The Great Panic

Ever since the Hamas attacks on October 7th, 2023, the American empire has been convulsed by increasingly deranged tremors. The Israelis adopted a policy that on the surface makes little sense. All it has done is poison relations with the Arabs and much of the world. In America, both political parties have gone nuts in response to the attacks, Israel’s response, and the reaction to that response. Peak madness may be Lindsey Graham suggesting Israel uses nukes on Gaza.

Graham, of course, is trying to show he is the most Zionist of Zionists in a party that makes Likud look dovish. Elected Republicans are obsessed with Israel to the point where even pro-Israel supporters are suffering from severe cringe. Here is Ted Cruz claiming that no one came to the aid of Jews in the Second World War and that Israel has had to go it alone. The logic here is that you are either on the side of unconditional support for Israel or you are Hitler.

One reason for this, of course, is the power of AIPAC. Thomas Massie has opposed the blank check to Israel, so AIPAC has launched both a smear campaign against him, but also a television campaign in his state. AIPAC has been threatening politicians around the country with what could best be described as a “stand with Israel or you get two in the hat” marketing campaign. The only thing missing is a pic of Kennedy slumped over in the car as his wife tries to keep his head together.

The madness is not contained to the street level politics. The normally sober minded David Goldman, the man behind the Spengler column in the Asia Times, posted a crazy rant about Christian Nationalism at the Claremont site, American Mind. In that post he seems to suggest that Christians do not deserve their own nations and must worship Israel if they want to survive. It is a bit of mask dropping that you only ever see from fringe players in the diaspora.

All of this raises the question as to what is happening here? The large and well-funded philosemitic ecosystem seems to be shaking itself to pieces. The trigger for this lurch into madness was the Hamas attack, which the people in this ecosystem demand be treated like a world defining event, when in reality it was just another reprisal in a long running blood feud between the Arabs and Jews. For some reason, it is not seen as such by these people. Instead, it is an inflection point.

One reason for this is the changes inside Israel. The old guard is reaching its demographic end point. Since its founding, Israel has been controlled by Ashkenazi Jews, mostly from the diaspora. The other Jewish tribes, particularly the Mizrahi, have been spectators. The Mizrahi are the Jews who have always been in the Middle East, as opposed to those who migrated with the Roman Legions into Europe. Mizrahi is a modern term that means “eastern.”

The dominance of westernized Ashkenazi Jews has meant that Israeli politics has reflected the politics of the American empire. One side has taken the dovish view of Arab relations, and the other side has taken the hawkish view. Further, Israel diplomacy has followed American diplomacy. This has made it easy for the Israelis to deal with the rest of the world diplomatically and provided some limits on Israel behavior. Now that the Mizrahi are ascendent, this dynamic is changing.

The Mizrahi have now entered government and are taking over what has been the political right in Israel. They have an agenda that starts with the removal of the Arab populations from “Greater Israel” which is why the expression “from the river to the sea” is so controversial. The Mizrahi also demand the return to Talmudic law and the building of the third temple, which means destroying the Al-Aqsa Mosque. The Mizrahi back Netanyahu, who needs them to survive politically.

This changing of the guard inside Israel explains the crazy response from the Israelis, in the teeth of global opposition. It does not explain why the Israelis seem willing to offend their supporters in America. Normally, the protests we see in the West would have led to strong pressure from whoever is occupying the White House to tone down the violence and address the optics. Instead, we have both parties demanding total, unconditional obedience to the Israeli cause.

That gets to a different problem. Project Ukraine has brought to light some hidden truths about the Global American Empire. One is that the vaunted American war machine is a paper tiger. Western wonder weapons were supposed to scare the Russians into submission, but instead they have been a colossal failure. Further, all of the predictions about how the war would unfold and how Russia would respond to Western efforts have turned out to be fantastically wrong.

Project Ukraine is looking like the Varian Disaster for the American empire. This is having a profound impact on the internal politics of the empire. After all, the people responsible for this catastrophe look a lot like the people who are mismanaging the unfolding catastrophe in the Levant. It is not hard for even the most dimwitted to make the connection because the people running foreign policy routinely claim primary allegiance to Israel.

There is also a changing attitude in the general public. Thirty years ago, Washington would not have had to do these marketing stunts to whip up support for Israel, because the public supported Israel. The public has clearly changed. The long allergy to thinking about the role of Jews in these foreign projects is gone and now you see things in the public square with regard to the role of Jews in politics that would not have seen the light of day a few decades ago.

This does not mean Americans are becoming antisemitic. It just means as ethnic and racial awareness break through the forcefield of mass media menticide, awareness of both Israel and Jewish influence in politics is growing. People notice that Ben Shapiro cares more about Israel than America. They are noticing that public officials love Israel more than they think about their alleged constituents. Just compare Nick Fuentes to Kevin MacDonald and you can see the change.

Taken together this explains the panic we are seeing. The erratic behavior and weird mask dropping are the result of the sudden awareness that the old arrangements with regards to Israel and the Jewish people are falling apart. Just as the American empire is reaching its denouement, the Jewish century is also reaching an end. As the world transitions to a multipolar order, the internal politics of the West must change with it in order for the West to survive.

For people whose lives were constructed around the old order being permanent, this emerging new order is causing panic. In fact, much of what makes up elite Jewish identity depends on the old imperial order remaining in place. That means the multipolar world and the new American politics are a mortal threat. The panic we are seeing, whether genuine or purchased as in the case of Republican politicians, is the result of the great change that is about to sweep the American empire.


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Mr. Generic
Mr. Generic
15 days ago

The logic here is that you are either on the side of unconditional support for Israel or you are Hitler.

Making us choose between them or Hitler? Are they *sure* this is really the path they want to take?

Maxda
Maxda
Reply to  Mr. Generic
15 days ago

Thanks to AI, there are now some nice translations of his speeches available.

Hi-ya!
Hi-ya!
Reply to  Maxda
15 days ago

I read my first Hitler speech for a logic class I’m taking. The teacher recommended Lincoln. Hitler was complaining about how oppressive England was to the third world. The most evil man ever to live, and in all my ed I’ve never been assigned on original work of his…strange

Frip
Member
Reply to  Hi-ya!
14 days ago

It’s hilarious that you did that.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  Mr. Generic
15 days ago

Best publicity that Hitler has had in years…

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  pyrrhus
15 days ago

My favorite is the meme that’s out there now (from the left) that if you oppose trannyism then you’re taking Hitler’s side

Popcorn Enjoyer
Popcorn Enjoyer
Reply to  Mr. Generic
15 days ago

Then one day, for no reason at all….

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  Popcorn Enjoyer
15 days ago

This morning, I was glancing at The Gateway Pundit’s coverage of the Ashley Biden controversy:

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2024/05/ashley-biden-officially-confirms-her-diary-where-she/

I scrolled down to the kkk0mments, and, low and behold, I see

Da Lawyerzz who have the JWO Controlling Biden do the wording.

Yup, 51 of them in Genocide Joe’s Cabinet! His Puppetmaster’s!

Presumably the “JWO” would be the “j00ish world order”.

It certainly feels like the dam is about to burst.

MysteriousOrca
MysteriousOrca
Reply to  Mr. Generic
15 days ago

What gets me is people saying, “This is just like Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Dresden, Hamburg, Tokyo, etc.” as a way to justify the indiscriminate mass destruction of Gaza. It’s like they’re saying, “You aerially murdered a million innocent people at our command then, therefore you need to be OK with us aerially murdering hundreds of thousands now.” My reaction to such rhetoric keeps being, I thought we had all done a retrospective and realized how wrong those WW2 bombings were, and how wrong it is now should only further underline how wrong it was then. Also, Palestinian civilians are to Hamas… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  MysteriousOrca
14 days ago

Sadly, there’s no such thing as “civilians” in war, much as we might like to think otherwise. Sure, the winners will prosecute the losing side for “war crimes”, even if both sides did the same thing, but they never have hesitated to punish the civilians with sometimes crippling reparations. Both sides generally make use of conscription, so the civilian distinction is temporal at best.

I used to think as you, but cold hard reality says it’s just a face-saving ruse.

Jack
Jack
Reply to  Mr. Generic
14 days ago

It’s too late for them now. Pandora’s box has had it’s lock well shredded. Hubris has chosen rule by naked power. They really aren’t very smart. Maybe they once were, or maybe we were just incredibly naive, utopian and sheltered. Doesn’t matter. History is moving is moving again, and fast. Jews are not White. Their POC(with jews at the helm) vs. White plan is failing. Their deracination, divide and conquer plan is not going how they wanted it to. One, because if you weaken the west you can no longer use it’s strength (duh, idiots, 2001 was your shot to… Read more »

Mycale
Mycale
15 days ago

Israeli officials, including Netanyahu, have gone on TV and invoked Amalek and referred to Gazans as animals. It’s clear this is a religious war to them, so it needs to be talked about in terms of their religion. They feel that Gazans are beasts and that, as Jews, they have the right and duty to do what they want with them, including total extermination of every man, woman and child, and nobody has any right to say otherwise. That’s it. They can try to hide it, but they’re not trying to hide it. The finance minister said it explicitly a… Read more »

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  Mycale
15 days ago

It’s in the Talmud…the Goyim are literally not human, and can be enslaved, killed, or whatever…

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  pyrrhus
15 days ago

It’s never books. Jews to whom ancient literature has any meaning don’t decide anything. Do Biblical textual scholars put trannies in the Vatican? Are Irish arsons caused by Keith Woods tweets about Hegel? Jews in America hate you because their mother hated you and their friends hate you and everyone who’s richer than them hates you and Harvard hates you and the TV hates you even when Jews aren’t on it. Listening to each other talk about hating you is an important part of their everyday life. The KKK dad in the movies, quizzing the kids about historical Jewish perfidies… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Hemid
15 days ago

Listening to each other talk about hating you is an important part of their everyday life

I learned this one up close and personal, having a seat at some ashkenazi tables as the token goy friend. I think they just kinda forgot I was there, or maybe the habit was too hard to break.

