Chasing The Dragon

Recently, whoever owns the Dodge car brand announced that the brand would stop making sports cars in the near future. They will discontinue their line of muscle cars in favor of electric cars. Many other car makers have promised that they will soon cease making cars with internal combustion engines. Reminiscent of the Soviet five year plans, they are promising to be right with Gaia in five years. Like those five year plans this is unlikely to happen, barring societal collapse.

The main reason this will never happen is that electric cars are and always have been a stupid lie against practical reality. The stupidity lies in the fact that at the end of every green scheme lies a smokestack. There is no such thing as renewable energy so that leaves the only way we know to get usable energy, breaking atoms. The lie is that these new cars are better in some way. They are not. In fact, electric cars are inferior at all of the things that make normal cars useful.

This short post summarizes the more obvious problems with eclectic vehicles, but you could write a book on the topic. The cost of ownership is significantly higher to the user and even higher for society, if one thinks mountains of old batteries is a problem that society should mitigate against. Then there is the fact that they will forever be impractical for most people. The biggest problem is they will require trillions in infrastructure changes that will never happen.

Like the eBook, the electric car is a solution in search of a problem. In fact, the eBook is the place to start in order to grasp the lunacy of the EV. Deliberately swept down the memory hole is the fact that the same people who say the electric car is the future also said the eBook was the future. The claim was the reduced cost of making an eBook versus a real book would end printing entirely. The publishers would simply abandon the practice of printing books.

There is the first comparison to ponder. Hidden in the selling of the eBook idea was the claim that you would be forced to burn your paper books in favor of Amazon deciding what you could read. It was a form of the old communist line about capitalist selling the communists the rope they would use to hang them. In this case, the greed of the publishers would be used to enforce the eBook dream. Behind every radical project are men holding pistols, waiting for their chance.

We see an advanced version at work with electric vehicles. First the regime rolled out incentives for battery makers and car makers. Then they rolled out incentives for people to buy these cars. There are incentives for municipalities to install charging stations and find ways to encourage EV use. Now we are into the stick phase where car makers are getting bullied to stop making normal cars. The regime enjoys the carrot and stick approach, but they most really enjoy the stick.

In both the eBook and the eVehicle, we saw form up what amounted to a religious community in support of these novelties. When the eBook hit the scene, the same people who swore Starbucks made great coffee suddenly decided that they could only read off a device. It was the future! The same people who swore eBooks were the future are now saying the same thing with electric cars. They are the same people who swore masks and standing on one foot would prevent Covid.

The electric car and the electric book are two examples of the other side of the moral panic, which is the moral crusade. Both moral the panic and the moral crusade arise from the same desire among the people swept up in them. They are seeking both salvation and a sense of security. On the one hand, they want to be secure from whatever it is that is causing the panic, like climate change or Covid. On the other hand, they want to be seen as a good person, one of the elect.

For a very long time, almost all of human history in fact, religion was the vessel into which these aspects of belief were contained. Religion told the faithful that as long as they were pious they were going to be okay. Maybe that meant an afterlife or maybe it meant justice in this life. If they followed the rules, they would be safe. It also promised a little extra for those who were particularly pious. The public act of piety has been with us since Gobekli Tepe for this reason.

It turns out that reason, appeals to nature and historical inevitability are poor replacements for the supernatural. In the Christian era, the faith supplied all of the spiritual security one needed, because it truly sated the desire. It made clear what one could expect from salvation. Ideology, on the other hand, ironically enough, is like an opioid, in that it provides an initial euphoric satisfaction, but then an insatiable craving for even more of what it promised.

It turns out that we are plagued by these moral crusades and panics because the people behind them are like drug addicts. For them, modernity is an opium den in which the are condemned to chase the dragon for eternity. It is why during Covid so many of them had that same dead expression in their eyes you see from addicts. With their mask firmly on, they were in the only space where they were both free from the agony of desire and the ecstasy of the narcotic high.

Now that the high priest of the electric vehicle has revealed himself to be nothing more than an opportunist, the religion of the EV has been shaken. The people who told us the electrical car was the vehicle to spiritual satisfaction are now turning on the idea as a way to smite the evil Elon Musk. Of course, practical reality will eventually reduce the idea to a niche item, like the eBook. Somewhere, someone like Elon Musk is thinking about the next moral crusade to monetize.


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Jim in Hawaii
Jim in Hawaii
1 year ago

Lol! Right. Jim in Hawaii here. Six solar panels powers a car in Hawaii. Forever. No gas, no oil, no brakes (regen), no tune up, no muffler, no timing chain, ie, zero maintenance on the electric engine. Gas is $5.00 + gallon, down from $5.50. When the grid goes down, good luck buying gasoline at any price. Actually my Bolt is a money making machine – I put $5 in my pocket every 20 miles of driving. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha! Could it be that some of these EV bashing articles are being funded by the oil… Read more »

Hugh Pizek
Hugh Pizek
Reply to  Jim in Hawaii
1 year ago

You are a blooming idiot! Go back to California where you belong. A true kamaina, not no make believe joke.

JDaveF
JDaveF
1 year ago

I dunno – I like my Kindle. Don’t want an electric car though.

Dinodoxy
Dinodoxy
Reply to  JDaveF
1 year ago

Yeah, this post has a bit of You kids get off my lawn! vibe to it.

Corey
Corey
1 year ago

I’m the guy who started the Boycott American Women blog, and i admit i was quite a woman hater but i went thru a spiritual awakening and now I’m trying to heal women instead of hurt them. Anyway if you wanna ask me questions or do an interview, just DM me on instagram at tantrahealermaster

miforest
Member
1 year ago

Our owners want us all in ” walkable ” cities. whether we want to be there or not. Would be a lot easier to get us to move there if there were NO cars to buy. development of a new model takes 5 to 7 years. the increasing CAFE requirements mean that the current model cannot be sold . i work for a supplier that sells products to all three big us companies and two of the Japanese companies . they have canceled their forward model development groups for engines. those folks have been downsized. many of the midsized an… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
1 year ago

I agree with the skepticism of the EV. I must take exception, however, to trashing the ebook reader. Even so, I do share some of Z’s criticisms, such as Amazon or some other power controlling what’s on a device. There is some truth to that, but it’s far from absolute. Unlike the EV, an ebook reader probably would pay for itself many times over if used by an avid bookworm, especially if he relies upon free books. This is probably explained by the fact that a physical book, no matter how reassuring its look and feel, will cost money even… Read more »

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 year ago

The eBook also comes in handy, due to the larger print and better contrast, for the older people (mostly) with eyesight that has declined….

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 year ago

Ah boomers. Unable to appreciate the monstrous cost of things that have a free price. Streaming music and movies, ebooks with cloud stored content. Gee, it’s like they finally created an actual memoryhole for when they take the next step in genociding our people and destroying our culture. “The little mermaid has always been black, who is Hans Christian Anderson, never heard of him.”

Cruciform
Cruciform
1 year ago

“Recently, whoever owns the Dodge car brand announced that the brand would stop making sports cars in the near future.” Ok, ok. This tells me some things. If I asked a guy if he ‘drives a sports car’ and he said “yeas, a Corvette” – that would not be as bad as thinking Dodge makes any “sports cars.” A sports car is a 1969 911, spartan, 2 liter engine. Minimal in every way, air cooled, hot dog shaped exhaust that consists of one part. You work on it yourself. ONLY you. Once dentists and lawyers and that filth got into… Read more »

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Cruciform
1 year ago

LOL

Dear Lord, I’m not sure why all the downvotes.

Good on you for having a point of view and sticking to it.

My folks are on month 6 for parts needed for a fender bender

Knowing how to fix your own stuff also prevents one from being bent over.

Cruciform
Cruciform
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
1 year ago

I take the down votes as proof of concept. Too many men in this space are here ‘doing something’ while saddled with the slavery of car loan debt. Why? Because they are too lazy to maintain and repair their own cars. So they don’t have the confidence to buy an older car, out of warranty. Chicken + shit. Any idiot can go to You Toob and see how to do: — brake job (save $800-$1,000 each time) — timing belt change (save $1200.00 each time) — oil change (save $50 each time and do it more regularly) Hell, they run… Read more »

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Cruciform
1 year ago

“Because they are too lazy to maintain and repair their own cars.”

Amazing, how you’re unable to put yourself into someone else’s situation. Maybe time-value-of-money matters, family time matters, and spending 6-8 hours to do a 1-man brake job on the wife’s jeep is something that maybe, just maybe, not everyone has the time or interest to do.

Why doesn’t everyone do my thing? Because they’re too X!

That’s ‘tarded thinking, that is.

joblo
joblo
Reply to  Cruciform
1 year ago

As a former dealership mechanic I’d like to add that diagnosis was considered the worst job, and I think this has a direct impact on the affordability of cars – 7 year payment plans? Diagnosing is the only part of the job I found interesting, most diagnosis are simple, buuuut: we had a saying – “if you diagnose more than a half hour, you are working on your own time”. This was because the customer would say: “why don’t you just hook it up to your computer?”. So the current generation of mechanics is very prone to simply doing what… Read more »

anonymous
anonymous
Reply to  joblo
1 year ago

Any discussion of global warming related subjects should include mention that “greenhouses without roofs don’t hold any heat, because convection” . Warm air rises, radiating heat in all directions – once it reaches airliner height there is very little above to hold heat in, but below is where all the water vapor is – the real greenhouse gas, very effective at absorbing heat and convection. It’s as if people have been bullied into not thinking about things by massive propaganda campaigns rendering all of society’s worst problems beyond discussion.

Spingerah
Spingerah
Reply to  joblo
1 year ago

We speak the same language.
I spent over eighteen years hanging around dealerships the last fifteen doing driveability gas, diesel and hybreds. myself. twelve more with independants & two with a city, hated that.
i actually miss it, .the tech not the business.
Still in the world just not the retail end. I’ll never hang it up completely. Building a shop now going to have a 12k two post too stiff to flatback anymore.

