The Myth Of Dual Loyalty

Over the holidays, a bit of controversy erupted when in an interview, Tucker Carlson noted that certain people, like Ben Shapiro, are much more concerned about Israel than the people of the United States. The bat signal was immediately lit, and Israel supporters started chanting about how Ben Shapiro is a patriot and Carlson’s criticism smacked of the old dual loyalty “canard” from a mythical time in America’s past when Jews were forced to live under a cloud of suspicion about their loyalty.

Because this is the media age, it was not hard to see the invisible hand of coordination in the responses from the usual suspects. Here we have Andrew Klavan posting the same thing as Ben Domenech, who posted the same thing as Kurt Schlichter who said the same this as Chris Loesch and you get the idea. A memo went out to their Twitter influencers to boost the idea of Ben Shapiro being a patriot. The object of his patriotism, however, is never mentioned.

This is an old trick to avoid the actual question. The pro-Israel lobby is not addressing the issue at the heart of Tucker’s criticism, which is that people like Ben Shapiro and his defenders care more about people in other countries than Americans. Instead, they want Tucker and his fans to address this made-up idea that Jews were subject to bigotry in the past on the grounds they have dual loyalty. Instead of addressing the point, they shift the focus to another topic.

Of course, the concept of dual loyalty itself is the result of a similar tactic used in the past to shield Zionist from criticism. The “dual loyalty” concept is a product of the 20th century, created by the Israel lobby to obscure the fact that we suddenly had this new force in politics that demanded the government care more about the interests of Israel than the interests of Americans. People who raised questions about the Israel lobby got smeared as antisemites.

For most of American history and probably European history, the concept of dual loyalty was unknown, for the simple reason people understood that a man who chases two rabbits catches none. You can have only one true loyalty. You may have conditional loyalty to other people and ideas, but those conditional loyalties have to give way to your primary loyalty. You were primarily a Christian, an Englishman, a loyal subject of the empire or a Jew. That is the nature of loyalty.

That was always the criticism of Jews, that their first loyalty was always going to be to their people, no matter their conditions. In America into the 1970’s it was common for people to note, often approvingly, that Jews stick together. The implication was that they cared primarily about their people. Jewish comedians had jokes about this that had a punchline, “but is it good for the Jews” that played on this well-known and generally accepted reality of the Jewish people.

It should be noted that into the 20th century this was same reasoning was applied to Catholics, who were assumed to be primarily loyal to the Church. This was a carry over from the schisms within Christendom. Protestants in Protestant countries could accuse Catholics of being loyal to the Pope rather than the king. Even today, Catholic judges have to answer questions about their faith. Jewish liberals attacked Amy Coney Barrett for being a faithful Catholic, especially on abortion.

The clever trick about this “dual loyalty” stuff is it not only shifted the focus from Jews onto their critics, but it made noticing what everyone, including Jews, had accepted for hundreds of years into a taboo. Noticing that Ben Shapiro was an emotional wreck over the Hamas attack, but he blatantly states that he does not care about the health and welfare of the white people is somehow immoral. It is a form of the motte-and-bailey argument that is so popular with the Left.

Of course, guys like Ben Shapiro and Joel Pollak do not have dual loyalty, despite having dual citizenship. It is impossible to have dual loyalty. Their primary loyalty is to their people, which is why they wear the funny little hats. That is the point of the hats, to tell the world they are not of the world, but separate. This is an age-old way people identify with a specific group and show their loyalty to that group by physically separating from everyone else in society.

There is nothing immoral about this and there is nothing immoral about noticing it, but it does raise questions, which is why we have the “dual loyalty” stuff. Tolerating a minority whose primary interests lie outside the majority must be limited. That limit is the interests of the majority, whose primary loyalty is to themselves. It means Ben Shapiro cannot pretend to speak for the interests of the majority. He must appeal to them as an outsider on behalf of outsiders.

This creates an obvious problem, so what people like Ben Shapiro prefer to do is conflate the interest of Americans with the interests of Israel so that questioning the behavior of Israel is equivalent to burning the American flag. To their credit, this rhetorical game has worked on many people. Anyone questioning the proportionality of Israel’s response to the Hamas attack or criticizing the wholesale killing of civilians is unironically accused of being unpatriotic.

The fact that Tucker has not been hurled into the void over this speaks to the changing nature of public consciousness. America and the West are heading into a time for choosing in which people must think about the question of loyalty. Are you more loyal to an abstract concept or to people who look like you, sound like you and share your same concerns about your community? We are entering a time when people begin to think about their hierarchy of loyalties and their identity as people.

It also speaks to the fact that the old pseudo-loyalties are breaking down. When the concept of American has been watered down to the point where it often means caring more for strangers than your own family, it is not hard to see why increasing numbers of Americans are no longer moved by calls to patriotism. Ben Shapiro waving the American flag and Israeli flag in front of the suckers is not working because the suckers are no longer moved by the American flag.

It is natural for minorities to put the interests of their minority group first, as their identity is tied to their minority status. In a society composed of minorities, there can be no patriotism as everyone’s primary loyalty will be to their group, so the good of the whole is always a secondary consideration, if it is considered at all. In other words, America will be populated with people who think about their people, just as Ben Shapiro thinks of his people, but they will just wear different hats.


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Dutch Boy
Dutch Boy
6 months ago

Loyalty to whom or what? Suppose the people to whom you are loyal are not only loyal to a foreign nation but also are anti-Christian revolutionaries dedicated to the demoralization and corruption of the societies they inhabit? That’s an entirely different kettle of (gefilte) fish.

Panzernutter
Panzernutter
6 months ago

I heard this somewhere, maybe Ramzpaul: if Biden was handcuffed to a chair and told that two nukes were heading to 1) Toledo and 2) telive and that he could cancel one if he picked one. if he picked none, they both get it, he would pick Toledo every time and so would most if the knuckleheads in Washington. Sad but true.

Ace of Base
Ace of Base
6 months ago

As things are right now, a more significant concern about dual loyalty would be better focused on the adherents to a religion that originated in southwest Asia in the seventh century. Those persons have conducted protests and other forms of antagonistic behavior in the last few months that are intentionally disruptive toward the western way of life. The longer-term goals of the people within that group have been clear for some time.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Ace of Base
6 months ago

We have Muslims in western lands because of j3wz, to a first approximation. You can find many examples, over centuries, where the chosen say that they prefer multiracial societies because they themselves feel more concealed there. Hence, Hart-Cellar and massive immigration ever since, under every president. Sure, some whites like Ted Kennedy were incentivized to be their spokesmen, but the real engine of this vast, treasonous policy is the chosen. You can criticize blacks and Muslims all that you like, but they are just hammers that our most dangerous opponent beats us with. Blacks and Muslims are civilization retards who… Read more »

Jim in Alaska
Member
6 months ago

OK I’m pretty much a family first, friends second, America third and beyond that pick a ticket kind of guy.

In the case of Israel right now however, the ‘first they came for the Jews and I…’ is worth consideration. Hamas et al, wants to destroy us, any and all non-Islamics, Israel, the Jews, are in the way. Hence, in this case, I’m all for giving Israel all the support we can as long as such does no harm to our nation, do what we can afford, not what we can’t.

The Ukraine, the money laundry, is another story though.

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  Jim in Alaska
6 months ago

I don’t think those little children can actually throw rocks all the way across the Mediterranean Sea and Atlantic Ocean.

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  Ploppy
6 months ago

Yeah, i fairly certain he’s safe from hamas up in alaska. What did Seward pay for it again?