Götterdamn-it-all
Götterdamn-it-all
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
14 days ago

You sat at a table full of Jews and you were the only goy there? Oy vey! You must have nerves of steel.

Left Coast Inmate
Left Coast Inmate
Reply to  Mycale
15 days ago

Most Gazans support Hamas, so they are in fact mostly animals (although not entirely, since there are certainly normal people there). Pretending that, low IQ, third world Islamic creatures are equal to civilized, normal people is nonsense. We are not all equal and you can’t have civilization in proximity to these sorts of people.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Left Coast Inmate
15 days ago

I don’t care if the Palestinians and Jews want to wipe out each other. However, I do care that Jews control Congress and thus force me to support one side.

That said, whites aren’t without agency. We let Jews take control of our country. That’s on us. But it’s long past time that Jews get to pretend otherwise. They run the country, so they have to take responsibility for where it goes.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
15 days ago

That said, whites aren’t without agency. We let Jews take control of our country. That’s on us. But it’s long past time that Jews get to pretend otherwise. They run the country, so they have to take responsibility for where it goes.”

Excellent take. You break it, you buy it.

Gideon
Gideon
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
15 days ago

It’s like you can blame someone for having unsafe sex and contracting AIDS, but you cannot really blame them for the course of the disease. The virus survives even if the host only lives long enough to be transmitted to new victims. Now that the chosen ones have have their very own statelet, they don’t really even need to concern themselves with that.

MysteriousOrca
MysteriousOrca
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
15 days ago

“We let Jews take control of our country. That’s on us.”

Insert a picture of Joe McCarthy, with the caption, “You only had to listen.”

Horace
Horace
Reply to  MysteriousOrca
15 days ago

… or Henry Ford, the great American industrialist who did more than anyone else to lay the foundations for the creation of the middle class. Check out his “The International Jew.” You can find a pdf online. It is AMAZING what our forebears knew. They tried. They tried and failed, because our merchant ruling class is just so damn corrupt and has been since long before any of us were born.

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  Left Coast Inmate
15 days ago

How can you have civilization in proximity to people who believe they are the only ones with human souls and everyone else are just cattle to be used for their benefit?

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Mycale
15 days ago

Same way it’s always been done — local, local, local.

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  Left Coast Inmate
15 days ago

The Jews think everyone who isn’t Jewish is an uncivilized animal to be killed. They massacre the Gazans and send Ukrainian men to die as cannon fodder because they have the means to do so, and they’ll do the same to even the most obsequious pet shabbos goy once they have the numbers and opportunity.

ruralcounsel
ruralcounsel
Reply to  Ploppy
15 days ago

Sounds like what the Muslims believe.

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  ruralcounsel
15 days ago

Not true at all, and we can all see what is going on with our own eyes, the days of projecting this behavior and thinking onto other people is over.

joey jünger
joey jünger
15 days ago

I think, for your average white person (older than your average “American” at this point) this campus conflict is being viewed not through the old Ken Burns-Spielbergian lens. That is to say, it’s not about the plucky kind-of-white Jews versus the swarthy darker barbarians who want to holocaust God’s chosen. The massive influx from South and Central America (and even Asia and Africa now) is making normie more hypersensitive to the alienness of both groups. Why, he seems to be asking himself, am I caring about a battle between hooknoses and unibrows, when I have an aquiline nose (or “alkaline… Read more »

Marko
Marko
Reply to  joey jünger
15 days ago

Duke lefties walked out on Jerry Seinfeld. America’s national treasure! Just because he was Jewish. Once Seinfeld gets toxic, you know we are in for a wild ride.

David Wright
Member
Reply to  Marko
15 days ago

to be fair, just a few people from what I saw.

Fakeemail
Fakeemail
Reply to  Marko
15 days ago

I heard it was lead by Newman.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Marko
15 days ago

The fact that a university as expensive as Duke hired a fucking comedian for their commencement address (and gave him an honorary degree) tells you a lot about the debased condition of the contemporary academy…

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Xman
15 days ago

I suspect one could accurately trace the decline of academia by looking at commencement speakers at elite universities diachronically, beginning, let’s say, in 1966 and continuing to the present. I think in 1966 the speakers will have been statesmen, captains of industry, war heroes and towering intellectuals. Nowadays you’ll see plenty of commedians, actors, rappers and athletes. And needless to say, contemporary speakers will be far more “diverse” than in the far more serious and noble bygone age.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
14 days ago

And how many of the speakers in 1966 filled the graduates heads with empty platitudes like “live your best life” or “follow your dreams”?

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Xman
15 days ago

Sad to say, I’d take Seinfeld over that monster Fauci, who gave a commencement address at my alma mater a few years ago.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
15 days ago

Fauci is AINO’s Mengele.

Frip
Member
Reply to  Marko
14 days ago

Duke lefties walked out on Jerry Seinfeld. America’s national treasure! Just because he was Jewish.”

That doesn’t make sense. They walked out because of his support for what Israel is doing to the Gazans.

Bob Loblaw
Bob Loblaw
15 days ago

I just skimmed the Goldman piece. Gentile this, Gentile that. Damn right the mask has slipped. Skinsuit has been torn off, in fact. I feel like I’m back in 79 A.D. being chased through a side street by a mob of sandy Semites.

What a time it has been since Trump came down that escalator. I’ve been in this game for 30 years. I never expected anything like this. Ever. And I’m prone to real flights of fancy.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Bob Loblaw
15 days ago

The dam has absolutely broken. I love it. But Trump couldn’t have done this without the internet.

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Vizzini
Member
15 days ago

From the Goldman column: a member of a universal Church that knew neither Greek nor Jew

That line “neither Greek nor Jew” is a reference to a verse from Paul in Galatians 3:28:

“There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.”

That “in Christ Jesus” is pretty important there. He’s speaking to Christians, some of them ethnic Jews, like Paul himself. It doesn’t apply to Jews who reject Christ.

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Steve
Steve
Reply to  Vizzini
15 days ago

For eternal amusement, consider that not only the anti-Solae Scriptura etc. crowd, but also mainstream Protestants fail to understand the degree to which they are Paulians, not Christians.

He warned us about false prophets…

Robbo
Robbo
Reply to  Steve
15 days ago

Yep. Never confuse Paul and Jesus. Two different religions.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Robbo
15 days ago

Two thousand years worth of Catholic, Orthodox and Protestant scholars disagree with you.

On your side, the club of Very Clever Boys on the internet.

Last edited 15 days ago by Vizzini
Steve
Steve
Reply to  Vizzini
14 days ago

Fair. And on yours, people whose paycheck depended on you not noticing the differences.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Steve
14 days ago

Have read Paul, and it does not seem to be two different religions. My only criticism of Paul is his ridiculously long run on sentences, but that might be a translation/different punctuation convention issue.

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  Vizzini
15 days ago

First lines of that ridiculous article: “Nations have historically looked to usurp Israel’s place in the Divine Plan.” Israel’s place in the Divine Plan was concluded when Jesus Christ was born. They were chosen to deliver the Messiah, and they did. So at that point, as Jesus said, it was time for them to join with all the nations and spread the good word – that’s the Divine Plan now. And yes, as you point out, many Jews joined with it. Not all, though. The ones who didn’t believe Jesus was an evil sorcerer who is boiling in excrement in… Read more »

Ponsonby
Member
Reply to  Mycale
15 days ago

This is actually fairly standard orthodox Lutheran theology. (Others might be the similar but this is the one I know). In general outline it comes from the nature of the Trinity, sola scriptura and By Grace Alone. Adam and Eve and the pre-Abrahamic peoples of the Bible were Christians. The People of Israel of the First Covenant with Abraham were also Christians. The First Covenant was absorbed into the Second Covenant, the saving grace of Christ Crucified, Resurrected, Ascended, and To Return.

What we now call Judaism is just a Christian heresy, like Gnosticism but much more Satanic.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Ponsonby
14 days ago

Right. Since 325 AD, the official line is that Jesus = God, so anyone who worshipped God was also worshipping Jesus. Until Darby (I think) there was no notion of “dispensations” in the main theology, so modern Jews reject at least 1/3 of the divine, i.e., are heretics.

The upshot is that it’s not so much a matter of worship, but rather of choosing to live in accordance with the teachings, to the best of your ability, and to seek forgiveness when you fail.

Maxda
Maxda
15 days ago

30 years ago the IDF was viewed (rightly or wrongly) as tough, disciplined, and honorable. Recent events and the internet have dispelled those myths just like the mythical western wonder weapons have failed to live up to the hype in the Ukraine.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Maxda
15 days ago

The Lebanon invasion happened long ago and dispelled much of that mythology then.

Paul Gottfried
Paul Gottfried
Reply to  Jack Dobson
15 days ago

…not for uninformed masses. MSM sold all those invasions as “Israeli success” in the past.

With smartphones everywhere, MSM lost its dominance.

BigJimSportCamper
BigJimSportCamper
Reply to  Paul Gottfried
15 days ago

Hence, the push to ban TicTok

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Paul Gottfried
15 days ago

Fair. If X had existed back then, they would have known. Policymakers who weren’t spoon-fed propaganda were aware, though.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  Maxda
15 days ago

The Israeli army has never been able to deal even with teenage irregulars, let alone disciplined troops…And in the 1973 war, Egypt would have won if Nixon hadn’t literally stripped the US military of weapons. for Israel, shipping them day and night..

