Progressive Whites

Yesterday’s gun rally in Richmond Virginia was a great success, at least as a public relations item. You can tell that by the relative lack of interest by the Left. Nothing about the event fit into their narratives, so it had to be ignored. Fanatics see only that which confirms their fanaticism. In this case, they wanted to see white supremacists dressed in Klan robes and Nazi regalia, terrorizing poor black bodies, while Antifa battled them in the streets. None of that happened.

The question that never gets mentioned in all of this is exactly why the newly ascendant radicals in Richmond are attacking gun owners. If you look at what they are proposing, none of it has much practical value. All the talk of confiscation is belied by the actual bills they are producing. One limits handgun purchases to one per month. Another bans private sales of regulated firearms. One vindictively targets the NRA shooting range in Northern Virginia. These have no practical purpose.

The answer here lies in understanding how American Progressive’s view society and their role in it. Contrary to popular opinion, the people behind this stuff are not communist, motivated by Karl Marx. They are not controlled by hand-rubbing lizard people living in a secret volcano. They are not triumphant browns. The people pushing this stuff are white people. There are a few Jews and browns tossed in, but the main body of the Left is still white and formerly Protestant.

The white American Progressive has always imagined society as a fully enclosed community, that is judged as a whole. A popular slogan among them is that “society is judged by how it treats it weakest members.” This is an explicit expression of communal judgement, which is the traveling partner of communal salvation. The white Progressive looks at society as an organism that moves forward as a whole. If some parts lag behind, the whole thing slows to a halt.

Further, the white Progressive believes in the unitary reformer. That is, the reformer is not just focused on one area of society, but the whole of society. Even if their efforts are in one area, those efforts support the whole community. A reform effort that does not promise to move the whole of society forward is of no interest. For white Progressive reformers, society is the flock and they are the shepherds. Anything that threatens their effort to guard and guide the flock must be eliminated.

It is this spatial understanding of the world that helps explain these largely symbolic attacks on the Second Amendment. In the hive mind of the white Progressive, people who own guns are outside the domain of the righteous. Therefore, they must be marginalized from society. Much in the same way they anathematized smoking, white Progressives seek to make owning a gun disqualifying. Symbolically, these measures are aimed at putting gun rights outside the whole of society.

This territorial thinking is why Charlottesville remains an important symbol for white Progressives and why Richmond will be erased from their memory. In the former, the righteous chased the threat to the flock from the field. The physical place of society was literally reclaimed by the good guys. Richmond, in contrast, was when the dark forces of society were permitted to operated unmolested. The bad guys did not win. The shepherds were forced to hide their flocks.

There is another aspect to this. White Progressives are aroused by the thought of the Charlottesville riots, because the radical mind needs violence in the same way the body needs food. While many white Progressives reformers are sincere, if deranged, others are in it for the blood. They need to terrorize and attack the enemy. In the same way the bully needs to terrorize the nerd in order to be a bully, the white radical needs the enemy of the cause in order to maintain his identity.

Therein lies the other reason why Richmond will be forgotten, while Charlottesville will be a regular story in the 2020 election. It was there that the need to terrorize the enemy of the flock was fully actualized. They not only chased the evil doers from the field; they drew blood and they had a sacrifice. Notice they always remember the fat women, who died, but not the cops. That’s because she was a blood sacrifice to the cause, while the cops that died were just collateral damage.

This is how to understand these pointless gun grabbing efforts, as well as many other Progressive fads we see today. In Virginia, these proposals are like the winning side erecting a trophy on the field of battle. The good whites have recaptured the heart of the Confederacy, the home of the bad whites. They did not eliminate the enemy, however, as they are still out there in the counties that refused to support the Progressive reformers. The fight must continue.

This is why facts and reason have no effect on white Progressives. They see themselves as defenders of the innocent against the attacks of those who seek to destroy the whole by corrupting the weak. Against such delusions, facts and reason are wholly ineffectual. Appeals to their humanity, on the other hand, are infuriating, as it calls into the question the point of their existence. It is why they are most vulnerable to moral arguments. It cuts to their sense of identity.

Of course, the Left is not just white Progressives. There are other parts, but their motivations are different and mostly modifiers to the whole. These other groups operate from ethnocentric motives. Blacks want free stuff and easy access to white people, while Jews want what is best for Jews. The newly arrived non-whites want a short path to the material assets of the white majority. The bulk of the Left, however, are white Progressives, who provide the power and authority.

The thermal exhaust port of the Progressive death star is their sense of moral purpose, not factual accuracy or even the relationships between the tribes of the Left. The white Progressive sees contrary facts and internal divisions as challenges the righteous shepherd must overcome. Call into question the moral standing of the white Progressive and the very center of the Left begins to collapse. Self-righteous certainty of purpose is the main tent pole that holds Progressivism together.


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BadThinker
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Hence why “The Democrats Are the Real Racists” canard never works – all the white progressive hears is “racism still bad”. But if you question their idea of “racism” completely, they start to sputter and blue screen.

Carl B.
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Carl B.

Don’t miss the overarching thread of yesterday’s “protest”: The Media(which is the de facto head of the American Left)didn’t refer to the “protesters” as 2A/firearm rights demonstrators but defined them – vilified them in fact – as White Supremacists and White Nationalists” This is extremely important. We can see what we’re up against, where this is going. The Left means to ostracize you, to destroy your livelihood, make you a pariah, and exterminate you and anyone like you. Deal with it.

Michaeloh
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Michaeloh

Zman’s true believing shepherds may explain the progressive white leadership better than the foot soldiers. What type of gringo is drawn to antifa? Not so much wine box Auntie or the NPR liberal living in safe whitopias. OTOH imagine being someone who is so low on the sexual market totempole that you have never had a girl/boyfriend, or at least one worth having. You are not good looking, smart, athletic, or funny. That can make for a rough high school experience and it doesnt get better after graduation since flippin burgers doesnt buy a lot of attention from the opposite… Read more »

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Felix_Krull

Great column. One aspect of the American love affair with guns, is that it’s very easy to rattle rightwingers’ cages, to make them chase the stick. All you have to do is ban high capacity barrels or bump magazines, and suddenly the conversation about liberty and white sovereignty is drowned out by muh guns. As Ramz noted the other day, wouldn’t it have been wonderful if those people were in the streets protesting refugee resettlement? Also, there’s an element of comfort blanket to muh guns. It allows you to not sully yourself with politics, because you believe you always have… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

The gun issue is helpful for our side, but I agree, too many whites mistakenly believe that our stockpile of weapons will magically protect us. Okay, while we add another rifle and some ammo to our collection, the Dems import another couple of million browns to vote you into submission.

What good do those guns do you if you town goes from 90% white to 40% white. Are you going to shoot your way back to 90%? Of course not. So what exactly did those guns do for you?

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Felix_Krull

What I like about the Second Amendment, is that it’s a reminder that America is a republic, that the ultimate authority lies with the people. Other countries might have gun laws similar to the US, but their citizens are only allowed to own guns at the sufferance of the state. Mind you, I’m not against gun ownership and if I lived in urban US, I’d most likely want a gun too, but there’s an almost spiritual dimension in Americans’ attitude towards guns. Next to Switzerland, Sweden is the most gunned-up country in Europe with about one privately owned firearm for… Read more »

Exile
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Exile

Felix, can confirm. None of the Scandis I spoke with seemed to care about gun ownership even though they could lawfully own a gun. And even then, they only talked about it in the hunting context. No one ever mentioned having a gun for protection. I was usually concerned with other subjects and knew Europe had no gun-culture, so I wasn’t thinking too much about it at the time, but now that you mention it, it’s really a non-issue there. There’s a lesson there for us. Euros in Our Thing are more advanced in terms of political action and influence… Read more »

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They don’t need guns for protections because they don’t have millions of feral negroes and beaners roaming free. As someone said, if you delete those numbers, America’s rate of violent crime is lower than Finland. Strikes: another benefit of their strong labor movements (which the Right calls “Communism!”). Another benefit is that they don’t need a First Amendment (“Muh Constitution”) since it’s impossible to fire someone for their opinions. As someone (Zman?) said last week, you can see that the real agenda isn’t “fighting crime,” because they well know that’s the result of negroes, and they don’t use AK47s. Nor… Read more »

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Carl B.

Just exactly where do you think you would you be today if there wasn’t 300 million firearms in the hands of the American people? How do you intend to force GoodWhites and the Tribe who comprise the Ruling Classes to reduce illegal immigration? Through the Vote? By electing a Bad Orange Man? I have seen the future on TV commercials played during Sportsball games and White boys ain’t in it. Catastrophe for Whites is inbound and you had better face reality. Mao said all power comes from the barrel of a gun. Mao, unlike 95% of White Americans, knew all… Read more »

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Felix_Krull

Just exactly where do you think you would you be today if there wasn’t 300 million firearms in the hands of the American people? I have no idea. Do you give clues? How do you intend to force GoodWhites and the Tribe who comprise the Ruling Classes to reduce illegal immigration? If firearms was a solution, California would still be on American hands. How do you imagine you’re going to stop mass immigration with firearms? Here you are with your pals and your AR-15s and your Barret 50s and there are the feds with their AH-64s and their A-10s. What’s… Read more »

Carl B.
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Carl B.

There is no “battle plan.” There is never a “battle plan.” When the oppressor gets too oppressive stuff happens. See Viet Nam, Afghanistan, etc., vs. The Leviathan for details. Of course that’s assuming Whites are still willing to die for a cause and that’s a big assumption. As it looks today American White males may end up stripped of their firearms, their dignity, and live out their miserable existence on a “reservation.” See the American Indian for details. BTW, “prepping” or however you choose to define it isn’t to “prevent” catastrophe, it is to allow one to deal with life… Read more »

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Felix_Krull

As it looks today American White males may end up stripped of their firearms, their dignity

There’s the problem, right there. A firearm is either a tool, a weapon or a sporting item, it has nothing to do with your dignity.

