The Fate of the NeoCons

The term “neocon” has been a fixture of political debates in America for the last 40 years, being both an epithet, sobriquet and honorific. In the 80’s, a white person in the commentariat using the term was doing so as a stand in for “hawkish liberal Jews” and he would most likely be called an anti-Semite. It became very important to neocons for people not to notice they were all liberal Jews. After the Cold War, Progressives started attacking the neocons, so the squealing about antisemitism lost its potency.

The truth is, the original neocons were never conservative. Many were Trotskyists, but most were just very liberal Jews who wanted to use up America’s wealth to fight their ancient enemy, the Russian empire. Otherwise, they embraced the cosmopolitan Progressivism emerging on the Left. Probably the most generous description of neoconservatives was that they were anti-communists, who integrated into traditional conservatism in the effort to prosecute the Cold War. That was the spin, at least.

The years since the end of the Cold War has revealed them to be something else. The berserk, preternatural hatred of Russia is now a major component of neocon arguments, which is why they never shut up about Putin. After the Cold War, neocons opposed efforts to integrate Russia into the modern global economy and they have advocated in favor a hostile foreign policy toward Russia. They backed intervention in South Ossetia and they were behind the coup in Ukraine that has plunged the country into chaos.

Neoconservatism has also curdled into a bizarre hatred of Trump, with many neocons indulging in the most bizarre conspiracy theories. The people defending the FBI in conservative publications are all neocons. Here’s Ben Shapiro defending the FBI. Here’s Jonah Goldberg defending the the coup plotters. Of course, the chief nutter of the NeverTrump club is Bill Kristol, whose son-in-law bought dirt on Trump from the now infamous Democrat dirty tricks operation, FusionGPS.

In the interest of accuracy, a major cause of neocon hatred of Trump is money. For eight years these guys were rubbing their hands together thinking about the great jobs they would land in the Jeb Bush administration. Jonah Goldberg’s old lady spent 2015 shopping for outfits, anticipating a six figure job in the next Republican administration. When you add up the book deals, salary, speaking gigs and insider dealing, Trump was a million dollar catastrophe for each of the leading lights of neoconservatism. Of course they’re mad.

That can explain some of the bitterness over Trump, but none of these guys are skipping any meals. John “Thanks Dad” Podhoretz takes $400,000 a  year in salary just from his limited work at Commentary. Goldberg lives in a seven figure home in one of the most elite suburbs on earth. Max Boot just signed on with the Washington Post, where he probably makes $250,000 per year to write a weekly column. All of these guys were born into the world of “high pay, but low work” lifestyles that define the commentariat.

What really vexes them, is the the fact they can no longer hide in the weeds of Buckley Conservatism. They used to be able to pass themselves off as conventional conservatives, who just had an active interest in foreign policy. Now, it is eminently clear that there is nothing conservative about them in the least. Whatever hand waving they offer in favor of traditionalism and normalcy, is always in the form of “Of course we should defend X, but let’s not waste political capital on that when we should be doing…”

Reverting to their liberal roots is one thing, but it is hard to see what is American about them, given their advocacy against Americans. When a central plank of your philosophy is that native stock Americans need to be replaced, you’re un-American. Steve Sailer once described neoconservatism as “invade the world, invite the world” and it was an excellent observation. The growing recognition of this truth, seems to be turning neocons in to outright, anti-white bigots. They despise you for noticing what’s happening to you.

You see it in this Jonah Goldberg column the other day. The debate over immigration has made plain to white voters that the divide in Washington is between those celebrating the “browning of America” and those who oppose it. The Trump Effect is making that increasingly clear to voters. The people opposing Team Brown, want to preserve their communities and their culture. There is nothing more conservative than that, but the neocons have now taken to calling this a cult, an obvious reference to you know who.

Neoconservatism has come a long way from when Irving Kristol wrote “Confessions of a True, Self-Confessed ‘Neoconservative'” in 1979. The world has changed since the concepts that came to define neoconservatism were developed. Of course, all of the guys who founded it are dead. The people leading the movement today are mostly the ne’er do well sons of the founding generation of thinkers. The “Thanks Dad Chorus” that is modern neoconservatism is a very good example of reversion to the mean.