Mike
Mike
Reply to  pyrrhus
15 days ago

Upvoted you but that’s only partially right, the Egyptian general staff had an excellent plan but were caught by surprise when things went so well initially. They had the plan for the attack but didn’t know what to do with the follow through. Israel recovered quickly and turned the tables in the confusion.

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  Maxda
15 days ago

Maxda: “Recent events and the internet have dispelled those myths just like the mythical western wonder weapons have failed to live up to the hype in the Ukraine.” The F-16 dates to 1974. The M-1 (((Abrams))) tanks date to 1980. The Patriot Missile dates to 1984. We’re sending ANCIENT TECHNOLOGY to the Khazarians. Obviously the last three & a half years of Obama-Biden DIE Cisgender Whitey DIE have severely weakened the morale & the quality of our men in uniform. But I wouldn’t wanna be the nation which attempted to phornicate with us when we took off the gloves and… Read more »

I. M. Brute
I. M. Brute
15 days ago

Seems to me that no matter whether it’s the Jews or the new “Multipolars” running the world, the white working classes of America and Europe will keep on getting the shitty end of the stick!

Hun
Hun
Reply to  I. M. Brute
15 days ago

“Multipolar” world is preferable to GAE. Europe is mostly suffering from being a vassal to the US and the US is suffering from being a strong host and golem for Satan’s chosen people.

btp
Member
Reply to  I. M. Brute
15 days ago

I think the better model is Team A / Team B. Both hate us and want us dead, but Team A is filled with genuine lunatics who want us dead this afternoon. Team A is doing infinity immigrants because they think it’s funny how many dead Whites will come from it.

Team B feels that the current political goals of the Zionists are more urgent than genocide. They are the ones who sold American industry and offered service in our stupid wars as an alternative to the displaced Whites.

Sgt Pedantry
Sgt Pedantry
15 days ago

The reason this tribe of parasites is freaking out is because their Rube Goldberg machine of dirty money, blood libel, blackmail and bullshit is coming apart on a global scale, and the whole world can see it.

btp
Member
15 days ago

Only Team B ever had masks to drop. The Spengler piece is the latest in a series showing that it really is true Team B also wants us dead

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  btp
15 days ago

Like I say, Israel is more important to Team B than Genocide, but only barely.

Gespenst
Gespenst
Reply to  btp
15 days ago

btp, I hadn’t intended to bother reading the Spengler article until you comment prompted me to do so.

Amazingly vile.

Mike
Mike
Reply to  Gespenst
15 days ago

It’s a shame too, Goldman used to be a good read.

Gespenst
Gespenst
Reply to  Mike
15 days ago

I had gotten pretty tired the phrase “Judeo-Christian”. Then I read the Spengler article which shows what it’s supposed to mean and now I despise it.

Vizzini
Member
15 days ago

From the Lindsay Graham link: “When we were faced with destruction as a nation after Pearl Harbor, fighting the Germans and the Japanese, we decided to end the war by the bombing [of] Hiroshima [and] Nagasaki with nuclear weapons,” Graham said. “That was the right decision.” That’s actually a very apropos quote, because little Japan never represented an existential threat to the US. At all. And Gaza represents zero existential threat to Israel. Exactly the same. Obligatory: This is not a statement on the rightness of dropping the bombs on Japan, just an acknowledgment that neither nation is in a… Read more »

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  Vizzini
15 days ago

And as the movie Oppenheimer brought out, Japan had been trying to surrender for 9 months, which Truman knew….

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  pyrrhus
15 days ago

Learning history from Hollywood is rarely wise.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
15 days ago

Also not quite correct. Japan would surrender only with the Emperor being held harmless and retaining position/status. We did not accept this as the Emperor was the very head of State and were concerned how such would appear—both to the Japanese and the allies. in any event, the Japanese did surrender unconditionally. McArthur decided the Emperor would/could be useful in changing the culture of the Japanese at that time. The Emperor played along and McArthur basically ran the country with the Emperor as figurehead. Had the Emperor been uncooperative, McArthur would have put him on the list of war criminals… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Compsci
15 days ago

Depends on how credible you believe Soviet records of the time to be, but the Yalta agreement of unconditional surrender definitely hamstrung US diplomatic efforts, while furthering Soviet interests. It also appears that Harriman’s efforts at Tehran were instrumental in giving Stalin all he needed at Yalta to force the US play.

I suspect that the real story is with Communist sympathizers and probable agents in the White House, a pro-Soviet postwar was all but baked in. Truman probably did the best he could with the hand he had.

roo_ster
Member
Reply to  Compsci
15 days ago

So what if the Nip head of state stayed on? _Reasonable terms to include heads of state keeping thier heads has been common in peace treaties for centuries._ Did we demand George III’s head after we won our independence? Did the Japs insist the Russian Czar abdicate after the Russian defeat in the Russo-Jap war?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  roo_ster
15 days ago

The US was in no position to conquer the British Empire in 1776. Japan was likewise in no position to conquer Russia in 1905. The US DID conquer Japan in 1945. You don’t demand the impossible, but you do demand the probable.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  roo_ster
14 days ago

That would have been reasonable, , but the US gave its word at Yalta. FDR was too big a fan of Stalin to have backed out, and much as I dislike Truman, he was an honorable man who would keep the promise.

Yeah, I know, government officials keeping their word. Quaint.

Gideon
Gideon
Reply to  Compsci
15 days ago

“Japan would surrender only with the Emperor being held harmless and retaining position/status.”

But we did accept this. And after nuking them twice no less. So why did the U.S. rebuff all prior Japanese peace efforts?

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Gideon
14 days ago

Because the Emperor’s cooperation was an unknown variable. McArthur sized up the Emperor’s usefulness upon taking control of Japan after surrender. Prior to this, the Emperor’s cooperation was in doubt. If the Emperor was not on board with capitulation, he could have been troublesome to the occupation—indeed he could have been the figurehead of guerrilla activity in post war Japan.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Gideon
14 days ago

Because the peace efforts were made through the Soviets, who kept it to themselves. The only way the US could know of this was to reveal the extent to which military intelligence had infiltrated both the Soviets and the Japanese.

Had Japan sought out someone else to broker the deal, maybe. But they did not. The rest is history.

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Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
Reply to  Vizzini
15 days ago

“we decided to end the war by the bombing [of] Hiroshima [and] Nagasaki with nuclear weapons,”

At that time Japan had already been suing for peace for months. And most of the sernior US generals and admirals were against the use of nuclear weapons. This moron Graham doesn’t know any history.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Arshad Ali
15 days ago

And yet they refused to surrender after the destruction of Hiroshima. I suspect the type of peace the Japs were suing for wasn’t much of a peace at all but rather a mere cessation of hostilities, a breathing space.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
15 days ago

What I had heard was that Japanese were concerned with the fate of the emperor and they wanted assurances from U.S. that nothing would be done to him and that he’d maintain his position, etc. and that was their “one condition” that had them balking at “unconditional surrender” as they didn’t want their millennia long sovereign frog-marched out to the gallows.
“But”, you might say “the U.S. did do the things they asked”
To which all I can say is “I don’t know”.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
15 days ago

Truman and the high command still did not want Japan to understand the depth to which US spy networks operated in Japan.

What usually falls by the wayside in these discussions is that they were trying to get Stalin to broker a deal, when Stalin preferred no deal, to keep US out of Asia, so was running tanks to Manchuria as fast as they would go.

1660please
1660please
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
15 days ago

Yes, and Okinawa had shown that the Japs probably weren’t really on the verge of surrendering. Plus Jap civilians were being trained to repel invasion. And I believe there were die-hard high-level Jap generals who wanted to go down fighting.

It wasn’t a simple decision to drop the a-bombs. And lots of American servicemen being readied for an invasion were grateful for what happened. It’s too easy for us in hindsight to condemn Truman for his decision.

And thanks for your comment about using Hollywood for history.

Member
Reply to  Arshad Ali
15 days ago

Short answer. No. Go and look up Ketsu Go. The Japanese were not suing for peace. Richard Franks wrote an entire book, Downfall, laying out a refutation of that myth.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Arshad Ali
15 days ago

This is one thing the dissidents have never convinced me on. There were factions within the Japanese regime that wanted “peace,” but they didn’t have enough pull to make it happen. This is often misrepresented as the Japanese regime wanting peace. That’s my read on it anyway. Whether or not that makes the nukes the right call, I don’t know. But nuking Hiroshima or fire bombing Tokyo and Yokohoma, what’s the difference?

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
15 days ago

“But nuking Hiroshima or fire bombing Tokyo and Yokohoma, what’s the difference?”

Good point. The fire bombing of Japanese cities was causing as much damage as the atomic bombs.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
15 days ago

The Japs, for, as I understand it, “cultural reasons” could not be seen to be dealing directly with the US, so their whole push was to get Stalin to broker the deal. Truman was hoping to starve them out, like how the English brought Germany to the table after WWI. But Stalin was rolling his mechanized troops from West to East as fast as they could go. Truman was left with the choice of a massive landing, let Stalin have everything, or drop nukes.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Arshad Ali
15 days ago

“…most of the sernior US generals and admirals were against the use of nuclear weapons. “

Really, how do you/we know this? One bomb had been tested in the middle of the desert a few weeks or so before. The test witnessed by a handful of people—certainly not the big brass in the Pentagon—and with no mock structures as in follow-up tests. Big flash, lots of heat, etc. but nothing to compare/measure/understand such destruction.

