Winter In Kiev

The war in Ukraine is heading into the winter with the great counter-offensive all but officially declared a great failure. After six months of attacks, the Ukrainians gained a small sliver of ground in the south and lost a large swath of territory in the north, along with billions in Western equipment. Outside of small ventures to keep up appearances, Ukraine is no longer conducting offensive operations. The big question that looms over all of it is what comes next for Ukraine?

The place to start is the battlefield. The Russians have the initiative everywhere now and they seem to be preparing the battlefield for winter. They are about to take the fortress city of Avdeevka in Donetsk and there are reports that they have fire control of the key logistics hub in the north called Kupyansk. There are also increasing reports of desertions on the Ukrainian side as the Russians press them nonstop. Right now, the Ukraine army is doing what it can to hold its positions.

This is an untenable position for Ukraine as the politics of this war are such that they must always be looking like they have the initiative. This is why so much time and money were invested in the public relations system. Ukraine needed to look like it was winning the war and that meant flooding Western media with stories about Ukrainian success on the battlefield. Stories about Ukrainians desperately clinging to bombed out fortress cities is poison for the public relations system.

There are three angles to the politics. One is the internal politics of Ukraine, which at this point is the struggle between the military, Zelensky and the secret police, all of whom have friends in Washington. It is assumed they need to be showing progress on the battlefield in order to keep the money flowing. The fallback plan in these cases is always the same and that is find a scapegoat. You blame that guy for the failures and buy another round of funding the operation.

Rumors out of Kiev suggest Zelensky wants to fire his top general, Zaluzhnyi, and the head of operations in the south, Oleksandr Syrskyi. Last week there were rumors that both had been arrested then there were rumors that they were in hiding. Officially, nothing has happened, but Zelensky no longer uses their names in public, instead referring to their titles. That is the only hard evidence that something is happening, but it confirms that there is a rift of some sort.

For his part, Zaluzhnyi has made no bones about telling Western media that the offensive failed and the situation is dire. The reason to do this is to publicly undermine Zelensky who always insists that things are going great in the war. The result here is you have Zelensky trying to pin the blame on Zaluzhnyi, while Zaluzhnyi tries to undermine the credibility of Zelensky. You do not have to be a political genius to see where this is heading if things deteriorate much further.

This is why CIA director William Burns was sent to Kiev last week. One school of thought says he was sent to calm the situation, while another school of thought says he was sent to get a frank assessment of what is happening. This seems strange, given that the whole war is a Washington operation, but it is clear that the Ukrainians have not been entirely forthright with Washington. This is most likely at the behest of the State Department, which has been running things on the side.

That brings up the second political angle. Washington has been poached in a warm bath of public relations nonsense for two years, so the reality of the war is now just starting to appear in the media. With an election on the horizon and Biden in serious trouble, mentally and politically, bad news from Ukraine is very bad news. That is probably part of what Burns is up to in Kiev. If the White House needs to abandon the Ukraine project, they need a plan to do it.

The third political angle is the money. The Ukraine project is and has been a very lucrative money laundering operation. This means it has a very large lobbying effort behind it, so cutting off the money will be difficult. On the other hand, sending unknown billions through a failing operation, one that could be overrun by the Russian army very soon, is a tough sell even for Washington. Therefore, pressure is on to produce a new winning narrative to keep the money flowing.

This is why the Republicans are going to move heaven and earth to get fresh cash into the money laundering system. If the cash runs out, not only does the money laundering end, but it also means the end of Ukraine in a hurry. Ukraine no longer has a functioning economy and it is no longer able to pay for its own government services. If money from Washington and Brussels stops flowing, Ukraine will collapse in weeks. This kills project Ukraine for future money laundering.

The result of all this is all the players now see the status quo as the only workable option, even if the battlefield reality says otherwise. Zelensky knows he cannot kill Russians with dollar bills, but dollar bills keep him alive. At the same time, Washington thinks they can pretend it is a stalemate as long as Zelensky remains in charge, so giving him money works for them. Of course, the money laundering machine wants the cash to keep flowing for its own sake.

The trouble is the reality on the battlefield. The Ukrainians officially mobilized three quarters of a million men. They have less than half that number remaining. There are pictures of girls and old men turning up dead in trenches now. There is only so much damage an army can take before it begins to crack. The politics of the war point to maintaining the status quo, but the reality of it is pointing to collapse. That is what lies ahead for Ukraine in 2024.


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Vxxc
Vxxc
10 months ago

Johnson; I’m hetero, perhaps the audience can help? Is Johnson Top or Bottom?

The GAYDAR 🦄📡🌈📡 isn’t fine tuned enough to return that clear a signature, and it ain’t gonna be either.

“Mr. Speaker, I’m only here to take a leak.”

Jim in Alaska
Member
10 months ago

I’m against seizing and freezing someone else’s money, be that someone a person or a nation it just ain’t right. Putin and Russia, in my opinion made every effort to be part of the west, we locked up their, safely in a bank cash and, no other words for it, drove then in to a strong alliance with China. Sadly, in the long run I think that’s a far better position for Russia to be in rather than just another client state in the, let them all eat bugs, great New World order. Actually in the very long run, it… Read more »

Guest
Guest
Member
Reply to  Jim in Alaska
10 months ago

Forcing us to see what we’ve become..

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Jim in Alaska
10 months ago

If I recall correctly, G. Washington refused to freeze assets of the enemy held in the US during the revolutionary war precisely for that reason – as a fledgling nation, he did not want to destroy the credibility/trust of the US with the rest of the world. Granted, we are still strong enough (for now) to bully others, but those days are quickly disappearing. How much of our “strength” is a paper tiger is another issue. But as for credibility/trust, that is long gone, not sure if it can be regained. I guess the US is still “trusted” because there… Read more »

trackback
10 months ago

[…] ZMan is not optimistic. […]

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
10 months ago

Anyone find it amusing that the US has to make the entire payroll and pension obligations of Ukraine, while mayor of NYC has announced cuts to police and schools to pay for the illegal aliens infesting his city. And when he complains too loudly the Geheimestaatspolizie show up for a “helpful” investigation? Don’t get me wrong NYC invited them so it a FAFO exercise—but I guess Adams can’t recycle enough of the aid money he’s been asking for into the right pockets.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  SamlAdams
10 months ago

SamlAdams: Your point about funding aliens before putative Americans is valid. If NY were still – by any possible metric – an American city, I might possibly give a small f**k. But it is inhabited by nothing but dindus, south and east Asians, mestizos from throughout South America, Haitians, Dominicans, various varieties of middle-men money lenders (Jewish, Armenian, Greek, etc.) and a smattering of Ellis Island ethnics who cling to the ruins.

Wall it all off and wait it out. Salt the earth, and wait another decade or so before razing the ruins and possibly rebuilding.

