think you could use glacial ice cores to see how far back that goes.
If you’re looking for help on interpreting that data, (((Michael Mann))) is a possible resource.
Zman,
Love your stuff. But your treatment of this topic, especially in the Taki post, is extremely weak. Oh, this is “just” happening “now”?? You cannot be serious. We have been in this state of affairs for about 50 years at least. Come on man. If you can’t address this point honestly, most of your stuff becomes suspect.
Although I did appreciate the basketball history lesson.
Cheers.
Perhap you missed this paragraph:
“Then there is the changing nature of America. In the 20th century, the country was close to 90 percent white. Championing blacks was a way for Jews to raise their status in a moral society without having to abandon their Jewish identity. This worked when whites had no concern for their own ethnic interests. In a majority-minority society where everyone has ethnic interests, this strategy is counterproductive.”
Hrrrmmmmmmmm. The right to think what we want, and organize others to share in our beliefs… That is the problem in a nutshell, perhaps? Let us give the devil his due: The guys cancelling Kanye and that other one are palm rubbing happy merchants with funny hats and big noses. They are saying what they believe, they are encouraging others to accept it and act on it, and they are very, very organized, and excellent at marketing their views to others. They are so good at it, I myself used to stand with Isreal before I got corrupted by the… Read more »
Yes. Our top priority is organizing our people. However, as I think David Cole said, they have unleashed their black Gollum and they may not be able to get it back under control. If we organize ourselves and stand up in ourselves and most importantly find the means to get our youth to stand up in themselves, in a mature, sober (think not Nick Fuentes), then we will be able to assert ourselves effectively in the midst of money grubbing pseudo intellectuals whose lies and trickery will be their undoing and a group of people with a blood libel who… Read more »
No. Emphatically. You turn your back on those guys, and they will put a knife in it. Yes, we must improve ourselves and steel ourselves for what is coming… but it is imperative that we see it coming and plan for it. Parallel economies and cultures mean a huge loss of profit for the guys rigging the mainstream market – that is why, historically – they crush them and the people that participate in them. You will not be allowed to walk away when this runs its inevitable course. You will accept your place in their new culture, or they… Read more »
If we were smart we’d be driving the wedge between the jews and blacks for all we’re worth
Better yet, we should pit Israelis against American Jews
The Stalin strategy is the right strategy. It was somewhat employed by Trump.
“and old world heritage Americans that don’t see colour.”
Here is my workaround for this. I always say, It is actually true that I don’t see color, but OTOH I very much DO see culture. And when a particular, readily identifiable, utterly poisonous culture is linked overwhelmingly to a particular color (or nose size), then by sheer force of the associative property I am compelled to see color as well, under certain circumstances.
Blacks typically are all the wedge that’s needed at least in terms of real-world lessons about why it’s best to stay far from them. Surely not representative of all Jewry*, but say what you will about the Hasidim in Washington Heights NYC. They are some tough SOBs holding on to their community as the surrounding went to shit.
*They take Judaism a bit too seriously, even by other Jews’ standards.
I’m very close to a free speech absolutist, yet I think some speech is so depraved it should be prohibited. That’s obviously a fine needle to thread. There are some kinds of speech prohibited in the US, sedition and yelling Fire! in a crowded theater, off the top of my head. So, speech that directly threatens public or political order. Fair enough. Why, though, no prohibition on speech that threatens the cultural or moral order? Do we, as a society, not consider culture and morality essential to an ordered society? In other words, was America dissolute and multicultural by design?… Read more »
Free speech is a weapon to undermine the existing order. The whole notion was implanted in you for that purpose. The west never had free speech, it just had speech parameters that outside media promotion most whites were comfortable with.
Recent history is demonstrating to those willing to let go of the tool that undermined their own society that control of the parameters of public speech is what makes public society.
I’m an American, so I’m jealous of my right to think and speak as I see fit. That doesn’t mean I want freedom from consequences. Culture, morality, tradition, etc., should set and enforce the limits in most cases, and the law shouldn’t be much more than a last resort. Americans, at least, haven’t completed the work on that front, so we wrote down and exalted the Constitution, and what society we have left is dominated by lawyers and money men. The people clinging to the written Constitution are clinging to a tree in a tornado. We wanted private life but… Read more »
Your position seems somewhat self contradictory to me.
The punishment aspect culturally and legally is the very thing that maintains boundaries of expression (as we see now).
Trying to maintain that you can have both freedom to speak and be OK with punishment for such speech seems a position that negates itself.
Free speech means something different to Americans than the legal/philosophical idea. Culture is beholden to the law, so we get the latter. I’m arguing it should be the other way around.
Culture enforces itself for survival, the law is an ass.