Sounds to me like a convenient “reinterpretation” of the history of the event in light of our pathetic and continuing angst over the “bomb”. I call BS.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Compsci
15 days ago

One problem with the DR is the tendency to retroject the awfulness of AINO all the way back to 1776, or at bare minimum, 1861. When this is done, the USA, and everything it did, is subject to a condemnation which inevitably comes.

roo_ster
Member
Reply to  Arshad Ali
15 days ago

There was no need to drop nukes on Japan. Japan was not self-suffient in any number of resources, to include food. Blockade their ports and let them starve was the best approach. If they did not surrender and let their population starve, it would be on the Japs. Instead, we murdered yet more civvies in terror bombings, this time with atomic hellfire.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  roo_ster
15 days ago

Nonsense. Japan had been autarkical throughout its history. Attempting to starve it would have been a fool’s errand.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
15 days ago

Yep, nonsense. So we blockade and cruelly starve millions of civilians in order to not use an atomic bomb—of unknown effect at the time and which even if one-hundred percent effective would have killed a few hundred thousand “civilians”? Clue: There are no “civilians” in total war. That included Japan, where much of the war supplies were produced in smallish workshops among the civilian population centers. The “bomb” was the most appropriate weapon for the time and the Bushido mindset of the Japanese leadership. As I’ve stated before, the Japanese could not know how many nuke weapons we possessed, but… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
14 days ago

What? The whole reason for them expanding into Indonesia was for oil, after FDR mandated no oil sales to Japan.

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MysteriousOrca
MysteriousOrca
Reply to  Arshad Ali
15 days ago

That reminds me of a joke.
Q. “What’s the worst thing about breaking up with a Japanese girl?”
A. “You have to drop the bomb on her twice before she gets the fucking message.”

Gideon
Gideon
Reply to  Arshad Ali
15 days ago

The Japanese had been trying to surrender. Their government hoped to preserve the emperor, but was prepared to accept almost any terms. Diplomats in countries with whom Japan had relations (which at the time included the Soviet Union) were instructed by the American government to ignore these efforts to surrender. The Americans had just two atomic bombs prepared and available in theater. They had already leveled every Japanese city of any size except two: Hiroshima and Nagasaki. So, if the Japanese were trying to surrender, why was the U.S. so determined to nuke them? To end the war with minimal… Read more »

Member
Reply to  Vizzini
15 days ago

With respect to Oppy’s devices and dropping them on the Anime Club, that’s a Nerd Fight there we need to have.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
15 days ago

Oh, God, I triggered the WW 2 Pacific Theater autists.

WOPR
WOPR
Reply to  Vizzini
15 days ago

They refuse to learn because they are stuck in “America always bad” mode.

Member
Reply to  Vizzini
14 days ago

You knew, yet you went there anyway. Why you gotta do me dirty like that?

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Vizzini
15 days ago

Axiom: In an intergovernmental dispute, the citizen’s desert is to die.

The Japanese government refused some American demand, so cities full of Japanese families deserved to die. Hamas decided to do a paramilitary stunt, so every non-Jewish baby within weapon range is subject to a just slaughter.

It’s a universal principle. Every “warrior,” from the resolute desk to the stickiest war-nerd keyboard, accepts it.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Hemid
15 days ago

And, yet, it seems that most people’s answer to any problem, no matter how slight, involves the government. Even when they know damn well their government will do anything it wants to them, for their own benefit.

I blame it on Westphalia. And centuries of hammering down any nails sticking up.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Hemid
15 days ago

Remember this when they nuke Topeka.

MysteriousOrca
MysteriousOrca
Reply to  Vizzini
15 days ago

“When we were faced with destruction as a nation after Pearl Harbor,” From all that I have read, I feel certain that FDR knew that the Pearl Harbor attack would happen, down to the exact date, and that he not only intentionally provoked it and but did all he could to make sure if was as gory as possible. And there is evidence that FDR was part Jewish, and that he and his close Jewish advisors set the attack up because they were itching to get isolationist America to be enthusiastic for war with Germany. When people on MSNBC and… Read more »

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Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
Reply to  MysteriousOrca
15 days ago

“I feel certain that FDR knew that the Pearl Harbor attack would happen”

‘Course he knew it — he provoked it. That’s what the oil and steel embargo was designed to do and why he cold-shouldered Japanese diplomatic efforts leading up to Pearl Harbor. WW2 was a tussle between empires and would-be-empires. The Japanese lost, as did the Germans, the Brits, and possibly the French. The USA was the big winner and a bloodied and traumatised USSR was also not a loser.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Vizzini
14 days ago

So an attack on a tiny island base thousands of miles away from our mainland is “faced with destruction as a nation?” I find transgenderism to be a mental disease, but in Ms. Graham’s case there may actually be a woman trapped in a man’s body.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
15 days ago

“The death of 1000 Israelis would be like 150,000 Americans dying!!”

No. It’s 1000. Stop it.

If any group should be sensitive to number inflation, you’d think this group would be extremely careful about hyperbole.

MysteriousOrca
MysteriousOrca
Reply to  ProZNoV
15 days ago

It’s like that pie chart of deaths from WW2, where most of the pie is “6,000,000 Jews” and the smaller size is “100,000,000 Other People”.

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Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  ProZNoV
15 days ago

Why? Hyperbole has gotten them where they are.

Vizzini
Member
15 days ago

Here is Ted Cruz claiming that no one came to the aid of Jews in the Second World War and that Israel has had to go it alone.

Menachem Begin used that same line on Biden, of all people, way back in the ’80s. It was as ludicrous then as it is today. It was one of the two or three times I’ve agreed with Biden, but he didn’t have the courage to stick to his position (of course, he’s run screaming from all those positions). And pretty illuminating that they are still using the very same talking points.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  Vizzini
15 days ago

Begin also replied negatively to a question about how great the Israeli military was, by saying remember we were fighting Arabs….

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  pyrrhus
15 days ago

I can’t recall an effective arab army since Saladin. But maybe the Houthis are the renaissance.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
15 days ago

The long allergy to thinking about the role of Jews in these foreign projects is gone and now you see things in the public square with regard to the role of Jews in politics that would not have seen the light of day a few decades ago. The next lost allergy will be the thinking about the role of Jews in finance. De-Judaizing American financial institutions may not be even possible but that’s where this is leading. People have noticed things. More and more of those people, as you point out, do not share the moral consensus about Israel. Many… Read more »

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Jack Dobson
15 days ago

“De-Judaizing American financial institutions may not be even possible but that’s where this is leading.”

Like I said, at the same time oligarchs were hoovering up all of the Soviet Union’s best asset, we also had an avalanche of newly minted Jewish billionaires. We need our own Putin to set them straight.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Jack Dobson
15 days ago

Why not just de-financialize society? Is there anything CDSs have done to improve society? HFT? Any instrument at all beyond a first-order derivative?

In what way would we be better off if it were whites were pulling those scams on us?

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Steve
15 days ago

The bottom line is it is not whites, mostly, doing it.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Jack Dobson
15 days ago

Would it be better if it were? Why not just throw out the non-existent baby with the bathwater?

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Jack Dobson
15 days ago
Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Vizzini
15 days ago

What I skimmed is good stuff, will go back to it, thanks.

Guest
Guest
15 days ago

The Sumerians and the Babylonians might have a nit to pick with David Goldman.

I have been reading Goldman for over 20 years, dating back to when he was writing as Spengler. He didn’t just drop the mask in this column, he flung it into the abyss.

Popcorn Enjoyer
Popcorn Enjoyer
15 days ago

The Israelis aren’t stupid. They’ve seen the demographic changes that the diaspora here have helped create and know that their once reliable American golem is on the outs. The Ukrainian debacle proves that. This is one last hurrah before it collapses, infested and drained of blood.

Related pearls from the naughty web:
‘The most common cause of antisemitism is semitism.’
‘Any organization that isn’t explicitly semitic will become anti-semitic over time’

Filthie
Filthie
Member
15 days ago

I could be full a beans… but I don’t think the jews just ‘went nuts’ after the Hamas attack. You may need a tin foil hat to follow my train of thought, but: The Israelis did not go bonkers after the Hamas attack. Elements of their Clown network certainly did as we see in the media pundits that you point out. It is obvious to even the mildest Dissident that it was designed to make YOU crazy too. Unfortunately they went off the deep end and had the opposite effect – The wanks on Blab had a field day with… Read more »

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  Filthie
15 days ago

The attack was a “green flag” which the Israelis knew was coming and they facilitated with a stand down order…

Horace
Horace
Reply to  pyrrhus
14 days ago

It boggles the mind how many people have a problem with this notion. They project their values onto the Jews, who do not share them. Remember 911? I was in the DoD at the time, and I can tell you that it was crystal clear 3 weeks after the attack that either one of two things was true: the Israelis knew and didn’t tell us or that the Israelis knew and told us and ‘our’ own people stood down and let it happen. I’m not 100% certain, but am inclined to the former simply because I don’t think ‘our’ side… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Horace
14 days ago

Dunno. Our side did an own goal WRT to Atta and the Gang wanting to learn to fly planes, but not land them. The FBI did an own goal with the Boston Marathon Bombers, after being told by Russia to watch those boys. Most school shooters were on FBI watch lists.