Snooze
Snooze
Reply to  3g4me
10 months ago

The term of art is ethnic white, not Ellis island ethnic. The borough of Staten Island is an ethnic white stronghold, and hardly a ruin. The best pizza in New York for starters.

Xin Loi
Xin Loi
Reply to  3g4me
10 months ago

“But it is inhabited by nothing but dindus, south and east Asians, mestizos from throughout South America, Haitians, Dominicans, various varieties of middle-men money lenders (Jewish, Armenian, Greek, etc.) and:..”

2.9 million white Americans. Lagos, it ain’t

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  SamlAdams
10 months ago

Sam is right in that decisions like these could not make the priorities of our elites any clearer. Add to that the fact that San Francisco was able to clean its streets of homeless settlements in preparation for the visit by the Chinese leader. This has prompted white progressive retards to ask, “If you can clean up the streets for this event, why won’t you clean them up for us? Because they hate whites, even progressives. It could not be clearer, yet there are none so blind as those who refuse to see. (My liberal friends who had to flee… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  LineInTheSand
10 months ago

I’ve heard it said that “the president should always be at least a little bit more conservative than you yourself are,” and along those lines, it’s possible some leftists kind of unconsciously took it for granted that their political leaders always would be, since it had been thus for so long.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
10 months ago

A prez more conservative than me would be some sort of singularity that warped the space-time continuum beyond all possible recognition.

Pozymandias
Reply to  LineInTheSand
10 months ago

A lot of the problem with the Left Coast in general is that the “leadership” never understood that the magic variable in the California success formula was not x, y, or z but w – for weather. Cali has been able, for decades, to pursue policies that, were the climate more like the rest of the country, would have caused it to lose population like Ukraine has been instead of just the slow bleed they’ve seen. Normies, even normie Whites, still move there from all over the country just for sunshine and warm weather. So the state succeeded in the… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  LineInTheSand
10 months ago

Obviously it was simply to put on a show for Xi, like when you clean house just before the guests arrive for the party.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
10 months ago

Money laundering? Certainly.

BUT. FOR. WHAT?

We’re not talking about a few million for the big guy, or to raise Raytheon stock .25cents a share.

US gov raised black budgets with the “arms for hostages” and generic weapons sales to fund a war in Nicaragua in the 1980’s.

I understand the Ukraine war to drain Russia (not working), make Germany our bitch (working and then some), maybe to control global energy markets.

But where is the money going? What national level goal is all this slush going?

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  ProZNoV
10 months ago

I think the upper level grifters–think Blackrock, Raytheon–are converting the bribes and graft into hard assets. The Ho’s and Help in Congress are getting just enough to do a small-scale version. It is a hedge against devalued fiat currency, which continues to lose worth.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Jack Dodson
10 months ago

IDK.

This kind of cash isn’t to add a few lake houses to the personal portfolio.

This kind of grift is enough to fund a private army.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  ProZNoV
10 months ago

Ah, yes, I think we have a winner.

And that saying about everything old being new again? Warlordism is kinda old, no?

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  ProZNoV
10 months ago

Yes, we have a winnah!

Everything old is new again, the old saw has it. Warlordism is pretty old, no?

guest
guest
Reply to  ProZNoV
10 months ago

weaponry for the arriving army is where the money/munitions have been going.

miforest
miforest
Reply to  guest
10 months ago

nonsense , most is being stolen away into offshore accounts .

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
10 months ago

In his discussion of the money side of the conflict, I was surprised that Z Man did not mention that the Israel-Hamas conflict will require a flood of money from the USA as well, which will likely compete with the flow of money to Ukraine. Granted, our elites are willing to print unlimited money for both of these conflicts, but I would guess that Israel’s claim on that money will take precedence.

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
10 months ago

Off topic— Since I assume everyone here is an unapologetic libertarian. 😎 The first -real- libertarian to be elected in a very very long time has had his day in Argentina. This is not the milquetoast US libertarian that Z makes fun of on the regular. This appears to be an actual fire-breathing “fuck all your rules” libertarian which is why they are collectively pissing themselves both here & abroad. Javier Milei won their election in Argentina, Mr. 70s Porno Hair, and the leftists are already calling him “far right” even though he is anything but. This is why I… Read more »

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Apex Predator
10 months ago

We have a local low-level pol who is a libertarian and thus far he fits the Z libertarian maxim of “there when you don’t need him, gone when you do”. To say he’s a libertarian is to say that he already has a strong intellectual reason for complete surrender.

miforest
miforest
Reply to  Apex Predator
10 months ago

with all due respect to the pauls, theyliberatarian party is a complete cuckfest of the highest order.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Apex Predator
10 months ago

Hope he’s gonna be a real beast

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
10 months ago

Sorry Apex he’s going to be a total dud; he is pro pervert marriage, gender freakshow and all that jazz. We need firmness on cultural cancer issues, not “knock yourself out” He’s in their camp on cultural cancer issues. Just not going to work

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Javier_Milei

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
10 months ago

Of course he’s pro-GloboHeauxmeaux. He’s a libertarian, for chrissakes.

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
10 months ago

Oh I don’t doubt your take. My point was not that he was some “ultra based” radical. It was exactly the -opposite- of that. He is something different, and -anything- different is “far right” in the hivemind of globalist bugmen no matter what country they hail from.

He is eccentric though which often means unpredictable. So anything that may upset the status quo (like Trump) is generally better than maintaining it. But, yes, I don’t think Argentinians are going to be throwing Roman Salutes anytime soon.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Apex Predator
10 months ago

Hopefully he can ruffle a lot of feathers in the Karen coop. Maybe it’ll be a real popcorn show??

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Apex Predator
10 months ago

Apex – more bad news: “Prior to entering politics, he spent 13 years working for Eduardo Eurnekian, the fourth richest man in Argentina. This relationship reportedly had a heavy influence on Milei. Milei’s first television appearances were on a station partly owned by Eurnekian. According to the Financial Times “Several of Eurnekian’s former employees are part of Milei’s top team, including his rumoured picks for interior minister and cabinet chief.” Eurnekian is a Jewish-Armenian immigrant who is chairman of the Wallenberg Foundation – a Holocaust charity. Milei has stated one of his first priorities as President will be to move… Read more »

Xin Loi
Xin Loi
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
10 months ago

Hoping for Argentina he’s NOT the “real deal”. Libertarianism is a great system for white teenage boys with IQs >120, as I once was. I paid LP dues for 15 years. I voted for Ed Clark – I know what it’s all about.

It’s also a great system for criminals.

I suspect Argentina has few of the former and plenty of the latter.

