Yesterday the state of Missouri executed convicted murderer Marcellus Williams after a quarter century of legal wrangling. The case gained some attention because the defense managed to muddy the waters on the DNA evidence and therefore drag out the process long enough to get some of the principles to change their opinions on whether Williams did the crime. Of course, the real reason it gained attention was that the killer was black, and his victim was white.
The subtext to crime in current year America is that on the one hand, blacks commit crime due to living in a white supremacist society. On the other hand, when blacks commit crimes against whites, the whites must deserve it for perpetuating the white supremacist society that causes black crime. This is what makes up the social vengeance subculture at the heart of the social justice movement. In the end, it is all about getting revenge on white people.
The result of this or maybe the cause, it is not easy to know at this point, is that whites often appear to worship black people or at least want the world to think they hold blacks up as gods among men. The three dumbest members of the Supreme Court made sure the media knew they were opposed to the execution. As part of what we call the left in America, they need to let the rest of the hive know where they stand on every issue that involves race, especially when a black is involved.
Putting aside the racial stuff for a second, the case is a good example of the disfunction in modern America. The point of the death penalty is to exact revenge, on behalf of society, on the person who committed the crime. If it takes a quarter century to get that revenge and, in the process, the worst people are able to gnaw away at the justification for that revenge, then the point of the execution collapses. This is a basic function of human society, and we can no longer perform it.
The main argument against execution has always been that it is theoretically possible to convict an innocent man, so it is possible to execute an innocent man. This is why it takes decades in many cases to get to the vengeance part. Every conceivable question is addressed, even frivolous questions designed to stall the process. The point of the death penalty now is to make sure that there can be no possible chance that the person convicted of the crime is not guilty.
Even so, there are examples where there is some questions about the guilt of the person who was executed. Ironically, the best example is Cameron Todd Willingham, who was executed for the killing of his three daughters in a house fire he was convicted of starting. Otherwise, the examples used for this argument are those who were eventually exonerated. Instead of proving the point about innocent men getting executed, it shows that it is close to impossible.
Obviously, this argument against the death penalty only comes into play when the person facing Old Sparky is black. The Cameron Todd Willingham case did not get the frumpy Supreme Court justices out in the streets to tell the world they would have granted a stay of execution. The media was not interested in his case. It is always cases like the one in Missouri that get the attention of the people who apparently think black people are gods who walk amongst us.
This Afro-philia that has become a feature of the culture might seem like bourgeois degeneracy, but it has had an impact on the death penalty. According to the anti-death penalty people, there are 2244 people on death row in America. This is a shockingly low number, given that we have over 20,000 homicides per year. Of those on death row, just 41% are black. Even more shocking, 42% are white. Amazingly, only 14% of death row inmates are classified as Hispanic.
What this tells us is we need to be executing many more black offenders, to not only get the current numbers in proportion to the well-known crime figures on murder, but to address the many years of discrimination against white murderers. Blacks commit far more murder in America than any other group and this has been true for generations, so they are grossly under-represented on death row. That under-representation is due to the general worship of Africans in the culture.
Afro-philia and Leukophobia not only warp the application of the death penalty in favor of blacks, but it also provides them with many more appeal options because the black offender draws more support. Black offenders spend more time, on average, waiting for their execution than white killers. The official explanation for this is black offenders have more complex cases, which is another way of saying they get far more legal help from people exceptionally good at undermining the system.
The Marcellus Williams case is a great example. He murdered Felicia Picus in her home during a robbery. He stabbed her over forty times with a kitchen clever, which means he hacked her to death. There was a mountain of physical evidence and witness testimony that pointed to Williams as the killer. The usual suspects swept in once he was convicted to trick people into questioning their own minds, in an effort to free another black killer from the justice he deserves.
Of course, the response is always the same. Blacks spent yesterday on Twitter bemoaning the racial inequity of the death penalty. Progressive whites joined in with their usual public acts of piety. Pointing this out results in the usual abracadabra words from the usual suspects. It is all so tiring and underscores the fact that there is no remedy to this other than peaceful separation. There is no solving the race issue because Afro-philia and Leukophobia are too powerful.
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I’m with Z and everyone’s favorite burn-out Chinese engineer in Africa: It’s all so tiresome.
I don’t want to argue with Leftists whites, who are insane, or scheming Jews, who are lying. It’s pointless. They hate me. I hate them. I want them out of my life and out of my lands. That’s the only way. The time has come for a divorce, starting in our own lives and moving outward.
Amen Brother but could you expand on that last sentence a little bit…
The time has come for a divorce, starting in our own lives and moving outward.
Most people would never let their neighbors know what they thought or said online so how do you expand outward when that is the norm for our side…
It’s tough. But over the years, I’ve let my neighbors generally know my politics – in a gentle way. I’ve said for years that I want zero immigration. Not illegal, all immigration. They know that I would never live in a black neighborhood not only because of the crime but because I like being around my own people. I’ve said that I can’t watch TV shows because every commercial is a stupid white guy or a black/white or more ridiculous a black/Asian couple. Now, I’ve never publicly said that blacks are dumber than whites or more prone to violence, but… Read more »
Thanks Brother but I’m sure your neighbors would not hesitate to throw you under the bus if it meant keeping their own comforts which is why we need our own country so we can be around our own kind in body, spirit, and mind…
Some of them have security clearance, so I’m quite sure that your right.
Or they know he is not a NAZI because he’s never at any of the meetings. (It’s a joke!)
Wearing a hoodie with the Zerohedge logo will do it–
My teenage daughter stole my Lagos Trading Company t-shirt and wears it around. I told her that it might be dangerous. I also told her that if some middle-age guy stares at her when she’s wearing it, it’s not because he’s creepy but because he’s trying to believe what he’s seeing.
Does she know what it means or did she fall sway to Z Man’s smoldering seduction?
He does have a great radio voice, but, no, she just liked the t-shirt. However, she has a good Cliff Notes understanding of my political beliefs. She’s slowly coming around. She’s naturally more dissident that I am, but she’s young so it takes time.
Let’s just say that she’s not happy that her high school has seen an influx of migrant kids lately.
Probably because they are 20-year-olds in 10th grade.
Heh! T’ain’t what a lady says, but what she does. Dottir is sending Dads a nice message- and she’s already learned to go grey, at that.
They know that I would never live in a black neighborhood not only because of the crime but because I like being around my own people.
They totally understand it because it also is how they choose to live. Whether they admit it to themselves, let alone to others, is a whole different ball game.
No, no. You’re wrong. They just look at the neighborhood and the schools and liked it. Nothing to do with race. No, nothing at all.
Because you can afford not to and so can they. That’s a bond that comes before anything else, really.
Citizen, best of luck with your kids. Some kids can bond strongly enough with their parents that they can stay devoted to their parents who engage in wrongthink.
My niece grew up in one of the most liberal cities in the country, but she still loves her Trump-supporting daddy, my brother, in spite of the maelstrom of media that tells her to hate him.
But his son hates him because my brother gently but firmly made him do his homework, which is unforgivable.
Sadly, I’m sure there are many devoted parents who lost their kids this way. Good luck, friends.
Remember. We’re the rebels now. Kids understand that.
I tend to think kids are the ultimate conformists. I remember sometime in my early teens realizing that the media was more powerful than my parents and siding with the media. My parents may hate my long hair, but I believed that I would receive greater praise from the media-culture. It took me 20+ years to realize that I mostly agreed with my parents.
On your recommendation, I’ll look for contrary signs. I’d like to be wrong.
I don’t think the human mind is well equipped to deal with these “virtual people” who exist in everyone’s minds because of mass media. A good question to ask anyone who is siding with the mass media over their own family is “would these media people give you a place to stay or food to eat?”. Of course the answer is no, they don’t even know most people exist. Until the current age though, there were no virtual people, only real ones. If you agreed with someone and disagreed with someone else, it was reasonable to assume that the person… Read more »
The left is now in full support of corporations, war, and the intel agencies. Yep, they’re the establishment, and we’re the counter-culture.