Gideon
Gideon
Reply to  Jim in Alaska
6 months ago

No, you’re actually pretty much an Israel-first kind of guy. But since you’re clearly not savvy to that, we can only entertain the possibility that some of the soon to be ethnically-cleansed Palestinians will be sent up to your neck of the woods at the behest of your best little “allies,” where they will no doubt make you and yours lives as safe as possible (if all else fails by breeding y’all out of the gene pool).

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  Gideon
6 months ago

I noted how ham-fisted the small hat propaganda concerning israel is lately. I thought they were supposed to be good at this sort of thing. Decapitated babies, Mike Rapaport talking? Maybe it’s just that i’ve changed.

Hokkoda
Member
Reply to  SidVic
6 months ago

Both sides are suffering from increasingly smart media consumers. On the Hamas side, the “open air prison” brigades became a laughing stock. What’s interesting about the propaganda is that since I avoid regime media, I actually have little to no idea what either side is doing. And it affects me not at all. Most of the blogs and news aggregation sites I visit either ignore it or at most give Israel a like warm “as long as I don’t have to pay for it” pat on the head. Like Ukraine, this latest ME skirmish is turning radioactive. In the USA,… Read more »

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
Reply to  Jim in Alaska
6 months ago

Wow, you are a really stupid person. Good lord.

Gideon
Gideon
Reply to  Tired Citizen
6 months ago

Yes, isn’t it amazing how many people still fall for the “If we don’t fight them there…” narrative, fast-forward to C-130 transport loads of them being flown to America once our invincible military has suffered yet another one of its spectacular failures? The reality is more like “We put up with humiliating defeats over there so that we have some pretext to bring them back here where they have at least the possibility of killing you.”

Greg Nikolic
6 months ago

A multinational country like the United States is always going to partly tied to past countries. HOWEVER, the U.S. has historical amnesia. It lives partly in the present and partly in the future — not at all in the past. If the Jewish population going secular is any indication, rich/fat America is grinding down the past country-affiliation thing at a rapid rate.

(To read more of my stuff, click on my name with your mouse)

imbroglio
imbroglio
6 months ago

All those Palestinian flags being waved around don’t look much like the Stars and Stripes. Christians have dual loyalty as noted. Muslims? Are you kidding? Many Latinos. Many Asians. And anyone who doesn’t think Blacks and non-binary/trans don’t have dual loyalties to race and gender isn’t paying attention. Many Jewish feminists are more loyal to non-Jewish women than to Jewish men. And how many Confederates would jump for the Stars and Bars if that might one day become a possibility? White loyalty is also dual loyalty as America isn’t wholly white anymore and won’t be getting whiter. What bothers the… Read more »

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  imbroglio
6 months ago

As a crypto- what bothers me is being closely related to so many evil lunatics. If not for the countervailing Nordic genes, I might be a monster. Fortunately the dice came up “unusually paranoid Swede” instead of “exceptionally good-looking Epstein.” He’s out there, though.

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  Hemid
6 months ago

It’s like there’s a little demon in the back of your head telling you to take everything as an insult and that everyone’s out to get you. Lucky I’m still below the threshold set by our favorite Austrian painter and all that straightforward taciturn Norwegian blood keeps the demon in his cattle car where he belongs.

Templar
Templar
Reply to  Ploppy
6 months ago

It’s gotta be weird, being a real-life Genestealer Hybrid.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  imbroglio
6 months ago

The only time the Jews have to worry about getting their butts kicked is when Jamal and Shon’tavious want their wallet:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12917901/Detroit-Samantha-Woll-stabbed-EIGHT-times-face-neck.html

RealityRules
RealityRules
6 months ago

https://www.american-remnant.com/laddybuck-nr-editor-who-doesnt-know-what-he-doesnt-know-smears-buchanan/

That small, determined minority every day gets closer to being big enough to do something. It is a long way from being organized enough though.

Drive-By Shooter
Drive-By Shooter
Reply to  RealityRules
6 months ago

Your idea of becoming organized is finding and announting Hitler 2.0. This is the solution of sado-masochist sissies and boolickers, and it would lead to very much the same disaster as Hitler 1.0.

Go live with your true kith and kin. Here’s a video of them singing “We Want Moshiach Now”.

https://youtu.be/WnhMntRHqpo
.

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  Drive-By Shooter
6 months ago

Not sure what announting is. I can’t find it in the dictionary. I couldn’t follow the flights of fancy and the multiple180 degree turns in direction to the target if there was one. You aim like people who do drive-by shootings – if aim is an appropriate description of it.

Tough start to the new year.

Drive-By Shooter
Drive-By Shooter
Reply to  RealityRules
6 months ago

A scratched bullet can still fit when the round is inserted a moment before firing. And sometimes the truth about Saint Dolfy finds its target whether or not you want to admit it. As you yourself have written, “RealityRules”.

Best of luck to you while searching faithfully for your new white moshiach this year.

Templar
Templar
Reply to  Drive-By Shooter
6 months ago

“We painted Hitler as a monster, a devil. And that’s why we couldn’t move away from that portrayal after the war. We had mobilized the masses against the devil incarnate. And so we were forced to continue in this satanic scenario after the war. We could not possibly have made our people clear (to them) that the war was actually only a preventive economic measure.”

– James Baker

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
6 months ago

“No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other.”
— Matthew 6:24 (KJV)

I believe there’s a moral in there, even for the secular who doesn’t believe in a God but does in money.

Polemeros
Polemeros
6 months ago

Over 100 years ago, English Catholic writer Hillaire Belloc wrote a book, “The Jews.” He was looking for a solution to the recurring cycles of violence in European history in connection to this group since Napoleonic emancipation. His basic diagnosis: It is because Jew are inherently aliens, a distinct ethnos who can never be a part of the ethnos of their host nations AND because they pretend to belong to the host ethnos while acting for their own, that eventually the host ethnos reacts with violence. Eventually the host ethnos sees them as two-faced treasonous pretenders and rage is the… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Polemeros
6 months ago

Polemeros: Or, as I’ve found an effective argument, one cannot be chosen and special and equal at the same time.

Mad Celt
Mad Celt
6 months ago

If I had to say which one I trust most it would be Carlson. There is something unsettling about Shapiro.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Mad Celt
6 months ago

You need higher standards

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  Mad Celt
6 months ago

His eyes are too close together. I increasingly rely upon physiognomy.

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  SidVic
6 months ago

I bet the down vote is from an odd-looking person. Albeit with a good vocabulary.

TomA
TomA
6 months ago

A stroll through human biology. When pathogens invade a host body, many, if not most, are quickly identified via biochemical markers and reactions that allow for remedial reaction to quickly commence. And faster is better, so diseases like the common cold (while common) are often a temporary afflictions. But there are also various classes of pathogens and viruses that very closely resemble normal or healthy human cell features and are thereby difficult to detect using the natural biological mechanisms that evolution has bestowed on us. These diseases can be unusually harmful because they are insidious and deviously camouflaged, and hence… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  TomA
6 months ago

The old America, which started in the 1600s, began getting sick in 1950s and 1960s, is either dead or very near death with no hope of survival.

It was a nice run. We’ll see what rises from its ashes.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
6 months ago

Do not despair. We have not yet seen the rise of the antibodies. And that is what the pathogens fear most.

Intelligent Dasein
Intelligent Dasein
Member
6 months ago

There has to be something else going on here. You would think that, for the vast majority of immigrants entering into the splendor of the empire, the primary temptation would be not to agitate for special treatment for their own little ethnic group, but to abandon it. I mean, how you gonna keep ‘em down on the farm after they’ve seen Paree? Usually, it’s the elders of the immigrant community fighting a sad, pathetic, and losing battle to teach their grandkids something about the old country, but all the kids want to do is make money, wear Lululemon, and eat… Read more »

RabbiHighComma
RabbiHighComma
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
6 months ago

Happy Hannukah.

