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The state of Israel holds a special place in the American political consciousness for a number of reasons. One is the fact Israel puts enormous effort into lobbying the political class in Washington. They are the most effective lobbying machine on earth. The other is the phenomenon of Christian Zionists, who have created a form of Christianity that seems to venerate the modern state of Israel. Then there is the anti-Muslim aspect to the whole thing. Most Americans back Israel, because they don’t like Muslims.

It was not always this way. In the 1950’s both political parties were skeptical about Israel, but for a number of reasons the political class was convinced to back the Israelis against the Arabs. Even so, the Left remained anti-Zionist into the 1970’s, siding with the Palestinians as members of the coalition of the oppressed. There remains a whiff of this on the Left with the old guys. A guy like Bernie Sanders is comfortable being anti-Zionist, without being a self-hating Jew. He just keeps it to himself these days.

Right-wing Progressives, on the other hand, have gone completely insane with their love of Israel. They are pushing through laws in states like Florida to ban criticism of Israel or support for critics of Israel. It’s tempting to say these are unconstitutional, but the courts are so corrupt now, that’s a phrase without meaning. Still, the right-wing Progressives make a fetish of the Constitution, so for them to embrace the barbaric practice of proscribing certain topics underscores their fanaticism for Israel.

The anti-Semites, of course, look at this as part of the greater plot by those crafty Jews to destroy the West. It is certainly true that Israel is happy to support Zionist movements in the United States, as it keeps the American government on their side. The truth is, being pro-Israel is one of the few areas where Christians can participate in public life, so they do so with rabid enthusiasm. Similarly, Republicans are allowed to give it to the Left on this issue, so they go overboard on their love for Israel.

That said, Israel is happy to see it. They have become dependent on the United States in ways that get lost on this side of the world. Billions flow from America into Israel every year. The amount of private charity from Christian groups in the US exceeds the foreign aid from the US. Then there are the wealthy Jews, who are not often all that observant, but they make up for it by writing checks and getting others to writes checks to Israeli causes. Remittances means as much to Israel as they do to Mexico.

The trouble with this dynamic is it is an aging one, where the most enthusiastic supporters of Israel in America are getting old. On the Left, the younger generation sees Jews as white and white people are all bad. Instead, they side with Arabs, who are not white, so they are good. Chuck Schumer may run the Democrat party, but Ilhan Omar is the future of the party. Even if she is an exception, the brown coalition simply sees Jews as part of Team White, which makes them and their interests the enemy.

On the Right, mentally unstable left-wing Jews create more anti-Semites on a daily basis than Hitler did in a century. As the younger left-wing Jews, especially the women, try to burrow into the brown coalition, by going over the top in their anti-white rhetoric, whites young whites are reacting to this rhetoric. To say that Michelle Goldberg is bad for Jews is to say that cancer is bad for people, but so far Jews have yet to figure out how to think about addressing that problem, much less curing it.

That’s another problem for Israel, maybe the most serious one. The Michelle Goldberg type is a dying breed. Reformed and Conservative Jews in America stopped having kids, just like occidentals. They also started marrying out of the Tribe. As a result, the ratio of Jews to non-Jews in the country is half what it was at the middle of the last century. The explosion of birth rates and immigration on the Orthodox side promises to change the complexion of Jewishness. Demographics is everyone’s destiny.

To understand this dynamic and what it means for Israel, think about how the Jewish vote broke in the 2016 election. Trump won the Orthodox voters, as he is pro-Israel, but he lost the rest of the Jewish vote. The old gag was that the Jews lived like Episcopalians and voted like Puerto Ricans. Today, the non-Orthodox vote like blacks and live like homosexuals. That vital coalition for Israel is now backing anti-Israel candidates and erasing themselves from the book of life. That’s bad for Israel.

Of course, these demographic changes are driven by the same forces that are undermining occidental communities. The reason there is such a thing as alt-Jew is the same reason there is an alt-right. What it means to be Jewish in modern America is under assault by modern America. The reason the Orthodox have so many kids is they see a bright future. The reason the rest of the Diaspora in North America is not having kids is they wish they had never been born. Self-loathing is their religion.

There’s something else with Jews that is unique to them. A big part of Jewish identity is seeing themselves as the plucky underdog put upon by a hostile world. As they rose to the top of American society, they were changed by their immersion into the Progressive cultural outlook. Just as Jews were Hellenized by the Greeks, Jews in America were changed by those ruling class Protestants they found themselves competing with and working with in the high ground of American society.

There’s good reason to mock the term Judeo-Christian, but there is such a thing as Judeo-Puritan. That’s the ethos of the America ruling elite now. The almost berserk obsession with collective judgement and the need to subvert their own system in order to perpetual a state of constant revolution, draws from both traditions. The moralizing prudishness has been inverted to attack traditional morality, while the outsider instinct has been weaponized to create a perpetual state of crisis.

This warping of Jewish identity is most obvious with the neocons. Their enthusiasm for crusading around the world to spread democracy is written off by anti-Semites, as part of their plot to help Israel. In reality, it is the result of internalizing the missionary zeal and universalism of their Protestant brothers in the Judeo-Puritan orthodoxy. The Protestants send missionaries to torment the bad whites inside America, while the Jews send those bad whites out to impose liberal democracy on the rest of the world.

Overall, the dynamic in America is not a good one for Israel. The disintegrating old white America is undermining general support for Israel. It is opening the doors to left-wing anti-Zionists among the coalition of the ascendant. The Jews most supportive of Israel financially, and best able to influence government policy, are fading into a demographic oblivion. The partnership of Trump’s over-the-top civic nationalism and Netanyahu’s over-the-top Zionism is like the last concert for an old band about to retire.