Homework is just another nail in the coffin of intact families, if you can’t learn what you need to in about 4 hours a day then you aren’t teaching the right way…We homeschool because of that and many other reasons…
I testify that Lineman has great kids.
I detect a certain “line”age here…
One thing I taught our kids is that if you are organized, you can do much of your homework in class while they are teaching the dumber students….
It’s not the actual norm…it’s the norm for people who are opinionated and like to virtue signal online…the “silent” majority, which includes quite a fair number of older blacks in my considerable experience, wants killers and gangbangers removed from society, the more permanently the better….
You misunderstood I was talking about our side IRL…
It’s true, the old blacks- who were Panthers in their day, by the way- are wondering wtf happened to the damm kids. Where’s the Uprising?
I totally get it C… but I don’t think peaceful separation is possible. Jewish grift requires other people’s money – and lots of it. Violent stupid black people will participate with them wholeheartedly in exchange for crumbs. Reduced to their base state, blacks are nothing more than sophisticated predatory killer apes. You may as well try to make peace with with a scorpion or a rattle snake. I hate to say it but I am now completely black pilled. In order to redeem the courts, restore law and order, and achieve any kind of real peace or prosperity, at least… Read more »
No. There is no peaceful separation. But before you can work toward separation in the real world, you need to separate in your mind.
As the white population dwindles, the “others” that are left will care less and less about Black History month and whether Jon’tavious’s feelings are hurt, or how to hire more DEI HR ladies with doctorates. Flash robs will get met with shotgun blasts. Some blacks are already ameliorating their behaviors as they realize this. Once we are gone, then who needs you?
My suspicion is that the “plan” is not to replace all Whites, but to reduce their numbers to a surf population that keeps this on this clown show running. Even the elite like electricity and the other basics of life.
They want to turn us into surfs and pheasants…
Ostei, there is the process of taking a good ribbing to the point of annoying commentary, which one considers personal. I’ve taken some in good stride, but am now tiring of it. I know the difference between serf and surf, as you well know. Perhaps you’d consider in the future adding something of general interest to the discussion at hand, other than pointing out my—and many others’—grammatical/spelling errors via one line quips. This behavior has since the early days of the Internet been considered poor form. Heretofore, I considered such to be good advice and have avoided such mostly—albeit, I… Read more »
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Ostei sees our old friend in an irritable mood, and is trying to josh him out of it, as any friend would do.
agree with the sentiment…and may I add that using the ghetto spelling of the word that begins with (in actuality) a wh and ends in an e has become so prevalent that most kids prob think that’s the way it’s spelled.
Yes, black history does not interest our hispanic population much, and our neighborhood has never paid the slightest attention to it….
I have begun to tell lefty that the only solution to our situation is peaceful separation. That is when they have meltdowns and begin sputtering about how we want to destroy the county. I then tell them that if we separate, they can everything they want immediately. They can eliminate carbon, have unlimited immigration, unlimited abortion (even into the fourth trimester) get rid of Christian churches, have mandatory homosexual lessons for all school students, etc…They are dumfounded and really don’t know how to respond. I then continue and tell them that our situation is like a really bad marriage, where… Read more »
Hate to break it to you but peaceful will only come after a long and bloody conflict if ever… People will never let their power go willingly and will destroy everything to keep it as we are seeing now…
Of course, I know they will never let us go peacefully but discussion of violent separation really doesn’t serve my argument with lefty yet. The idea is to plant the idea that we view the society/economy that they have created as crazy and unsustainable and we need to escape from their increasing insanity and eventually the discussion will be option 1, peaceful separation or option 2, violent separation.
Why even bother talking to them about it they won’t understand until they are living in the hellhole, our focus should be on gathering those on this side of the divide and start separating now…
Again I know that you are right but I can’t help myself. It’s actually enjoyable to watch them beginning to realize that the whole thing is starting to unravel. The housing affordability crisis in Canada, driven largely by the left’s political program of racing to replace out heritage population, has really started to wake some of them up. Watching your cities starting to resemble the mysterious subcontinent of India is having an effect even on the most obsequious liberal. I am under no illusions what will eventually be necessary but that time has not arrived yet. It will take an… Read more »
How do they stand it there? It has to be ghastly.
Like you blaming the Canadian replacement largely on leftists, they’ll blame it largely on Corporations. You can both feel justified and keep your stances, ready for the problems to develop again.
It seems to me that separation need not be all or nothing. I mean in the sense that we still have freedoms of association in certain domains. E.g. if you attend a church, it’s unlikely you have vocal atheists in the congregation demanding equal time. I like Vaari’s tactic also, telling Lefty that there are two worldviews that are fundamentally irreconcilable. The best option would seem separation. It will come peaceably or “other” In extremis, nothing will save us from the boxcar. But the Vaari method has the advantage of telling others in relatively diplomatic, yet in no uncertain terms,… Read more »
In time, the Pit Fiends won’t have the power to prevent us from separating.
That was the case in the War of Northern Agression and the European civil wars a few centuries before that but it didn’t happen that way at the fall of Rome. The old Regime was too weak and stupid to defend itself any longer and the provinces, although they lost what things Rome could still guarantee like trade, were happier without the Roman oppression. The future of that land was to be in provences so strong they were literal states, like Venice. To this day there is a far greater difference in peoples between provinces in Italy than there is… Read more »
I hate myself for saying it, but Netanyahoo may be showing us the way.
Vicarious hatred for the browns through the German state of israel. Many such cases.
“They hate me. I hate them.”
yea. The key is to hate them back with all of your might. Do nothing to help them. Ever. Make things as hard for them as you possibly can. Don’t even hold the door for them at the grocery store. Fuck them.
I don’t blame pitbulls for attacking people; they are only being true to their well-known nature. The people I despise are the owners who insist on having such pets. ‘He’s a good boy really’ until the second when he isn’t. Similarly, the greater propensity of Blacks to commit crime is an established fact. I don’t feel bitter about that. It’s just a brute fact. It is bourgeois white progs, who have adopted them as pets from a safe distance, who are the greatest enemies. The psychopathy, malice and perversion of the white leftist are all far more deadly because they… Read more »
Exactly. White women essentially are the owners in this case (“masters,” really, although they avoid the term). I will reup again that the main problem in the United States is Puritans, not the Tribe and not the more blatant savages. It has been the same people and same mentality that has been the source of misery since before the Founding. Take out the Puritans and all the other problems go away. Unfortunately, with the advent of Empire Puritanism was weaponized and exported to most of the world, so others abroad either will deal with their problem or suffer as we… Read more »
Judeo-Puritanism and Afrophilia are the problems. The first gets us forever wars abroad and the second at home.
Concur on the strange twist of the Puritan mind and its expression in the Anglo Empire’s history of shenanigans.
Whites imagining they are conquest jews, from a Book where jews imagined they were conquest whites, will do that to ya.
JudeoPuritan fits most especially in the context of the influence of the Rothschild City of London and subsequent British maneuvers.
A subset of whites has become as or more dangerous to the future of the white race as any competitor. Our deadliest competition is our own.
OId Blighty of late seems hellbent on reminding all that it was the OG of that deranged genre.
Not really familiar with French history are you? Or Dutch.
Didn’t the British kick out the Puritans? Not many English or Puritans in Starmer’s government. You could try looking at the Scottish political scene if you want to feel better about your own country’s imminent demise.
They tried to become us, but instead turned us into them.
A rather famous Jew observed that a man’s worst enemies would be in his own house.
One locus of Puritanism that doesn’t get nearly enough hate is Boston.
There are so many bad feelings and ideas emanating from that burg it’s unbelievable.