Still in the trade just no longer

Spingerah
Spingerah
Reply to  Cruciform
1 year ago

Being a professional at any trade deserves respect.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Cruciform
1 year ago

down voted for being an old fart. you might want to check the prices on a ’69 911.

Spingerah
Spingerah
Reply to  karl von hungus
1 year ago

For most people today and back then as well something like that isn’t practicle and their not interested. Hell most of todays drivers would have no idea how to set or operate a choke or drive a stick. My career spanned from conventional ignition & carburators to electronic engine & transmission controls. Yes there were a lot of bumps during that transition but todays cars are almost generic in the underhood operation and are far superior in almost every way than anything from 1969 Cool factor though, not at all. Get comfortable with a graphing scan tool and study up… Read more »

Mis(ter)Anthrope
Reply to  Cruciform
1 year ago

I commend you for being able to work on your own vehicles. I own 6 vehicles (my one weakness for materialism) and the newest is 14 years old. I can’t work on all of them, but I at least have a good understanding of the drivetrains on all of them and can diagnose most problems that arise. Sometimes i can fix them, but sometimes I have to take it to my local mechanic. I am pretty religious about preventative maintenance, so I don’t have a lot of problems in that area. I hate all the electronic crap on new vehicles.… Read more »

Spingerah
Spingerah
Reply to  Mis(ter)Anthrope
1 year ago

Good on you.
I do agree that there are over engineered electronics, front and rear body moduals come to mind. Networked, shareing sensors etc. All supplied by the lowest bider. When there is a failure on one networked componet it often affects others making pinpointing the faulity componet a swag
Scientific wild ass guess.
But people want more & more bells and whistles or they think they need them.

Allen
Allen
1 year ago

Or as I like to put it “behind every green energy scheme is an environmental degradation waiting to be unveiled.” I see this all the time in the high desert which is the location of choice for photovoltaic systems and wind farms. It truly is astounding how fast and how often waivers and set asides can be produced in what was previously considered sacrosanct areas. Need a solar plant in an endangered species habitat? No problem, they’ll find it’s really not that critical after all. Every Time. The point is leftists don’t hold to any of their pieties, they are… Read more »

ArthurinCali
Reply to  Allen
1 year ago

No Principles, merely Platitudes that can conveniently shift and morph as the situation requires.

Woodpecker
Woodpecker
Reply to  Allen
1 year ago

This X 50. My entire life I heard the left pronounce how much they care about: jobs, education, healthcare, ‘inclusion’, walkable cities, green spaces, parents rights, etcetera, etcetera, ad infinitum. Then came a coronavirus with a fractional case fatality rate and *boom* – *all* those things, *all* at once were yesterday’s thing, and utterly destroyed. I realized that, despite everything, I had subconsciously held onto the idea the leftists were the ‘nice guys’, just misguided. Now I know. They hate order, they love destruction, and the rest is just excuses.

Fakeemail
Fakeemail
Reply to  Woodpecker
1 year ago

They were NEVER nice, but misguided. Vicious tyrants, ruiners, and projectors of their sins is who they are.

It’s who they’ve ALWAYS been.

Woodpecker
Woodpecker
Reply to  Fakeemail
1 year ago

Right, I see that now. What changed was my perceptions, not the actual reality.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Woodpecker
1 year ago

At the risk of defending them, I’d say Leftist ( = Idealist 99.99% of the time) main failing is that they are always enraptured by “tomorrow’s thing,” the shiny idea that looks and sounds good in theory (or at least whim) but hasn’t ever been put to the test. And when in most cases the idea flops, it’s tossed aside and the next shiny toy is unveiled to be played with. Meanwhile, the Idealist doesn’t care (more likely: doesn’t even notice) the wreckage his previous projects have left in his wake.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Allen
1 year ago

“That’s not who we are!”

That’s not in their vocabulary.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Allen
1 year ago

Solar plants are a bad joke, even in seemingly ideal locations like North Africa and Nevada:

https://youtu.be/7OpM_zKGE4o

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 year ago

You don’t have to watch a video about the problems with solar energy in Africa. I can save you the time. It’s full of Africans.

Coalclinker
Coalclinker
1 year ago

The eV dictator people are hard to identify. The car companies are not at the top, and someone else is calling the shots. Either way, all they have to do is tell the government to go screw itself. By saying we must have electric cars, the motor vehicle manufacturers are guilty of being enemies of the people in the form of collaborators. One way or another, the only way we can get rid of these people is for the United States to undergo a Soviet Union Level Extinction Event. Now the people at the top just won’t leave the stage,… Read more »

anon
anon
Reply to  Coalclinker
1 year ago

“If you get rid of your troublemakers, you stop having problems.”

A certain power couple from Arkansas took this message to heart. Especially the lady. Thus bringing the word “Arkancide” into the popular lexicon.

cg2
cg2
1 year ago

I don’t know about this e-book stuff, but your title sent me searching for my Steely Dan “Gaucho” album. Played on vinyl thru a Marantz 2252B receiver and Bose Acoustimass speakers, of course.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  cg2
1 year ago

The song in question being about – allegedly – Walter Becker’s heroin problem. I love Gaucho as much as I like Aja.

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  cg2
1 year ago

Just listened to the Dukes of September (Fagan at the helm with Boz Scaggs and Michael Mcdonald) play Kid Charlemagne live about an hour ago. You want to see groove – watch that live performance. The ending is just pure groove. The drummer and guitarist are insanely good (as would be expected)

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  cg2
1 year ago

no highs? no lows? must be a Bose! 😛 just kidding!

Roger Sterling
Roger Sterling
Member
1 year ago

I need to see more evidence other than the Establishment is turned on Elon Musk that they are actually beginning to role back the idea.
Also, the fact that there won’t be an infrastructure to support widespread use is a feature not a bug. It’s a way to take cars, mobility and freedom away from you and me.
Very few will be able to afford a car. That’s the goal.

imnobody00
imnobody00
Reply to  Roger Sterling
1 year ago

Right. I was going to say this. The electric car is not the replacement for the gasoline car. It is the replacement for the car. The goal is to replace cars by public transport

Vxxc
Vxxc
1 year ago

Given SpaceX, Mars, and Twitter (and he who owns Twitter controls the AI of NPL, aka ChatBot GPT ) Musk can rob the Progs all he wants, and Finance too.

Mr. Blank
Member
1 year ago

I’m very much a “car guy.” I am less skeptical of EVs than I used to be, but I still can’t see how they’re ever going to overcome the hurdles necessary to achieve mass adoption. EVs are outstanding as toys, I’ll grant — my skepticism in that department has been overcome. And they might make sense as a second car some people, depending on their situation. But I can’t see how they will ever be more than a niche part of the market for the next several decades, due to all their well-known limitations, none of which will be solved… Read more »

Mike
Mike
Reply to  Mr. Blank
1 year ago

You’re on point about the car mags. I used to suscribe to all the general interest mags, even Motor Trend which has always been terrible. MT was the first to go woke a while before the others but the others finally joined in. The other 2 mainline ones R&T and C&D both went woke at the same time a couple of years ago, female columnists and editors, whining about the diversity and everything. They became openly hostile to their readership and I bailed quickly. Funny thing is that MT keft sending me mags for months afterwards with bills that I… Read more »

Dr. Dre
Dr. Dre
Reply to  Mike
1 year ago

My husband and I have three old automobiles: 1987 Olds Custom Cruiser SW; 2000 Chrysler Sebring convertible (6 cyl) and 2011 Nissan Altima. We have a great service station we use for repairs to each of these vehicles and live where there’s not much road salt used or summer heat. We rent cars from Avis to go out of state for business mtgs or extended travel. I’ve noticed recently that the Wall St Journal Friday “Mansion” feature section’s Car Guy-New Car reviewer (can’t be bothered to go check his name) has been performance reviewing almost only EVs for several months… Read more »

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  Mr. Blank
1 year ago

Good summation. I posted a longer winded version of this down thread. This car is my 2nd car and as a ‘fast toy’ it works well but you are mental to rely on it as a primary driver -especially- if you are a distance driver. I think more people of our stripe would be embracing of EV’s if they were presented as what they were bumps & warts too rather than this semi-religious thing you described. It puts a LOT of people off and I totally get it. There are enough videos of Tesla performance model 3s and Model S… Read more »

Coalclinker
Coalclinker
Reply to  Apex Predator
1 year ago

The one big difference between Vettes and Tesla is we don’t see a constant stream of videos where Teslas spontaneously ignite, taking everything down near then. And then there’s also Asian drivers putting their Tesla on autopilot and falling asleep. Idiocy doesn’t get any better than this.

Mr. Blank
Member
Reply to  Apex Predator
1 year ago

Exactly. No car guy who’s driven a Tesla (or raced against one) is gonna throw shade in their direction! There are some truly awesome EVs out there, from Tesla and others. But it’s a long way from selling Teslas and Taycans to a limited market willing to put up with the tradeoffs involved to selling them to millions and millions of normal drivers accustomed to ICE vehicles. And that doesn’t even begin to address the problem of installing the ENORMOUS infrastructure needed to support it all. The power grid and battery supplies are only part of it; there’s an entire… Read more »

(((They))) Live
(((They))) Live
Reply to  Mr. Blank
1 year ago

They have to keep the advertisers happy, if all the car companies are all in on EVs, the car mags have to be too

Look at Clarkson/Top Gear for example, for years they hated EVs with a passion, then they didn’t

Andrew
Andrew
Reply to  (((They))) Live
1 year ago

Exactly. A fun hypothetical is to consider what media would cease to exist if advertising were banned. I suspect most mags and papers would go, most tv channels, most radio stations, and most popular websites. If everyone had to pay their full share of costs for media, the market would condense, and writers and entertainers would be paid way less.