@painter we are agreeing sort of. When you have control of the culture then the law interpretation is aligned with your culture and there is little conflict and not that much use for it apart from punishing the outliers to your culture. As it should be, but it is largely invisible to most people even though it is strongly used to maintain public decency and was used repeatedly in the US against anarchism and pornography prior to WW1. As the control of the culture moved, the idea of an absolute free speech was injected by these forces into the culture… Read more »
I’m not disagreeing with that. I think America would be a much stronger nation if we’d continued on the traditional route instead of embracing an Enlightenment fad. The reason we’ve ended up with a foreign elite without conquering armies is because, as far as the system is concerned, the contract is the basis for the nation. Laws don’t make a nation or a culture. When I say I’m nearly absolutist about free speech, I mean that in the context of my culture. Whether or not I’m aware of it, the culture is the limiting factor, not lawyers’ opinions. My argument… Read more »
“Free Speech,” as that term is widely understood today is a thoroughly modern invention. Worse, “Free Speech,” has been subtly changed to “Free Expression” which is even more expansive than that fake “Free Speech” concept. Any concept or so-called “right” which forces you to stand by while degenerates load up the school library with pornography and instructional books on degeneracy aimed at 8 year olds is an evil concept which should be smashed, not defended. Even worse, is none of this libertine stuff ever applies to regular people. We have de facto hate-speech laws in the US. Ramzpaul was lecturing… Read more »
I narrowly escaped this fate myself, I was looking at 5 years for basically sending a text message that a brown fella did not like. He took that message sent as a joke and twisted it up into something menacing because he was very savvy about what are the ‘right words’ to say in liberal hellholes when its a black vs. white issue. “Felt afraid for my life”, “threatening & intimidating”, etc. Recall, I never spoke an unkind word to this guy though he deserved plenty. This was all on the strength of ONE text message. And that earned me… Read more »
I was skimming through this poast, and I got to thinking to muhself, “my goodness, this sounds just like JNDC’s situation”.
So I scrolled back up, and sure enough, there he was.
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Muh bro.
“…some kinds of speech prohibited in the US, sedition and yelling Fire! in a crowded theater, off the top of my head.”
That’s a bit of an old saw. From what I understand, you can certainly yell “fire”, but you can not escape punishment for such an action (assuming no fire). Here’s where we begin to discuss prior restraint.
I think that’s where we need to begin discussion. Say what you like, but suffer the consequences (societal/legal) for saying things “beyond the pale”.
I agree agree about facing consequences. Prohibition and constraint are different. You can also murder someone and face the consequences.
Free speech does not exist here anymore. Why would someone exercise free speech when they will be fired from their job, have their property confiscated and their bank accounts frozen? That is not free speech. The word “free” implies you are free from retribution or consequence for expressing your opinion. Also, like our esteemed host often points out, it is not what is said when it comes to speech, it is WHO gets to say it. If you are a white Christian who says that black crime is an issue, your life is destroyed. If you are a black pundit… Read more »
@paintersforms
How about absolute free speech unless is proven to be untrue? Eg anal marriage is a net possitive for society
I think all of us would end up in trouble at some point in that case 😆
Cherry picking a bit from other comments: Inalienable rights granted by God such as: freedom of speech, religion, association, unlawful search and seizure. These replaced with commands from an opaque government god / goddess with what is both illogical and oxy-moronic for: restorative justice, repressive tolerance, gay marriage, dysphoric genderism, saint Floyd(s), etc? As ZMan says: “They refuse to uphold our morality, the thing that defines us as a people, so they are in effect making war on us. How should we defend ourselves from this assault on our very nature”? Well, in just a few short days Red Wave… Read more »
“Well, in just a few short days Red Wave Inc. will arise in our defense to repel the assault, whereupon truth, justice, and the American way will be restored. Are you as thankful as I am?” Congratulations for not paying attention the umpteen previous times a Red Wave occurred at the ballot box — only to result in the triumphant GOP selling out their own base in more ways than one can keep track of. Just because Republicans don’t demonize you to nearly the extent that Democrats do does not mean that the GOP is on your side. Both parties… Read more »
Highly sarcastic.
Thus the danger of not stating it explicitly. I’d have thought most readers of this blog would get it. Live and learn. Not sarcastic.
You’re right. I should have known better. Peace!
Looks like Toma has changed his name for the “upteenth” time.. do the moderators here keep track of IP addresses?
The last bit was sarcasm, right? I just need to know before I pick which face to click.
That’s how I read it.
Ref comment to wkathman, the click whatever face you think best.
>What must be done when a segment of society decides they are no longer us? Physical removal. There is no alternative. But the question begs another: this segment was never us, was never going to be us, and played us for fools while we believed otherwise. The segment in question should never have been allowed to poison our society with their presence in the first place. It turns out that the new boss is not the same as the old boss. But putting that aside: we won’t get fooled again. If we have to place gargoyles back in every public… Read more »
“The segment in question should never have been allowed to poison our society with their presence in the first place.”
That is the real lesson in all this.
We will still have problems (the human condition and all that…), but at least we won’t have to deal with their shenanigans and machinations. That is the greatest gift we could give to our own posterity now: “never again.”
Let the “segment in question” live, flourish, and die in their own nation, and not in our nations. They can never again blame us, and we can never again blame them.
quote from Blade Runner “then we’re stupid and we’ll die”. nuff said.
OTOH I base my group prejudices on my personal interactions with said group, if interacting with them gives rise to fear, frustration or rage, I tend to avoid those groups although individuals within said groups may be pleasant enough, it’s that old ROI question, if most of my interactions with them are bad, it profits me to cut them loose and avoid all future contact.