See Viet Nam, Afghanistan, etc., vs. The Leviathan for details.

Look up how many lives were lost when Denmark went from monarchical absolutism to democracy.

Carl B.
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Carl B.

I don’t mean to sound chauvinistic but I really don’t give a damn how they do it in Europe. Or Kalifornia, New York, or anywhere else that has surrendered to progressivism.

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Felix_Krull

I don’t mean to sound chauvinistic but I really don’t give a damn how they do it in Europe. Or Kalifornia, New York, or anywhere else that has surrendered to progressivism.

I can understand about Europe, but if you are willing to write off The Golden State with a shrug, when is your No Passaran-moment? If the answer is “at my doorstep”, you stand alone. Hope you’ve got plenty of ammo.

Carl B.
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Carl B.

Out here in the rural South I am not alone and we have plenty of ammo. If there is ever a “stand” this area, and others like it in the Mountain West and the Mid-West, is where it will happen. This ain’t Anaheim, Chula Vista, or Poughkeepsie. It’s still America out here more or less.

I gave up Kalifornia for lost over 30 years ago. I live as free as I possibly can avoiding urban anthills, crowds, GoodWhites, and “migrants.”

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Felix_Krull

I believe in a different path, but goodspeed to you, your family and your country.

Allfather
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Allfather

You are a nihilist or a troll. If you believe you are defeated then you are. I guess you take some pride in falling to your knees when whites are still the majority? You are the problem. I’ve never seen more poor leadership principles than in your posts. You have clearly never led men before. It’s a different reality than you have ever experienced. Keep hoping the country keeps you re-supplied. You will have no electricity when it happens, and the feral orks will be at your doorstep. I will not defend you, nor will any people I lead. Does… Read more »

Exile
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Exile

“I really don’t give a damn about things that don’t confirm my beliefs, I want my woobie.”

Carl, Europe on the whole has no more “surrendered to Progressivism” than America has. Some parts/people have, some haven’t. California is full of based rednecks who agree with Us. So is upstate New York.

You can sound as chauvanistic as you like, but stereotypes only work if they’re accurate. Yours are straight out of Hannityville, and they’re part of the problem we have with building a right wing that wins rather than one that LARPs and copes.

Compsci
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Compsci

There I somewhat disagree. To be stripped of arms has been an indignity throughout the ages. Indeed, the bearing of arms and the type of arms that may be carried has always been a sign of status in the West and I suspect throughout the world. And it’s the stripping of arms we are talking about, not their particular utility in any hypothetical situation. Now such may have changed in most of the poz’d West in the last couple of centuries. America was fairly unique in that colonists (every able-bodied man—and women) had to fight hostile Indians for over two… Read more »

Exile
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Exile

Prepping is great and I think everyone who isn’t a for-real criminal should own a gun. But that’s light-years away from organized armed resistance. Even Our Guys are physically scattered, culturally divided and massively out-gunned, out-funded and out-organized by the opposition. We have to learn to walk before we can march. And Europe shows us that gun rights and political power are two different conversations.

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Apex Predator

I’m not in disagreement with what you are saying which is a mountain of guns collecting dust are basically useless, but you jumped the shark on this one tired argument and it smacks of lefty ignorance of logistics & war in general: “Here you are with your pals and your AR-15s and your Barret 50s and there are the feds with their AH-64s and their A-10s.” Simple mathematics, how many Apaches and A-10s are available vs. the millions of AR rifles? How many men and how much training is needed to maintain those weapon platforms vs. the AR platform? If… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

Apex, you re right about small arms vs heavy weapons. Vietnam, Afghanistan (2 times, against the Red Army and against us) and Iraq are plenty proof of that. But you re asking the wrong question. The real question is: if guns prevented tyranny, why are whites in America, ie heritage Americans, about to become minority in their own country?? Anything that is irrelevant to that question is irrelevant to the future of America.

And yes, I still support gun rights. I just think they are a distraction from the real problem.

Rogeru
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Rogeru

@moran ya simba
” real question is: if guns prevented tyranny, why are whites in America, ie heritage Americans, about to become minority in their own country?? ”

Guns don’t prevent anything, they’re tools of man’s will. If men lack will, no tool can save them.

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Felix_Krull

If I had to fight a war tomorrow and you offered me 100,000 riflemen or 1000 AH-64s? LOL, just stop… again, it is -not- a good look about your understanding of actual tactics and logistics tails of various systems. Exactly the kind of larper prattle that displaces serious political discussions. Afghanistan, Vietnam and Iran are NOTHING like the US, they’re fighting a foreign invader and virtually everybody is on the side of the local boys, even they guys that work for the US occupation. If you end up in another civil war, you’ll be fighting your own people, and most… Read more »

Allfather
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Allfather

Then explain why superior military power loses in Afghanistan, Iraq, and even Viet Nam, with an adversary with just small arms?

It’s called guerrilla warfare; it’s still used because it works.

Allfather
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Allfather

Give me 1,000 riflemen and see what happens.

It’s so easy. I’ve done it before. Just break them down into squads of minimum 5 men rifle teams. I would always add some demolition teams to that too, but, rifle squads alone would work.

That makes 200 rifle teams. It’s amazing the damage that just one team can do.

Think infrastructure, not people.

You don’t get it do you?

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I’ve seen it posited, and it seemed accurate, that the most effective approach would be against a couple of wives or kids of the local enforcers.

Normie
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Apex, So you’re stating (as fact) that normal citizens with their 300 million fire arms could take on the Gov. Military of the US? The Drones… The 1.16 million Military Personnel in the Coastal US? Tanks, Aircraft and Mortar… Seriously? And before you state “most Military Men would fight with their families” reread world history and let me know how many paid soldiers stuck with the pay check or instead fought tyranny and decided not to get paid anymore… The stupidest argument on earth is “if I have an AR 15 I’m protected from my Government.” Nope. All a gun… Read more »

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I’m going to say here that I usually like the comments from our Euro posters like Felix and Exile but today I need to disagree with you. I’ll try to address some of your arguments: 1. Modern high tech sooooper weapons can’t be beat, might as well give up. You can’t fight the US military with all their captured flying saucer tech… Others have pointed out that some of our own country’s pointless wars for Isra… er freedumb and dumbocracy, have shown that yes, peasants with small arms can make life extremely difficult for bugmen in spaceships. Felix countered with… Read more »

Exile
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Exile

Poz, I’m hardly a “Euro poster.” I grew up in Southern Ohio and I’ve lived in California for years. I’m typing this in San Diego. 1. Who said anything about giving up? I’m for fighting in a time and place and manner more of our choosing rather than letting a superior-armed, better organized opponent destroy us in detail, and I’m for doing it after events have beat him down for me. We’re not in some “5 years or finished” scenario. We have time and space, let’s use them. 2. The problem with the woobie is that it keeps Linus from… Read more »

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Ok Exile, I’m aware that you’re an American but I group you with the Euros because you obviously get there more than I do and have a better knowledge of the place(s). Also, my posts are always too long to begin with so I generalized. So I’ll answer your answers. Points 1 & 2. Well I agree about this. We should never play to our enemies’ strengths. I’m just less sure than you that he’ll actually be able to marshal those “superior arms and organization” quite as readily. I don’t doubt that the US has the most fearsome war machine… Read more »

PrimiPilus
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……. ??? They didn’t work so well overall for us — those techno killing marvels — in Afgh & Iraq. It’s not the weapons. It’s what you are willing to do. Yes, gun owning Americans are reluctAnt to cross certain lines. They’re still hobbled by an unclear understanding of what’s going on, by a delusional mindset, and by a love for or refuge in an idea of what America was. The myth that gives their lives meaning and keeps them sane may indeed be to powerful to transcend. But don’t delude yourself about what a determined people with 300+ M… Read more »

Allfather
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Allfather

Really? What is an A-10 rifle? Last I checked it was a anti-tank aircraft, affectionately known as the A-10 Warthog.

I’m sure you meant the AR-10 which is chambered in .308.

You seem to be a fraud or just really naive in things of this nature.

Dave
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Dave

I have no idea when I will have occasion to use my guns, with whom and against whom, but I can assure you all that never in human history has an incipient civil war been averted by one side telling the other to hand over their guns. Even in the most unfree countries that always had strict gun control, war breaks out and everyone suddenly has guns.

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

Look, I love that Americans are armed to the teeth. But those guns don’t do us much good until things get unimaginably bad. I’d prefer to not reach that point. And that means trying to organize, recruit and, eventually, push back in non-violent ways.

I realize that at the moment, that seems like a pipe dream, but you have to start somewhere.

Exile
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Exile

Carl, how are they doing it in Italy, Hungary, Greece, etc..? No one is “forcing” our elites to do anything – we’re getting rolled every day. Gun-grabbing is an issue we can exploit because it hits normies where they can still feel anger and loss. But guns are more a factor in the nightmares of paranoid Progs than the actual political calculations of elite policy-makers. They’re a limiting factor, but don’t overestimate that.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

Just exactly where do you think you would you be today if there wasn’t 300 million firearms in the hands of the American people? In terms of the two most important issues of all, demographic replacement and neomarxist perversion of society, the US, with liberal gun laws, is competing with Sweden (Euro style gun laws but relatively many guns) and France for being in the deepest fix. How much worse could it be? Guns did NOTHING against these things. I like guns too. But you are ignoring facts and grabbing your comfort blankets; guns don’t prevent demographic replacement. You will… Read more »

Yves Vannes
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Guns have always seemed to me not a brake on the pozz but rather a final firewall. When things get to the point where our tribe becomes so cornered that instinct will finally drive them to finally act, they’ll have access to something more than a pitchfork. Whites in the US have no political out. Our brethren across the pond can and do form political parties. That is their firewall. The options are different so the focus is different. The Europeans have a chance to turn things around through their institutions without going into total meltdown. This option is dead… Read more »

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YV writes: “The Europeans have a chance to turn things around through their institutions without going into total meltdown. This option is dead to us.” I think you summed up the difference better than I did with all my excess wordage. Another thing you hinted at and that Exile also did in his retort to my first post above was that in the longer term the Left’s coalition of freaks and morons will be hard to control and also eventually degrades his capacity to get things done. This is why I pointed out that if and when the “final battle”… Read more »

Yves Vannes
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I agree completely. When they again get control of the executive branch it will be peddle to the metal for them.