Pozymandias
Reply to  Mr. Blank
1 year ago

Nowadays, the audience for the “X magazines” is never people who actually like X. The publishing industry across the board is by, for, and about the same people. I’ll leave it to you guys to add the parenz. The gun magazines are a rare exception. I’m sure they’re working on those too. What else? Um, farm equipment magazines? Ok, I haven’t seen one in ages but I’ll bet they haven’t yet run articles about how racist corn is.

Spingerah
Spingerah
Reply to  Mr. Blank
1 year ago

Yep Z hit it out of the park. I’ve been hanging around shops for a long time, so long that I no longer give a damn. . Z is right ev and the green thing is a religion full of zealots who have zero practical skills of any kind. But for the moment seem to have political power.. my faith in logic and reason prevailing has been shaken as of late but L&R will prevail evemtually because it has to. Too bad lots of us likely won’t live to see it. In the mean time it’s time to push it’s… Read more »

Jim in Alaska
Member
1 year ago

E-books; just checked, I’ve 545 on my computer. On the other hand I’ve over a hundred running feet of paper books shelved. Many of my e-books came off project Gutenberg. Some I find useful to have in both hard copy and e-book form, for example De Tocqueville’s Democracy in America. The paper book is a fine read with pages dogeared and margin notes. The E version, using the computer find function, great to research, rediscover thoughts, paragraphs, without thumbing through page after page after page. E-books won’t, I hope, replace paper but are a useful adjunct. Electric cars; I’ve nothing… Read more »

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  Jim in Alaska
1 year ago

Jim in Alaska: “E-books won’t, I hope, replace paper but are a useful adjunct.” Being in Alaska, I’m sure you know this better than those of us in the lower 48, but the obvious problem with eBooks is that, maybe 18 to 36 hours after the power grid goes down, an eBook doesn’t even amount to a very expensive paper weight. Its battery is simply dead. And lest you lower-48-ers think the grid will never go down in the lower 48, we’ve got an ackshual USAF general predicting war with China in two years: Air Force General Predicts U.S. Will… Read more »

Jim in Alaska
Member
Reply to  Bourbon
1 year ago

” power grid goes down, an eBook … expensive paper weight.” Yes, no maybe. I also have my E-books stored on a USB flash drive and a couple of e-paper readers. Warning though, don’t try to charge a Kobo E-reader off a solar array on a cloudy day if current flow stops because a cloud blocks the sun, it apparently runs the other way out of the Kobo and bricks it. I got mine running again after much effort it it wasn’t easy. If necessary I’m sure I could charge my Kobo with my little solar panel, but I’d pick… Read more »

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  Jim in Alaska
1 year ago

It just dawned on me that we Preppers need to be making physical acid-free PAPER copies of SHEET MUSIC. If the grid goes down, we’ll be back to playing analogue musical instruments, and we’ll need some sheet music for all but the very simplest of songs. For classical orchestral & chamber music, there’s an outstanding repository at the IMSLP [formerly known as the “Werner Icking Archive”]: https://imslp.org But it’s not good enough simply to download the PDF files; for archival purposes [in anticipation of the grid going down], we will need to have made lots & lots of PAPER COPIES… Read more »

Reziac
Reziac
Reply to  Jim in Alaska
1 year ago

The difference is that if you want a printed book, you can still print out an eBook. You’re not constrained (for the most part) to just reading it on a Kindle.

However, with an EV, you’re utterly constrained to the range of a suitable electric grid, in suitable temperatures, and there’s no way around that short of a tow truck.

I like the recent measure in the Wyoming state house that sets forth a plan to phase out EVs. Not realistic of course, but a good example of Flyover Country’s attitude toward our ‘betters’.

Guest
Guest
1 year ago

The decision to convert those vehicles from internal combustion engines to electric vehicles was likely driven by demands from Wall Street banks, driven by ESG investing guidelines. If you want access to capital, the lifeblood of every business, then you have to meet ESG investing guidelines. In the car business, that means meeting electric vehicle targets.

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James J O'Meara
James J O'Meara
1 year ago

Like your repeated diatribes against canvas sacks, your screed on ebooks bares no resemblance to the reality I’m familiar with, and seems more like an old man angry with clouds. I infer you are using your irrational hatred of ebooks (by the way, Ray Bradbury said people like you were stooges to use computers rather than a good ol’ typewriter) to cobble together a boogey-man so that you can argue against EV’s by comparing them. That’s like a UFO cultist saying “I know the Democrats are evil, I’ve met their kind on Alpha Centauri”. “The claim was the reduced cost… Read more »

DFCtomm
Member
Reply to  James J O'Meara
1 year ago

Records have replaced live bands, in a sense. Who do you know that can play an instrument? Once upon a time it was a highly desirable skill, because it brought some basic entertainment into the home, but now you just turn on your electronic device and listen to music, no time consuming acquisition of skill needed. I realize that isn’t your point, but if you don’t understand this, then do you really understand e-books? However, your point about accessibility to taboo material is valid, but was not intentional. If I remember correctly the Kindle was much more restrictive in the… Read more »

KGB
KGB
Reply to  DFCtomm
1 year ago

A live band was de rigueur at wedding receptions in my parents’ and grandparents’ generations. Today, it’s a DJ.

Redpill Boomer
Redpill Boomer
Reply to  James J O'Meara
1 year ago

Nice going, I was going to make a similar comment. Though Z did make a good point. I was going to mention the 1984 thing; even if it was the only time Amazon recalled an ebook, it proves they can and will do it. And yes, they definitely censor, just look for books by Aleksander Dugin or Kevin MacDonald. The real problem with ebooks is DRM (Digital Rights Management), the encryption that publishers install to prevent copying. This locks people in to Amazon’s e-readers, unless like me you’ve found a workaround to remove the DRM. Technically illegal, but I do… Read more »

Reziac
Reziac
Reply to  James J O'Meara
1 year ago

Agreed it’s not the best comparison, but I’d guess what Z was going after was the artificially inflated prices that the Big 5 publishers put on eBooks (sometimes higher than the print version) then claimed poor eBook sales meant consumers only wanted printed books.

Similarly, The Pointy Heads In Charge point at high gas prices of their own making, and consumer anger over that, and claim this means EVs would be better and cheaper for everyone because they don’t run on gas.

DFCtomm
Member
1 year ago

You’re forgetting the original solution in search of a problem…. the Segway. They hyped that like it was the second coming of Christ, and now we realize that most Americans could benefit from a nice walk.

Jim in Alaska
Member
Reply to  DFCtomm
1 year ago

Actually I think Dean Kamen was on to something when he invented the Segway.

If he had just gone a few steps farther; put the wheels one behind the other instead of side by side, let the front wheel articulate for steering and installed a saddle so one could ride sitting, maybe even put a 250cc or larger engine on it instead of an electric motor….

😉

Reziac
Reziac
Reply to  DFCtomm
1 year ago

Having seen Segways in use by staff at a busy airport, where it was a day’s hike from one end to the other — they’re bloody awesome for that kind of task, where a scooter is a hazard (due to all the people carrying bags and not really watching where they’re going) but walking is too slow because it’s just too durn far.

Holz
Holz
1 year ago

The US is, by European standards, majority non-white so do not expect policy concerns to be shaped by previous cultural norms.

Once you’re cucked everything sucks. If you accept the irrationality of allowing yourselves to be eradicated in your own country then you will accept the irrationality of EVs ,2+2=5 etc.

Cuck Center is where you live and how you will be. Embrace the cuck, former Americans.

Gary H
Gary H
1 year ago

The plan is that no one will own a car in the future. They will all be hourly or daily rentals. You won’t need to wait for charging. You’ll simply stop at the next car park and change the car for one with a full charge, like the old post horse system. The total number of cars needed in the country will only be the number of cars that are ever on the road at one time. That’s a fraction of what we have now.

DFCtomm
Member
Reply to  Gary H
1 year ago

It will be two giant corporations who secretly collude to fix prices, and us the government to stifle any competition. One more thing you won’t own, but will you be happy?

James J O'Meara
James J O'Meara
Reply to  Gary H
1 year ago

The plan, actually, is to ban gasomobiles in favor of EV’s that only the elite can afford. Sort of like airplanes; you’ll notice that they haven’t developed any cheap private planes or jetpacks, so air travel is restricted to 1. commercial (hoi polloi and other kinds of freight) and 2. expensive luxury planes for the elite.

You will drive nothing, get deliveries at your pod, and be happy.

Reziac
Reziac
Reply to  James J O'Meara
1 year ago

Meanwhile, I was just thinking that there’s a market awaiting a basic but sufficiently powerful gas/flexfuel vehicle, with no more features than a 1960s model, and at a fraction of an EV’s price…

Redpill Boomer
Redpill Boomer
Reply to  Gary H
1 year ago

And if your social credit score isn’t high enough, tough luck, buddy.

Pozymandias
Reply to  Gary H
1 year ago

Sadly, this is the rebuttal to Z’s points about EVs. Actually, this whole EV issue illustrates a kind of, what to call it even? Techno-Marxist Dialectical Method? The idea is to initiate a sort of iterative process that doesn’t ring any alarm bells initially but leads, through a kind of Hegelian logic, to some utterly tyrannical endpoint. The basic process goes something like this: 1. Propose a technological solution to a problem that may or may not be real or very serious. 2. Get the Blue Check shitheads talking about how “it’s inevitable”. 3. Roll out a prototype that sort… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Pozymandias
1 year ago

Well imagined, but I’d add:
8. Given the overall societal decay, that autobahn will rapidly degrade into something appropriate to the third world. If it’s surfaced at all, it’ll be loaded with potholes. Driving a luxury vehicle, or even today’s ordinary family sedan, upon such a road will be unthinkable. What little motorized traffic there is will be delivery truck and armored personnel carriers. Maxing out at, oh, say 40 km/h. Maybe 60 on a good stretch.

Pozymandias
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
1 year ago

Good point. Klaus will lament that driving just isn’t fun anymore and use the helicopter for everything.

orsotoro
orsotoro
Reply to  Pozymandias
1 year ago

Fine until the concrete block is dropped on them from the overhead gantry.

