A Lesson In Managerial Imbecility

It appears the end times have been avoided as Israel has been forced to take no for an answer and not escalate her war with Iran. The Iranians put on a show of force, apparently as part of a deal with Washington, as their answer to the Israeli attack on their consulate in Damascus. Israel has been making noises about “retaliation” but for now it appears they are not getting any support for it. At least for now, it seems the prospects for a regional war have ended.

On the surface this looks like a rare occurrence of realpolitik from Washington, as they used diplomatic channels to head off a major conflict. That or the hotheads who always want war were finally told no by the few remaining sober minded people left in the foreign policy establishment. Alternatively, it could simply be that Iran had other motivations in addition to avoiding war. In other words, dumb luck saved Washington from a catastrophe in the Middle East.

Evidence for the latter was on display during and after the attack. The first thing that was reported was an impressive number of drones put into the air from a variety of locations in Iran, northern Iraq, and Yemen. Israel had no trouble taking out these drones, but that is not the point. The point is Iran can fill the sky with cheap targets for the extremely expensive Israeli air defense system. Modern war is fought on the balance sheet and Iran can now fight on that front.

It was not just a drone attack. The Iranians launched a variety of cruise missiles mingled in with their drone swarms. This is a tactic the Russians used to deplete the Ukrainian air defense systems last year. They filled the sky with drones. This often overwhelmed the air defense systems, but also exposed the location of radars and launchers, which were targeted by missiles. The Iranians demonstrated the ability to coordinate this sort of attack, which is an ability they lacked to this point.

The third interesting bit from that attack was the use of liquid fueled ballistic missiles, which were able to penetrate Israel air defenses. These were the strikes that hit the airfield in the Israeli desert. To this point it was assumed the Iranians did not have the technology for this sort of missile. As far as anyone knew, they had solid fuel rockets, but now they seem to have taken the next step in rocketry. It also means their chemical industry has also made big strides.

The final item of interest is the accuracy of the attack. To this point it was assumed the Iranians did not have the ability to precisely target their missiles or guide them in flight, but it appears they now have the technology. Presumably, they now have access to GLONASS, which is the Russian GPS. It also means they have the ability to use this information in real time to adjust flight paths. The Russians most likely supplied this at some point over the last two years.

This is why the “dumb luck” option makes the most sense. The reason the Russians are willing to help the Iranians with this is the gross mismanagement of American foreign policy over the last decade or more. In the past, Russia and China avoided these sorts of technology transfers, in order to avoid sanctions. Now that the West has imposed every conceivable sanction on Russia, the Russia are free to act in ways that they never would have considered five years ago.

Of course, the fact that sanctions failed to dent the Russian economy has made the threat of sanctions into a barking chihuahua. The Chinese have been transferring technology to Russia, despite the threat of sanctions. The reason is they see how the Russians got around those sanctions. This also means the Chinese could be helping the Iranians with their missile program as well. Iran, after all, revolutionized the drone game with the Shahed 136, so have things to share too.

All of this is the result of mismanagement by Washington. The sanctions war on Russia was poorly conceived and executed, but the biggest mistake was not considering the downstream consequences. Iran now has the ability to make anti-ship missiles that the American navy cannot defeat. No one knows if they have taken this step, but now we know they can take that step. This would most likely not have been possible if not for the sanctions war on the world.

This incident between Iran and Israel is a good example of how the decline in aptitude accelerates in a managerial system. The selection pressure inside the foreign policy establishment has been in favor of conformity to orthodoxy over strategic thinking, which has resulted in an ecosystem in which people like Victoria Nuland rise to the highest reaches of the system. Like everyone else, she rose up the ranks due to her fidelity to established orthodoxy in spite of her incompetence.

You can be sure the collection of dullards and mediocrities that run the Biden administration are celebrating themselves for defusing this situation. Instead of recognizing what really happened, they come away thinking they are master chess players on the international stage. That is another thing about managerialism. Every failure is somehow turned into confirmation of their expertise. The result is a system packed to the gills with overly confident imbeciles.

The question that arises from this is when will these imbeciles run out of luck and do something from which they cannot be saved? The Soviets had the Afghan war debacle and then the Chernobyl meltdown. Taken together, these failures by their managerial class drained all trust from the system. Most likely it will take something similar to collapse American managerialism. People might want to look up the nearest nuclear power plant and make sure you are not downwind.


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hokkoda
Member
1 month ago

The whole Iran vs. Israel thing is for show. The OBiden regime is friends with Iran, and has been since Obama was in office. They take every opportunity they can get to ship Iran billions of dollars, and we left behind billions in weapons in Afghanistan to help both them and the Russians and Chinese compete. So, Israel bombs an embassy outside their country, but not the actual embassy, just an “annex” allegedly housing Iranian military leaders. Iran launched a live televised “response” with half a day’s notice and all the cameras were set up and ready to go to… Read more »

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  hokkoda
1 month ago

There was a time when I would have said adjust tinfoil hat and that you were an Alex Jones level of conspiracy theorist. Post Covid? I cannot say that to you. I’m so utterly untrusting of all governments now that I could fully see some ridiculous 3 way call between Biden, Bibi, and Khomeini. “Ok we are all agreed on the plan? Sounds good… talk to you later guys!” At the end of the day, whether it was orchestrated in the manner you outlined or its simply terribly incompetent leadership fumblefucking their way through a needless conflict, it really makes… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Apex Predator
1 month ago

The current state of affairs is that the regime claims that the difference between men and women is imaginary. IOW they are saying to our faces that they are either raving mad or they hold us in such contempt that they enjoy telling us idiotic things and expect us to take them seriously. Whichever it is that suggests we should not place any limits on what they might be up to.

Hokkoda
Member
Reply to  Apex Predator
1 month ago

I’ve long advocated people take the absolutely most-cynical assessment of anything the US government does. Combine this with the going in assumption that they are lying ALL THE TIME. They are never not lying. It’s their default setting.

Do those two things, and you’ll basically never be surprised.

It’s probably only a matter of time until the US government gets outed as the source of the terror attack in Moscow.

COVUD red-pilled a lot of people. The fake vaccines red pilled more. The Government Party’s only hope is to remove Trump from the ballot.

Gespenst
Gespenst
Reply to  hokkoda
1 month ago

“The beauty of incompetence is that it simply cannot be sustained.”

The incompetence that flowered in 1914 wasn’t sustained, but it caused a lot of damage while it lasted.

We might be headed for something similar.

Hokkoda
Member
Reply to  Gespenst
1 month ago

Based on the lunacy and many tragedies that took place during and after Covid, I think you’re right.

Things will get worse, much worse, before they get better.

The “accelerationists” may be about to find out whether that was such a hot idea.

Gideon
Gideon
1 month ago

Why are our managerial elites acting against their own interests? Maybe what we’re seeing is not so much imbecility as it is alien influence. Something more akin to neuroparasitology, or “zombie” parasitism. I mean, look at the US and UK governments’ response to the October 7th Hamas raid into Israel versus the ongoing invasion across their own borders of millions of military-age men. They “stand with Israel” in the ethnic cleansing of Gazans; while offering the latter luxury accommodation to the detriment of their own native populations. And the natives can go to prison for pointing it out. Heck, US… Read more »

Pozymandias
Reply to  Gideon
1 month ago

You’ll know America is fully cooked and ready for the fork when Israel snuggles up next to Russia for protection.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Gideon
1 month ago

OK, so how do you explain their response to Ukraine or Taiwan?

Gideon
Gideon
Reply to  Steve
1 month ago

Russia-Ukraine is an easy one. There are grudges against Slavs for the pogroms purportedly suffered by their ancestors. While they would prefer a return to the 90s with Russia again subject to rule by “oligarchs,” the death of many descendants of their former neighbors in the Pale of Settlement (incorporated in modern-day Ukraine) is perhaps equally sweet. China-Taiwan is more complicated. Its rise is partly attributable to the offshoring of American industry. If China’s party leaders subsequently fail to kowtow to American dictats, then our alien influencers would be perfectly happy to wreck the GAE economies to an even greater… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Gideon
1 month ago

Why pick Russia, though? The Bolsheviks were mostly Jewish. Why pick on a major nuclear power that was a Jewish creation itself? What would the Jews have to gain from that?

Gideon
Gideon
Reply to  Steve
1 month ago

The Bolsheviks did not create Russia (whose majority populous they hated, according to Solzhenitsyn); they created the Soviet Union. Although partially purged from leadership by Stalin, the tribe remained mostly loyal Soviets up until the time that country entered its terminal decline. As to the nuclear question, you might ask the same of every NATO leader except Orbán. The supposition is that those who influence Western policy are implacably hostile to the West, just as they are hostile to Russia.