Compsci
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Compsci

From Moa’s “Red Book” (IIRC), “Get a Big Knife”:

“Get a knife. With a big knife, you can get a sword. With a sword, you can get a pistol. With a pistol, you can get a rifle. With a rifle, you can get anything”. 😉

There—and you thought I wasted all my college years in pursuit of boring academics.

John Smith
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Ask the Boers who settled Africa. Or the settlers of America. A gun is a great thing to have if you are confronting bad people and you need to protect yourself.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

Sure they are (not being sarcastic btw). But how did South Africa work out for the Boers long-term?? Guns are not the real issue, one way or the other. We need to confront this red herring about guns.

Compsci
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Compsci

Boars/South Africans gave up their country. As I see us doing. But right now they are arming, training, and planning for the final push of their vibrant countrymen who campaign openly on a platform of White extermination. Perhaps that’s our fate as well, but damn if they (SA Whites) will “go gently into that good night”. Bully for them.

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Peter
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Peter

I work with several ex-pat SAFA’s and one Rhodesian. No need to ask them how it turned out. If you’re an American and are ignorant of how it turned out for them you’re going to find out fairly soon

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Twitter wisdom:

“america can have a 2A and still become a gay brown stripmall”

Carl B.
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Carl B.

Can you not say something positive about the thousands of Americans who got off their asses and actually confronted the Leviathan and its Media arm on their own turf?

Member

Ok, good show boys. Now how about Felix’s take on them moving to other issues such as the immigration and move your troops there to protest.
You know, if you are of a really diabolically frame of mind, you would think the overlords would let us keep fighting and holding ground on the gun rights. Then, just keep winning and beating us down on everything else. Then guns and the so called rights that go with them mean nothing.

Carl B.
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Carl B.

Essentially these “protesters” were the same demographic as the “Tea Party.” They were ridiculed by the Leviathan and ignored by the Republican Party. But if you want to take the lead on the next assault on the Ruling Class be my guest.

Exile
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Exile

Carl, I was in that last Tea Party “assault.” We accomplished nothing. We were subverted from Day 1 by the consultant class and our voltage was harmlessly grounded into GOP politics. Our candidates were all shills like Flake & Amash. We didn’t make a difference and we’re a footnote and cautionary tale at best now. We deserve to be ridiculed and ignored for those years and those efforts because we lost. You have to win to be respected. We’re here today because of lessons learned. I for one don’t want props for wasting my time in Tea Party politics.

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

Those guys were great. It was a very good day for our side. I just wish whites got as upset about other issues.

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Felix_Krull

Of course. I might do that in another post.

But compared to Pegida in Germany or the Yellow Vests in France, it’s puny stuff and, as I wrote, a diversion of nationalist energy into a less important issue.

Carl B.
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Carl B.

And yet they are still powerless drones.

Exile
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Exile

The Yellow Vests have achieved more policy change than MAGA – not a high bar, mind you.

Carl B.
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Carl B.

You really believe that?

Exile
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Exile

What has MAGA accomplished beyond based tweets & tax cuts for Mitt Romney ?

Compare:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_vests_movement#Economic_reforms

Thin gruel, but at least it was gruel for the proles, not the banksters.

Normie
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What has MAGA accomplished other than giving the world the Bad Orange Man humiliating himself on a daily basis?

Compsci
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Compsci

Normie, you might know some of what Trump has done if you read this blog more regularly and stop simply looking for a trolling opportunity.

Paintersforms
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Paintersforms

The American system is laggy by design but irresistible when it gets rolling. It took 75 years of immigration, free trade, liberal democracy, and the Marshall Plan mindset to get us here. In the face of heavy if ultimately failed conservative resistance. Greater resistance from the libs today. Change is coming.

Member

What are these yellow vests that you mentioned?

Exile
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Exile

Magic Jew theory, media edition. The YV’s have achieved some concessions and they’ve forced enough coverage from an equally cucked and pozzed Euro media establishment. To make your point, you have to ignore the fact that they’ve been a significant news item for over a year and the fact that they’ve achieved real governmental concessions. It’s a cute point to make, but it’s not accurate.

ReturnOfBestGuest
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ReturnOfBestGuest

Every week thousands upon thousands of the “Gilet Jaunes” turn out to protest. When was the last time the media covered it? Corporate and governmental censorship (I repeat myself) is a problem that I don’t see getting any better.

Member

That’s why I sarcastically asked about the yellow vests. Some downvoter doesn’t get it.

Paintersforms
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Paintersforms

Agree but many on the right won’t kick the doom porn addiction. Imagine what could be accomplished if people expected to win!

Exile
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Exile

As much as I hate to admit it, there’s a consumerist element here. The gun culture is largely a middle-class thing and the middle-class tends to see things in terms of stuff.

As in “you can wreck my neighborhood, poz my kids and make me an exile in my own homeland, but don’t touch my stuff.”

Same as it ever was. A wise Italian once said “men sooner forget the death of their father than the loss of their patrimony.”

Dutch
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Dutch

There is another angle to gun ownership and the right thereof, and that is the expression of “agency”. It is a tangible element of “I have control over my life”, though most people on our side can lose track of that in the more granular arguments. The other side certainly sees gun ownership as evidence of ones control over his own life, and wants to take that agency away. They get it, but don’t say it. It is about handcuffing us for our demands to carry on our lives independent of the dictates of the borg.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

I think you are right but I also think there is a comfort blanket side to guns. B/c, except in immediate self-defense situations, they dont actually give you more control over your life. Use guns in a criminal way and your life is effectively over, w decades in the big house. Go and live by yourself in the woods? How long before hikers report ‘scary hobo in the woods w a gun’ and cops swarm in to find you? Guns do not give you much additional control, save for self-defense situations.

Ursula
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Ursula

I think there’s a sort of predatory wildness included in the spirit of the U.S. that is mitigated by the public’s ownership of 100’s of millions of guns. I have no doubt we’d be worse off without the guns. Also, what Dutch said.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

Look, Im a little black-pilled on guns. B/c the anti-tyranny argument about guns, it doesn’t work. If guns can’t prevent whites from becoming minority, that defines them as a minor issue.

Ursula
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Ursula

I hear what you’re saying and I used to share that belief, but now I see that the gun guys are right, it’s just that their way of presenting their position is obtuse and hostile and turns off a lot of people. If the U.S. public didn’t own so many guns, I think the censorship we see from Big Tech would be much worse, carrying over to banking accounts and hiring/firing practices in not only the private sector but the government as well, and not just for the most outspoken among us, but for any subtle reason given by a… Read more »

Ursula
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Ursula

BTW, the gun owners and other rightists come off as “obtuse and hostile” because many of them saw and felt this pozzed totalitarianism coming on many decades ago and, eventually, they gave up on their countrymen ever seeing and understanding what they do after being shouted down and chased off platforms. But they were right, we’re all catching up, so please understand when conservative people have little faith in things being turned around it’s because they saw it decades before the rest of us. To those who are able to still communicate it, God bless you! To those who are… Read more »

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Felix_Krull

If the U.S. public didn’t own so many guns, I think the censorship we see from Big Tech would be much worse, carrying over to banking accounts and hiring/firing practices in not only the private sector but the government as well Big Tech censorship is as bad in the US as almost anywhere in the Western world, bar Britain, Sweden and (for particular, historical reasons) Germany. Americans are being denied financial services for political reasons (something that’s not even happening in Sweden), people are being fired for wearing MAGA-hats, and the government OPENLY practices hiring policies that are discriminatory against… Read more »

Ursula
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Ursula

I hear you loud and clear, Felix. But I honestly do not think things would be better without our gun rights in the U.S. We live in a land that has no concept of Labor-Management shared power in the workplace that you have in the most civilized parts of Europe. Even worse, we are now going backward in the U.S. in terms of knowledge, intelligence and smarts in our political leaders, who are increasingly from lands that hate the white heritage people of the U.S. The left is still anticipating that upward, civilized coup of universal health care, but due… Read more »

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Felix_Krull

But I honestly do not think things would be better without our gun rights in the U.S

Probably not, no, but the question is whether they impact the key issues at all.

I absolutely agree that medicare for all is a ripoff of white people, as are all social services extended to invaders: there’s a limit to how many health services even obese Westerners can consume, so you import customers from all over the world and put the bill on whitey’s tab.

I hope universal health care is abolished here in Denmark, because it’s a major pull factor in immigration.

Ursula
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Ursula

I agree with you, Felix. I’d like to be able to just go to the doctor and pay a reasonable fee for services, without any insurance middleman. Maybe a homogenous, civilized white society could subsidize catastrophic care so no one is worried if a stroke makes a family member into a perpetual vegetable, but all other services are the responsibility of the individual. That’s the extent of collective medical care I’d like to see. Otherwise, would love to be able to visit any clinic or doctor for assistance with a cold or medical condition and pay a reasonable fee for… Read more »

Ursula
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Ursula

It’s the threat of guns that keep excess or over-reaching governance at bay. That still applies in America, though it’s becoming increasingly shaky.

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Felix_Krull

It’s the threat of guns that keep excess or over-reaching governance at bay.

Governmental overbearance is not kept at bay in the US, it’s running amok.

As I said, I think the two issues are unrelated: Britain has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the world, Sweden some of the most liberal, but both countries suffer gravely from government persecution of political wrongthink.