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
1 year ago

Lots of opinions on this one I see. Many people seem to have a good idea of the meta problem this is which is contrary to “sustainability” as it grows it will most definitely more resemble unsustainability as the grid is hammered with these very high draw “appliances”. There is also a lot of speculation so allow me to offer a definitive source, and this will probably surprise a lot of people. I own a Tesla. 🙂 Newly owned, in fact, just a few weeks old. However! I am what would be considered an ‘edge case’ in the extreme for… Read more »

Mike
Mike
Reply to  Apex Predator
1 year ago

I upvoted you for one reason, Corvette drivers. I loathe 99% of them. They buy in a midlife crisis or to fulfill a boyhood dream yet they never drive them to even 10% of the cars’ capabilities. They own one of finest supercars ever made, an equal or superior to anything from Europe but just can’t make themselves extend the car. Apologies to anyone reading this who has one, I hope you at least track it once in a while.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Apex Predator
1 year ago

Guys, he bought a Tesla because (I suspect) an EV gets unrestricted use of the carpool lanes, which makes a commute more enjoyable compared to the normal lanes of I-95 which are basically a parking lot between Washington DC and most of the way down to Richmond during rush hour. 😀

anon
anon
Reply to  Apex Predator
1 year ago

I am a subcontinental. The problem is that the bean counters rule the roost. What happens is that the bean counters hire the sub-cs because they get an “engineer” with the credentials cheaply. But the said engineer has never used the products he is designing/working on. Imagine a shoe designer hiring a Saharan who has never worn shoes in his life. Then put the said Saharan in charge of designing hiking boots, formal shoes, military boots, waders…the whole range. It is the same with the sub-cs trying to design high tech products that they have never before used int their… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
1 year ago

The real push for EV/AI is to develop military police robots, to complement the coming drone swarms, under civilian cover.

Ploppy
Ploppy
1 year ago

The common theme I’ve noticed with all of the current electronic devices is the ability for the regime to change the terms of service on a whim and impose it. Cars are built with computers in them that allow them to be disabled remotely. The web and search engines are fairly good at disappearing content they don’t like. And e-books running some kind of subscription service will only offer the current year books. If they don’t like a book then a few well-formed SQL commands can make it so that book never existed. This doesn’t have to be perfect either,… Read more »

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Ploppy
1 year ago

At the risk of spouting Con Inc. rhetoric, is there a free-market solution? The ability to remain private on your phone is a constant selling point by manufacturers, although it’s a chimeric ability in the real world. I can’t see a new company being built on the concept of a private, personal vehicle, but might not one of the existing manufacturers stress the independence their owners can expect and use that feature as a tool to capture market share?

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  KGB
1 year ago

Any corporation big enough for you to know its name *is* the government. There’s no “market” for pretending that’s not true.

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  KGB
1 year ago

That would require a free-market and an inability for businesses to lie about whether or not their product actually does what they say it does.

The closest we get in reality is stuff that blocks out Pajeet scammers, but is still letting the CIA dutifully catalog all those disgusting sites you look at in the bathroom at work.

Redpill Boomer
Redpill Boomer
Reply to  KGB
1 year ago

As far as computers go, do Linux, not Windows or Mac.

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  KGB
1 year ago

KGB, classically [1987 through 2021], in starting a large new company, there were two masters before whom you had to prostrate yourself: the Federal Reserve, and the Environmental Protection Agency. To start a large new manufacturing firm, you needed an Uncle Mordecai somewhere in the banking system [to insure the free flow of fake money to prop up the value of your stock certificates], and you needed an affectation’ed Cousin Steve in the Environmental Protection Agency [to keep the Passive Aggressive Industrial Complex regulators from smothering you to death with paperwork]. But Jerome Powell has turned off the spigot of… Read more »

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  Ploppy
1 year ago

In line with the thinking of Gary H & Alzaebo & Ploppy above, the Elites want electric cars because a couple of lines of code [which can be uploaded on the fly to your car’s IP Address & Serial Number] turn your electric car into a prison and/or an execution chamber. As you were cruising down the interstate, did you just mean-tweet about a THOT or a n!g-n0g or a pajeet or a g00k or an LGBTQ, or, G0d forbid, a Chosen? Suddenly all the doors of your electric car lock themselves shut, your brakes and your steering wheels no… Read more »

mrburns
mrburns
Reply to  Ploppy
1 year ago

I wonder how long it will take for rapists and hitmen to hack the new automobile kill switches.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
1 year ago

Yeah, yeah yeah. And Brandon and his merry men will give M1 tanks to the Ukes and win the war against Russia.

Your “Rule Of Opposites” needs to be expanded with regard to the Usual Suspects. If they say they are going to lick Covid, they are going to unleash a financial and cultural catastrophe. If they are going to beat the Russians in the Kraine, they’ll leave it in charred ruins. If they are gonna save the environMINT…guess what.

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  Glenfilthie
1 year ago

I don’t see how strip mining the planet for lithium and filling landfills with mountains of worn out solar panels could possibly harm the environment…

manc
manc
Reply to  Ploppy
1 year ago

Whenever I point out the scale of the mining necessary to make EV’s work to one of their advocates, I get a dead eyed stare. The fact that the mining is done largely in impoverished third world countries doesn’t even register.

It’s like they think these batteries run on unicorn farts and good intentions.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  manc
1 year ago

Well, those are the power sources for their impoverished brains, so they don’t quibble with their extensive, and unending programming in consequence.

Mike
Mike
1 year ago

There is one really great argument for electric cars which curiously the e car fans never mention. All the petrol stations where I live are owned by Pakistanis. I like to point out to colleges who own electric cars how much I admire their racism, but simply can’t justify spending that much money just to signal my dislike of south asians.

TripleV
TripleV
1 year ago

Here in the EU the plan is to outlaw all sales of all cars with combustion engines until 2035. I can imagine how well this is going to work.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

There’s a very palpable ivory tower sensibility to our managerial clouds these days, a mindset of snapping one’s fingers and making it so by mere command, without regard for or respect to complex systems that took a lot of people a long time to establish. You see it all the time if you’re paying attention, it shows up in a lot of ways, the push for EVs but one. They’ve never known a world without every convenience, and take that for granted. It is unfathomable to them that they might suffer consequences for reordering it on a whim. A few… Read more »

mrburns
mrburns
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

The elites live in a world where magic is real. By spellcasting in the media and using their vast wealth to influence politicians they are able to make wars, change economies, destroy religions, and even cause an entire race to commit suicide. It’s no wonder then that they become blind to the physical limits the universe will eventually impose. For most things they mearly speak the words and things that are unimaginable to you and I become real for them.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  mrburns
1 year ago

It gets worse. They’ve been ordered constantly, from an early age, by pop culture, woke education, and their magic negro Obama The Precious, to “change the world,” without regard to whether or not they were qualified to change anything more complicated than their underwear. This is part of how you get vast armies of idiots who think it’s a good idea to turn off the economy to save grandma, without any understanding or even conception of what the consequences of that could be. So why should it be surprising that they think EVs are going to be a solution to… Read more »

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

It used to be a big joke that Miss America contestants would talk about how they wanted to “change the world” or “create world peace” during the interview segment. Yet now, you can’t get a job as a high school or university commencement speaker if you’re not going to pepper your speech with similar exhortations.

Pozymandias
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

There’s a curious psychology among the younger demographic of the woke. Every now and then I’ll run into some ad or article about how “we” need to “re-engineer the X” system. Most recently, I saw an example where X was food. These things are invariably written by some xirl or bitch-boy who couldn’t make it past high school algebra and couldn’t re-engineer a loose lugnut back onto a wheel bolt. The same people are invariably in favor of gun confiscation, severe speech restrictions, mandatory vaxxing, rationing and bans on a host of ever shifting “bad” items. Do these people have… Read more »

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

J. Zoar you always have good insights. The racist thing exists partly as patronage for a specific faction.

Still, the deplorable, racist, clinger epitaphs probably exist in large part to get rid of us dimwits whose common sense and grounding in reality get in the way of their fantasies. We stood in the way of eradicating poverty for decades while they eradicated real wealth.

We stood in the way of equal outcomes and environmental justice too. We are a convenient scapegoat. Time to get uppity and show them the sharp end of the horn.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

The Clouds, being intelligent yet idiot types, fail to realize that their existence is only possible as a product of the current system.

They seem to believe the current system exists as a result of their work product, which is an utterly delusional worldview.

MBlanc46
MBlanc46
1 year ago

Where is the evidence that car-makers are being bullied into announcing that they will be abandoning IC vehicles? I don’t claim to know what their motivations are, but there are other obvious possible explanations, at least some of which are more plausible than bullying. As far as electronic media are concerned, the fact that I read your pieces on a tablet undercuts your argument about ebooks.

mmack
mmack
Reply to  MBlanc46
1 year ago

Oh, I dunno 🤷🏻‍♂️ MBlanc46, there’s this from California:

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/08/25/california-bans-the-sale-of-new-gas-powered-cars-by-2035.html

With a link to the CARB regulation.