My other comment was more about Jews as a people. As to what’s to be done, the simple and obvious answer is separation. But Jews will never allow us to peacefully separate. They desperately need whites, both as skilled helots and because of their strange need to have the moral approval over whom they rule. They can’t let us go economically or emotionally. But Jews are a funny master. In some ways, they’re all-powerful. In other ways, they’re a paper tiger. The key to their power is that other groups don’t have their own communities and institutions. Jews control other… Read more »
in other words, no Jews allowed? but but but that’s racist!
It works for the Japanese and Chinese.
Jews have been trying to get their hooks into the Japanese for 50 years, but the Japs won’t let them. Same now with the Chinese.
However, Jews do have a lot of control over the dollar and thus international banking. The Japanese and Chinese know this, but keep autonomy by keeping control of their own banks.
Keeping Jews out of your society is the best answer. A bit late for that now in the US. Ours will be a tougher road.
Their complete lack of introspection may have evolved as a survival mechanism as an out-of-power minority, but when holding actual power it is a fatal flaw rather than a benefit. “What’s good for the Jews?” leads to “Whatever is bad for Whites”, but they’re unable to look in the mirror to see that whatever they’re cooking up probably isn’t all that great for Jews either.
Yeah, their fatal flaw is not recognizing how their behavior to get on top causes them to get overthrown. They can’t shift gears.
Your comment is especially tanalizing for one like me who has read [too much] Nietzsche. I’ll skip the philosophy lesson, but cover the basics. Nietzsche lectures at length about what he terms master or slave morality. The latter is a response, a defense mechanism if you like, against being an oppressed powerless class. I don’t think N. uses the term, but Z often speaks of the American Negro as having a negative identity: “Negative” in the sense that Black identity cannot exist on its own but must have the perceived White dominant power as its foil. A similar analogy might… Read more »
Historically (at least in the past few centuries, in Europe) the Jews were not necessarily the wanderers, but they were almost always a parallel society in nations of their hosts. Due to their insular customs, they often had skills highly in demand by the Gentiles (money lender, judge, skilled crafts, etc.) In very modern times many Jews secularized to some degree. That meant moving to big cities, becoming highly educated and often ending up in important government, education and business posts. I’m by no means saying that Jews never secretly conspire against their hosts, but I think it’s more an… Read more »
@benthelayabout
What skilled crafts? Usury, pornography, general skulldugerring shit-fuckery?
Only the Joseph thing is a complete myth of victim hood and in reality the jews were not slaves, but were the Hyksos who infiltrated Egypt and seized the northern part of the country leading to a takeover and the hyksos kings of northern Egypt for 100 years until the Ahmose 1 finally kicked them out using force in an exodus and exiled out of
egypt to judea..
So even then they founded their identity on a fake victim narrative when they had taken over and seized power.
The exodus was just an expulsion of an occupying force.
Those demonizing and punishing West and Irving are overplaying their hand. All their excessive kvetching ends up raising a lot of suspicions about the ethnic group at the center of these controversies. When West says that a certain demographic is responsible for “cancel culture” and he ends up getting canceled for saying that, more than a few normies are bound to wonder if maybe he was on to something. If I was advising the demographic involved in these controversies, I would tell them that, for their own sake, they should chill out and rein in the ceaseless condemnations. But too… Read more »
Overplaying their hand?
Who’s going to stop the ADL or the SPLC?
The “Red Wave”?
Despair is a sin, but I don’t see any meaningful pushback on the horizon.
The fact that the ADL and SPLC can’t be stopped constitutes one more reason why suspicions toward a certain ethnic group will increase. That those organizations have become America’s most prominent foes of free speech could be a feather in our cap if we play it right. Before “meaningful pushback” can happen, sufficient awareness of the problem will have to occur. Such awareness may not occur as quickly as folks like you and I prefer, yet, rest assured that eyes are being opened. Will it happen too late? Maybe. But we don’t know that yet.
The free speech-destroying power of the ADL and SPLC creates a lot of angst that dissidents can turn to their own advantage if they play it right. “Meaningful pushback” requires sufficient awareness of the problem. Just because that awareness is not happening as fast as you and I might like does not mean that it is not happening at all. There’s a lot of eye-opening stuff going on right now. Even a lot of normies are liable to catch on despite themselves.
“When West says that a certain demographic is responsible for “cancel culture” and he ends up getting canceled for saying that, more than a few normies are bound to wonder if maybe he was on to something.” Those who have read my posts will know that I *never* speak on the “Jewish” question. I’m skeptical to say the least. However, today’s posting and the references made have me rethinking my naivety. When Blacks of such standing (crazy as they are) can be taken to the woodshed and coerced in such a manner, one has to be brain dead to not… Read more »
There is much to respect and even admire about the Jews. They have made great contributions in the vast majority of intellectual and artistic fields. What’s more, from a strictly aesthetic standpoint, they appear to be a part of us, a distinct white ethnicity not unlike the Irish or the Dutch. And for the longest time, I allowed the above to define my disposition toward them. Alas, begrudgingly, I’ve come to the conclusion that despite their appearance and their many accomplishments, they are not our people, and indeed, seek to dominate us and to subvert utterly our civilization. What’s more,… Read more »
They boil off their majority of “normals”, who are absorbed into the broader population, becoming indistinguishable in a broader regional ethnicity– european, arab, turkic, etc. This leaves a distilled core of focused traits, tendencies, and talents. Those are the dedicated zealots, driven with religious meaning, filled with righteous mission. I’d say this mechanism can be applied to all demographics. Some adaptations are more successful in their environment, reinforcing the distillation cycle, creating uniquely distinguishable sub-groups. The driven, whether political gangsters, missionary preachers, song-writing musicians, or muscle car mechanics. Thus the Zman’s indifference- he sees not just bad j**s, but bad… Read more »
PS- I also must agree with Ostei’s conclusion, that some cannot be allowed.