We live, as they say, in a society.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Apex Predator
10 months ago

Apex: I’ve read various takes on Milei. If I were an Argentinian nationalist, my main concern – along with inflation – would be the massive immigration due to open borders there. Where once Argentina had a solid plurality of European people (Italians, Spanish, Germans), it is now filled with Bolivian indios, various other mestizos, and increasing numbers of Africans. Not to mention, it has had small hats running its press since the 1940s. Not making any predictions and will wait and see, of course, but I trust no politician, either elected or appointed. Bolsonaro seemed legit, given he was 100%… Read more »

Jannie
Jannie
Reply to  3g4me
10 months ago

Bolsonaro was 100% subverted by the political and media system, like Trump, and quite possibly electoral fraud as well (like Trump). Brazilians with money are looking to get out, as Lula is raising taxes sharply on them in order to buy more votes among his constituency.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Jannie
10 months ago

Jannie: Yes, from what I read/saw it seemed like the same sort of bureaucratic forces and global money men who opposed Trump here forced out Bolsonaro. They didn’t succeed in having him stabbed to death, but they got rid of him just the same. And in Brazil (just as in AINO/Brazil del Norte) there are too many mixed race/poor who want a handout. It’s really a shame, because Brazil has the natural resources to be a much wealthier country, but it lacks the human capital.

Ulithi
Ulithi
Reply to  3g4me
10 months ago

3g: As He said….”Brazil is the country of the future…and always will be.”

Xin Loi
Xin Loi
Reply to  3g4me
10 months ago

The next big thing for Indios and Mestizos alike will be Islam. It’s perfectly suited for them, and also for the reverse reconquista of Alta California, Tejas, and the rest.

Montefrío
Member
Reply to  3g4me
10 months ago

I’ve been living in Argentina for the past 20 years, am bilingual and have an Argentine dtr-in-law and three Argentine grandchildren. I was active in the Milei campaign and will be actively involved in forming a coalition of small parties on the local, “county” and provincial levels. I feel confident that I can comment from a point of view that’s reasonably knowledgeable, One aspect of the election that is little commented upon outside the country has to do with the incoming vice-president, Victoria Villaruel, a Traditional Catholic (SSPX) from a military family that is as “right-wing” as they come here.… Read more »

Stranger in a Strange Land
Stranger in a Strange Land
Reply to  Montefrío
10 months ago

Montefrio: muy interesante.
Keep us posted please.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Montefrío
10 months ago

Fascinating stuff. I have a question: did Milei take an immigration position that cracks down on those flooding in from Paraguay, Boliva, Venezuela, etc., or was it standard libertarian pablum?

Thanks for the on-the-ground report!

miforest
miforest
Reply to  Montefrío
10 months ago

I wish you the best of luck . grndchildren are a tremdous blessing

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  3g4me
10 months ago

The guy who really means business will not have entered by the ballot

Snooze
Snooze
Reply to  3g4me
10 months ago

Milei: born Catholic, just converted to Judaism.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Apex Predator
10 months ago

The only people who may possibly qualify as far right are us, and the Left doesn’t even know we exist. Thus, by their severely truncated and warped frame of reference, this Milei guy really is “far right.”

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
10 months ago

I think you’re right. If they were aware we existed, they’d call for a national mobilization to exterminate us.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
10 months ago

Libs vaguely hear about our nefarious “ideology” from their media/leaders but they never encounter us anywhere, so they attribute exaggerated versions of our positions to normal conservatives—who with few exceptions are just a lower class of liberal Christians.

Conservatives hear about our nefarious “ideology” from those accusatory libs, never encounter us anywhere, and endlessly, fruitlessly defend themselves against being identified with us, alienating almost everybody in the process.

All very productive.

usNthem
usNthem
10 months ago

Apparently, there is no amount of death and destruction that’ll sway the evil, corrupt money laundering bastards and bastardettes that run the US government. As long as they get their filthy lucre, it’s all good. You’d think the Ukrainian people would have had enough by now, but I guess not. As for the American people, your tax dollars at work for you…

miforest
miforest
Reply to  usNthem
10 months ago

the ukrainian people are broke and disarmed. Ruled by a puppet gov. with an iron fist. exactly what should they do? They have had enough a long time ago. There’s just nothing they can do about it .

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  miforest
10 months ago

Ehh… my wife has a lot of family and friends there. She has said the overwhelming majority of their social network believe in Zelensky (despite the bodies piling up).

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Eloi
10 months ago

The majority of people believed in covid despite the bodies not piling up. People will believe whatever their personal circumstances dictate they believe. The ones who didn’t believe in this ukraine war left a long time ago, the only ones left are the true believers and those who couldn’t escape.

miforest
miforest
Reply to  miforest
10 months ago

maybe you guys are correct. I forgot how completely duped and brainwashed almost everybody I know was by covid. it may be an error to believe they have a realistic view of their own genocide.

Krustykurmudgeon
Krustykurmudgeon
10 months ago

Has anyone seen the new documentary “the fall of Minneapolis”?

There is a lot of stuff that seemed suspicious as hell about the Floyd thing. Like how did the case supernova from an untimely death to a full blown riot within three days?

I feel there has to be some collusion between various parties. Someone should try to foia all the relevant parties to see what was being discussed. Is it possible the media had the entire bodycam video and intentionally withheld exculpatory information?

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Krustykurmudgeon
10 months ago

No question it was an op. The dry run immediately before was Ahmaud Arbery, who was too unappealing to focus on. Still, three white political prisoners were tried and imprisoned by the American Regime for a justifiable homicide.

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  Krustykurmudgeon
10 months ago

“Like how did the case supernova from an untimely death to a full blown riot within three days?” You can blame the press for that. They immediately painted a very unrealistic picture for the public. People watched a video with people pleading to the cops “you’re killing him” and then he actually died. They also insisted, despite video evidence to the contrary, that cops were on his neck. It make the whole thing look premeditated and callus. Of course, the reality is that had Floyd not been high on Fentanyl/dope (which suppresses breathing) and sick with covid along with having… Read more »

krustykurmudgeon
krustykurmudgeon
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
10 months ago

well that’s the thing. We all know what a deepfake is. But that belies the fact that we already have a defacto deepfake – i.e. lying by omission.

This is a difficult thing because I’ve always admired people like Kunstler and Darrow in there defense of the first amendment. What I’m worried about is that the media could cause a “war of the worlds” type incident (look it up, it happened in 1938) and cause something truly catastrophic to happen.

Boarwild
Boarwild
Reply to  krustykurmudgeon
10 months ago

KK –

“What I’m worried about is that the media could cause a “war of the worlds” type incident (look it up, it happened in 1938) and cause something truly catastrophic to happen.”

Precisely. Like finding any reason to put off/stall/cancel the 2024 election under some bogus pretense. They can’t hand over power to Trump; they know if they do their goose is cooked. Think they’re going to pull out all the stops on this & the “media” will be 110% in the tank for it.