For Israel, it means figuring out how to work with nationalist movements in Europe and white identity movements in the United States. Jews in the Diaspora have the luxury of railing against these movements, but Israelis are far more sober minded. They have no choice but to be pragmatic, as their survival depends upon it. What seems like an unlikely partnership today, is most likely the path forward for Israel. The world’s only ethno-state will have to support the concept of ethno-nationalism for everyone.

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I came across this conversation from the university of Tel Aviv between Douglas Murray and 3. israeli intellectuals. The discussion had is outset in Murrays book on the migration into Europe and it death. I most say that some of the jews had some very interesting points that you wouldn’t find among jews in the US or Europe. The debate can be highly recommended.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IurFGlrbW4I&t=2077s

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Well I wouldn’t worry too much about our Jewish friends in the U.S., they will adapt to what ever changes that come, whether they were instrumental in the demise or not.
The rest of us, not so much but never give up on team whitey, we are pretty good survivors too.

That said, a historical correction is due for the Tribe, due to a fatal blindspot in their DNA. As far as your take on Jewish crusading, I don’t buy the Protestant influence. The same revolutionary spirit that drove their Commie zeal is still present in many of them.

Future Life
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Future Life

What is the Jewish fatal blindspot in their DNA?

c matt
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c matt

They cannot see when they have pushed too far.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Emotion. Hysteria. They believe their own bullshit, as much as any Arab.

Contradiction is not a problem, if your mind believes wholeheartedly every thing you say is true.

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Exile

90% agree, Z. My disagreement is re: neo-cons internalizing Protestantism. I see them as weaponizing it, not internalizing it. Guys like Kristol the Lesser aren’t trying to immanentize the eschaton, they are secularist grifters whose only higher cause is to keep Israelis like themselves on top of the heap. They’re almost entirely red-diaper babies of “former” Trotskyites. Christian enthusiasm for Zionism is useful to them in the same way as “never forget” – an eternal cudgel to beat down dissenters and push their tribal interests. FWIW, I don’t believe in Tribe-wide cabalistic conspiracies. I see Jewish influence as largely a… Read more »

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Ostei Kozelskii

How interesting it would be if Israel helped create a white ethnostate in the Levant, lets say, carved out of Syria or Turkey’s hide. Such an act could further Israel’s security if America ceases supporting it.

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Calsdad

Wut?

Israel supports building a white ethnostate in the Levant …… so what – the whites run out of Europe by the former occupants of Syria have a place to go?

How is that any sort of desirable outcome?

Leave behind the green homelands of Europe – which are being taken over by refugees from the Levant – by running away to the parched soils of the Levant?

Sam Kinison would not approve.

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Ostei Kozelskii

I said interesting, not necessarily desirable. The fact of the matter is that the survival of our people, by hook or by crook, either in our homeland or elsewhere, is of the moment. And incidentally, if one considers the pre-Greek polities of the Middle East as the cradle of Western civilization, one can make an argument that that part of the world is a white homeland, too. Certainly, Christianity was a powerful presence there long before the Mohometans defiled the place.

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Odid Yinon, the re-creation of Eretz Ysrael, needs useful and pliable slaves. I think Ostei and Carlsdad may have stumbled across something here.

After all, I see Israel’s creation as a penal colony, a holding pen, for nationalist patriots.
The commies can’t kill them because they need marriageable candidates, but they can’t let them get in the way either.

This internal civil war has always been their problem, as Juda and Levi seek to rule the rest. Bloody civil war is what brought the Romans into fractuous Israel in the first place, trying to impose order.

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There are some on our side who are convinced that “Israel” and “The Jews” are the same thing. Yes, Israel is an ethnostate, but this does not mean that every pea-brain at Vox is in love with Bibi Netanyahu. It makes us sound silly to a well-informed enemy if we claim so. Many secular Leftist Jews opposed the Iraq War on “humanitarian” (ie Anything a White person wants is bad) grounds. Our side likes to think that the NYT, CNN etc were enthusiastic supporters of W’s misadventure, but it simply wasn’t the case. I’m old enough to remember Sean Hannity… Read more »

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MemeWarVet. MSM, CNN, etc struck a posture of prudent concern about W’s impending war. A classic example of riding the fence, without seeming to abandon the moral high ground. The MSM at the time could in no way be mistaken mounting a true anti-invasion opposition.

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Ostei Kozelskii

The most virulent critics of Israel are AWR Jews. There’s no doubt about that.

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I am not a gull or a rube or a tool of eeeeeeevil joooooooos. And yeah, I hate moslems and make no bones about it – they are a violent, stupid people for the most part and everywhere they go they spread that. The most important thing to do is see the Jew for what he is, not how others would like you to see him. Everyone flips their lid when some Jewish cunned stunt like Feinstein starts yammering about guns. Everyone pops a gasket when some Sarah or Rebecca pens as stream of diarrhea in the mass media. Nobody… Read more »

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My impression is that the elite Jews – top 10% let’s say, tend to set the agenda for the rest. They are very tribal (to their credit) which has served them well. The problem is that for every Ron Unz in the 10%, there are 10 or more Shapiros, Ginsbergs, Kristols, etc.

But as mentioned, they are nothing if not adaptable. I may have said it before, but the Alan Schneider character from Colony seems to encapsulate the stereotype perfectly.

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I agree that we need allies, but what percentage of J3ws in the USA would accept an immigration moratorium or a public commitment to keeping the USA an overwhelmingly white country? My guess is about the same percentage as blacks who vote conservative. What is your guess?