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
6 months ago

“There has to be something else going on here. You would think that, for the vast majority of immigrants entering into the splendor of the empire, the primary temptation would be not to agitate for special treatment for their own little ethnic group, but to abandon it.”
– I agree with this except for when the immigrants are savages; then the culture of savagery actually thrives in the enabling host.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
6 months ago

This was a very good and subtle point.

That said, I think you owe Zman an apology for repeatedly insulting him. You can disagree without being disagreeable. He’s providing a free forum for us to interact.

I enjoy reading your posts and I always learn something from you.

Intelligent Dasein
Intelligent Dasein
Member
Reply to  Captain Willard
6 months ago

Although I seldom mean to be insulting, I must come across that way because enough people have told me so.

I apologize for insulting Zman and anyone else, and I will try to be more congenial in the coming year.

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
6 months ago

“No try; only do.” – Yoda

Intelligent Dasein
Intelligent Dasein
Member
Reply to  RealityRules
6 months ago

You’re pushing your luck, little man.

-Soup Nazi

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
6 months ago

A starting point would be refraining from calling him a “deranged terrier.” Some folks don’t take that as a compliment…

cg2
cg2
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
6 months ago

I had a terrier that could become deranged – not something you would want to mess with up close and personal. Was also a very good judge of character.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
6 months ago

You are misapprehending the key thing: the Zionist project coincides with what the power structure in America really wanted because the power structure in America is Jewish owned/Jewish run. I am getting a sense of bass-ackward in your comment. Any unbiased look at the power structure: financial (being the most important), academic, cultural, political – reveals an undeniable and overwhelming Jewish control. Time and again it is proven: To learn who rules over you, find out whom you may not criticize. How many times must a public figure be forced to kiss the semitic ring for running afoul of the… Read more »

Mr. Generic
Mr. Generic
6 months ago

“The fact that Tucker has not been hurled into the void over this speaks to the changing nature of public consciousness.” Friendly reminder that: – Tucker Carlson has enjoyed a serendipitous career, where even starting at a relative young age, everywhere he went he was greeted with a large audience and millions in advertising dollars (even after FOX News “fired” him) – Tucker’s father ran the Air America propaganda arm for the CIA in Europe during the Cold War – Trump had a relative measured outlook about Covid early on… until Tucker “warned” him and then Orange Man went into… Read more »

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  Mr. Generic
6 months ago

Tucker comes from such an elite background it’d be foolish to be true-blue about him.

He did famously warn Trump that covid was the “real deal” and after the election was stolen in 2020 right in front of our faces he did not entertain such “conspiracy theories.”

I think that everyone known is controlled or co-opted; at the least.

Mr. Generic
Mr. Generic
Reply to  fakeemail
6 months ago

> I think that everyone known is controlled or co-opted; at the least.

Yes! People on here would be shocked at the number of conservatives — even those who publicly proclaim Christ and put forth a genuine Christian image — who have participated in the Bohemian Grove meet up, even as recently as this year!

It is fair to assume that anybody with a big audience or a big budget is a ticket taker.

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  Mr. Generic
6 months ago

It’s just human nature. These are just people who like good money and a big house for their family like anyone else. They do NOT want that taken away and will fall in in line if screws are tightened to threaten any of that.

It was only JC who could resist the temptations of the material world and the threat of physical destruction. No one else can. I’d bet that nearly all commentators here would turn if given the good life for their family. Just human nature.

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  fakeemail
6 months ago

Tuck may well be a limited hangout.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Mr. Generic
6 months ago

Didn’t know Tucker pushed the ridiculous Alien/UFO psyop. You just convinced me he’s controlled op

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
6 months ago

Moran ya Simba: The way I’ve seen/read it, he implied ‘spiritual’ beings rather than aliens. One might even call them ‘demons.’ Considering the EU tunnel opening ceremonies and the murals at the Denver airport, I would not consider this surprising.

I don’t accept anyone unquestioningly, but I wouldn’t utterly disregard Tucker solely on this basis.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  3g4me
6 months ago

Thanks for the clarification. Demons I can understand because the wickedness that is happening is so otherworldly that secular words seem insufficient.

All the UFO/area 51 hullabaloo OTOH is a clear and transparent psyop

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
6 months ago

If it’s clear and transparent, it’s not apt to be a particularly effective psy-op.

Hokkoda
Member
Reply to  3g4me
6 months ago

I don’t need to know anything about Shapiro’s ethnicity to know he’s not on my team. That guy has been doing that “but the Liberals have a point” schtick for many years. He’s a “Yes, but…” conservative whenever it’s time to draw a line and say “This far, no further,” which makes his a lot like the rest of Conservative Inc. 5-6 years ago I could catch his radio show on my afternoon commute. After a few weeks I just couldn’t take it any more. I started pointing this out to my family who would always put up links to… Read more »

Hokkoda
Member
Reply to  Hokkoda
6 months ago

Sorry, somehow this ended up as a reply…

Hemid
Hemid
6 months ago

A side issue maybe, but I think it’s a big deal: An instinct that’s been successfully suppressed lately is to reject the words of people with ugly voices. Obviously this is partly about submitting to foreigners with goofy accents, but fundamentally our society is by/for/about school-age girls, so there’s been a decades-long propaganda campaign (do a news search for “vocal fry” and “uptalk”) to accept their childish noise—and male simulations thereof—as authoritative. The Secretary of State who’s been assigned to derail Trump *is a baby*. The sound is unmistakeable. And yet—or not “and yet” but *therefore*—she decides. Ben Shapiro has… Read more »

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  Hemid
6 months ago

And to reject the words that come out of UGLY FACES.

I DO judge a book by it’s cover; when it comes to people. The outer state reflects the inner state and vice-versa.

It’s the same nonsense as the “just for the color of their skin” mantra; as if blacks are just painted whites.

krustykurmudgeon
krustykurmudgeon
Reply to  Hemid
6 months ago

Daniel Horowitz and Josh Hammer who are two shapiro clones also have annoying high pitched voices.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Hemid
6 months ago

Shapiro = Backfeifengesicht.

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  Bilejones
6 months ago

That is an absolutely splendid word.

Gauss
Gauss
6 months ago

The “dual loyalty” issue came up with JFK, who was criticized for being Catholic and this having divided loyalty to the Pope. I don’t recall the Jewish community coming to his defense. Same goes for judge Barrett.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
6 months ago

“The fact that Tucker has not been hurled into the void over this speaks to the changing nature of public consciousness.” He won’t be, either. Look at the Con, Inc., clowns howling for his blood. These are the ultimate Yesterday Men. Some of these types have mouthed “based” slogans and platitudes recently but their histories negate any seeming conversions. While the has-beens still can snag a Fox gig now and then, the departure of Carlson pretty well threw dirt on the network’s grave. As for Shapiro, and I impute this to others like him, the panic started when the public… Read more »

Tarl Cabot
Tarl Cabot
Reply to  Jack Dodson
6 months ago

Schlichter’s comments were disappointing. I had once thought better of him, but in the end he’s like the Claremonsters, who will make brave noises as they walk right up to the line, and then refuse to cross.