I dare say Cambridge, its loopy suburb, deserves more hate than all of New England.
The only difference between you and the shitlib gun grabbers are the lies you choose to believe and the vacuum between your ears. Shut up already – you’re not worth listening to. For the rest of us: Take all the fatal pit bull attacks and do your due diligence. You will find the majority of the dogs will show signs of abuse. They will have owners, typically 18-25 years old with criminal records and dealings with the police. In America – coincidentally enough, the majority of those owners are black. Typically, when their pit bulls are confiscated and/or destroyed –… Read more »
Easy does it, his point wasn’t about dogs
Not All Pit Bulls Are Like That.
IKAGPB
I get the sarcasm, but what you say is correct. I live in an Hispanic town. This means Pit Bulls and Chihuahuas are the norm. Yet at the County “no kill shelter”, they allow some of the pit Bulls to run around the cages unattended. Damn sweet dogs—and it gets them adopted. (Aside: Things are so bad economically here that the dogs repeatedly have explanations of why they were turned in to the effect, “it eats too much”. Indeed, the shelter is now giving dog food to those people which is cheaper than housing the dog. Old people especially—since they… Read more »
One veterinarian said in 25 years, only one pit tried to bite him, and because she was hurt and scared. In the same time, only one German Shepherd didn’t try to bite him.
Not All Gun Owners Are Like That. Sorry about the snippy tone… but this is the exact same crap that comes out of every second shitlib bubblehead. Mock me and down-voat me to your heart’s content; but – do yourself a favour: take five minutes and fact check me. Talk to actual authorities and knowledgeable handlers. Hell’s bells, boys, this is classic Gell Mann amnesia. The shite you guys are reading about pit bulls is written by the same rat faced jews, frumpy liberal women and brainless diversity hires that infest the media industry today. It’s sloppy thinking, and dissidents… Read more »
Pit Bulls are a mixed bag, genetically. Watch the Westminster Dog Show and they have a bunch of them of different varieties. The common ones we see are even a mixture of those. We talk past each other trying to describe the problem. At that point it’s better described as a function of owner, rather than breed. Hell, years ago I was on the golf course with the Ridgebacks and a couple ran out of their home and brought out their Weimaraner. Hunting dog. The couple said they were trying to “socialize” their new dog.Everyone got along famously, being all… Read more »
I live in Southwest Florida and am a lifelong outdoorsman. Wild hogs infest every patch of woods around here and hunting them with dogs is a big thing. Some of my friends participate in this sport. They have hounds that do the tracking, chasing, and bringing the hog to bay. Then their other dogs move in and grab the hog and hold it until the men finally come crashing through the palmettos to “hog-tie” the critter. These “catch dogs” are invariably pit bulls and/or corsos. It’s been my experience that these “catch dogs” are just as friendly to any and… Read more »
I will say, I had a roommate years ago who had a pit bull he bought from a black entrepreneur, so the dog might’ve been from a fighting line, who knows. Sweetest dog ever, at any rate. I figure that innate sweetness turns to viciousness if betrayed, although there’s no accounting for bad breeding.
It would be nice if we could shock LBJ back to life, confront him with the demographics of murder, listen to him whine about his good intentions, then hang him.
Yes, I am waiting for the sci-fi novel of the 21st century in which the new resurrection technology permits cloning the dead and reconstruction of their minds. Every decade or so the really heinous criminals will be resurrected and publicly executed, forever. LBJ, teddy kennedy, emanuel celler, would certainly all be candidates for such honors.
Don’t forget Celler’s good buddy Hart.
And Javits, who caused the whole thing, fighting forty years against the (“Whites Only”) 1924 Immigration Restriction Act.
I confess, I looked up Emanuel Celler because I didn’t know who he was, but had my suspicions.
Columbia JD
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(((Grandparents)))
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Had his hands in every immigration abomination in history.
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My suspicions were confirmed.
Now do the same with Hart.
Every. Single. Time.
Except when it’s not.
I can’t recall the details, but I recall reading that there have been times in history where literal corpses were taken to court and tried for crimes.
Yup. Google “cadaver synod”. Quite a hoot.
Then pull a Cromwell on him, disinter his corpse and drive a pike through his skull.
Knowing what I’ve learned about LBJ, I highly, highly doubt he’d really care. If anything he’d probably find it funny.
This is why I don’t want to see Pres. Trump ‘fix’ anything but deportation. I don’t want to see him propping up the US dollar (the life blood of the evil empire) or rebuilding the US military so that it can more effectively serve the [City of London-New York City-Tel Aviv] Axis of Evil on modern battlefields. Even if we deport every single illegal alien, not just the most recent raiding party, it’s not good enough any more. We need a new ruling class. Complete civilizational collapse is the cure. Either we will rise from it and completely and pitilessly… Read more »
Horace: Very well said. And I am in full agreement that I don’t want anyone trying to ‘fix’ anything. Every institution, every aspect of society and culture, is rotten to the core. Fiddling around with minor limitations on the franchise or reforming the state security apparatus is like the ‘war on poverty.’ Billions of dollars and decades wasted in trying to engineer a ‘fix’ to genetic nature while simultaneously denying its existence. I’ve been called a black piller, but I prefer hard-eyed realist. I take great joy in life from my beloved family, and the many blessings of White civilization… Read more »
One black pill “deserves” a white pill. Reminds me of Fahrenheit 451, written by Ray Bradbury and published in 1953–is a dystopian novel set in a future where books are banned, and “firemen” burn any that are found. In the end, the protagonist steals a book and memorizes it and joins an underground society which preserves such knowledge. One book, one dissident at a time. How much easier today when a dozen flash drives can hold in digital form all the works in the Library of Congress? The point being, knowledge can never be destroyed. Even in the medieval times, it… Read more »
Compsci: Yes, I read Fahrenheit 451 in middle school. And it is a white pill on its face. But as people die and generations change, so too do values. Pastors like to say that Christianity is one generation from extinction – and we’re seeing that in real time in the US and Europe (no, I do not count African animist/voodoo Christianity as the same faith). What one man may consider a timeless book to memorize or save, his son/grandson may consider heretical thought and/or a bounty if turned in to authorities. And yes, knowledge can be destroyed. We no longer… Read more »
Then you missed the point of Fahrenheit 451. The point was that society *had* voted to eliminate books. That’s what “fireman” did—find illicit books (all books) and destroy them. The book was about dissidents who rejected that society and the elimination of books. Even more, it was about dissidents *replenishing* themselves as exemplified by Montag, who grew up in that “bookless” society, but never the less came to reject that society’s “anti book” values and other mindless pursuits like flat screen TV’s the size of entire walls and “church” services featuring computer animated talks from Jesus. If on the other… Read more »
What is “AINO” if not the consummate conservatard complaint? The pozzed write it approvingly when they retain blind faith in A, a lifelong polluter of minds and a useful cannibalizer of nations. Since A was conceived in rottenness by the rotten for the rotten—like a bastard child of an unholy Seat, A can’t have a good form. The differences between now and a quarter millenium ago are a matter of degree, not kind. So let “AINO” fall into the landfill of history where it belongs with the reputations of Robert Morris, Geo. Washington, and Haym Solomon (left to right). Read… Read more »
Matt Bracken:
“What will all these illegals do once they cut off their free ride?
It’s only a matter of time. They will not give them free housing and food and health care and education forever.
There will be tens of millions of hungry and angry criminal invaders who will take what they need from whoever has it.
They will fight to survive.
Are you ready for the inevitable?”
What Horace said, to the hundredth power.
Thank you for articulating my thoughts much better than I ever could.
