There are three things true about the modern West and all three of them are connected to the issue of religion. One is the obvious fact that the religion of the West, Christianity, is in steep decline. The second is that the West itself is in a steep cultural decline, which may be the result of the decline of Christianity, or it could be another symptom of a deeper issue behind both of those problems. Then there is the ongoing invasion and subjugation of European people in their own lands.
Objectively, occidental people look more like Native Americans right now, in terms of the things we can measure, than their ancestors of the last century. Low birth rates, declining life spans, rampant discrimination against people of European heritage, drug and alcohol abuse. Like the Indians on the reservation, European people now live at the pleasure of an alien ruling elite. As we are seeing in the UK, European people no longer have their ancient rights in their own lands.
What needs to happen to arrest this process is for occidental people to fight back against the gathering darkness. For that to happen, people need to be inspired to sacrifice for something and the best way to get people to sacrifice is through the mechanism of religion. A healthy people have a religion that reflects what they love and celebrate about themselves. This is what provides the motivation to sacrifice present happiness for the future happiness of their people.
The trouble with this line of thought is that the religion of the West, Christianity in its various forms, is in total collapse. That means creating a new religion, but new religions do not have a great track record. Not only that, the secular religion of the West, liberalism, is drenched in Christian priors. If you want to start a new religion, you not only have to contend with the old religion, but that which has slowly displaced it in the name of secularism and openness.
On the other hand, you could take a page from the last successful new religion, Mormonism, and create a spinoff of sorts. It is debatable as to whether Mormonism is a Christian denomination. Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints consider themselves Christians. They share many Christian beliefs, such as the divinity, crucifixion, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. In the end it does not matter much as they managed to make it work and continue to thrive.
In other words, the Mormons rebooted Christianity in a new religion that served the needs of a growing number of people who did not see what they wanted or needed in the existing Christian denominations. Another way of putting it is a group of religious entrepreneurs saw an untapped market and created a product that fit the needs of this underserved market for religion. They set about creating a new religion, using many of the familiar parts of the existing religion.
The first task of Joseph Smith and his early converts was to create a new moral authority for his new religion. In order to avoid the trap of current interpretation of Scripture, Smith said he was visited by an angel who led him to the “golden plates” which would form the basis of a new religious text and the foundation of the religion we call Mormonism. The Book of Mormon is not another Gospel or considered Scripture, but it sits alongside Scripture for the believers.
The important thing about this additive process is that Smith was recentering the moral authority of Christians between the God of the Old Testament and the God of Jesus and the New Testament. The Hebrew God is masculine, cruel, and often terrifying, while the God of Jesus is infinitely merciful and benevolent. God of the Old Testament is a warrior who loves the smell of burning flesh. The God of the New Testament is a loving mother who always forgives you, no matter what.
By the 19th century the Christian God was becoming something of an alien weirdo, especially to men. How could a man trust a God who cannot savor the thrill of dominating his opponent or who cannot enjoy sin? What is the point of worshipping a God who will forgive you if you fail to worship him? Men sacrifice their goods and their person, not because of trust, but because of fear, a fear of the consequences of doing otherwise, either from their fellows or from their God.
The Christian was no longer a sinner in the hands of an angry God, but a sinner who was clutched to the bosom of a loving God. The former did not care if sin was an inevitable plight of man. You were still going to be punished. The latter did not care if you sinned or that you did so with guilt free enthusiasm. You were welcomed into the Kingdom of Heaven just as long as you accepted Christ. The masculine God was gone from the house of man and the feminized God was in charge.
What Mormonism did was recreate the authority of Christianity as something that could both inspire men and terrify them. It is from this reimagined authority that the new rules of the new religion rest. Modern Mormonism may have been feminized over time, like everything else, but there is no doubting its initial masculine appeal. A God that promises men multiple wives is a God who both loves man and also enjoys, at times, tormenting him with too much of what he desires.
The other thing about this new masculine God and his new followers was that they were exclusive and it was not easy to join this new religion. Anything that is easy to obtain quickly loses its value and this was the curse of Christianity by the 19th century. To be a Christian of any type, maybe multiple types, was no more challenging that buying a new suit or changing fashion styles. Then as now, the mature Christian denominations asked nothing from the believers other than cash.
The early Mormons had to suffer, and to some degree they are still required to suffer, due to their peculiar habits. Smith and his followers were chased around the Midwest by angry mobs who viewed them as dangerous heretics, until an angry mob eventually killed Smith and his brother. Smith was a martyr for his cause, but unlike Christ, he was not a martyr in denial of human reality, but a martyr in service to the people of his new religion, thus an example for all of them.
Regardless of how you feel about Mormonism, it is a great example of how to form a new religion from the rubble of Christianity. Smith was the product of the Second Great Awakening, a period of renewal for Protestant sects that had lost their way and a time for new approaches to the life of Christ. Adventism and Dispensationalism also came from this period of religious revival. The Social Gospel Movement also had roots in the Second Great Awakening.
If any society and people are due for another “great awakening” it is the people of the occident who find themselves on the cusp of oblivion. If you are thinking about starting a new religion or resurrecting an old religion, now is a good time, as there are millions of people unhappy with the current offerings. It might also be a good time to reimagine God as something more terrifying than the benevolent old black guy who is happy to drive around Miss Daisy.
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Actually, we may have an answer to our dilemma: Eastern Orthodoxy. Many in the West, and I know some of them, have turned to Orthodoxy. This version of Christianity maintains its masculine virility by excluding the feminine in its priestly hierarchy, yet allowing its priests to marry (or chase skirts). It also embraces nationalism, which gives substance to patriarchical impulses. It is obvious that Russia has been revivified by its long dormant religious heritage. Watch what happens in the east.
True, although ‘Christian Identity’ is a more accurate framework for understanding the covenants God made exclusively with Israel (not jews) and apply to both OT and NT. https://christogenea.org/articles/what-christian-identity “Christian Identity, also sometimes called Israel Identity, is the only true conservative Christianity. It is true because it seeks to maintain the understanding – in accordance with Scripture – that the New Covenant was made only with those same people with whom the Old Covenant was made: the House (family) of Israel and the House (family) of Judah. These Israelite people are traceable through time to the Keltic and Germanic tribes of… Read more »
Thank you, Yorgensen, that rings the bell of truth for me, a born and forever “atheist”.
Why? Because race is the root, my race is my religion.
People, even the religious, seem to think that race is a random accident, with little meaning. I say no, race is integral to the Design, a pure expression of what the ecology that people call the “spiritual” is working towards. Of why life exists.
I also say the Israelites were majority Aryan- that is, white- as was the Nazarene, a banner I could readily pledge to.
The race-is-religion thing is worse off than Protestantism and will always break off into rival and quarreling sects. No group of people will EVER be satisfied with a singular definition of race, and that is always going to be the crux of the problem and source of discord. For me personally, the concept strains credulity. As an example, all whites are part of your family, yet in the real world tell that to a parent or a sibling or a spouse that some strangers across the world are just as much “my people” as you my wife, or my son,… Read more »
There is a difference between nuclear family and extended family. Nobody’s saying Tsvetan the Bulgarian truck driver should be as important to Sigurd the Icelandic fisherman as his own son. But he should dam’ sure count for more than some African savage his treasonous government imported.
Well there we go, Ostei, because there is always going to be dissension in the ranks. The point you bring up is just another bone of contention. Why the concept is a dead-end. For every five “realistic” guys who accept a hierarchy of “my people” based on genetic proximity, there is going to be one purist who insists that ALL whites must be considered just a much family as your mom and dad. Philosophically, perhaps, or taking the white-is-my-religon to its logical outcome, that purist may be right. Or better yet, explain how “race is my religion” finds expression in… Read more »
The other problem is the majority of shitlibs are white. If you have to rule out half the demographic right out of the gate, maybe try to find some more common factor to base your new religion on?
The white race is fallen. But unlike every other race on the planet, it does still have the capacity to rise to empyrean heights. And if this means separating from the race traitors, so be it. I have no use for them, and whatever horrible fate befalls them is no concern of mine.
I’ve encountered no such purists. Not even on-line. And as for the intersection of race and religion, Christianity, in its militant, non-feminized form, serves as a pretty good proxy for whiteness as religion. Sure, sure, there are plenty of black and brown Christians, but deep down inside everybody knows it’s the white man’s religion, which is why the Left has targeted it for destruction.
Look at the Shroud of Turin AI image – White.
“No group of people will EVER be satisfied with a singular definition of race, and that is always going to be the crux of the problem and source of discord.”
No system is without problems.
Our enemies will determine who is white and who is not.
As it becomes more clear to whites that they are becoming a hated minority, whites will be forced together.
