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The American civil war created an intellectual problem for both sides that was far more important than the issue of slavery. The 19th century was the age of nationalism and national liberation in Europe. These ideas made their way to America and fit in neatly with the American sense of self. After all, the United States was the result of a revolt against an empire in the name of national liberation. The war between the North and South, therefore, was also a war over nationalism.
By default, the South had the better claim. It was the South, after all, seeking to secede from the Union to create a new nation that would better serve the interests of the people of the South. The North was trying to prevent this from happening and willing to conquer the people of the South to do it. From a nationalist perspective, the South was the sympathetic side, even though they were also fighting for the right to maintain the institution of slavery.
A solution to this problem that evolved in the North was the argument that true nationalism was comprehensive. That is the nationalist loved all of his country and all of his people, so a nationalist government must serve and protect everyone. Since the South was not a different people and the Union was not abandoning them in the way the crown had abandoned the colonies in the runup to the Revolution, it was the South that was in violation of the nationalist ideal
Further, the evolving sense of Northern nationalism claimed that the national purpose of America from the start was to spread liberty around the world. America was the city on the hill, so to speak, that stood as an example of freedom craving nationalists around the world, so what the South was doing was a threat to that project and therefore a threat to the national purpose. American nationalism, unlike that of Europe, was a revolutionary nationalism to free all of mankind.
In fairness, these debates about the nature of American nationalism were not at the center of the dispute, but they played a role in shaping how the new intellectual class would define American identity after the war. Those arguing in favor of the war being a new founding are not entirely wrong. The country that emerged after the war was completely different from what existed prior to the war. It was not just free of slaves, but full of a sense of national purpose.
In his book After Nationalism, Samuel Goldman describes the three forms of national identity that have prevailed in America. Goldman comes up with three national identities he calls the Covenant, the Crucible, and the Creed. The Covenant is the sense of national purpose. The Crucible is the old melting pot story popular in the 20th century after the war. The Creed is the idea of America being a set of ideas, rather than a physical place or people.
It is a good book that offers a useful way of framing the main ways in which Americans have tried to create a unitary identity. Goldman does observe that it is the covenantal aspect of American identity that has been the most powerful, but he does not get into how this Puritan sensibility evolved in the 19th century during the Civil War to become a civic religion for the ruling elite. He does not mention how the Jewish concept of Tikkun Olam blended into this as Jews took up posts in the elite.
This understanding of American identity, or the best effort at forging one, is essential to understanding the current crisis. For over a century, since Woodrow Wilson, America has been on a mission to heal the world. The ruling class has asked, often demanded, that the people put aside their regional and local concerns for the good of one great cause after another. It has become so ingrained in ruling class thinking that they seem incapable to thinking about the state of the country.
Strip away the panic, the hysteria and the outlandish claims and the coming election is about whether we care more about the fate of Mongolian transgender lesbians or the fentanyl epidemic in Appalachia. Do we care more about the abstract concept of climate change or addressing the slow collapse of our infrastructure? What counts for more as an American? The health of your neighbors or the plight of migrants? Will we sacrifice everything in a vain attempt to save the world?
All these questions stem from a growing doubt in this sense of American identity that has been with us since Gettysburg. Americans are increasingly wondering not only if the cost of saving the world is worth the effort, but if it makes any sense at all for us to stand astride the world, balances in our hand. Maybe the people who demand we do this do not have the right to judge the world. Maybe these people lack the moral standing to stand in judgement over us as well.
Fundamentally, the current crisis is about the covenant. If our national purpose is to be the city on the hill, then we must ensure that the city is not full of vagrants and racked with crime and corruption. If our national purpose is to heal the world, then we must first heal ourselves. On the other hand, maybe our national purpose was to avoid falling for these claims and instead focusing on creating a society in the wilderness, away from the entanglements of the old world.
No matter how one seeks to frame it, the struggle today is over our national purpose, a struggle between those who stubbornly cling to the last century and those looking ahead to the next century. The question is whether America will collapse in a heap, exhausted from trying to save the world or will we pull up, realize our folly and return to a sense of purpose rooted in simply being an example to the world? Will we attempt to heal ourselves with the same zeal with tried to heal the world?
It could also be that all these efforts at national identity have failed and what comes next is the great disaggregation. Perhaps it was always impossible to forge an American identity that could permanently hold the people together. Maybe in the end, we learn that the true American identity is no identity at all. We are simply a diverse collection of people who agree to cooperate, when necessary, but otherwise we prefer to leave the world alone and be left alone.
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“Covenant, the Crucible, and the Creed”
Well folks, the fourth “C” is the Currency. America now is just a dollar bill rammed up the rears of the world by NGOs, the US Air Force and the SWIFT system. At home, America is a marketplace run by Elites whose cartels – banking, sickcare, internet/technology – maintain hegemony through surveillance and the importation of savages. Abroad, our dollars make the world safe for Israel, technology cartels and gay sex. There’s no Covenant because there’s no people; no Crucible because savages don’t assimilate; no Creed because a dollar is nihilistic.
Amen. Well said, Sir.
Best post of the week. Exactly right.
“Is” and “Was”. Recall that a big reason the Articles of Confederation were scrapped was because there was no central authority to issue currency (the horror!). Certainly the thought of the fate of the currency was a big driver for the Civil War as well.