Zaphod
Zaphod
Reply to  Steve
1 month ago

Because under Stalin (latter part of reign), Krushchev, and Brezhnev our favourite people were purged and otherwise dragged kicking and screaming from the levers of power they had worked so hard to get their grubby blood-stained mitts a-hold of.

After that, it’s just Milton’s Paradise Lost in their grubby pus-stained imaginations.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Steve
1 month ago

Interesting, @Zaphod. I have no idea what the Jewish story of that time was, but it hardly surprises me that they might have exaggerated things a bit. OK, a lot. It’s not that Jews were discriminated against , but rather that a disproportionate amount of Jews were Zionists, (a “reactionary” movement) and USSR was desperately trying to avoid a brain drain. The non-Zionists largely retained their positions. The Soviets of the day even used their example to show how anti-Semitic the West was. But, yeah, if the Jews created a completely different story, I guess that would do it. Do… Read more »

Gideon
Gideon
Reply to  Steve
1 month ago

You’re correct that the Soviet Union was no more antisemitic than is the Russia of today. Although both found it prudent to remove them from the upper echelons of power. I think the emergence of refusniks largely dates from the dying years of the Soviet era.

(BTW I did not down-vote your comments because I find them sincere—and in truth you’re hardly the only one to ask such questions.)

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Gideon
1 month ago

Oh, shoot, hit Post too soon.

China makes no sense, either. Why wouldn’t antagonizing China result in sanctions? Currently our official policy is One China. Wouldn’t becoming a belligerent be cause for China to doubt our sincerity, and flex their economic muscles?

Gideon
Gideon
Reply to  Steve
1 month ago

The policy makes no sense to you because you do not think like the people with influence over US policy. China’s leaders must be asking themselves some of these same questions.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Steve
1 month ago

Ah, it makes no sense because they make no sense…

Gideon
Gideon
Reply to  Steve
1 month ago

Okay, I’ve got to down-vote that one. I won’t bother reading anything else you post. Enjoy your opinions!

Whiskey
Whiskey
Reply to  Gideon
1 month ago

Never, EVER underestimate the hate hate hate, the fury, of Woke Rich White women against ordinary White guys. See the Titiana McGrath character running NPR, Katherine Maher. Full of woke tirades against White men who she hates. Married to some Indian guy. The hate is strong in her. Pretty much most of the Corporate world, NGO-istan (CIA cut outs), Government, and the mid to upper tier of management throughout is filled with Katherine Maher types. Spouting “Truth gets in the way of woke!” and such. They just reflexively HATE White guys and everything they built. They HATE ordinary White guys… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Whiskey
1 month ago

The projection is that by 2030, 45% of AINO women aged 25-44 will be single and childless

Rise of the SHEconomy, I’ve seen it called

Ivan
Ivan
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 month ago

The gynocracy is more like it. C u next tuesday.

mmack
mmack
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 month ago

Rise of the SHEconomy, I’ve seen it called

Which will crest and disappear as the singletons die off with no children to replace them.

Gideon
Gideon
Reply to  Whiskey
1 month ago

No doubt. But evolution dictates that when their people are defeated most women will readily adapt to the newcomers. Our advertising helpfully suggests some of their available options. Notwithstanding, most white women still show a strong ingroup preference. You can decide for yourself if this is more due to solidarity or the fact that we’re not yet fully defeated. The continued existence of the Afrikaners or the creoles of Latin America suggests there is some room for optimism.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Gideon
1 month ago

There’s a line in their own bullshit, a verse in Numbers that refer to then as “A people who shall dwell alone.”

When?

RVIDXR
RVIDXR
1 month ago

At this point everyone with a room temperature IQ knows the grim reaper is hovering over the US, waiting out the inevitable while preparing for the funeral is the most preferable option. If the US implodes before the rest of the non NATO world is economically shored up everyone is gonna feel it & nobody wants that. The same goes for war with the US, no point in expending energy on an enemy who’s committing slow motion suicide. Problem is israel & at least some elements of the ruling party in the US are also aware of this. They both… Read more »

XLOVELI
Reply to  RVIDXR
1 month ago

I’m sure the prophecy can be interpreted 100 different ways. ∆

Ede Wolf
Ede Wolf
1 month ago

Why is liquid fuel important?

Rando
Rando
Reply to  Ede Wolf
1 month ago

Good question. The US ICBM program started with liquid fueled rockets then transitioned to solid fuel rockets. Solid rocket fuel is easier to deal with logistically. They can also be kept on standby indefinitely without worrying about fuel boil off. Liquid fuel is generally more efficient though, and can be throttled for precision targeting.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Ede Wolf
1 month ago

Control. With solid fuel, the reaction happens only on the fuel surface, meaning predictable acceleration, and is digital — full power until the fuel is gone, then no power. With liquid fuel, it’s powered flight can be easily adjusted.

(((They))) Live
(((They))) Live
Reply to  Ede Wolf
1 month ago

It’s allows for better control, solid motors work, but you can’t turn them ob and off, and throttle them down

You start your program with solid motors, but you want to master liquids

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  (((They))) Live
1 month ago

I’ve mastered whisky and gin…

SirLawrence
SirLawrence
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

No True Scotchman would make such a claim.

But I’ll give you gin. That’s what mustache man used to fuel his V2’s.

If you want to play rocket man for reals you get into tequila.

Nothing says “Rapid Unplanned Disassembly”* like fermented cactus water mixed with a filthy broomstick by a 5’ tall Aztec.

If you want to fly close to the sun, that is. And then fist fight your best friend over the last churro.

*what you call an explosion when you are on the government tit.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Ede Wolf
1 month ago

Modern ballistic weaponry missiles are multistage. Typically a solid fuel motor is used as the initial booster, burns consistently and completely while pushing the missile upward into an initial trajectory toward its target. Then there can be a secondary solid fuel booster if the intent is to get very high into near space conditions (effectively no atmosphere). As the missile descends in a thin atmospheric environment, it will accelerate by gravity to hypersonic speed and start glowing like a meteor when it then reenters the atmosphere. Now this is the interesting part, the final missile stage can incorporate a liquid… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
1 month ago

Speaking of sanctions, the DC tards are preparing to reimpose oil sanctions on Venezuela as an excuse to tap the SPR again:

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/us-prepares-reimpse-venezuela-oil-ban-biden-seeks-scapegoat-resume-draining-spr

Ultimately this will only serve to harm American citizens, which is probably their main goal.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 month ago

I assume Chevron’s sanctions exemption will remain in force

miforest
miforest
1 month ago

The persians won that round by demonstrating that they can deplete israeli , and US air defenses. the cost of a patriot battery is $1.1 Billion. , thats with 4 alunchers and a complement of missles. the missles cost $4Million each. the iranian drones are about $50K each. an 80 to 1 cost advantage for the iranians . https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/05/23/war-in-ukraine-what-is-the-patriot-missile-system_6027705_4.html The othere kicker is even if you print the money to buy more patroit missles , the only plant where they are made can produce max 550 a year . Before drones , the plan was to send the $4 mil… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  miforest
1 month ago

Sort of the big version of stopping $3 .308 rounds with $300 ceramic plates. The plates stop the rounds but the economic equation really sucks for the receiving side

TomA
TomA
1 month ago

How is all of this not predictable? The Clintons elevated DC criminality into a master course. George Bush was as dumb as a box of rocks and everyone knew it. Obama was the biggest fake-out ever to be elected president and Trump-The-Master-Con Man was utterly conned by the Deep State and hired his own executioners. Need I say again that current occupant shits his pants. This tidal wave of leadership disaster has a root cause. Once you combine a truly stupid electorate with rampant vote-buying and institutionalized vote fraud, you automatically get corrupt and deceitful actors posing as politicians and… Read more »

XLOVELI
Reply to  TomA
1 month ago

I agree with most of what you said … Except for calling the majority of citizens stupid. My lifelong experience with people has been that, while no intellectual heavyweights, the majority are *reasonably intelligent*. ∆

BigJimSportCamper
BigJimSportCamper
Reply to  XLOVELI
1 month ago

You mean the majority who took the covid jabs?
Epic fail.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  BigJimSportCamper
1 month ago

Right. COVID is why I doubt I have a solid 10% who support a white ethnostate in my own AO. Tell them get jabbed or get fired, and I highly doubt their resolve. Tell them they need to present a jab ID card to get into the grocery store and almost all will fold. And folding on that is a direct personal risk. Now over some principle that doesn’t?