For most of my life as an Irish/German/Norwegian descendant living in Amerika I wondered why Christianity only spread like wildfire amongst fellow Europeans. No denominational “universalist” church could ever explain to me why Paul, Luke et al. went straight to the cities and towns in Europe/Asia Minor where their fellow racial Israelites where living rather than to Africa, India, China etc. I started thinking maybe Christianity had something to do with race (Matthew 15:24) When I eventually encountered a few ACTUAL Christians (less than 5% of Christians in Amerika) who knew about the Assyrian and Babylonian deportations I was shocked… Read more »
Are the Jews today the descendants of the O.T. Israelites? No. Modern day Jews are mostly the descendants of Punic converts to a form of the Judean Yahweh cult after the fall of Carthage. The Punic hypothesis is consistent with the genetic data (Phoenicians and Judeans were genetic cousins), and helps explain why large numbers of ‘Jews’ are suddenly found throughout the urban centers of the Roman Empire by the time of Augustus (with large numbers in Spain and North Africa). It also explains why a nation of peasant farmers with no real history of sea-faring, commercial trading, or colony… Read more »
Careful, or Carthago delenda est will be deemed anti-semitic and become prohibited speech and a hate crime
Excellent insights ! I’ve read many accounts that the “Phoenicians” were Israelites early on but through their maritime empire mixed with other races like Canaanites et al. They would never have referred to themselves Phoenician as such but rather as Sidonians or Tyreians. One thing that puzzled me for many years was the misunderstanding of the differences between the term “jew” and Israelites. The idiosyncrasies in all english Bible translations require any serious Christian to study the Greek NT, the Nestle-Aland is combined of all known codices including the uncials, Vatincanus/Sinaticus and Papyri.. The correct understanding of ‘ethnos’ (Gentile) and… Read more »
Yes, but it’s p clear the alt-right (as a psyop) pushes Orthodox as a means to further polarize this side. Unless you think Cernovich is serious when posting about it.
That’s what this post is about today by Z…one side is manly, the other is womanly. Polarizing the masses makes them easier to control. Forget you have to ignore what Jesus said to make this high school level writing work.
Would you extend a bit? I’m as prone to slander as the next guy, but what specific high school level writing are you talking about. (You might have to dumb it down for me — I have at best a grade-school understanding of EO.)
Son’s sole purpose in posting to this group seems to be criticism of Z-man. It used to be principled and to the topic at hand, but now seems to be mostly ad hominem attacks which reflect less upon Z-man than himself. I suppose it’s to be expected. There’s one in every group that seeks to aggrandize himself by putting down the host. Pathetic.
Having a slow week (and especially slow day), so you’re getting a few more comments from me than usual, I legit try not to comment often but…
I generally think you’re a smart guy, Compsci. I often look forward to your comments. However, if you think pointing out that Z’s argument today is founded on polarizing both sides to accept what appears to be an agenda is some sort of ad hom, Idk what to tell you.
Sorry, but I don’t see any arriere pensee in Z’s posts. Not today or ever.
You only support one side of your comment. The other part, “…this high school level writing work.” is conveniently overlooked—and certainly unnecessary to state your disagreement. Hence the (deserved) retort. I’ve sensed this in other comments of yours. Z-man, more than his opinion/ideas, seems attacked. I simply stated the appropriate name for this fallacious style of argumentation. Z-man can certainly take care of himself in these matters, and perhaps should wrt some commenters who have become little more than disruptive trolls. Yesterday’s commentary and today’s seem to be showing that Z-man is not always supported in his opinion and is… Read more »
It’s absurd to say I have an obligation to support multiple sides of my argument. What you’ve labelled as “ad hom” shows your misunderstanding of debate and logic…I did not say what he said was untrue because of how it’s written. I pointed out its rhetorical purpose and then implied, imho, that he reasons like a high schooler. This makes what I said just a mean thing to say, not a fallacy. I’ll admit I’m having a shitty few months and feeling very jaded with everyone around me. People suck in clown world, especially if you want to get anything… Read more »
Son, we’re going to end up with a technocracy anyways, so let’s try to slant the wave at least in a less anti-white direction, ok?
I can’t tell if you’re joking but that’s what I think Z is here to do along with the alt-right, gin up support for this. Slide us slowly toward accepting a technocratic police state. As a real longtime dissident, I’m not saying I’m against it, although I’m skeptical we don’t have other choices. Still every conservative I knew turned on us during precious covid time because we wouldn’t mask. The technocrats did too though. So did the libs. I see no indication there are any friends on any sides, so what’s a religious guy with a family supposed to do?… Read more »
My parish was pretty well attended on Sunday, for the “Feast of the Dormition.” The trouble with Orthodoxy, especially in an ethnic parish, is the liturgy and the ritual. It doesn’t connect with me that much, but that’s who I am.. Protestants do a better job teaching and explaining, making the service more interesting.
I’m curious if your definition of “more interesting” involves smoke machines and Christian rock?
Nope. Just a regular old minister teaching the gospel. The liturgical ritual does nothing for me, but Orthodox is who I am and who I always will be.
Lol I’d wager, even today, most Protestants either don’t attend a megachurch, or, like me, are so Protestant they don’t attend at all.
(Not that that’s a good thing, but it beats rainbow flags. Probably a big part of why Protestantism is apparently collapsing— it’s becoming invisible, especially behind the circus. But I’d also wager it isn’t ackshully going away.)
I agree with Tempo. I admire the beauty of Orthodoxy, but it’s a religion for a different time. It’s seriously stuck in the past, but some people like that, and God bless them. But I do like to hear pastors connecting scripture with modern issues. Some Orthodox priests try and do that, but clearly their training is: keep it 2,000 years old.
Yep. What I admire about Orthodoxy is that they don’t get into hot button political issues that much, except maybe in a patriotic way when it comes to the motherland. Probably not as noticeable in the old country, but very noticeable here when you compare it to other denominations. Orthodoxy is not like some Catholic parishes in the past where you would walk in and you’d see a bunch of peace banners and all the abortion politicking. They just stick to the word of God. That’s great and I appreciate it, but for me it’s an hour and a half… Read more »
I will add that I don’t really care about the religious gobbledygook that much. To me, Orthodoxy is about the lifestyle. It becomes internalized. It’s almost a way of life. I don’t know how much the church has to do with that except as maybe a backdrop or a foundation for all that, but that’s what I like most about it. They are just certain things you do and certain ways you act and it seems to carry through to the younger generations as well. At church you gather with a bunch of like-minded people who tend to be of… Read more »
There are no modern issues, Marko.
Trying to keep up is one of the things that made Christianity irrelevant from the mid 20th century onward. One cannot be topical without being captured by it. Not a single Western denomination has survived the 20th century, though some individual churches have.
For all the criticism of Evangelicals and their Christian rock (and rap) and all the empty feel-goods, they are doing exactly that, destroying themselves by getting with the times.
If you want to reach people where they are, you’re not a religion, you’re a social club.
You’re not supposed to “connect” with it. The Catholic Church only did mass in Latin until fairly recently. Until fairly recently and for many centuries, Catholics went to mass and didn’t understand a word of it.
Bill Buckley lamented the introduction of the vernacular Mass because he felt that the inaccessibility of Latin to most parishoners forced them to focus on the mystery of the liturgy. I’m not sure I buy that but it’s an interesting theory and certainly church attendance post Vatican II doesn’t offer a good counter argument.
Latin was not the language of J.C. and His disciples.
Latin was the tongue of the Imperial overlords in that era.
Not true, We have our Missals. Latin on one side, the local speak on the other.
When there wasn’t a Missal, Catholics knew what the mass was about.
I’ve only been to mass three times, a wedding, a funeral and once I was invited to experience a Latin Mass. The congregants are observers, watching the priest’s back most of the time. The priest is addressing Jesus, not worshiping the crowd. Even the homily had the priest facing the “wrong” way, which, I was told later, was to avoid the possibility of anyone getting the impression the message was directed at anyone in particular.
Jesus is the point. I can get behind that. At least the idea of it.
Of course not, but I don’t think mindless chanting alone works today. The mindless chanting part of it is okay if you give it some meat.
Oh, it works better today than it probably ever has in the past. People are suckers for magnificent edifices and meaningless words and God-like reverb. Why do you think political events attract so many zealots?
“ Catholics went to mass and didn’t understand a word of it.”
Why is that supposed to be a good thing?
I would think to connect to the mystery through images, gestures and sounds and not be sidelined by rhetoric.
It’s not western, even the name says so.
So. Our civilizational realm didn’t used to be called ‘The West’ it used to be called ‘Christendom’. The label does not matter nearly so much as what is being labeled.
I imagine ‘Christendom’ came into use because, by that time, it’s all the people had in common. If things hadn’t come apart, we’d probably be calling ourselves Romans, instead of Christians, or Westerners.
The flat, frozen religion
“ This version of Christianity maintains its masculine virility by excluding the feminine in its priestly hierarchy, yet allowing its priests to marry (or chase skirts). It also embraces nationalism …”
So does the Southern Baptist Convention.
Judeo-Puritanism is a state of mind, not a religion. There is no “there” there. It can’t even maintain the civilization of which it is a part. Without an historical/cultural/ethnic foundation, “religion” becomes rootless and emotional. Put yourself in the mind of someone like John Brown. That is your true believer Baptist (or any other of its numerous Calvinist offshoots).
Starting a new religion is a little above all of our paygrades. In the end we get a cult of some type anyways. Rebuild what’s already here, how I don’t have a clue. Eastern or traditional latin mass for a start.
face it though, without extreme hardship there will be very few takers. That said, hardship is coming.