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Nailed it. US-born 10% tops, those with little Jewish identity to start. I used to work with a normie-Con DNA Jewish (father & mother) NYC-born trial lawyer. He couldn’t stand most of his family & was wholly secular. I knew 2x as much about Jewish holidays, identity etc than he did. For every one of him, I’ve met 20 who fit the stereotypes. Based on working around lots of dual cit Israelis since, I’d say 20% of Israel-identified Jews (rather than diaspora) might be sympathetic. As for former Soviet/Warsaw Ashkepaths, I’d estimate 0%. Ashkepaths are the vector group for Noah… Read more »

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I’m going with less than 1%. Many years ago I worked with an attorney and was surprised to find out he was nominally Jewish. One day we were talking about the latest flare-up of Palestinian – Israeli violence, and he made a comment along the lines of, “I hope that does’t happen in the U.S.” “There aren’t many Palestinians here,” I responded. “No, white christians,” he replied. I don’t remember how I responded, as almost 20 years later I am still surprised by his comments. Even though he was barely Jewish (and occasionally said exactly that), he was deeply afraid… Read more »

NITZAKHON
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I would, and cheerfully.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Many good parts of Scripture (Old Testament) were written trying to reform the ruling elites of the Hebrew and Israelite tribes.

Those appeals were not without cause, the same situation the West is in today, Nitz.

You walk such a difficult tightrope, as do all good people of any group. They love their people but hate their rulers, that minority of the ruthless and the mad.

NITZAKHON
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Too damned many American Jews still have a shtetl mentality.

http://redpilljew.blogspot.com/2019/04/american-jews-still-on-shtetl.html

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Known Fact

Yeah, I’m here too so there must be other Jews who don’t want to see the country turned into a Third World airport terminal and the traditional culture trashed beyond recognition.

But most American Jews just can’t get out of the bi-coastal bubble mindset; they don’t relate well to the country as a whole even if they’re not the stereotypical lefties. I made a point of getting out to live in flyover country, but most just can’t see themselves there. You’ll have trouble convincing them until they see their own neighborhoods being destroyed.

NITZAKHON
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Just like the Jews who say kaddish for Palestinian terrorists, mourn “Nakhba Day”… insane. Jewicidal.

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Even among the most secular, self-proclaimed ‘alt-Jews,’ you’d be fortunate to find more than a handful who would officially endorse a 90+ White America. Their neurotic fear of Christian pogroms and casual contempt for the useful Christian Zionists is precisely why they have worked assiduously to undermine America’s Christian European roots for more than 100 years (look up the NY Jewish riots Nov/Dec 1906/1907 which resulted in the removal of all school songs and programs that even mentioned Christ or Christmas). My biggest issue with what Zman terms ‘alt-Jews’ is that they are anti-immigration solely because they are wary of… Read more »

LineIntheSand
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LineIntheSand

My concern:

neo-con Js : 1980s GOP :: alt-Js : Dissident Right

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Ostei Kozelskii

There are definitely some Jews on our side. My best friend, a prominent Jewish academic, is one. David Horowitz and Daniel Greenfield are two others. Having said that, as a percentage of Jews overall, those who ally with the DR are tiny.

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wherearethevikings

No one can out-paleo Paul Gottfried.

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Ostei Kozelskii

Yep. He’s hardcore. Got kicked out of National Review. Not that one has to be hardcore for that to happen, mark you. Mildly conservative is enough for that.

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No, no, a thousand times no. Looking at the history of Jews in the West, you see two hard facts: 1) When Jews enter an organization, movement or institution they eventually rise to control it & make it serve Jewish interests. And 2) Jews are willing & able to say & do whatever required to enter an organization, movement or institution. However foolish or gauche you may find antisemitism, it is the only defense against Jewish entryism & subversion. If any true “Alt Jews” exist then they are free to address the many serious issues in their own tribe instead… Read more »

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I agree that we are seeing the future in the young democrats; aoc, Omar, and buttigeg. Even if you hate most of them, the ideological diversity is refreshing.

What does the future of the Republicans look like? I think there is no end in sight of evangelical Christian Zionists, like Pence, which should ensure solid support for Israel until at least 2050. The future is curious—we seem to be at some great turning point.

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MHO is that the GOP cannot win without Campaign Trump type candidates. A Pence at the top of the ticket won’t cut it. I could see a small Alt-rightish third party emerging which would split the right vote just enough to give Dems perpetual victory, hence hastening our demise. But, to be fair, I do not follow the left side of the divide as I should, so I don’t know if they are also susceptible to a split. And then there were four. Four parties (even if the establishment Dem/GOP take the majority) would not be a bad thing in… Read more »

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Yeah, I too suspect some sort of fission on the left, but it will be after the deaths of Biden, Pelosi, et al. Don’t forget there are rich young zionists, like Kushner, to take the places of Adelson and Saban.

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For all that Trump’s been a fizzle, Cruz would have lost to Granny Capone by a wide margin. Bush Republicanism is on life support and cannot win general elections. Strident lip service to his entirely undelivered agenda might serve to put Trump over the top in 2020, particularly if the Donkey Chompers wing of the Dems dominates their messaging, but I think 2016 was peak BoomerCon. I for one will never believe any candidate signalling a pro-White agenda while running under the GOP flag again, and after 2020, demographics will be the GOP’s destiny. Hanging around to watch it burn.

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Exile – well said and I totally concur.

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Any fracturing within the left will be held in place by anti-white animus. One nazi in a windowless van down by the river is enough to keep the party in a fever. The commies and radical fringe can cause discomfort within the normie progs on the left but this is assuaged by the fact that, as Z points out, most of these progs wished they were never born – or rather born as POC’s. A humorous but telling trend I see among these NPC lefties is how disappointed they are when their 23andme returns a “boring” white European configuration, forever… Read more »

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Never refer to that semi-literate Tart Of Color as AOC; her name is Sandy Cortez. By giving her a presidential/world-historical acronym she’s done nothing to deserve (and never /can/ do anything to deserve), you defile American history, of which she is no part. What, people these days get the Royal Moniker just because their name is too long and confusing to pronounce? Not having it. Her hyphenation is a mere pretension (she doesn’t even have the dignity to use the traditional styling of Ocasio y Cortez, if that’s what she’s on about). The middle part is superfluous, and her Christian… Read more »

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“The disintegrating old white America is undermining general support for Israel.”