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  TomA
1 month ago

Bush the Wrinkled beat Slick Willy hands down.
It was his Chief of Staff from his time as VP , Craig Fuller whose company was paid $25m to get the US to start a war on Iraq. It included the suborning of perjury with the daughter of the Kuwaiti Ambassador testifying before Congress that she was a nurse who had seen Iraqi soldiers throwing babies out of incubators to die on the floor because Iraq was so backward it didn’t have any of their own.
Fuller should have been hanged to treason.

Paul Gottfried
Paul Gottfried
1 month ago

“Modern war is fought on the balance sheet and Iran can now fight on that front.”

Balance sheet and scientific/technical skills. Ukrainians lasted this long because of their old Soviet school training. Iranian technical education is top class as well.

West, on the other hand, had been replacing real science with “climate science” and DEI, while importing skilled labor from the eastern block since the walls came down. That well dried out.

Whiskey
Whiskey
1 month ago

I think you are too sanguine Z-Man. Certainly Bibi wants/needs War. Without war and the escalation the Color Revolution the CIA has been waging against him will be successful. Certainly the Iranian Leadership wants/needs War. They have domestic dissent mostly because the path upward in social mobility is closed off to all but the high ranking officers in the IRGC and various regime-aligned Mullah families. Much like here. Certainly the MiC and all those retired generals and admirals who sent an amicus curae to the Supreme Court (basically threatening a coup if Trump is not sent to prison was the… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Whiskey
1 month ago

I’m not sold on Obama the Mastermind. I think he’s somebody’s puppet, not his own power center

Jannie
Jannie
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
1 month ago

Obama wasn’t even in charge during his own presidency. Lazy as f*ck and always delegating to psychos like Hilary, McCain and Petraeus.

Jannie
Jannie
Reply to  Whiskey
1 month ago

Jews on the left (i.e. most US Jews) backed Obama to the hilt with money, media, etc. Rahm Emanuel is a full-on Zionist who volunteered for the IDF. David Axelrod is Jewish. Valeria Jarrett – also Jewish – was the real power behind the throne during the Obama years. Obama owed EVERYTHING to Jews. Even Jeremiah Wright complained “Dem Jews won’t let me see him!”
So during the Obama years we had an essentially hands-off approach to Israel.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Jannie
1 month ago

I get what you are saying, though with all that Jewish influence, why was it just a hands off policy? Wouldn’t that have been the time to be objectively pro-Israel?

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
1 month ago

The obvious stage managing of the Iranian “retaliation” shouldn’t surprise anyone here. One wonders if Civnat G. Normiecon sees through it. Probably not, or he wouldn’t be who he is. But it underscores that any and all of the news from the war theater can be fake. Even the parts that look real. Especially those parts, sometimes. “when will these imbeciles run out of luck”……. I’ve posited before that the BRICS stand to lose as much from a GAE collapse as many others do, and are thus incentivized to prop it up and enable it in some ways. We could… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 month ago

Stage managed does not necessarily mean that the appropriate message wasn’t sent (and hopefully received).

Filthie
Filthie
Member
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 month ago

“I’ve posited before that the BRICS stand to lose as much from a GAE collapse as many others do…” ———————————————————- A spectacular thought and some clear thinking. I wonder though, Jeff – isn’t the idea behind the BRICS to set up an alternative economy that ultimately intends to replace the American hegemony when it fails? Our esteemed blog host said that wars are fought on balance sheets and profit margins as much as in the battle space. I would tend to agree… but even the most rat faced, money-grubbing neocon jew has to see that the numbers aren’t adding up… Read more »

Tars Tarkus
Member
Reply to  Filthie
1 month ago

Brics is at least partially a Chinese psyop. China and India are almost as likely to get into a war as China and the GAE. There is absolutely no love between these two countries. Though they are playing somewhat nice with BRICS for the moment, they know/believe China is a much bigger threat to them than the GAE. Also, Brazil and South Africa are not exactly world powers. China is facing a lot of its own problems as well. We tend to focus on the GAE because we live in the GAE or in allied countries of the GAE. We… Read more »

Tars Tarkus
Member
1 month ago

I saw a bunch of headlines today claiming Israel has made up their minds that they will retaliate. How much of this is theater, I cannot say. But they are certainly at least pretending they are going to retaliate. Supposedly, Iran has threatened an all out attack if Israel does the smallest invasion. I find that wording strange. Russia does stuff like this too. They’ll say something that kind of sounds like a threat, but with giant qualifying loopholes you could fly a 747 through. Let’s just pray that the Russians, Iranians and Chinese are not yet willing to openly… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Tars Tarkus
1 month ago

Retaliation takes many forms, and not a few are too subtle to be reported.

Eloi
Eloi
1 month ago

Z: I hope you see this. I know your feeling about these people, and Hank Johnson feels your pain…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erYSVBfWHRg

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
1 month ago

Foreign policy, like science, progresses one funeral at a time. We’re going to need total generational change here and abroad to break this cycle. There’s nothing amusing about watching Biden (81), Netanyahu (75) and the Ayatollah Khamenei (85) play with our fate.

I know Zman took some heat for the “generational war” essay a while back. And I understand it could get worse. But I’m just sayin’….

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Captain Willard
1 month ago

It’s a foregone conclusion that in 20 or 30 years there will be zero remaining support for Israel in AINO (if AINO still exists). The question is what happens in the meantime.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Captain Willard
1 month ago

Sad thing is who does GenX have waiting in the wings? Nikki Haley? DeSantis? (OK, sort of, but he’s more politician than man of principle, and he’s not our principles anyway.) Noem? (Same.) Newsome? Whitmer? Hunter? KJP? Kari Lake? (Marginally.) Rubio? Cori Bush? Corey Booker? Tlaib? Ayanna? Hakeem? Mike Tyson? Heck, maybe the best thing going is Dana White.

Work with me. Give me a couple possibilities.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Steve
1 month ago

Oh, forgot about Liz Cheney and Adam Kinzinger. There’s also Brett Kavanaugh and Amy Coney Barrett, now that I think about it.

Zulu Juliet
Zulu Juliet
Reply to  Steve
1 month ago

Herbert Mountain Dew Camacho.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Steve
1 month ago

If AINO collapses within the next few decades, as I believe it will, all the current politicians, even the youngest among them, will be irrelevant. We cannot even begin to imagine who may be the leaders of the post-AINO polities.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

Exactly. Was Trump waiting in the wings? If the end comes, those “waiting in the wings” will be washed away. The old saying from the 60’s, “never trust anyone over 30”, will be revamped to “never trust anyone waiting in the wings”.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

Sure, but collapse or not, the current oldsters aren’t going to be around a decade from now anyway. Who is there to fill in those seats? I can make a better list of potential Millenials than X, and that’s kind of sad.

matt
matt
Reply to  Steve
1 month ago

Tulsi Gabbard. But not saying much. Rand Paul maybe (is he Gen X)?

Steve
Steve
Reply to  matt
1 month ago

Pretty sure Tulsi is Millenial and Rand is Boomer, but see what I’m saying?

Vegetius
Vegetius
Reply to  Steve
1 month ago

I can see the bumperstickers:

Z-Hood 2024

Compsci
Compsci
1 month ago

“The question that arises from this is when will these imbeciles run out of luck and do something from which they cannot be saved? ”

I suspect, unfortunately, a massive, visible, direct defeat of the US military. Say the sinking of one of the vaunted carriers in the fleet. The US military is the one “go to” all the Boomers use when touting the USA—this despite the obvious destruction/deterioration of its capability from DIE. We should note, the commentary here in this group is not reflective of general thought wrt US military capability by the man in the street.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  Compsci
1 month ago

Great point. So I’m with the “Purpose of a System is What it Does” people on this one.

Presumably the MIC’s purpose is to spend vast sums losing wars to savages while utilizing the most complex and expensive gear possible, financed by back-breaking debt and brokered by grifter politicians.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Captain Willard
1 month ago

All too true, but there is another aspect to our military spending priorities—to compensated for a deteriorating civilian population pool. A lot of the high tech gizmos researched are to replace poor human capital that we have to field. As readily noted, only 25% of the population of appropriate aged civilians are even able to be accepted for enlistment—and many of those wash out or decline the honor of enlisting. For example, one aspect of R&D has been for years to replace the aging M-16 rifle platform. The replacement desired to be a rifle that can be pointed at the… Read more »

Zaphod
Zaphod
Reply to  Compsci
1 month ago

Lifting heavy boxes is Patriarchy, doncher know!

But imagine a female grunt on the rag inside an exoskeleton which gives her King Kong like strength. All you’d need to do is tell her that that platoon of enemies du jour of ZOG right over there is called Becky and it’d be a massacre.

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  Compsci
1 month ago

I am asking for clarification: Are you saying that a visible defeat will trigger the imbeciles to a direct, disastrous war with a (near) peer?