I’ve nothing to add to what you’ve written except to say that I completely agree with you on every point. In general one just can’t depend on the authorities for justice or retribution. I’m convinced that what the Corleone family did in Long Island is the right thing (and I’m not joking): “It was typical of the young Santino, before he became older and crueler, that he extended his protection to the community he lived in. Sonny paid a personal call to the home-improvement firm owner and told him not to send any of his men into the Long Beach… Read more »
That used to be the norm when White Men still had Community… When they became atomized and individualistic/selfish that Community fell apart and the degenerate and evil moved in and flourished…
It’s been a long, long time since that was the norm in America. They were willing to join a posse or a vigilance committee if the sheriff was too woke to do his job, but as soon as the threat was eliminated, it was “good fences make good neighbors” and “As for me and my household, we will serve the Lord.”
Individualism is not the enemy here. Never was.
Tangentially, white vigilante justice in the old South kept the nuggras in check, and made Southern society pleasant and functional. Once so-called “civil rights” supervened, the South went straight to hell.
From a purely utilitarian perspective, all the injustices committed against blacks by whites pre-1960 pale in comparison to the hundreds of thousands of rapes, armed robberies, assaults, carjackings, and murders blacks have perpetrated against whites in the past sixty years since (ahem) “civil rights.” They have destroyed every single city in America where they are concentrated. Everywhere you find large numbers of blacks you find dysfunction, sociopathology and dependence on government for medicine, legal help, housing, food, etc. The sheer cost of dealing with ONE negro accused of committing a violent crime is staggering — police, corrections, court-appointed lawyers and… Read more »
We certainly have the climate for it nine months of the year.
Did you mean Long Island??
I did check up on it and it seems Long Beach is a part of Long Island so I let it stand.
Broken Windows Theory in action
River Forest, longtime bedroom community for the Chicago mob and heavily Italian then, was the same. While Tony Accardo and his family were vacationing in Palm Spings late in 1977 their home in River Forest was burgled. A few months later all five men thought to be involved in any way with the burglary turned up dead. No arrests, no one was charged. Safest town in Illinois.
Used to be drunk chicks in short skirts could stumble around anywhere in Vegas at 2am, and not a thing would happen. Tourists flush with casino cash- same.
The next logical step, already underway, is that the ruling Elites will outlaw crime statistics (and possibly most statistics). The Steve Sailers of this world who “notice” massive, outsized black criminality will end up in the Chair themselves.
Yes. It is happening now, actually, with falsified/misleading data. I’m shocked the racial aspects still are published at all. Some time back the propaganda organs stopped mentioning that a perp was black. It has now spread to BOLO’s and other suspect descriptions.
The thing is, not identifying the offender, does.
Yes, they really are that obtuse.
It was always stupid and wrong to believe the numbers coming from the cops, as any city dweller who’s ever tried to report a crime knows. Now that they openly lie and brag that they’re lying, “the right”—libertarians and nooooticers—are even more attached to their numbers. Nerds don’t care if numbers are fake. They bow to anyone who supplies them. Libertarians: Crime is down! Always! Progress! Everything is progress! Menaced by migrant crime? First of all, that doesn’t exist. Second, maybe try not being the kind of loooooooozzzzzer we’re replacing. MAGATS BTFO Anyone who’s seen a most wanted list knows… Read more »
In some cases (all, perhaps?) there is no legal requirement for local governments to report crime statistics to the FBI or whomever. Even what data are reported are probably not vetted for accuracy. And of course the usual suspect is politics. In nearly any local area with even the national average share of blacks (about 13%), it’s a given that the blacks will commit most of the serious crime. In cities like Washington D.C. (about 40%) they commit substantially all the murders and other violent crime. These are known facts. But it’s considered taboo to discuss them. Put yourself in the… Read more »
In other words, negro criminality is almost certainly underreported. I wholeheartedly agree.
Boomers are peak Jew, Millennials peak black, I’d guess Z will be peak homo. Just follow the pop culture they consumed while growing up. (Yawn.)
edit: forgot X. Peak blackpill.
edit edit: maybe peak woman, idk. Sure feels like blackpill.
Women, in your example, are extremely well adapted to their externalities, In that sense, it is always Peak Woman.
I remember Lilith Fair and Alanis Morissette as God, so beyond Women’s Lib, it was getting downright theological. Peak Woman, indeed!
edit: forgot X. Peak blackpill
Lol nice, thanks for catching the joke!
Yea we definitely are a bunch of cynics which is very helpful when they are pushing us to do this or that but makes it hard to organize and get anything productive done either…
Exactly. A whole lot of us, realist dissident guys, would have to die to rectify the situation. It’s called having an army and the key words are self sacrifice. That is not the cynical way to put it mildly. And I world know. Because there are a lot of people I’d love to “deal with”. But I honestly simply don’t want either the pine box or the concrete box
Don’t know if you saw this when I posted it to 3g on an earlier article but it fits with what you stated about the dissident guys in general…It’s something Solzhenitsyn wrote… the uprising went unresisted, to a man – even as those men and soldiers saw what was coming. And yet they did not respond accordingly. Terror has that effect. By the time it’s felt, it’s too late… Every man always has handy a dozen glib little reasons why he is right not to sacrifice himself. Guys won’t even move, organize, better their situation so how can you expect… Read more »
We need to organize better, absolutely. But that is not easy, partly because everyone is (still) fed and partly because of doxxing, feds, cancelling employment, bank accounts and all that
Boomers, like the rest of us have been subjected to nonstop propaganda their entire lives. They grew up with a Jew in their living room (TV), another one in their bedroom and in the car (radio). Don’t forget about printed material like newspapers and magazines and digital material like websites. Every means of mass communications is used for and has been used for propaganda for many decades. It’s a miracle that anyone can think clearly on any subject at all.
Yep. And Millennials grew up listening to rap and watching ESPN. It’s how I know I’m getting old— country music on the jukebox, less sports on the TVs.
FWIW they also like $8 pints that taste like skunk ass and $15 hamburgers that taste like seasoning. I like hops and seasoning as much as the next guy, but for my money I want to taste the brewer’s craft and the cook’s skill. Alcoholic foodies. Millennial things lol.
When I heard the man’s name I thought of Pulp fiction. Anyway, I think there is something about out of control bureaucracy that kills efficiency and eventually effectiveness. Back in the day, say the 1930s New York, you killed in big apple, it took the empire state a year, maybe a year and a half, to fry you in sing sing. Endless appeals about this and that is a much much later thing. The reason it takes a quarter of a century to execute a murderer is the same reason it takes a quarter of a century to build a… Read more »
Just lay back and think about how much that paper shuffling contributes to our GDP!
The Germans captured at Amagansett in 1942 were in the electric chair at the Washington City Jail (!) 45 days after they were found, and that 45 days included a trial, a verdict, and Supreme Court review.
Yes, but those were show trials so it is hard to compare. The Soviets were efficient too.
Strikes me as a valid point. But surely, say, 8-12 months should be more than enough to let appeals fix all but the most unbearably unfortunate mistakes, and just get it done
All the above miss the essence of the matter (IMHO). Is it of more benefit (to society) to allow 100 guilty go free, than to convict one innocent?
Get that straight, and everything else falls out from there.
What is missing from the equation is when the prosecution errs in convicting an innocent, the prosecution should then do equal time.
Nay, only if there is malfeasance (purposeful error) on the part of the Prosecutor. What I say is that there is always error as we are human.
Superb. It is the prosecutors who are completely out of control. I say all officers of the law- the judge, prosecution, defense- all should be liable.
Instead, we make bar owners and ‘negligent’ parents liable, or especially parents who resist Woke madness.
I’ve come to believe that one very under-appreciated positive to the death penalty is that it prevents murderers from killing again. It’s become pretty clear to me that a “life” sentence nearly never ever means actual life in prison. I’m kind of addicted to watching true crime docs on YouTube and I remain astonished at how often the same story repeats. Someone viciously murders one or several people in cold blood. They’re given a “life” sentence (or have a death sentence commuted) and they’re inevitably released after 5 or 10 years and immediately return to killing. I saw one of… Read more »
And they told us eugenics was a bad thing
Yes, but on my Law and Order TV show the white man is more than likely the criminal put away by the you go girls and the intelligent negroes.