Doubtful since Brazil is a reliably Zionist. Once you realize that white demographic decline is not evangelical demographic decline, you realize why the staunch Zionists in the diaspora are not so concerned.

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Altitude Zero

A lot of non-Jewish support for Israel is based on what Anne Coulter called “The Discovery Channel Principle” – when you see a mammal fighting against a reptile on a nature show, you automatically find yourself rooting for the mammal. It was the same reason that a lot of us found ourselves pulling for Rhodesia and South Africa back in the 1970’s, regardless of the theoretical rights and wrongs of the situation. And yeah, Israel is going to find itself on the same side as the populist nationalists, whether it likes it or not – Yoram Hazoney is an early… Read more »

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I have found the JQ conversation a mostly predictable and boring exercise, but there is something about the state of Israel for us older folks, and I think it is this: Back in the Vietnam/Watergate era, the U.S. was a bumbling superpower, taking a blowtorch to the Indochinese peoples and countries without a clear and defensible overall rationale for doing so (I know, the “dominoes falling to communism” and such things, the kind of stuff that got argued in the halls of the NR’s—the National Review and the New Republic), and trying to sort out the anarchistic hippie tendencies at… Read more »

Altitude Zero
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Altitude Zero

I take issue with your characterization of the Vietnam War (although that is certainly how it was portrayed at the time) but otherwise agree completely. There’s most certainly a generational aspect to support for Israel for many on the Right.

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IMO, we tried to go into Vietnam and do “just enough” to meet our nebulous goals, but no more. It was a betrayal of the soldiers we sent, handicapping them while putting them at risk. Israel showed us how to do it, go all-in. All-in may not have been wise for Vietnam, which was something relatively trivial to our existence. Which gets back to WTF were we doing committing ourselves over there in the first place.

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Exactly right. You are really onto something here. We were mired in the mud of Vietnam, and the Israelis were so refreshingly surgical, decisive, and successful. It was like a bunch of Joe Namaths got together and formed an army and air force.

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Millions of Jews plop down on Palestine. Attempt to snuff out and drive out the Palestinians. To literally bulldoze them out of existence. And the Palestinians are the “bad guys”? That’s rich.

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MemeWarVet

Frip, while I don’t disagree, the Israel/Palestine conflict is a perfect example of “not my circus, not my monkeys.”

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But your money

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Problem is, the Palis are also very recent immigrants. Jerusalem in 1900 was nearly empty ruins, with a few Bedouin trying to sell trinkets at the new British railway.

Two brothers fighting over the same abandoned parking lot.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Note to Dutch: I was also conditioned, as a Boomer, to find the JQ irrational and boring.
Now I can’t get enough noticing, as I realize the Semitic populations are a locus of what I call the Infection.

In short, they are literally more susceptible to possession, as are the nonwhite populations.

They are more vulnerable to predatory carrier waveforms in the Very and Ultra low spectrum, what we could call “demons”. The unseen Infection.

Whites, with a larger segment of frontal cortex processers, are simply more resistant. So we’ve invented 97% of everything since 800 BC, instead.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Self-loathing? The possessed, the Infected, whether warped into receptivity by circumcision trauma, abusive culture, deceptive stories, pollutants, quick mutation, or sheer horrors, still yet yearn to be freed of that which feeds on pain.

But they don’t know how.
They are compelled, like rabies.

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Alzaebo, we have so many varied infectious agents in our midst, though the Semitic version is one of the more deeply burrowed ones. One question: Reading your posts today, the thread I get out of it all is to follow the language, that the evolving names of things takes one along the paths of history and calamity. That we get the curated cover stories, what they want us to hear. But the names of things and of people give away the game. Am I on the right track, or down another rabbit hole?

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Recently read on a popular blog: There are now in the whole of Palestine hardly 700,000 people, a population much less than that of the province of Gallilee alone in the time of Christ. Of these 235,000 live in the larger towns, 465,000 in the smaller towns and villages. Four-fifths of the whole population are Moslems. A small proportion of these are Bedouin Arabs; the remainder, although they speak Arabic and are termed Arabs, are largely of mixed race. Some 77,000 of the population are Christians, in large majority belonging to the Orthodox Church, and speaking Arabic. The minority are… Read more »

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Brazil and the Ukraine which itself appears to be mostly run by Jews may be reliable allies but they would not make up for the loss of the US or worse a US that is hostile. It’s also a much poorer nation with much less opportunity to get aid or make money The Ukraine doesn’t have a pot to piss in right now. The thing that should sober anyone Jewish is once the current people are gone, the Left will be thoroughly Anti Semitic and the New Right won’t care. The Dissident Right which will probably be succeeded by a… Read more »

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On the contrary, I fear that the browner and more corrupt the U.S., the better the Jews will do, since they have a very successful lobbying apparatus in place and lots of money to throw around. In the increasingly poor America, you’re fooling yourself if you think “new right” people won’t be bribed to betray their own people. That’s how we got in this situation in the first place.

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The anti-anti-semites are starting to drive people into at least the apathy camp. The panic is so over the top that it’s easy to poke holes in it. These same people would at best give tepid responses to outright anti-Christian bigotry. But, question a judicial candidate who is married to a Jew and it must be anti-semitism at work.

If you want to hear crickets, simply mention that if you support the anti-BDS laws, then you also support gov’t blocking Chick-Fil-A.