The problem with American society is nobody knows what the fuck it even is anymore. The culture seems to be nigs and fags making monkey noises on the screens and jumping on and burning cars irl. Not to mention preying on our young and eviscerating them. Oh boy do they love that, White people made them poor and stupid you see. If not for us, they would be living in Wakanda apparently. Most of them seem to believe this. It’s insane. And the “Pride Parades”…. fucking child sacrifice rituals. A pedo who shakes his fucking dick at a child in… Read more »
The people demanding we save the world absolutely have on moral right to judge the world, or us. We used to have a national identity of sorts, with regional flavors, when the country was 90% White, but that’s out the window now. The best we can probably hope for now is a region or two that can duplicate that figure. I doubt there’ll be much cooperation as well. The leadership over the past couple hundred years has really screwed the pooch and the great American experiment is over.
The people demanding we save the world largely arrived in America between 1880 and 1914. They managed to usurp control of government and the institutions from the country’s WASP elites during the latter half of the 20th century. They comprise 80 percent of senior officials in the outgoing Biden administration, and a tribesman is currently heading up the transition team selecting prospective appointees for Trump.
I was in Greece a month ago with the wife, and went on tour to Delphi. The tour guide asked where we all were from, and our ancestry. After the all of the damned Yankee tourists said where they were from and that they were either Irish or Italian, I stated that I am from the Great and Sovereign state of Tennessee and that my ancestors came from Virginia. The tour guide was confused and the rest of the little busload of tourists shifted a little uncomfortably. The communal “Trump is Evil hahaha” chatter stopped though. How did they know?
Those “nation of immigrants” pseudo-Yankees probably never met a genuine heritage American before. One of the many reasons we moved to the Ozarks was to live amongst heritage Americans. And my husband (half Italian half Irish) is on record stating the smartest thing any of his ancestors ever did was move to what used to be America. He has no other allegiances, unlike too many immigrant descendants.
Those allegiances to the old country of immigrant descendants are because there is no new country. Just an Idea of a country. They celebrate their Irish roots, German, whatever because thats how they get around the anti-White culture of FUSA. There is no White America. But there is sorta this White Ireland or White Germany thing that goes without saying. Its always about NOT saying. Over time of not saying, people just stop knowing. Part of the 23andme trick was clever to propagate this notion implanted during the long march. Not only is FUSA a “nation of immigrants”, a “melting… Read more »
My father professed likewise. Iagreed.
I get alot of angry soy faces when I state that I am Canadian. And I am not ashamed of it. White shitlibs are mad that I don’t apologize or have some other identity, like 25% Irish, a fag, 1% native, whatever. Rootless immigrants are mad that I actually feel Canadian, because they don’t, and they never can, and never will. It’s not a lie. I feel very Canadian. And I am. Because a Canadian is an Anglo -Saxon settler. Similar to a Tennessean. We are different , and we refuse to assimilate, and there’s nothing they can do about… Read more »
Ahem, they were here before 1881.
78% of them owned slaves, remember?
Quite right. Monticello was preserved by a successful Jew who bought it from Jefferson’s bankrupt estate. I guess my point was that Jewish immigrants from the Pale of Settlement were sufficiently great in number and socially active enough that they upended the politics of heretofore Anglo-dominated America. Though it could be argued that their brethren who arrived in the 1930s were also important in that respect.
Being left alone, Whites will create healthy and prosperous societies again. What has to be different this time though, is to erase the brainwashing and indoctrination, and become more hardened and less gullible to guilt and the lies of equality.
There’s no better teacher than a punch to the face. Whites (or some of us) will learn.
We’ve been a collective heavy bag for the last 60 years. And it’s getting mighty late in the game to start learning the obvious.
Our castoffs are meant to be the Uplift to others. Would that they would stop clinging, and go.
This is the amoral nature of the Sporing; to us, it seems cruel, and it is, but it is the harsh necessity of the Design.
You are right except we’re not going to be left alone for the rest of this century. I think we’re going to have to stand up for our right to have our own communities and schools even if the country is full of non-whites.
Whites have no innate rights in AINO other than those permitted by the massive non-White world that has now squeezed in with us. White schools and communities in a non-White country? I think Whites will be lucky to have an Orania if we depend on “standing up for our rights” in a multiracial entity. Genuinely standing up means having our own country, not living at non-white ‘sufferance.’
Not sure we want an Orania. My reading on such from SA’ers is it’s really intended to be a modern “Masada”. A prepared stronghold to flee to when the Blacks finally implement the “final solution”. The hope being that the rest of the world will come to the rescue of the remaining Whites who retreat there if they can buy time.
“The hope being that the rest of the world will come to the rescue of the remaining Whites who retreat there if they can buy time.”
Ha ha. You can’t be serious.
Well, yes on the hope of White SA’ers, but no I don’t think they’ll get that help. And to tell the truth, better to die fighting the savages—more power to them—but they’d be better off to take Putin up on his immigration offer (see recent news of such).
They certainly would be better off taking up that offer. Hell, if he made such an offer to traditionalists in AINO, I’d consider it very strongly. But our situation isn’t quite as dire as the white SAs. When the savages begin closing in on the last bastion of whites in SA, the western Power Structure will air lift packages of salt, pepper, bay leaves and oregano for the canibals’ cauldrons.
Agree we don’t want an Orania – that’s why I said that genuinely standing up doesn’t mean having our own communities and schools but rather our own country. No compromises.
You aren’t allowed into Orania unless you are specifically Boer and of their particular church denomination.
I remember the ridicule of Orania at first, battered tin-and-scrap shacks, with barefoot children in rags playing in bleak rivulets.
How far they have come…I cannot help but tear up with pride and gratitude at how noble my People are.
Rights only come when you can enforce those said Rights…So the question is do we as Whites want to have the Power to enforce our Rights to Life…At the moment it’s looking like no we don’t want that…
Good advice.