We have been socially engineered for a long time now.
And everyone is affected by it Brother even our side…
The producer of that show is the mischling Jew Dick Wolf.
Another indicator that capital punishment is doomed is the secret, sterile methods now in use to do the deed, whether the condemned man (it is almost always a man) is black or white. Old Sparky, a/k/a Little Hot Squat, was meant to be more humane than the rope, or the axe, and that was more than a century ago. But it required a fixed location and technology making a crowd of more than a dozen or so infeasible. The whole point of execution (I agree that it is the appropriate and healthy vengeance of an offended society) is demonstrative, because… Read more »
Indeed, a society too squeamish to use the greatest, most foolproof, cheapest, and most humane execution method ever devised, all of these things simultaneously, doesn’t really belong in the execution business. I speak of the guillotine.
Sold by its inventor, Dr. Guillotine, as foolproof and humane, by the way!
I generally (but not 100%) oppose the idea of the government killing people to make a point. Sure, it sounds good to all the “conservative” law-and-order types to “hang ’em high,” but we tend to forget what happens when the left-wing nutjobs are in power… you get the Reign of Terror in 1793.
The object should be to remove the threat from society. If death is the only way to do it, so be it. If other means are effective… use them.
The solution to that problem is to create a rightwing nation in which espousal of Leftism is a capital offense. (Joking…sort of.)
Chile, mid-1970s? Just had this discussion with a buddy the other day. Yes, part of me says it was kinda cool to throw the left-wing commie bastards out of helicopters. Part of me admires Uncle Augusto. On the other hand… in that kind of situation you’re either in the party and/or the military, or you’re not. And if you’re not, you’re automatically suspect. If the goon squads mistakenly tag you as one of the commie fags you’re gonna have a hell of a time convincing them otherwise, and if you get shot or tossed out of a Huey they aren’t… Read more »
Everything’s a tradeoff, bud.
The highest principle of the GAE is the inviolable right of blacks to rape and murder whites. To primary purpose of gun control, to cite one policy example, is to prevent a white man from shooting a sacralized being who is wanting to sodomize and then hack to death his kids. George Floyd’s birthday will replace President’s Day at some point. It would have happened already if he had murdered white people prior to his overdose. Haitians are our strength.
*Europe and the Isles frantically waving hello*
This post gets my blood up. The State killing an innocent man? They do it all the time, and folks are OK with it. If people really thought that was so bad, then they wouldn’t allow the police to carry guns. Does the name Ashli Babbitt ring a bell. Or Vikki Weaver?
Then there is that old line “Better ten guilty men go free than one innocent man die”. Cute.
In the real world that works out to “Better ten guilty men go free to kill ten more innocent men than one highly questionably innocent man die.”
I would much rather live in a society where I was at a minuscule risk of being mistakenly executed, than our current risk of being murdered for my tennis shoes.
I think a major cause of our distorted, perverted, society is a kind of “Stockholm syndrome” afflicting our urban populace- They grew up being helplessly bullied by (D)irtbag constituents such as bl**ks, teachers, gays, govt workers – in order to tolerate that treatment they believe things that make them feel OK about it, like: “can’t fight back, that’d be racist” …
This is why the US needs an market crash of epic proportions. Only suffering in the form of poverty is going to snap people out of their delusions and narratives. Just watch, the moment the markets crash 90% is the moment all this woke nonsense dies out.
Woke is a luxury belief and people can only afford luxuries when economic times are good.
It’s a religion, a market crash won’t snap them out of it. It got worse during Covid.
The remedy to this problem is as ancient as evolution. A relatively small cohort of our population has corrupted our culture and societal institutions to the detriment of all. Today’s post is but another example of this. As such, we must evolve methods of remedy that transcend conventional mechanisms because the game is rigged against sanity. Those are the wages of using our civility against us. The bolt-from-the-blue works, and we should strive to become good at it. They want to change society, but this change can anything, even that which works.
You have quoted de Maistre before: “All grandeur, all power, and all subordination to authority rests on the executioner: he is the horror and the bond of human association.” If the U.S. today executed even 10% of those on death row, first-degree murders would drop 90%.
I suspect you are right that the real cost of not (really) enforcing death penalty for murder laws are many thousands of murders. But I m not keen on firing up the death penalty train because it will be controlled by our enemies. They hold the state power for the time being. Let’s not give them a deadlier tool
Speedy and severe punishment is a remarkable disincentive to criminality.
Alas, you give the ferral population too much credit. deMaistre’s experience did not extend to them.
I did some research on a WWI pilot from our state who was murdered during a robbery by a black back in the 1930’s. Even then it was a year before da po ole nigra was fried. Currently, the death penalty is nothing but a joke. One of these days, deserved summary executions will be made great again…
Well, if we devolve into a Weimar Republic after a catastrophic economic/societal meltdown, we will indeed have summary executions. Count on it. No banding together of home/neighborhood/city defenders will have the time, nor resources, for such niceties as trials and other judicial proceedings.
What this tells us is that the races can’t live in peace together ever. What that tells us is us whites have to start thinking about how to separate from the other races; and what that tells us is that we have to convince more and more whites that while race mixing and equality may have had good intentions, it’s been tried and found horrible for whites.
what this tells us is whites have to think and be mean.
What this tells us is whites have to think and be mean.
It tells us that we have to start coming together and organizing as Whites and do what’s best for us…
OK, but how, if we absolutely refuse to at least analyse groups who have tribal identities, and how they get others of their group to put tribe first?
Plenty of complaining about what’s happening, but obviously that’s not doing the trick, or there wouldn’t be the complaining in the first place.
“Justice” in America is defined by the verdict and sentencing of the perp by a jury of his/her peers. Anything after that just gets in the way. A mature society would put a $0.50 bullet in the head of the guilty guy on the way out of the courtroom, saving untold millions of dollars and actually making execution a deterrent.
From “Book him, Dano” to “Cap him, Dano”
I like. Immediately after sentencing, as soon as the courtroom is cleared. Back room on the left.
Words and actions. When words run out, only actions remain. When words become worthless, war will begin. This is the future of the USA. There will come a point soon that words run out, verbal communication is no longer possible, neither side can hear the other or even care to. And then we will have civil war. Only actions can resolve this quagmire. Not words. Watch. We may first see a massive market crash. That will bring in reality like a tsunami. Then the fighting will start as people realize partytime is over and scavenging time for limited resources has… Read more »
Sotomayor and Kentanji Jackson or whatever her name is, are stupid. I don’t think Kagan is stupid. She and her ethnic cohorts just have that ingrained hatred of typical white people like the victim. She is probably also reflexively opposed to the death penalty regardless of the race of the perp or the victim
Z said she was one of the three stupidest on the court. Stupid is a stupid does.
Leaving “stupid” out of it, I rather judge them as “mediocrities” who should *never* have been considered *except* that they checked off the boxes in our now ubiquitous “spoils” system.
It is all so tiring and underscores the fact that there is no remedy to this other than peaceful separation. There is no solving the race issue because Afro-philia and Leukophobia are too powerful.
The only separation that will work is if all non whites go back otherwise it will be war…
“peaceful separation”
Anyone who uses this phrase deserves the hell we all have to live in.
It is not a solution, because they won’t let you go peacefully. They will use violence to keep you a slave.
Yes – this is undeniable. Americans would do well to really study the Spanish Civil War. That way it will be clear just what that shitlib neighbor down the street will do if given the chance. They’re not just harmless nuts. In his/her heart, each is a murderous zealot. They would bash little children or old people to death with clubs given the license to do so. The Last Crusade is a good book for this topic, but any fair history written by a non-Leftist should give an adequate flavor of what went on. I think it’s relevant to the… Read more »
“Faction,” parts one and two, by Karl Dahl. Both extremely educational.