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Tony Dukes

Historically white christians have brutalized Jews

There is a reason that muslims and Jews get along so well and prefer one another

People of Color and women understand that the future is diverse and that white christians are not invinceable

Corn
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Corn

Hiya Tiny Duck!

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

“Tony Dukes”- what a delightfully trollsome troll. Ha ha!

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He goes to great lengths to avoid the true name: Teeny Dick,

MemeWarVet
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MemeWarVet

Historically, the Jew cries out in pain as he punches the White Christian.

If you love Jews and Muslims so much, Tiny Duck, why don’t you go live among them? Or do you not get to join their little ethnocentric club?

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Ostei Kozelskii

Muzz and Jews get along so well? Heh heh. Well alright there, Shorty…

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Islam, before it’s “holy” propaganda coagulated into Q’uran, began as the vast, violent Jewish messianic movement.

This movement was referenced in New Testament with “sell your cloak to buy a sword.” Jesus’ faction was trying to stop this.

Not the nice messiah. One who demands payment in blood sacrifice, one who will only return to the world after a total bloodbath.

65 million cattle sacrificed on the altar of WWll was a start. This is the true God Juda serves. What then will be His price for the rest of the earth?

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

On this movement’s forcible conversion of the Koreshites, the Christian Judeo-Arabs, called Qurayza in Islam:

http://www.culturewars.com/2018/Gardinerreview.htm

Remember, Ab-ra-ham was the Lucifer. Those are titles, not names, as the Mohammed was also a title.
And we speak of the two sons of the Abraham, the Lucifer, given dominion over the Earth.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

The Jewish parable, “Tale of the Three Rabbis”, tells that Heaven, Pardes (Persian for ‘the Orchard’), Paradise, is not for them. They are to be resurrected bodily as masters of this, the Perfected World. The Ehdeen (Babylonian, ‘Garden’), lost Eden, returned to them. That’s why the mass burials in Ur show no violence, unlike in Egypt. They thought they were coming back; their war was against traditional, hygenic cremation. “Hell”, the ravine of Gehenna in the valley of Hinom- a natural fortress stolen from the innocent Molochites (cremating their children dead of a plague) to stage raids on the city… Read more »

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Alzaebo

Dagnabit! I apologize for the bloviation, folks, but I see religion only as demographic politics in origin. That is what we’re fighting now, yes? A politico-religious conflict? I hope to add insight to the historic pattern and strategy of their great innovation, a playbook. The tribe that seeks to sudue and avenge themselves against the late-stage Roman state religion created by Constantine and Eusebius, what we call Christianity. Yes, there is a deeper element, the “spiritual”, cosmic in scope, ignored by both religious and secular, but listening to the Great Minds is like hearing frightened children argue about comic books.… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Al d’ North mentioned the physical constants. Whenever the Creator (pace, bretheren, let us give it a face and a name, for this is how many can grasp these things)- whenever the Creator tries to change the exquisite balance of physics to reduce the inevitible suffering, the Infection, He ends up with a black hole. Such sorrow! The Hands of the Increate are tied by the very balance that makes existence possible.

It’s up to us, people.
The good and the godly, unknowing, are still accomplishing this work- they are filters, repurifying the Signal for retransmission.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Double-dagnabbit!
All this raving and I still hain’t read the article yet.

The RQ- the religious question- is my #1 obsession. You made me do it, Zman!

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

PS- Genocidal Calvin and the Protestant wars were a repeat effort by the creators of Islam.

They had gotten Byzantium and Persa, and were now coming for the Catholic empire.

WWl and II gave them Eurasia.
Their Confederacy and Teddy R were attempts to take the Spanish Empire.

Vietnam was an attempted seizure of breakaway Mao’s heroin colonies in the Golden Triangle, with Afghan as a successful grab.

Balkan and Arab Springs, with the coming Latin Spring, destabilization to weaken Western allies. Hillary’s dad, after all, was the boss of Chicago’s Jewish Mafia.

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Alzaebo

Ab-ra-ham, Beloved of Ham, Hamm-Ur-Abi, Ham Ur’s King, the Beloved was his ‘right hand’. Lucifer, the High Chamberlain, his right hand who with a third of the dukes and earls tried to take the throne when the stars were right. Gabriel and Michael, Mars and Venus, signalled the time. Ham wanted his right hand, Abraham the Lucifer, to stop raiding tribute-paying statelets, their neighbors, that his consolidated Empire could have peace. The king’s bodyguard, the Host of Heaven, stopped the coup; Abraham grabbed his kin and fled newly rebuilt civilization for the wasteland and there, flipped the story. The divinely… Read more »

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

I like the new handle Duck. Sounds a little like David Dukes. You are correct in a historical sense, in the past Jews did prefer Muslims to Christians mainly on grounds of theology. Easier to pay the Jizya than to be part of society. However a lot of current Islamic leaders would prefer all Jews to be dead with a level of anti semitic fervernace that would make Hitler take note. Also the US and Europe, most of it anyway will basically be no go zones and Asians are even more racial than any Jew is. This means the net… Read more »

NITZAKHON
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Historically, you are only partially correct. Yes, it’s true (((we))) found succor within the Islamic world – but that’s a small comfort considering what we were subjected to.

Jews and Muslims do NOT “get along well”.