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Eloi
1 month ago

Perhaps, but rather I hope for a renewed understanding of our limitations and a retreat/return to our hemisphere. In short, a renewal of staying out of other’s affairs rather than world policeman. Trade, fair trade, is fine. Gunboat diplomacy not so much.

Zaphod
Zaphod
Reply to  Compsci
1 month ago

’tis a consummation devoutly to be wished. But, as Damon Runyon said about the race in Ecclesiastes 9:11, that’s not the way to bet.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Compsci
1 month ago

It’s pretty clear from the Houthi fiasco that the GAE Navy can now only threaten nations who don’t/can’t care about being threatened (Haiti, etc). Finding defeat without any sinkings is, in many ways, worse, than finding it after a sinking. A couple hundred thousand in ordinance is now more than enough to keep the USN away from one’s coast.

Popcorn
Popcorn
Reply to  Compsci
1 month ago

The question is that if someones has the balls and the ability to sink a US Carrier will they get glass?

Hokkoda
Member
Reply to  Popcorn
1 month ago

There are certain land, sea, and space-based targets that, if destroyed, would be considered akin to a nuclear strike on US soil. Our adversaries know this, and they operate accordingly.

If anyone goes after a carrier, it’ll be under the guise of some unattributable non-state actor surreptitiously paid for by a major power.

Like a terror attack on a pipeline or a concert hall…

XLOVELI
1 month ago

It is the nature of elites to grow complacent over time. Freed of the need to fend for themselves, they put aside their personal libraries and pick up their game playthings. Like a child who has too much time on his hands, the elite member grows bored, irritable, easily distracted. This general state of ennui continues until the next intra-party turf war — so exciting! Who’s the next person to fall from Grace for violating the orthodoxy? When Tucker Carlson lost his halo at Fox News, it was a sign that no one was immune from management games. Politics has… Read more »

WCiv910.9
WCiv910.9
1 month ago

I was trying to find a segue into this story, but could not find a way to do so smoothly.

So, off topic, but I found this book & interview quite shocking. I missed the opportunity when our host had a piece on our government’s lying.

First the interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uk0ihHyq2U0

Then the book:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CXLN1PX1/ref=ox_sc_act_image_1?smid=ATVPDKIKX0DER&psc=1

I believe that i’m as cynical as anyone here but i was shocked to hear that my government did this.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
1 month ago

OT

On a side note, it appears WRSA has gone offline.

Where will I get my daily dose of memes?

miforest
miforest
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
1 month ago

What a bummer! that site was sure a one of a kind .

george 1
george 1
1 month ago

Some of the more reliable commentators have said a couple of the Iranian missiles had hypersonic glide warheads. The West has no defense against such weapons as the Ukrainians have found out. It was also posited that Iran used about 1/2 of 1% of their available weapons. Imagine the escalation potential. Even the cheap drones must be defended against as they can hurt you as well. In the Red Sea the Houthis, for instance, win every time they fire one of their garage made cheap missiles. The West must launch at least two multi million dollar defense missiles against every… Read more »

JG
JG
Reply to  george 1
1 month ago

Let them hit Dimona. Then what? I’m not a Zionist/Israeli fanboy. Seriously, then what? Israel has nukes.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  JG
1 month ago

The point isn’t that they hit Dimona; it’s that Iran could hit Dimona. Israel always holds its nuclear weapons over everyone’s head in the Middle East. Now, Iran can effectively nuke Israel.

Israel is back in the conventional warfare game, where it’s at a disadvantage. Israel now must deal with its neighbors as equals instead of being a little bully with his big brother.

(((They))) Live
(((They))) Live
Reply to  JG
1 month ago

You miss the point JG, Israel can’t nuke Iran first because Iran could then hit Dimona

Nobody is claiming Iran will strike Dimona first

So from an Iranian POV Israels nukes are no longer a trump card

JG
JG
Reply to  (((They))) Live
1 month ago

So call me naive. Has the discussion changed from Iranians being a bunch of post-apocalyptic hotheads looking for the sixth imam to show up. Or are they some sort of steely eyed real politk operators looking to change the world. I look forward to hearing what folks think. I was always under the impression that religion was the motivator.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  JG
1 month ago

I’d be at least as worried about the religious fanatics in Israel.

miforest
miforest
Reply to  JG
1 month ago

We have become aware that the image that our iseael loving media may have misled us in the past to the natur and capabilities of the iranians .Also, the persians are not the arabs. basicly there was a lot of religous overreach there in the 80’s to cunter what they forsaw as the destructive decadence of the GAE . Time has shown them to be partially justified. Iranian men cnt wear sundresses and chase ther schoolboys arround and they are not lopping the breasts off their tenage girls and chemically sterilizing them . So there’s that.

imnobody00
imnobody00
Reply to  JG
1 month ago

“So call me naive. Has the discussion changed from Iranians being a bunch of post-apocalyptic hotheads looking for the sixth imam to show up. Or are they some sort of steely eyed real politk operators looking to change the world. I look forward to hearing what folks think. I was always under the impression that religion was the motivator.” There is no culture more religious than Western society. Apocalyptic hotheads trying to implement the paradise of the religion of freedom, equality and democracy using bombs. Millions of people have died to honor these goddesses. We kill or mutilate our kids… Read more »

Suburban_elk
Suburban_elk
Reply to  JG
1 month ago

Iranian men cnt wear sundresses and chase ther schoolboys arround and they are not lopping the breasts off their tenage girls and chemically sterilizing them . So there’s that. Iran along with Kazakstan has the highest rate of male genital disfigurement in the world, around 99 percent. Higher than Israel. Going by that, they are fanatics. Good military strategists tho, it seems. Fair play Iran, you rock at geopolitics! IMhO they (Iran) are NOT controlled by a global cabal as posited above, that this whole thing is “reddit war” (colorful phrase). Russia, Iran, China, these are peoples with looooooonnng national… Read more »

miforest
miforest
Reply to  (((They))) Live
1 month ago

sorry spellchecker has the day off.

JG
JG
Reply to  miforest
1 month ago

Okay, so in your opinion, we’d been lied to or understood about the whole “Death to the Great Satan” thing. They are realists who are interested in making Iran a regional power. They do have a conservative outlook WRT gender and familial consent. Where do I sign up? Not trying to be an a-hole, but I still question the motivations. Let’s face it, Israel was founded on religious terms and the whole area is flooded is religious passion.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  JG
1 month ago

I think the real threat is that if all the land gets contaminated, they get asylum here.

george 1
george 1
Reply to  thezman
1 month ago

The articles I read were skeptical as well but somehow from videos they came away with that conclusion, I am no expert. They doubted Iran came up with the hypersonics themselves.

So I guess without saying so they are alleging China or Russia may have provided the tech.

Hokkoda
Member
Reply to  george 1
1 month ago

Bin Laden allegedly did not target US nuclear power sites – they EASILY could have – because it would have spun out of control. A not small number of Americans – myself included – felt the best 9/11 response in Afghanistan was to incinerate Kabul.

But there was no money in that. Better to engage in a losing land war in Asia to replace the Taliban with…the Taliban.

The Israelis would turn Iran to glass and kill every Iranian man, woman, and child in the process.

Nuclear deterrent is nuclear deterrent.

Keva Silversmith
1 month ago

If you are downwind from a nuclear powerplant, you should know that one way to boost your protection against radiation is to eat fermented foods. The Russians discovered after Chernobyl that the people of one village who consumed a lot of probiotics suffered no radiation damage while the inhabitants of neighboring towns who ate unremarkable diets suffered grievously from cancer and the like. Theories for why this works include the increased antioxidant activity in fermented foods which suppress free radical damage and reduce carcinogenesis; the impact of a robust gut microbiome on the immune system; and the ability of probiotics… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Keva Silversmith
1 month ago

I’m buying stock in Bubbies and Ba-tampte straightaway…

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Keva Silversmith
1 month ago

Don’t know about fermented foods, other than that Korean horror, Kimchi. However, is the eating of such after a nuke strike, too little, too late? The village you cite was eating such for a long time before and after radiation exposure.

Keva Silversmith
Reply to  Compsci
1 month ago

I totally agree – if you’re potentially downwind, you should start building up your consumption of fermented foods now, so that you’re in ready condition down the road.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Compsci
1 month ago

Probably wouldn’t hurt, but given the digestive cycle, bacterial growth rate, etc., I would suspect a “loading” phase and then consistent use would require a 2-4 week lead time. Just a guess.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Keva Silversmith
1 month ago

couple swigs of apple cider vinegar daily is an easy way to get this benefit

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 month ago

And a mos’ refreshin’ way to start your morn…

Paul Gottfried
Paul Gottfried
1 month ago

“The question that arises from this is when will these imbeciles run out of luck and do something from which they cannot be saved?”