Exile
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Exile
Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

That’s a really good point. It made me think that we are still struggling on the marxist-liberterian materialist turf. That’s why we get hammered all the time.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

I support gun rights but I think you are largely right. It is a matter of simple empiricism that guns have done nothing to prevent multiculturalism ie demographic replacement, gross government abuse and humiliation of whites, especially straight white males. Also by way of comparison, guns in a place like Afghanistan have not prevented one insane government taking over from the last. And take any of the Eastern European countries right after WWII. They must have been afloat in small arms, German, Russian, whatever Polish farmers had of shotguns and hunting rifles. That did nothing to prevent the NKVD from… Read more »

John Smith
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No offence Felix, but you have that one exactly backwards. The gun movement is all about patriotism; and protecting freedom and liberty. Give those guys a chance and they’ll be speeching about God, Mom, apple pie and God that’ll bring tears of pride to the eye. In point of fact – every dissident here should own a gun and be proficient in its use and the laws pertaining to it. The gun community IS behind the 8 ball on race realities. Most gunnies believe all men are equal, and are cucked about race realism. That is changing rapidly thanks to… Read more »

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Felix_Krull

The gun movement is all about patriotism; and protecting freedom and liberty. But that is exactly the problem here: the philosophical conflation of gun rights and basic freedoms. One has nought to do with the other. If the government banned power drills or chain saws, it would impact white men’s practical freedoms much more than if they banned suppressors or high-capacity magazines, and people would (hopefully) riot in the streets, but nobody would claim that owning a power drill were essential to being a free American. To repeat: I’m not against gun ownership but it should not be a defining… Read more »

ProZNoV
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ProZNoV

Small Point of Order:

It’s not a “love affair with guns”.

It’s more of an attitude of let the f-er’s know that, if push comes to shove, about 1% of the population would rather self-immolate than comply when pushed too hard.

The hope is that that will cause some “pause”.*

* There is no evidence of that, however. “We are doomed”, indeed.

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Felix_Krull

It’s more of an attitude of let the f-er’s know that, if push comes to shove, about 1% of the population would rather self-immolate than comply when pushed too hard.

Yes, but the problem is that nobody actually believe that. Globohomo has been running train on your ass for the last two decades, almost as if they were not scared of your popguns. At all.

Compsci
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Compsci

But Felix, if they are not scared, why not allow us the right to keep and bear arms? Seems like a lot of trouble for nothing? Somewhere there is value to them to be discussing such laws and restrictions. And what is of value to the “Globahomo’s” is of equal value to me to object to. Yes, it would be nice to direct all those energies to a major march on Washington to protest immigration, but people have their priorities I suppose. They not your priorities, but the trick is to make the best of them for the ultimate cause… Read more »

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Felix_Krull

if they are not scared, why not allow us the right to keep and bear arms? Good question. I’m guessing here, but I suspect it’s connected to the fact that guns is such a charged issue to Americans, not just politically but on an almost existential level: it seems to be an identity marker almost as signal as skin color. This makes the regressives feel they’re fighting the power, and they’re confirmed in that belief by the reaction of the 2a’ers. Maybe they ride that pony because everything that divides Americans is good for globohomo. Or maybe they just like… Read more »

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Felix_Krull

I mean, nobody is scared of global warming either, they just pretend to be because it’s good politics. The same is most likely the case with gun-grabbing.

Joseph S. Blow, III
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Joseph S. Blow, III

At least outwardly, the bill regarding 1 gun/month is related to Bloomberg’s claim that the handguns in the hands of ‘urban teens’ are originally sold in the South. I’ve no idea if this is based in truth, but his money is behind a lot of this. The local and state government’s shenanigans in C’ville, at least those that stood-down and forced the protestors through a gauntlet of counter-protesters, rather than doing their job of actual peacekeeping, came out in the following investigations. The VA state senator’s tweet naming the current protest as a trap for domestic terrorists was also telling.… Read more »

Tarl Cabot
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Tarl Cabot

I’m not so certain. Richmond has become at least a counter argument to Charlottesville. Even normies will understand that the difference was no Antifa.

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Bah. No Antifa makes a difference, but no torches and idiot larps is, oyez, oyez, more noteworthy.

The Charlottesville outcome was well desevrved. Bunch of moron spergs a year ago. [I mean really. TIKI TORCHES?]

Way more normal people for Lobby Day MLK 2020 in Richmond.

Still too many mountain man larps [even if more sane] for my taste though. Those guys need to get over themselves. Daisy Duke is swinging the other way now after going to Evergreen State.

Ursula
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Ursula

The 1 gun per month limit is the sneaky way of the left. If they succeed in this, they will put their foot in the door for many other limits on gun ownership. This is why they present a bill that sounds overly reasonable on its face. For the low-info voter. Who would oppose a limit to one handgun being purchased per month? So reasonable. And then — **GOTCHA!!** Go to re-education camp, directly to re-education camp, do not stop for job or money or life — you are OUT!!

Lineman
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Lineman

No it’s a way to track you Ursula because how else are they going to know if you have bought one gun unless there is some sort of registry…So it’s a registration scheme on the down low…

Carl B.
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Carl B.

The people pushing this stuff are white people. There are a few Jews and browns tossed in, but the main body of the Left is still white and formerly Protestant.

A fact many readers of this site need to get through their heads.

Marko
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Marko

Exactly. White people have a special combination of intelligence, organization, & work ethic. On the one hand this leads them to create great societies and expansive empires. On the other hand it leads to terrible righteous fads like Bolshevism, Nazism, and Neoliberal Progressivism. Basically, when whites unite for something, WATCH OUT.

Compsci
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Compsci

Basically, we are in a civil war with our own people. The other minorities can be handled—they just want material shit, the problem is with progressive Whites.

UFO
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UFO

Yeah. The non whites get invited here from their shithole, given free stuff, and given preferential hiring for jobs. Of course they’re going to say yes. They think we’re fools. And most of us are. They are assimilating into globohomo. Saw a band of babbling hijabs today at the mall. Only one was pushing a stroller. Chattering away in Arabic. Spending every last penny of their husbands income or welfare cheques on vain shit. Exactly what tptb want. Soulless, childless, deracinated transplant consumers. Frankly we all lose over time and long term they would be better off spiritually in their… Read more »

UFO
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UFO

Same with Indians. They are better off in india. They are rich, but soulless lonely and sexless in the west. They developed their own caste and marriage system which works for them. Why do they need to become us? Our current system barely even works for white people.

Ursula
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Ursula

Except they have greater numbers now for a community of many like themselves, which allow them to sh!t on the whites who tolerated them and allowed further access. They hire their own Indians, to hell with the naive tolerant whites who gave them this obscene advantage in white lands. Same for Latinos. It’s nuts.

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

We understand that. But we also understand that as you move from the “main body of the Left” to brain, the ratio of “white and formerly Protestant” and Jews changes dramatically. We also know who finances the Left and who controls their propaganda wing, i.e. the media.

We can look at the facts and know who’s behind the curtain. We can also understand that progressive whites buy it hook, line and sinker because they want to believe it. It takes two to tango.

Cerulean
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Cerulean

Formerly Protestant? I don’t think any religious body is immune to the left. The following quote could be applied to almost any national mainline church body.

https://cruxnow.com/church-in-the-usa/2016/06/catholic-church-say-gun-control/

“Catholics wondering what the Church has to say on the subject will find nothing firm from Rome, but a clear drift from the U.S. bishops in favor of stronger controls and the eventual near-elimination of guns from American society.”

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Also, the larger a state’s WHITE Catholic population the more likely they are to be loyal to the Left. (MA, CT, RI, NY). And most of those people in media who are not Jewish are usually Catholics – actually, former Catholics – with the handful of Wasps mostly being gay and thus less representative of their group than the Jews and white Catholics..

The “blame the Protestants/Puritans” theory is as magical as White Privilege theory, with just as much – or rather, as little – quantitative evidence to back it up. Re-heated Moldbuggism.

Mark Taylor
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Mark Taylor

If it were just whites we wouldn’t need a protest because whites support gun ownership. All minorities do not.

Asian: Control gun ownership 71% / protect gun ownership 17%.
• Black: Control gun ownership 73% / protect gun ownership 25%.
• Hispanic: Control gun ownership 69% / protect gun ownership28%.
• White: Control gun ownership 42% / protect gun ownership 55%.

Anyone who want to believe this is from “white progs” is lying to themselves.

Pickle Rick
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The other thing that the left has to memory hole about Richmond is that on Saint Martin Luther King’s Day, where the media normally bombards us with footage of negroes marching in the streets of formerly white cities with whites falling in prostration to the sainted negro, armed white men marched around in their turf, and King was mostly off the radar.

KGB
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KGB

My local news didn’t skimp on the honky obeisance.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

My local news only paid the minimum of lip service. Wokey, Blackie, and Brownie were holding their breath, waiting to see what Whitey would do.

Whitey shook the sheriff’s hand, and picked up the trash.

Here’s to Second Amendment Day!

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

This is why I’ve always hated labeling the other side the “Left.” They’re not Communists; they’re theocrats imposing the Cult or Equality on the country. (Jews and the brown horde aren’t Leftists either, they’re just looking out for ethnic interest and free stuff.)

This is a religious war, not an ideological war. We are their devil. They aren’t going to negotiate with the devil nor will they just let us alone. The devil needs to be fought every day, all day until he is destroyed. That’s what we’re up against. We can’t forge that.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

They’re not Communists; they’re theocrats imposing the Cult or Equality on the country.

The obsession with equality IS the left. Communism is just one flavor of it.

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

Just because I call it the Cult of Equality doesn’t mean that I think its leaders believe in the equality.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

“The obsession with equality IS the left. Communism is just one flavor of it.”