And here’s a list of US states with a wild hair up their bottoms to match CA:
https://ww2.motorists.org/blog/15-states-plan-to-ban-gas-powered-cars-is-your-state-next/

Then there’s this from the EU:

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/economy/20221019STO44572/eu-ban-on-sale-of-new-petrol-and-diesel-cars-from-2035-explained

But no, no government coercion at all. 😒

PeriheliusLux
PeriheliusLux
Reply to  MBlanc46
1 year ago

Are you smoking crack? California, New Jersey, New York, Britain all have outlawed the ICE engine by 2035. You make cars that have a minimum 10 year lead time on design and massive capital investment – tens of billions of dollars. Why invest anymore in a product that will be outlawed before it gets to market or whose sales to profitability won’t materialize by the time it can’t be sold? The California market alone is so huge that economies of scale dictate that you can’t make ICE cars for markets where they are still legal. See all the other points… Read more »

(((They))) Live
(((They))) Live
Reply to  PeriheliusLux
1 year ago

You can still buy a new ICE car on the 31st of December 2034 and continue to drive it until the wheels fall off

Assuming it all goes to plan, which we all know just won’t happen

Steve
Steve
Reply to  MBlanc46
1 year ago

Mazda is a perfect example. Around six years ago they developed an engine that combined the fuel economy of a diesel, with the horsepower of a V8. I believe it displaced 3.4 liters, had close to 300 horsepower, all while getting a whopping 70 mpg on the highway. Uncle Sugar flat out told them don’t bother bringing it here, we won’t allow it for sale.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
1 year ago

It also seems to be the rebirth of the train transportation zealots, with their famed rail project in California crashing up against the rocks of reality. No longer pitching a shinkansen to go from D.C. to L.A. now it’s about super chargers installed every twenty feet to drive a demand that doesn’t exist. Much like their public transportation dreams, it might be forced to kinda, sorta work in a monoethnic, high trust, highly capable society, but in a land where people make sure their take is full and drive through some areas as quickly as possible schemes that involve stopping… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
1 year ago

Gotta say, I think trains are a great way of getting around. In the city, no traffic. In the countryside, you get to enjoy the scenery. Kind of doubt it’ll ever catch on again in America, though, barring a partial collapse. Much faster to fly, much more convenient to jump in a car instead of observing a train schedule.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 year ago

For better or worse, America just wasn’t built for trains. And Europe mostly wasn’t built for cars.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

In the last half of the 1800’s it was built for trains. Getting from point A to point B in hours instead of taking a few uncomfortable days had to be an bewilderingly positive development. But the automobile managed to shave even more time off that trip by going directly from your front door to your destination. No more to the station early, only to wait for a delayed train; no more stopping at multiple towns along the way.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

Eh, I wouldn’t look to the current train wreck that is the US rail system as a paradigm.

As KGB stated, the US once had passenger and freight service that was quite good, and served towns that would never dare dream of interstate or flight service.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 year ago

There’s no one who gets on public transportation in the U.S. and thinks “yeah I want more of *that*”

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 year ago

That is very true. In all likelihood, anywhere in North America, if you live in a small city or large town that dates to the 19th century, it likely had a train depot. Even tiny settlements along a railway had limited service.

(((They))) Live
(((They))) Live
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
1 year ago

And right now in Japan the Shinkanzen is not fast enough, so they are building a Mag Lev line

Never been to Japan but whrn they finish the Msg lev, I might make the trip

Andrew
Andrew
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
1 year ago

I love the morons that are always nattering on about high speed rail. They’re so dumb that they dont realize that air travel is our high speed rail.

Maxda
Maxda
1 year ago

I would seriously consider a plug-in hybrid if it was done right. Commute to work and around town on the battery (assuming cheap charging was available). But a gas engine that turns on for longer trips.
But most of the models that were on the market seem to have been pulled in favor of all-electric models.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Maxda
1 year ago

the new Prius is just what you describe.

(((They))) Live
(((They))) Live
Reply to  karl von hungus
1 year ago

What happened at Toyota, the new Prius actually looks good

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Maxda
1 year ago

The life span of the battery/cost of replacement remains the big question to me with a hybrid. I buy cars with the intention of driving them a long time. Currently getting around in a 21 year old Toyota, that I’m beginning to think about replacing. I have similar aspirations for the next one.

Götterdamn-it-all
Götterdamn-it-all
Reply to  Maxda
1 year ago

Hell, just get yourself a golf cart. That’s what all the beautiful people in my neighborhood do. They’re such virtue signaling maniacs.

BerndV
BerndV
Reply to  Maxda
1 year ago

Toyota’s CEO is stepping down because he was a hybrid enthusiast and recognized the limited utility and feasibility of all electric cars. Toyota, as the lone holdout advocating for hybrids, has been under enormous pressure to get with the all electric program and ditch their hybrids.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  BerndV
1 year ago

BerndV: Toyota has ruined their vehicles – even the ICE ones. There was a massive multipage survey they sent out 3-5 years ago (which I never bothered to complete) all about what features most mattered, etc. The soccer moms all did fill out their surveys, and Toyotas are now good little mommy cars with all the surveillance tech, and safety warnings and buzzers and control features. Both my husband and I wish we had kept our 2018s and loathe the 2020s we are driving (recently paid off both leases). As soon as we have the extra cash they are both… Read more »

Mr C
Mr C
1 year ago

I like the idea of an electric car for around town things. Range is not an issue for that. Also, going to the gas station is annoying. Run a 220v to the garage and you’re done. I know this doesn’t work for most people, but it doesn’t have to.

There are a million other liberal ideas that suck for everyone, but this one only sucks for some people.

p
p
Reply to  Mr C
1 year ago

works until you are parked in the grocery store parking lot with a car full of groceries on a hot day and your batteries are dead. How you gonna push the car to the charging station, or will another EV car owner in the same lot have a really long extension cord??

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  p
1 year ago

You make it sound like EVs don’t come with charge indicators.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Mr C
1 year ago

If you’re rich enough, sure, why not. It is not, and in my lifetime will not be, a viable option for the working class

George 1
George 1
Reply to  Mr C
1 year ago

Yes. The EVs will work for some time in limited trips. To and from work or to and from the grocery store. Where I would disagree with their usefulness is the long term cost. The batteries will not last long term. When they are no longer useable the car becomes a large appendage with no value. The battery replacement will not be cost effective for most people. The car becomes junk.

Charlie
Charlie
Reply to  George 1
1 year ago

planned obsolescence

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Mr C
1 year ago

Absolutely.

Range is not an issue for normal commutes. Where I work, nearly every dude has a pickup truck as their primary commuter. Call me an eco-fascist, but nobody needs that much metal and oil for a daily commute. If your commute is under 100 miles a day, and you do errands on the weekend, having at least one EVs is fine. I drove a Nissan Leaf 10 years ago and if you have some degree of low-time preference, no problem.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Marko
1 year ago

“nobody needs that much metal and oil for a daily commute”

Who are you to tell people what they “need”? Nobody “”needs” and EV, either. Nobody “needs” a car at all; humans existed for millennia without them.

If YOU want to drive an EV, fine. Nobody’s stopping you. The problem is that people like you think you have the right to dictate that other people do exactly what you have chosen to do.

BerndV
BerndV
Reply to  Marko
1 year ago

To each according to their needs? Not so much an eco fascist as an eco Marxist. Those contemptible pickup truck drivers may actually have other uses for their trucks besides commuting and don’t want to buy, garage, and insure a second car for commuting just to please smug midwits. While a second electric car may save on end user oil and gas, the energy used to charge it along with the mining and production costs to manufacture it easily outweigh the ostensible oco benefit derived from acquiring a second electric car simply for commuting. Try to actually think before you… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Marko
1 year ago

Marko: Woke bs. Once we relocate my husband will no longer have any commute (work remotely from home) and I won’t be going into town more than once every couple of weeks. Regardless of distance, no way an electric vehicle will make it to the end of the 3.5 mile gravel road to our uphill driveway. And even now, in the burbs, we have had to rent pickup trucks (because like fools we sold our older son’s old one years ago) to gift furniture to friends and our kids that we soon won’t have room for.

MiguelinID
MiguelinID
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

“no way an electric vehicle will make it to the end of the 3.5 mile gravel road to our uphill driveway. ” You may be surprised. I live up a mountain dirt road and experience harsh winters. I’ve got an ICE RAM and Jeep but I also have an EV SUV with AWD and air suspension. The EV handles the dirt roads, snow and ice up my mountain as well as my Jeep and better than the RAM. FYI, I got the EV for 2 reasons: 1) fun acceleration and short trips and 2) self-reliance (I’ve got a shit ton… Read more »

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Marko
1 year ago

Jeez, there’s a lot of “muh hemi V8” in the comments today

PeriheliusLux
PeriheliusLux
Reply to  Mr C
1 year ago

If you only use the EEV for around town use, you will never put enough mileage on it to recuperate the energy and emissions invested in making the car. The battery will be useless by then.

If someone wants an EEV, go for it. I have no problem with it. I have a problem with outlawing more affordable options and putting upward price pressure on a huge number of commodities across they supply chain that will increase costs not just of cars, but many goods across the entire economy.

From a materials perspective this project is pure insanity.

B125
B125
1 year ago

It’s more evidence that profits no longer matters to corporations. There is no business case to discontinuing the only 2 Dodge vehicles that have sold in the past 20 years. Remarkably similar to a command economy. They make stuff that nobody needs in the wrong quantities. You can get free, unlimited food at the communist grocery store, but only energy drinks are in stock and there is never any meat. This is driven by smug, urban liberals, who see themselves as the elite. They imagine a future where there are no bad-whites roaming the country roads in big, coal rolling… Read more »

Mike
Mike
Reply to  B125
1 year ago

The upper management clouds at the auto companies don’t really care if they run the companies into the ground. They have all the money they need and golden parachutes so they’re doing what it takes to get the approval of their fellow clouds.

If they can’t sell product and their emplayees lose their jobs it’s no matter to them. One of the worst features of the GAE since WW II has been no penalty for failure. No matter what the elite does they move onward and upward to better things. Mitt Romney and our flag officer approve of this.

Xmen
Xmen
Reply to  Mike
1 year ago

GM got $20 billion from the government in 2009 when it should have gone bankrupt.