Given that our “elites” consider themselves financial geniuses, I think the collapse will come from that area. Maybe the Federal Reserves will blow up and “all the kings men and all the kings horses” will not be able to put together the system again without “elites” taking massive haircut.

Also, the system is US appears closer to Paris 1789 than Moscow 1989. That is just my hunch. Don’t buy guillotine stocks based on it.

TWS
TWS
1 month ago

Because America had a longer run than the USSR we’ll need a bigger kick in the pants than the Soviets did. I don’t know what it will be but it’s coming. My guess is it will have something to do with the invasion at the border. That’s not a bold prediction, the border is a mess and has been most of my life.

XLOVELI
Reply to  TWS
1 month ago

If American involvement in Ukraine spirals out of control, it may be the kick in the pants you’re looking for.

Popcorn
Popcorn
Reply to  XLOVELI
1 month ago

No way. The US will just do what always does, declare that they are leaving and leave like it is nothing with them and in this case leave the problems to the europeans to deal with.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  TWS
1 month ago

“ Because America had a longer run than the USSR …”

Has it? Seems to me we went off the deep end post WWII, and particularly after the Civil Rights Act. That really would put us on a similar time line as Russia after their Commie Revolution.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Compsci
1 month ago

Good point. Depends upon how you define “America.” The original 1787 version only lasted 78 years. The Lincoln version only lasted until the New Deal. The post-WWII GAE/”Civil Rights” version is pretty ripe at this point…

Tarl Cabot
Tarl Cabot
Reply to  Xman
1 month ago

I think you could argue that in 2020, with the release of the COVID bioweapon and the stolen election, we have entered into the “fourth republic”, except it’s not a republic.

Hokkoda
Member
Reply to  Tarl Cabot
1 month ago

We have an actual Stasi now.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
1 month ago

It’s not so much cooler heads prevailed as much as there’s really very little we can do. For all out military budget, our capabilities have become shockingly limited. We can do a sustained bombing campaign, but that will have real casualties and repercussions. There’s no way we can muster up an invasion force which leaves us with the two options of nuking the country or color revolution. I’m sure plans for the latter are going on overdrive now.

Jannie
Jannie
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 month ago

I’m thinking Biden nuke on Iranian military facility. Cherry on the top of his wildly successful foreign policy.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 month ago

Our inventories are largely empty.

Our missile production would take years to replenish what was expended to defend against the recent Iranian strike.

The sole plant producing 155mm and other artillery ammunition in Scranton just experienced a significant fire.

Hard to fight a modern war without any munitions.

miforest
miforest
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 month ago

huge rash lately of food plant fires, livestock farm fires, refinery fires, forest fires, and now Munitions plant fires. What a Coincedence! Everting that the WEF hates has a spate of bad luck.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  miforest
1 month ago

Mi-

I think the ammo plant is an accident or attempted sabotage.

I say this because the Davos gang have massive interest in keeping the Ukrainian conflict going.

Dr_Mantis_Toboggan_MD
Member
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 month ago

The reason why our defense budget is so bloated is not only the cost of maintaining a giant, worldwide empire and defending defeated satrapies, but this “good idea fairy” mentality in procurement. The military tends to go for a great technologic leap or tries to cram too many requirements into one “joint” system where you get the old story of a camel, a horse designed by committee. The F-35 program is one example. The whole airplane’s design was due to the requirements for the Marines and the UK to have a V/STOL (vertical/short takeoff and landing) aircraft, which are ruinously… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Dr_Mantis_Toboggan_MD
1 month ago

Yeah, but what new people, from where? I’m afraid the answer is Shaneequa, Jorge, and Patel, at best.

miforest
miforest
Reply to  Dr_Mantis_Toboggan_MD
1 month ago

Those F-35’s are also prone to be flown off the deck aof a carrier right into the ocean by the first carrier based female pilot.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Dr_Mantis_Toboggan_MD
1 month ago

Mantis, What an interesting comment. You say: The requirements change constantly and contractors are forced to adapt as the customer changes its mind seemingly on a whim. And this is no doubt true. In every industry I have worked, this has been the case. There also be a tendency (particularly in software) to over-generalize: your program that was already designed for task X must have support for tasks Y and Z. I see this as being similar to your statements about the ‘modular ship’, the LTC. The issue of modules fit to be swapped out is another thing one sees… Read more »

Hokkoda
Member
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 month ago

The days of giant land armies invading large swaths of territory are gone. The Russian invasion of Ukraine involves armies a tiny fraction of the size of WW2 and a shockingly tiny piece of land. Ukraine is about the size of CO/KS/NE. It’s too easy to strike behind the lines these days. Lack of manpower is a problem. And modern weapons can neutralize manpower. The destructive power of weapons and terrorism make big continental wars increasingly unlikely. Daylight bombing in Germany and two nukes on Japan brought those wars to a swift close. The beauty of the failure of sanctions… Read more »

Templar
Templar
Reply to  Hokkoda
1 month ago

“Taiwan probably has nukes, so there will be a lot of bluster, but they probably wind up coexisting with China – but without the stupidity of US “two China” policy.” Taiwan is at present “coexisting” with China, no? The stated goal of the present Chinese leadership WRT Taiwan, on the other hand, is to subsume the island polity and thus eradicate the last remaining vestiges of their old Kuomintang enemies from more than half a century ago, which speaks to a level of wounded pride bordering on insanity, given that Taiwan poses absolutely no threat to China except perhaps as… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
1 month ago

I’m not sure that the West fully understands what has happened over the past two years. We have moved to a multi-polar world for the first time since before WWII. Sure, the Soviet Union was a peer military adversary but never an economic one. It also stayed in its own world. The US was the hegemon for the non-Soviet world. The US was never competing on its own turf. The failure of the sanctions was the first blow. Now, we see that the US military is unable to push around any decent-sized opponent. The rise of missiles as the alpha… Read more »

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 month ago

How ironic that the Jews were the ones pushing kumbaya. Soros was among the agitators pushing for third world immigration. I think it’s hilarious but whites are abandoning the military. Why shed blood for a country that was taken away from you by bureaucratic diktat.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 month ago

I predict that the border States will be the first to realize that they can’t live with this hostile and incompetent Government, and follow Texas in becoming de facto independent of the clowns in DC…

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  pyrrhus
1 month ago

pyrrhus: Don’t hold your breath. Between the border crossers, the H-1B visas + chain migration, and all the Cali/NY economic refugees, Texas demographics suck. Plus all its old White repukes vote for guys like John Cornyn. Abbott talks a good game but does whatever the Chamber of Commerce wants.

Texas is already deep purple and will be blue by 2030. The Texas of the past . . . and your imagination . . . is as dead and gone as heritage America.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  3g4me
1 month ago

Folks, stop talking about TX futures and start looking at current bad examples…like AZ. We were once like TX. We are now turning solid Blue politically. The result is definitely due to changing demographics. I don’t see where this phenomena plays out different for TX.

Being the “cleanest dirty shirt in the hamper” is no great distinction to be proud of.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Compsci
1 month ago

Yes. For far different reasons, the border state most likely to make a de jure exit is California, the one that got dirty first. The 2020 election likely was stolen due that very real possibility. You also have to note that California for all intents and purposes has a relationship with China separate and distinct from the one Washington has. It very well might not go along with a conflict with that country. As for Texas, in many ways this actually is nothing new. It was in times past quite based on race, but always tended toward more leftist economic… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Compsci
1 month ago

When’s the best time to vacate an area… Is it when the first savage moves in or when you’re the last one left in a sea of brown and they are constantly causing trouble for you whatever that may be…

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  3g4me
1 month ago

Texas has a very strong secessionist tradition and an independent streak that has yet to be eradicated. Most Texans, including a goodly number of Messkins, are more than amenable to ending it with AINO. Demographics are vitally important, but they aren’t everything. As is routinely noted in connexion with Finkels, a powerfully motivated minority is capable of overpowering an apathetic majority. When AINO begins capsizing, Texas, or at least its western reaches will be a part of the calving process. Bank on it.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

Ostei: Maybe the northwest, but that’s about it. El Paso is now officially 11% White. If the “western reaches” of Texas go anywhere, they will rejoin Mexico. And yes, I have known a number of Texas “Messkins.” A small portion have become ‘assimilated’ to AINO – marrying White, having their 1/2 or 1/4 kids/grandkids get expedited college acceptance and financial assistance as ‘minorities,’ and having a sexually degenerate kid or two. Huzzah. The VAST majority are first generation magic dirt. Except the dirt in El Paso is exactly the same as the dirt in Juarez.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

@3g

Again, you’re too locked into demographics. As I explained, there’s far more to Texas dynamics than that.