Eastern liturgy and lifestyle with Protestant teaching.
Go to any Catholic parish with the Traditional Latin Mass, whether approved by the bishop or not, and you will see a packed church with large families, screaming babies, and the women in dresses wearing head coverings.
Not in Europe you won’t.
Some little upset y’all had at the “Dieversity Fest” in Solingen, huh?
No, it’s becoming a norm no thanks to the powers in charge. My point is generally speaking, European churches are becoming museums. Maybe not so much in Catholic regions, but in northern Europe (Germany) I can assure you most churches are empty on Sunday but for a few of the older faithful.
Yes, you will.
Go to a SSPX chapel and take a look.
I can attest to this as well.
with a young Gregorian choir and altar servers actually doing something.
What, you mean some budding troubadour with his acoustic guitar, straining to sing Leonard Cohen’s “Hallelujah” isn’t your cup of tea?
Get on my level, I already saw things that not only offend the taste, but obliterate it altogether.
https://youtu.be/voUF-_oPZh4
That’s funny as heck! Had the priest kept out of it, maybe it would work in some congregations, but he’s just making a mockery of the church.
Kind of like officers don’t mix with the enlisted.
One thing I’ve noticed in the Catholic Church is despite having an anti-pope Bergoglio ruling from Vatican City, there is a rebellion starting to materialize at the parish level. Bergoglio (I refuse to call him Francis or pope) has tried to eliminate the Latin Rite for Mass, which I think he knows brings people to Christ. Since he is, to paraphrase St. Paul, working for his father the Devil, he loathes it with demonic hatred. Some parishes have decided to go against the so-called pontiff’s decree and continue with the old, pre-Vatican II rite. I love the Latin Mass. It… Read more »
“Happy-clappy, rock-band Jesus bullshit that is heavily feminized won’t get it done.” I don’t know about that. I think that’s just the fuddy-duddy in most of us. I doubt David performed the Psalms as funeral dirges (except for the ones that basically are, of course) or as Gregorian chants. Like all human organizations, I think the church ended up taking itself too seriously. Now I get the sense of awe that the edifice and the Golden Ratio reverb instill, and maybe that’s a key element in some people’s belief. (Who am I kidding? Most peoples’.) I just need more of… Read more »
To this day I retain an open mind about “christian rock.” But I still haven’t heard any that’s worth a squirt of piss. I’ve got nothing against wailing guitars, the problem is that those I’ve heard in religious settings have invariably been second rate. And Neil Young is bad enough on his own without somebody trying to emulate him from the pulpit.
Yeah, electric guitars are pretty tough to make sound appropriate, but I’m sure people thought the same when Silent Night made its debut accompanied on an acoustic.
Maybe I’m an old fuddy-duddy, but it’s hard for me to get behind any of the Christian Rock. It just doesn’t get me in a worshipful attitude. There is some much more mellow stuff that works, though.
The only good Christian rock is music that is rock first and Christian second. Examples: “Jesus Just Left Chicago” by ZZ Top, “Jesus Is Just Alright” by the Doobie Brothers, “Spirit in the Sky” by (((Norman Greenbaum))), and “Put Your Hand in the Hand” by Ocean.
The best Christian rock is the music that doesn’t know it is Christian rock – like U2’s “Still Haven’t Found What I’m Looking for” or whatever the title is. Half the time, the artist doesn’t even know he is making Christian music and/or doesn’t intend to, the theme just comes through. Same with film. It’s like almost by accident (or byproduct). Or you could even say “co-opted” by the listener.
The Church needs a secular power that will crush liberalism and seek alliance with the Church to legitimize the new order on moral grounds. Some places still have a potential, others might as well form a new cult or adopt some form of Islam.
Franco 2.0
Quite. The mainstream Catholic news magazines don’t seem to know how to approach the growing phenomenon of firebrand young traditionalist priests who basically have no use for the current crop of bishops and their left-liberal pieties.
Am acquainted with our local priest (not a believer, but I occasionally go to events at the Catholic church), and that describes him to a T. Firebrand of the old stripe, who holds a Latin mass. And he came late to it, already married and had four kids when he came to the priesthood.
Bergoglio was a “red diaper baby” — his parents were communists, he was raised as a communist, he still believes in that, not in the Church. I’m not even a believer and I consider him an infiltrator from the enemy (be that the socialist left or the antichrist) whose goal is to tear down this pillar of Western civilization.
If you don’t have a State religion (which many of the original colonies did), another group is going to come along and make you adopt their State religion…and they won’t be nice about it…Currently that looks like Islam, which is on the ascendancy in the West…
Judaism could have been a candidate, but they don’t want the Goyim horning in on the Chosen People racket….
Just when we thought Christianity was irrelevant to modern man, here come the Jews proving everything bad said about them in the Bible is accurate.
as long as Jews are around, Christianity will remain relevant as the only antidote to the Jew lust for death and darkness
There’s the rub: perennial enemies. I’d rather separate and normalize relations on something other than theological grounds. I mean, I’m not a Jew and I don’t want him living in my soul. I’d hope he wouldn’t want that, either.
Yes that is the rub
If the Jew goes bye bye there is much less pertinence for Christianity
If that is the price of being free of the Jew, is it worth it?
But also maybe not, because people like me who lean spiritual will always find something meaningful in Christianity, and in fact I’d enjoy my religion much more if I didn’t ever have to even think about the Jews and their shitty ways
Right. You cannot engineer a religion, the way you engineer a bridge. This is the problem of intellectual people and the root of all our problems. The progressive managerial elite think they can create a design on paper and then, the world will work that way. We have seen how this works. The Law of Unintended Consequences and the gods of the Copybook headings make the implementation a living mess. Religions work like markets. A prophet (Smith, Mohammed) or a scholar (Luther) arises and people follow him or don’t. For each million prophets, only a handful are successful and it… Read more »
An examination of failed religions would likely be more valuable to us than looking to the established demoninations for inspiration.
In its social role, the Church has supported fidelity, fecundity, and solidarity, all necessary for a healthy society and all loathed by our current elite. Too many Christians think they can live double lives, going along with the modern liberal ideology (a suicide cult) while continuing to live a private Christian life. Lie down with dogs and you’ll wake up with fleas.
Trying to discuss religions as pragmatic sociological systems will always miss the point.
Atheism is for dullards anyway.
anyone who can’t at least be mystified and awed by the world around them and how we got here and what we’re doing here and why we’ve been given a soul, they’re never worth listening to anyway.
And you have to be a complete bonehead to totally buy into the concept that this all began with a bang and then consider the case shut and closed.
The chief purveyors of evolution know it’s a load of old boll*cks. The point is not that it’s true – the point is its religious implications: transhumanism and evolution into gods, basically Satanism and rebellion against God.
So the masses continue to parrot debunked Darwinism like COVID vaxx sheep, while the initiates know what it’s really about…
If you are using “atheism” as a synonym for materialism, then the most important of all “dullards” in your life is a sneering, arrogant “bonehead” called Falcone.
You are using “atheism” as a synonym of materialism (and this of the lowest type, presentism).
Ergo,…
No, I am using atheism in the correct sense, a belief that no God exists.
If no God exists then it means things just came into being — for reasons. Anyone who buys into that lacks imagination, curiosity, and brainpower. I.e. is a dullard.
The problem with the Christian claim is that it happens to be true. We are stuck with it being true and can have no tolerance for silly ideas like, “Guys, we need a new religion to help things along.”
I used to think my dad was a bit off because it seemed he went out of his way to make life harder than it needed to be. Looking back however I see it was his Catholic and cultural upbringing where suffering was needed to make and keep a man strong. Like resistance exercises strengthen muscles, having something pushing back on you keeps the soul strong or whatever you want to define it as. Some suffering or hardship in other words keeps a man strong. this concept is anathema to people today. Where people are trained and taught to avoid… Read more »
“Which is why money was seen as the root of all, evil.”
The passage is, “The love of money is the root of all evil.” It’s not the money itself, but forming money into some kind of god, and putting that before Him.
The church quite hypocritically did not scorn money. Look around the Vatican, or, hell, any Catholic cathedral.
The Mormon reference reminded me of one of my favorite spaghetti westerns, They Call Me Trinity, and that calls to mind what the Major said of the Mormon encampment — “quite a lucrative poverty.”
I get all that, but the Church teaching was that life was about suffering.
And I think the Church took the idea of money being the root of all evil a step further and emphasized the idea of a leisurely life without worry or stress as un-Godly. And it is, and it is also anti-life because life requires ebb and flow.
The Vatican hovered up all of the money for very good reasons, not because it was enamored with riches.
But His message was not primarily about suffering. The truth is somewhere between that and the “Prosperity Gospel” — “I come that they might have life, and they might have it more abundantly.” “He maketh me to lie down in green pastures, He restoreth my soul.” Etc.
If the Vatican hoovered up money for good reasons, what did they do with it? Why spend it on gilding every room of the Vatican instead of good works? Why is it that there are fantastic cathedrals in their names, but He didn’t even fund raise to repair the ceiling in the temple?
The church has done tons of work for the needy and so on throughout its history. I don’t get where you are coming from on this particular topic. You seem to see the gold plated cathedral ceilings but never the orphanage or food bank or hospital.