The Civil War was about slavery the same way the 2nd Iraq War was about ‘weapons of mass destruction’. It was not the reason the war was started, but the fig leaf of propaganda necessary to get the poorly informed fighting men to kill and die in it. No, I am not a ‘Southern Apologist’. All my ancestors fought for the evil ‘Union’ because they were poorly informed. They were used like food animals, and their suffering and death destroyed the old republic and instantiated an empire which, while a net force for good in spite of their numerous failings,… Read more »
In the fullness of time, I think we call the Civil War the “War For American Identity.” There was a long and public debate about nationalism in the 19th century that greatly informed the principals on both sides. Long ago I said that the current crisis is really just a long delayed addressing of issues left unaddressed after the war. Not the least of which was the reintegration of elites outside the North into the national elite.
The struggle of the immediate future will be a likely futile effort to prevent the exodus of the toys of the Northern elite–the financial markets, corporate headquarters, brain-filled Ivies. Sure, there will be zombie versions–Harvard campus is not a proposition university, nor is Lower Manhattan a proposition financial zone, in that they have a physical presence–but shells likely are the future there. Atomization was impossible to confine to the lumpenproletariat and that appears to be accelerating.
In the meantime, America absorbed a bunch of new elites. Well, elites is the wrong word. The right word is vying factions who hold power. Having power and being elite are not the same though not mutually exclusive. In any case, we continue to absorb even more new ethnic power factions. The first set got the GAE to secure them a land. The new sets come from gargantuan countries that are emerging empires in their own right. If the Yankees and the Cavaliers could never mend it and share power, how are at least 6 distinct ethnic/racial factions going to… Read more »
I don’t think anyone here would call you a “Southern apologist.” This isn’t that kind of website.
The presidential election in a nutshell.
The people behind Harris represent the Jew/WASP (mostly Jewish, let’s be honest) elite’s desire, dare I say need, to tell the world how to act, whether we or their Levant cousins act that way or not, while, simultaneously, disregarding, if not disdaining, actual Americans and their problems.
Trump and Vance represent the desire to turn our gaze homeward and try to make what’s left of America a better place. (Granted, both will back Israel unconditionally, but, well, breaking that link is a bridge way too far at this moment.)
Boomer cope.
Sad!
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“[America] has, in the lapse of nearly half a century, without a single exception, respected the independence of other nations while asserting and maintaining her own. She has abstained from interference in the concerns of others… Wherever the standard of freedom and Independence, has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad, in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will recommend the general cause by the countenance… Read more »
New Englander Adams and Cavalier Washington agreed on that vision…but their vision of a non-interventionist America was rapidly subverted by the bankers and industrialists…
The founders and early National period leaders and thinkers were, as it turns out, pretty smart guys. Now our relations with the rest of the world are defined by vengeful idiots still seething over the Pale of Settlement.
My god how far we have fallen.
Well that’s a whole lot of ‘she’s’, John Quincy.
Lady Libertas — Columbia herself — already securely ensconced.
Columbia and her sheaves of wheat has been with us since the dawn of irrigated agriculture and masoretic civilization.
Oh, at least. Catal Huyuk, Venus figurines . . . goes way back. She gets re-invented every couple hundred years.
man called adams living in north america boasting about how the us is not an empire.
it is to laugh.
didn’t much respect the native nations .
Gerontonious–is that e’Bonic for Geronimo?
Ebonic for Gerontius. Promising young Newman Scholar.
It’s been widely documented and discussed that Colonial America was settled by different groups from different parts of Britain, Scotland and Ireland, often with radically different political ideas…The Puritans who settled New England and the Cavaliers who settled tidewater Virginia were never going to agree on many things..and the Scots-Irish in the mountains weren’t going to agree with either..When Andrew Jackson became President, the wealthy Puritans and their banker allies were furious, and vowed never to allow such un-anointed interlopers again…Ultimately, the Civil War was a fight between the Puritans, Jews and their allies in the industrial north against the… Read more »
Jews were an ally of the North? You might consider their role in the institution of Southern slavery, as well as their more recent conduct in the alliance between America and their ethnostate in the Middle East. Or just read 1 Thessalonians 2:15.
Jewish bankers in New York and Boston financed the slave trade and sometimes even owned the slave ships…They didn’t care about slavery, having controlled the white slave trade in Europe for millennia…For them, the Civil War was for control…
They were market-makers in the South—just as on Wall Street today—to the extent that the slave auctions were forced to close on Jewish holy days. I reject the term “ally.” North or South, they cared only for their own. Niggling aside, I wholeheartedly concur with everything in your post.
Opposing factions in Britain supported either Industrialism in the North with Irish and Slavic labor, or control of the textile industry in the South under the Tudor system of raw goods out, manufactured products in. The completion of the Transcontinental Railroad in 1869 was what I think some were trying to prevent, as British schemes have long depended on hindering their global trade competitors. Russia, Germany, and Japan lit up with the idea of rail corridors inside their nations boosting industrialization after the Golden Spike was driven. Eventually this led to MacKinder’s fear that land rail would connect the oceans… Read more »
Yep. Judah P. Benjamin was basically the #2 man in the Confederacy right behind Jeff Davis:
Judah P. Benjamin – Wikipedia
It’s always been the Jewish strategy to be on both sides of every issue.
Jews are not a monolithic hivemind. Ashkenazi banksters (with gold from Europe and an eye to profiting off of industrialization) certainly played a role in the ‘North’ but the ‘South’ had about 20% of their slaves owned by Sephardim. different ricebowls -> different alliances made with different foolish goyim Just like 1942 American coasts were the ‘happy hunting ground’ for U-boats because of our ruling classes’ inability to shift easily to wartime thinking, the social and political structures that America was started with made America the ‘happy hunting ground’ for the IJ, with our then WASP ruling class completely unable… Read more »
Perhaps FDR giving 50 US destroyers to British under the “lend-lease plan” didn’t help with our protection of the Eastern coast?