They are distinct and alien enough that they will try to conquer territory for their own.
All Nature knows this. The birds the live by this law. The red wolves respect the territory of the grey wolves.
I was raised to believe we (Jews) are white. That this is a no-brainer and that saying anything otherwise was antisemitic. The only difference between us and an anglo gentile was religion. I have very anglo looking features. Light skin, blue eyes, etc. Few Jews live in my city and no one suspects I am Jewish. Everyone perceives me as white, the whitest of the whites. This has all the more had me walking around thinking I am a white person that happens to be (non-practicing) Jewish. My original genetic report from 23andme didn’t make me think any different. It… Read more »
It is often the last redpill taken and that is understandable, Compsci. Most people who are really intense on the subject come off as psychopathic monomaniacs and some are. As always there are exceptions to the rule and many interactions tend to run undermine the generality.
Still, the claims as often as not are true.
Try typing J** here and it goes into moderation. Does another ethnicity get the same treatment? When the dam breaks the flood will be unstoppable.
If I may be excused for cracking wise a bit, God bless Ron Unz, Righteous among the Jews. You will see what I mean. A piece appeared at Unz Review that I link here: https://www.unz.com/article/revealed-the-former-israeli-spies-working-in-top-jobs-at-google-facebook-and-microsoft/ Here is the opening paragraph from this post: “A MintPress study has found that hundreds of former agents of the notorious Israeli spying organization, Unit 8200, have attained positions of influence in many of the world’s biggest tech companies, including Google, Facebook, Microsoft and Amazon.” The penetration of these sorts into the fundamental workings of these Internet/Social Media giants is stunning. I thought it was bad,… Read more »
Back in the 90s the ADL was caught spying on US citizens for Israel and S. Africa. They had to pay a fine. That’s it. They weren’t forced to disband or register as foreign agents under FARA. I guess that’s where the blackmail comes in.
Jeffrey Epstein was not available for comment.
While everyone keeps saying that Jews are overreacting, I’d disagree in a sense. Jews’ paranoia and overreaction is one of the reasons that they’ve gained the power that they have. It’s who they are. They could no more react in a sensible, controlled way than blacks could come to dominate physics. Over the years, I’ve noticed that Jews’ extremely high level of success wasn’t about some IQ advantage (which is small and more than overcome by our numbers) but because of personality traits. Jews are just more intense than whites. Jews are generally far more neurotic than whites. They also… Read more »
On the other hand, hibitual Jewish overreaching quite possibly accounts for myriad pogroms, expulsions and persecutions of Jews over the millennia. They provoke their own destruction. But the fact that they keep doing it suggests that, indeed, Jews just cannot help themselves anymore than nuggras can resist criminal behavior in pursuit of shiny objects or a fat booty.
I think that’s true, Ostei. They suffer from even more impulsivity and destructive behavior than other elements of the Left. In fact, along with blacks they require Whites to exist. It is pretty well agree throughout the Middle East that once the United States goes, Israel goes. Based on what we see here it is difficult to disagree.
That’s why they’ve been accommodating China, over US objections, passing along sensitive military tech, giving them the running of the port of Haifa, etc.
The Chinese are extremely aware of Jews and their power. They won’t let them infiltrate their society.
Another element of their success is having a loose attachment to the truth when it comes to argumentation, i.e. sophistry. Honest people tend to screw themselves over because there’s a limit to how much they can bend the truth before they become uncomfortable and start giving off “Look at me! I’m lying!” body language. It’s the difference between marching into that job interview, looking the hiring manager right in the eyes, shaking his hand, and declaring that you have over twenty years of experience as a database manager….versus a floor-staring quietly mumbled admission that you spent the last twenty years… Read more »
This tunnel vision is the heart the problem with the modern system.
Umbrella corporations cannot control their greed. Kingdoms then, and now, governments, are being eaten up by the multinational profit motive.
John Rockefeller’s creation, the modern, unlimited corporate structure, is a machine out of control with no off switch.
(Sorry, addendum- note that the crypto-Rockefeller father Nathan came from France, nee Turkey, nee Spain, already immensely wealthy, and no one knew where the family money had come from.)
“The United States has had at least three unifying concepts. Originally, what held America together was a common religion. The founding generation were English people who practiced a common form of Christianity.” With respect to our learned host, I’m not sure this is correct. We had Puritans and Congregationalists in MA, Baptists who moved to CT, Anglicans and Presbyterians in VA and the Carolinas, Catholics who found refuge in Maryland and Quakers in PA and all kinds of other Protestants mixed in. These were hardly folks with a common religion. They tolerated each other just enough and there was enough… Read more »
Only a subset of whites finds limited government and freedom of speech worthwhile. Almost no one else in the world finds any value in these ideas.