There is a new religion. It’s called Christianity and is found in the Holy Roman Church dictated by Christ on the cross who rose from the dead. How do you kill someone who defeated death itself?
Perhaps if we stop obsessing over decline and actually learned about this faith, attended the masses full of young families, understood the church doctors and the sacraments we’d have a better picture.
Oh and another thing. You dont get into heaven automatically, no matter what. You got to earn it.
So what you’re saying is that the soul of every aborted embryo, every aborted fetus, and every deceased infant is doomed to “Hell”?
No. He has not said that (and Catholic Church does not teach that). Putting words in the mouth of other people is a dishonest tactic called “the strawman fallacy”. It usually starts with “So what you’re saying is…” followed by something the other person has said.
followed by something the other person has NOT said
If you like, I’ll retract the premise that Jesus wasn’t infected or tainted with OOS. This would be a very strange situation though, don’t you think? It means that the allegedly perfect god made a human, Jesus of Nazareth, with the deadly taint even though the god’s alleged omnipotence implies it didn’t have to. (Is there an immutable law of existence which requires OOS?) Recall that the god, supposedly a trinity, unified itself with the human in a condition called a hypostatic union. So the allegedly perfect god became one with sin and, as such, was no longer quite so… Read more »
“If you like, I’ll retract the premise that Jesus wasn’t infected or tainted with OOS” ad infinitum, or at least what seems like it.
That’s what I meant earlier. This has absolutely nothing to do with what was said. One gets to the end of your drivel and finds himself stupider than when he started.
Look at me. Try to understand. A reply is supposed to be at least tangentially related to the topic. A new topic, like your objection to the hypostatic union hypothesis, should be exactly that, a new topic.
(and Catholic Church does not teach that) That’s an expedient omission from the “deposit”. There’s no salvation outside the Church, say traditionalist shamans, but no embryo, fetus, or babbling infant ever believed in the so-called savior. An awkward conclusion entailed by these premises is so obvious that you need to be a conniver, an imbecile, a young child, a babe, a fetus, or an embryo to remain ignorant of it. Now, Jesus is supposed to be fully human, and we can presume that fully human Jesus didn’t need any “plan” of salvation to be cured of “original sin”, for he… Read more »
No. He has not said that (and Catholic Church does not teach that).
Now you are being a liar and a deceiver.
Limbo has been established doctrine for centuries until the papists recently got embarrassed by it.
Oh for fux sake, no 6th grade “theology” arguments, please.
As if the Creator of the universe is the ultimate simpleton and doesn’t do “nuance” and dooms every aborted fetus to hell
give me a break
But Christianity got us here, because it is the carrier of the Jewish virus.
Christians, you were the Horse they rode to the One World under Satan’s dominion, and you don’t know how to fix that.
Make all Africa Christian, maybe, that our daughters might marry them? The road to Hell really was paved with the best intentions.
No, what got us here was the hollow cost and the federal reserve. That is, giuwish infiltration of western institutions. The US gov’t was the horse they rode in on (Wilson, FDR and Truman in particular).
The problem with Mormonism is that it is absurd. Joseph Smith was a charlatan, and if someone arose today making the claims he did almost two centuries ago, I doubt he would get much traction. Starting a new religion is easy, but getting large numbers of people to actually believe it is difficult, especially at a time when it is much easier to verify or discredit claims made by would-be prophets. Ideally, you want people to believe a new religion so fully that they are willing to die for it…but I doubt there are even many Christians today who would… Read more »
Too bad the mob that got the Smith brothers didn’t manage to lynch Brigham Young. These people are Judeo-Puritans on steroids.
“Judeo-Puritans” – A Mormon once told me that his observation has been that Mormons excel at commerce, so you may have a point there.
Scientology says hello.
Have you spoken with many Scientologists, Z? It’s like talking to Owen Benj’s bears. Half don’t believe it but are merely sad people and want friends. The other half know it’s a grift for power, money, or both.
My uncle went Scientology. But this was only because he fell in love with a married woman who was part of it and who’d told him she would be divorcing her husband for him. But it was taking time. And he would have to prove himself. And proving himself meant giving the church $50,000 he was waiting on from a movie deal and when $50,000 meant something. I was there living with him when she came through the apartment gate with a man in a black suit, and me and my friends were watching from the pool, but I did… Read more »
The things a man’ll do for a nice piece of ass…
I actually thought of Scientology when writing my post, but there are two crucial differences between Scientology and Mormonism. First, Mormonism has approximately 17 million followers worldwide today. The last time I checked, I think there were only about 50,000 Scientologists left. Scientology got a lot of press about 20 years ago, but it never got close to having the same level of power and influence as Mormonism. That brings me to my second point, which is that a new religious movement needs to be able to survive more than a generation in order to have a chance at becoming… Read more »
I do not disagree about Scientology, but it is a proof of concept. That concept being that a small, dedicated group of believers can exert extraordinary influence. One of the things that would be necessary for a new religion that addresses the suffering of this age is that it would have to abandon the universalist priors of Christianity.
Scientology is the mechanism of the ancient Mystery Religions stripped of all references to the supernatural. Hubbard was a Satanic occultist, utterly amoral and predatory.
The methods used to grow Scientology had nothing to do with proselytizing or persuasion.
The proof part may be accurate, but I believe you’ve gotten ahold of the wrong concept.
a small, dedicated group of believers can exert extraordinary influence.
Like 12 guys from Jerusalem?
I hate to say it but all religions are absurd, and probably man-made. I have been reading Alan Watts lately and his views resonate with me. I think all religions have a poor grasp of the Divine, but we Humans can only partially understand something that is way beyond our comprehension. From Animists to Scientologists, we are believing creatures for a reason, but how we get there is in a fumbling, human way until we die and then we’ll know.
Go ahead and call me a Deist or a Unitarian Universalist.
I think I might be able to stomach being a Unitarian Universalist if it weren’t for the kind of folks you have to rub shoulders with
I would totally try UU if it wasn’t full of spiteful mutants. What a shame…
When the elder Bush was getting ready to make Kuwait safe for Exxon, and rescue all of those babies from the cold concrete floor, a customer of mine who was a UU minister told me his flock was traveling by bus to DC for a big march. I decided to go with them. It was a worthy cause, so I’m glad I went. However, spending several hours on the bus down and back with that bunch of smarmy, self righteous creeps was quite the eye opener.
That’s what I look at. I never liked the kind of people that shop for a religion like they are shopping for new car anyway. Orthodoxy is good enough for me.
That’s not a coincidence, you know.
Unitarianism isn’t a religion, it’s a subscription for generic clerical services in case someone needs to be married or buried. There aren’t any beliefs or observances required. It’s grace on the cheap, basically promising something for nothing, which is why it attracts so many liberals. It’s pretty much a spiritual welfare program.
Watching a recent true life disasters tv program, in almost every instance, the folks in the scenario desperately entreated some form of deity to intercede and save them, and in almost every case, they were convinced beyond doubt that this is why they survived, and this was among peoples who apparently practiced no religion. Perhaps there is a subconscious need to believe in a higher power?
I think religions evolve to become absurd. Of those that weren’t intended as jokes in the first place, early Middle Age Catholicism is the only outlier that comes to mind.
Lots of religions had an equivalent of Persephone. And when planetary motion was unknown, it was as good an explanation for seasons as any. The Catholics established colleges to study this new thing, “science”, and threw a fair bit of coin that way, and incorporated it into their doctrines and dogma as well as they could.
As pointed out in the essay, modern religion effeminized and primitivised, and became absurd.
Had the Catholics kept reincarnation, they could’ve been Sikhs.
My mother was completely beside herself when I used to say that all religions to me are basically the same. It’s like I had committed the worst blasphemy. But, at the end of the day, they are. My cousin had a pretty good way of looking at things. He calls them all franchises. Burger King, Wendy’s, McDonald’s. Basically all religions are all trying to find a way to describe how we all fit into the grand scheme of things. I think there’s something to it, even if nobody can possibly nail down the specifics. I mean, somebody had to create… Read more »
I guess in some sense, just like all plants are basically the same on some level. Yet some are nutritious, some are poisonous.
Religion is absurd only off you think life and/or man is absurd, and many do. They are called absurdists ha ha I don’t see how anyone could, after they have actually sat and thought about things, of what it took to make the world around us, knowing we men can make nothing remotely comparable, that one doesn’t at least entertain the idea that it could have been made by someone. Whatever it was, whatever entity or force made this place, it towers over us in terms of its supremacy. It makes us and takes us, so that right there is… Read more »
Social status and advancement must be awarded to those who believe in the tall tale. The opposite is true today. People would believe Jesus lives in their basement if the television and social media told them it was true a few thousand times. We just went through the Covid Op and saw how simple people are motivated by simple means to do terrible things. Remonstrating with them — as so many continue to do — is pointless unless you are pointing out to them that they are being left behind the crowd, in which case, they will listen. It’s not… Read more »
How about again becoming the mob that lynched Joseph Smith in Carthage Missouri?
That Christianity was present not so long ago. I think it’s still possible to go back to our roots without creating some new branch.