I just think we have an “it can’t happen here” bias.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Filthie
15 days ago

I think the suspicion always was that this was “queued” up and that they were looking for any excuse to implement it. Thus the weird, outsized response as they only had the one response in the can and they didn’t care if it didn’t “fit”. The other thought too is that they know the GAE bar is about to close so this is their “last call” order (“bring me one of everything!!“)

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
15 days ago

“It does not explain why the Israelis seem willing to offend their supporters in America.” The Mizrahi (a tiger that Netanyahu has by the tail) don’t know or understand much about the white West, and they probably don’t have that many links with diaspora Ashkenazi Jews in Europe and North America. The Holocaust doesn’t mean much to them as they weren’t the ones affected and so they’re not bothered about resurgent anti-semitism in the West. As for Lindsey Graham, this sodomite of South Carolina is a disgrace to the human species. But he’s only slightly more hysterical and vocal than… Read more »

willms
willms
Reply to  Arshad Ali
15 days ago

Arshad,

what does Lisan al Gaib mean? Thanks in advance for the clarification.

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
Reply to  willms
15 days ago

The “Dune 2” film might be still be playing in some theatres. Hasten to watch it and all will become clear.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
15 days ago

I have traditionally been reluctant to call out Jewish control of the GAE, wanting to have my ducks in a row with specific examples to point to, which I usually lacked, other than pointing out the high number of them in powerful positions, which doesn’t exactly convince normie. But now…… it’s like they’re doing all the work for me. Even for normie who doesn’t want to see it, the evidence is undeniable, if you merely point it out. When I saw that letter from the 12 R senators to the ICC, my first thought was, “what if they made threats… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
15 days ago

I didn’t think that Trump had a chance, but, now, I’m thinking he might. The GOP is 100% on Team Jew and so is Trump. Biden is 100% on Team Jew, but the Dems have a lot of dissenters.

Trump wins in 2024.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
15 days ago

But can the Finkels control their diverse golems on election night? Can they prevent the fix? I have my doubts.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
15 days ago

Even if they can’t, one thing they can do is make election denial great again. Prosecute it and make the courts hear it. Garfinkel’s DOJ leading the charge. Make the media portray that effort in a favorable light. It would be quite the irony, but I can picture it.

This would have the added effect of restoring normie’s faith in the electoral process.

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Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
15 days ago

Doubtful. There is a very strong possibility the election will be blatantly, even-more-undeniably stolen and anyone who complains is arrested or otherwise silenced. Based on Covid compliance, don’t expect too many to complain. The complacency changes the nanosecond people are plunged into poverty. AINO will collapse suddenly at that point. The only scenario where Trump is allowed to claim a victory (and it be honored) is if there is a plan to have him holding the bag in the midst of the aforementioned economic collapse or if he is pegged to act as a Judas goat to get young white… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Jack Dobson
15 days ago

The Finkels don’t need Trump to win. After the election it will be back to politics as Normalstein. As has been shown, dissent on MIGA won’t be tolerated by either wing of the uniparty.

WillS
WillS
Reply to  Jack Dobson
15 days ago

The direction seems clear. The timing impossible to guess but closing.

People are questioning what the emperor is wearing.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
15 days ago

“I have traditionally been reluctant to call out Jewish control of the GAE”

-Blinken
-Mayorkas
-Schumer
-Yellen
-Garland
-Chertoff
-Rubin
-Cohen
-Albright
-Kushner
-Greenspan
-Kagan
-Ginsburg
-Breyer
-Kissinger

…I could keep going but you get the idea

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Xman
15 days ago

Of course, but I mean with my friend Civnat G. Normiecon. That doesn’t convince him

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
15 days ago

Well, then, he’s willfully blind.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Xman
15 days ago

The phrase you’re looking for is “dangerously stupid “.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Xman
14 days ago

And how many of those people voted for, say, the Patriot Act? Chertoff was at least involved tangentially, but the rest?

I agree there is vastly disproportionate Jewish influence. But self-evidently, “we” are more than capable of doing it to “ourselves”.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
15 days ago

Said another, speaking of the authoritarian reaction to the pro-palestinian university protesters: “But once again, ya gotta hand it to Slappy [the least self-aware people in history] — way to lean into every single one of those stereotypes, boychiks.”

usNthem
usNthem
15 days ago

The problem with jews in America these days and especially the jews with the power, money and control, is they see themselves as jews first and Americans (or anything else), 2nd, 3rd, 4th or 5th… This is what White Americans need to recognize and understand – and soon.

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  usNthem
15 days ago

No. It is every last one of them. I, like J. Zoar or some other poster have a lot of contact, and every last one calls Gazans all animals and they will tell you to your face that America is a stepping stone to an ever stronger and greater Israel – without even knowing that is what they are saying. They will tell you to your face that America is no longer a white Christian country and then ramble on about how they are unabashed Zionists ready to join up with the JDL – of course without joining up the… Read more »

TempoNick
TempoNick
15 days ago

This realignment is long overdue. They don’t vote for our candidates, they fortify our elections, they go all-oligarch on steroids on the US economy, they were instrumental in dumping the third world into this country. They’re not doing me any favors so I don’t see why I should do them any.

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Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
15 days ago

“Here is Ted Cruz claiming that no one came to the aid of Jews in the Second World War” This narrative is maddening. Despite the fact that Germans were one of the largest ethnic groups in America at the time, we spent enormous blood and treasure fighting Germany and then spent another over 1/2 a century holding them down and occupying them. The demographic replacement of White people and social media both play a role in the anti-Israel sentiment. All these imported brown people who see Jews as just another group of Whites, ethnic hatred for Jews by Arabs and… Read more »

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
15 days ago

“The demographic replacement of White people and social media both play a role in the anti-Israel sentiment.”

Their pivotal role in doing this to our country and lying to us about it at the same time, is is also a very large source of our hostility, or at least mine. So it’s not only the brown people hostile to them, it’s people like me hostile to them for dumping all these brown people into this country.

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RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  TempoNick
15 days ago

Yes. Per a previous post, they are all a curfuffle over the Leftist campus protestors. They have no idea the anger levels and the fury You know, when Stephen Steinleighter wrote his 2001 paper discussing the problem with too much immigration upsetting Jewish power he proposed allying with Asians to divide and conquer. In the entire paper he never once mentions Gentiles – Americans. The rank and file have no clue the white hot rage that is burning in the hearts of the dispossessed. This episode has ripped the mask off. I promise you that episode with Scott Adams the… Read more »

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  RealityRules
14 days ago

I didn’t catch that. What happened to Scott Adams?

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  TempoNick
14 days ago

He got wind of the new anti-anti-semitism laws passed by Republicans and Congress and had a massive fit of rage. It made his thing about black violence a while back seem like a stoic judge at a chess game.

I am sure you can find it on the Internet somewhere.When The Boomer Begins To ..

Jannie
Jannie
15 days ago

The Goldman piece linked here is awful. Absolute ignorance of European history. European states were dynastic or imperialist long before they were nationalist.

WOPR
WOPR
15 days ago

So Goldman in his attempt to tell those evil Christians to suck it up, and remember Israel is special, essentially argued that Jews can only be loyal to Jews? A Christian has certain hierarchies and responsibilities. The Jew as the Chosen of God only has Jews and Israel.

BTW, his first paragraph is historically illiterate. Israel was unified for a whole three kings. That included a few overthrow attempts. As a unified nation, they were a blip.

TomA
TomA
15 days ago

Remedy matters.

The natural response to the ever-increasing insanity is to get viscerally angry and want to slit someone’s throat. Those are the wages of endless beyond-the-pale escalation of the madness that currently afflicts us. But rash emotional outbursts are not an effective solution, even if supremely satisfying in the moment. Every day, Hamas fighters in Gaza spring up out of seeming nowhere and launch homemade rockets into IDF armored vehicles. That’s a tangible realty that the Zionists cannot ignore or paper over with bribes, political blackmail, or MSM propaganda. Watch and learn.

Dr. Mabuse
Dr. Mabuse
15 days ago

I liked Spengler for years; I think I started reading him around 9/11, when I discovered a lot of writers who were new to me. But something went wrong with him several years ago, maybe it was a midlife crisis, which affects some people by making them turn back to their religious roots with a vengeance. Anyway, he seemed to turn into Super Jew, and it seemed that 80% of his columns were focused on Judaism. Even that wouldn’t be so bad, but he just wouldn’t stay in his lane, and kept making observations about Christianity that really annoyed me.… Read more »

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  Dr. Mabuse
15 days ago

Just like how the progressives believe we obsess on race solely because they obsess on race. Since they hate you and want you dead, they just assume you hate them and want them dead and might lash out at any moment. Admittedly, everyone projects to some extent, but the progressives really, really project. There is a second aspect which is the resentment deep in their black little hearts. Our small hatted friends are particularly susceptible to this among the progressives. I try to imagine how it would feel as a White Christian in China. I don’t know how I would… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
15 days ago

“Project Ukraine is looking like the Varian Disaster for the American empire. 

The Varian disaster was at the beginning or perhaps midpoint of the height of the Roman Empire, the decline only beginning to be noticeable more than a century later. Our Varian disaster was Vietnam. This truly was the inflection point for the GAE. It is now, 50 years later our decline is undeniable and obvious to those who care to look.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  thezman
15 days ago

Possibly. It’s very difficult to say. But I’ve been revising my BFE-longevity prognostication downward lately. I’m thinking it may have 15 years left. Maybe.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Compsci
15 days ago

And perhaps our crossing of the Rubicon happened in Nov 1963

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
15 days ago

Well, we certainly crossed the Mekong on August 2, 1964.

Xin Loi
Xin Loi
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
13 days ago

“Crossing if the Rubicon 11/22/63”

I like that. A lot.

Allen Dulles as Julius Caesar? One of the big advantages our present actual government has is its facelessness.