And if you’re worried about the rising “alt-right” you’d do well to ask why Judenrats like Barbara Spectre gave them a fusion reactor to power their hatred.

https://redpilljew.blogspot.com/2018/05/g-d-damn-you-barbara-spectre.html

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Judaics fled European pogroms into the arms of the Caliphate throughout it’s history, so much that Hebrew was a dead language sung only in religious songs. To the point that Arabic became the most common language spoken by Jews. They were the protected but second-class citizens of Ishmael’s upstarts, with extra crap dealt to those who made trouble for high-position Jews. Nonetheless, as administrators, they pretty much ran the place, often behind a taken name. The tribe that brought Wahhabism to Arabia were a branch called Donmeh Jews. That accounts for the vicious zealotry. Even 150 years later, Herzl and… Read more »

Corn
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Corn

“What seems like an unlikely partnership today, is most likely the path forward for Israel. The world’s only ethno-state will have to support the concept of ethno-nationalism for everyone.”

There may be signs of this happening already. I haven’t followed closely but hasn’t Netanyahu made some complimentary noises about Orban’s government in Hungary?

Kentucky Headhunter
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Kentucky Headhunter

“The world’s only ethno-state will have to support the concept of ethno-nationalism for everyone.”

Not sure why other ethno-states, especially ones on the opposite side of the world, would care about Israel at all if they didn’t have influential groups of Jews inside them pushing for it.

Rob
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Rob

This is a great week to be a Z man reader, all three posts so far have been insightful and expansive.

Geatland
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Geatland

I’m not particularly interested in discussing Israel or in positions for or against the place. It’s a foreign country. I rarely talk about England or Germany in spite of family ties and a decade of having lived abroad.

Altitude Zero
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Altitude Zero

Yeah, I support Israel’s right to defend themselves, in the same way that I do any other country, no more, no less. There’s no doubt that Americans are way too fixated on the place, both pro and con.

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” There’s no doubt that Americans are way too fixated on the place, both pro and con.”
That would smack more of truthiness if we weren’t pissing billions of dollars a year into the rat hole, and performing outrages like this

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/11/nsa-americans-personal-data-israel-documents

Five years old and not a word from the filth in washington.

The American people clearly are not fixated enough, shlomoe.

Calsdad
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Calsdad

Neither am I. And for the same reasons as you – my heritage has no connections whatsoever to Israel. But here’s the problem: They keep making me (have an interest that is). Remove all subsidies coming from the US government and going to Israel – which get removed from my pocket thru threats of force – and remove all pro-Israel Jewish influence from our politics – and I’d be willing to ignore Israel. When you keep screwing me – you’re forcing me to have an interest. This is something the Jews just simply don’t seem to understand. There seems to… Read more »

Lorenzo
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Lorenzo

As long as we’re at it, let’s remove subsidies to all the other countries we send money to.

Mike_C
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Mike_C

“There’s no business like Shoah business.”
Which is a somewhat facetious way of saying that for a subset of Jews, victimhood and existential threat is the core of their identity. Take that away and what is left? A generally higher-IQ, more or less white person.

For Jews of this ilk, if there is no realistic threat they are compelled to keep screwing with things until they’ve created the enemies they so crave.

Apex Predator
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Apex Predator

What an utterly obtuse and myopic to say. By way of analogy let me introduce you to a fella you may have heard of once or twice. He had a nice message for people like you— “You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.” ― Leon Trotsky “I’m not interested in Israel…” fill in the rest. He was a real nice guy, and I’m sure he had your best interests in mind so definitely don’t worry about Israel. It isn’t like they have any influence whatsoever in your nation’s politics, government, or policies. Another question,… Read more »

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Ostei Kozelskii

Just as the “heartbeat” abortion laws in southern states are largely a response to the legalization of infanticide in New York and Virginia, so the criminalization of criticizing Isreal is significantly a response to the boycott, divest and sanction Isreal movement. Radicalism begets radicalism, and the chasm between the two ideological poles gapes wider. The center cannot hold much longer…

wherearethevikings
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wherearethevikings

The criminalization of criticizing Israel is not that much different from the Tech Nazis’ censorship, except that it was done by legislators who have to answer to the First Amendment. I guess Ron DeSantis and the idiots in the Florida legislature who voted for it missed Constitution day in history class. Probably some of the younger ones didn’t have a Constitution day in history class, but DeSantis is old enough to know better.

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Ostei Kozelskii

I’m afraid most politicians on both sides of the aisle view the Constitution as little more than a quaint relic they’ll occasionally fall back upon when convenient. But do they truly believe the principles it enshrines should govern the US? I really don’t think so.

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What is radical about boycotting something?

Yves Vannes
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This isn’t a new problem: The Assyrians found it necessary to slaughter them, the Babylonians to enslave them, the Persians to corral them. It has been the same story again and again for the past 3000 years. The Hebiru run the table for a few generations and then the boom gets lowered. Our age is no different. Their current run is coming to an end. Will we be Assyrians, Babylonians or Persians? I vote Persians. We have a corral. We paid for it. Let’s ‘put it to good use’. The tragedy of the Hebrews is their origin which was touched… Read more »

Dutch
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Dutch

As usual, it is all against all, and YT is the only one confused and stupid enough, in really large numbers, to not stand up for his side. Part of that is a cultural engineering project, IMO, so I suppose looking at the various engineers is an interesting intellectual project. So much cultural engineering going on, with so many authors.

Yves Vannes
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It’s not that we are stupid, it’s that we follow and have built a very different type of civilization. We are extremely dependent upon the robust commons we have built and are much less dependent upon close kinship ties. This makes us very easy to infiltrate and undermine. Other groups come here and engage as a group pursuing their own group interests as they always have, with little or no give-and-take to out-groups. Almost every other civilization depends upon close kinship ties to function. This sort of parasitism is destroying our commons and it is what is rotting the West… Read more »

Dutch
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Dutch

Great insight, thanks for setting me straight. Internalizing this insight is key to our not being stupid about some things, including assuming our cultural structure and preferences are fundamentally identical to others.