People must not assume that concepts by themselves have any power to impose themselves on our world. If there is insufficient muscle behind a concept then it may as well not exist at all.
However, the overwhelming majority of white Americans think natural rights are important. The French or Swedes may have other ideas, and that is fine, but here we think individual liberty is critical.
As Calvin Coolidge pointed out all liberty is personal.
I used to believe that but I think the general response to covid makes it impossible to support that assertion. How important could natural rights be to that same overwhelming majority of White Americans who abandoned their most fundamental individual liberties without even having to be starved or jack-booted very much. Fear is the great motivator in a faithless and exceedingly effeminate nation not ideological fealty to constitutional abstractions that are openly despised by very people sworn to see them upheld. The lesson for the dissident observer that seeks to sway hearts and minds seems plain enough.
I first thought as you did, Willard. However, then I thought of alternative religions such as Islam, Buddism, Zen, etc. even Judaism. The commonalities among the various sect’s of Christianity–including Catholicism are nothing compared to such massive differences. I think Z-man’s statement holds well in this light.
Agreed. I guess my point was that the long-standing history of tolerance of minor differences developed the precedent in modern Americans for assimilation and toleration of massive differences. We see now that this was a mistake – boiling pot, frog etc.
At the Founding the US was overwhelmingly British (> 80%) and Protestant (~98%). I believe the small number of British Roman Catholics at the time had more in common — in terms of their familiarity w/ British Common Law, high levels of literacy, etc — w/ their fellow Brits, than either Protestant or RC had w/ some of the later immigrant groups.
My son is thinking about colleges and I’m pushing Hillsdale in Michigan.
The school was founded by abolitionist protestants in the 19th century.
I’m torn, however: the school has a very large traditional Catholic enclave and I don’t think the school needs any more, which infortunately includes young Noname.
As with the melting-pot, how much “Catholic” can you add to the Protestant American stew without ruining its essential character?
I was at Hillsdale and have no complaints in the main. However, it may not be a match if you are a reader/follower of Z-man. Hillsdale is hopelessly CivNat. Catholic is not the issue in my opinion. They are CivNat, non-race realist and stuck in the 50/60’s. I love their Western Civ emphasis. Their student body comes from wealth, as much as any Ivy League. Good connections to be made there. Lots of “Conservative” folk send their children there as an alternative to the cesspool Leftist colleges, however their children are being geared to take their place in public service,… Read more »
Maybe its a curse and a blessing that I attended public school in the 1980s and 90s. Yes, there were some rumblings about multiculturalism and political correctness, but these were mostly dismissed as rhetorical flourish by the far-left. History lessons placed immigrants in the proper context as people who came to a country created by British settlers. Historical figures were not caricatured villains that at every opportunity wanted to kill American Indians or send more brown people to a plantation. There was nuance and complexity to these men, not new perspectives that read like a children’s book, casting the characters… Read more »
He who controls the present, controls the past. He who controls the past controls the future.
Addition. That’s an Orwell quote. I’m not merely that smart.
The regime pretends that speech must be limited to protect the hurt feelings of blacks, homosexuals, etc., but what they really want/need is the power to censor criticism of the regime. The Ye kerfuffle started with his stupid “White Lives Matter” t-shirt, which upset blacks and liberals, but when the regime attempted to reign him in he switched to criticizing the regime, a huge own goal on their part. This is why they have gone “death con 3” on him. Similarly, a random black ranting in the street that “blacks are the real jews” can be ignored, whereas a multimillion… Read more »
It’s always a “twofer”. You get rid of a big, notorious critic, and such sets an example for many future critics.
They well understand (given that is the game they use themselves) that toleration of a thing leads to its expansion.
If they tolerate it, it will spread and the holy hoax is next in line for discussion, removing the ace they play at every tied game.
Then you are just some other group among the other groups.
Mencken said free speech always has to be defended at the point of the worst cases. Nobody tries to censor cooking recipes.
Same with judging laws. Always assume the worse application of such. I remember when they passed the RICO act. Every legislator got on the band wagon and said we needed it to fight drug kingpins–especially asset forfeiture. Now what do we read about daily? We read about some odd old White guy who deals in cash having his money taken at a check point or traffic stop without being charge with a crime.
The primary speech that has to be defended is what is denoted as “hate speech.” While there is an increasing tendency to enforce narratives through suppression, that is a recent trend.
And guess who pushes for “hate speech” laws everywhere they get in.
That we have been taught to worship these creatures, to accept their values and place them above our own.
It is so galling.
Great essay! Z, you’ve done a brilliant job of succinctly stating our moral position. Of course, the erosion of our traditional moral values is nothing new. As Z has pointed out previously, the ‘civil rights laws’ of the 1960s did away with our freedom of association. And ‘gun control’ laws have certainly infringed on our Second Amendment rights. The authoritarian response to the ‘Unite the Right’ rally in Charlottesville demonstrated that our freedom of assembly no longer exists. And ‘hate speech laws’ threaten to eliminate our freedom of speech. Regarding the question of what to do: on one level, this… Read more »
“As was shown in the Supreme Court decision ‘discovering’ a ‘constitutional right’ to homosexual marriage…”
I believe it was worse than that. The SCOTUS (IIRC) universalized gay marriage under the 14th Amendment (?) because of the number of States that had legalized GM by that time. What’s the difference? Well, that can mean in the future if enough States back some crazy “right”, it can be forced upon the rest of the States. But I may be off here.