Marko
Marko
15 days ago

The Jewish Century is coming to an end; we are soon going to have an interregnum where Muslims and Hindus vie to be the new puppetmasters and colonizers of the West, though the Hindus will eventually win out over the quarrelsome Muslims. In a few generations, people obsessed with the JQ will be like people now who still think the Vatican or the Masons run the world.

Jannie
Jannie
15 days ago

There are a couple of reasons for Israel’s shift rightwards: 1) Attitudes of Israelis towards the Palestinians have hardened significantly since the 2000 Intifada and the breakdown of the Oslo agreements. More than two decades of on-off war and terrorism, now understanding that their enemies have no wish for peace. 2) While the Israeli Left – like the Left throughout the West – is not breeding but rather embracing homosexuality, childlessness, etc. the Right is popping out babies like no tomorrow. Someone like Ben Gvir (admirer of Baruch Goldstein and Meir Kahane) would NEVER have been in government 20 years… Read more »

Kralizec
Kralizec
Reply to  Jannie
15 days ago

Do we think that Nick Fuentes is going to be putting lots of babies into women?

Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
15 days ago

Here’s how the last attempt to build the Third Temple ended: “Julian thought to rebuild at an extravagant expense the proud Temple once at Jerusalem, and committed this task to Alypius of Antioch. Alypius set vigorously to work, and was seconded by the governor of the province; when fearful balls of fire, breaking out near the foundations, continued their attacks, till the workmen, after repeated scorchings, could approach no more: and he gave up the attempt.
— Ammianus Marcellinus, The Roman History of Ammianus Marcellinus, Book 23, Chapter 1, Line 3
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Temple

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jack Boniface
15 days ago

All-you-can-eat fava bean dinners for the workmen and welding torches do not mix…

Mike Tre
Mike Tre
15 days ago

“The normally sober minded David Goldman, the man behind the Spengler”

This guy has been a regular at PJ Media (or was) over 10 years and regularly engaged readers in the comments. IMO, he never wore a mask, even back before I had the JQ awakening, his opinion on matters regarding the middle east were IMO insane. He’s one of the reasons I left that website, to Include Glenn Reynold’s Instapundit, for good.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Mike Tre
15 days ago

I tussled with him a bit on twitter over this article. He was completely open about Jewish supremacy and being God’s special people. It was chilling.

Alfred
Alfred
15 days ago

Whenever I feel my total dedication to Israel slipping, I visit a Holocaust museum. I advise everyone to do this. There are over 34,000 Holocaust museums, some big, others small, across this great country.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Alfred
14 days ago

In what manner does a past incident of moral turpitude allow/forgive another? This is not to deny the Holocaust, but to point out the great moral question posed by the present conflict in Gaza. Do 6M lives horribly taken redeem the taking of thousands of innocent lives? Folks can come down on either side of this dilemma, but to pretend there is no moral issue here displays a great lack of understanding and moral clarity in thinking.

Chimeral
Chimeral
Reply to  Alfred
14 days ago

Could not agree more, although I never feel my own slipping. But for those that do, don’t let books like “Night” and “Diary” put you off even if they are seen by some as fan fic. The bottom line is they transmit feelings and emotions that communicate to one and all what it is all about and that is the best thing anyone can expect from the epic human tragedy that trumps all other events in the history of mankind. To think and act otherwise will soon get you behind bars in this land is our land, this land is… Read more »

Voter
Voter
15 days ago

What has happened to the proposed First Amendment changes? Like so many other hot stories it looks to have dropped out of the public consciousness.

Can someone explain why that proposal is not toxic?
Also explain why Congress approved Noahide Laws?

What do those do to the average American?

Hun
Hun
15 days ago

How would nuking Gaza affect the value of coastal real estate in the area? Or is that the old thinking?

Maxda
Maxda
Reply to  Hun
15 days ago

Can Blackrock still develop there if they use a “clean” nuke?

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Hun
15 days ago

The conservative Jews will rebuild the Gaza Strip and move the degeneracy from Tel Aviv to there. Whatever Palestinians are left will move to Jordan or Egypt out of disgust. In the future, “going to Gaza” will have the same meaning as now saying “going to Bangkok”.

Gespenst
Gespenst
Reply to  Marko
15 days ago

Neither Egypt nor Jordan want any Palestinians. Nobody wants them. They are violent parasites In 1970, Jordan suffered a Palestine Liberation Organization infestation and wiped out a bunch of PLO. The rest left and many of those went to Lebanon, which they proceeded to wreck.. Egypt has built a big, beautiful wall to keep Palestinians out. I can’t blame Israel for wanting to be rid of them. The “Biden” “Administration” is said to be preparing to import an unspecified number of Palestinian “refugees”, thereby strengthening our diversity. I can hardly wait for the Somalis start fighting the Palestinians in American… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Gespenst
15 days ago

The analogy of Somalis and Palis is a good one. Diversity is dreadful, but some diversity is even more horrific than the rest. Somalis and Palis are the worst of the diverse.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Gespenst
15 days ago

This is what I fear. You are spot on. The Palestinians have been driven from every Arab country they have “fled” to—and not because of some prejudice, but because of their subversive actions within their host country. No one wants these degenerates—except of course—potentially, the USA. Heaven help us if they arrive in our shores.

Maxda
Maxda
Reply to  Marko
15 days ago

Last week we talked with several Christian missionaries freshly returned from Egypt. They described how adamant Egypt is that they aren’t taking the Palestinians. They are disruptive and Egypt is already full of Sudanese refugees.

Maxda
Maxda
Reply to  Marko
15 days ago

More likely – the Israelis herd them all towards that floating pier we are building and they get sealifted out to be dumped in American cities.

Then watch the anti-Israel sentiment in the U.S. take off like a rocket.

Gespenst
Gespenst
Reply to  Maxda
15 days ago

There will be plenty of anti-Palestinian sentiment once the new arrivals collide with the normies, the legacy blacks, the currently-swelling mixed illegal population and the Somalis over welfare benefits, turf and political power.

Nobody will think of Israel when that goes down.

Maxda
Maxda
Reply to  Gespenst
15 days ago

Too much noticing has already happened. Those who don’t want Palestinians in their neighborhoods will blame Israel.

Those who want them will be infected by the most virulently antiemetic people in the world.

Gespenst
Gespenst
Reply to  Maxda
15 days ago

Perhaps some people would like an infestation of Palestinians to be blamed on Israel, but I doubt it. Get enough Palestinians in this country and people will finally understand why Israel wants them gone.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Gespenst
15 days ago

But that’s the issue. If Israel wants them out of Israel, then go back to the 1947 borders (e.i., GTFO). If Israel wants to genocide them, then too bad if they fight back. From what I can tell, they deserve each other.

Gespenst
Gespenst
Reply to  c matt
15 days ago

Yes, they deserve each other.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Maxda
15 days ago

Then watch the anti-Israel sentiment in the U.S. take off like a rocket.

Of course, because far be it from the classically-educated American to be able to understand who was running the sealift, let alone the obvious solution — sink the damn ships.

Not like Raspail isn’t available in English… for free… though it’s not on Netflix…

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Hun
15 days ago

Hiroshima and Nagasaki look great these days.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Vizzini
15 days ago

Yes, but the real estate profits took many years to materialize.

Member
Reply to  Vizzini
15 days ago

How’s Detroit and Chicago lookin’? Negroes are more devastating than nuclear weapons.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Pickle Rick
15 days ago

Indeed.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Pickle Rick
15 days ago

And yet the Grillers will look at the Hiroshima-Nagasaki/Detroit-Chicago configuration and blame the disparity on Democratic rule in the latter. Bloody idiots.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
15 days ago

Chicago wasn’t appreciably better under Irishmen, was it?

Bloody idiot.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Steve
15 days ago

I mean, it was better, in a way. The Irish mostly kept the diversity in their own neighborhoods, rarely allowing them to loot the Miracle Mile or the affluent suburbs, but Daley II wasn’t anywhere near the man his dad was in keeping the violence in check.

But some of the worst started under Byrne.

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Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Steve
15 days ago

The point is these cities didn’t become hellholes until the 1960 with the massive influx of Hutus from the south. The deterioration of the cities is a demographic issue, not a political one.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
14 days ago

Exactly. Someone a ways back said the problem is it’s hard to hold a chair over your head. Richard J. Daley (and the other old-time Democrats) didn’t do that. They just picked it up whenever they needed to brain one when they got out of line, and the rest were cowed. All he had to do is point to the chair now and again.

Modern Democrats pander to the ferals, so of course they act out. I’m not excusing the chimps. Just saying that not even Sweden could make socialism work, with a homogenous Nordic population at the time.

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Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Steve
14 days ago

It’s much easier to keep a small populace of nuggras in line than a huge one. In 1949 Chicago’s black population was fairly minimal and the city was a great place to live. But by 1969 negroes had become a very large minority and huge sections of Chi-town had become Shit-town.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
14 days ago

All I was able to find were the census figures, so decades. 1940 was about 10%, 1950 about 23%, 1960 about 29%, where it’s been ever since.

Homicide rate in 1960 still 10 per 100k, 1970, 30 per 100k, now 22 per 100k. With all having roughly the same ratio of blacks, and a slightly shrinking total number of blacks.

There’s something else at work.

Gespenst
Gespenst
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
15 days ago

And yet the Grillers will look at the Hiroshima-Nagasaki/Detroit-Chicago configuration and blame the disparity on Democratic rule in the latter.

When a Grillers comment on the deterioration of a large blue city, you can depend on one to say how many years have elapsed since the last Republican mayor. This is one of the most annoying things about Grillers and the first sign of an especially deluded one

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Gespenst
14 days ago

In the case of Chicago, D or R never really mattered. Not for at least a century. NY may have invented American corruption, and Jersey improved it, but Chicago took it to an artform.