For Catholics get rid of the communist Pope and for Protestants forbid women to lead their congregations.
Then have those babies!
We will have christians excommunicating and banning the LGBTQ weirdos in no time at all.
That’s my two cents.
Catholics would have to restart the Holy Inquisition, execute/imprison most of the German Episcopate and probably purge the Americas altogether. Then send off all homosexuals to the hermit monasteries.
I’m listening….
Sounds a good start…
“Then send off all homosexuals to the hermit monasteries.”
You hooked me entirely here…
The greatest warriors of the 19th century, Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson, were devout Christians.
Yes, and in my own old parish Trinity, Austin (and in the “National Cathedral “, St. Paul’s, Richmond and no doubt many Episcopal churches across the South) stained glass windows of Robert E. Lee or Stonewall Jackson at prayer were removed to expiate sin. Just one relatively small symptom of feminization of the Episcopal Church
I don’t know that I disagree. Political/war figures have no business in church in the first place. You’re there to get away from all that. You don’t need iconography of Robert E Lee.
Lee, specifically, maybe not. Doubt I’d attend anyway, having no idea what an Episcopalian thinks.
I’d have the quibble with putting it up in the first place, though. Shitlibs will never be happy no matter how much ground you concede, so you might as well hold fast.
Generally, Episcopalians have no idea what Episcopalians think. I get a chuckle when Tucker Carlson makes a tempered familial poke at the denomination in a way that only a son of the church can. Some of us are big boys and can love/appreciate/mourn it and chide it at as well.
Oh, I understand that part of it about ceding ground. I just don’t think someone from the secular political world belongs there.
I see your point. The particular stained glass windows I’m referring to were small panels in the narthex and showed Robert E Lee kneeling in prayer with a Bible in his hand or at his side. As I recall in the church in Austin it was below and distinct from a window portraying our Lord or one of the Apostles. Not at all of the order of an icon in the Orthodox sense or even a sacred image in the Western sense, but more of a war memorial or perhaps like an image of MLK or Cesar Chavez one could… Read more »
I understand that and I can be sympathetic to it, not to mention that it was probably more meaningful at the time somebody decided to commemorate Lee. Now in our parish, we used to have things that celebrate important patriotic leaders of the mother land. But the difference is, they had these things in the social hall, not in the church itself. No politics in the church! 😂
Good essay… speaking of the English, and the need to sacrifice for their people, what we’re seeing there is the precursor to what will soon be here. This is all easier said than done. We all know what’s required to “fix” things. There is only one way. Doing that will mean sacrificing all you have, up to and including one’s life and the lives of your wife and children. Who here is willing to do that? I listen to Mike Farris a lot and enjoy his podcasts, especially lately with the DR folks he has had on. But one of… Read more »
If there was a meaningful sacrifice that could be made I believe I would have already made it. But with the means available to us, there’s no one target to eliminate that can produce any beneficial result. They’ll just promote another one. That’s the problem.
Yep. Thoreau’s thousand hacking at the branches does nothing meaningful.
All you can really do to improve society is, as Nock(?) said, provide it with one improved unit. Yourself.
Maybe there will be something more once out of that awkward stage, but I doubt it. Until the very end, Satan can always send more.
“I listen to Mike Farris a lot and enjoy his podcasts”
Link to those podcasts? I searched for his podcast and didn’t find much.
it’s called Coffee and a Mike. Recently he’s had ZMan, Jared Taylor, Pete Quinones and Dark Enlightenment. All people one should be paying attention to IMHO. Be warned, he has a lot of retards on there too, but that’s to be expected. Mike is mostly a normie who is moving further and further to our side of the great divide.
Pete Q once referenced that one of his more mainstream focused pods he has been a guest on telling him “Its my job to get them moving more in [your] direction” and its very easy if you have seen a few episodes to believe Mike F. sees himself that way.
The great Boer captains like De La Rey were also Christians. Charles Martel, Joan of Arc, the Crusaders…our history is full of mighty Christians and paragons of chivalry. Jesus Christ provides the ultimate example of self-sacrifice and leadership. We don’t need a new religion.
Jesus Christ’s style of leadership is literally the opposite of what is presently needed.
Need to remember that the Christ’s mission was specific to Him. While self-sacrifice for the true good of others is the ultimate example of leadership, that may be manifest in different ways by different people at different times. Hence, saints range from hermits to martyrs to warriors.
Mormonism is looking more like a flash in the pan. If you want an example of strength and staying power, look at Islam. Maybe in another 600 years it will be as declined as Christianity is, since it got that much later of a start, who knows. But that doesn’t appear to be happening anytime soon. It looks to me like the top candidate to be the west’s new religion.
It may become the new religion in the West, but it can never be the West’s religion. The “West” will simply cease to exist.
Islam is a man’s religion. Maybe a dumb man’s religion, but it appeals to sexual weirdos, blowhards and status chasers. I wouldn’t be surprised if Nick F converts in his thirties. Your average imam is terrifying but your average priest or pastor would happily extend his neck for the sword of Islam. This is no small thing.
I’m hoping that the Russians save Christianity as Orthodoxy is the only sect left that still has some meat on its bones. Perhaps Latin Catholicism, but do we want to turn the clock back just to postpone Christianity’s demise?
Islam is a stagnant religion. Any time Islamic peoples try to move forward, the strictures of the religion which forbids any cultural or spiritiual innovation drags the peoples back to fundamentalism and stagnation. e.g. Turkey and Iran.
A sick death cult that forbids normal relations between the sexes and encourages inbreeding (most Musloid marriages are first cousin) that spreads genetic disease is a man’s religion? Not to mention institutionalized pedophilia? Islam’s Allah is a bloodthirsty maniac who demands fealty, but gives nothing in return. The Koran is the Bible rewritten by the Devil. There is no salvation, no grace. Just obedience or else. I’ve spent plenty of time in Muslim countries to know that I really don’t want that religion anywhere near me. The adherents are lunatics, ticking time bombs ready to kill the infidel at a… Read more »
By their mini-vans and trampolines Ye shall know them… I think you are right about them being a flash-in-the-pan. Mormons were by far the most based large sect in the US up until around 1980, but their hierarchy is making up for lost time by trying to cuck them out with all deliberate speed. The pyramid scheme aspects of Mormonism remain strong but is proving their undoing, along with the mass migration of “gentiles” to the intermountain West. Nevada going from the infamous “one-seed law” to becoming the first (or one of the first) non-West Coast state to decriminalize marijuana… Read more »
I told my wife when she dies, I will find a young Mormon bride and have lots of children. It’s all about the children, you see.
Mormon babes tend to be kinda hot…
The problem is that the West is a materialistic society. Bothe communism and capitalism are materialist philosophies, they simply differ on how to create and distribute material goods. And once people achieve a high level of material well-being, they have the time and luxury of engaging in hedonistic behavior such and drugs and recreational sex. We are basically living in a version of Huxley’s Brave New World, and as the Democrats demonstrate every day, the way you stay in power is to appeal to egalitarianism, give out soma, encourage recreational sex, and materialism. People are not gong to sacrifice anything… Read more »
And sometimes he does…
Once again, XMan hits the mark. I think it’s similar to how criminals will sometimes turn to God and religion when they go to prison for a long time. You now have everything stripped from you – by turning to religion you look to something that transcends yourself and your material possessions.
Again – the institutions are fine. Or, at least… they were, long ago. Our parents inherited the most prosperous, powerful and possibly the most righteous nation on earth. And they – now, we – are running it into the dirt. We don’t have the human capital to build a nation from, and it isn’t the church’s or the faith’s fault. It’s ours. Ours is not a systemic or procedural problem, it’s a people problem. Christianity didn’t fail… we did. As for the most powerful and righteous faith in the history of Man? Welp…you threw that away too. When modernity started… Read more »
Damn, Filthie – when you’re at your worst, you’re at your best. Your comment is right on. Indeed, it is our own fault we are where we’re at. The relentless pursuit of comfort and convenience is leading to our inevitable racial extinction unless we right this ship post haste. We invited the hangman into our homes and bought the rope for him. Unfortunately, as I’ve said before, it will only get worse so long as we all have a warm house, a cold fridge, and a hot spot. Something has to wake us up… and soon.
There’s nothing that ails us that wouldn’t be curable if they hadn’t perpetrated the GR on us by deception and stealth. The American people (the decent ones anyway, who I’d rate as maybe 1/3 of what’s left) really were taken advantage of by forces beyond their control, their government commandeered by people who wished them ill, and did them ill through subterfuge. By the time anybody realized what had really happened, it was too late.