As for your experience with Texas Messkins, I dare say it’s ideographic. Having lived in West Texas 49 years, I can say without reservation that the large majority of them are not on board with the globohomo degeneracy you describe. Most are not rightwingers per se, but if it’s a choice between the DC freakshow and traditionalist Texas breaking away from AINO, they’ll side with the latter.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

Ostei: While my knowledge of and experience with West Texas is secondhand, my husband regards that as his “home town.” Granted, he left many years ago, but quite a few of his friends stayed there, and he keeps in touch. The racial stratification there has only grown as the Mexicans have swamped the place, whereas there was much more social mixing when they were younger. I will grant you that most of the Mexicans are not on board with the worst of the woke degeneracy . . . but they have their own. Lots of sexual predation of children, lots… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

3g, Nobody, least of all me, is claiming Messkins are white. How could they be? Could you be a Messkin? Of course not. And it’s unrealistic to hold them to the bar of whiteness. What I’m saying is that in the looming struggle between AINO and breakaway territories, Messkins in West Texas, in the main, will side with the latter. White secessionists can and should, therefore, utilize them as allies of convenience. And then, if needs be, we go our separate ways in the creation of new polities. If they really want to rejoin Mexico–and I doubt many of them… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

@Ostei you have a lot more faith and trust in a shitskin than I would if I were you…I’ve never known one to honor his word unless he was forced too by a power greater than what he thinks he could muster against it…I guarantee that if West Texas broke away, gringo wouldn’t get a say in how that place was run and it would turn into one big border town…

Templar
Templar
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

Isn’t Mexico itself ruled by a de facto white elite?

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 month ago

Great comment. I would just add that I think the last two generations of Israelis were ideological about Zionism but pragmatic about problem-solving. I mean, no less a figure than Ariel Sharon kicked Israeli settlers out of Gaza (at great political cost to him) in the first place to set up the last truce. As I’ve said here before, I’ve met through business lots of IDF guys my age or older who fought in Lebanon and were strong “two-state solution” guys – just very practical guys. Bibi is an outlier in the older generation because he really represents ideological groups… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Captain Willard
1 month ago

Given the demographic changes in Israel, that practical generation will give way to a much less practical generation, but that new generation will face neighbors who can punch back.

Zulu Juliet
Zulu Juliet
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 month ago

“In the blink of an eye, GAE lost its dominance.”

But the arrogant asses who run foreign policy and the military [talk about sucking up to the prevailing orthodoxies], don’t realize it and keep treating other nation like they can boss them around and meddle in their affairs as they like.

Couple counterfactual ideas about human nature with arrogance and you get the reckless garbage of our foreign and national affairs.

(((They))) live
(((They))) live
1 month ago

To make matters worse, its not just Iran possibly using the Russian GPS system, North Korea is now playing around with hypersonic glide tech, wonder who might be helping them with that

War in the Ukraine has been a total disaster

Maxda
Maxda
Reply to  (((They))) live
1 month ago

A totally avoidable disaster that our elites caused in their incompetent hubris.

BigJimSportCamper
BigJimSportCamper
Reply to  Maxda
1 month ago

(((our elites)))

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
1 month ago

Covid was America’s Chernobyl. I don’t know if America’s Afghanistan already happened…there…but it cannot be too far off now. Trust has collapsed for the most part already. That out of the way…thank God. If it takes blundering into peace, more blundering, please. I’m not sure yet if the United States will avoid nuclear war with Russia. It has done so thus far only due to Russian restraint, which may have worn thin, and it is debatable Putin would engage in kabuki given the psychopaths here and his political considerations there. The hegemon bully may ramp up its violence in its… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Jack Dodson
1 month ago

I’d say that Covid and BLM gutted trust in the system, but there remained a trust in the military and the belief that we were still the dominant global power. GrillerCons still had something to cheer about. Afghanistan hurt that belief, but Ukraine and the Middle East will end it. The 20th century – the Jewish century – is finally ending. With the decline of the Global American Empire, Jewish political, financial and cultural dominance is also ending. Both the US and the Jewish elite (here and in Israel) will need to learn to work with people as equals. It… Read more »

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 month ago

Great comment. State always has been under the thumb of the Yankee Puritan, Treasury predictably under the thumb of the Jew. The greatly debased Defense has been kept in check by its own incompetence and shortcomings lately. As loathsome as it is, the mostly Yankee-aligned Intelligence Community seems to be independent of these factions and actually in charge at times. I don’t even know that these factions can get on the same page and act rationally and gracefully but the Regime had better hope so.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Jack Dodson
1 month ago

Jack: Sorry, but State hasn’t been run by WASPs or blue-bloods in decades. Tons of Jews, women, and non-Whites. Ambassadors who are political appointees can push pet issues (such as homo/female appointees by dems) but those who are career FSOs are often worse. Full ‘citizens of the world’ and faux-sophisticated mentality. They despise ‘moderate’ White Americans. The intelligence community was more Yankee-inclined in the past – partly because it had lots of Mormons with Yankee genetic roots. But it, too, has gone the heavily diverse, non-White, sexually-degenerate route. No government organization resembles past stereotypes any longer. The big change began… Read more »

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  3g4me
1 month ago

The update is appreciated, and that explains much of the rampant psychosis out of State such as the Ukraine War.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 month ago

Covid, BLM, the stolen election and the J6 persecutions put paid to America and ushered in AINO.

United States of America, 1776-2020

Requiscat in pace.

Mow Knowname
Mow Knowname
Reply to  Jack Dodson
1 month ago

“Covid was America’s Chernobyl.”

I used to love this country. Would have fought and died to defend it.

When my state forced my children’s (private) school to close in 2020, forced my children to wear muzzles when ALLOWED to reopen, forced ME to wear a muzzle in order to buy food/ go to church/ go to work/ get on a plane, and THEN mandated that I accept having needles stuck in my arm?

My rulers hate me. I get it now. The feeling is mutual.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Mow Knowname
1 month ago

Covid had this effect on many people. Most seem to have memoryholed the outrages, but the overwhelming resistance to boosters tells the tale.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Mow Knowname
1 month ago

Might want to pick a better state because it’s coming again in some form…

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  Jack Dodson
1 month ago

There is, of course, the delightful possibility that many US nukes won’t work due to poor maintenance and the general incompetence of the Pentagon…or that missile crews will decide that WW3 has no upside for them, and refuse to fire, which has already happened…,.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  pyrrhus
1 month ago

You gotta figure Aaron Bushnell wasn’t the only one

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  pyrrhus
1 month ago

Not sure about the nuke’s failing. Remember the Obama administration signed into law a $1T funding proposal to upgrade our nuke force. They’ve been working on it now for 10 years or so. That’s no small amount of change.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Compsci
1 month ago

Yeah, color me highly skeptical about the alleged degradation of AINO’s nukes, too. Sufficient remedies and repairs will have been affected.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
1 month ago

Witness what even a smaller nation is capable of when it focuses its energies on other things than woke and DIE.

It’s a reminder of how unnecessary, fake, and gay the situation we’re in is, which is simultaneously frustrating and encouraging.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 month ago

The Persians are the traditional brainiacs of the ME, and have won the Fields medal for math…they have been greatly underestimated by the West…

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  pyrrhus
1 month ago

Well, they’re not AY-rabbs, and that gives ’em a leg up.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 month ago

Uh, Iran’s population is near 90 million and their GDP in terms of purchasing power parity is $1.855 trillion, which is 19th in the world. They are also on good terms with Russia and China.

Who are the GAE’s allies? A bunch of usless European chihuahuas?

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 month ago

For all of that, they aren’t a dominant power in their region. Also, by those metrics, Indonesia should be a global power, and Nigeria should be a rising power.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 month ago

Fair enough.

Who do you consider a dominant power in that region of the world?

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 month ago

Nobody native. As long as the ME keeps pumping oil, the big dogs will keep competing for it.

Maxda
Maxda
1 month ago

The whole episode showed that time is very much on Iran’s and Russia’s side. Their manufacturing and technology advantages over the west are only going to grow for the foreseeable future.

Maybe the Israelis want to pull the U.S. into a regional war right now because they know the American empire is dying and it won’t matter for much longer how many American politicians they buy.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  Maxda
1 month ago

The Israelis almost certainly decided to engage in long-planned ethnic cleansing since it sees the GAE is fading fast, so trying to get one last war out of the enfeebled old guy might make sense.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Maxda
1 month ago

I think (((their))) power peaked with the death of Jeffrey Epstein and imprisonment of Robert Maxwell’s Mossad daughter. As more and more people are waking up to their fückery, people are going to be less and less tolerant.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  TempoNick
1 month ago

Assuming your theory is true, now explain why not one of the clients is behind bars.