A.B Prosper
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A.B Prosper

In the pre medieval past Europeans were just as clannish as every other groups and some groups Scots and Italians among others still are like this

We’ll lose prosperity if we revert but we’ll gain an actual diversity of culture and a healthier population, if we can avoid more brother wars

Dutch
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Dutch

Just spitballing, but perhaps the building of the significant Western commons has been a by-product of the traditional Protestant construction of such community projects, along with the efforts of those in the service clubs (Elks, Mason, Rotary and such), and some of the more civic-minded local governments and wealthy townfolk. Now that all of those things have been mostly warped, bastardized, or eliminated, the means of actually doing such work to construct a meaningful and elaborate commons has simply vanished. Case in point, the Obama seizure of Chicago’s historic riverfront park to build his presidential not-a-library. A two-fer, as it… Read more »

BadThinker
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BadThinker

The Anglo commons existed long before Protestantism. And the Church of England was essentially Catholic in its nature for a long time.

Yves Vannes
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Our tribe is also a mess. The only way to fix our civilization is to fix the commons … and to do that we can’t allow Jewish or Chinese or Black or Squatemalen group interests to muddle the works (the commons).

The JQ is at the very center of this problem and it has been since the reign of the emperor Hadrian.

To refuse to face this squarely and to not deal with it aggressively is to plot a course for failure.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Are we trying to recreate the environments that formed us?

The shattered wastelands of the Habiru Jews, the deserts of the Bedouin, the icy forests of Europe, the deadly jungles of Africa, the brutal glaciers of the Han, the seething tropics of the Dravidian Abos, the desolate badlands of the Apaches and Yaqui…

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The characteristics that create the white societies that all the world seem to want to live in: Openness, trust, low time value etc. render those societies vulnerable to predation,

Hilltop
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Hilltop

The anti-Semites, of course, look at this as part of the greater plot by those crafty Jews to destroy the West.

He’s right. We do.

John Gritt
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John Gritt

“Judeo-Puritan” — what?! The Z-Man reveals himself to be such a dummy. Puritans never were in a “a state of constant revolution.” Puritans were not moralizing prudes.

The Z-Man is a historical retard. He is like too many atheists who spin any kind of lie to attack Christians.

On a side note, Christian Zionists are morons. They were roundly mocked by most Christians since the late 1800s, seen by most as a fringe group of nutters. There is no basis in the Gospels and anything ever attributed to Jesus to support Zionism.

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Are you a little kid? Serious question.

Whiskey
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Whiskey

Puritan adventurism is such a well known fact that H Rider Haggard based Solomon Kane on it. Hawaii, Guatemala, and Nicaragua were subject to Puritan adventurism. White dude marries the Princess of the local tribe and fights his own people for dynastic reasons as the new Prince. The Spanish though not Puritans had big trouble with a deserter who did just that with the Mayans. Avatar and Dances With Wolves are about an ordinary White man becoming a foreign Prince. So too Little Big Man and Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur’s Court. Jews as a universall explanation for what is… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Except for that the fact that our really big, existiential problems all have Jews at their root.

War, slavery, debt, disruption, depravity, locust hordes, stubborn lies and paranoid delusion- and Whiskey thinks ambition or colonialism is the problem?

Although I do accede your point.
Our malefactors work with the worst of our people, so the worst come to rule us.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

The totalitarian Council of the Elect weren’t prudes? Into the stocks with you!

Well, the leaders weren’t prudes at home. They were like Khamanei with his busloads of little boys- morality police for you, debauchery for me!

Pedophilia, drunkenness, sadism for the Council- no wonder they cracked down on their hapless citizenry..

BadThinker
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BadThinker

Hi, I’m Oliver Cromwell. Your use of the word ‘retard’ is offensive to public morals and should you continue swearing you will be locked away in the tower.

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Z: “Even so, the Left remained anti-Zionist into the 1970’s, siding with the Palestinians as members of the coalition of the oppressed.” I recall you saying this before. I disagree. The Left was hypocritically and shamefully PRO Zionist until relatively recently. The Left magazines and major newspapers, being heavily Jewish, clung to the angle of Israel-as-David and Arabs/West as Goliath, well into the 90’s. The Left always had internal friction on their Pro Israel stance, but in an inside-baseball ignorable way. It started being un-ignorable when the internet hit its stride around ’95 to 00’s when prominent Lefty heavyweights like… Read more »

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Ostei Kozelskii

My guess is the Left began to slowly turn against Israel as early as the mid-60s when the anti-white New Left began supplanting the historical materialist Old Left. Now the New Left is the only Left in town.

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Agree

King Tut
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King Tut

I was a student during the 1980s at mid-sized British university and I remember the student left organising anti-Israel events on campus every so often and passing resolutions supporting the PLO. So it goes back that far at least.

Dutch
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Dutch

In the mid 80’s, when I was teaching at a high end equivalent of high school in the UK, the PLO would provide free “study programs” for the classroom (books, workbooks, maps, etc). Our school did not employ them, as they would simply show up in the post, unsolicited, but I am sure some did. Probably paid for by the Saudis.

TomA
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TomA

The affluence disease disproportionately effects Jews in the US because they are disproportionately skewed toward greater personal wealth. As such, their offspring grow up disproportionately coddled and therefore have declining evolutionary robustness. This leads to fragility in many respects, and our modern society reinforces whining as the antidote. This will serve them well as long as we remain an affluent post-scarcity economy. However, if the bubble bursts, they will not likely mimic their ancestors ability to persevere through real hardship. Nature can be a bitch like that.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Before I even read the article, I’m with Frip on this:
“Rightwing Progressives”- man, that says it all, don’t it?

Shades of Empire Teddy and his Bull Moose Progressive Party!