This post gets to the core issue with Christianity, that whoever gets to write the bible controls the religion. The current year version of Christianity conveniently (for the regime) identifies Judaism as a friendly brother religion or proto-Christianity and that Jews, Christians, and Muslims all worship the same God. Of course the varying pre and post Christ behavior of God can only be reconciled assuming an omnipotent being suffers from millenia long bouts of bipolar disorder. But the important thing to the regime is that not only does it create an entry point for Jews ruling as a hostile ethnic… Read more »
Mormonism offers community plus material and spiritual support. Mormons like to do business with Mormons and do so whenever possible. They are like the Jews in this. I worked for an Orthox Jewish company and every vendor was Orthodox Jewish. No money leaves the community if it can be helped. I’d say it is remarkably effective for both Jews and Mormons. Christians are mostly not like this, at least Catholics. Whenever I need some service or product, I look in my parish bulletin for an ad and try to hire or buy from that person. I recommend this to other… Read more »
We have everything we need embedded in our most ancient myths and our Indo-European pantheon. Our All Father is Dyeus Pater – a.k.a. Zeus; Jupiter; Odin. What we must do and who we are is encoded in what Jupiter/Zeus/Odin did in response to a tyrannical, parasitic, free-riding father cannibalizing his sons – his own creation. (Odin did this in conjunction with two of his brothers). The re-founding of this is both scientific and mythical. DNA and anthropology tell us that we are all the same people. We ultimately share the same tongue, the same blood and the same soul through… Read more »
Now yer talkin’, baby!
Some want dry natural science only in the schools.
Some want Bibles primarily in the schools.
Some want Pride. They should be exiled to Devil’s Island.
What about a good old copy of Hamilton’s “Greek Mythology”?
It worked for the Renaissance, and they made some beautiful stuff.
Greco-Roman seemed to have no problem with Christian in the motherlands. Maybe taking that out is what took the piss out of Christianity.
The mention of Mormonism is insightful here. I’m certainly no Mormon. But there are certain aspects of Mormonism that I respect. Utah and surrounding areas are the only region in the U.S. that still has a 1980’s like economy built around small to medium sized businesses. Many of these businesses are family owned. The rest of the U.S. has succumbed to major chains and brands. The Mormons have a strong work ethic, have positive regard for productive enterprise, as well as having a DIY mentality. This makes them like the Episcopalians in this manner. This is very much the opposite… Read more »
You’re on to something about the family business being one of the bonds that holds everybody together. It’s like having a family farm. Everybody pitches in and stays involved with each other. The corporate life leads to separate and compartmentalized lives, especially if you or somebody who moves halfway across the country.
I’ve always believed that an economy based mostly on small to medium sized businesses is essential for family formation. Not only are many of these businesses family owned, but small to medium sized businesses often provide an environment where one can be a system sales guy or an engineer where you can work at the same place for, say, 20 years and not have to constantly buck for promotion to avoid being laid off (e.g. “up or out” HR policy). This is the kind of stability necessary for people to feel comfortable with having families.
I was tracking right up until Baptists. I’m not a Baptist, (heck, according to a lot, I’m not even Christian, which is fine by me — narrow gate and all that) but Baptists are thick on the ground in this part of Indiana. The ones around here out-Mormon the Mormons in terms of can-do spirit and family/community connections. Heck, they out-Amish the Amish. The only gunsmiths in the area worth going to are Baptists. My big complaint about them socially is that they are way too friendly for an introvert like me. No eye contact should ever be made in… Read more »
Hear hear, I personally am very fond of the Latter Day Saints. A very strong, positive culture with good results. And you’re right, they enjoy the family thing.
If you know them by their fruits, then the Mormons stack up pretty well. The Romneys notwithstanding. Of course it’s arguable that what they hath wrought in Utah is just what happens when you have a bunch of white people living someplace without any dieversity, and is not actually a result of the religion.
Your’s is a good point
Commenting on the articles of August 27 and 28, 2024.
Let’s not forget that the Kingdom of God that Jesus restored to earth at his first coming is not a democracy. He does not ask our opinion. On the top of that, God is sovereign on all things. Take your cross and follow me is daunting, challenging and utterly masculine. Any decay or weakness in Christianity is the work of the adversary. All shall be well. The Lord tares for a reason. Our job is to trust and obey.
“God” as you define it could never be sovereign on the topic of whether or not the god exists. According to your theologians, it exists necessarily. Their words imply that there is some law of existence which is beyond the control of all willpower. Grasping egoism (Exodus 3:14) is strictly limited. According to your experts, no god or other being is in charge of existence, which is pretty much what we are told is a teaching of all the Buddhas, too.
You just don’t get it, do you?
After the Covidiocy, what makes you think anyone believes anonymous sources anymore?
I summarized conventional theologian drivel as it is. So, got a relevant rebuttal? No?
That’s what I thought.
Your silly comment had absolutely nothing to do with @Peter’s post, as is your modus operandi. I trust your summaries as much as I trust the ravings of any other rando on the intarwebs.
Want to be taken seriously? Start posting as if you do.
Why, much better, Shooter, thanks. Concepts such as the One God, which necessitates a First Mover, which demands everything-all-at-once for Creation…all of it to “prove” that we should ultimately kneel to a Jewish God, is some of the most dangerous thought of all.
We are blinded by it, yet need its thrusting power to contend.
You have no idea what you are talking about, do you?
Summa Theologica is not an easy read, because it was trying to be brief over so many questions, so you have to do a lot of thinking, but most of Ride’s argument has been out of date to any literate person for at least 800 years.
“All shall be well. The Lord tares for a reason. Our job is to trust and obey.”
This is exactly the sort of attitude that sees you sleepwalk straight into the grave.
Fair point. However, the opposite approach, sowing demoralization and despair, may be even more pernicious. If you don’t have hope, you don’t have anything.
Destroying the family was key to everything. Because a man with a wife and family knows his role and purpose. He doesn’t even have to think about it. That little bird chirping away in the other room, she’s my reason for existence, and my job is to support her. Those kids, they need food. Not very complicated. I was having some doubts recently, and then I heard my wife saying something from inside the house, and I remembered “Oh yeah, I do what I do for her. Quit thinking so much, all you do is dig yourself a hole.” And… Read more »
After seeing the reaction to Trump, can you just imagine the reaction any type of successful new religion would get from the Regime? I think any successful new religions here will be hermetic/separatist movements like the Amish.
To fully succeed, separation will eventually require some martyrs, which the Regime will be only too happy to supply.
Tell me you were educated by Jesuits without telling me you were educated by Jesuits.
The important thing about this additive process is that Smith was recentering the moral authority of Christians between the God of the Old Testament and the God of Jesus and the New Testament. The Hebrew God is masculine, cruel, and often terrifying, while the God of Jesus is infinitely merciful and benevolent. God of the Old Testament is a warrior who loves the smell of burning flesh. The God of the New Testament is a loving mother who always forgives you, no matter what. This is a caricature of Christianity as spouted by Jewish entertainers. If someone were to actually… Read more »
Think about it – God didn’t destroy the Jews despite them doing their typical Jew things. That’s pretty merciful.
Also, the staple Jewish comedian stereotypes about whining, complaining Jews are all right there back in Exodus. You really have to feel for Moses…
“This is a caricature of Christianity as spouted by Jewish entertainers.”
It is also what was preached by Marcion of Sinope. It crops up from time to time through history, and has a prominent place in the modern denominations. That’s why it caters to the most absurd policies like importing primitives and worshiping trannies.
That’s what I keep trying to point out- they learned from us, not we from them. The good stuff, that is, like negroes trying to figure out what is so messed up in their society.
This discussion makes me think that we’re pretty much in the hands of fate. A new religion can’t be forced to “take” through careful planning and good execution. Same with reinventing an aristocracy or changing cultural attitudes en masse. Nobody can really achieve that through human effort alone. Will our best instincts flower again with the coming of some unforseen change? Who can say.
“Low birth rates, declining life spans, rampant discrimination against people of European heritage, drug and alcohol abuse.”
Declining life spans and exceptionally high junkie rates are particular to American whites and not Europeans. Also, strange for an American to use Europe as the example of being dispossessed in your own country;American whites are a minority.
True on all accounts. Addiction and diminished life expectancy reflect a population under siege. Demographics in the United States are far worse than Western Europe. It is a legitimate fear that the British Isles will be swamped due to their unique vulnerability, but they also remain in far better shape. I do think, though, the European immigrant invasion is being accelerated so a timely response to the horror unfolding in America cannot be formed. Europe needs to sever as many ties as possible ASAP.
When people perceive their lives to be meaningless, they often turn to risky alternatives..The 18th and 19th century Brits. conquered much of the world in the name of a muscular warlike Christianity..We are now seeing what happens without those beliefs….
Heh,a little baffled myself at that particular flex. Really, indiginous Euros in general seem less bitchy about rolling over and taking it in the butt.
Whites are not a minority in America. Maybe one day, but not now. I have travelled all over Europe and never found a spot without evidence of drug taking, as it needles in the streets and plastic baggies in the gutters.
You must have visited the worst places in Europe. I haven’t seen a junkie, nor a needle for years.
I tend not to stay in the tourist areas, so I see how people actually live. The record flow of drugs into the EU is not because they are throwing them down the drain in order to lower the global supply of illicit drugs. https://www.politico.eu/article/eu-illegal-drug-problem-european-monitoring-centre-addiction-health-care/
I am not talking about tourist areas. I actually live in the EU right now. Drugs are mostly a problem of newly shitholized cities of Western Europe. There are plenty of spots where you won’t see any evidence of drugs at all.