The only solution is separation, peaceful would be optimal.
Separation by an ocean or a heavily armed border is the only way you can have that…
Lineman: That’s why I say that unless the genie of intercontinental travel can be put back in its bottle, separation itself is insufficient – because it cannot be eternally guaranteed. I just want all the others gone from the earth. Just imagine the Caribbean or Africa or even the Yucatan repopulated and developed solely by Whites.
“I just want all the others gone from the earth.”
At least you don’t ask for much…
So be it.
I wonder if this is a new problem, Z?
Back in the day when blacks got lynched – I wonder if it wasn’t done to prevent them escaping into the legal system of the day?
In David Mcullough’s Truman he relates a from an article in a local paper in the 1900s that the folks in Missouri would lynch a negro miscreant to keep the others in line.
I don’t think any of them were innocent, white or black.
“The usual suspects swept in once he was convicted to trick people into questioning their own minds, in an effort to free another black killer from the justice he deserves.” It’s even worse than that. It is at its essence a case against *all* justice/penalties required by society. A form of nihilism if you will. These folk who are against the “death penalty” are against *all* penalties for anti-social, criminal behavior. If you’ve listened in depth to these advocates against the death penalty, you discover that the typical argument which follows the “how do we know they are guilty” sophism… Read more »
To be fair, the death penalty is a 2 prong test. One is guilt, the other is for qualification for the death penalty. I think we need guilt to be a 2 prong test. First is conviction, second being certainty in that conviction. Not all guilty verdicts are equally certain. There is no difference between a conviction based on eye witnesses who knew the suspect beforehand (completely eliminating false identification) along with video tape of the murder and a ton of physical evidence and one based entirely on circumstantial evidence. Guilty is guilty. It is a binary proposition. Though I… Read more »
I think you may be incorrect here. Those with experience can elaborate. Guilt upon conviction is considered “certain” in our legal system. Any appeal is to the process involved *only*. Yes, even additional evidence is part of process. Review boards don’t play into this as I see it. The award of penalty is (somewhat) in the purview of the judge (obviously as in legal code as voted by legislature) and there are often outlined directly in the listing/balancing of aggravating and extenuating circumstances. That also can be considered somewhat subjective as it is under decision by an appointed judge. In… Read more »
I think you may be incorrect here. Those with experience can elaborate. Guilt upon conviction is considered “certain” in our legal system I fully agree. I just oppose this, at least a little. What I meant is we should take into consideration the level of confidence we can have in a conviction, and not just what crimes they are charged with. There are cases that are open and shut. Where we, as the public can have a 100% certainty that they got the right guy. Where the evidence is so overwhelming that it proves beyond the shadow of a doubt,… Read more »
“What I meant is we should take into consideration the level of confidence we can have in a conviction, and not just what crimes they are charged with.” I think I know where you are coming from, but in our “system” the jury decides upon the facts and the judge instructs in the law. Of course, you and I decry daily quality of the average American to make sound and thoughtful decisions, so what I say means little. The above however does not preclude a change of system. For example many countries have no jury, but rather a tribunal of… Read more »
“There are cases that are open and shut. Where we, as the public can have a 100% certainty that they got the right guy. Where the evidence is so overwhelming that it proves beyond the shadow of a doubt, as opposed to above a “reasonable” doubt.”
Why did OJ pop into my head.
A somewhat different angle on execution: a friend and I were discussing a nature doc on a giant man-eating crocodile in Africa. That is one scary and ugly guy, 20 feet of flesh eating reptile. We decided he would be the perfect executioner for traitors. Just pour them into his pond. Not how I’d like to go
You ever seen what a pig can do to a carcass not pretty…And you don’t have to travel across the pond to see justice done…
We seem to have any number of posts promoting torturous deaths for conviction. Really, that’s old thinking (IMHO). That went out with the Middle Ages and is somewhat what still holds us (death penalty advocates) today. Let the government be as efficient as possible in eliminating the undesirables rather than in extracting vengeance and I’ll be happy.
One thing you might talk me into is sterilizing a convicted criminal’s offspring—but hey, that’s just me. 😉
I hear you. I’m not really advocating either for pig or crocodile executioners. But in moments of anger one can dream a little 😉
Don’t put down (righteous) anger. It is often a better motivator than fear.
Hatred is the ultimate family value…
“…sterilizing a convicted criminal’s offspring…”
Now yer talkin’
Anyone interested in this should look at the case of Kevin Cooper and all the usual suspects trying to free him.
He has had puff pieces written about him in just about every major newspaper. This fine upstanding man put an axe into the heads of 3 children and 2 adults with one of the children surviving.
Much of the ennui regarding death penalty inmates stems from the facts that “out of sight, out of mind” incarceration is easy, but also because the vast majority of those on death row are there because they shot other scumbags…people who don’t matter. Still, it’s only a matter of time before a bereaved father, uncle, or brother who’s wife or daughter has been violated by a horrific crime takes matters into his own hands. Gerard Butler had a movie called “Law Abiding Citizen” that explored this. Pretty dark stuff, and frankly, I would’ve ended it differently. (I hasten to add:… Read more »
Law abiding citizen was such a pozzed movie that I can’t even rewatch it…
Better to hang 10 innocent men than let one guilty man go free. Seriously. At a macro policy level this is true. It is a eugenic and pro-civilizational policy.
Looking at the behavior of certain people, including all of our politicians, I am now firmly of the belief that it should be “guilty until proven innocent”.
No doubt that was part of Christianity for a while, with the entire “we’re all sinners’ thing.
Right, everyone is guilty until proven. You’re a politician? I am assuming you’re guilty of corruption until you prove your innocence.
Cop stops at a stranded car on the side of the highway, black guy in a hood stumbles towards him, cop asks “can I help you with that flat?” and dies horribly.
https://x.com/dom_lucre/status/1838723299167343021
Just another step down the road to Tyranny…
ZOGbot down.
The word “horrible” doesn’t seem to do justice to that video, but it’ll have to do. A vivid reminder of the horrors in human form who are out there. And why some kind of orderly policing is badly needed.
I’m convinced that Ed Dutton is right that we’re now seeing the results of a population which includes all sorts of damaged genetic material, which wouldn’t have survived long in previous times when there was stronger law and order, along with “harsh Darwinian conditions.”
that individual should not have done that to that other Individual….
snark alert!
I like to read Conservative Treehouse, but they get in on the game way too much…
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/09/22/biden-harris-inflation-continues-crushing-middle-class-only-donald-trump-has-the-policies-to-stop-it/#comments
and…
https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2024/09/20/kamala-harris-faces-the-problem-of-those-who-refuse-to-pretend/
are recent examples. I sometimes post links in the comments to The Magical Negro…
“they get in on the game way too much…”
That’s The Conservatard Treehouse for you. They proudly declare slavish faith in Romans 13:1-7 with their prayer candle, with their About page, and in “THE STILL HOUR” near the bottom of every page.
The people need to have low expectations for the indigenous militarists of (((Western))) civ. Those fake enemies of “hate and division” are enemies of “Truth” and “freedom” everywhere on Earth. They’re no better than the nazis who have a better understanding of European conservatardism than most commenters here.
They banned me many years ago. You cannot mention the JQ there, and they are the very essence of “brotherhood of man” churchianity.
“They” banned me just for pointing out that Trump sold some endorsements. I suspect the ban hammer would loom if you merely said he had some gray hairs.