‘selling’ under lend lease.
The Great W.C. bankrupted us in order to pay up. I believe we finished paying in the 1980s.
Lending war material was a bit like lending chewing gum, you don’t want it back, as on politician pointed out at the time.
“at the end everyone reconciled” My Grandfather, born 1903, would have vociferously disagreed with that statement.
Yeah, I caught that too. I was going to pick apart a lot of overbroad generalizations, but then I decided not to bother.
“Maybe in the end, we learn that the true American identity is no identity at all. We are simply a diverse collection of people who agree to cooperate,…” How is this even a question? We were *never* quite a people—as in “blood and soil”. Things held together fairly well however because we *were* a European nation. Nations of Europe had much shared history since the Romans. Conflicts sure, but much inherited history, experience, and values in common—not to say the least was universal Christianity and the common morality stemming from that belief system. That all went away—well, we threw it… Read more »
As one self-proclaimed internet oracle has nonetheless correctly said, America and the modern notion of Western Civilization were a three-legged stool: Heirs of Greek and Roman thought, Christianity, and White people. Each element is insufficient by itself but utterly vital for the final product. That is why all the non-Whites now in AINO are destroying it – they lack one or more of those foundations.
Well, I wish the gods would get the ball rollin’.
I think we had an identity. The USA in the 20th century was a melting pot of predominantly Christian diaspora predominantly from Northern Europe and what used to be the Roman Empire and its frontiers. Then the powers that be twisted that into a melting pot of all of humanity when they ran out of slave labor peasants from war devastated Europe who wanted to resettle here. Like I have been saying lately, human exploitation is the American way. Whether it’s slaves, cheap immigrant labor, illegals or offshoring all of our dirty work that gives you cancer to Nike factories… Read more »
It never ceases to amaze that when TempoNick posts—even a well reasoned opinion as in the above, down votes pour in…and I’m his greatest detractor!
I don’t particularly agree with the above, but there was a point to it. Remove the wording wrt “America” and replace it with Capitalism and such conclusion becomes more understandable.
What do you have against what I wrote? That’s essentially true isn’t it? That is, unless you want to limit the definition of an “American” to the people used to lynch our people down south?
It’s never been framed as exploitation, but isn’t that what it is? We’ve always had illegals and looked the other way except for a brief interlude during the Eisenhower administration. Same with low wage immigrants, slaves, people sniffing carcinogenic solvents for 25 cents a day while gluing your Air Jordans together, etc.
This is why you get downvotes, you can’t even accept a compliment without being defensive and argumentative . That’s the sign of a weak mind.
I also think Nick is basically correct here. The closest America ever came to a common identity was in the post-war years, 1945-1965. In a country that was 85 % White and 90% Christian, a more or less unitary culture developed based around victory, prosperity and progress (generically defined technologically and socially). It was shaped by mass media, which had not yet fractured into niches, creating widely shared cultural touchstones and assumptions. Above all, it was confident in itself, believing it had broken the cycles of history, and was a model for the rest of the world. That last bit… Read more »
I’m not convinced that all this talk about freedom and liberty and saving the world wasn’t just a cynical way to play the American people. Was it ever about that, or was it about opening the door so that private interests can loot and pillage to their hearts content? I just look at what happened after the Soviet Union fell. Oh, sure, the US government didn’t didn’t pillage after the USSR fell, but our oligarchs sure did. In fact, the fact that Putin put a stop to it is probably why they hate him so much.
Well, Woodrow Wilson believed his own bullshit. I can’t understand how he got so many other people to believe it, though.
I’ll have some hope when the next actor/politician/talking head gets laughed out of the room and fired for gross incompetence when they unironically utter the words:
”Diversity is our strength!”
(Then forcibly and permanently relocated to experience “strength” good and hard first hand)
Granted I don’t consume a lot of msm, but it’s been a long time since I’ve heard anybody say it
It’s not enough to be passively “anti-diversity.”
You must be actively “anti-diversity.”
I favor taking pictures of license plates of citizens pickup up illegals outside of Home Depot for a “quick job” and posting them on the internet.
The rulers of the empire do have a fairly consistent set of core values easily discerned by their actions. These may be taken as what are The American Core Values, what you stand for when you serve these rulers. 1.) Anti-White Christian : This is the number one core value of the regime, the foundation upon which all other core values are articulated and expressed in the way the rulers rule. If it is true that defining your primary political raison d’etre in negative terms with respect to another group, i.e. an enemy, makes you in turn a slave to… Read more »
“Anti-White Christian” … I think it is secular do-gooderism grafted onto hedonism. They take the do-gooder aspects of religion and boot away the parts that require personal responsibility and delay of gratification.
Not sure there is any inconsistency there. To “do good” in the American creed is to be guided by the principles above.
If you think that all we face is “secular do-gooderism grafted onto hedonism,” I wonder how you overlook the obvious hatred of non-traditional whites held by our elites and many non-whites.
There is a hostility, a desire to dispossess if not exterminate, that “secular do-gooderism grafted onto hedonism” fails to explain.
“Do we care more about the abstract concept of climate change or addressing the slow collapse of our infrastructure?” I see this from a slightly different perspective—say the 10,000 ft level. Pol’s talk about these “adventures” and it is to their advantage to have them as far away and abstract as possible. Climate change vs infrastructure is an excellent example. Simply put, even the dumbest rube can tell whether or not you have improved the infrastructure to his benefit, and then vote you out of office when he finds himself the victim of traffic jams, brownouts, and food shortages. On… Read more »
Compsci,
Well put. It seems as though everything pols waffle on about now, for years, has been ‘abstract and distant’; whereas most folks want issues that are ‘concrete and local’ dealt with.