Isn’t that true everywhere? The Main Line of Philly is drug free, but Kensington is an open air drug market. Unless you have a reason to see the addicts, you never see it. For me, every trip includes a tour of the local ghetto. I have never been anywhere where there is no ghetto to visit.
OK, but you wrote: “I have travelled all over Europe and never found a spot without evidence of drug taking, as it needles in the streets and plastic baggies in the gutters.” Now, I get that this is a hyperbole (right?), but it really overestimates the problem. There are very few places in Europe (if any at all) that are similar to Kensington, Philadelphia or DTES, Vancouver or even parts of DT Portland or Seattle. I spend about 50% of my time in two Balkan countries and these problems don’t ever show up there. I am not saying that nobody… Read more »
No it’s not true everywhere.
Just like in the States, the worse places are always the big cities where human trash and crime collects.
If you travelled through the Frankfurt main train station then of course you saw it! Same can be said for the Amsterdam, Zurich, Milan, Paris, Barcelona main stations too.
But travel out a few kilometers where the city filth and tourists don’t go and you will see a very different world.
Get off the tour bus and come see Europe, not just the tourist destinations!
You missed my point. In America, as in Europe, there are bad places full of drug friends and criminals and places free of those things. Most people never have a reason to see the bad places. As a connoisseur of ghettos, I have seen the ghettos of Europe up close, so I know they exist.
Well, that’s kind of it, isn’t it? People tell me about how I’m becoming (or are already) a minority, yet I can go weeks without seeing anyone but whites. Go to Indy or Chicago, different story.
Someday some shitlib will probably turn a house to Section 8 and refuse to sell to us to keep it in the community. It’s “inevitable” in your community, too. Enjoy it while it lasts.
Germans frequently joke that everybody has a needle up their arm in Frankfurt.
For Ukraine, just watch хуевая одесса vids on Telegram…
There’s no reason to believe the government about this. Their official numbers have my very average American city at almost 80% white. Based on what I see, I’d say it’s the opposite. I remember when it really was 80%. Everything was different, everywhere, every day. Also, about 80% of the people I encountered were white. Here’s what I know for sure: White people with “customer facing” jobs are always happy to see me. It’s like they’ve been relieved of duty and are just hanging out. Doctors extend my appointments to sit around and bullshit. Normal intra-racial retail rudeness has gone… Read more »
This is especially true of higher IQ white women with regard to birth rates. This is blamed on feminism, which is certainly a factor but white women of higher IQs can certainly see what the prospects for their children in America will be.
That’s what happened!
Greco-Roman mythology was dropped from our school curricula, and Holo mythology was put in its place.
Holy Victim of the Whites mythology became the overriding theme: the Holo, Slabery, the Injuns, Colonialisms, Racisms, Womyn’s Rights, Gay Rights, Trans-Rights, etc etc.
Trad mythology is masculine. Gods, heros, battles, capturing Helen, etc.
White Oppressor mythology is feminine, because women can’t resist a chance to be a victim.
Any religion that inspires whites to save their race must surmount these problems:
The media-induced belief that whites are uniquely evil. Instead, we must feel pride for our people and grateful that we were born white.
Our feelings of duty to expend our resources and compassion on other races. Instead, when we are called racist, we must laugh at the charge and take it as a compliment that we are so committed to our people.
Maybe we already have our new religion, our new priests, and it is mass media
The offer of salvation was never intended as a group mass event which is one reason why we see so many falling away from the Church after these huge revival rallies and conventions. While Christ died to save the world, it’s a personal, one-on-one experience based on the faith of the individual. John 3:16-17 16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world… Read more »
Therein lies the problem. On the one hand, the message of Christ has been contorted to mean that any connection you have to earthly reality is not only meaningless, but dangerous to your soul. On the other hand, all that matters is a life-denying, one-on-one relationship with God through Christ, whose life could never be emulated by man.
If you want a formula for the dissolution of a people, maybe all of mankind, convince them that this life is entirely pointless and all that matters is what comes after death.
Exactly. Oddly enough however, I remember my early Catholic teachings and that subject was touched upon a few times—always negatively. In short, we had the promise—no, blessing—of an “afterlife” to look forward to, but *also* a responsibility to our present existence in this world. Examples; stewardship of the earth for future generations, limitations on grieving and returning to productive earthly pursuits, maintaining good health rather than promoting early death, etc.
A valid point if Christianity is presented this way, and it can be but doesn’t have to be.
That is the key point of the post. It does not have to be. If we are to survive, it means rethinking how we read Scripture and how we turn that into societal practice.
Christ’s message in the Scriptures is crystal clear –
John 3:16
For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
It’s the fundamental core of Christianity. The language and message is there for anyone to understand.
The problem is how we try to “interpret” what He said in an attempt to fit those words into how we want to live our lives, and to our own way of thinking.
We want Christ to fit our way, rather than us accepting His way.
Sounds like we should all kill ourselves and be done with it. Therein lies the problem. One line nullifies the entire rest of Scripture, as there is no point in knowing any of it. All we need to do is believe and wait for death. Maybe if the Catholics had left that line out, none of this would have happened.
We were made to be in fellowship with God, but because He gave us free will, we (Adam and Eve) disobeyed God, turned to sin and thus the fall. . Every family and society has rules and laws which you can choose to obey or not. Obey them and live happily. Disobey them and suffer the consequences. Drive the speed limit, or not. Simple. But because we do live in a sinful word and can no longer stand in the presence of God, Jesus is the mediator and came into our world to provide a means to bridge that gap… Read more »
Christ expands on what believing in Him entails. Hint: it is not to wait around to die.
It’s not meant to be complicated. Just follow the Catholic Church and do your sacraments. Minds much greater than ours have already done the heavy lifting. Just follow their lead and meanwhile live your own life. Leave the endless theorizing for the Protestants 😉
You’ll get no argument from Linus…
Linus? The Linus? What does the nucleus of the atom have to do with this?
Peanuts Christmas Special (1965)
That Linus.
I am not convinced that the Germanized Christianity of Northern Europe and even of Iberia and Italy that was re-Germanized after the fall of Rome was all about the afterlife. It was a fusion of the healthy Germanic Warrior ethos strongly connected to its Indo-European roots. The Greeks did say the Northern Europeans were the most spirited of the European people. It also fused the North with Greco-Roman culture through Latin, and the archived knowledge and culture in the monasteries. In the Mass held daily there were liturgical and spiritual outcroppings. However, there was a huge focus on how to… Read more »
We also forget that until almost early modern times there was a strong syncretic pagan element to Christianity and Christendom which we just don’t think about anymore and which in its day was felt but not necessarily talked about. Some of these more Catholic than Protestant, but still… I’m thinking of Harvest Festivals, Yuletide, roadside shrines, pilgrimages, Carnival, etc… etc.. These pagan holdovers provided much of the societal glue which helped to balance out the universalising aspects of Christianity. You might be the C15 equivalent of a metic in Siena and take communion in the Cathedral with the Sienese… but… Read more »
Something happened with the Ellis Island immigration in America that led to a total deconstruction of American’s understanding of themselves and of Christianity.
Fans of a certain six-pointed star.
The offer of salvation was never intended as a group mass event It’s true that trinitarian Christianities promise salavtion to particles, but they have long preached a general judgement which implies double jeopardy. JUDGMENT, GENERAL. The universal judgment of the human race at the final resurrection of the dead. It is expressed in all the creeds that affirm that Christ now “sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty, from where He shall come to judge the living and the dead,” i.e., the just and the wicked. This will be a social judgment because it will manifest to… Read more »
Show me chapter and verse in God’s word to back your argument and not Religious dogma.
The most inspiring, and right wing, piece of media I ever watched was actually written by a black woman. In the first season of Grey’s Anatomy (yes), there is an episode about a Chinese woman refusing treatment. Her ancient, esoteric religion requires a shaman to bless her. There is no shaman, so she elects to die. Of course, eventually her surgeon makes a bargain with her, three piece suit, thoroughly modern, Father to fly a shaman in on the hospital helicopter. He chants over her hospital bed and the day is saved. It’s the most right wing thing I’ve ever… Read more »
And sing your songs. Yes the individualistic thing is so strong in the white man. That my selfishness is good for the group. It’s weird and almost esoteric. Cause the market is seen like some god. And rights are like little stream and river gods
“You were welcomed into the Kingdom of Heaven just as long as you accepted Christ.” This observation is one that I’ve had for a long time and one that seems to separate me from mainstream Christianity. The fiery converts and preachers I’ve had discussions with seem to dwell upon belief in Christ as the only way and path. That itself is not the issue per se, what is the issue is to dwell on such to the exclusion of “good deeds” and “acts of contrition” and the all present “forgiveness” aspect of such belief in Christ. This has been at… Read more »
Here’s a challenge (not just you, everyone with “ears to hear”) — try to clear your mind of preconceived notions, and read the Gospels. Just the Gospels. However many times it takes to have a firm grasp of Jesus’ message.
Now repeat the exercise, but this time with the Pauline missives.
I think the differences are stark, and why I call modern “Biblical” faiths, “Paulianity.”
Getting smacked upside the head by Christ on your way to Damascus will do that to a fella.