In a nutshell, Moran.
The religion of Equality.
The odd thing is, it’s a White religion.

Member

One side says “life’s not fair” the other side says “we will make life fair.”

Compsci
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Compsci

Yep, we’ll make life “fair” by making it equally “unfair”—to the detriment of all.

Paintersforms
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Paintersforms

In other words one side is sane, the other insane 🙂

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Exactly. The madmen control the asylum and they have forced us outside the gates but eventually they’re going to burn it down. It’s inevitable

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Fighting straw men, or figments from the past, or un-possible futures. Things that don’t exist, things that aren’t real.

Sandmich
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Sandmich

I suppose this is the “normie left” issue; just as late 20th century conservatism is fading away in a tribal society, the normie left will as well as the racial paradoxes become more and more impossible to coordinate…hopefully.

Paintersforms
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Paintersforms

A lot of their solidarity came from the unions. The unions are toast, so I think it stands a good chance.

The Right Doctor
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The Right Doctor

I was one of those fortunate enough to meet up with some of the characters in our passing cavalcade: Dutch, Lineman, Mike_C, Range Front Fault, Exile, LineInTheSand, Penitent Man and Gauss. Thanks to the first two listed for making it happen. The day was unique in several ways. How often do you meet a bunch of people you feel like you already know? How often can you turn off the filter between the speech center and the vocal cords? How often is everyone at the table smart, well-read, polite, and dissident as all get-out? I’m kind of a loner, or… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

How did you get manage to meet up? It’d be great to get together with some of the people around here, but everyone is (correctly) worried that it’s some sort of FBI trap. I live the DC area so I’m sure that there are some others on this board in the area as well, but we’re literally in belly of the beast. I mean, a government guy doesn’t even have to travel to inflitrate our little get-together.

Dutch
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Dutch

Citizen, stand by. Our little get together worked out far above and beyond what I, for one, expected out of it. I am still processing all that I experienced and observed from the thing, and it has changed my outlook about how to go about some things. This bottom-up arrangement has huge merit, done right, and Lineman and I stumbled into some “done right” elements of it. It needs to be shared, and you NEED to do it, you have no idea of the variety of take-aways you will get, starting with what The Right Doctor outlined above. We’ll come… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

Great. I’ve been trying to figure out how to square that circle for awhile. I go back and forth between thinking I’m being paranoid to thinking I’m insane to even think about trying to link up with people around here, at least using this board as a means. Like I said, I live in the DC area. I’ve never had an FBI agent as a neighbor but you can bet some govt agent type lives within a couple of miles of me. Joining our little get-together would barely require him to change his commute. Times like this I wish I… Read more »

Carrie
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Citizen-
I too am in the DMV….

Met Z in person in the autumn.
A most pleasant experience.

Hoping Dutch can guide us, with regard to specifically the security measures / screening that was put in place beforehand and leading up to said meeting.

Exile
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Exile

Think of Robin Williams on less cocaine. Guys and Gal, I’m working on a tribute post for y’all, hopefully today – the MLK thing took up time and the day job is pressing. Short version: that’s the best group meet-up I’ve yet had with anyone, anywhere, anytime. Now that we’re past the preliminaries of first-time-meetup, the work we can do together can make a real difference in some lives around here and among others. Looking forward to working with all of you in the future. Next time someone comes around trolling about this place, think about this weekend and the… Read more »

Maus
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Maus

I wonder if others are tinged with the green of envy as I am at the gathering Doc describes: a IRL meet-up of some of my favorite commenters. To sit at the same table and converse with any three of these folks would seem like the Transfiguration must have felt. If this happens again, I would move mountains to be worthy of an invite.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Thanks, Doc, that was heartening and gratifying. Thanks everbody there who put in the time and gave it a shot.

The Right Doctor
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The Right Doctor

When I got home, my wife set me up in a discussion with our ultra-liberal friend, having told her that I went to a ‘convention’. What kind of convention she asked? I said there were only nine of us. What did you do? We walked around the museum and talked. What did you talk about? I said, “Socio-political stuff.” Now, she knows that I have described our politics as ‘opposite’. So she said, “Oh, a Trump support group?” I said, “Hardly!” and that stopped the conversational ball. And, for the record, I don’t recall the president coming up in any… Read more »

Gauss
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Gauss

It was a great community-building exercise that exceeded my expectations. It’s fair to say that no one wanted the day to end. I’m hopeful that we will grow the relationships that were formed on Saturday.

John Peters
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John Peters

Um….I think you are missing the point.

The “Left” wants sensible firearms restrictions because they want safe schools and public places.

It is simple: less access to guns=less chance a crazy person gets a gun=less chance of mass murder

It is quite telling that the majority of the marchers as well as the mass killers are overwhelmingly white

That tells you something right there.

Read the twitter feed of Professor Justin Moss to see how “progressive whites” think

https://twitter.com/justinmoss?lang=en

John Smith
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And as we’ve seen from every country that’s tried it, crime rates go up when the citizens can’t defend themselves. Without a means of self defence, The Law Of The Jungle asserts itself as it has in Baltimore, New Orleans, Detroit, etc.

Put your money where your mouth is and go live in a black ‘hood.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Smith, That’s why I say stop food drops, and drop pallets of guns instead. Let the self-selection begin!

#EscapeFromBaltimore

Wolf Barney
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Wolf Barney

Gun violence is mostly a black thing. The “left” doesn’t talk about that except in a way they can blame whites. They want to disarm white folks, especially those they despise in flyover country.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Wolf, that’s just it.

We keep getting blamed for what other people do.

The hatred of us is what comes first.

If the starting argument is, “I hate your guts, this is how I show gratitude”, well, now what? WTF do they want?

Carl B.
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Carl B.

John Peters you’re an idiot. A number of Bernie Sanders’ campaign staffers have said on tape they want to imprison, destroy, and otherwise “modify” Trump voters and “White Nationalists” through force-of-arms. Of course we know YOU won’t do it. Instead if given the opportunity you pencil-necked beta males will have government goons do your dirty work for you. Same as it ever was. Progressives don’t give a good god**** about human life. We know what you want. We know that you will do anything to accomplish it. You and your fellow fascists want to control people’s lives in every way… Read more »

Exile
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Exile

JP:

The racial percentages that support certain political positions in America is a very popular subject here. We Notice things like that all the time.

I agree with you that the racial makeup of any given political constituency is the most important and obvious thing to consider in judging how American politics work.

Let’s talk about who funds and manages the gun control lobby. Or mass media corporations like Twitter. Or our colleges.

There’s a lot to Notice if you have the time to share more with us.

Dutch
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Dutch

Good morning, Tiny.

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Yup. The big tell is, the Wee Waterfowl concludes as usual with assigned reading.

Dutch
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Dutch

And the obtuse anatomical references in the name, always.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

That twitter feed is a frickin’ goldmine

Compsci
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Compsci

JP. These equations/recommendations always fail to balance cost and benefit. There is absolutely no point in reviewing such. The arguments for more gun laws are always the same. Cost is always played down or downright ignored. Benefit always exaggerated. If you want to cite ref’s to Lefty faculty, then let me cite John Lot, “More Guns, Less Crime” which has yet to be adequately refuted.

Yves Vannes
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The moralizing that has come out of progressives has never won the majority of the white male vote.  Johnston vs Goldwater was probably the last time more than 50% of white males supported a candidate who rejected the more masculine position. The current milieu is the work of women, Jews, nu-Americans and a minority of white men. Normal male society is a mixture of alphas, potential alphas, betas and something else. The lead alpha gets to sit in the saddle until the rest of the group figures he’s screwed up enough that he needs to be replaced. At that point… Read more »

Exile
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Exile

YY, the dynamic of jockeying for social status (and how it’s replaced more manly competition) is another on my growing list of subjects to write about. Listening to LaFond on about 4 hours of recent pods really got me thinking more about the male role and how it’s been subverted and redirected. I’ve seen a lot of these guys in action in the sub-elite wanna-be fringe over the years and want to dig down further on what makes them tick. My hip-shot take is that a lot of this is down to wahmens (no revelation there, I know).

Stina
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Stina

I’m pretty certain we live in a matriarchy or at least did before the more recent iteration of leftist insanity. I think we’ve been in a matriarchy for a while, even if they haven’t been president or occupy the top slots of board rooms.

The investiture of culture and society has been focused on women for most (if not all) my life.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Agree, Stina.

Men no longer defend the palisades or borders, and misfit men no longer have a frontier to go to.

Women have stopped dying in childbirth, men have stopped culling their numbers in border wars or dying on the job.

Our signals of mate selection, personal triumph and tragedy honed over millions of years of dire necessity, are all screwed up.
We don’t know what to do with ourselves.

Abundance, for the first time, gave us the Nice White Lady vote. Our girls hoped to hold the camp together, but they’re brand-new at this game too.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Yves, a simpler proposition:
They’re University males.
They plan to stay within Uni environs.

A hothouse culture. Looks weird to outsiders.
Gov’t-Corporate is it’s outgrowth.

Exile
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Exile

Logic appeals to libertarian types (which includes a lot of us here), but there’s a reason why we never broke the 5% mark in elections. Less than 10% of the population is open to a logic-first approach to society. But Exile, you say that we only need 25% to tip the culture – aren’t those 10% a good start? No. They’re Patton’s Accordion. You can’t hunt when you’re dragging useless noisy baggage. Outgrowing this mindset is like learning a new language. Right now, my Judeo-Cromwellian vocabulary is barely better than my Bokmal or Russian. But I’ve learned most of the… Read more »

Paintersforms
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Paintersforms

Rhetoric first works. Rhetoric guided by logic. Not on the progs, but the 40-50% of normies. Progs knew this and used it to gain the upper hand.

Stina
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Stina

Yes. Logic is built on assumptions. You need those common premises built first before you can build logic castles.

Premises and assumptions are shaped through rhetoric. The left attacked the base assumptions and the only way back is to find ways to re-establish them.