Of course, what Eric Hoffer observed about causes is true of the neocons. “Every great cause begins as a movement, becomes a business, and eventually degenerates into a racket.” In fact, this is true of the entire ecosystem that is mainstream conservatism. The Buckley crowd are just squeezing out every last dime from National Review, trading on nostalgia to fleece Baby Boomers of donations. Commentary Magazine has a dwindling readership of septuagenarians worried that Hitler really did not die in that bunker.

Even so, Jews in America have faced little in the way of Antisemitism. That’s something white Americans have always celebrated. So much so that no one thought much of the emergence of Jewish triumphalism in the last decades. If that triumphalism curdles into anti-white ethnocentrism, then that could change. When you see a guy like Jonah Goldberg appropriating the title of James Burnham book for his next screed against white people, you have to suspect this is all going to end poorly.

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Otto

James Burnham’s book “Suicide of the West” is a must read for conservatives . In-depth insight into the liberal mind.

MICoyote
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MICoyote

That’s Patrick J. Buchanan.

Scooby Dieu
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Scooby Dieu

No, Buchanan wrote “The Death of the West” and James Burnham wrote “Suicide of the West.”

Dirtnapninja
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The Jews are pissed off because they can sense that they are losing control of the narrative. The Neocons must be Replaced.

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I read Goldberg for years but not since he succumbed to “Trump Derangement Syndrome”. I won’t read a column of his unless quoted elsewhere. I won’t give him the clicks.

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I’ve been reading The Concept of Ideology, and other Essays, by George Lichtheim, a commie Jew who claimed to be socialist and killed himself some time after writing this in the mid sixties. He uses the term to describe anyone on the right, and makes use of hints throughout his writing that any philosophical underpinnings of any kind of conservatism leads to protofascism. My guess is that libs expected there to be no conservatism whatsoever after FDR had remade the country, and were a bit surprised when books by Lipmann, Buckley, and Kirk started coming out. It looks like the… Read more »

Issac
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Issac

The true oddity is that most of the diaspora oligarchs in Russia are still there and quite powerful. Putin didn’t so much tame Jewish Power as he did cut a series of realpolitik deals with them in order to prevent a visceral backlash to the strip-mining of the Russian economy by the American and Russian diaspora in the 90s. Perhaps the neocons are simply diehards who fully believe in the extermination of the hated white goyim. Perhaps they are pure machivellian schemers who see the forever-war with Russia as the optimal pretext to funnel infinite public funds into their pockets… Read more »

Al from da Nort
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Al from da Nort

Doc; So International Communists = Trotskyites some number of whom were of ‘the tribe’ but Russian National Communists = Stalinists who are not Trotskyites_? And later Trotskyites who *were* of the tribe but in the US and not the USSR > NeoCon’s_? Could be possible but I’m not sure how much ‘Trotskyism’ had to do with any of this. IMHO the name was just a flag of convince for commies in places where they were not in power and not really just an ethnic thing. After all, weren’t there also quite a number of USSR Communists who were of ‘the… Read more »

Mike@Mike.Mike
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There was a discussion at instapundit about a ridiculous article titled The Anti-Christian Alt-right. I made a comment consisting of about 10 bullet points, one of them in reference to the fact that Jews pretty much have total control over every powerful institution in the US. I received about 10 replies, almost all of them ignoring the other points and honing right in on the point about Jews. https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/288364/ The so-called right’s reflexive, blind, and staunch defense of anything less than total celebration of Jews rivals to most fierce liberal support for urban blacks and homosexual deviants. it is literally… Read more »

Ripple947
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Ripple947

Norman Podhoretz is very much alive.

PV+van+der+Byl
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PV+van+der+Byl

Yes. And, quite unlike his son, he endorsed Trump, even if without great enthusiasm.

Zeroth Tollrants
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Zeroth Tollrants

Well, heck. I thought John Normansson’s daddy was dead, too.

TomA
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TomA

There is an epidemic of memetic infection undermining the productive core of our society, and prominent media actors (in every venue) are leading the charge. It is telling that a ridiculously high percentage of them are Jewish. And just like the Obama corruptocrats that have perpetrated the coup d’e´tat operation against Trump, they are banking on an eventual win to keep their tits out of the ringer.