And corruption there took the form of cracking down on cops, while extending the Jussie Smollet treatment to all ferals, regardless of the number they rape or kill.

Eddie Coyle
Eddie Coyle
Reply to  Hun
15 days ago

The recent $62 Billion aid package includes $3.8Billion to resettle Palestinians in the US. This item alone may explain why it was so important to our politicians to pass that bill.

Bigtoni
Bigtoni
15 days ago

Goldman has been pushing the “western nations need the Jews” nonsense for years. It goes back to his old Alias days at Asia times. He wields a great pen, but has the conceits of his tribe.

Yman
Yman
14 days ago

Biden ran his mouth about Japan is too Japanese, country must become multi-racial shithole like America That moment all the sympathy to the white people lived in America eroded America Economy only works who own the capitals, it doesn’t work for worker, especially for the non-white worker Angry non-white voter will demand the law that disassembled white men’s body every white woman now knew that having babies with white men is a major disadvantage to lives and within a decade, America doesn’t have attractive pure young white people so all Hollywood movie actor is going to be foreigner when you choose war with Nazi Germany that actually you choose your own extinction… Read more »

Frip
Member
14 days ago

Zman: “The public has clearly changed. The long allergy to thinking about the role of Jews in these foreign projects is gone and now you see things in the public square with regard to the role of Jews in politics that would not have seen the light of day a few decades ago.” Mearsheimer and Walt’s “The Israeli Lobby”, 2007 got the ball rolling to discuss the issue in polite, educated company. What Israel is doing to the Palestinians now accelerated it to warp speed. So, in that sense, all is going according to Hamas’ big, last ditch move on… Read more »

ObsidianKnife
ObsidianKnife
Reply to  Frip
11 days ago

They were always bent on self-destruction. Always. Nobody could have prevented it.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
15 days ago

Elsewhere, someone noted why Soros and fellow orgs are funding the protests: as a common threat to unite the Tribe.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
15 days ago

I hadn’t noticed it was fractured.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Alzaebo
15 days ago

United for what? So that their 2% of the population can swing the election?

I can picture it being done as a way to unite the “right,” with all the Republicons coming out full throated in support of Our Greatest Ally. Hmmm

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David Wright
Member
15 days ago

What’s the saying about history , it may repeat not itself but it does rhyme.
Sometimes it really does repeat itself. Same O, same O

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
15 days ago

seems like the dems are split on their support for israel, withe the biden regime backing hamas.

RealityRules
RealityRules
15 days ago

I don’t know who this guy is, but this is the first intelligent take on Jeremy Carl’s new book I have read. Most over at American Mind only engender exponential extremes of outrage that Our dispossession already engender. This guy understands that Carl and his ilk are the last chance for this system to right it wrongs. This is the first time I have explicitly seen Trumps Platinum plan grift explicitly called out. I don’t know who is organizing us, but the time is coming. The time is coming for us to organize and force everyone to give us a… Read more »

1660please
1660please
15 days ago

Slightly OT, but does anyone have a link to a good, comprehensive description of what seems to have really happened on Oct. 7 last year in Israel? I know that there were apparently some fake stories about atrocities committed by Hamas, but also that it seems they really did commit a lot of horrible stuff. I’m not really on either side but would just like to know more.

WOPR
WOPR
Reply to  1660please
15 days ago

I doubt we’ll ever know for sure. Supposedly, the Israelis have this horrific video showing all of the atrocities. It’s never seen the light of day. My best educated guess: The raid involved a large number of Muslim men, plus included individuals and small groups taking advantage of the situation. Therefore, yes I am confident in saying that rapes, and brutalities did occur. I doubt though that they were as widespread or as horrific as claimed. It was likely the horrors of war type of thing with maybe a handful, at most, of really gruesome acts. The IDF response was… Read more »

1660please
1660please
Reply to  WOPR
15 days ago

Thanks, WOPR

Dan
Dan
15 days ago

“This does not mean Americans are becoming antisemitic.” – lol

Whiskey
Whiskey
15 days ago

I disagree on this Z-Man, the global question is the inevitable fruit of the Colors of Benetton: “Team White or Team Anti-White?” The FT did an article on the Israeli left and peace movement. After 10/7 they have abandoned any hope or desire to make peace as they see it as impossible due to the extreme atrocities of 10/7 and more shocking to them, the glee in which the parents / relatives of the perps reacted to the livestreaming. It was not JUST the atrocities themselves but the Gazan reaction to them: joy, the erased any desire for peace or… Read more »

Whiskey
Whiskey
Reply to  Whiskey
15 days ago

Replying to my own comment, it is interesting to note that Biden has offered “intel” on Hamas exact leadership location in tunnels if Israel does not invade Rafah. How indeed would the US know that? Only through close, constant communication with senior Hamas officials. Lost in this is that the US under Obama, and resumed under Biden (Trump had ended it), is that the US has directly paid Hamas, and also Iran (to the tune of billions). The US may or may not have known about 10/7 in advance, but they certainly have a close working relationship with Hamas to… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Whiskey
15 days ago

Assuming that wasn’t just a BidenGaffe, there must have been some reason to let everyone know we have HUMINT embeds the Mossad does not. It really can’t be to pressure Hamas — they could simply relocate and send the CIA assets home in pieces. If a bunch of Palis get tortured to death to root out the real spies, who cares? Hamas has shown no qualms about using them as human shields, anyway.

The most plausible explanation I have is that Hamas leadership is already in Raafah…

Migapede
Migapede
13 days ago

Fuentes is a Fed, can you stop thirsting for Mexican twink ass for one fucking second you boomer dimwit?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
14 days ago

Why, pray tell me, are Soros color revolution organizations “protesting” Israel doing the same thing 3 Arab countries have already done?

Thomas McLeod
Thomas McLeod
15 days ago

The failure of State Department wars of the last 60 (100?) years does not necessarily make the American Military a “paper tiger”. There’s a danger in reading too much militarily in the coming Russian victory in the Ukraine. As much as I enjoy the comeuppance of the neocon class, extrapolating the destruction of a few stripped down 40-year-old M1 Abrams, or the coming destruction of the stripped down soon to be poorly maintained and piloted F-16s in to the American military as a “paper tiger” is fatuous. Putin, by the way, knows this, which is why he has been very… Read more »

Diversity Heretic
Member
Reply to  Thomas McLeod
15 days ago

Good comment! There are aspects of the American military that are very effective, albeit at a very high price. But I do wonder about the quality of the personnel that would have to do the fighting. Special forces and Navy SEALS remain quite good, but I wonder how a run-of-the-mill US Army mechanized brigade would fare if it had to face the Russians presently fighting in the Donbass. And how would the Navy fare if it had to constantly defend its carrier task forces against swarms of cruise missiles and drones. Maybe not a paper tiger but an old one… Read more »

Maxda
Maxda
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
15 days ago

I have reservations about how well a regular brigade or even division would fare over there. Been a very long time since American soldiers had to worry about air attacks, significant incoming artillery, or their logistics being severed.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Maxda
15 days ago

I have similar reservations. And those reservations are thrilling.

Thomas McLeod
Thomas McLeod
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
15 days ago

The United States Navy is its submarine force.

Diversity Heretic
Member
Reply to  Thomas McLeod
15 days ago

Good insight! I’ve often suspected that the US Navy would be more troubled by the loss of a fast attack submarine than an aircraft carrier. And diesel electric submarines are pretty formidable in a littoral environment. Also, I wonder how many attacks a submarine can make before it needs to be rearmed. I’ve read that the US has few or no submarine tenders, so the submarines would have to return to a suitable base; not a good basis for a sustained campaign.

Thomas McLeod
Thomas McLeod
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
15 days ago

I have often felt that our aircraft carrier centric navy was a jobs program masquerading as defense program. Tough to shut down Newport News politically, and maintaining those ship building skills should be a priority anyway. You did, however, send me down the rabbit hole: US Navy Issues Updated Solicitation On AS(X) Submarine Tenders – Naval News

Maxda
Maxda
Reply to  Thomas McLeod
15 days ago

It’s useful for bullying weaker nations. Useless now against a peer with hypersonic missiles.

Mike
Mike
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
15 days ago

You are mostly right except for one thing, a sub is a quiet loss. A carrier and probably a carrier group on the bottom would be an apocalypse for the US in the war of perception that matters much more to the GAE. A sub going down is about 100 or so people and quiet. A carrier is 5000 or so and leaves a big hole in the ocean.

Remember perception is reality for the empire now. That’s why a single tank destroyed on video gets more attention than a thousand ukes buried in trenches.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
15 days ago

I’m afraid those are probably compromised personnel-wise anyway. Another blogger posted a video last week of a Captain’s Mast and it was taking place on an Ohio Class missile boat. The subject of the mast was some ghetto groid who appeared before the Captain in his dress whites which were disheveled: his pants were undone in the front and his dress blouse was in tatters. How he was allowed to stand before the skipper like that, I don’t know. As the captain began to read the charges (among them, leaving his post) this mutt kept yelling out, “Dats bullshit!”, after… Read more »

Zaphod
Zaphod
Reply to  Steve
14 days ago

Plus women. They’re putting women on the boomers, too.

All that’s wanting is a fat one who sings.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
15 days ago

Which aspects? You can’t fight a war with special forces alone…

Gespenst
Gespenst
Reply to  pyrrhus
15 days ago

It looks like we’ve configured our forces for counter-insurgency operations, and turkey shoots against weak opponents like Iraq.