One guy I used to argue with elsewhere was so far gone he couldn’t even establish a reason why he should care for his family. He was lost. You can’t argue for that on logic, it’s a core value.

Member

Lots of small hat types were very triggered at the sight of armed white people, I wonder why?

Paintersforms
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Paintersforms

Had a buddy who lectured me about offensive halloween costumes. Told him I didn’t think it was a moral crusade. He flipped out because that made me the bad guy. I pointed out he used to wear such a costume as our high school mascot and asked if that made him a bad person. He blew a gasket. I got fed up, told him I’d never done such a thing and wasn’t going to be lectured to by a hypocrite. We aren’t friends anymore.

Tucker
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Tucker

The American Progressive mindset shows the problem with community. If I can decide that the community is improved with zoning, then my neighbor can decide that the community is improved by banning guns. Libertarians solve the problem by granting that it’s okay to build the lead smelter next to the elementary school. Property rights, etc. Progressives solve the problem with 50+1 takes all. As Z says, the key to community is who you let in and who you keep out. The corollary is that you need a public policy framework that agrees on some limits. Just because you have a… Read more »

Exile
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Exile

We covered this in our meet-up to some extent. Gatekeeping is going to be a vital function and having circles of trust is one solution. Residency and/or membership in the high-trust core requires universal community approval, with those fences being lowered as you move physically and socially further from the core. It’s essentially apartheid or the dreaded Nuremberg laws informed by today’s lessons from genetics and social science. What worked pretty well for them can work even better for Us.

Tucker
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Tucker

How would your system work for something like Californians moving to Texas? Would you handle things by groups or by individuals?

I remember reading somewhere that the biggest problem with Apartheid was businessmen evading the system to get cheap labor.

Exile
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Exile

Tucker, it depends on the situation. First you control the numbers of new entrants and their rate of entry. If you’re a Texas apartheid group and you notice you’re getting too many California types, you shut the gate before they hit the 10% number that seems to be the tipping point to start social discord. That number largely scales up. I’d allow the community clan leaders to vote on new spouses, for instance. If one of their sons married a “wine niece,” he’d have to go live in our mixed fringe “suburbs” with her rather than letting her Yenta up… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

We’d go back to turf, with young men showing off for the girls, defending their patch of sidewalk.

Browns do. But we whites aren’t allowed to anymore, and all the laws seem against us.

dearieme
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dearieme

“society is judged by how it treats it weakest members.” I’m a dreadful old rightist but I do tend to judge a society by, amongst other criteria, how kind its members are to mental defectives and the insane, and to those in society who have to carry the burden of those poor souls.

And yet I think the American Left a malevolent crew of [dirty language].

Bruno the Arrogant
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Bruno the Arrogant

Somehow, I’m not seeing a society that caters most to those who contribute the least as a recipe for success.

Charity is fine, but I submit that the priority should be investing in those with the most potential, not the hopeless cases.

Stina
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Stina

Is there a scale within compassionate handling of the weak and helpless? Those include children, women, and the elderly – not just mentally slow. When I see “how we treat the weakest”, I’m not thinking dishing out gimmedats. I’m thinking are we beating them or being kind? I like the gleaning idea of caring for the widows and mentally slow – they must still work for their food, but the hardest work is done and we make room in how we structure society so that they can work for it even if we could do it ourselves and keep the… Read more »

Compsci
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Compsci

Stina—exactly. Folks must be permitted/required to show an effort in their livelihood. That is human dignity. To the effect we are destroying such possibilities, we need to rethink societal organization.

Plato said that “Justice” is that virtue which assigns every man his due. I suspect we could substitute “compassion” for justice in this definition. Of course, Plato did not tell us how to assign/discover every mans’ “due”. In there lies the rub.

Compsci
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Compsci

Dearieme. Without extensive qualification (some of which you state), that saying is just warmed over Marxist claptrap—“From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”. Our current altruistic nature has been the ruin of us at this point, and to what extent are we better off? Too many folk in the wagon, not enough pulling. It’s become a growth industry so to speak.

But I admit, I have no ready solutions.

c matt
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c matt

You can care for mental defectives and the insane, but you don’t put them in charge.

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The only thing holding the leftist coalition together is a visceral hatred of “privileged” whites. Which means that the progressive white is a self-loathing weirdo. How much longer before the internal contradictions cause this coalition to implode?

miforest
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miforest

yes , but that seems to be superglue.

Member

The firing squad may prove to be a superior lubricant.

John Smith
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Maybe. You are absolutely right about this nonsense being driven by white progs, with the bulk of those being mostly white shitlib women. But… I say the game has changed, big time. It used to be that Lefty could cheat with impunity. He’d hatch a scheme, catch some video, edit it and spin it – and voila! Resurrected Nazis! Bigotry! Hate crimes! Leftist fart catchers in the media would tie up loose ends, deny any inconvenient players a voice, and it was done like dinner. Orange Man Bad = Gun Owners Bad. Your narrative! Prepared While U Wait! But look… Read more »

Jack Dobson
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Jack Dobson

I’m more blackpilled than even most people here and agree fully with you positive assessment. Lefty is in full bore panic because his propaganda outlets no longer work their magic. It’s why Jews are unhinged: their value to shape opinion is on thin ice. The neo-Puritans soon will relegate the Tribe back to the edge of the floe because this magic fail is perceived as betrayal.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

That lightened my black-pill a shade or two actually. Seems to add up. Thanks.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Good, good stuff, Mistah Smith.

One of Many Georges
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One of Many Georges

The truth is that we need to start slapping moral labels on them, too, bad people and maybe even evil and such. It might just make a lot of them dig in, but we have to engage them at that level. It will also strengthen the resolve of our own guys.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

More seriously good stuff, Georges.

“we need to start slapping moral labels on them, too”

That simple!
It worked for them, why the heck not for us.
Make them explain themselves: “why are you doing this, tell me the truth this time!”

Direct engagement.
That’s a sign of confidence- and we are right, after all, they’re the wreckers.

Calsdad
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Calsdad

Re: “Appeals to their humanity, on the other hand, are infuriating, as it calls into the question the point of their existence. It is why they are most vulnerable to moral arguments. It cuts to their sense of identity.” I have to agree with that point. A number of times I’ve gotten into arguments with lefties – who blathered on with facts and statistics – and moral points – about the topic we were discussing (it usually revolved around firearms). I’ve found it very effective to just come out and say (after it was obviously they were trying to wrap… Read more »

Sleepy
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Sleepy

“The people pushing this stuff are white people. There are a few Jews and browns tossed in, but the main body of the Left is still white and formerly Protestant.” Hmmm…let’s us take a look at the Democratic leadership of the Virginia Assembly: President of the Senate: Justin Fairfax, black (from Washington, DC) President pro Tempore of the Senate: Louise Lucas, black (from Virginia) Majority Leader of the Virginia Senate: Dick Saslaw , Jew (from Maryland) Speaker of Virginia House of Delegates: Eileen Filler-Corn, Jew (from New York/New Jersey) Majority Leader of Virginia House of Delegates: Charniele Herring, black (from… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
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Citizen of a Silly Country

True, and I said basically the same thing elsewhere, but the bulk of Democrats are white. Z is right about that. Their leadership and financing on the other hand, well, the bulk of that definitely isn’t gentile. My suspicion is that Z is walking a fine line with JQ. If you focus too much on the role of Jews, you invite some serious weirdos into your world, which kills organizations. You also put off newbies who have had Holocaust guilt drilled into their heads from day one. Z is also all about positive identity as opposed to negative identity. Going… Read more »

Sleepy
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Sleepy

According to exit polls, in 2016 Clinton got under half, 47%, of her votes in VA from whites, . Trump got 87% of his votes from whites. Presumably roughly those same percentages maintain in other elections. So, while gentile whites make up “the bulk” of the Democratic vote in VA (i.e., the 35% of whites that are liberal/progressive), they do NOT make up a majority of it. While everyone reading here should know that it is donors, not the voters, who primarily set the political agenda in the US, no one should assume that this means that the interests of… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Excellent- a tightwalk indeed, between being able to repudiate the religion of Shoah and envision the future of White.

ReturnOfBestGuest
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ReturnOfBestGuest

I looked too (the party composition of the bicameral house.) It’s the same pattern you see everywhere. It’s like there’s something to the inheritance of traits. As some have said, the financing may prove otherwise.

Brahma
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Exactly! Jews, blacks, gays and crazy white women but the Jews call the shots and the blacks are the shock troops

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

The purpose of the anti-gun laws is to humiliate independent, ie somewhat masculine and non-progressive, whites. The ban on reselling registered firearms is further to collapse the price, for law-abiding citizens, of their weapons, b/c they now can’t sell them. It is not b/c they are ‘afraid’ of AR-15s or other long guns. It’s all just to castrate non-prog. whites, hence wicked to the bone.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

As Vizzini said, here’s to making secret societies great again.

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They wuz soiling Dr Kangz’s legacy.
AOC was bitching how all da white folkz can protest in the streets with guns without the cops shooting at them, while when blacks go out and smash stuff and light fires without guns, they get beat up and arrested.
You really have to ask “are these people serious?” Do they really think the gun protest was anything like the Freddie Gray riots? She specifically mentioned the Freddie Grey protests while drawing the comparison. They cannot really believe this crap, can they?

Exile
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Exile

Watch how AOC diverts Lefty energy from economics to Cult Marx stuff & Notice how she distances herself the da Squad on (((certain issues))).

She’s being groomed and I’ve loved trolling Lefties of late about how their hero is shilling for the richest of Fellow Whites.

Her own side is Noticing.

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ReturnOfBestGuest

She’s an interesting case, isn’t she? Supposedly a NSF finalist, who changed majors in Uni and ended up bar-tending. That’s unusual. And ran in a re-district where the PR majority were more inclined to vote for AOC than the Irish guy who had been there since forever.