Yes, I believe you’ve got your facts wrong: my recollection is that, prior to the Supreme Court decision ratifying homosexual marriage, there had been 32 State referendums on the question, *all of which had voted ‘No’.
Then the state of Maine, in a second or third attempt, finally voted ‘Yes’: the first State to do so.
Shortly there after— despite a clear consensus among the states that they did not want homosexual marriage— the will of the States that was standing— the Supremes made it law.
Of course they will say that the country is no longer what it was and that diversity is the new reality, the new morality, and anyone disagreeing with that is the bigot. In effect they are treating the constitution as de facto out of date. Whether a country can or should remain what it was historically is an interesting question. It’s certainly horrible for those who see their values being trodden in the mud by Johnny-come-latelys. What’s the word for those who are alienated from their own country? I am one. I live in exile because I can no longer… Read more »
> What’s the word for those who are alienated from their own country?
At a large enough mass, a conquered people. History is full of peoples who had their heritage stripped from them and forced to follow laws that only benefit their foreign rulers.
By the time the current mess is over, there will be plenty of white cultures that are completely wiped out.
If the white people who make this country function permit it…But at least in the South and Southwest, they won’t…And as the energy crunch intensifies, and the Build Back Better hoodlums continue to sabotage agriculture and food production as well as energy production, the conflict will become more and more openly explosive….
You sound like an American.
Well, I am in London and I know that I am in a minority. Both race and attitude.
Some geezer told me today that he had to leave our meeting as he had to get his coof booster. FFS, still shitting his pants after nearly 3 years!
The country is no longer what it was because it’s no longer the country. America is no longer America, and I imagine the UK is no longer the UK. Both have been destroyed and replaced by something worse. Much, much worse.
A nation certainly can, if its people have the will, if their culture has the required social capital. Japan and Korea, for example, aren’t going anywhere. Turks know exactly who they are, where they came from, and what their place in the world is. Nobody is colonizing and replacing them, and no one is even willing to try. Now, if we are talking about specific cases, closer to home, then there is much less reason for optimism. Ameri-Kwa has been on borrowed time since 1860. Lyndon Johnson, with considerable assistance from civnats and the rest of the usual suspects, drove… Read more »
“There is no middle ground when it comes to these moral principles that define American civilization.” There is if you except the Third Founding, i.e. the Melting Pot/Ellis Island influx remaking American morality (after the second founding at Gettysburg.) There’s a carveout/exception to the right of free speech made on the grounds that minorities—if subjected to hateful speech—might become victims of pogroms, genocides (or to paraphrase our corpse president) end up back in chains. It’s ridiculous to claim that rich black morons insulting rich Jewish sociopaths is going to lead to another holocaust or the revival of the Transatlantic slave… Read more »
Repressive tolerance was always nonsense, even by the standards of nonsense. It is why Marcuse is an inflection point. That is where the sharp down turn in American intellectual life became obvious. All of the concerns about minority rights were addressed a century or more earlier, but the intellectual class that rose up in the middle of the last century was ignorant of this part of the liberal tradition or hostile to it. Compensation without limit quickly devolves into a blood feud. The limits on compensation are time and place. If I break your window, I can be forced to… Read more »
Hey, according to some old family records, your great-grandfather broke my great-grandfather’s window, so now you owe me for it.
No, more than that, someone who looked vaguely similar to your great-grandfather broke my great-grandfather’s window so now everyone who looks like you has to pay me.
It’s the cultural version of debt bondage.
Somewhere in Pakistan, a four-year old is working in a brickyard because his great-great grandfather eight generations ago got a loan from the brickyard owner’s great-great grandfather.
Fully agree. Of course, that’s why the progressives came up with the vague and poorly defined notions of “systemic racism”, “institutional racism”, “White privilege”, “implicit bias”, etc.: the sweeping and all-inclusive claims that “racism” and “White privilege” are so deeply embedded in White society, that “people of color” and other “minorities” are still being invisibly harmed by them. The claim that all White people possess “implicit bias” means that even if you aren’t a racist, you’re still a racist The replacement of equality of opportunity with “equity”— equality of outcome: an impossible result, one which can never be achieved— assures… Read more »
How anyone can read the Bible and not see it as the political propaganda it is. That was the key insight for me; what seemed unintelligible gibberish now makes perfect sense. Look at the results. People organize- the entire thrust of the book. I do wish they’d stop trying to be the “new jews”, or the “real jews”, or whatever- that is, somebody else, who wrote that story for themselves. We have abandoned our own great and astonishing story for a far lesser history. We are giants trying to become gnats. Cosmic? These second-rate aborigines wouldn’t know cosmic if it… Read more »
Why would anyone downvote this? This is 100% truth. It is exactly why those terms are used and defined as they are. There is no way to quantify how much atonement should be made for slavery. Blacks have a race card with no expiration date and no credit limit. Also, when you invent something that doesn’t really exist, it is inherently impossible to measure.