Hope I’m wrong but I wouldn’t put anything “off limits” to this fascist cabal.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Boarwild
10 months ago

What makes you think Trump in office would cook the media’s goose? He had plenty of opportunities to cook many geese while in office and didn’t do sweet Fatty Arbuckle.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Boarwild
10 months ago

I’m not following on why they’d be any more vulnerable to Trump the 2nd time around than they were the 1st

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  Boarwild
10 months ago

Ostel, what’s your take on Fatty Arbuckle? You think he did it? Not? I know he was a Hollywood degenerate. But he was dead before either of my parents were born. I only first heard of him a few years ago.

miforest
miforest
Reply to  krustykurmudgeon
10 months ago

the floyd incedent was a preplanned incedent just like that. Those riots were orgainzed and preplanned . there were videos all over youtube, rumble and odysee of prepossitioned pallets of bricks, and police always ordered to stand down. there were also a number of videos of Locals peacefully protesting , then a couple of young , athletic looking white guys in full black garb would show up. carrying umbrellas to and wearing blalclavas they would start hammering windows to get the real destriction started. The signs they carried were professionally printed im many cases and brought in in rented trucks… Read more »

krustykurmudgeon
krustykurmudgeon
Reply to  miforest
10 months ago

so you’re saying there are sleeper cells in a lot of cities?

That would be an interesting thing to try and infiltrate these guys and try to catch them in the act and see if they are receiving information from some high up command.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  miforest
10 months ago

krusty: And even if you had clear, unquestionable evidence of official collusion, what would it change? Ever seen the Jan 6 tapes? What about the Covid collusion? It does not matter the issue or the facts or the ‘proof.’ Still relying on ‘rule of law’ or rationality in AINO is a boomer cuckservatard’s game.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  miforest
10 months ago

3g, no amount of treason, corruption or anything would have any effect. Because they are all guilty. It’s a racket, a regime, a conspiracy. What it’s not is a legitimate system for our benefit

krustykurmudgeon
krustykurmudgeon
Reply to  miforest
10 months ago

i can’t reply to 3g4me so I will say that catching them in an unambiguous redhanded way is what has to be done. Otherwise they’ll find a way to obfuscate and deny.

miforest
miforest
Reply to  miforest
10 months ago

krusty how can you think that anyone would listen if you had videos of antifa planning the riots before they happened ? evedence will change NOTHING. evedence only matters in an honest system. there was a mountian of evedence in the 2020 election that it was stolen . what diffrence did it make? theree is no hones way to reign in a corrupt government.

Pozymandias
Reply to  miforest
10 months ago

The prevalence of smartphones, bodycams, etc… and the high rates of criminality among our minorities means that there’s guaranteed to be a continuous flood of “riot-worthy” video circulating. Baltimore or Chicago alone probably generate a Floyd event or two every weekend in the warmer months. What this means to me is that there must be a system to process this garbage and harvest the “best” of it. From there it moves to a staging area of some sort and someone decides whether to green light it or hold off. The deciding factor is how great the need of the system… Read more »

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  krustykurmudgeon
10 months ago

No mass movement in the US is created by the media; it is promoted and mobilized by the media. If there is a deepfake event (and I doubt many actual believed the broadcast – most likely a few loons), it will be at the behest of the overlords, like Floyd. The deepfake is the tool to mobilize the masses, not the actual origin.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Krustykurmudgeon
10 months ago

And just today SCOTUS denies Chauvin the right to an appeal. “Conservative” court, indeed.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  KGB
10 months ago

If a nuke took out the Imperial Capitol, humanity’s Morality Quotient would increase by five points.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
10 months ago

Ostei: As my husband can and will verify, I’ve said since 2001 that I wish the flight 93 had hit the capitol while Congress was in full session. And I was and am quite serious.

Filthie
Filthie
Member
10 months ago

Asked and answered: “The big question that looms over all of it is what comes next for Ukraine?” “…You blame that guy for the failures and buy another round of funding the operation.” Zelensky and his jews disappear one night. They may re-surface a time or two but eventually he will be spoted by kooks in the company of Elvis and Adoph Hitler. The Russians will take Odessa without firing a shot. They will rebuild their investments in the Donbas and purge any remaining Uke loyalists. What’s left of the Kraine will be one of the very few white 3rd… Read more »

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Filthie
10 months ago

The guys at the Duran – who have pretty much called this war 100%, have started making noises about a move on Kiev. There’s lot of rustling of maps from people looking at the future and it increasingly seems to be that of a land-locked farm-stand in the Polish suburbs.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Bilejones
10 months ago

“The Duran”? Sorry I’m a little lite on the lingo.

Mike
Mike
Reply to  Steve
10 months ago

It’s a podcast and they have pretty good takes on the current things.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Mike
10 months ago

Thank you. I’ll check that out.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Steve
10 months ago

You know. “Girls on Film,” “The Reflex,” “Ordinary World.”

Diversity Heretic
Member
10 months ago

A nice Christmas present would be a Ukrainian Army mutiny.

JL
JL
10 months ago

If they could hire Milo Minderbinder from the great “Catch 22” novel he would find a way to keep all involved parties, rich and fighting continuously to stay “in the money”.

Hokkoda
Member
10 months ago

Slowly at first, then all of a sudden. I think someone will try to assassinate Zelensky. He will either be killed or flee the country. The Russians will be blamed, but it’ll be an inside job by the military or the secret police. Burns could have been in Kiev preparing them for what will basically amount to a terrorism war against Russia. The war will be lost, but the violence and funding will continue. Once we get into 2024, all bets are off for US funding. Ukraine is radioactive to Republican base voters. If funding gets passed, it’ll pass with… Read more »

miforest
miforest
Reply to  Hokkoda
10 months ago

thsis is so 2019. there are no “democrat” or “republicans” in the US government any more . that sham ended in 2020. as far as the “elections ” go, the POTUS will be selected by the dominion voting machines . nobody else has any say in it these same machines pick any election the Uniparty wants picked .

Hokkoda
Member
Reply to  miforest
10 months ago

Not really. We agree on the Official Government Party aspects of this. They do still like to keep up appearances, though. I also think public sentiment so completely rejects the Ukraine War that the Government Party has to worry about a full collapse in its perceived legitimacy. Right now, about 70-80% of the country basically wants us out of Ukraine, but only 30-40% believes the current regime is illegitimate. If they push too hard, they risk raising the proportion of people who think the current government is illegitimate. They will seek a solution that maintains the patina of legitimacy, which… Read more »

miforest
miforest
Reply to  Hokkoda
10 months ago

They can use the media to create a false narrative about anything they want. They have NO FEAR of us whatsoever. it is all a show and they can use the media to tell any story they want. The do not need any truth content whatsoever. COVID showed that there is know lie that won’t be believed by normie. no matter how rediculous. any abuse of people will be tollerated byt the sheep. You have no power what so ever.