Mow Knowname
Mow Knowname
Reply to  Tarl Cabot
6 months ago

Mow Jr. is looking into Hillsdale College. He knows that if he doesn’t go to flagship state, it’s the only private college I’ll pay for.
“Dad, why do they keep making such a big deal about Churchill and Lincoln? Churchill destroyed the British Empire and Lincoln slaughtered millions”
God bless the little scamp…

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Mow Knowname
6 months ago

Mow: I’d be careful with HIllsdale. Civnat central and very Christian Zionist to boot.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  3g4me
6 months ago

In other words, don’t got to college.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  3g4me
6 months ago

Exactly Right Ostei… Young White Men don’t belong in the hellhole of colleges right now…

Coalclinker
Coalclinker
Reply to  Mow Knowname
6 months ago

Unless he’s getting a degree in STEM, Hillsdale College is as worthless as the other ones. Most of their graduates go into service as the controlled side of the empire. Jews come from Harvard, and “God’s Chosen People Christians” come out of Hillsdale. They’re all opposite sides of a rapidly tarnishing and rotting coin.

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  Coalclinker
6 months ago

Coalclinker: “Hillsdale College is as worthless as the other ones. Most of their graduates go into service as the controlled side of the empire.” Well if he wanted to infiltrate [surreptitiously] the Deep State, then that sounds like the correct avenue down which to be strolling. The problem is that to get the choice assignments, he would have to surrender both the near end and the far end of his digestive tract to the Log Cabin Republicans [which are approximately 99.5% of all Republicans these days]. But if he could somehow skirt [no pun intended] the Log Cabin Republican initiation… Read more »

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  Jack Dodson
6 months ago

Shapiro is so Mossad it’s absurd. But Normies can’t see beyond their Grills.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Jack Dodson
6 months ago

….and Gay’s gone. The Boston Herald article I read made insinuations it was due to the “right-wing.” This one will leave a few marks on Schlomo despite the best efforts of his propagandists. Look for Ackman to give a few million to HBCU’s. The only shock here was a dindu brother or sister couldn’t be pegged to do the dirty work for Schlomo. His attempts to blame goyish criticism are a wonder to behold since the brazen bastard is holding the bloody knife.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Jack Dodson
6 months ago

It just hit me. Of the three academic bitches hauled before Congress (which is outrageous), the low IQ dindu and the AWFL have been sacked but the Jewess remains in place at MIT.

Fakeemail
Fakeemail
Reply to  Jack Dodson
6 months ago

“Academic bitches” is a very apt term. Well done

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  Jack Dodson
6 months ago

The j00z & the j00esses own the entirety of the V@xxination Holocaust in the USA.

Pfizer: Albert Bourla
Moderna: Robert Langer
CDC: Rochelle Walensky
CDC: Mandy Cohen

V@xxine poisonings [especially of goyische children] are an entirely j00ish phenomenon.

Sgt Pedantry
Sgt Pedantry
6 months ago

Shapiro posting in 2024? That little shitstain will be wearing those forty baby heads around his neck for the rest of his life. Fry bigger fish, Z. The big story of 2023 was that a handful of X accounts most of which were unknown to folks like me siezed the moment and moved more minds in 8 1/2 months than the geriatric Taylorite wing of this thing and what is left of the altright have in their entire existence. This is a good thing. This is progress. Noticing what Tucker is timidly beginning to notice or what Alex Jones is… Read more »

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
Reply to  Sgt Pedantry
6 months ago

Well to be fair, you don’t even need to be smart to understand what needs to be done.

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
6 months ago

A man can only serve one master. They will pick their co-ethnics every single time. This is the cost of empire.

Zulu Juliet
Zulu Juliet
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
6 months ago

Most everyone’s loyalty is to their race first. Blacks for example, would rather vote for social/racial solidarity than economic prosperity. Think Coleman Young and Detroit.

Jews are fortunate to be able to vote for both ethnic solidarity and economic prosperity. Whites could do the same, but haven’t figured out how the game is played (yet).

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
6 months ago

I offer belated respect to the original white nationalists who were vilified for saying first what is the subject of today’s Z Man post and what is becoming too obvious to deny. Revilo Oliver, George Lincoln Rockwell, William Pierce, Harold Covington… These guys were far from perfect, especially Rockwell and Covington, but they were able to see what others were not able to see or refused to see. They had insight and courage. (and maybe some personality disorders as well, honestly) They received more universal condemnation that anyone else has ever been punished with, except for the painter who saw… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  LineInTheSand
6 months ago

Tribe Up it’s the only way we win Brother…

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  LineInTheSand
6 months ago

History is one long lesson that it is not enough to be right. It is more important to your own interests, to be timely. Being right but too far ahead, makes you an outcast to the masses that haven’t yet caught on

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
6 months ago

As many have noted, we are past peak Jew. Doesn’t mean that they don’t still run the show and have tremendous power, but they are slowly – very slowly – losing their grip, and it’s freaking them out. Think how long it’s been since anyone publicly or, even, privately questioned their nonsense. They’ve come to believe their own propaganda, so they’re lashing out, incredulous that anyone would dare question their moral authority. Part of their problem is that their magic word “anti-Semitic” reminds too many whites of the million times that they’ve been called racist. And just as racist has… Read more »

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
6 months ago

” They sense that ruling by sheer power is a lot harder than ruling by moral authority.”

Word. The United States government is having the same realization as it moves to brute force against the public. It works until it doesn’t.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Jack Dodson
6 months ago

This is a very good for us. The more force is needed, the more people wake up. The question is whether enough people have woken up that the govt can’t go back to moral authority via propaganda. I don’t know the answer.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
6 months ago

I’m not big on Normie waking up, but he can be awakened against his will if things get bad enough. Rule by force is a tacit admission all moral authority has been lost.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
6 months ago

Europeans, especially Northern Europeans, west and north of the Hajnal Line, for all of their tremendous accomplishments and ability, have a major weakness when it comes to other tribes living among them, which is their trusting and altruistic nature.

The White-majority West was perfect for the Jews to exploit, and nice while it lasted for them. Importing massive numbers of low-trust, clannish people will become a game-changer for the Jews. They really had it good for a while though.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Wolf Barney
6 months ago

It was a massive own goal for Jews. But, hey, they do it all the time. They’re just really cocky.

But even the Jews should have noticed that they’ve never been able to gain a foothold in Asia. Even Japan, a US lapdog, hasn’t allowed them into the system. I’m not sure about India, but they’re so clannish that I’d guess that Jews would have a hard time there as well.

Winter
Winter
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
6 months ago

“But even the Jews should have noticed that they’ve never been able to gain a foothold in Asia.”

It may be clannishness that prevents other societies from getting subverted, but we shouldn’t rule out the fact that Jews can’t use the “my fellow whites” ploy on Asians and Indians.

If Jews were colored blue, for example, they would’ve found it much more difficult to subvert White societies. Even now, when you “blue the Jew” in modern political photos, the result is quite striking.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Wolf Barney
6 months ago

I think you just stated a key concept, even if you may not have realized it: Jews ARE a low-trust, clannish culture, at least over much of their historical existence. To be sure, they were one of the most welcomed, or equivalently least unwelcome, in Christian European lands. Unlike the later arrivals, Jews historically brought useful skills and services to their hosts, albeit with various types of collateral damage to all concerned.