They have lines. That’s fine. I’ve been happily surprised about how many of their commenters haven’t gone Israel-crazy. There’s a strident anti-endless-war base in the GOP right now. Pointing out that Israel is trying to drag us into a war with Iran is fine these days. Especially if pointed out in concert with Trump’s bilateral Abraham Accords. What’s going on in the M.E. now is just complete insanity, and I think conservatives have sniffed it out (like we did with Libya during the Obama years). It’s easy to forget, but the GOP House could not get Israel funding passed without… Read more »
The title of Z Man’s essay today is “The Only Solution,” yet the word “solution” does not appear in the text itself.
My best guess as to what his solution is: “What this tells us is we need to be executing many more black offenders, to not only get the current numbers in proportion to the well-known crime figures on murder, but to address the many years of discrimination against white murderers.”
Is that it?
Here is another thing to consider.
The costs of a death penalty trial and execution is in the millions of dollars vs hundreds of thousands to keep an inmate locked up for life.
Not only was the original victim murdered, but the lifetime economic productivity of another person was also completely destroyed in rendering justice.
That system can only be maintained provided crime rates remain low.
As much as I advocate killing murderers I have to agree that the way the death is administered in the USA is a wasteful farce, and would be best abolished.
Zulu, you are falling for it. These folks don’t give a hoot in hell for the poor sap on death row. These folk are nihilists bent on destroying the justice system. It is they who have made such punishment “cost ineffective” and it is they who—when the death penalty is deemed “cruel and unusual”—will then switch challenging the alternative punishments, such as “life without parole”.
These people will never stop until there is not such thing as an effective justice system.
[…] ZMan points the way. […]
Now do high school attendance rates and violent crime broken out by race. I’ll wait.
Those P Diddy black lives didn’t matter
“The point of the death penalty is to exact revenge, on behalf of society, on the person who committed the crime.” I don’t look at it that way. I look at it more like putting down a rabid Pitbull. It’s simply a being that is of no use to society and a menace to people just minding their own business. However, and my niece worked on the Innocence Project, there have been too many mistakes made along the way. 3,175+Exonerations since 1989 in the National Registry of Exonerations; 375 People exonerated through DNA evidence since 1989; 27,200+ Years exonerated people spent in… Read more »
Now calculate how may Years were lost because some murderer was allowed out to kill again. Those innocent men in jail are not choir boys, either.
No, they aren’t. But it’s wrong as a society to exterminate someone who isn’t guilty of what you are exterminating them for.
Nihilistic argument based upon emotion and an improper understanding of the Innocence Project, which has less to do with innocence than tying the system of justice into knots such that it can no longer function.
But than again this is a comment by Nick, so my comment in redundant.
It’s funny that you place so much faith in the people this crowd typically hates for taking the kind of ham handed government thuggery that this crowd typically hates. You just like the results, never mind the government running roughshod over people and the constitutional protections everybody has.
Do you know what an uphill battle an appeal is? Appeals courts are generally not flippant about changing the results of what happened in a trial court. The evidence, or lack thereof, or the lack of following proper procedure must have been pretty overwhelming for a case to be overturned.
That’s the way it should be. However in capital cases the verdict is not carried out, which is why the effect is minimal. In all other cases the verdict is some form of imprisonment, so in reality justice *is* being carried out while the case is disputed.
An interesting cocktail party conversation starter I use: Would you approve humane euthanasia for someone who after having been given 3 chances to rehabilitate themselves and having refused all three or returned to their old habits after 3 attempts to force them to change, knowing that they have cost society much more than they have contributed, and have physically damaged or injured every other person they have had contact with and will continue to do so if not removed? This would refer to chronic alcoholics, wife beaters, child molesters, habitual drug addicts, petty thieves, car thieves, bank robbers, home invaders,… Read more »
Can you re-read and edit your comment?
I believe you had good points to make but they are utterly lost in your typographical errors and incomprehensibly poor writing.
Was the number of people exonerated 3175 or 375?
Does the number 27,200 represent the number of people exonerated or the cumulative number of years persons wrongfully incarcerated spent behind bars?
Cut and pasted from another page and I’m working from a tablet. There is only so much I can do. The results would have been better with a keyboard but I’m not near a computer.
Exonerated 3175, 375 of them through DNA evidence.
By exonerated, which Nick does not define, he means that the evidence was most often so old that the convicts could not be retried and therefore were either allowed to be freed on time served or cop down to a lessor crime and sentence. He also does not take into account exactly why those convicted were accused in the first place. The assumption one is left with is some poor sap walking home from a good day’s work and being picked up at random. Nothing could be further from the truth. Of course, this in Nick, so that’s to be… Read more »
Yeah, that is exonerations for all crimes, not death row. Death row is 163 in 50+ years. I looked at a few, those are goofy technicalities that do not actually call into question actual guilt. Ive also seen PCR proceedings. It also does not account for racially-motivated political actions, e.g. the central park 5, who are plainly guilty but are “exonerated” as a political act of racial hostility..
So, now this crowd is for heavy-handed government?
Death penalty, yes, but there have also been numerous people exonerated for rapes and other such crimes. Imagine spending 30 years of the prime of your life in prison for a rape you didn’t commit. Every right minded person should be outraged. Or are all you guys now on the “a woman would never lie about sexual assault and should always be believed” bandwagon? The biggest outrage recently was the Amiraults in Massachusetts. The authorities, probably a bunch of pedos themselves, coached the kids into telling outrageous stories like being raped with knives. Gerald Amirault was railroaded by the “save… Read more »
Hard cases make bad law. Society, a functioning society, can never make decisions upon outlier cases, but on the typical or average case. Your thinking is nihilistic as there is never certainty in these matters, but for the most part—majority of cases—the appropriate verdict was returned and justice served. You let emotion lead you and that is the secret to the Leftist ascendency and the demise of this nation.
So you would KILL even though you know there is a certain element of uncertainty?
Spare me the pathos. You’ve gone on record saying you’d puree an infant in the womb just because its birth would inconvenience you. You don’t have the standing to sit in moral judgment of a tarantula.
That is before it is viable outside the womb. Once it’s viable, it’s a living being. But that’s neither here nor there. We’ve spent four years watching a movie where all kinds of people have been railroaded, including Trump. ESPECIALLY TRUMP. You were just treated to an illustration of the kinds of things DC and NYC juries pull, but it’s really all juries. Same with the “save the children” types in the Jerry Sandusky case. Never mind constitutional protections on Ex Post Facto laws, he’s a kiddy diddler! LOCK HIM UP! You’re going to trust THAT crowd to pass judgment… Read more »
Tempodick
“Society, a functioning society, can never make decisions upon outlier cases”
It has to. What it should not do is make policy based on outliers.
That might have been what you meant, but there is an important distinction. If for no other reason than in a white society, murder itself is an vanishingly rare outlier.
What you said is a better (more clear) statement of the point I intended to make. Thanks.
Central Park 5 is a poor “poster child” to point to. Best to research it some more.
I’d love a gulag. Somewhere in Alaska. Keep the really bad alive, three hots and a cot. But otherwise hard time. I know of a Texas case where they killed a retarted man. Because of that, I’m not a fan of the death penalty anymore, but the feds need a really bad prison out in the hinterlands that you’re sent to forever. If it’s found you’re innocent, fine, here’s a check and Bob’s your uncle.
I once saw a documentary on the supermax in CO. That sure looked like hell on earth. The rest of your life entombed in a concrete cell. Even the furniture was poured concrete. A giant zap or injection and then lights out, is probably far more humane than the neverending concrete box
“A giant zap or injection and then lights out, is probably far more humane than the neverending concrete box.”
Cheaper, too. I’m no fan of life sentences. Too damn expensive. And no more quick deaths. Bring back hanging. The method of hanging should comport with the severity of the crime.
Not necessarily. Work camps can turn a profit if done properly.
Personally, if some scumbag murdered one of mine, I’d prefer them to have to spend the rest of their miserable lives in pain and anguish, on a chain gang producing marketable goods to pay for their continued existence.