“Prove that you do not have implicit bias”. “Prove you don’t have white privilege”.
It cannot be done. This is why those terms were created. It is by design and it is quite clever.
Proving a negative is almost impossible, and always difficult. I try to avoid such in argument.
They neatly elide the truth.
The system rewards hard work and competence
White people practice hard work and competence
White people get rewarded by the system
therefore the system is racist.
Paragraph 6 has a couple of errors that are not representative of your usual quality. With the Stephen Miller ad, it is clear that we are now at an inflection point. For a century of the idea and the attempt to implement restorative justice has failed. At failure, its advocates show no contrition. They double down on the blame and moral condemnation and even increase the number of programs. What does that tell us? It tells us that we are not dealing with people who are acting in good faith. Worse, the new program to teach my 7 year old… Read more »
Amen!
A big part of our task is to create a counter-narrative to the narrative which progressive media, academia, Hollywood, and the entire progressive establishment are pushing— one which reminds people of the truth of who it was who gave us the foundations of our civilization— a founding narrative for White people— one which will inspire upcoming generations of legacy Americans to embrace their past, and resist the efforts of those attempting to demonize us by rewriting history.
Yes. The tools of production and distribution are very inexpensive, and empower a single person to make high quality powerful pieces.
If one person on this site has these skills and will make the time, this site could also act as a starting distribution point in the comment section.
We have such an unbelievably rich heritage. We can draw on that and help our people remember themselves and in so doing, visualize becoming that again.
Protecting our heritage is an enormous part of this endeavor. As the damage done to art and architecture in this past decade has shown our people are slow to protect that which was entrusted to them.
“We need to highlight the greatness of our people in 5-7 minute segments from The Iliad to the moon walk and the digital revolution.” A bit too long, but I understand your passion. I therefore simply pick the first point I stumbled upon. Do we highlight such–alone–when such is being usurped by those who have no right to it? Or do we explain that such usurpation is unfounded—even libelous? Quick example, you mentioned the accomplishment of White men going to the moon. Yet there is a repulsive movie produced which purports that three Black women were essential to the NASA’s… Read more »
I had that movie in mind as a good example. Here is what you do. You make short movies about space flight and going to the moon. You show the history of who invented the rockets. Who invented the math and physics. You show who invented the sattelite systems. You show the history of who developed computers and who developed and wrote the onboard guidance systems. Those three women were 3 of hundreds of people doing standard math equations and redundancy checks in boiler rooms, because computers couldn’t do it at that scale then. It is my understanding that there… Read more »
If you have not noticed we are in a blood feud.
Just most whites refuse to admit it, hence they are getting fucked in their own homelands.
Its stupid to keep dancing around it.
It’s almost as focus is directed to a genocide seventy-plus years ago to distract from an ongoing genocide conducted by the victims of the older one.
Genociding an entire continent of 500 million people is a criminal abomination of such greater magnitude there is no precedent.
@trumpton:
The Little Ice Age was still an Ice Age, but agreed.
Given how much better off Africans-in-America have always been than their cannibal cousins in De Muddaland, and the enormous burdens they impose by their presence, if anything they should be the ones paying de repa-ma-rations to the White taxpayers who have been giving them all a free ride through life since time out of mind. Call it “civilizational rent.” They have no legitimate grievances with us. None. None whatsoever, nor did they ever have any, even as slaves–maybe less then than now, as then they had supervision and were prevented from having access to dangerous things with which they would… Read more »
Put that in your pipe and smoke it . Great post today here and taki. I used to send you some scratch in the mail occasionally. It was fun to hear LA. Mentioned on mail call. I’ve gotten lazy with the support lately. Joined Substack yesterday. Man I’m glad I did before I read today’s offerings. Guilt free enlightenment…. Say hi to postcard man for me. And thanks Zman. Still waiting to hear from the Red Lion guys. Beers on me if your still interested.
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“How should we defend ourselves from this assault on our very nature?”
The correct answer is “Kill ’em all, and let God sort ’em out.”
You’re such a traditionalist, Infant.
I can’t say I am opposed, any idea how we implement your idea when we have zero access to any institution, especially the military, that would make this possible? Furthermore, cna you think of anybody in a position of power who is remotely on our side? Unti lthen maybe the fedpoasting should be kept to yourself, not because of possible trouble from the feds, but because it is cringe as hell.
At the very least, make the friend/enemy distinction and call them what they are, our enemies. Then we can proceed.