Guest
Guest
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
6 months ago

I don’t know if I buy the argument that we are past peak Jew. In the past eight years they spearheaded the efforts to subvert Trump’s presidency and to impeach Trump. The optics of the impeachment hearing were absolutely terrible for them–it was literally a Jewish inquisition. Most of the key architects behind the rigging of the 2020 election were Jews. They installed Biden as an illegitimate puppet president, and by sheer cohencidence almost every key member of his cabinet is a Jew. They now rule over a deeply divided country that has been blessed by the diversity they sought… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Guest
6 months ago

I think that the fact that they need to come out from behind the curtain shows that something is slipping, but you make good points. If we’re past Peak Jew, it ain’t by much. Regardless, you can see the troubled waters that Jews are entering. The rise of Asians and, particularly, South Asians in the US will absolutely be a problem. We’re seeing that right now. Then, there’s Ashkenazi demographics. Not good. Finally, internationally, there’s the rise of competing moralities. China and Russia make no bones about being for their ethnic/racial people. They also are trying to move away from… Read more »

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Guest
6 months ago

Peak Jew power and influence currently, yes. Jew Noticing within the last year, especially the last few months, has just started the ascent. Pointing out the facts of their vast, disporportionate representation in positions of power and influence to friends and family (without coming across as a wild-eyed fanatic) will speed up Peak Jew Noticing. If this comes across as negative identity behavior, remember that it’s often said in dissident circles to emulate Jewish tactics in gaining power. One of their major tactics has been to point out Whites’ disproportionate positions of power relative to black and brown people. They… Read more »

Coalclinker
Coalclinker
Reply to  Wolf Barney
6 months ago

(((They’ve))) been acting like that in America for at least 200 years. The history books never mention that nearly all of the slavers who brought the blacks over here were Jews.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Guest
6 months ago

I think that shows we are AT peak Jew. Not necessarily past it, but the very fact it is now being noticed is the beginning of the end/downhill slide. You can’t solve a problem until you first realize you have one.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
6 months ago

It is the overreach which seems to be part of their inherent nature that always does them in. Labelling any criticism of Jewish behavior as “anti-semitism” no matter how legitimate the criticism; labeling any “noticing” as anti-semitism no matter how accurate – well, eventually that label is going to lose power.

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
6 months ago

Happy New Year CoaSC. It strikes me that Tucker and his appearance on that show with that scripted set of topics is not a garden variety, just-another-day interview. Tucker is now consistently honing in on loyalty. That host is honing in on it. I don’t watch him much, but I hear he has disappointed since going solo getting involved in UFO goofiness and reverting back to this colorblind CivNattery … … This interview is a significant development. When the guy who the richest man in the world made his first big media bet on starts openly going after subversives or… Read more »

NateG
NateG
6 months ago

Who even watches Ben Shapiro? I’ve only watched him a few times and cannot listen to that annoying voice.

Is it true he only interviews college freshmen and storms off the set when someone puts up a good argument?

RDittmar
Member
Reply to  NateG
6 months ago

Don’t know about that, but he did almost get beat up by a tranny:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFH15w6eZvU&t=311s

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  RDittmar
6 months ago

He’s actually right there. Wrong clip to discredit Shapiro

RDittmar
Member
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
6 months ago

I completely agree that Shapiro’s in the right, but he’s just acting the complete complete wuss when that tranny puts his hand on him. Instead of “Ohhh, that’s not fair in a political debate!”, how about “Get your ‘effing hand off me you freak!”. Even Buckley would have socked that weirdo – and he’d stay plastered!

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  NateG
6 months ago

It’s a mistake to underestimate BS following and his influence among Christians who’ve swallowed the “Judeo-Christian” narrative.

There are more “Christian” Zionists among the Christian faith in the US that Jewish Zionists, and it’s not even close.

He knows exactly what he’s doing, and he’s extremely good at it. You may not think much of his position, but he, and AIPAC, dominate US politics.

(His broadcasting a tearful clip of him singing a prayer in Hebrew was..well, my god.)

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  ProZNoV
6 months ago

So many Normie and Norma Goodchristians LOVE Shapiro, Prager, Medved, Levin, etc.

NateG
NateG
Reply to  fakeemail
6 months ago

Some of the Christian Zionists are mentally unstable. They act like cult members, not Christians. I worked with one a long time ago and brought up the rabbi/circumcision/oral sucking. My wife at the time was a nurse and I read an article in a nursing magazine about it, and written by a Jewish doctor. This Christian Zionist said, ‘that’s anti-Semitic!’ I told him about the magazine and he didn’t believe me so I brought it to work. Honest to God I thought this guy was going to have a stroke after he read it. He got pale and sort of… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  ProZNoV
6 months ago

ProZNoV: Your point about Christian Zionists is a vital one. I’ve been dropping all sorts of ‘poison pills’ in conversations with our neighbors, who were never militantly Christian Zionists but just sort of accepted it along with everything else they were taught as children. In my (limited) experiece, the two best avenues are to link Jews to sexual immorality (porn in general, aggressive LGBQ people, and especially trannies and the sexual mutilation of children) along with petty rules and legalism. The other night at a dinner party they brought up the tranny issue, and my husband and I used the… Read more »

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
Reply to  3g4me
6 months ago

Nicely done. Where are those folks on the race issue? What do they do if you bring that up?

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Tired Citizen
6 months ago

Tired Citizen: It varies, and I have to tread carefully because of the “we’re all brothers iin Christ” teaching (which has been twisted and taken wildly out of context). I’ve found it most useful to acknowledge there are good and bad people of all races (important to defuse the IKAGO issue), but that averages and historical experience matter more (and then back that up with personal experiences and national numbers. Our closest neighbor agreed with me that he would treat everyone courteously but didn’t want them living next to him . . . but then informed me that his daughter… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  NateG
6 months ago

“Is it true he only interviews college freshmen and storms off the set when someone puts up a good argument?”

I spend 10 minutes or so per day behind enemy lines (lefty blogs) and from time to time someone talks about him being “pwned”. All I have to say is it depends on what one calls a “good” argument. Many of these revolve around “clump of cells” and “property is theft”, which if you embrace a certain ideology, if you hold a different set of axioms, can sound like “good” arguments.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  NateG
6 months ago

“Benjamin Shapiro” — sounds like an ambulance-chasing lawyer.

Geo. Orwell
Geo. Orwell
6 months ago

“When the concept of American has been watered down to the point where it often means caring more for strangers than your own family”

Viz., David French going halfway around the world to adopt a highly pigmented rugrat as a vanity token instead of adopting a poor white kid from his own area.

Also I’m embarrassed to ever have thought Kurt Schlichter was edgy. In the end he’s just another lawyer longing for celebrity status.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  Geo. Orwell
6 months ago

It isn’t just a matter of dual loyalties…Many prominent jews have dual citizenship, which was not allowed in the US for many years because prominent people Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson blasted it.It’s very convenient because Israel doesn’t extradite criminals.
Until WW1, fighting for a foreign army would cause you to lose your citizenship, but that changed because of British propaganda about Germans bayonetting babies..(Some propaganda never seems to change..) But the age old understanding that you can serve only one Master remains as true as ever…

Biff
Biff
Reply to  pyrrhus
6 months ago

John Paul Jones was an Admiral in the service of Russia. Died in Paris. Never lost his citizenship.

Coalclinker
Coalclinker
Reply to  Biff
6 months ago

Did you know they took a photograph picture of John Paul Johns?
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ray
ray
6 months ago

‘Jewish liberals attacked Amy Coney Barrett for being a faithful Catholic, especially on abortion.’ If Amy Conehead Barrett was a faithful Christian, she would be finishing up the morning dishes right about now, getting set to bake some cookies for the afternoon visit of her grandchildren. Making God happy and the world better. Instead, she is pretending to be a man, usurping the place, privileges, and responsibilities traditonally reserved for men. Disaster follows such collective foolishness. Females and males are not interchangeable. How quickly folks accept the Revised Overton that Barrett is a ‘conservative’ and a ‘faithful Catholic’. . .… Read more »

fakeemail
fakeemail
Reply to  ray
6 months ago

Yes, I never like Amy Three-Names.

Not just for her three-names, not just for her adoptions, but just for her face. That frigid careerist woman shrill ass face.

Mr. Generic
Mr. Generic
Reply to  ray
6 months ago

Yes, there is no such thing as a female “conservative”. Any woman you see online or in the public sphere has fully internalized feminism whether they admit it or not. The true conservatives you never see because they are taking care of their families.