Nice “work” if you can get it…

mmack
mmack
Reply to  B125
1 year ago

“There is no business case to discontinuing the only 2 Dodge vehicles that have sold in the past 20 years.” To answer Z’s statement “Recently, whoever owns the Dodge car brand” that is Stellantis: https://www.stellantis.com/en Stellantis is the merger of Fiat Chrysler Automobiles and PSA Group, a French firm centered around Peugeot. (Italian and French cars together. Noodle THAT one out. 🤨) Chrysler came along for the ride because they were tied at the waist to Fiat. “The principal activity of Stellantis is the design, development, manufacture and sale of automobiles bearing its 16 brands of Abarth, Alfa Romeo, Chrysler,… Read more »

Anti-Gnostic
Anti-Gnostic
1 year ago

I’m reminded of the plastic containers disaster. The industry proudly told the regulators they could recycle all the plasticky crap. Turns out a lot of it they can’t, what’s produced isn’t really good for much but being more trash later, and there’s so little demand for recycled plastic it ends up in the landfills or the oceans anyway, where it leaches away forever.

Stupid, greedy Corporate America will tell the Dumbass Government whatever it wants to hear, and what Dumbass Government wants to hear is these stupid and hopelessly inefficient electric toy cars are The Future.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Anti-Gnostic
1 year ago

They should incinerate plastic if they won’t do away with it and people won’t stop consuming it. Probably would be better for the environment.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Anti-Gnostic
1 year ago

ironically, when pop came in bottles America had a widespread recycling system that actually worked.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Anti-Gnostic
1 year ago

Let e again bang the oil drum for garbage gas: superheated steam turns everything with a carbon chain into ultra light, sweet oil (thermal depolymerization).

Trash, fuel, chem; into products, back into energy to make products, a 90% efficiency recycling chain. Plus, we can clean up the trash choking the waters.

Prepackaged TDP plants are being made in India. I’m thinking of outlaw refineries and hobo scrappers here, paid in cash to clean up the trash: the new black market economy. Eventually, pay off the local gangs, aldermen, and city councils in barrels of black market oil and recycling contracts.

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1 year ago

[…] ZMan looks at electric cars. […]

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
1 year ago

The scale of the problem is enormous. The US uses 350 million gallons of gasoline a day. 1 gallon of gasoline has 34kwh electric equivalent. Even after adjusting for efficiency and taking the efficiency at face value, which is not even true, the scale is still enormous. There are like 105 million passenger vehicles in the US. Just how with EVs, the emissions are moved from the tailpipe to the generating station, the inefficiency is also moved mostly out of the car to the generating station and all other aspects of the grid. Even combined cycle gas generation is not… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
1 year ago

I think I heard pharma is another industry that grew out of the problem of what to do with byproducts. Do you know if that’s true?

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 year ago

No. I’ve never heard that, but I don’t know much about pharma.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 year ago

Quick internet search, this is what comes up. Not proof, but it sounds like good evidence:

https://context.capp.ca/articles/2019/feature-petroleum-in-real-life-pills/

Wish I could remember where I heard that.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 year ago

It’s called “Rockefeller medicine”: this is why he created the licensing schools and AMA, so he could push oil-based pharma and allopathic trauma surgery, that is, “cut-and-dope” corporate controlled medicine.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Alzaebo
1 year ago

Funny, I want to say I heard it in an organic chem class in college, but I’m not sure. It was of course presented as a positive thing.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 year ago

Now, let’s not be too hard on either petroleum or Rockerfeller’s ghost. For all its faults, without petroleum and similar feedstocks for industry, for all practical purposes modern life would be impossible.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
1 year ago

But are eBooks really deadend niche items? Libraries across AINO–and other places, I assume–are pulping their printed books, replacing their shelves with “study spaces” and computers, and purchasing digital books. I loathe eBooks, but I fear they are being imposed upon us, largely against our will, just like every other horrendous Leftist innovation.

Severian
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 year ago

Ebooks are huge on campus, but I think that’s because they’re like everything on campus — a huge scam. University Presses are all subsidized, so they can make a lot more money by selling the Ebook at *almost* the price of a physical book, without having to print a physical book. There’s also Etextbook rental, which is an even bigger scam — you get the “book” on your device for the semester for “only” $50, as opposed to an open-ended download for $90. Do the same thing for each new “edition” — meaning, they switched a few commas around on… Read more »

EggsX
EggsX
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

My econ professor added tear-out homework pages in the back of his book. This eliminated all the alternative markets for his book – resale, low cost (made in India), as well as the ebook. He only accepted homework with the correct paper (nonstandard paper) and perforation tearing.

He was an econ professor for a good reason.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

During my many years as a professional student (pardon me, for “enrichment”) I was able to strike back at the evil empire — sort of. It turned out 95% of the time, the “obsolete” older cheaper edition of that required text would do just fine. And for the parts that changed? Just borrow/photocopy a class mate’s or do the same at the library, where there were always reference copies on hand. Obviously this was back in the genuine book days.

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  Severian
1 year ago

Ah, that takes me back to taking my Calculus textbook back to the campus bookstore for their rebuying program. Nope, new edition, apparently that year they must have unearthed some lost texts from Sir Issac Newton that describe a superior ordering of homework problems.

I’ve gotten good use out of these textbooks though over the last 20 years, they make a handy makeshift monitor stand.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 year ago

Ebooks are fine, but I enjoy paper—or did enjoy paper until the eyes went bad with age. Now my ebook presentation devices allow for some amelioration and I continue to read.

What ebooks allow is access to subject matter here-to-fore unavailable because of low demand. Most of the stuff I have read in the last decade or so would have never have been available to me if only on paper. This is *not* a minor thing for those on the DR.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

Correlated: Most of the music I listen to is long “out of print” and would have been unavailable in old fashioned record/CD stores. But thanks to streaming music it’s now just a click away. It’s good for the artists and record companies too, as they weren’t making any money off those old out of print albums before, but now they are, at least a little bit. I hear musicians complain about the meager earnings from streaming, but it must be worth something, judging from how brief Neil Young’s very publicized boycott of Spotify was. And this all matters, both in… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

There is very little music, no matter how old and/or obscure, that you can’t find on CD on eBay. That’s where I get and OWN my music. CDs don’t disappear when some streaming service decides the music isn’t diverse enough or goes belly up.

Mockingbird
Mockingbird
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

“Most of the stuff I have read in the last decade or so would have never have been available to me if only on paper.” This is not just because of low demand. Try finding a paper copy of Camp of the Saints. My digital repository of samizdat is far larger than I could accumulate in paper. The key is they are not “eBooks” in the sense of coming from Amazon, who can indeed control your Kindle. They are primarily PDFs and epubs, with some docx and text files.

mrburns
mrburns
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 year ago

One of the best things about libraries is browsing the books. If libraries go to ebooks it raises the question of why have libraries at all?

KGB
KGB
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

Eliminating the librarian profession wouldn’t be a bad thing. It’s mostly stocked by women and sissies who hate anything free of degenerate conformity.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  KGB
1 year ago

“It reminded me of the one time I tried acid.”

Sounds like an entertaining topic for a blog post!

Speaking of former dates, I dated a lady with a Master’s in library science. When she was working on her degree, most of the students were as crazy liberal as you might imagine. They called her a “lipstick librarian” because she was conventionally feminine.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  KGB
1 year ago

If you’ve been in a library lately you’ll notice that librarians represent the profession most violently resistant to doffing their face nappies.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  KGB
1 year ago

The library at the university where I work has what I call Propaganda Valley. On either side of the main entrance are temporary wall panels bedizened with various items of Leftist hagiography and indoctrination. Given that we’ve just passed MLK Day and are now embarked upon Blak Hisree Mumpf, I don’t suppose I need to tell you the nature of the accursed gauntlet at the present. It is all I can do not to rip all of that garbage to shreds as I walk by.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  KGB
1 year ago

True, but that’s a fairly recent development. Libraries used to be run by professionals. They also employed a lot more males. When I was in grad school in the 1990s there were a bunch of longhaired quasi-hippie dudes whose full-time career was working in the university library. They wore wear flannel shirts and boots while checking out books. Not too long ago libraries were really neutral in terms of content, you could literally read anything. I am blessed to have such a public library system where I live — it’s so good it actually has “The Turner Diaries” and George… Read more »

Iron Maiden
Iron Maiden
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

Controlling the medium of cultural reproduction controls the reproduction of culture. Physical books can be trashed to make way for digital and then digital copies can be conveniently lost or edited. We have already seen movies and TV shows modified to ‘reflect modern sensibilities.’ Physical books are a memory repository that operate as a stumbling block to rewriting history.

Brian Niemeier
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 year ago

The advent of the eBook helped crack the Big 5 publishers’ vertical distribution monopoly. As a result, white male authors the NY houses wouldn’t give the time of day were able to make an end run around the gatekeepers and reach wide audiences. Few talk about it because publishing isn’t as sexy as the film or music industries. But book publishing is the one area where the Right has retaken a decent amount of ground. Before anyone asks, I’m not talking Twitter pundit or self-help grifters. We’re talking mega best sellers like Nick Cole, Jason Anspach, and Chris Kennedy who… Read more »

Eloi
Eloi
1 year ago

I saved this quote for many years (seriously, almost a decade). It is from Boris Alatovkrap, posting on Zerohedge (back when Zerohedge comments were great). “In cave in rural France is painting circa 5000 BC, and is tell story. One day is rain much and lightening is loud and scary. Leader of cave community is explain danger of lightening and is predict end of world if citizenry is not work hard for stopping of lightening. Every citizenry of community must bring it portion of berries and meat for sacrificial god and make incantation. Leader of cave community is so very… Read more »

Wkathman
Wkathman
1 year ago

There is one major upside to eBooks: the ability to carry an entire library on a single device. It’s hard to deny the extreme convenience of that. As a Gen-Xer who spent most of his life reading physical books, however, I prefer print over screen.

Could the push for electric cars possibly be a scheme to impoverish the rabble?

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  Wkathman
1 year ago

I believe the real push is for self-driving cars. If you do not drive yourself, you can only go where they allow you. And, of course, you are always tracked.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Eloi
1 year ago

The tracking doesn’t seem like much of a motive for EVs or self driving. Everyone is already tracked through their phones and their ICE cars. Even if it’s an older ICE car and a driver who left his phone at home, they have the license plate reading cameras out there, more all the time.