On the evolutionary time scale, who are we and where are we are synonymous. Adaptation to the local environment creates unique traits that “work” and then ultimately define a people. The USA was an untapped wilderness when the original Europeans arrived, and they were largely self-selected based upon a belief in self reliance, hard work, overcoming difficult challenges, and building something of value to pass on to their heirs. And all of this was enabled by the expanse of freedom to be found in the native wilderness. Virgin America was not England and when King George III attempted to tame… Read more »
One of the worst aspects of the cancer is the inversion of rights that is happening. The right to watch porn and debauchery is sacrosanct, but while there is theoretically freedom of political speech, cops will find some nonsense to charge you with for all sorts of speech, like burning a pride flag. Also, heaven help you if you commit a legitimate act of self defense against diversity and they find your twitter account where you said mean things about black people Freedom from unwarranted searches and seizures has basically gone completely out the window in the electronic age, and… Read more »
Probably beginning in the middle of the last century, when jews began gaining more power throughout society, the old moral codes started changing – all for the worse, but couched in terms like “it’s not fair”, or “the old ways are to restrictive”, etc. Thus we get civil rights and AA for blacks, porn and vulgarity throughout society, notably in cinema and literature, no consequence sex, no fault divorce, vast numbers of women in the workplace and queer marriage, among others. It’s not too strong a statement to say that jews were the driving force behind all this degradation. Now,… Read more »
The elite at the time mistakenly thought that control of the institutions was entrenched and failed to recognize that control of mass pervasive moving media and academia made this inconsequential.
They failed to see where the post war power was concentrated in the electronic age.
The media and academia became a wrecking ball to all avenues of institutional promotion, and now here we are back at the weimar republic.
And the solution is…what? Separation? Expulsion? Cattle cars? Since they will never assimilate, we’re stuck with these dirtbags.
Wasn’t there a guy who already figured this out and tried to do something about it?
About ten years ago, Paul Kersey of VDare used to describe our country as “Black Run America.” Other people countered Kersey by saying that there is a more powerful group who really runs our country and simply employs blacks as a weapon against whites. To those who don’t want to see, ask yourself which specific group did these two powerful black men offend? To those who think that blacks are the most powerful group in our country, ask yourself which group is destroying these powerful black men and why? “To know who rules you, determine who you are not allowed… Read more »
Probably the best example is Nick Cannon. Cannon had a show where he sat and talked to people. In it, he made anti-white and anti-semitic comments. He and his show got cancelled. He eventually apologized for the anti-Semitic comments (but not the anti-white ones), and Voila! He’s been uncancelled and is on tv again.
His anti-white comments are actually hilarious in their stupidity. He opined that soul and culture comes from melanin, therefore because whites have less/no melanin, they are “less than” blacks. The lack of melanin makes us more prone to evil. Welcome to the genius of black intellectualism.
Oxymoron, a figure of speech in which apparently contradictory terms appear in conjunction (e.g. “black intellectualism”)
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The West/Irving hilarity has really put the Step-‘n-Fetchits on the Tribal propaganda organs in uncomfortable, cringy positions. It’s been a joy to watch the likes of Joy Reid furiously pick cotton for ol’ Massa Schlomo. Whites mostly avert their eyes, but blacks are taking note. To get back on my hobby horse, redpilling Hispanics on the JQ is to be commended although they are getting there on their own. Our people will be the last to swallow the pill but will be the ones who take corrective and protective actions. This will be widely popular although you will be unable… Read more »
Its obvious and telling how silent the civnat sites have been on this.
They have no line of thought already laid down by the media matrix so are completely unsure how to report upon it.
It just shows how much capture the media has over the allowed processes of the so called right that the civnat right crows about on the left. They cannot even see the thought prison they exist in.
the see no color vs the see no antisemitism leaves them no where to stand without prior approval of what to say.
The Silence of the CivNats in this matter is darkly funny. The Left, particularly the dullest portions like blacks, are handed a script and told to read it, and they do. The CivNats will get their script once it is composed and do the same.
There’s a group of people you cannot criticize in the USA. We all know that. A couple of blacks who thought they had special privilege with regard to speaking whatever comes into their heads are finding out the hard way that there are limits even for them.
There are no principles involved here. Only straight power. This group has the power.
They have power only as long as Goodwhites hold on to the belief that criticizing or even disliking Jews makes you the Devil.
Once Jews start getting treated like any other human group then we’ll all be better off.
The Ashkenazi are also replacing themselves, as Z-man wrote on Taki. And they are being replaced by an even more ethno-centric people, Hindus, in certain markets.
The Jews of the future will be the Brahmin Hindus. Someone’d better tell the NJP.
Gonna be tricky to just change your name and blend in. Marrano is not going to work if you look very different.
But then at that point who will they be blending in with?
In the initial waves of Twitter firings the Brahmins were all fired and the most powerful Jew got deferential praise from Musk. If they aren’t bothering to reproduce what is their long term plan? Will it eventually get like Hispanics where we will have politicians and public figures who are less than 5% Jewish running around claiming to be a persecuted minority?
[…] ZMan does a deep dive. […]
The reason the acronym “AINO” is on the mark is we no longer enjoy:
— freedom of speech
— freedom of religion
— freedom of association
— freedom from unlawful search and seizure
— the right to self defense
— double jeopardy is now the SOP of the Feds
— there is no right to privacy
— right to a speedy trial, I laugh
So the premise of the host is that AINO went through three phases, we are now in the 4th. What to call it, pray tell?
Some of us have been calling it “ZOG” for a very long time now.
“They refuse to uphold our morality, the thing that defines us as a people, so they are in effect making war on us. How should we defend ourselves from this assault on our very nature?”
Well, there was a guy back in the 1930s who wrote a book about this very thing before becoming Chancellor…