“Conservative” women are all closet liberals. All of them. They may say the right things, and they may even believe themselves to be trad or conservative, but the second an issue touches them personally, all logic goes out the window. It’s just their nature.

ray
ray
Reply to  Mr. Generic
6 months ago

Certainly, it is female nature and cannot be overthrown, even by themselves.

Men on the Right desperately want to believe that the latest crop of empowered women the GOP hawks for office are just as good . . . no, BETTER than any man. I mean, just look at the based things she says! And she’s hot!

These men need to believe that women are superior morally and spiritually to themselves and to other men. Instead of placing God above themselves, reverencing and seeking to please Him, these men reverence and seek to please women, esp. wives and dotters.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  ray
6 months ago

Weak men create hard times Brother…Women in positions of power means there is a shit ton of weak men out there…

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Lineman
6 months ago

No such thing as strong women. Only weak men

ray
ray
Reply to  Lineman
6 months ago

It does, and there is.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  ray
6 months ago

ray: Preach, Brother. Some of our neighbors, who are quick to denounce sexual immorality and societal decay, are also quick to humblebrag about their grandchildren. More specifically, their granddaughters who are all going to be lawyers and doctors and change-the-world heroines. It is folly to take aim first at the cuckservatards for raising their daughters to be career women, when so many purported dissidents cavil at teaching their daughters the importance of being wives and mothers.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  3g4me
6 months ago

Amen on that Sister…The cogdis is really strong in the conservative realm… Anyone on the right still sending their daughters off to college are feeding Moloch just as much as the left is…

ray
ray
Reply to  3g4me
6 months ago

3g4me — Wherever I lurk on Christian/eschatology sites, there are Christian men bragging about their daughters ‘busting down the old boy’s network’ or ‘smashing through the glass ceiling’. Sigh. That’d be the ‘terrible patriarchy’ and ‘old boy’s network’ created and ordered by GOD. I keep after the conservacucks and ‘Christians’ almost daily because there is some profit there — you get ’em one-by-one. Re-routing a glacier takes time. All Christians should read or re-read the final chapter of Malachi to find out what happens if feminism endures in the nations. I suggest they start believing in their own King and… Read more »

Tired Citizen
Tired Citizen
Reply to  ray
6 months ago

Great post. Speaking of which, I have a civ nat friend who describes his wife as a conservative feminist. I swear, I’m not making that up. She’s nice, but she’s really clueless.

David Davenport
David Davenport
6 months ago

Hey there, Zman: Amy Wax on Her Students STEVE SAILER • DECEMBER 30, 2023 • 2,200 WORDS • 288 COMMENTS • 100 NEW • REPLY … Intelligent Dasein says: January 1, 2024 at 7:41 pm GMT • 19.8 hours ago • 300 Words ↑ @New Dealer The ideal of equality is often misunderstood, by elements of both the left and the right. It seems it is misunderstood primarily by yourself—you, and that deranged terrier calling himself The Z-Man. The “created equal” statement in the Preamble to the Declaration of Independence, in the context of the entire document, means, and was… Read more »

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

A name like “Intelligent Dasein” makes me think of names like “Tiny” or “Thin”: humorous because the descriptor is the exact opposite.

Guest
Guest
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

I’m convinced it’s an AI bot being trained to read a text and generate esoteric counter-points.

Remember the old Tom Friedman article generator from 10-15 years ago? You picked a few keywords, pressed enter, and it automatically generated an article in the style of Tom Friedman, which is to say a word salad of gibberish and name-dropping built around a theme.

This writing has all the same characteristics, i.e., a word salad of gibberish built around a theme, coupled with historical, literary, and religious references to give it a hint of authenticity.

TorontoTraveller
TorontoTraveller
Reply to  David Davenport
6 months ago

I noticed thar Unz has a commenter with the handle “Z-Man” but I’m sure that is not our esteemed host.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  TorontoTraveller
6 months ago

I noticed Z-Man the commenter over at Unz a while ago, and thought he was THE Zman. After reading a few comments, I realized they’re not the same. Am I right?

Poggo
Poggo
Reply to  Wolf Barney
6 months ago

The pretender on Unz has a 50 IQ point deficit.

Interestingly enough, the Z-man account on Twitter seems to be a much angrier man than the blog.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

You should sue for copyright infringement.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

In the past you have referred to Shapiro as “Benny passports”. I’ve always wondered where that came from.

Maxda
Maxda
6 months ago

Ben Shapiro telling me that he gets to have a religious ethno-state, but I don’t was an important part of my awaking. I appreciated the education, while never listening to him again.

Filthie
Filthie
6 months ago

This new “antisemitism” is HUGE. Ben and his fart catchers are starting to panic. It shames me to say it: I was one of those suckers for most of my life. Antisemitism left me disgusted and with serious questions about an antisemite’s sanity. I’d come across li’l Ben occasionally on the internet, and he seemed to make the right noises. Never paid much attention to him. The only reason I started taking antisemitism seriously was because people here and over at blab that I respected…were calling BS on perfidious jewish tribal behaviour. I started doing deep dives and fact checking… Read more »

Diversity Heretic
Member
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

Is it good for our people that there is a Jewish state in the Levant? There was no such state from the founding of America until 1948 and the sun came up every day from sea to shining sea. Unfortunately, Jewish influencers and Protestant heretics have convinced most Americans that America’s interests are best served by a slavish devotion to Israel. Israel is, mostly likely, a 20th-21st Crusader Kingdom that will not exist in 2100. Neither will the United States, but that’s a different issue.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
6 months ago

“There was no such state from the founding of America until 1948 and the sun came up every day from sea to shining sea.” Yes. 100% this. Israel does not in any way advance U.S. interests. Washington’s Farewell Address and J.Q. Adams’s “Monroe Doctrine” explicitly counseled against the type of subservient relationship the U.S. has toward Israel. I would also argue that the U.S. financial support for Israel violates the Establishment Clause of the Constitution. Israel is not simply a foreign nation; the State of Israel is the ultimate fulfillment of the Mosaic Covenant and its existence is the entire… Read more »

cg2
cg2
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
6 months ago

“Is it good for our people that there is a Jewish state in the Levant?”

Maybe if they all went there?

Filthie
Filthie
Member
Reply to  cg2
6 months ago

That’s a valid point. That was the intent of the foundation of Israel – to give the jews someplace to go and get them out of our hair. Who cared it it set the middle east on fire? They were all goat humping sandal slappers, and if they got uppity, we’d just kill them and be done with it in those days. It is a much different world today, as we are starting to see. I won’t be surprised one bit if we lose a carrier or even an entire group in the Red Sea. We really need to get… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
6 months ago

No worries. It looks like the ME will soon be in Russia’s sphere of influence. Europe had better start working the North Sea for all it’s worth! Or maybe start thinking about a trans-Atlantic pipeline lol.

Lloyd Buchner
Lloyd Buchner
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
6 months ago

The crew of the USS Liberty might have an opinion on the sanctity of the Hebrew state. The survivors anyway

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

Agree. For a lot of us, there’s an initial anger/freedom to tell the truth period after discovering that we’ve lied to all of our lives for a nefarious purpose. But that should just a phase, a phase followed by the desire to build something new, and that can’t happen if you become obsessed with Jews or make them out to be far more powerful than they are. That said, being indifferent to Jews doesn’t mean ignoring their power or plans. I just see them as another team on the field (a very, very strong team, admittedly), so it’s best for… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
6 months ago

But that should just a phase, a phase followed by the desire to build something new, and that can’t happen if you become obsessed with Jews or make them out to be far more powerful than they are.