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

Yes, I meant that as a bonus. But think of how much our overlords can control your movement if you can only drive where a program allows you to. And, for the record, some of us leave our phones off, but transport is a necessity. And I agree with Z on the library. In my truck, I always keep a Shakespeare play (Twelfth Night, at the moment). That is for waiting somewhere. No one needs that much as one time.

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  Eloi
1 year ago

I should mention that my Folger editions of Shakespeare fit in my jacket pockets. Plus, I annotate my books, a habit I have from good English teachers. I carry a pen and can mark them up as I enjoy. Yes, I realize you can mark up an ebook, but it is not the same.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

The whole library at your disposal begs the question of library content. A whole library of DR material is a valuable resource. If on a flash drive, then it may be distributed with ease.

Somewhere Z-man all of your commentary is being stored. It will come in handy for those not yet on our side of the divide.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

Yep, that is a problem—but one you’ve accepted to chance for the “cause”. We are all in the same boat to a greater or lessor extent.

TripleV
TripleV
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

At the rate this is going the trail phase is going to be bypass directly to burn at the stake.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

I don’t care to carry more than one book with me when traveling, though air travel being what it is I often need more than one. If I have my (big) phone I always have my book(s) to draw upon.

Another point is that I will often draw upon book quotes I’ve highlighted for “sh!tposting”, very helpful in ebook format.

That being said, if the ebook idea was completely scrapped it wouldn’t be the end of the world by any means.

B125
B125
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

E-books are useful because you can download unlimited books for free as pdf’s from various internet sites.

I never really had an issue with them, but eventually switched back to paper books because it just isn’t as satisfying swiping on a tablet and it led to more distractions.

Wkathman
Wkathman
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

Okay. Maybe a whole library is unnecessary. Nonetheless, if you’re the type to bounce back and forth between a dozen or so books at a time, having them all on one device is a lot easier than physically lugging each one around. And again: I prefer a hard copy myself.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Wkathman
1 year ago

Only in a time and place of excessive affluence can a person possess infinite leisure time to read at will and endlessly; and often purely for entertainment and distraction (like watching TV endlessly and automatically). But we are descended from people who got up in the morning not knowing where their next meal would come from and only those sufficiently motivated to seek out food got to survive and reproduce, which was a daily routine we now call work. Are we really advancing as a civilization (or species) when we now carry enormous deadweight among our population; people who just… Read more »

KGB
KGB
1 year ago

Gobekli Tepe? The subject of ancient technology and lost civilizations is one that has much relevance for the DR. Some day, future societies may look at European engineering marvels, festooned with Arabic and African glyphs, and wonder, “Did colored men actually build these or did they inherit them?”

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  KGB
1 year ago

“No longer functioning European engineering marvels,” to be precise.

B125
B125
Reply to  KGB
1 year ago

There’s a reason why there is such a panic around the “Ancient Apocalypse” show as well as the resurgence in Atlantis theories. I can just look at these things, and know who built it. It’s WyPepo. Especially Derinkuyu and the sites in Turkey. Only WyPepo would come up with the crazy but intriguing ideas behind these things. I think our opponents know too, at least on an instinctual level, which explains their discomfort at the ideas. Also, the “Native Americans” were not the first people in the Americas, but that can’t be made widely public because the regime would lose… Read more »

BerndV
BerndV
Reply to  KGB
1 year ago
Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  BerndV
1 year ago

I know your comment was intended as a rhetorical question. Still I cannot resist rhetorically answering. 🙂

A few years back, after a South African airline (?) had gone out of business, a commenter on a blog said something like “We all know why it happened, but we aren’t allowed to say it.”

Anonymous Fake
Anonymous Fake
1 year ago

Electric cars are fine in Asia and ok in Europe except the autobahn. America just has a uniquely horrible amount of suburban sprawl that demands the range and refueling time of an internal combustion engine. But in more dense regions (think Korea or Java) with very short commutes but high pollution, electrics make the most sense.

Even solar cars would work if everyone lived in pods in maximally dense cities, living like a Palestinian. Think about that one.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Anonymous Fake
1 year ago

Downvotes, but keep in mind that Northeast Asia is very oil-poor and short-burst electric transportation can be a good niche workaround.

Iron Maiden
Iron Maiden
Reply to  Anonymous Fake
1 year ago

And yet, who actually wants to live that way?

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
1 year ago

Meanwhile, DoD-sponsored Chicom researchers have raised the efficiency of solar-to-hydrogen production to a scorching 9%:

https://ece.engin.umich.edu/stories/cheap-sustainable-hydrogen-through-solar-power

9% folks, we are saved!

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
1 year ago

“It turns out that we are plagued by these moral crusades and panics because the people behind them are like drug addicts. For them, modernity is an opium den in which the are condemned to chase the dragon for eternity. It is why during Covid so many of them had that same dead expression in their eyes you see from addicts. With their mask firmly on, they were in the only space where they were both free from the agony of desire and the ecstasy of the narcotic high.” Opiates of the masses, indeed. In their own way, these types… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
1 year ago

Re: link to Peters.

“There is a creepy consanguinity between the marketing and selling of the “masks” and then “vaccines” – and the marketing and selling of electric vehicles. It makes you wonder whether there might be a relationship . . .”

Once or twice the plague, I saw a masked person driving a Tesla, and it struck me as funny how neither had a face lol.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 year ago

*during* the plague ugh

dr_mantis_toboggan_md
Member
1 year ago

Electric cars and “trucks” are worse than useless, except in certain, tightly-defined niches. They’re incredibly wasteful on a cross country trip, since you’ll have to waste your time waiting for your glorified golf cart to charge for an hour or more every few hundred miles. Also, if you read the small print, you’ll find one of these “rapid” chargers can damage the battery with repeated use. Internal combustion engines are so much more efficient and cheaper to boot. It takes 5 minutes to refill the average gas tank. They can last for hundreds of thousands of miles if the oil… Read more »

mmack
mmack
Reply to  dr_mantis_toboggan_md
1 year ago

“It’s depressing about Dodge. Those Hemis sound very sweet.” Last fall I traded my Ford Mustang in on a later model Dodge Challenger. All black, including the wheels and minimal chrome on the car. No big audacious stripes and blacked out windows. I’ve had two compliments on my car’s appearance in the last week from my wife’s friend who saw the car in our driveway, and a complete stranger who saw me park and exit it and told me “That is a BEAUTIFUL car!” Goodness knows what Stellantis, the Automotive Isle of Misfit Toys that owns Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, and… Read more »

Mike
Mike
Reply to  mmack
1 year ago

I also have a Challenger, in my case a much brighter color with matte black hood. It gets compliments every time a I drive it and can be crazy fast if you let it. Its been very reliable and is a hoot to drive. I used to do the European car thing, I broke myself of that habit on a cross-country drive when I realized it would have been a lot better in a V8 muscle car.

Around here the melannin enhance prefer BMW, Lexus, Audi and MB for some reason. That’s another reason I got out of Euro cars.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Mike
1 year ago

By Euro, I guess you mean engineered in Europe. Would not surprise me if most parts are made elsewhere.

Lexus is Japanese. It looks like a Euro car but actually works.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  dr_mantis_toboggan_md
1 year ago

Forgetting the yet unsolved problem of fueling and storing “electrons”, the EV vehicle concept is a amazing advance wrt performance and maintenance. (Yep, that’s being said by a person who drives a turbo charged pickup truck which runs on good old gasoline.) That’s what will cause their (EV) widespread adoption when the main problem of the “battery” and recharging are solved. Think about it. Put a motor on each wheel. The torque derived. The 0-60 times. The lack of moving parts in an ICE vehicle and no transmission to boot. No oil changes to forget about. Drive one and see.… Read more »

Mike
Mike
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

You’re forgetting weight and safety problems with EV cars and especially trucks. My industry depends on trucking and although I don’t know for sure, payloads of tractor trailers will probably be lessened by 10-15000 pounds to account for battery weight. It won’t take long before you’ll have to add to your fleet to make the same volume of shipments.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Mike
1 year ago

No, I excluded the present *problem* of current battery technology. One of those problems is indeed weight. Now of course, one can be accused of unrealistic assumptions in order to make the argument. I accept that criticism. But I also maintain that I’ve not told anyone to go out and buy the damn thing either.

PeriheliusLux
PeriheliusLux
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

The electric motor and torque applied directly to the wheels is amazing. Only the small part about the source of energy is a problem. The lack of moving parts is cool. But the mechanically complicated ICE is now engineered to last way longer than the simpler drive train of the EEV. Those pesky batteries don’t last. The EEV is kind of emblematic of our time. In isolation, zoomed way in it is this fantastical whiz-bang thing. Zoomed out and looked at in context from a practical perspective it is almost absurd. The datastore engines at Facebook are amazing as are… Read more »

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  dr_mantis_toboggan_md
1 year ago

But there is good news
“In Q4 2022, typical mid-priced ICE (Internal Combustion Engine) car drivers paid about $11.29 to fuel their vehicles for 100 miles of driving. That cost was around $0.31 cheaper than the amount paid by mid-priced EV drivers charging mostly at home, and over $3 less than the cost borne by comparable EV drivers charging commercially,” Anderson Economic Group (AEG) said in an analysis.
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/fuel-costs-electric-vehicles-overtake-gas-powered-cars-study

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
1 year ago

Ebooks can be altered, or their license revoked after purchase. But no one reads eBooks much anyway, except for pulp fiction.

Electric cars can have their software updated after purchase, much of “your” e-car is technically under license and is alterable by the true owner. But no one drives their e-car much anyway, because charging hassles, so it’s nowhere near as practical as a IC car.

Pay more. Get less. It’s never really yours anyway.

I’m starting to see a pattern here.

dr_mantis_toboggan_md
Member
Reply to  ProZNoV
1 year ago

Some carmakers are doing subscription services for heated and cooled seats. Haven’t paid your shekels to the company store? No more heated and cooled seats for you!