Hun
Hun
10 months ago

To me the biggest surprise is that there hasn’t yet been a coup in Ukraine, nor any minor uprisings, nor any lone gunmen targeting Zelensky… Or maybe it’s not that surprising? People will just take anything. No amount of abuse, beatings and mass killing will wake them up? Hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian men have died in this war. For what? Do they believe in something or are they just meekly following orders? If they do believe in something, what is it? Drag Queen story hours for Ukrainian children? Or is the distant possibility of joining the EU worth dying… Read more »

Chet Rollins
Reply to  Hun
10 months ago

> To me the biggest surprise is that there hasn’t yet been a coup in Ukraine, nor any minor uprisings, nor any lone gunmen targeting Zelensky

Zelensky missed his opportunity to flee to a nice resort in Florida with his embezzled cash. The puppet thought he had agency.

miforest
miforest
Reply to  Chet Rollins
10 months ago

I think he is already in fl, and has been phoning it in from in from of a green screen from there.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Hun
10 months ago

We have absolutely no clue whether this is true or not. The propaganda organs certainly wouldn’t let us know, and Russian/pro-Russian commentariat likely doesn’t have that type of access. My guess is American assets have Zelensky cordoned off to an unimaginable degree. Those will be the ones who deliver the dirt nap.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Jack Dobson
10 months ago

You are partly right, but Zelensky is not alone. I haven’t heard about anybody from his inner circle being seriously targeted. Lone gunmen stories can be successfully covered up, to a degree, but if there were any uprisings, the Russians would have used them for propaganda. Since they did not, there probably were none. Same with coup attempts.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Hun
10 months ago

His inner circle most likely has similar protection, and localized uprisings could go without detection. There is a great deal of hatred of the Russians for very good reasons outside of the east, so these may not have happened, but we likely would not know about it.

threestars
threestars
Reply to  Hun
10 months ago

It’s joining the West, as they see it. Russia is the devil they know, and they want nothing to do with it.

It’s hard for Westerners to understand how deep of a hold the mirage of the West has on Europoors. Even with all the eerie insanity starting to sip in, most people in the East still equate globo-homo with unbridled goodness.

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  threestars
10 months ago

I noticed that in the Czech Republic. The people there couldn’t shut up about how great the US was and how much they loved all the new materialistic soulless consoomerism they were getting to engage in.

Compare that to Western Europe where I couldn’t walk ten feet without someone lecturing me about how Dubya was a bad man.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Ploppy
10 months ago

Well, GloboHeauxmeaux without diversity would actually be a modest improvement, at least in the short term, for most people. Alas, in the long term, diversification into oblivion is the inevitable outcome, and with that comes misery galore. Unfortunately, most whites these days do not think in the long term.

threestars
threestars
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
10 months ago

I can only speak for Romania here, but most of the NPC and midwit blob is already down with diversity.

This is disconcerting especially since they shouldn’t be all that ignorant of the disastrous consequences this has had in the West.

I find myself surprised at how absolutely incongruent to reality these people are; even from the position of someone who watched the Overton window in the US shifting left in real time over the past two decades.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Hun
10 months ago

I imagine domestically this war has been portrayed as the Ukraine’s Great Patriotic War, against the Russians, who genuinely are hated there. This false narrative has been sufficient, to this point, to keep the wheels of the abattoir greased with Ukrainian blood. The Ukes think they are fighting and dying for their country, when in reality they are sacrifical babes to the Judeo-American Molloch.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Hun
10 months ago

Hun-

I think the Ukes are being extremely well-compensated all the way down to the ranks of their colonels and captains, who are usually the officers that start successful coup attempts.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
10 months ago

That’s why the funding for running the government, and particularly that sweet lucre to those well positioned to ice Zelensky and company is such a worry to the compradors. Money gone, uh oh.

cg2
cg2
Reply to  Hun
10 months ago

It’s my understanding that there are/were significant numbers of Ukes who hate/hated Russians.

Jannie
Jannie
Reply to  Hun
10 months ago

Millions of Ukrainians HAVE fled the country. So not everyone wants to die for Zelensky.

DLS
DLS
10 months ago

Sorry to go off topic, but I greatly value the commentator knowledge on this site. I have been invited to a John Birch Society meeting. I recall they had a somewhat nutty reputation, but they seem very normie conservative now. I would like to get more active in my dissidence, but don’t want to waste my time. Does anyone have an opinion on them?

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  DLS
10 months ago

There will probably be more FBI agents in the crowd than actual dissidents. That’s not to say you shouldn’t try to meet other dissidents. I just don’t think the JBS is a reasonable vehicle for such things. To the extent that it’s not loaded with informants and agents, it will be loaded with boomercon types.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  DLS
10 months ago

My understanding is that they were like an America First movement that peaked in the 1950s. They charged that communists were taking over our government. I believe that they accused Ike of being a commie. I am told that this made most Americans who were sympathetic to them dismiss them as crazy. Around this time, two seminal white activists who had supported the Birch Society, Revillo P. Oliver and George Lincoln Rockwell, broke with the Society because they believed that attacking “communists” was misleading. They had a more specific description of the problem in mind, which was unacceptable. Oliver had… Read more »

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  LineInTheSand
10 months ago

Bob Dylan – Talkin’ John Birch Society Blues

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tCcnJ5kbFMg

c matt
c matt
Reply to  LineInTheSand
10 months ago

But we’re they wrong about Ike?

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  c matt
10 months ago

No, at root they were correct. He was just another sanctimonious Yankee, sending in the army to Little Rock without a worry in his head about restarting the coercion of Reconstruction. He had plenty of company in that policy because the South could not, just could not, be permitted to Rise Again, even in their own minds. The left had Big Plans, and he was just a RINO a/k/a a liberal Republican who was putty in Their hands.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  JerseyJeffersonian
10 months ago

And thereby we see the real irony of the “Republican Party”. The entire raison d’etre of that party was to destroy the Republic, and replace it with a Federal government in which States would be reduced to mere administrative districts of the Leviathan that would be installed with Lincoln’s Second Founding.

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
10 months ago

Oh no, what will all of the retards wearing Ukraine pins and propping flags outside their homes do now?!!

Chet Rollins
Reply to  Tired Citizen
10 months ago

They will literally forget they were ever pro-Ukraine within a year. How many scumbags from a couple of years ago remember cutting off their family because they were not vaccinated? How many came around like nothing happened? Same people. Empty vessels to be filled with The Current Thing.

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  Chet Rollins
10 months ago

I wouldn’t call them people exactly.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Chet Rollins
10 months ago

The NPC meme rankled because it was spot on.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Jack Dobson
10 months ago

Jack: This is from what is generally a boomercon prepper site, but this post is en pointe – don’t ever expect much from most people and you won’t be disappointed.

https://modernsurvivalblog.com/survival-skills/10-80-10-principle/

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  3g4me
10 months ago

Thanks. Ten percent seems generous.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Chet Rollins
10 months ago

Bugmen.
These are people who have been completely hollowed out by the current culture and harbor no thought outside of the current accepted paradigm. They have no soul, like a bug, a bugman.