That’s not in line with current developments.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
15 days ago

Given that white recruitment to the military is down more than 40% from 2018, you can bet that the technical side of the military and the combat units are hurting for qualified soldiers.

Whites are now just 44% of the military recruits. Given the turnover in the military, that means in a few years, whites will be a minority in the military overall. Given that blacks and Hispanics are add nothing, this means that our military is really only half as big as we say it is.

GAE’s military is running out of time.

Mow Noname
Mow Noname
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
15 days ago

But at least everyone in the DoD is jabbed and boosted, so when they get Covid their symptoms will be slightly less.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
14 days ago

Given that blacks and Hispanics are add nothing, …”

Wrong, they subtract. Every fighting man that does not contribute (as in pull his weight) is a net minus. The was learned in Korea with the deprecated Black divisions.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Compsci
14 days ago

The blacks are pretty much only REMFs. Quartermaster. Truck driver. Motor pool. That kind of thing. There are (or used to be) quite a few hispanics in combat divisions, but they tended to crash morale. They had to go all IKAGO figuring out who could be assigned where.

Zulu Juliet
Zulu Juliet
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
15 days ago

A regular Army battalion under intense artillery fire would fall apart in the current year. In the cold war the Army was mentally prepared for a massive Red Army onslaught with chemical weapons and tactical nukes raining down.

Forty years using high-tech weaponry to push around primitives has made the regulars soft.

Maxda
Maxda
Reply to  Zulu Juliet
15 days ago

Yes – I went through Marine training during the Cold War. We were trained to fight through those kinds of dire scenarios.

george1
george1
Reply to  Thomas McLeod
15 days ago

In a conflict that stays conventional against a near peer it is obvious that the West is a paper tiger. The biggest problem is that the United States no longer has the industrial capacity to fight a war with Russia or China. Worse, there is no easy path to bring that industrial capacity back. Those multi billion dollar aircraft carriers are obsolete against Russia or China and it takes the better part of a decade to build one. Perhaps most of all the U.S. no longer has the social capitol it would take to build or maintain an industrial capacity… Read more »

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Thomas McLeod
15 days ago

What are the units on the Y axis of that chart?

george 1
george 1
Reply to  Thomas McLeod
15 days ago

Then why can’t we keep Ukraine supplied with artillery shells? I would be careful about believing what the “federal” reserve says.

Ponsonby
Member
Reply to  Thomas McLeod
15 days ago

Interesting. The “real output” measured includes “mining” and “electric and gas utilities”. Does “mining” include oil drilling/fracking? All that together might explain the big short recent drops tracking economic crises, especially if there was relatively little manufacturing capacity to cushion those drops. No one doubts that our energy use has soared. If that together with other industrial capacity is flat it looks like our manufacturing capacity might have cratered. Food for thought and further inquiry. Thanks!

Gespenst
Gespenst
Reply to  Thomas McLeod
15 days ago

Industrial production of what? is the question at issue here.

WillS
WillS
Reply to  george1
15 days ago

Excellent comment. The loss of industrial capacity and the lack of logistical support for a sustained war effort has made the US a one trick pony.

The nukes were built by the slide rule guys so that might be our only legitimate threat. The outcome is anyone’s guess considering the counter measures we have. If the target country has good counter measures they would be a colossal failure.

I am not sure we have the ability to assess our strength and weakness. Most likely it’s guessing or wishful thinking.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  Thomas McLeod
15 days ago

Our trillion dollar Navy is just a bunch of sitting ducks in a missile and drone dominated world, and our land forces are smaller than they were in 1940, and full of useless women and retards…Our nukes had better work…

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Thomas McLeod
15 days ago

I analogize today’s GAE military to a heavyweight brawler who can knock you out with one punch but lacks the stamina to take it into the late rounds. And disregarding nukes, that punch is getting weaker all the time.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Thomas McLeod
15 days ago

Getting beat by the Russians is maybe one thing, but getting beat by the Afghans, Yemen and Niger as well makes a rather noticeable trend.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Thomas McLeod
15 days ago

Sure, the US can still throw a punch, but it can’t sustain a fight. Also, many other countries can now punch back. It’s not the US is no longer a power, but it is now one military power among many.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
15 days ago

We have a difficult time against near peers, and the peers are getting nearer.

Hokkoda
Member
15 days ago

Panic is panic. It’s an emotional reaction, not a logical one. The voices scream louder to shout down dissent. We saw the same silly screaming during COVID as the “science” became increasingly suspect. Even my ordinarily pro-Israel, evangelical Christian, sister is muted on this war. Like it or not, we are witnessing something Rush Limbaugh noted about the region back in the 90’s and early 00’s: nobody is ever allowed to win. Somebody, usually the US, swoops in and negotiates a cease fire. Both sides kick their wounds. Nobody wins. And they reload for the next fight. The drubbing the… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Hokkoda
15 days ago

To again cite Rushbo, the Russians are doing this with one arm tied behind their backs just to make it fair. They were a little slow to figuring out how to deal with drone warfare, and it’s clear their electronic warfare is not what we were told it was, but quantity has a quality of it’s own. Hundreds of 40 YO Soviet tanks against ten 40 YO Abrams tanks is no contest.

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Hokkoda
Member
Reply to  Steve
15 days ago

That’s not a defeat of American weapons. We maintain fewer tanks because tanks are easy to destroy from the air. Just ask the Ukes. Or the Iraqis. US doctrine is AirPower forward.

Thats the main reason why we haven’t seen much military air supplied to Ukraine. They’d use it to attack targets inside Russia until the Russians shoot them all down.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Hokkoda
14 days ago

I’m not remotely qualified to discuss that.

Just pointing out that if the best the Ukes can do is a dozen 40 year old MBTs, the Ivans own them. With one arm tied behind their backs just to make it fair.

Hokkoda
Member
Reply to  Steve
14 days ago

Again, Russia has an uncontested border and open supply lines that are safe from attack. That they’ve been forced to slowly grind away in Ukraine is important, and explains why they’re no threat to push into Western Europe.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Steve
14 days ago

Respectful disagreement: “the Russians are doing this with one arm tied behind their backs” because the OVERWHELMING parameter in their warfighting strategy is preservation of their fighting men. The want to win, and not just against the stupid Ukies, but against the globalist-controlled institutions of NATO and the EU with the least possible number of their men killed. If it takes longer, that’s fine. They have endless time. If they have to make tactical retreats to preserve force structure (save THEIR lives) that’s fine. They have endless space. What they don’t have, and neither does anyone else, is endless quality… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Horace
14 days ago

Agreed. I was being glib with the “just to make it fair.” No one seeks to make war “fair”. Men are expensive and just shy of irreplaceable. Artillery shells are cheap, at least those not made by or for NATO.

Lakelander
Lakelander
Reply to  Hokkoda
15 days ago

How did that war work out for the Wehrmacht in the end?

Another clueless armchair general moaning that Russia isn’t moving fast enough for them as they slowly and deliberately win the war.

Hokkoda
Member
Reply to  Lakelander
15 days ago

Huh? The Wehrmacht took the continent of Europe in a few months. Russia is not capable of this. They have neither the men nor the materials.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Hokkoda
14 days ago

Nor the desire.

Hokkoda
Member
Reply to  Steve
14 days ago

On this we agree

Gespenst
Gespenst
Reply to  Hokkoda
15 days ago

The Russians probably don’t want to overrun all of Ukraine. It’s a good guess they want to destroy the Ukrainian military, get control of the Russian-speaking areas and leave a demilitarized Ukrainian rump state as somebody else’s problem–and do this at minimal cost while having a stronger military at the end.

Things seem to be going that way. A Wehrmacht-style invasion would not accomplish this and, anyway, in 2022 Russia did not have the resources to do it.

Hokkoda
Member
Reply to  Gespenst
15 days ago

Actually, their strategy is the same as in Georgia: lop off just enough of the country to take NATO membership off the table without risking a larger insurgent conflict in areas that aren’t ethnic Russian. I’ve said that for 2 years.

They’ve largely been successful. They have limited goals for a limited conflict because this is all their military can accomplish.

Gespenst
Gespenst
Reply to  Hokkoda
14 days ago

Successful so far. The long run problem for Russia is to prevent a US-sponsored, pro-NATO coup in the rump state, which would be a replay of 2014 to 2022.

That needs careful management.

Hokkoda
Member
Reply to  Gespenst
14 days ago

They’ve proven that their “Georgia” strategy works. They don’t need to conquer entire countries. Just cripple them.

Gespenst
Gespenst
Reply to  Hokkoda
14 days ago

The Russians certainly crippled Georgia. Ukraine borders NATO, which will have easy access to rump Ukraine for stirring up trouble. That’s what needs managing.

george1
george1
Reply to  Hokkoda
15 days ago

The Russians have also been very conservative. Their loss ratio is about 8 to 1. They carry on the war slowly but surely. They also have kept the majority of their military units and combat capability in reserve in order to address any NATO moves. Regarding the West’s air superiority, last week the Russians warned France, Germany and Britain that if Russia is hit by any of the West’s advanced weaponry, they will consider that an attack by the countries that produced those weapons. They also said they would attack the producers and supplies of these weapons in AND outside… Read more »

Hokkoda
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Reply to  george1
15 days ago

Both sides know this. There is a slow and small war because anything more ends in disaster for both sides. The Russians have safe supply lines because we allow it. (No airplanes for Ukraine, for example.) Tge Russians can also hit the Uke’s supply lines – NATO countries. It doesn’t because we don’t.

in any case, Russia really is not capable of pushing into Europe. Not without going nuclear.