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

Zman, you forgot to use the echo-y triple parenthesis. (((Ben Shapiro))), (((Bill Kristol))), (((Jonah Goldberg))) and so on….

Pimpkin's Nephew
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Pimpkin's Nephew

Driving to work the other day I heard a segment of Glenn Beck which was unhinged even by his standard; according to Glenn – and this was delivered in his PLEASE FIGHT THIS, NO ONE ELSE IS TALKING ABOUT THIS! mode – there is a global Neo-Nazi conspiracy directed by a high-level Russian, whose American acolytes include familiar names like Steve Bannon, our friend Jared Taylor and anybody connected with American Renaissance, even the whole gang at Breitbart, plus several other “rising stars of the alt-right” whom I’d never heard of. My guess is that Beck is a tool here… Read more »

Corn
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Corn

Glenn Beck has been off his meds for years

PV+van+der+Byl
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PV+van+der+Byl

Has Beck ever gone to an Amren conference?

calsdad
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Guess? Why is it a “guess” ? Beck is a complete tool. He’s been that way for years. Not sure if he’s a paid stooge or just on and off his meds as one of the other commenters said – but he’s been acting like a tool for at least a decade now. It was easy to see from him way back during previous election cycles. Especially when Ron Paul ran. When the polls said Paul wasn’t doing well – Beck would be all supportive. When the polls said he was doing well – he’d start crapping all over him.… Read more »

Zeroth Tollrants
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Zeroth Tollrants

From the two small clips I’ve seen on YouTube, Beck has his white board out, connecting the entire Alt-right to Russian Alexander Dugan & Putin.
His theory seems to go like this-because Richard Spencer’s (ex? long separated?) wife has worked for Dugan & Dugan is a Russian who has interacted with Putin at least once-
Therefore, Putin controls the alt-right.
I’m just surprised Jennifer Rubin isn’t already declaring this as the gospel. Or, that blonde English crazy broad, Louise Mensch, at least.

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I was just perusing my copy of Suicide of the west. Maybe we’ve been done for a long time now.

I think it was Garet Garrett came up with “Revolution within the form” explanation. It describes the government changing completely but still using the outward appearance of the original construct. Seems like that has also happened to conservative publications and institutions. Now that some are on to them or unwilling to look the other way, they become unhinged and show their fangs.

calsdad
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Yes – it was Garet Garrett. The book was “The Revolution Was” – where he dealt with how the FDR administration hollowed out the form of Republic’s government from within. https://mises.org/library/revolution-was Opening statement: ——- There are those who still think they are holding the pass against a revolution that may be coming up the road. But they are gazing in the wrong direction. The revolution is behind them. It went by in the Night of Depression, singing songs to freedom. There are those who have never ceased to say very earnestly, “Something is going to happen to the American form… Read more »

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3g4me

They’re all still doing the same thing. Alt lite, civic nationalists, “can’t we get along” types refuse to recognize reality and retreat to magic constitution. Re demographics, 99% of the posts and comments about it insist “this” (whatever the “this” of the day is) is our last chance to prevent the transformation of our people and nation. I constantly point out it is a done deal and has been for years (more than 50% of all “American” k-12 schoolchildren are non-White) – crickets.

Monty James
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It is impossible to direct enough amused contempt at the famous jelly-faced dicksucker, Jonah Goldberg. When Al Franken’s Senate term broke up in mid-air, I was reminded that Goldberg and his boss, former boarding school catamite Rich Lowry, turned down an offer from Franken to meet him for a fistfight; scroll down to “My Pundit Can Beat Up Your Pundit”: Fight Al Franken? I Guess Not… “Manliness is rooted in human nature. If you ignore it, it will grow like a weed — in the form of professional wrestling, hip-hop culture, or my first apartment in Washington. Gentlemen are the… Read more »

james+wilson
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james+wilson

Jefferson wrote of “the subtle corps of sappers and miners constantly working underground to undermine our fabric”.It is our fate that neocons or their ilk will always be with us.