Not sure I’ll be caring about ‘going green’ when a neighbourhood of Tyrones are stalking me every time I have to walk to work. I wonder what the carbon footprint of a jogger knife attack is? Presumably lower than one using a firearm.
Aye. I’m far more concerned with going white than going green.
“We are simply a diverse collection of people who agree to cooperate, when necessary, but otherwise we prefer to leave the world alone and be left alone.”
Sign me up. I got another earful of Condi Rice on a podcast this weekend. The meddlers always put it as a binary choice: Endless meddling, or isolationism. They lack the imagination or the honesty to admit that America should mind it’s own business, and that includes actively engaging with other countries to advance the interests OF ITS OWN CITIZENS.
That last bit seems to plumb evade them.
Condi rice – neocon in blackface. She may have studied Russia but she learned NOTHING.
The SAY they want to “heal the world” but our elites want to RULE the world and strip-mine it for every last asset, like they tried to do to Russia in the 1990s. Just my 2 cents.
Now, now. That would be like cutting down vast swathes of old-growth forest so they can put up solar panels and carbon sequestrestation mills. They’re, umm, improving nature!
Part of healing the world entails wiping out the White European Peoples of the world.
I think the remedy is far, far simpler than most people realize. And it is embodied in the first words spoken by Trump after the assassin’s rifle bullet clipped his ear in Butler, PA. “Fight, Fight, Fight!” That is the true American spirit and purpose. We fight, we overcome obstacles, we prevail or die trying. The enemy is within and they are few in number. Our task is clear. Put your fist in the air. Duty calls.
As Pogo said, “we have met the enemy and he is us”. In short, the enemy is not few in number—if we consider the number of “bad whites” we need to contend with. If not for those folk, we’d not be in the present predicament.
The people you speak of are useful idiots and a lot of blood must be shed if we prioritize them. Smarter is to focus on the root of the problem first. That example will motivate a fast change in the behavior of the cowardly sycophants that currently afflict our society and culture. And how we got here is not the issue. It’s about what we now do about it that matters.
The bad Whites will stop you, as they have stopped us in every single corrective process undertaken/proposed. That is why they must be included. If they simply sat on the side lines and allowed those interested “others” to fight it out, then yeah—concentrate on those others.
It’s obvious the self-hating whites/Puritans have been, are now, and will be in the future the primary problem. Finish them off and life becomes far easier.
“The question is whether America will collapse in a heap, exhausted from trying to save the world or will we pull up, realize our folly and return to a sense of purpose rooted in simply being an example to the world?” The USA has been comprehensibly taken over by foreign interests, see the 65 or so standing ovations in the Capitol building to the man the Speaker of the House refers to as “His Excellency.” So at this point it is impossible to pull up because Americans interested in the survival of America are not in control of things. At… Read more »
A mere upvote seems inadequate to express my agreement.
As anectodal support for your point, I mention my brother, a guy who loves old America, who repeats to me all that he’s heard from Ben Shapiro about Israel’s alleged victories as if these were victories for him and his people. I am dumbstruck.
I have neighbors who are nice Christian people. When we discuss Israel they remind me that the Bible says we must “Stand with Israel.” I ask them pointedly if they stand by Israel when they bomb hospitals and shoot children in the head. Or do they stand with them when their political figures, to great public acceptance, state that it would be best to just stave everyone in Gaza to death.
Their reply is always something along the lines of “Well there is evil in the world but we must still stand by Israel God tells us so.”
I think this is giving The Regime too much credit. All of this stuff is just a thin veneer for global domination. The purpose of The Regime is twofold: Create a global shopping mallDominate and rule the global shopping mall by any means necessaryI drive by the mosques that dot the landscape and remember that, “We must fight them over there so we don’t have to fight them here”, didn’t last for a minute after it was uttered. I drive through the endless ethnic colonies that have taken over our cities: A historic town with its signs commemorating Independence War… Read more »
A people who think they are an idea are like a maniac who thinks he can fly and tries to prove it by jumping off a cliff. Different scales, similar delusions, similar outcome
Creedal Crazies, they are…
Paging Ben Shapiro!
The original City on the Hill concept was that the USA would serve as an example for other nations. It was eventually perverted into a type of imperialism, in which the USA would impose its own City on the Hill concept on other nations. This type of imperialism is a rationale for endless war and the deleterious baggage that goes with it. Ironically, it has also helped turn the USA into a country nobody would want to emulate, not to mention the grave harm it has caused other nations.
America has what used to be called “leadership quality.” That phrase seems to have fallen out of the language. It’s called “moral authority” now. (That’s a change from WASP to Jew.) The core of it is being an extremely weird deluded asshole who’s a danger to everyone. America is the empire of that. Passing judgment or issuing a command causes a leader to believe it. That’s what leadership is, what ineffably separates rulers (sociopaths) from us (victims). Being baffling/inaccessible to normal people—thwarting our logic and judgment—is how leadership works. Newsy example: Hillary, intelligence, MSNBC et al., contrary to literally all… Read more »
Speaking of hoaxes, look at how effectively the current, “Norks in Kursk OMG!!” hoax has the GAE on track to escalate and widen the war.
As I read Z Man’s explanations of the Covenant, the Crucible, and the Creed national identities, I find myself thinking that these identities do not best explain the present.