Z says everything becomes feminized over time. That is certainly true of the West, but what about elsewhere? Islam, to the best of my knowledge, remains a masculine religion, and that is one reason it is defeating Christianity, Christians and atheists in their own homelands. In “A Boy Named Sue,” Sue’s dad informs him he gave him that name because it would force him to either get tough or die. Christianity, in theory, will either have to recoup its bygone masculine toughness or it will die. And if Christianity does again become militant, all the diverse and perverse had better… Read more »
I do not think feminization is a universal. I think Christianity introduced a feminizing concept of God. As I noted in the post, the God of the New Testament is a kindler, gentler God than the God of the Old Testament.
Why do you think it took 2,000 years for this feminization to manifest? The Crusaders were following the same New Testament.
My guesses: our media being taken over by a hostile group and affluence, which incentivized us to prioritize current comforts over sacrifices for the long-term good of our group.
Christianity clearly evolved over time. In order to “Christianize” the Germanic people of Europe, they had to incorporate much of the Germanic belief system. St Michael was a direct result of this, for example. The folk religion of the various tribes of Europe eventually became the folk religion of all Europeans and was even contorted to be the national religion of the emerging nation states of Europe.
The trouble is the seeds of universalism and egalitarianism were there, waiting to sprout. These are the feminist traits that have come to dominate the West.
Right. And in a sick kind of way, I hope the theologians who brought us this stupid, anti-Biblical egalitarianism are “enjoying” their afterlife.
What kind of theologian could look at the various parables making the point, “To whom much is given, much will be expected” and think that is at all universal or even egalitarian? I’ll tell you. The kind who would burn people at the stake for letting other people see the words and think for themselves.
Not sure where you get this feminist lean in the New Testament. Christ also defines our attitude to the world. These attitudes cross both genders equally.
Matthew 10:16
“I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.
Feminization is more pronounced in the Marian cults. With God, archbp. Fulton J. Sheen probably said it best that the communists separated the Christ from the Cross and retained the Cross (cult of Labor), while liberalism tossed away the Cross and retained only the message of peace and compassion (cult of Tolerance).
In the end the root always lies with the aqua regia of politics and ideas, the Liberalism.
It is more correct to observe that the Church has been losing bloody wars with the Enlightenment fanatics for five hundred years or so. Why is the Church so feminized? Well, Elizabeth had all the men hanged, drawn, and quartered. The French slaughtered every religious they could find. The Italians reduced – by force of arms – the Holy See to a couple square miles. The Spanish exhumed and displayed the bodies of nuns, and crucified anyone who got in the way. The Mexicans flayed the feet of boys who defied the state. Etc. It’s not Christianity that turned itself… Read more »
“The diverse and perverse” is the militant Christian army of our time. We were defeated in their Great Crusade.
Christianity is what Christians do: make the West’s cities African slums, worship Jews, and rape little boys. The Bible no more binds or describes them than the Constitution does the US government.
They used to be other things, but in real life today they’re enemies of all civilization, humanity, and life—and they won. The San Francisco turd map is the height of Christendom.
Oh, I’d say there’s a bit more to it than that. Jews have punched far above their weight in destroying the West, and the great horde of barbarous postmodern intellectuals were and are atheists. And it was that latter group that conquered, much like academia, the seminaries of Christianity, from which they transmuted Christianity into the toxic potion that now does more harm than good.
A God that promises men multiple wives is a God who both loves man and also enjoys, at times, tormenting him with too much of what he desires.
So true. In the OT, polygamy was allowed and it always seemed to end up a lesson in why it shouldn’t be.
Womens lib/sexual revolution is what makes polygamy obsolete, for the time being anyway. Makes marriage itself obsolete (for the time being anyway).
IIRC, Mormonism teaches that Jesus and Satan are actually brothers. That’s all I need to know.
I like that book of theirs that actually has verbatim conversations between Adam and Eve. Not going to fault it, because the LDS showing it to me was so inspired by it, he said “if only everybody would read its truth”. He was a good joe and a Godly man.
Some people call Mormons, “Prairie Muslims.” One wife is enough.
Both my wife & I have morman relitives some converted & some married in. I’ve also known & worked with a lot. They all are as jacked up as anybody else but have higher divorce rates.
Down south strip clubs have Babtist parking in the back, out west its Morman parking in the rear.
Or as someone once said, why a man would want a wife is a mystery. Why he would want two is a bigamystery.
Starting from scratch is hard mode, Eastern Orthodoxy is the middle ground, but turning the clock back to far before V2 is probably the easiest.
And bring back pointy yellow hats.
Let me guess…this new religion you want us to see the possibility of, Z, will be filled with some sort of transhumanist tech-fueled promises? It’ll be MASCULINE, you red pilled dissidents! Isn’t Christianity for such WOMANLY men???????? You don’t want to be a woman, do you? A new religion!
You could have skipped writing this post by just reading “Take up your cross and follow me.”
“Take up your cross and follow me.”….. AMEN
I follow Zislam. Allah is the one true God and Zman is His prophet.
Hail Baba Z of the Zikh! He will come back ten times to teach us about God.
Ziddhartha, the Bhoddzivata, is the Jewel in the Lotus, to guide us to Nirvana.
Close, but no Zigar.
He’s the Masked Prophet El Zorro Aster.
Yeah, except in actual reality what that means is “give more free money to Africans so there will be more Africans to give free money to”. Just an endless, pointless bioleninist treadmill.
Giving you a soundtrack Z:
https://youtu.be/ezoOnI95BpE?si=s_y5wG28Ynh9rj6S
We are building a religion
We are building it bigger
We are widening the corridors
And adding more lanes
I just damn those Republicans.
The search for a new religion exposes many for their lack understanding, for the religion you choose defines you at a level most people cannot perceive or contemplate. Religion is not merely a list of useful “oughts”, but provides close to foundational framework for perception and understanding. You are only as smart as your religion allows you to be, and you can only see reality clearly to the extent your religion allows you to. People are drawn to religions they already believe because choosing a different one is an expensive mental operation. The utility of man-made religions tops out at… Read more »
Maybe the white man is like prospero from the tempest. He’s married off his daughter, turns in his magic and ponders the grave:
Now my charms are all o’erthrown,
And what strength I have’s mine own,
Which is most faint.
the religion of the West, Christianity, is in steep decline I get this image of an elderly, yet still spry wasp. He has conquered the world and elsewhere, done it all. His family enjoys his fortune and he wants to step aside, put on his smoking jacket, slippers and pour himself a drink retiring into a dark study to muse at his past and his experiences this to me is the white man. He has no more fight in him, no more things to conquer so he gives up the world to itself. He doesn’t want to argue distinctions so… Read more »
There is a reason why Jordan Peterson blew up in 2017 and 2018. He was channeling people’s innate desire for some kind of meaning in life, in hardship, in suffering.
If only he’d learned to paint badly and stayed away from Ezra Levant…
IIRC you wrote about how the founding of the USA was unique in that it was an attempt to create an “intentional” society. This being encapsulated in the preamble to the Constitution where it’s purpose was to create “a more perfect union.”
We all see how that went. I do not believe an intentional creation of some new religion will work out any better. It will just be another god made in our image which is just as fake as the god of secularism most people worship today.
I think religion is downstream of evolutionary development. First you must have a population worthy of morality before it can do its magic. And that means that nature or artificial intervention must cull the weak of mind and body before the spirit can thrive. Our society is infected by pathogens few in number but powerful in impact. Until that scourge is removed, there can be no rebirth of spiritual enhancement. What’s needed now is a crusade aimed at the parasitic pathogens that afflict us. Where are you Vin Diesel?
To laser focus on the decline of culture and religion and the corrosive effects, there were two historical examples we can study- Handsome Lake’s religious reforms of traditional Haudenoseenee religion into the Longhouse Way in 1799, or Wovoka’s Ghost Dance. Both have lessons to be learned.
One was successful and is practiced today, and one was a bloody failure.
I appreciate Zman taking on this issue. It is thorny as many people have only experienced a functional christian community and are unaware about how fragile our civilizational religion can be. I see many get lost in the assumption that the only alternative to be an orthodox believer is to be an atheist, or in the idea that Zman is naive about how hard would be to engineer a functional religion given that many humans will stay at the religion they were born into or the one that gave them a solid emotional support after an adult crisis. Being too… Read more »
It seems complicated but.. It might just be that the answer is as simple as just going back to what worked for 99% of human history. The social experiments of the 60’s have failed. Multicult and thoughtless tolerance and acceptance have failed. We were strong and healthy af up until ww2. There was a unipolar boom in the 50’s that lasted a bit and was very nice but was ultimately fleeting. But how did people live before then? What were their values? It all comes down to the natural order, we need to get back to what is true and… Read more »
Christianity got us into this mess with its focus on compassion, but concocting another version of it without the compassion is just piling one idiocy upon another, which is exactly what the Mormons did. Those people exist in their own little world and give me the shivers. They’re no template for a new civilisation. People need a cohesive preoccupation, but why religion? Communism did without religion altogether having replaced it with their socialist struggle, though that turned out to be only a phase. O’Brien in “1984” was cynically concocting cohesive preoccupations to keep society under control. This is basically what… Read more »