Bloated Boomer
Bloated Boomer
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
10 months ago

You make eloH proud.

Neon_Bluebeard
Neon_Bluebeard
Reply to  Tired Citizen
10 months ago

The software gets an update. The NPC’s move on. Just like always.

MikeCLT
MikeCLT
10 months ago

I agree that the money keeps flowing to Ukraine because it is a laundering operation by both parties in DC.

I also think the Dems keep the funding going hoping to stave off collapse until after 2024 and the GOP keep the funding going because they don’t want to be blamed for the collapse by Dems and media when it happens.

miforest
miforest
Reply to  MikeCLT
10 months ago

there are no real GOP or DEM party. there is the “party” and thats it have you not noticed the new GOP speaker talks like rush limbaugh and legislates like chuck schumer?

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
10 months ago

Assuming the world is not reduced to smoldering rubble, future historians probably will point to the Ukraine fuckery as the closing chapter of two decades of non-stop Global American Empire violence. Public opinion plays absolutely no role in what the GAE does, but war requires some buy-in for it to be successful. That is gone and it never coming back. Also, the reality of deindustrialization has revealed the hard limits of American power–it is a financer of “democracy” but in no way an arsenal now. The United States’ economy on paper remains the world’s strongest but given current conditions that… Read more »

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  Jack Dobson
10 months ago

Some of the great Wehrmacht (and um, other branches) autobiographies of WWII talk about the soldier/authors walking through endless fields of Ukrainian sunflowers. The farming goes on, just as it always has.

Mike
Mike
Reply to  Captain Willard
10 months ago

I remember reading about German armor going through sunflower fields over 60 kilometers long. The steppes are endless.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Jack Dobson
10 months ago

I think ir was incredibly stupid for GAE to make this war an all or nothing game. If they had just let Russia do it’s thing, or before that, said the door to NATO is shut, they wouldn’t have lost a lot of prestige. Now they’ve all but bet the farm on it. Really stupid. But maybe it’s the money. Ukraine was too juicy so they just couldn’t resist

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
10 months ago

It is the money, and loss of prestige only matters if those who profit suffer consequences to themselves. They do not and will not. Note the meetings last week with the Chinese and who sat at the big boys’ table. Some of those have dibs on rebuilding the Ukraine, although that might not be feasible.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Jack Dodson
10 months ago

They sure don’t think long-term

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  Jack Dodson
10 months ago

Those who sat at the “Big Boys’ table”…

Their feet hasten to do evil. Same as it ever was.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
10 months ago

They must have been convinced their sanctions would topple the Putin regime. Only thing that makes any kind of sense to explain their actions. Probably also underestimated the Russian military, overestimated US military hardware.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
10 months ago

Yeah, that is something I meant to but neglected to mention. The sanctions failing to have much effect shocked the hell out of them. It is a sidenote at the moment but that is another big takeaway long term from this horror–the GAE’s economic dominance has diminished.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
10 months ago

When have sanctions ever toppled a government? Saddam no, Iran no, North Korea no, Venezuela no. That’s empirically just not how the world works. Woke seems to impede learning from experience. But then again it’s at war with reality so that does make sense

Mow Knowname
Mow Knowname
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
10 months ago

Sanctions worked in “Foundation” by Issac Asimov.
Sanctions may have also worked on some TV show/ movie / YueTube video our rulers confused with reality.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
10 months ago

Sanctions are kind of like socialism. Yes they have always failed, but that’s because it just hasn’t been done right yet. So they dialed it up to 11 for Putler, because this time, finally……

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
10 months ago

Sanctions is like a high press in basketball/soccer/hockey. If just one component fails, it is pointless. One component always fails so it works in theory but not practice.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
10 months ago

Castro’s Cuba seemed to muddle through sanctions reasonably well, too.

RDittmar
Member
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
10 months ago

I’d go even further back and argue that it was incredibly stupid for the GAE to turn Russian into an enemy. Russia’s always been this uneasy combination of European liberalism and Oriental despotism. After the Cold War ended there should have been every effort made to encourage Russia to become part of a larger Europe, but instead we were over-staffed with a bunch of NATO and State Dept. bureaucrats who saw their job as continuing to “manage” Russia and they pushed and poked and prodded to the point that we’re now close to getting in a shooting war with people… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  RDittmar
10 months ago

The Tribal termites were eating away even before the USSR collapsed. After the implosion, the unhinged lunacy of bombing Serbia, a Russian protectorate, into oblivion more or less guaranteed a permanent rift. W initially tried to make amends, believe it or not, but given those who surrounded him–many termites and their enablers–he instead ratcheted it up. Same happened with Obama. Trump was despised because he wouldn’t go along with the Tribe’s Russia animus, so the dementia patient was installed. The world would have been a far better place if the United States had rebuilt Russia and welcomed it into the… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  RDittmar
10 months ago

I totally agree. Possibly the only thing I agree with the beltway on is that China is not a friend. Secretly Moscow would agree with that. We could have worked with Putin. But the people in charge of GAE couldn’t work with him.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  RDittmar
10 months ago

Putin raised the issue of Russian membership of NATO back in the 90’s. Clinton said no.
Russia is far too valuable a bogey man.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  Bilejones
10 months ago

And an easy sell with the Tribe, who view the US as their big dumb golem to get back at their perceived tormentor of centuries’ standing. Why, yes, they did take out the Khazarian slave trading entity that was impressing their people and selling them on as slaves to Russia’s dangerous foe, the Ottomans, and understandandably they kept a close eye on the Tribe residing in their empire thenceforeward. Then, the Tribe helped to assemble a grouping of malcontents to stage the Russian Revolution (with lots of help from you know who living in the West). They worked savagery upon… Read more »

old coyote
old coyote
Reply to  Bilejones
10 months ago

JerseyJeffersonian is spot on here: The ancient Khazar trident flies on the Ukiestan flag. ‘In your face’ goys!!

PrimiPilus
PrimiPilus
Reply to  RDittmar
10 months ago

re: “… return the calls of …”

This!!! Our unholy mess is all about their aspirations, ambitions, employment and lifestyle needs, group delusions, greed, et cetera etc. … Regardless of party, it’s all the same, regardless of what they or we think. It underlays and structures all of the visible aspects of their program. It is the plague on our civilization.

We have far exceeded critical mass of over credentialed, ignorant, entitled, wholly self-absorbed, greedy, reality-adverse & obnoxious petty tyrants.