The fuckery is hardly limited to Jews. It’s not even limited to the elite. At least 90%, probably over 95% of the white population would rather see us dead than something as trivial as reversing Brown. They are not our tribe. I’d like to think they can be, but at present, they are not.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Steve
1 month ago

You underestimate white resistance to their own replacement and subjugation. I’d like it to be much higher, but it’s certainly well above 5-10 percent. And it’s steadily climbing.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

Agreed. Steve is right that it is nowhere near a majority and likely never will be, but since ten percent probably would support an outright ethnostate, that number is much too low.

Jannie
Jannie
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

Way higher. Scratch the surface and most Whites are resistant. There’s just no outlet – hence Trump, for all his flaws.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

Hope y’all are right. I’m not sure I can count on a solid 10% for an ethnostate in my own community, and I know there sure as heck isn’t when I have to travel to Chicago.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Steve
1 month ago

Not behind bars:

Because the people waking up to the fuckery have no political power. If they will ever get it, who knows. The one power they do have is to withhold their competency from the GAE, but that is easier said than done, and involves personal cost.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Steve
1 month ago

I’ve always thought that the operation had to be “cleaned up” because Maxwell and Epstein were getting arrogant and very sloppy. They were practically doing the “Archer” thing where they’d go into the cocktail parties bragging about being secret agents.

Maxda
Maxda
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
1 month ago

See P Diddy and Hugh Heffner for the Hollywood version of the same operation. That’s why the FBI has to grab Diddy’s blackmail stash.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
1 month ago

Yes, but what they did with that Hugh Hefner and P Diddy material wasn’t nearly as widespread as what the Jeffrey Epstein operation was about. (((They))) Infiltrated practically every corner of government and institutions through blackmail.

NateG
NateG
1 month ago

Not sure if the Iran/Israel thing is over yet. Israel is the biggest spoiled child in human history and they just got their candy taken away. They’re going to throw a tantrum and do something behind their parents (U.S.) backs.

Maxda
Maxda
Reply to  NateG
1 month ago

It seems like their roles have been reversed (or least the perception and narrative).

Israel is now saying crazy stridently radical religious stuff while committing atrocities and breaking international law (bombing and embassy).

Iran has done a very measured response that cost Israel a lot of money but no lives. They are now talking deescalate and peace.

In can remember 1979 so this feels like the world turned upside down.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Maxda
1 month ago

This is a very important point. Americans may rightly harbor enmity toward Iran for the 1979 embassy violation, but then they clap like trained seals when Israel also violates a sovereign embassy. In the 1980s and 1990s I was a pro-Israel neocon. Yasser Arafat was a total nutjob — how could any sane person side with him? Like most Americans I was outraged at what those “fanatical towel-headed Muslim sand n___ers” did to MY country on 9/11. But I knew very little about Islam. When I started reading up on it, I understood that all the “Islam is peace” and… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Xman
1 month ago

And yet there are major differences between Finkels and Muzz. With the possible exception of ancient Judea, the Finkels never created a world-bestriding empire. Nothing close to it. They’ve never even tried. The Muzz, on the other hand, conquered about half of the known world–including much of Europe–in the early Middle Ages, and the Ottomans elaborated that process well into the 17th century. What’s more, in postcolonial times, they’ve been more than willing to visit mass violence upon non-Muzz in their own lands. Now the Finkels, in their own way, are every bit as pernicious as the Muzz and probably… Read more »

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

No, the Jews didn’t need to fly jets into the World Trade Center… because the Jews OWNED the World Trade Center:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Silverstein

You can be that if the WTC had been constructed by the British or the Ottomans in the 1930s in Jerusalem they would have blown it up, though, just like they blew up the King David Hotel.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Xman
1 month ago

“ Americans may rightly harbor enmity toward Iran for the 1979 embassy violation, …” I don’t give a rat’s ass about Iran and their Imam’s, however I must note for the historical narrative, we (the US government) screwed with their country long before they took over our embassy. It is important to know how the CIA over-through a democratically elected Iranian president and brought back the more pliable Shaw of Iran who ruled as a dictator, but friendly to our interests. I still remember historical pictures of a modern Iranian populace where now we see women wearing bags over their… Read more »

Maxda
Maxda
Reply to  Compsci
1 month ago

The list of countries the CIA hasn’t messed with is fairly short.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Xman
1 month ago

I think you can probably make the case that Medina Islam wasn’t as nut-job violent, but that it assumed that character by the return to Mecca. And from their principle that later writings supercede earlier…

(((They)))
(((They)))
Reply to  NateG
1 month ago

Oh its definitely not over, Israel can’t just sit back and ignore Iran. I expect war after the US election, the alternative would be to try to undermine the Iranian regime and cause it to collapse, but that would take years and may not work. War also won’t work One question the Israelis must be pondering, how many drones and missile does Iran have, whats the production rate Israel finds itself in a real pickle, I’d suggest a peace deal, but thats not their style Even with out a serious war, Israel is in trouble, any Israeli with a second… Read more »

Maxda
Maxda
Reply to  (((They)))
1 month ago

Iran reportedly has hyper-sonic missiles they have not used yet. If this escalates, Israel is going to take a beating.

NateG
NateG
Reply to  (((They)))
1 month ago

Pat Buchanan once said that Washington D.C. is Israeli occupied territory so you may be correct about activity starting after the election in November. Israelis were probably told to hold off until then but you cannot ascribe reason to crazy people.

Guest
Guest
1 month ago

The cooler heads that prevailed almost certainly came from the DoD, not the State Department. The State Department has been thoroughly infiltrated and co-opted by neocon fanatics, which is exactly what explains Nuland’s rise in the organization. The cooler heads in the DoD are likely the same group that engineered the buyout of Twitter by Elon Musk to wrestle it away from the State Department fanatics. The cooler heads in the DoD are acutely aware of the limitations of America’s military, which explains the recent de-emphasis of DIE propaganda in recruiting. They do not want those limitations exposed (again) on… Read more »

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Guest
1 month ago

Because of their white hats…

The idea that there’s an individual person, let alone a faction, with any power whatsoever in D.C., who isn’t a full-blown psychotic enemy of humanity and civilization, is the wildest “conspiracy theory” I’ve ever heard.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Guest
1 month ago

Excellent insights (speculations?) Although it’s a frequent theme with our host, let us never forget that the easiest explanations for a faction’s behavior is often the most obvious, or what should be. You could call it “Follow the money (or the power).” Any entity’s primal instincts are to survive, to reproduce, and to expand its power. None of this is rocket science; it’s elementary psychology, biology, what-have-you. Indeed, they apply to nearly all living entities, to you and me. Less obvious is that they (usually) apply to groups and organizations. To use the cited DoD case, their putative reason for… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
1 month ago

The real reason GAE sanctions are completely meaningless is that China is the world’s factory and has a military that is strong enough to stand up to the GAE on a regional basis.

Punk in Drublic
Punk in Drublic
1 month ago

When will they run out of luck? This is the wrong question. Incompetency is a value to the managerial class. It gets them bailed out or bought out. Paydays all around. As an example, this week I was told by a big city executive that he didn’t know how his industry worked. He said this directly and almost with contempt for the dirts. His role, in his view, has not been to know or understand how the nuts go into the bolts. That is below his station in life. I’ll leave it to you to guess what he thought his… Read more »

XLOVELI
1 month ago

The elites that run the Western apparatus, conditioned to think in binary yes/no black/white lines, have apparent difficulty with subtle shades of gray. This has been obvious as far back as World War 2, when American sanctions partly pushed the Japanese toward lashing out against Pearl Harbor. The sense that the U.S. may have had a hand in its own ruin was entirely lacking. In modern times, there’s a similar blindness about Ukraine; the historical ties that bind the Donbass and Ukrainians in general to Russia are entirely glossed over. Zman is absolutely right in pointing out that fidelity to… Read more »

ArthurinCali
1 month ago

It’s quite possible that a few clear-headed individuals within the Pentagon also reminded the administration that we simply do not have the armament stockpiles at this time to sustain a regional Middle Eastern war. Having Americans on almost every fault line in the region doesn’t help either. The defense beast is breaking down like Blaine the Mono. (Dark Tower reference.)

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
1 month ago

Neither the Iranians or the Biden administration want a war right now. The Iranians had to do something to preserve face. But they gave advance warning, And they didn’t aim anything at large Israeli cities. Netanyahu seems to want a war presumably only to save his worthless hide. Even so, the talk of retaliation seems to be coming not from Netanyahu but the Israeli president.