Somewhere along the way, the primary motivation of our elites became dispossessing the traditional white people of the USA. Z Man gets at this when he observes that “the coming election is about whether we care more about the fate of Mongolian transgender lesbians or the fentanyl epidemic in Appalachia.”
When did the primary motivation of our elites become anti-traditional white? When the white working class voted for Reagan?
When our elites were majority jewish is when that took place…
This sentiment developed in tandem with the so-called “civil rights movement” and continues apace to this day. And, of course, postmodern cultural relativism gave the development a tremendous fillip by depreciating western civilization and transfiguring negroid savagery. Alas, rather than leveling at a stable “equality,” this development morphed into out-and-out negro supremacy and flagrant anti-white racism. And here we are.
Wowser, those blessings just keep on coming!
When did the primary motivation of our elites become anti-traditional white? When the white working class voted for Reagan? Some of it is the residue of the elite replacement concept of the Norman Conquest, or at least an attempt to emulate it, so it was present even before the nation’s beginning. From the outset attempts were made to stratify classes in a similar fashion, even though in the American case out of whole cloth. If anything it was far worse in Australia, where debauched and deracinated aspirants to nobility–some once part of it, even–released foxes and ran them with hounds… Read more »
The sad fact about Australia is that the best of them all was (IKAGO trigger warning) Sir John Monash — even allowing for (((inevitable post facto hagiography))). There simply are and were no truly great (*) Australians. If they had potential for greatness they or their ancestors either emigrated to the USA or Canada or stayed put in the Old Country and climbed the greasy pole. It’s just not a place to breed greatness — look what 40K years’ residence did to the Abos. It is, however, if managed properly a nice spot for mellowing out and not having delusions… Read more »
Come for the death adders; stay for the funnel web spiders!
What about us blood and soil nationalists? You never hear that. We’re out here. It just kind of happens after enough time.
They’re just called “nationalists”. It’s pretty well understood the identified natioanlists were majorly native born citizens. “Blood and soil” is therefor redundant.
Tut, tut! Civic nationalists insist on the right to vacay back to the home country to visit their families.
In The Revolution of 1861, the author discusses the North justification for war. A big idea was the fight against the Southern landed aristocracy. They viewed the plantation economy as denying the white working class freedom to own their labor. The North was keeping the1848 revolutionary flame alive. In that sense, too the North thought they were re-fighting a failed international revolution.
Many failed revolutionaries from 1848 (like Carl Schurz) came here to light the flames of civil war. In the film “Ride with the Devil” (Ang Lee), based on the novel “Woe to Live On,” the main character in Missouri is the son of a German immigrant who joins the Bushwhackers, to the consternation of his father, who tries to send him to St. Louis to avoid the war. The son tells the father he has no intention of hiding out in St. Louis with the other “Lincoln lovers” — and his father is later killed by a Union soldier from… Read more »
A good essay. I learned things. ‘but he does not get into how this Puritan sensibility evolved in the 19th century during the Civil War to become a civic religion for the ruling elite.’ The years around the bellum stoke requisite Nationalist fervor in the North, while puritan and rogue-Quaker sensibilities meld with emerging tikkun olam inflations of a salvationist global mandate. Morning of the Day of the Expanding Man. During this period also, both the female-dominated, occultic Spiritualist Movement and the Seneca Falls Convention (1848) added to the nannyist ecstasies that finally resolved in Progressivism. Tikkun olam is rabbinically… Read more »
Odd how all the 10,000 books of the full Pharisaic Talmud are legalistic decisions not to comply with Mosaic Law, but how to get around it.
Driving it all is the unstated foundation that the Creation-made world is lacking, that clever tricks and shortcuts are always to prove how the bright boys can do things better.
Mere material quality of life is not enough. It’s like a woman driven by her monthly cycle; for one week a month, she wants to change everything. Then, when the mindless throb has eased, she tells the men to put it all back.
On the podcast Z linked, he refers to present day Obama as “like seeing a child actor grown up.” Brilliant. I have been trying to come up with an apt description, and things like “has-been” have fallen short. Yes, Obama is Baby Jane.
Great stuff on that episode, Z.
The Woeful Years.
If Ostei shows us the Home Alone kid, i will pass out from fright.
Ye gods, what happened to that one.
I thought about it but didn’t because I didn’t want to frighten our younger posters.
So this is the answer to the mystery of Obama’s past. He was a pale faced Jewish child actor until he tried out for the “first Black Presnit” role.
“Maybe in the end, we learn that the true American identity is no identity at all.”
That’s my humble opinion. If Martin Armstrong’s prognosis is correct, the USA will splinter into three or more autonomous regions by 2032. Certainly the country — rather, the empire — is in “phase change” mode right now.
But what happens when empire dissolve into nation states (e.g., the way the Ottoman empire became the ethnonationalist Turkey)? Ugo Bardi sketches some of the implications here:
https://senecaeffect.substack.com/p/natural-born-killers-the-curse-of
Descendants of the people who founded the American nation are a small minority today. I think the shaky American identity is linked to the constant flux of newcomers
At the extreme, what’s the “identity” of the people passing through grand central terminal? It is so meaningless even the question is senseless
Which is ultimately no identity at all. Which is why there is no longer an American nation, merely an economic zone. A third-world, third-rate motel bought by the Patels, and run by them to take the cash profits for use among their own people. If Whites don’t accept their racial identity, they won’t have any identity left – along with no history or culture or national homeland.
If Whites don’t accept their racial identity, they won’t have any identity left – along with no history or culture or national homeland.
They won’t even be alive if they don’t Sister…Did you see what was posted up in Germany…
The poster appeared in Dortmund, Germany.
“Integrate yourself, white woman. This is no longer your country and never will be again. Dress with respect for other cultures and be aware of religious feelings of discriminated minorities.”