Boarwild
Boarwild
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
10 months ago

Moran –

My question is why are the Russians always the bad guys? Look if it’s 1980 & they have 40 armored divisions poised to plunge thru the Fulda Gap in a blitzkrieg attack across Western Europe I get it, but that hasn’t been the case since 1991. And there are zero indications that Putin’s Russia wants to expand westward but you wouldn’t know that Constant demonization ramped up in large part with the totally bogus “Russian Collusion” hoax against Trump.

Seems we really have more in common with Russians than not.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Boarwild
10 months ago

I’m the wrong guy to ask because I don’t hate Russia. But some people in DC must hate the very idea that Russia exists. Unfortunately they have influence and we don’t

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Boarwild
10 months ago

Many aspects to Russia hate. Visceral for some; for others presents an evergreen gravy train.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Boarwild
10 months ago

You and I have more in common with the Russians than not. Those who control the GAE’s Power Structure, do not.

Jannie
Jannie
Reply to  Boarwild
10 months ago

China is a way more realistic bad guy, but the China trade is worth trillions and no elites on either side of the Pacific are gonna rock that boat. (Plus, China’s neighbors – who hate them – are the biggest obstacle to Chinese expansion & military adventurism)

Trade with Russia is negligible for America. So we can safely ostracize them.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
10 months ago

If the GAE didn’t have its knives out permanently for Russia, it would have disbanded NATO after winning the Cold War. Not only did NATO remain in existence, it marched inexorably toward Russia’s border. And the Rooskiis are not stupid. They know the score.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
10 months ago

“Ukraine was too juicy so they just couldn’t resist”

Ukraine was the internationalist Jews’ playground. They OWNED it. They see Ukrainians as THEIR herd of white human cattle and they will be damned if they will see their property taken from them, much less liberated.

We are approaching the Gotterdammerung moment where the losers are divided between those who want to cut a deal with the winner to salvage what they can and those who would prefer to see everything and everyone burn.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
10 months ago

I’d assume that the money laundering machine is looking toward rebuilding Ukraine as the next source of money. The problem, of course, is that the Russians likely won’t play ball. The neocons seem to think that this game ends when they say so. Just tell the Russians that everyone stops fighting and leave the map as is. But the Russians have other plans. They aren’t going to quit until they get the territory that they feel they need. Hard to say exactly when the Russians want but it’s more than just the Donbas now. They probably want Odessa, maybe all… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
10 months ago

A Russian victory would implode the investment value of the pieces of Ukraine held by Blackrock, State Street, and Vanguard.

That would be a long-term win for humanity.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
10 months ago

The sum total of Wall Street investments in Ukraine is trivial compared to those held in US apartment buildings. This is not a financial project, but an imperial project. In any case, the only thing of value in non-Donbass Ukraine is hot chicks (many of whom have left) and great farmland. The farmland will be valuable regardless of the outcome.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
10 months ago

Have the Russians modified their peace conditions? Iow, what happens to the non-Russian areas? Still an independent West Ukraine? Would the Russians want to assume that territory, or does it become a new, humanitarian, boondoggle?

I think that’s why I can’t let go of the idea of a New Zion project, amounting to the old Pale of Settlement.

Tarl Cabot
Tarl Cabot
Reply to  Paintersforms
10 months ago

This is the fallback position: a tribal kleptocracy (the Khazar Bazaar) at the western terminus of China’s Belt and Road, just waiting for the next opportunity to have another go at mother Russia. They need to keep Odessa to make it work, though. If I were Putin, I would see that they don’t.

Gideon
Gideon
Reply to  Paintersforms
10 months ago

In the saber-rattling which preceded the Russian invasion, and the negotiations with Ukraine that followed, Russia wanted the implementation of the Minsk Agreements (regional autonomy for the Donbass within Ukraine) and a guarantee of no NATO membership. When Ukraine withdrew that offer in exchange for Western promises of support, Russia formally annexed the oblasts of Luhansk, Donetsk, Zaporizhzhia and Kerson (enabling the use their conscripted soldiers in the fighting). Now that the Ukrainian army looks destined to collapse, Russia may seek to incorporate four additional Russian-majority oblasts adjacent to those they have already annexed. Failure to do so would doom… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Gideon
10 months ago

“Russia may be forced to set up a satellite state such as those that existed during the Cold War in the Soviet.”

Yes, and Putin strikes me as cagey and even cynical about pursuing Russia’s interest. I don’t think he’s the idealistic Christian Nationalist crusader some hope he is. Plus, isn’t Blackrock or somebody buying up the land? What will the displaced Ukrainians do— buy it back?

Gideon
Gideon
Reply to  Paintersforms
10 months ago

Be that as it may, it is the Zionest-dominated American government which is driving the depopulation, dismemberment and possible dissolution of Ukraine, not the cagey Russians, who would probably not have dared face Western sanctions and the vicissitudes of war had they not been goaded into it.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Gideon
10 months ago

Methinks the US won’t be the happy hunting ground it’s been in the not-too-distant future. If we’re going to talk about American Zionists, they’re largely Eastern European Jews and their weird Christian sycophants.

Historical forces at work bigger than any of the players. Globalism retreats, the world heads back towards Asia. It’s something Russia is already having to deal with.

That it made it as far as the Western Hemisphere this time is remarkable.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Paintersforms
10 months ago

It does seem like it’s crying out to be a new homeland for the Chosenites. Call it Yiddistan.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Bilejones
10 months ago

Jewkraine……

David Wright
Member
10 months ago

What did the poor Ukranian people do to deserve all of this terrible destruction that has befallen them for a century. Not voting hard enough I guess.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  David Wright
10 months ago

They had the same mindset as us in just wanting to be left alone but as we see over there and throughout history you will never be left alone…Tribe Up or Die…

miforest
miforest
Reply to  David Wright
10 months ago

they have been targeted by an international intres for elemination. mostly thru proxies. they will not stop untill the last ukrainian is gone.

Disruptor
Disruptor
Reply to  David Wright
10 months ago

Khmelnytsky Uprising took place between 1648 and 1657 in the eastern territories of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth.

In Jewish history, the uprising is known for the atrocities against the Jews who were rent and tax farming the Ukrainian peasants.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
10 months ago

I hope the war ends soon with minimum bloodshed. From a military history POV I think it’s a very interesting war. It seems to be the second war, after the first Armenia Azerbaijan war in 2020, where small drones have played a major role. It seems that artillery and drones compliment each other synergetically, tanks and APCs are becoming obsolescent. It also seems like infantry is becoming a match for armor and helicopter gunships on a more level field, because of RPGs. Something simiyseems to be happening with manned aircraft. Big expensive manned platforms are struggling. In soldiering the geek… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
10 months ago

Those dual-stage shaped charge RPG and missile warheads are pretty simple to implement, yet they are hugely effective versus all the fancy reactive armor on the West’s tanks.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
10 months ago

Agree. Physics seems to generally favor projectiles, to include grenades of various types, over armor. It’s especially acute in body armor. I recently saw Kentucky Ballistics (love that channel btw) blow right through level IV ceramics with a solid round.416 safari rifle

(Btw, i sooo miss the 2A on the eastern side of the pond but OT)

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  thezman
10 months ago

There’s that radar or something technology that finds old remnants of temples in the jungles of Asia. I wonder if that could be converted to scanning for mines?