Brahma
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She’s an idiot!

TomA
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TomA

Progressive motivation is not just about ideology or transformational change, but at it’s root is the primal imperative of survival. All forms of communalism (Progressivism, Socialistism, or Communism) are underpinned by the biological trait of parasitism. And the product of Progressivism is authoritarian government which ensures (via force if necessary) that the host remains compliant during feed cycles. Firearm ownership by the host conflicts with this survival mechanism.

Maus
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Maus

Maybe I am simply too black-pilled, but the underlying message I took from Zman today is that Reason is a false god for anyone who opposes Progressivism as Zman has defined it. Ever since first reading Aristotle, I have dedicated my life to seeking truth and subordinating my emotions to rationality. Apparently, I made a categorical error and should have cultivated my primal scream instead of my intellectual acumen. Would life have been better or more meaningful if I had been guided by the motto “Ever Thus to Tyrants” rather than “Truth”?

Exile
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Exile

I for one still value Aristotle. Ms. Rand wasn’t entirely wrong. The error lies in deifying reason, in trying to apply it outside its proper sphere.

Aristotle certainly appreciated the power of rhetoric and I doubt that he told Alexander to rely on reason against his political opponents.

A proper application of logic demonstrates that logic has limits. It logically recognizes its own boundaries.

Today’s fault lies in using the logic hammer to turn a moral-political screw because you threw away the moral-rhetorical wrench.

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Put another way, drawing upon another Grecian, we would do well to keep in mind the Chariot allegory.

Brahma
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“It logically recognises it’s own boundaries” very good!

sirlancelot
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sirlancelot

Twas a great morning . Watched the news, Richmond was a success !

On a local note 19 nurses from a local hospital all had beautiful white babies. Was successful with training at work and “after school activities”

Sun is shining, winter has finally arrived in the Northeast = life is pretty good.

The Second Amendment is there to fight tyranny. Very proud of my European Heritage but this is America.

When the time comes we will all have to harden our minds , bodies and hearts. It’s what we do best . White American men.

Lineman
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Lineman

Mr. Knight you have to also be banding together with other Knights so your King doesn’t get murdered, your Queen raped and sold into slavery, and your Kingdom overran with Orcs…

R Moffett
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R Moffett

When I got my CCW license last year, everyone I saw in my class and at the USDA office where I applied for my license was a Hispanic or non white person with the exception of one boomer getting his license . The constant call from the left to remove guns from owners is puzzling as they seem to think all gun owners are white red neck Republicans. I think the road to gun confiscation is longer than any of them realize. Also, if poor working people of different races and ethnicities can come together over gun laws there is… Read more »

Dutch
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Dutch

If you take gun ownership as an expression of personal freedom and agency over one’s own life and affairs, the argument brings in the women and POCs who can easily become allies, if this notion becomes clear to them. It is so fundamental as to negate any of the much more facile things that get thrown at them from their gender or racial peers. It is an angle and understanding that we can work in our favor.

Dutch
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Dutch

And to answer another question raised to myself, by myself, picking up big numbers of women and POC is not the goal or the point. It can be counterproductive in the long run, but some finite number of situational allies, among those who are demographically running us over, has to have some good for us in it.

Philboyd Studge
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Philboyd Studge

It’s important for everyone to recognize the importance of defending their families and tribe, not just whites. We need other tribes to respect our tribe, and understand (or at least accept) our own need to self segregate.

I think we all understand the Japanese views on this. We should also help others to understand our similar views.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

I’m going to anger a lot of ppl here, incl regular commentators I frankly like. Guns do not protect against tyranny. That’s the empirical fact. Because what tyranny is worse than having your society taken away from you and becoming a minority in your own country?? Outside Hutu vs Tutsi genocide, there isn’t a whole lot frankly. Guns have done NOTHING to guard against this. OR against the humiliation of white men, the ridiculing of marriage called gay marriage, the forcing of freaks and freak shows onto your kids, the brainwashing of your kids into hating their own heritage and… Read more »

John Smith
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Everything you say is perfectly true.

Guns are not THE issue, but they are but one of many. And, they are not important now… but if you dissidents are right about what’s in store for America and white men…and I think you are… we are all going to need guns. You will not be voting or talking your way out of what’s coming. Not only should you own guns, you need to start prepping like mad.

Yes, it is going to get that bad.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

I agree. I increasingly see guns as part of rational prepping and, a late-comer to prepping, I see it as about as ‘paranoid’ as an insurance policy, just of a different kind.

What frustrated me above is the feeling, and that is what it is, a feeling, that guns will keep us safe and as long as we have a full gun safe each, we ll be okay. If guns will eventually decide this, all the other elements of prepping will be necessary just to stay alive.

Compsci
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Compsci

Moran, absolutely correct. If you are male and growing titties and a pot belly, you won’t help the cause—unless of course, you plan on equipping your in-shape neighbors with such supplies as you’ve accrued. Why not do both?

Major Hoople
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Major Hoople

There’s a lot of people with nothing but guns and ammo who call themselves preppers. Frankly, in a shtf situation, there the ones you’d have to worry about…

Myself, aside from protection, my emphasis is on neighborhood relationships and larder, a la old Remus.

Lineman
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Lineman

You didn’t anger me Brother because you speak the truth…Guns are only a deterrent to tyranny when they are held by a large group of people who have a goal against tyranny and are working towards that goal together…Our focus like others here have mentioned should be the building of Coalitions/Communities not putting another gun in the safe…

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

Thanks man. I’m cranky and a little black-pilled thinking about what’s happening.

Carl B.
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Carl B.

Last night in Charlotte NC a pizza delivery driver was jumped by four black ferals one of whom was armed. The delivery driver drew his own weapon and shot three of the porch monkeys.

Anyone – repeat – anyone who doesn’t own and bear a firearm in current-day America(or anywhere else)is a god**** fool and deserves to have his freedom, if not his life, taken away from him. No excuses.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

Im not against guns. I’m against seeing them as an escape from what is killing us.

Carl B.
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Carl B.

Today a number of North Carolina counties have added their names to the growing list of 2A Sanctuary counties. This sends several messages:

1: Politicians will sit-up and take notice that the natives are restless.

2: Along with the government-condoned “migrant” Sanctuary City movement, the Media screaming about the “lawlessness” of the 2A Sanctuary movement, the Deep State Trump Coup figures getting off scot-free, and today’s Impeachment trial it is becoming readily apparent to any and all sentient Americans that the Rule of Law is rapidly collapsing all around them.

Interesting times lay ahead.

G Lordon Giddy
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G Lordon Giddy

Very good. We need the second amendment but the American nation is not going to survive even if we keep the 2nd Amendment, even expand it. A dying culture needs some resuscitation in ways outside of gun ownership. Stopping all immigration is a starting point. Reducing the influence of the left in media and education is the next step. Then and only then might we have a chance with civic nationalism, otherwise we are heading for a breakup or breakdown of some sort.

Carl B.
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Carl B.

We have a President who at least tried to stop illegal immigration. He is being impeached today. So what are you going to do going forward?

miforest
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miforest

He also want’s Legal imagination expanded to the max and has said so frequently . Hes is good only compared to the utterly reprehensable GOP establishment

Lee and Margie Livingston
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Nice point of view. Is the “gun thing” akin to “sportsball” ? Are there related strings attached? Where is the moral authority for doing right? Are we bled white of this authority.?

Compsci
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Compsci

Guns or lack thereof are not the cause of our current dilemma—all to true. They can’t protect against our societal decay, as most of such is self inflicted via lack of Fear of God, passing of immoral laws, failure to reproduce, hedonism, etc. However, guns can become the issue once we decide to veto such law/corruption with their use. That such a day may be past, or sometime in the future is arguable. However, it seems to me that one side of the gun-issue believe that such a day *will* be in the future and are doing their best to… Read more »

Tarl Cabot
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Tarl Cabot

I think this post is mostly right, at least for the masses of white progressives, but it under-emphasizes the sense of superiority they derive from their sense of righteousness. That’s what really gets the Puritians off: the certitude that they are better than everyone else. They are a tribe of petty schoolmarms, but educating the benighted is how they justify their own privilege to themselves.

Their leaders, of course, are sociopaths.

Dutch
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Dutch

Tarl nailed one, IMO. “…how they justify their own privilege to themselves”, yep.

Drake
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Drake

Looks to me like Virginia is run by people who would have been called Carpet Baggers in 1870. Most probably don’t have deep roots in the state. Northern Virginia is just an extension of the imperial capital at this point. They are elitist snobs and want to show it.
An easy way to show it and inflict pain on the hated natives – mess with gun ownership. They probably daydream about full confiscation as all leftists and totalitarians – but just inflicting the pain is reward enough for now.

UpYours
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UpYours

Which is why I am perfectly fine with suburban shitbags being replaced by H1B’s and also why Trump is just ignoring the H1B issue. Let these arrogant suburbanite yuppietards get a taste of open borders that they support. Maybe then they will realize that they are not “elite”. They are cubicle monkeys that can easily be replaced.

Brahma
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I agree, they didn’t give a toss when working-class people were replaced. I remember “those aren’t your jobs anymore” welcome to NWO

Member

Ugh. Zman talked about onramps in a recent post, but sometimes I just get absolutely depressed when I talk to normie conservatives. http://disq.us/p/26sz3wh They’ll talk themselves blue in the face and contradict their own words to convince themselves of civic nationalism”Maybe, just maybe mind, this sort of thing transcends skin color. Maybe it’s more about character and human nature.” And another poster saying on one hand, “They’re third-world hellholes, overrun by corruption, war, sexual predation of women and children, poverty and disease. What great things have come out of the African continent? And don’t bother saying Egypt, because their glory… Read more »

Dutch
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Dutch

A dose of meet-up will fortify you to continue engaging those who edge up to our side, and also arm you with tools to bring them over, at least the ones who have a light or fading case of the pozz. They need to know it is OK to shed the pozz, and we need to know it is OK to go after it with confidence and with righteousness in what we are doing. Meet-ups will help you there.