No drop through the trap for a merciful neck break – pulling them up to hang until expired.
I am almost as concerned by the thugs who operate these prisons. Managing prisoners who are living under drastic conditions day-to-day must draw psychopaths and eventually even strip them from any semblance of humanity. Yet their kids go to school with your children.
Not to mention who those people take their orders from; Garland, Harris, Killary etc
I had a late, law school (((mentor))). She shilled for Garland as SCOTUS Justice. I am an active SCOTUS trial bar member. I was having none of his nomination and this produced the fissure. I knew Garland had evil intent for me and mine. Fortunately poor (((genetics))) ended the pointless discussion in favor of colon cancer and resultant (((death))).
Vaxx death?
Cusp. Hypocondriac. I wrote (((her))) papers. She looked after me professionally. For decades. She was quite possibly a “beard” for her overtly queer husband. Academy is super seriously muffed up. I did what I felt requirednbut never took the ticket, nor has my wife. We’re clean enough, I pray.
This is why, in my imaginary more perfect world, the people who really deserve punishment are not killed. They are made to suffer.
Yes , execution is far more humane. That’s why it doesn’t bother me much when executions take such a long time. The death row inmate are in a living hell in my opinion. Typically 23 hour a day lock up. I have never ever understood why people fight so hard to avoid the death penalty knowing that life without parole is their choice.
This might *not* be as true as we are lead to believe. I remember waay back we had a fight here between the prison warden at the State prison where they housed the death row and the Governor about removing TV’s from the cells. The logic being that without the TV’s and other accoutrements, the prisoners would be too unmanageable and place the guards in danger. I can attest to a bit of supportive evidence as I personally know of a prisoner who was sentenced to 144 years (child molestation) whose first request of family was for funds to buy… Read more »
Humane bah, it’s supposed to be a punishment (That’s what penitent means, to regret your actions), so awful that once released they would never want to be sent there again
“A giant zap or injection and then lights out, is probably far more humane than the neverending concrete box”
And yet, one almost never hears of someone on death row asking to get it over with.
Perhaps they have an inkling of what’s coming after the giant zap…
McVeigh was one who stood out in that respect
It’s the typical argument that the anti-death penalty folks make. Don’t fall for it. The anti-death penalty folk clam that life in prison is harsher than the death penalty. Of course, they can never explain why every one of these murderers fights tooth and nail for a life sentence when the death penalty is on the table. There are few, very few cases, where the death penalty has been accepted by the convicted. Last case I remember was the Oklahoma City bomber, Timothy McVeigh, who carried out the bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City on… Read more »
There is nothing new under the sun.
Robert Anson Heinlein turned your idea into a short story in 1940: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coventry_(short_story).
Heinlein’s genius was that he just threw you right into the action, no preface or explanation, and let the reader figure it out the same as the characters. ‘Coventry’ is a stirling example, a bit of Papillon and Escape from New York, of Jack London and Snake Pliskin from what few shards I remember. (Thanks for the link, Mr. Xin)
“I know of a Texas case where they killed a retarded man.” No you don’t. You just read accounts by the liberal MSM. However, let’s put that aside and use some good old “critical thinking”. That many criminals are of sub-par intellect is not under debate. However, *criminals* of any race or intellectual category, are the minority of the populace. We have the overwhelming majority of people, say on the lower end of the left of the bell curve—10%, who are *not* violent criminals. They seem to be able to coexist within society without hurting others. What we expect of… Read more »
Arent homicidally violent retards one of the best cases for execution as a function of protecting society? They are incapable of reform and self control such that safe release is impossible, and confinement cannot be done humanely to the perp or safely for the guards… Leaving execution (or I suppose lobotomy or chemical coma) as the only workable result?
What, exactly, qualifies as retarded? The IQ number was long set at 85 but that was for white people. When it became understood that 85 is the average for Afericans the number was dropped accordingly because we must not make distictions. The fact is 75 is very retarded for a white. Noticably, in physical and verbal manifestations, but 90 is not. In Afericans 75 is near average so no retardation shows. One-eigth of Afericans are at 70. So you tell me what is too retarded to execute? Further, I have never known a highly retarded white man to be violent… Read more »
I worked with the severely retarded in a state dumping ground many years ago. They could definitely be violent. I’ll spare the details of what it was like beyond saying it was nightmarish.
You may disagree with her politics and she may not be the best looking woman in the world, but Elena Kagan is not a dumb lady. Nino Scalia greatly respected her intellect.
I see the buffoons on this page are downvoting me again for pointing out the truth when it doesn’t align with their narratives. Scalia even casually suggested she be appointed to the Supreme Court to officials of the Obama administration.
https://www.risch.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/2016/8/justice-elena-kagan-talks-about-her-warm-relationship-with-her-late-colleague-antonin-scalia
Your down votes are all of your own making. You might look into yourself before calling those who disagree with you, “buffoons”. As to Kagan, she is indeed not of minor intellect judging from her resume. However, I considered her not of SCOTUS caliber at the time of her nomination by Obama due to her having no judicial record by which to judge her judicial temperament. In other words, she checked a box as a woman, but not as a prior judge. This admonition would apply to other members of SCOTUS, but I don’t know of any currently serving. And… Read more »
When you downvote a FACTUAL statement because it does not agree with your worldview, that makes you a buffoon. Nino Scalia indeed recommended Kagan for a seat on the court. It was informal and no knowing how much effect it had, but he did have a lot of respect for her. The “wise Latina” is an ignoramus, we all know that. Not sure about the other one, but I’m sure she has decent academic credentials. But Kagan is solid, whether you agree with her or not. The thing I hate most is echo chambers. If someone from the other side… Read more »
“Nino Scalia indeed recommended Kagan for a seat on the court.”
Yeah, I remember my first beer.
He did. I heard him say it himself. I think it was a C-SPAN interview.
I call BS. The SCOTUS is particularly admonished/careful to *not* make political recommendations. Scalia was a man of integrity. I defy you to present any citation that he or any other SCOTUS seated member involved themselves in Obama’s recommendation or the Senate confirmation process wrt Kagan. It is however noted that prior to the nomination Scalia and Kagan had a professional relationship of what we might term mutual respect—but that is *not* a recommendation for the office and preceded her nomination. You continue to tout (double down) on your “factual” comments—which are anything, but factual—and rudely refer to those calling… Read more »
You just outed yourself as being a member of the buffoonery. I also heard Scalia say this in person, on TV. No bullshit comes from me. When I say something I post is factual, it is factual. “… He wasn’t done. Leaning forward, as if to share a confidential thought, he tried again. “Let me put a finer point on it,” the justice said, in a lower, purposeful tone of voice, his eyes fixed on mine. “I hope he sends us Elena Kagan.” I was surprised that a member of the court would so bluntly propose a nominee, and intrigued… Read more »
Continued … “… Each was a graduate of Harvard Law School and had taught at the University of Chicago Law School, though in different eras. They were of different generations, he the son of an Italian immigrant, she a Jew from New York City’s left-leaning West Side. But they shared an intellectual rigor and a robust sense of humor. And if Scalia could not have a philosophical ally in the next court appointee, he had hoped, at least, for one with the heft to give him a good, honest fight. Kagan didn’t get that nomination. The President instead chose Sonia… Read more »
Yep, if true this was an error on Scalia’s part. However, we have an “he said, she said” situation. A columnist from a Lib news agency makes himself an unsupported claim of a private “dinner conversation”. This you believe as factual. I am skeptical. But either way, it is rumor, not fact. It would not even hold up in court being hearsay.
As I told you, I heard Scalia say it himself on one of those interview shows or maybe at one of those lectures you can find on YouTube. I don’t see anything wrong with it. All he is saying is, take a look at this person. That’s the way the world works. But the point still is that he did have respect for her.
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