Diversity Heretic
Member
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
10 months ago

Body armor is sufficiently effective that the United States is transitioning from the 5.56x45mm rifle round to a 6.8mm round operating at the pressure of 80,000 psi.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
10 months ago

That’s a hor cartridge. What kind of energies does it get?

About body armor, yes it does work – and I recommend people to get it . But a .416 defeats at least some level IV. And a .416 is not that big a behemoth to drag around. Yes it cycles slow (bolt action) and it kicks like a mule. So if rounds like that caught on they’d need a level V if that even exists. And who knows if material science can even produce something that stops such rounds AND deflect the giant energy dump

Diversity Heretic
Member
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
10 months ago

A reply to Moran. The 6.8mm cartidge fires a 135 grain bullet at 3000 fps out of a 16 inch barrel, at least in its civilian loading. The military load is likely to be hotter since the new Army service rifle has a 13 inch barrel and is relatively heavy. The optics are quite sophisticated, so the Army expects more hits per rounds fired and the new rifle isn’t designed for particularly long-range shooting. The objective is to punch through enemy body armor at normal combat ranges.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
10 months ago

IIRC, the last Quadrennial Defense Review of 2014 (before they changed the name to the National Defense Strategy) discussed the significant implications of drone swarms and UAV etc at great length. So this issue, so prominent in Ukraine, has been visible to military planners for well over 10 years. But our doctrine hasn’t changed much. Why?

Perhaps because drones and UAVs are pretty cheap compared with old aviation and missile/artillery hardware and the business model of defense contractors doesn’t work as well with all the new stuff.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Captain Willard
10 months ago

Yes, money matters. Also all the decision makers in the Pentagon were trained as young lieutenants on big manned platforms. 120 ago there were plenty of cavalry colonels who refused to give up their ponies because of a nasty thing called machine guns. Old dogs really are hard to retrain

pyrrhus
10 months ago

The Ukraine war has boomeranged horribly on the West…Russia is booming economically, the Russian Army is larger, stronger, and up to date with drones, missiles and artillery that are the best in the World, and most of the casualties have been amongst the DPR troops…While NATO has disarmed itself in a futile attempt to prop up Ukraine’s military, and the EU has badly damaged its economy….Game, set and match to Vlad Putin…

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
Reply to  pyrrhus
10 months ago

This what happens when you actually have a people, and you don’t flood them with ideologies on gay butt sex, men wearing lipstick in dresses and low iq African thugs.

Bilejones
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Reply to  pyrrhus
10 months ago

I was surprised to see USA Today, the mainstreamers mainstream, rate the Russian military the strongest in the world a few weeks ago.
Russia’s economy consists of men making real things, the US’s economy consists of tatted up dykes with a face full of fishing tackle selling blue check marks on twitter.
If Joe Blow is a day late paying his credit card bill, the $35 late payment charge counts as an increase in GDP according to the Fed.

Maxda
Maxda
10 months ago

Like other collapses, the Ukrainian one will happen slowly at first, then pick up speed like an avalanche.

It will be all shock and surprise for those depending on the western media for information.

pyrrhus
Reply to  Maxda
10 months ago

The Ukraine could turn into another Vietnam, helicopters taking people off the roof situation…

Mow Knowname
Mow Knowname
10 months ago

The people are fickle and easily distracted.

Trump-itler, Russia-Russia-Russia, COVID!, raycisms, MORE COVID!!!, jab-or-fire, totally legitimate and not at all fraudulent Joe Biden, transvestites, Ukraine, Our Greatest Ally…

Once reality gets to hard to ignore, our rulers will adjust the camera angle, redirect the megaphone and the trained seals will arf-arf along at the next current thing.

Note that I didn’t even MENTION losing the Iraq and Afghan Wars… (I haven’t gotten the most recent download: am I supposed to go back to hating the Moselman or is that racist?)

miforest
miforest
Reply to  Mow Knowname
10 months ago

The grip on the normie mind the media has is coplete and total. there will be no way out and normie would will even consider he/she/it are not the most informed people who ever lived. Pray the rosary and keep the faith, it’s going to be rough.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Mow Knowname
10 months ago

I figured Our Greatest Ally’s Excellent Adventure would provide a Keeeeev off ramp. Maybe it will eventually.

Sgt Pedantry
Sgt Pedantry
10 months ago

If we can believe what we are told about the strength of Russia’s economy and civil society, then their best play would be to keep this conflict on low boil, do nothing that might make a headline in the West, and work for Blinken’s re-election.

Diversity Heretic
Member
Reply to  thezman
10 months ago

There is a Russian word недоговороспособны, which translates as “not agreement capable.” In light of the fact that former French president François Holland and former German chancellor Angela Merkel have said that they entered into the 2015 Minsk Accords with no intention of honoring them, and the fact that the United States has withdrawn from treaties such as the Intermediate Nuclear Forces Treaty, the Anti-ballistic Missile defense treaty and the Joint Protocols with Iran, Russia quite reasonably considers that neither western European or American leaders are agreement capable. Russia will likely present the West with a “take it or leave… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  thezman
10 months ago

Not to go all Goodwin but it seems to me DC is making some of the same exact mistakes moustache guy made: lying to and humiliating their opposite numbers in other countries; believing that a stronger standing military beats bigger production capacity over time; and driving their strongest enemies into uneasy alliances by unnecessarily being a bigger threat to them than they are to each other. Not going to end well…

miforest
miforest
Reply to  Sgt Pedantry
10 months ago

blinken is the chattle slave ot he neuland/kegan clan , but you are correct.

Bill Jones
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Reply to  Sgt Pedantry
10 months ago

Russia should be praying for Biden’s re-election. In Four More Years the US will be no more of a threat to Russia than Haiti is.

FNC1A1
Member
10 months ago

A good assessment Mr. Z. Perhaps the best thing that can happen soon is a swift resolution of the war. Zelenski’s days are numbered, once he’s gone a new regime can blame him for the failure and make a deal with the Russians. The money laundering operations will have to go somewhere else.

I hope that you’re feeling better now.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  thezman
10 months ago

Also happy you’re back. And agree, new leaders in Kiev and an end to the war ASAP is the best thing for the Ukraine

WillS
WillS
Reply to  thezman
10 months ago

Would that not leave all of Ukraine to Russia short of a NATO invassion/take over of hostilities.

Russia gaining posession of Ukraine seems like the most likely outcome.