According to Jim Rickards, a little deal was done by the Iranians and the Biden people:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbV2_KIyxUU

Intelligent Dasein
Intelligent Dasein
Member
1 month ago

Iran sent a very powerful message, not just to Israel but also to the United States. If a drone swarm concealing a ballistic missile can penetrate the vaunted Iron Dome, it can also make short work of an aircraft carrier group. This is a complete gamechanger, and it seems like nobody in the media or the establishment is talking about it. The united States does not have a sufficiently organized industrial base to develop an effective countermeasure for these drone swarms, so the loss of relative strength is permanent. The hegemon is finished. Off topic, I was very impressed by… Read more »

mmack
mmack
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
1 month ago

We aims to please.
You aim too, please. 😏

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
1 month ago

I agree it’s nuts to think we’re all 100% biologically determined, but I do think HBD is closer to the mark. One’s inheritance is what it is and can be developed, or not. Sad truth is that development is limited, except in the case of extraordinarily motivated people, which most of us aren’t. Most of us, if anything, play to our obvious strengths.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 month ago

The tranny and homo explosion cannot be explained by genetics, any more than it could be explained by genetics in the Weimar Republic. Physical traits, sure. Mental? Sure. Attitudinal? At the margin, sure, but generally, maybe some. Behavioral? Possibly none. Most of culture is rooted in tradition. Some of it is just superstition, but at least some aspects of culture are solutions to particular problems that society faced. African culture never evolved to solve problems that a civil society might encounter. Not having any experience with being in a civil society, they could at best do cargo cult approximations, but… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Steve
1 month ago

Behavioral? Possibly none.

Well, yes and no. If your genetics make you mentally weaker, then it becomes easier to manipulate your behavior. At least indirectly genetics influence behavior (see time preference).

Steve
Steve
Reply to  c matt
1 month ago

Oh, agreed, but if one can be nudged into a higher time preference, one can also be nudged into a lower time preference with the right conditioning regime.

Oversimplified to the extreme, but recent history demonstrates that people can be conditioned to keep more than a day’s worth of groceries on hand just by interfering with the “supply chain”.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  c matt
1 month ago

Nature is the boundary and Nurture is what happens within that boundary.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Steve
1 month ago

“but often relied on the old standby of African diplomacy — lining up at a distance and shaking their junk at the enemy”

Some customs die powerful hard…

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 month ago

There was a young lady of Exeter,
So pretty that men craned their necks at her.
One was even so brave
As to take out and wave
The distinguishing mark of his sex at her.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
1 month ago

ID, your opinions on this group and commentary were recently made known over on UNZ. That you continue to post here is a tribute to your lack of insight. You burned your bridges a long time ago. No amount of sucking up will repair your lack of credibility.

Filthie
Filthie
Member
1 month ago

Spot on, Z. A small point of order though: the Russians have better rocket engines than we do; they burn at higher temps and pressures than ours do. Before relations soured between America and Russia, NASA was buying Russian engines for awhile. Hell’s bells… the imbeciles cut our throats long ago. It wasn’t a death brought about by one big cut, but a thousand smaller ones. I noticed a year back that the faggotry at Google were trying to impose a moratorium on AI research and development for military applications. In China and Russia, the nation’s best young scientists and… Read more »

Whitney
Member
Reply to  Filthie
1 month ago

It was over when we started celebrating being a service economy with the implicit implications that the rest of the world would service our needs. The vision for all of America to be the trendiest little restaurant, shopping, living corridor in the world was never particularly realistic

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Whitney
1 month ago

There’s an old saying about Vegas, that the city wasn’t built on winners. Same could be said about China. We got rid of the what made us wealthy and made them wealthy in the process.

Of course, we’ve got financial disadvantages, like a financially manipulated dollar that gives us a cost disadvantage. But the geniuses think that you can live on credit without cost.

A bunch of fücking morons run this country.

(((They))) Live
(((They))) Live
Reply to  Filthie
1 month ago

No longer true, the SpaceX Raptor engine beats anything the Russians have in all areas. I could also argue that the Merlin is a great engine too

The new Blue Origin probably beats the Russians too

The reason the US was buying rocket engines from Russia, was to keep Russian engineers inside Russia, the last thing you wanted in the 90s was the best Russian aerospace engineers moving to China or Iran for work. in the end the Iranians figured it out on their own

Filthie
Filthie
Member
Reply to  (((They))) Live
1 month ago

Hmmmmm. Plausible T but I might have reservations. The big bugaboo with the squaddies right now seems to be hypersonics. They’re pushing warheads remarkably fast – so fast that they can blow past conventional anti-aircraft measures and be gone before they even realize the threat. The punditry I listen to say that the Russians have them, the Chinks have them and now it appears the Iranians have them… and American hypersonics are still in the test and development stage and have so far turned in dismal results. Not saying you are wrong …. but I’m not so sure you’re right… Read more »

Zaphod
Zaphod
Reply to  Filthie
1 month ago

The thing is can you imagine the best and brightest in the USA going into materials science or plasma physics or whatever else is relevant to get hypersonics to work properly?

I can’t. But I can imagine that in China and Russia there is a clear vision of a very safe and well-remunerated and *honored* career trajectory for those that have potential in these types of fields.

RealityRules
RealityRules
1 month ago

Even if Washington doesn’t understand the implications of the attack, Tel Aviv does. Surely they have at the very least advised their network of insiders in Washington know. This leads to the real issue. Who runs this country and how? Does anybody here know who runs this country and how? Speaking of which, last night I was watching an interview with Sam Dickson discussing Wilmot Robertson. I went to the US Census Bureau website to check a demographic claim and found nothing but a celebration of white female, black male miscegeny. It is the most organized government web site. It… Read more »

R2RV
R2RV
Reply to  RealityRules
1 month ago

I agree that we should absolutely not, under any circumstances, underestimate our enemy.

But am of two minds about regime efficacy.

There are definitely nodes of extreme aptitude and cohesion, BUT I think that any organization or mission can hit a tipping point of too much ‘yes men’ where the masses of midwit diversity will cause too many problems too quickly for the people at the helm to control.

On the other hand, maybe their power is waning and coming to an end, BUT a dying animal is a dangerous animal.

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  RealityRules
1 month ago

As for who is in charge: no one. I totally agree State is an evil hotbed of anti-whiteness and anti-Western philosophy and plans. Yet does its faction have the upper hand, and even if so, for how long? Healthy empires rely on their foreign services for obvious reasons, but fading empires have other concerns. We detect a lot of incoherence because the various factions are at war with themselves and even the most obtuse elements apprehend things have gone awry.

It is likely everyone here takes this monstrous Regime seriously, but its rapid decline also is undeniable.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  RealityRules
1 month ago

Reality, I think you’re absolutely right. The regime is not efficient or effective at winning wars, fixing the economy, roads, schools or anything else of actual value. Demographic replacement, OTOH, they are the most efficient in history.

If it is just stupidity some of what they do should be useful. Okay, temporarily avoiding a giant war in the ME was useful. What else of value have they done?

Incompetence is an insufficient explanation

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  RealityRules
1 month ago

I don’t think regime incompetence matters much re: predicting their success (or ours). Their aims aren’t complex or nuanced. They’re criminal. The means to achieve them are simple and brutal. Violence is a *specialty* of the stupid. I’m sure there’s a “fallacy” that describes the mistake of thinking that, e.g., a black man can’t shoot anybody because he’s not smart enough to design a gun. Stupid politicians, oligarchs, or demographics can’t build a police state, but they can pick one up and point it at you. Still, we should harp on our betters’ incompetence relentlessly—say it every single time we… Read more »

sentry
sentry
1 month ago

“People might want to look up the nearest nuclear power plant and make sure you are not downwind.”

if dr phil show was correct about chinese buying US land near military bases then:

a)someone inside US government wants country to lose foreign wars
b)US is so incompetent it might nuke itself

Either way, americans should consider getting out of dodge.

Ponsonby
Member
Reply to  sentry
1 month ago

c) we’re in the looting phase of imperial collapse, and everything is for sale, even (or especially) to enemies.

JG
JG
1 month ago

I dunno. Maybe it’s for the best. This speeds things up. Folks say “… now the bad guys (Iran/Russia/China) have the measure of Israeli air defenses and can overwhelm them”. What’s to say the juice does not flip over the apple cart and glass a certain part of the world where this all comes from? Why wait for all the Russia tech to come on line in Iran? They will retaliate.

Clayton Barnett
1 month ago

>People might want to look up the nearest nuclear power plant and make sure you are not downwind.

I’d be more concerned right now about being near a commercial airport, where planes are maintained by Cthuliqus and flown by Shenequa.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Clayton Barnett
1 month ago

An airport near a nuke plant would be double plus ungood, I dare say…