(A mohammed on one side, a full burkha on the other, both staring at the Nordic fantasy blonde in the middle.)
**spits on hands, hoists the black flag and cries “havoc”**
Saw it and shared it. Too many are deliberately blind. They and their lines will end. So evil and unnecessary.
An idea I’ve seen bandied about is the idea of developing an “American Boer” identity, basically an American White identity built around the founding principles of America to which other peoples could have buy-in.
I know, that sounds iffy, but the whole, strict “White Nationalist” thing runs into what I might call…”The Derbyshire Issue” (he’s hardly a one-off).
I’m not a Derbyshire fan. I will stick with the 14 words.
I get it because trying to craft an identify outside of biology has already failed. However, efforts to get a White Nationalist movement going in the U.S. have consistently failed (even worse) as well, even in times when the government gave such movements a wide berth.
I don’t have one. Some people, even well meaning, thoughtful people, like the idea of using religion, but, I don’t think there’s a great chance of success there.
What efforts to get a white nationalist movement going in the U.S.?
Sorry, too lazy to look it up, but someone had posted about a White nationalist movement in the 1880s that went nowhere. I’m not a George Lincoln Rockwell fan, but he had no issue getting speaking engagements at universities and whatnot.
The essay you linked is excellent, and a reminder of why race and ethnicity are all that really matter at the end of the day.
Most everything by Ugo Bardi and by Aurelien is excellent. Try to get hold of some of Bardi’s books on the “Seneca effect”, if you can. He recently retired as a professor of physical chemistry at an Italian university.
I think the new American culture we see emerging is vastly more nationalist and anti-establishment than we’ve ever seen in this country before. I always laugh when they break out the “fascist” lingo because man we hate those government fuckers and would see them all fired and their positions eliminated if we could. There are a couple of issues that will need to be rectified for a full realignment. Namely energy independence and abortion. The greens and the baby killers are not ones to compromise, and the other side is uninterested in national suicide or baby homicide. But that leaves… Read more »
Z-man’s post today reminded me of a quote that I see in my US passport. It’s from Dwight Eisenhower’s Inaugural Address in 1953: “Whatever America hopes to bring to pass in the world must first come to pass in the heart of America.” This has never made much sense to me. What is it that “America” hopes to “bring to pass” in the world? And what is it that “comes to pass” in the heart of a nation that was then about 161 million people? In what sense does a country of that size even have a heart? Yet here… Read more »
I imagine Ike was thinking of free markets and democracy, after a fashion.
True, and this Baptist from Kansas was also still fighting for Abolition.
Unable to sleep, waking up at nights in a cold sweat from his wartime decisions, he had to find some way to make his life right with his Lord. His only recourse was to see himself as having been a missionary for the greater good, laying the path for the Messiah’s restoration.
Sorry, Ike. Wrong Messiah…and he arrived in 1948.
You most certainly did do your part to enable his coming.
> In fairness, these debates about the nature of American nationalism were not at the center of the dispute, but they played a role in shaping how the new intellectual class would define American identity after the war. Those arguing in favor of the war being a new founding are not entirely wrong.
After every major war, the entire structure of the country had to be reimagined to justify the side we took. It’s similar to human psychology that once a person is propagandized into taking an action, he changes his values to justify it.
Exactly, it’s trauma conditioning. Once having been made complicit in gross crime, the only way to deal with the pain is to make it a part of one’s made-up identity.
This is the root value formation we learned from a culture whose twisted sense of identity begins with a gross crime against nature. Publicly hang all who practice or advocate for bris and fgm, and the physically-anchored psychosis would stop, simple as.
(Desmet’s “mass psychosis formation” stops short of the mark, as its fanboys all subscribe to the Great Hoax. That’s like saying trans surgery is ‘just an idea.’)
Another thing, which I get from Martin Gurri’s Revolt of the Public, is that the Age of Gutenberg in which our Founders lived gave way to the Age of Mass Media. And now the Age of Mass Media is giving way to what we might call the Age of Inter-network. In the Age of Mass Mediia only One Voice from on high got to set the rules. Now with the internet and blogs and Substacks and podcasts we are working out the future in a network of to and fro. And the Ruling Class of the Age of Mass Media… Read more »
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The future of America is Brazil.
In the mean time we will have to endure the rule of religious zealots.
Speaking of identity, some good news: Trump held a press conference today, and the first half of it was about the border as our most serious and pressing problem. He even stated that, that he could talk about inflation or the economy, but our biggest problem is this criminal abuse of the border. I’m watching the vid at Sundance’s, very somber and serious without the razzle-dazzle.
The DQ- the Demographics Question- is going mainstream in a big way.
(Sundance is also highlighting how other countries are pushing back. The Normies are signing on!)
An example of this which does not require a discussion of the Civil War is manifest destiny, itself an extension of the Monroe Doctrine. In fact the Civil War was essentially a continuation of both. Destiny, baby! I do think after decade after decade of pointless wars that the public is retreating inward. So much blood and treasure for nothing. At this point, the only thing holding the nation building empire coalition together…is a social issue: abortion. Its proponents profess fealty to the Empire as long as the abortions don’t get touched. It’s also not an accident that the country… Read more »
Breaking: Puerto Rico’s Shadow Senator Zoraida Buxó endorses Trump at his rally In Allentown, PA – Video (updated)
https://commoncts.blogspot.com/2024/10/breaking-puerto-ricos-shadow-senator.html
Now that we are a gynocracy, our national purpose is to get likes on social (suicidal) media by virtue signaling
I’m not against the concept of America having predominant power in the world. Not if the country were run by his rightful owners. Living in a world where more and more Brown countries get nuclear weapons is dangerous and I don’t mind using American power to prevent that. And having the high seas free of piracy as well as a host of other things makes an American empire useful. Of course, the problem is the people running America right now are nuts.