And what’s to stop governments from shutting down your car for whatever excuse they can muster?

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  dr_mantis_toboggan_md
1 year ago

They don’t need an “excuse” as in demanding the auto maker disable your vehicle, or all vehicles. The new law passed wrt building back better (via credit card) has a section in it requiring all cars made in the near term future to have a dIsabling ability built in and provided to the local law enforcement agencies. What can go wrong…

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  ProZNoV
1 year ago

> Electric cars can have their software updated after purchase, much of “your” e-car is technically under license and is alterable by the true owner.

If you want to know what a dystopian hellscape looks like, see what they did to tractors.

https://www.csoonline.com/article/3661434/remote-bricking-of-ukrainian-tractors-raises-agriculture-security-concerns.html

Imagine someone bricking your car because you didn’t update your software.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 year ago

Chet: I’ve been reading online complaints about John Deere tractors and all their proprietary software for months now. No tinkering, must be taken to authorized dealer for any and all updates, etc. Bricking of cars is definitely the future. As others have noted, all cars’ black boxes already track your speed, trajectory, location, etc. – and those who believe they’re not already being monitored are those still wearing masks while driving ‘their’ vehicles. I use my kindle for cheap fiction that I don’t choose to buy a paper copy of – and I don’t trust Amazon in the least –… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

One is confusing “ebooks” and the concept with Amazon’s “Kindle” device and Amazon’s support of such. One does not need Amazon for electronic book publication and reading.

The universal standard for publication is “epub”. Kindle now reads epub formatted books and there are several programs available to read such formatted publications, are well as reading/converting “doc” and “PDF” formatted papers.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  ProZNoV
1 year ago

The aspect of computer controlled vehicles—and who owns/controls the software involved—is not solely a problem of EV’s. All vehicles, including ICE, for at *least* the last decade have the same problem. I drive a 9 yo Jeep. It has perhaps a half dozen *main* computers to control all the crap for pollution as well as engine and transmission.

usNthem
usNthem
1 year ago

At first, I thought the e books were kind of cool – order the tome and it shows up on the kindle like magic. After a while, I got sick of them. It turns out I like turning pages and going back to possibly re-read a previous passage, or jumping ahead to the index – all cumbersome with a kindle. So no more for me. Oh, and happy first day of black history mumph – only 27 more to go, although, frankly 27 minutes would be plenty.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  usNthem
1 year ago

In AINO, every mumpf is blak hisree mumpf. February is unique only in that it is officially designated as such.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 year ago

The problem with BHM is that it stretches out a “story” that can be adequately told in a day! 😉

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

I got an email from the increasingly vile Red Cross the other day asking me to donate blood in honor of BHM, for which they’d give me a $10 Amazon card. However, they reccomended that I then use that $10 to support a black-owned business.

If ever an organization deserved to be exsanguinated…

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  KGB
1 year ago

Yeah, I stopped donating after 9/11 when I found out they were not using all the solicited funds for the 9/11 “victims’, but rather buying new computer systems and holding back some of the money for “future” emergencies. That was probably my first sense of an organization’s grifting the public.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  KGB
1 year ago

If it’s a major institution in AINO, it is part of the anti-white power structure. And all the big charities are major instutitions.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

Blacks are historical only to the extent that they are in contact with historical peoples, i.e. Muslims and whites. Without us, they’re nothing more than illiterate savages scrabbling for grubs in the jungle.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  usNthem
1 year ago

usNthem: I resisted getting a kindle for a long time, but now I find it extremely convenient. But, like you, I like to re-read passages and find it difficult to find things I remember but took no note of the electronic ‘page’ number. I really enjoy the ebook’s portability – if I have to wait in the car for any reason or at the doctor or anywhere else. Everyone else is pecking at their phones; I read my kindle. And as an old fart, I greatly appreciate the ability to change the font size and the backlighting feature.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  3g4me
1 year ago

The problem with paper books is that what I wanted/needed to read was no longer “in print” and was in these times of repression impossible to attain short of traveling to another country and searching their libraries.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

Compsci: That, too. I got very tired of trying to get books via inter-library loan and having to go through the woke librarian and the vibrant residents playing games on all the library computers. Amazon, for all its many flaws, eliminated that problem for me. We have hard copies of a number of dissident tomes – even got a few replacements after hubby left one on a plane three years ago.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
1 year ago

Fun facts about how dumb EVs are: Apparently EVs eat tires 20% faster due to the extra weight from the batteries and instant torque from the motors. It’s known that fast charging cables are attractive targets for copper thieves. To reduce the amount of copper used, some stations are using lighter gauge wires that are underrated for the current being passed. Great, except the lighter gauge wires suffer resistive losses that create a significant temperature rise. So, these cables are already less efficient. The brilliant engineering solution to the temp rise is to place a cooling jacket around the cables.… Read more »

George 1
George 1
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 year ago

The EV batteries cannot be recycled economically. It is possible but only at great expense.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

As Z notes, this will never end. It can’t. The addiction is feeling morally superior to the rubes, particularly, white working and middle class. This naturally requires them to always be out in front of normal people on some issue, whether gay marriage, transgender, EV, etc. But it also requires them to pick something Normies resist against, at least at first. As always with these people, they not only need to be different (and, thus, in their minds better) but also need an antagonist to make them the hero in their story. Normies play the role of the ignorant and… Read more »

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

“The addiction is feeling morally superior to the rubes,” which Citizen notes, seems to be inbuilt into whites, perhaps most strongly in the Puritan strain. We can only manage this problem, not solve it.

Is this quality common to all races? Is there any race that has it worse than us?

Universal male conscription seems like it might reduce this tendency. Is there an equivalent social program for the ladies to reduce this tendency?

A failed painter addressed this issue explicitly.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  LineInTheSand
1 year ago

“A failed painter addressed this issue explicitly.”

Another example of how he borrowed from the Anglos. Scouting is good. Shame what happened to it.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  LineInTheSand
1 year ago

How well would universal conscription work in a nation where approximately 15% of Whites, 30% of Browns and 40% of Blacks are too dumb to meet even the low bar of roughly 8th grade level education/IQ? And I haven’t even gotten into health issues (obesity, drug use) and criminal record.

The Bell Curve always exists, although it’ll vary for different populations, times and places. Mustache Man had a far higher quality population to draw upon. So did we.

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
1 year ago

I’ve always felt Musk was nothing more than a cynical and opportunistic huckster who knew how to milk the US government, and by implication the US taxpayer. These are tech panaceas being proposed as a response to problems created by tech. It’s said that the devil proposes fake solutions to real problems and I feel that’s the case here. The oil age is gradually coming to an end and there’s no replacement for oil. I’m reminded of Alice Friedemann’s little book, “When Trucks Stop Running.” We’re in for an era of degrowth and the siren song of electric vehicles and… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Arshad Ali
1 year ago

I’ve shifted from using AWFL to AFL.

It’s become clear that the problem hysterical component of Western society is not limited to one ethnicity.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Arshad Ali
1 year ago

Good analysis. At the risk of sounding cheeky, you might be entirely correct, that it will be “nothing” that replaces oil. Of course, that is not the choice most people would vote for. Problem is, Reality is not democratic and will impose whatever comes next whether the voters like it or not. Optimists will wish for a miracle new energy source, perhaps fusion, that would indeed seem a miracle. That would indeed be welcome but it remains wishful thinking. An overlooked issue is how quickly a change happens; usually slow is easier to manage/accept. That would seem the normal case… Read more »

ArthurinCali
1 year ago

The standard long haul semi-truck has a range of almost 2000 miles with full tanks. Last I checked, the current E-trucks are getting at best, 300 miles on a full charge. In what world is this a feasible system for national transportation of goods? For example, every morning at my workplace there is a line of semi-trucks loaded down with replacement aircraft parts that are repaired on the east coast. These trucks drop off the fixed parts then load up faulty ones for the 2800 mile trip back to the repair facility. Anyone who preaches the gospel of EV as… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  ArthurinCali
1 year ago

That’s just the beginning. Think of what you’d need to do to the power grid to allow everyone to have an EV. It’s laughably impossible, and everyone, including non-tech people like myself, know it.

At some point, this fad will die out if for no other reason than reality will punch it in the face. But it won’t matter. The ruling class control the microphone so the whole affair will be shoved down the memory hole.

ArthurinCali
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

Meanwhile, real problems are not being addressed.

‘Colorado River in Crisis’
https://www.latimes.com/environment/story/colorado-river-in-crisis

Mycale
Mycale
1 year ago

I once took a road trip with someone in my normal car who then took a shorter road trip with someone in an EV. I asked him which is preferable and without a moment’s hesitation, the answer was the normal car, no hesitation. Actually, the EV road trip sounded horrible. First of all, you have to plan your whole trip around the chargers. The range is not as long as they say it is, so you have to take relatively frequent 30+ minute breaks, usually in a barren parking lot. If the charging station is non-operational (more common than you’d… Read more »

dr_mantis_toboggan_md
Member
Reply to  Mycale
1 year ago

The next thing will be “Oh, sorry, but the grid can’t handle all of the EVs charging, so we’re going to curtail when you can charge your EV.”

Then the next will be “Oh, sorry, but EVs are actually bad for the environment. So no more EVs. Ride the bus or a bike or walk, prole.”

Mow Noname
Mow Noname
Reply to  Mycale
1 year ago

“they want us in a pod and eating the bug…”

Goodwhites really don’t care where you live or what you eat: they just want you silent, out of sight or dead (the last would be the easiest for them).

…unless the power goes out, a pipe breaks or a jogger robs you at gunpoint.

Be strong. Be prepared. Tighten up your groupings. Make real friends in your neighborhood. Pray.

PeriheliusLux
PeriheliusLux
Reply to  Mow Noname
1 year ago

They don’t care if a jogger robs you at gunpoint. You should not have caused the jogger to internalize white supremacy which caused the jogger to rob you.

Learn the rules Mow – though they can and will change.