Brooklyn
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Brooklyn

“Many were Trotskyists, but most were just very liberal Jews who wanted to use up America’s wealth to fight their ancient enemy, the Russian empire.” I’d lean more to them being anti-communist than dreaming about war against the Tsar, at least in the first generation who formed the actual movement. The works they put out in the 1960s and 70s seem to be more about being alarmed about the speed and direction the rest of the left was dragging everyone else in – they were 1930s New Deal men who seem pretty bewildered by 1968 radicals. The second generation seems… Read more »

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PV+van+der+Byl

Excellent assessment.

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I tend to see the whole neo-con never-Trump hysteria as an inter-generational conflict on the Jewish right. I think dirtnapninja above is correct as well. About fifteen years ago Entertainment Weekly (I believe) did one of those “100 most powerful people in Hollywood” pieces. Five years earlier, it would have passed unremarked, but in the Internet era someone quickly noted that ~84 out of the 100 were Jews (quoting from memory here). It went viral, as the kids say, and EW quickly posted a craven apology for letting facts contradict the narrative — in this case for perpetuating the evil… Read more »

Dutch
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Dutch

The goal is not the Browning of America, it is the emasculation of any alternative to the Jewish status-quo by the societal turmoil created by the Browning of America. I don’t think they have thought this thing through very well.

Pimpkin's Nephew
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Pimpkin's Nephew

They have a tiger by the tail, no doubt about it. Leading gentiles by the leash has been fairly easy; the brown hordes, feral and indifferent to ‘holocaust guilt’, manipulated by well-financed Islamists, could be real trouble.

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Before the current hysteria, more than one military thinker pointed out that the Israelis share the same strengths and weaknesses as the Germans: tactical and operational geniuses and strategic idiots. For some reason, I keep reading about the Japanese attack against the U.S. lately. They just really had no concept of what the strategic situation looked like. A simple, honest SWOT analysis would have sent them in a vastly different direction. We’re in the same boat right now, careening towards civil war, coup, or societal “reordering” because some tactically smart but strategically dumb elites don’t understand their own interests and… Read more »

Zeroth Tollrants
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Zeroth Tollrants

The elites don’t care what happens. They will flee to another country to resume their parasitism if this one starts to go up in flames.
That’s what globalism means, a global world that belongs to them, to use at their personal discretion.

Issac
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Issac

“Jewish dominance in news, entertainment, law, the think tanks, etc., is very rapidly coming to an end.”

I see little evidence for this.

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Newspapers and networks – 20% or less of their prior audience Law – Proportion of Jewish lawyers is way down from the late 1980’s peak. I know that power and raw numbers do not always correlate, and I expect to see a generational lag in this area, but you do see kvetching online about fewer partners… remember my post was about fears, not reason Entertainment – The growth is all happening in web series and YouTube. The former are increasingly being produced outside the Hollywood power structure. Foundations – Again the growth of new foundations has eroded the power of… Read more »

Zeroth Tollrants
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Zeroth Tollrants

“Elite Jews fear this will lead to pogroms, or worse.”

Lol, dare to dream.

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Pointing out that nearly every NeverTrumper is of the Tribe has got me permanently banned at Ace of Spades (Ace is a New Yorker and may or may not be Jewish) and Front Page Magazine (aka David Horowitz), and I’m skating on thin ice at American Thinker.

Mentioning the elephant in the room with the Star of David saddle blanket is the one thing that’ll getcha kicked outta the cocktail party for sure.

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AoSHQ is a joke. It’s a bunch old lame baby boomers sitting around joking about being tough but sending in pictures of their furry kids every weekend. There is only one entertaining thing about the place. Ace is slowly but surely sinking into the alt right. He used the term “cuck” the other day and I died laughing. It’s just a matter of time before he adopts the dreaded ((())). There is nothing new to see there, but some of the horde are secret heretics and pop up here and occasionally link to the Zman.

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I go there once in a while to see what news articles they link to and noticed that they have a prayer list. I that’s a nice thing, but what you see when you go through it is that the details of the request give away a lot of hints as to the ages of his readers if you know much about the ailments they complain about. His readership is quite old.