Amen on that Brother…I often wonder what is the main cause of holding people back to build something new…You would think that genocide of them and everything they hold dear would be enough motivation to get them to start but I guess since the pain isn’t acute enough for them they will continue to set and just narrate their downfall…

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Lineman
6 months ago

I think that it’s partially the nature of whites – altruistic. I also think that we just got weak and indulgent from being on top for 500 years. Finally, yeah, upper middle-class whites are still pretty comfortable and can buy their way out of most of what’s happening. I think a decent number of whites got a taste of what’s here and what’s coming during the BLM bs. It wasn’t enough to get them off the couch, but it was enough for them to start saying, “Hey, what’s going on here.” But asking that question is always where it starts.… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Lineman
6 months ago

I often wonder what is the main cause of holding people back to build something new

Things are too comfortable for enough people in the right positions.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

“The alternative to philo-semitism is not antisemitism. Indifference, mild annoyance, honest critique…”

Guess you missed the memo where those were all redefined as antisemitism. Can’t count how many people have gotten after me for asking, “OK, but how is that America’s concern?”

Whitney
Member
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

This is enormously effective. I don’t know how many people at this point I’ve said these aren’t my people this isn’t my fight I don’t care on the left and the right who got a palatable sense of relief from hearing me saying it. It’s like I gave them permission that they don’t have to choose aside in this battle

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

“The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy” – John Mearshimer Zman makes an important distinction; it is possible to be pro-Jewish (or neutral) while being actively anti-Zionist. They are not the same. Plenty of US Jews are ambivalent on Zionism. JM’s book takes this on in a neutral manner. “What interests does the US have in the region, what is the best way to achieve them?” —– It’s impossible to notice that the US has been heavily impacted by AIPAC for decades. Gulf War II was about “OIL”. Oil Israel Logistics Only one clear winner in that regard. Iraq was… Read more »

Filthie
Filthie
Member
Reply to  ProZNoV
6 months ago

Yes and no.

In point of fact, you are mistaken on one point. I think it was either Biden or Turdo that decreed that anti-Zionism was a hate crime equal to anti-semitism and there is no difference between the two.

Unfortunately for them that does not seem to be silencing the critics much…

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  ProZNoV
6 months ago

There is no question of dual loyalty. Jews have one loyalty: Jews.

I don’t doubt that many American Jews can often have issues with Israel and Zionism, but that’s because they worry that Israeli actions or overly aggressive Zionism is bad for the Jewish people.

I don’t doubt that many American Jews are very ambivalent about immigration, but mainly because they worry that it hurts Jews. Granted, they might even have some sympathy for whites whom they feel most comfortable around, but the Jewish people is always the primary concern.

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

Well said. The first step to taking power is claiming our power over our emotions and ourselves. We are Europeans living in the former country that our forefathers built upon this once stone age continent. The reality is simple – those who deconstructed it have replaced it with a multi-racial spoils system. It is our race that has been selected as the villain – the target that unites the other races. Step one is to accept that fact. Go through the process and accept it. Step two is you are either a healthy person who has no decision to make… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

This is correct. But as the old adage goes – you may not be interested in Jews, but Jews are interested in you.

I couldn’t care less what happens between Arabs and Israelis but for the fact that most of our government (not to mention other institutions) is controlled by them and they use that control to the ruin of me and my people. If they left me and my people alone, I would have no interest in them.

They have not left me alone.

Mycale
Mycale
6 months ago

This stuff really isn’t hard. I don’t Ben Shapiro’s inner thoughts and feelings. I don’t know if he qualifies as a “patriot”, whatever that means. All I know is that, as Z pointed out, he cares a lot more, on a emotional level, about Israelis than he does Americans. A lot of people noticed this after the Hamas raid because it was so obvious. Nobody can really deny it, so without the ability to deny it, the Klavan types try to lead you down this rabbit hole where you are arguing over Ben Shapiro’s inner thoughts and feelings, over what… Read more »

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Mycale
6 months ago

My ridiculous hypotheis:

If the US Navy was stretched thin and had to choose 2 of the 3:

1. Defend Hawaii from China after they steamrolled Taiwan
2. Defend Alaska as Putin takes advantage to take back Alaska
3. Defend Israel in the Mediterranean from 1 billion screaming ticked off neighbors

A no brainer for non-dual loyalty types.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  ProZNoV
6 months ago

“If the US Navy was stretched thin and had to choose 2 of the 3…”

Do I have to choose 2?

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
6 months ago

This is basically the main problem with Empire. We will always have some little “barking dog” ally who will talk smack with neighbors and drag us into conflict. England of yore had Serbia and we have Israel. All we have accomplished through NATO expansion is setting up multiple trigger points for conflict and increasing the perimeter we need to defend without adding commensurate defense resources. Post-Soviet NATO has more members than Soviet-era NATO. And all the newbies need F-35s at US taxpayer expense. Meanwhile the entire Upper West Side is now recoiling with horror in the realization that their immigration… Read more »

Jannie
Jannie
Reply to  Captain Willard
6 months ago

“Meanwhile the entire Upper West Side is now recoiling with horror in the realization that their immigration policy, intended to dilute the power of White grillers, has also added hordes of Mohammedans who hate Israel”

Also hordes of anti-Semitic Latin Catholics and hordes of direct high-IQ competitors from Asia who could care less about WW2.

usNthem
usNthem
6 months ago

It’s interesting that this broader, nascent questioning of the loyalty of jews and their overwhelming influence in all aspects of American and western societies is beginning to bubble up. They’ve seemingly had a lock on the discourse for several decades at least, but now more and more are actually noticing. Granted these anti-israel/jewish protests are almost exclusively driven by imported swarthies from arab countries, but it’s kind of getting the word out, and of course, social media is playing a big role. I guess, as usual, will anything ever be done about their power? They’ve been trading on the holycause… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  usNthem
6 months ago

October 7 was the day the Globohomo coalition in the West started to collapse. Its two columns, money and numbers, or brains and muscles, had a hateful divorce. That toothpaste isn’t going back in

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
6 months ago

it started to collapse long before that – Brexit, and the election of Donald Trump, were the first real signs that people were not buying what they were selling anymore. The Globohomo empire, of course, retailiated against both of these things, hard, by clamping down on discourse, engineering show trials, censorship, ramping up of propaganda, etc., but as we see now, none of that has worked. That’s because that stuff never really works. They think it works, for sure – they all breathed a sight of relief after Brandon “won” in 2020, but here it is 3 years later and… Read more »

Jannie
Jannie
Reply to  Mycale
6 months ago

Brexit has been a success for Britain. Would be even more so if more of the ruling class supported it wholeheartedly.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Jannie
6 months ago

Jannie: I wouldn’t consider replacing White Catholic Polish immigrant workers with yet more Indians and Pakistanis an unqualified success. Of course the Poles ought to live and work in their own nation, rather than chasing higher pay all over Europe, but if one must have immigrant workers (highly questionable in England’s case) there’s really no question who’d be more compatible.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Mycale
6 months ago

Globohomo and the people started their divorce long ago. October 7 was when the split between Jewish power and POC cracked to the surface. This is what makes it so important. The cracks go back but this time they couldn’t be papered over. And this strange alliance was the heart of Globohomo

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
6 months ago

I don’t follow you. Could you extend a bit? Globo, sure, but Muslims aren’t exactly pro-LGBTetc. How does Hamas attacking a concert bring an end to Globohomo? Or are saying the homo part is an essential element to the Great Reset?

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Steve
6 months ago

The homo part in Globohomo has a double meaning, shorthand for homogenization and of course the gay part. The perversion promotion of Globohomo was a means to undermine middle class families, cohesion and fertility.