Sleepy
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Sleepy

Occam’s Razor would tend to suggest that powerful Jews have done so much to change and to harm the US because they don’t like what it is/was, rather than that they underwent some complicated transformation by coming into contact with the descendants of Cotton Mather. Z Man, you could be right but…

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

They were working together.
Had been since young Calvin’s mysterious funders, and jointly in the slave trade.

Boston’s ports hosted Jewish-owned slave ships, and those profits built temples teaching piracy economics to the ruling class.

The pilgrims came here to escape the Puritans. Judeo-Puritan is spot on target.

NITZAKHON
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I want to state this as an American born Jew with roots on my father’s side going back through the Revolution to the Mayflower… and also a Zionist who believes Israel is for the Jews. I want, and hope, that aid to Israel from the US government can be diminished and finally cut off. This is not because I’m not grateful for the aid, but it comes with a lot of strings – like the majority of it having to be spent in the US (which, realistically, is an it-makes-sense requirement). But it hampers Israel’s own defense industry by making… Read more »

3g4me
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3g4me

Precisely as I posited earlier, you are anti-Mohammedan, not pro-White. Your ultimate concern is the status and condition of Jews in America. You have no conception of America as an independent White nation that can limit or ban not merely Negroes or Mohammedans, but also Jews.

NITZAKHON
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My ultimate concern is the preservation of America – the greatest nation that exists, and has ever existed… as part of preserving Western Civilization. Ditto on that.

If you can’t handle that, and don’t see me as an ally with the same “ultimate concern”, even if some of my priorities differ, you’re viewing me – agreeing with you 90% – as a 10% enemy not 90% ally.

If you require 100% purity on every single issue, you’ve got a real short list of allies.

NITZAKHON
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One more thing: Repeal the 1965 immigration reform law. That, combined with:
1. Not just a wall but a minefield on the southern border.
2. Making citizenship in the US hard to get (a la Rush Limbaugh)

happy merchant
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happy merchant

as far as I can envision, America, Israel, and nationalist-rising nations like Poland, Hungary, the Czech Republic, Austria, and others have a common enemy: Islam See, this is why I have a hard time trusting the “alt-Jew”: you can’t help but try to gaslight us. Islam is a problem for Israel because all you ethnically indistinguishable Semites have been slaughtering each other over stupid shit for millenia and YHWH knows you people have long memories. I’m a goy in flyover country. Muzzies are ~1% of the population (yes, too many) and we are not bordered by Muzzies that hate us.… Read more »

A Postcard from the Volcano
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Hi Mossad!

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

What seems like an unlikely partnership today, is most likely the path forward for Israel. The world’s only ethno-state will have to support the concept of ethno-nationalism for everyone.

I think this is plausible, and would be great. If ‘Israel is the national home of the Jewish people’, what exactly are France, Sweden, England etc??

The only caveat is that consistency never seems to govern this stuff. Politics is the game of using hypocrisy to mask self interest as principle. And there’s gonna be a lot of that going around.

NITZAKHON
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France should be the national home of the French; England, of the English, Sweden, ditto, etc., etc., etc.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

That’s exactly my point, that’s exactly what they should be.

NITZAKHON
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So we agree.

Brooklyn
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Brooklyn

“One is the fact Israel puts enormous effort into lobbying the political class in Washington. They are the most effective lobbying machine on earth. ” I agree with you that Israel puts effort into lobbying and that they do reap benefits from it. I don’t think they are the most effective lobbying machine on earth. There are a lot of other countries and alliances do a more successful job of lobbying. The Saudis and Gulf Arabs got us to fight actual wars for them and have bought themselves large shares in everything including think tanks and social media. (Last I… Read more »

King Tut
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King Tut

Is China not an ethno-state? I know they don’t pose as one but, for all intents and purposes, they are one. So it seems to me.

Derp
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Derp

Mostly. They’ve had some trouble with Tibetans and Uighurs, I believe.
“China is vast country with large population [duh]. It is officially composed of 56 ethnic groups, 55 minorities and the dominant Han. Among them, Chinese Han is composed of 93% of the population. Hence, ethnic minorities (shaoshu minzu in Chinese) in China, with 7% population, are the non-Han Chinese population.”
https://www.chinadiscovery.com/ethnic-minority-culture-tour/ethnic-minorities-in-china.html
Regions with a high population of a specific ethnic group are organized into autonomous regions. There are five autonomous regions. Yup, they have some difficulties with minorities.
https://foreignpolicy.com/2009/09/30/chinas-minority-problem-and-ours/

BerndV
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BerndV

I struggled against becoming anti-Semitic for decades. The devestatingly articulate Jews on the conservative team inoculated my mind from full throated contempt. Eventually, the weight of evidence against the Jews as a malevolent force became impossible to ignore. There can be no place for them in any future ethno state. The Michelle Goldbergs of the world have poisoned any possible goodwill I ever had towards the Jewish people. The IQ argument once seemed relevant, but now it is perfectly clear that they simply are not us.

nrer
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Pervertsity makes us stronger. Honk,honk!

Nathan
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Nathan

“Israel” should have been wiped off the map on June 9, 1967. Anyone who thinks we can work with such treacherous people is delusional. Dissident Right people looking for “good Jews” are as ridiculous as MAGAtards looking for a based Black.

Trista
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Trista

Egypt was almost wiped off the map. Very dicey and disturbing. And evil. It can’t really be understood any other way, unless you buy the “accident” theory. “CIA Director Richard Helms, Secretary of State Dean Rusk, Assistant Secretary of State Lucius Battle, and a long list of US Navy officers, government officials and Liberty survivors are on record saying the Israeli attack was intentional… This article is based entirely on documented sources and on interviews with six USS Liberty survivors, as well as Captain Ward Boston and Bill Knutson, the executive officer of the USS America fighter squadron dispatched on… Read more »