Zeroth Tollrants
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Zeroth Tollrants

Hi, Jane!
I can’t believe they banned you from AoS! You’ve been a loyal commenting moron, forever. I quit commenting over there around 2011-12? Then gave up on the FB group around 2013, I guess.
Had enough of the pro-war, pro-GOP, pro-Nat’l Review/Cuckservative mindset that permeated everything.
I liked the people, though…

Bruno the Arrogant
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Bruno the Arrogant

Interesting the subject of the neocons seems to keep coming up lately. Mike Enoch had an interesting discussion with a self-proclaimed neocon a few days ago. It’s worth checking out.

https://therightstuff.biz/2018/02/08/between-two-lampshades-isaac-cohen/

Issac
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Issac

I was amused at this interview. My namesake appears to have no idea what it means to be a neocon, which lends itself to the notion that neocon is what a diaspora jew calls himself when he can’t bear the thought of being a true progressive. Hopefully he returns after more research and reflection for another round with Mike.

Coop
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Coop

The Jewish guy seemed to agree with Mike on just about everything.

Coop
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Coop

Enoch is a brave man. He’s never really waivered, other than when he got doxxed and went off the grid for a while. He stands by his beliefs and takes a back seat to no one and he is making his way out of the corporate world. I admire the guy.

chan chan studios
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good post…you just about nailed…I am not anti-jew…jews just about invented modern physics…I respect that…and I like the Israel model…but jews are now anti-white…and that is definitely end badly for them…

Shrugger
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Shrugger

I actually like listening to Goldberg’s “Remnant” podcast (ripping off this title too), mainly to stay calibrated on that quadrant of the opposition. You are surely right on his multi-million dollar swing and a miss for Jeb(!)

sirlancelot
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sirlancelot

And Monty Python fan too ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdf5EXo6I68

Yeah I’m definitely in the right place. 😉

Thorsted
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Thorsted

Perhaps Jonah Goldberg should read this book by the israeli historian, Azar Gat on historical ethnicity and nationalism “Nations: The Long History and Deep Roots of Political Ethnicity and Nationalism”. This have deep roots based in human nature;https://www.amazon.com/Nations-History-Political-Ethnicity-Nationalism/dp/1107400023

Saml Adams
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Saml Adams

People act as though Russian history began in October 1917 and before that there was nothing but formless protoplasm east of Poland. Hence the surprise that the Russians consider eastern Europe their own particular sphere of influence. Of course Putin and the gang will have an allergic reaction to bringing Ukraine into NATO. It puts a former vassal state into a single trigger alliance. Putin may be ex-KGB, a criminal gangster, etc. But he is Russian first. And inherits a long history and all the expectations and habits that come with it.

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Maybe we need to change “A neoconservative is a liberal whose been mugged” to “A neoconservative is a liberal who said he was mugged but was actually running a Good Samaritan scam”

Quartermaster
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Quartermaster

There was no coup in Ukraine and the place is just as calm as it was before Maidan. The people of Ukraine simply didn’t want Yanukovich to sign them over to Russia. This one of several issues on which Buchanan is simply a crackpot. Yanukovich is still a fugitive from justice for giving the orders to the Berkut that resulted in the murders of 100 people on the Maidan.

There is a typo in my email addy. It should be mrg not mrh)

Currahee
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Currahee

Yeah, and it took me a long time to figure these guys out. Back during the Bush II second term, as I was becoming disenchanted with “change the world”, I was listening to Michael Medved.

The issue of muslim immigration was raised by a caller and Medved said we can’t oppose any groups acceptance as immigrants because such would be anti-constitutional. I was confused by this, went looking and found no basis for this statement.

Shortly thereafter Medved’s father died, an American who emigrated to Israel.

Since then I have rethought many things.

Many things.

markshere2
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markshere2

I’ve been reading for about 52 years now.
I’ve been critically reading for about 25 years.

Not a jew, not a moslem, not an atheist, I’m a Christian. It’s weird to see the contempt / hatred for a religious group outstrip the capability to objectively evaluate the actions of a member of that group.

It’s interesting to see antisemitism shine through, even though writers try to hide their bias.

Y’all have fun with that, you’ve tainted my opinion of you.

Hope you can increase your objectivity.