The Globohomo coalition was always a dog’s breakfast of strange characters held together only by their shared hatred of Whites. That coalition was hit with murderous internal hatred on October 7 and its aftermath. This was possibly the first time internal hatred was stronger than their shared hatred of us

Going forward they are a wounded hyena now

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
6 months ago

Oh, didn’t know about the other “homo”. Thanks.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  usNthem
6 months ago

> At this pace, along with the flooding of America with massive brown sewage, the only way for them to retain their mystical power will be with the barrel of a gun rather than cries of anti-semitism. Started to realize these guys weren’t deep thinkers when they thought they could control discourse after importing millions with no connection to the old mythos of the nation. They’re going to be destroyed as their ethnicity dilutes due to being seen as simply White, to the extend that only the ultra-orthodox Jews will be the only ones with a cohesive identity. Too bad… Read more »

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
6 months ago

> Are you more loyal to an abstract concept or to people who look like you, sound like you and share your same concerns about your community? The We’re All Americans schtick doesn’t work even on the right anymore. What’s interesting is how people showcase their loyalties now. It used to be there was little to no overt messaging outside of election time, and now it seems a good half of people have to make their loyalties known. Whenever I walk around the neighborhood, I make a mental assessment of who might be on my side when SHTF. The houses… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Chet Rollins
6 months ago

I mostly watch for guys with their heads on a swivel. I suspect most worthwhile allies are going to be grey.

Zulu Juliet
Zulu Juliet
Reply to  Chet Rollins
6 months ago

Betsy Ross? I won’t display the current flag of empire. That’s not my country anymore. I put up the old, (newly racist) Betsy Ross. Don’t Tread on Me should only be flown if you are positive you are willing to get in a gun battle with SWAT with your wife and children in the house.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Zulu Juliet
6 months ago

Try the Sons of Liberty flag. If I ever get a flagpole again that will probably be the one I get.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Chet Rollins
6 months ago

Welp, the all-white flag is “I surrender”, isn’t it?
The stirring colors of Normiecon Nation, so far.

David Davenport
David Davenport
Reply to  Chet Rollins
6 months ago

“… Whenever I walk around the neighborhood, I make a mental assessment of who might be on my side when SHTF. The houses showcasing …:

How would you react to a Confederate flag?

The Greek
The Greek
Reply to  Chet Rollins
6 months ago

I’ve long liked z’s idea of hoisting the jolly Rodger as a sign of being a dissident. Aside from that, I also like Sparta’s lambda, as the Peloponnesian war was the original battle of left vs right. Egalitarians vs natural hierarchy. However, most people who fly this today are Molon labe gun enthusiasts; also likely on our side in a crisis, but not necessarily the same understanding of the conflict.

Danny
Danny
Reply to  Chet Rollins
6 months ago

Pull away, me lads o’ the Cardiff Rose
And hoist the Jolly Roger

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
6 months ago

The proposition nation fails in a storm and is being replaced with tribal nations. We’re going to need the macro version of divorce lawyers but I don’t think that’ll work. It’ll get ugly

RedBeard
RedBeard
6 months ago

Loyalty to the Pope, the Catholic faith requires loyalty to ones own legitimate civil government. It also requires action to overthrow and oppose a tyranny when it becomes illegitimate and other civil options have been exhausted.

Drive-By Shooter
Drive-By Shooter
Reply to  RedBeard
6 months ago

From Unam Sanctam, a papal bull of the 14th century: “Both swords, the spiritual and the material, therefore, are in the power of the church; the one, indeed, to be wielded for the church, the other by the church; the one by the hand of the priest, the other by the hand of kings and knights, but at the will and sufferance of the priest. One sword, moreover, ought to be under the other, and the temporal authority to be subjected to the spiritual.” So is not a Catholic’s “loyalty to ones own legitimate civil government” required to be SUBORDINATE… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Drive-By Shooter
6 months ago

Of course a Catholic’s loyalty to the government is conditional. As should any Christian’s loyalty to the king (government) be – whether Catholic, Protestant or Orthodox. The correct order is God, Family, Country, etc., etc. government (if at all – “government” is just an arrangement of convenience, can’t really feel any “loyalty” to it – only obedience if deserved). The king’s good servant, but God’s first. Any Christian who professes otherwise worships mammon, not God.

David Davenport
David Davenport
Reply to  c matt
6 months ago

“Of course a Catholic’s loyalty to the government is conditional. As should any Christian’s loyalty to the king (government) be – whether Catholic, Protestant or Orthodox.”

Would that also apply to 1930’s Germans?

Dutch Boy
Dutch Boy
Reply to  c matt
6 months ago

“I die the King’s good servant, and God’s first.”
– St. Thomas More

c matt
c matt
Reply to  RedBeard
6 months ago

Loyalty to the Pope is itself conditional. Only when he acts within the legitimate authority of his office and in accordance with the faith. People get this wacked out idea that he is some sort of cult leader who can order whatever he wants. Unfortunately there are some who feed this impression.

Mow Knowname
Mow Knowname
6 months ago

“The fact that Tucker has not been hurled into the void over this speaks to the changing nature of public consciousness.”

My online reading is highly curated, but “what Carlson said on his show” would always filter down to my normie friends. Tucker WAS hurled into the void: he isn’t on Fox, so he doesn’t exist for all intents. Outside of our ghetto, very few people have a clue what goes on with the former TV host.

Whitney
Member
Reply to  Mow Knowname
6 months ago

That was my thought also. Tucker is screaming from the void. Might work. We’ll see.

Mr. Generic
Mr. Generic
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

One could point out that the Twitter “views” numbers are largely faked, but then again, it’s unlikely the viewing numbers for TV are reliable either.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  thezman
6 months ago

zman: It’s all very much a generational thing. My husband and I are just about the only ones we know our age who don’t watch any network tv or news. Most people I talk with in our rural area have no idea of acronymns or memes or even talking points that I now consider old hat – neither did most middle aged/older Whites in the DFW ‘burbs. And yet – my 32 year old son tells me the old-style internet and blogs such as this one are now very much old hat and dying. Those whom he considers current thinkers… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  3g4me
6 months ago

He’s right Sister the older crowd just doesn’t understand the anger and even downright hatred of them…I hear all the time from my son’s and daughters friends that they think the boomers sold their birthrights for a pot of porridge… Civil War is going to be so uncivil that’s it’s going to shock and freeze up most people…South Africa is childs play for what’s coming here and yet most our side continues to remain stagnant…

krustykurmudgeon
krustykurmudgeon
Reply to  3g4me
6 months ago

3g4me – your son is my age. Are you a second wave boomer like my parents?

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  krustykurmudgeon
6 months ago

krustykurmudgeon: I just turned 65. As far as generations or anything else goes, I consider myself a unicorn.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Mow Knowname
6 months ago

I have to politely disagree. Far more do Twitter than Fox.
That’s where the energy is.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Alzaebo
6 months ago

Alzaebo: Yes, he specified Twitter and Instagram for non boomers. When I responded that I was fine reading and skimming online, he said no one WANTs old ladies like me to join them on those platforms anyhow. I suppose I can just offer ’emotional support’ from afar.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
6 months ago

Thus the old joke “dual loyalty would actually be an improvement”.
Should also note that “Israel as the shadow 51st-state” was a better pitch than “America as the shadow-7th mekhozot” (Yes, I had to look it up)

David Wright
Member
6 months ago

Did I just notice Matt Walsh fidgeting in his seat a little?

KGB
KGB
Reply to  David Wright
6 months ago

Matt’s interesting. Not on this side of the divide but occasionally casting a furtive glance our way. To see him publicly break with Shapiro over Benny’s passport status would kick away another stone at tye base of the hill. One of these days the landslide will begin.