Benevolent dictators rarely stay that way too long. Btw, many of those brown countries wouldn’t feel the need for nukes if we or the Israelis didn’t threaten them so much. As to sea lanes, I’m pretty sure a few Russian, Indian, Japanese, European and Chinese ships could get the job done.
The only useful thing that the US offered the world was the dollar/treasury financial system, and we’re royally screwed that up.
The question is could the Russians, indians, Japanese and Chinese work together to do something like that? It looks like it was always an empire that kept the seas clear in the past but maybe there were exceptions? Before us it was the British empire. And if you go back long ago it was the Roman empire. But maybe arrangements can be worked out. But let’s be honest, Africa and most of Latin America have a horrible track record of managing themselves. That’s why colonial white rule was so good for them. The problem I see is that someone’s going… Read more »
You seem to be a perfect example of the mentality mentioned in Z’s post. Why do you feel some need to “help” the world by telling other peoples how to act and how to run their societies?
Let them be. So what if they run their countries terribly? It’s not our country. Who cares. Look after your own.
Btw, Somali pirates aren’t too tough to deal with. Russia knows how to deal with such types. You don’t need an empire to keep the sea lanes open.
Agreed…One belt-fed 50 on the deck would deal with any number of Somali pirates….
Just a matter of speaking a lingo that folks understand.
But they need those missionary wells drilled, or our food and medicine foreign aid, or they couldn’t breed as fast!
Oh I don’t mean that it’s some obligation of white people to help brown people by ruling over them. I’m just noting that they actually were better off. This is to dispel any mythology about the so-called evils of colonialism. But in theory if we were a non-silly country being run by its rightful heirs, I would have no problem getting access to the natural resources of Africa or the Middle East or South America. And that would probably require some administration on our part. Heck, I might even enjoy vacation spots being built all over the world in places… Read more »
What happens in Africa and Latin America is nobody’s business but that of Africans and Latin Americans. And if trading with them is too hazardous because they can’t keep pirates in check, we trade with others and/or become more autarchical.
Make what we need when we can. Fair trade for things made cheaper by others. Take what is needed when they can be had in no other way.
What kills me is the outright scam of low-cost bulk ocean shipping. Much of our food, for instance, is sent to some Third World country to be “processed”- that is, adulterated- and then sent to another spithole to be further processed and packaged, and then sent back. Same in spades with manufactured goods.
We have overlapping redundancy in waste oil-fueled shipping and tax code sleights; what we need is robust redundancy in local production.
This. We ship our apples to f*cking China to process into juice – and then numerkan kids get poisoned with lead in it. A mixed blessing.
“And having the high seas free of piracy as well as a host of other things makes an American empire useful.”
The constitution of 1787 explicitly gave Congress the power to deal with piracy in international waters and attacks on American shipping… but not to be the Leviathan/GAE/ZOG/M-I-C with military bases in 100 countries to “free the world” or spread “democracy” or “defend Israel” LOL.
Pirates are the medieval “outlaws” of the modern world. They are beyond the protect of law and all civilized nations are obliged to exterminate them. I’m sure we can muster up some support in this endeavor from other nations,
A vexillation of twits from Amnesty International just went all a-flutter.
Toyota Hi-Luxes from Oxfam are just there to deliver needed supplies to the local dictator, err, UNESCO distribution center. Those machine gun mounts are only the local version of “Pimp My Ride.” Somebody’s gotta collect the carbon credits, and round up employables for the cobalt mines and palm oil plantations! After dumping $85B in weapons to the Taliban, Blinken arranged to trade of Britney Griner in a men’s prison for the Russian Lord of War. Surprisingly, we now have rumors of illegals with SAMs eyeing Trump’s airliner. The ‘humanitarian’ orgs are for buying up proxy armies with a philanthropic gloss,… Read more »
AINO is or was capable of being 90%+ self sufficient with little or no need for foreign trade, and most of that with Canada and Mexico. Thus piracy and freedom of the seas could and should be other people’s problems and not ours. But different choices were made some decades ago about what the nature and form of our economy would be. So that rich people could get richer.
Rich people are always the main factor in US government decisions!
Spoken like a true Kameltoe supporter.
”Need” must be defined better. Prior to WWII we imported rubber for American use. However, when the Jap’s shut it off, we used home made substitutes. Nonetheless, Malaysian rubber was a pretty good thing. No reason to not continue to trade them for it in peacetime. As long as our trade is “fair”—that is to say mutually beneficial—we both are the better for it. Then there’s aluminum and steel. Of these two essential, strategic, products, we import 1/3 of our steel and 60% of our aluminum. Is that reasonable given national security issues? Possibly, as our biggest seller is Canada.… Read more »
As to nuclear weapons, they wouldn’t have them if we hadn’t given away or, more often, let them in to steal the blueprints. That’s what AQ Khan did, working in a Dutch nuclear facility, where he took them back to Pakistan under the watchful eye of a Muslim heading the IAEA. Most subscribe to the Rosenberg couple as spies. I read a claim that an American general delivered the Manhatten Project blueprints to Stalin 4 months after we had dropped the Bomb; somebody, it seems, wanted a rather useful (to them) Cold War. Oddly, we’ve given away White tech willy-nilly.… Read more »
Yes, every bit of wealth that the third world now enjoys came directly from white people. And yes, we foolishly gave them access to potentially dangerous technology.
Except ZOG is out there seizing ships, kinda like a pirate.