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ReturnOfBestGuest

They’ve been programmed since the day they were born. Think about it, Viz: the three networks controlled public opinion from long before you or I were born to long after. There was a scramble by the corporations to acquire media outlets in the 90s, whereupon their viewpoints were secure.

Lineman
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Lineman

Vizzini they are hypocrites of highest order because I guarantee all of them don’t live in majority black or brown neighborhoods…You can’t argue or reason with those people anymore than you can with the Commies…I’ve tried before and it’s like beating your head against a brick wall…Your head just hurts and the wall is still standing…

ExNativeSon
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ExNativeSon

Lineman—Agreed. The “brilliant” question I thought might get my liberal friends to think is to say “All I need to know about what you think about race is to ask you where do you live, where do you send your kids to K-12, and where do you vacation.”

“Surprisingly” for me none ever answered the question. What they did was to have a look of horror in their eyes as they slowly realized that they were face to face with a real-life resurrected Nazi or a long-time Russian intelligence plant!!

Dutch
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Dutch

Don’t ask them a “brilliant question” until you coax them to talk a bit about some things. Look for your entry there. It’s a form of ju-jitsu. Leading with a good question, without first examining their mental landscape (by letting them talk, and tell you what and how to argue), is not the way to go.

BadThinker
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BadThinker

I snuck in the ‘we can’t have universal healthcare and unlimited immigration at the same time’ one after doing lots of agreeing on how terrible the medical system is (she works in it). The poor woman looked like she had blue screened. “well… umm…” trying to think of the proper virtuous thing to say.

BadThinker
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BadThinker

I’m ready to give up on the Instapundit comments section. It’s a bunch of civnats reliving the dream of stomping Hitler over those evil nazi-sympathizer isolationists, and libertarians who are totally cool with Fred Thompson swindling their parents out of their house with a reverse mortgage because of the free market, and hey family doesn’t matter so long as I can have unlimited personal autonomy to do whatever i feel like doing…

Exile
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Exile

As an example of the moral ju-jitsu Z’s recommending in lieu of “rational arguments,” I suggest emphasizing the crime-protection element of gun ownership above the Bundy Ranch stuff. I’ve thumped my chest about the “real reason for the 2A” as much as anyone here, but from a practical standpoint, the more of us who have guns, the better, regardless of the motives or justifications. The argument for guns b/c crime is a bonus in that the more anti-gun Browns they import, and the less effective policing they permit vs. Browns, the more crime we get to justify continued gun ownership.… Read more »

G Lordon Giddy
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G Lordon Giddy

I have mixed feelings about the white conservatives rally around guns. On one hand it helps us by pointing out that the left wants this right taken away. And in some way an armed citizenry is dangerous to totalitarians. But many of the second amendment people depend on that right like a child with a teddy bear. Barricading yourself in your house fighting it out with your progressive white or 70% non white city or state government will do little to save you. The Puritan progs just keep boiling the frog. Massive Immigration, legal and illegal, legalize those already here… Read more »

JR Wirth
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JR Wirth

Vote with your pocketbook. If you have a Netflix subscription, you’re part of the problem. Sometimes you can’t get around a monopoly, but in general, you can make decisions like that. How many so called Christians went to see that latest Star Wars movie? They made a donation to one of the most evil companies (Disney) when they did that. They betrayed their values by not only giving their money to a terrible company, but infusing their psyche with the church of PC.

miforest
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miforest

the firearms in america are why we don’t have SA levels of crime . but you are correct abut the culture, jusl take a look at these two, in this review.
they are lost and nuetered. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZL-5G-g4dA

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Our demographics don’t look like SA. That’s why we don’t have SA levels of crime. Eventually we’ll look like Brazil, not SA. So we’ll have Brazilian levels of crime, which still ain’t no picnic.

miforest
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miforest

there certainly are areas of our country that have SA demographics,
the county I live in does. although the entire population here are armed , so nobody pushes anybody too far. only the zanies in th drug trade go after each other , and a few others who are victims of proximity to that.

Major Hoople
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Major Hoople

There’s more to what you say than people might think. Consider the farm attacks in SA….unarmed, even tho we might be the majority, there would be a lot more of that here. Knowing that there are a lot of well armed white people is what gives the vibrancy pause.

JR Wirth
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JR Wirth

The best moral argument against progressives is the simple question “Who the hell are you to tell me how to live?!” It means we have to abandon the abortion argument, because they’ll use that in retort. It does mean that you fight battles when they try to demonize an act. For instance, the act of vaping. They had to jump onto the anti-vaping bandwagon because they saw people indulging in sin (having a good time vaping.) They literally turned water vapor into a sin. So, instinctively, conservatives had to get into the weeds as to why water vapor is harmless,… Read more »

Lorenzo
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Lorenzo

“It means we have to abandon the abortion argument, because they’ll use that in retort.”

There goes the right again, letting the left set the rules of debate. Of course they’ll retort, but we no more have to abandon the abortion argument than the homicide argument.

JR Wirth
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JR Wirth

It works for everything but abortion, it doesn’t mean abortion isn’t awful, but let’s face it, the little trollops will have one anyway, and they were having them long before 1973. What you can still defend is not allowing taxpayer money being diverted to it.

miforest
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miforest

“This is why facts and reason have no effect on white Progressives” . as an old guy , this has been apparent for decades. this article nicely lays out the “god complex ” the leftists have . one of the best “charges” to lob into their port is the rotherham scandal , or the identical situations in Telford , manchester or any of a dozen English towns. because the victims are underage girls , it is kryptonite to their you go girl world. If you dogpile search Grooming , of asian there are convictions of monstrous proportions all over .… Read more »

Jack Dobson
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Jack Dobson

This is spot on. The moronic bellowings of a Hannity or Limbaugh is are attempts to reach people who operate solely on emotions. It’s worse than preaching to the choir because the sermon encourages more futile factual outreach from the listeners. The reason Trump infuriates Progressives so is that he realizes this and goes straight for raw emotion.

miforest
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miforest

thanks , jack.

Jack Dobson
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Jack Dobson

“The answer here lies in understanding how American Progressive’s view society and their role in it. Contrary to popular opinion, the people behind this stuff are not communist, motivated by Karl Marx. They are not controlled by hand-rubbing lizard people living in a secret volcano.” Maybe, but the utopianism and messianic zeal are distinctions without a difference. Progressivism, like communism, is a religion and use of the sword not only is permitted it is mandated. The end goal, as you wrote, is to feel better about one’s self but the means to that end vary little from communism to progressivism.… Read more »

chedolf
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chedolf

The people pushing this stuff are white people. There are a few Jews and browns tossed in, but the main body of the Left is still white and formerly Protestant.

The author of the assault weapons ban is Delegate Mark Levine. His Wikipedia bio says “Levine worked as a Nazi hunter [and] Jewish historian,” and “serve[d] three years as chief legislative counsel to [congressman] Barney Frank.”

AWFLs may comprise the main body of the Left, but the leadership is also top-heavy with another group.

YIH
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YIH

HT: Woodpile Report. What city is the worst for STD’s? https://www.the-sun.com/news/250900/std-map-us-cities/
Of course it is.

Juri
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Juri

I am reading this from former Soviet Union territory and honestly disagree with author. Your have blatant communism no different from Lenin one. The other thing, those protesters already capitulated to absolutely every issue, even recent “trannys”. Why they need weapons at all ? What is for them still worth fighting ? Those things with loud bang are not guns but psychological totems for auto suggestion. Many broken people have such items. We had one crazy guy who kept his dead wife in the fridge for years. This was not crime, just love. You know, when you keep your wife… Read more »

Member

Juri, we sure could use a man like Yemelyan Pugachev.

JR Wirth
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JR Wirth

All true. I know a Serbian in my neighborhood who says the same thing. This country sold out years ago without firing a single shot. The same so called men in that crowd have these wives in stone washed jeans and bobbed hair that control every aspect of their lives. This isn’t a place for real men and women, but emotionally stunted children stuffing their fat, diabetic faces at Cracker Barrel while discussing Medicare plans. If guns were banned most of these people would write a mean letter to their congressman and give them up. I’ll always have them, legal… Read more »

BadThinker
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BadThinker

Old boomer goes into a restaurant, orders the French Toast with Syrup. Says to the waitress, “hold the powdered sugar please, I’m a diabetic”.

Carl B.
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Carl B.

America ain’t the Soviet Union. Not yet anyway.

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
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Migrant convoys thing of the past.
Not just enforcement; no logistics.
No magical NGO manna from heaven.
Oh yes Trump can too govern.
A lot happened behind the scenes for the money to dry up.

https://apnews.com/4d685100193f6a2c521267fe614356df

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
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The center pole of Progressivism is POWER. Not morality. No appeal to morality will work either, nor to humanity.

Rwc1963
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Rwc1963

Excellent post. One quibble though, during the 80’s when white progs were pushing gun control real hard and making it a political issue It became clear in arguments with them that they just wanted law abiding whites to be disarmed. They did not care that the criminals would ignore their anti-gun laws. They just wanted the lower class whites to be reduced to defenseless tax serfs. Later when 3 Strikes was being pushed in CA, the white progressives went ape shit. They hated the fact that the law would not let liberal judges release violent felons back on the streets… Read more »

Dutch
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Dutch

Tarl’s “how they justify their own privilege to themselves”, as he aptly stated above.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Aha! That just solved it.
It also explains vxxc’s center pole of power, not morality.

They don’t want to give up their cake to a bunch of hillbillies. What would they get in return?

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

I think that amply demonstrates Zman’s point.

I seethe and grate when he mentions, “Magic Jew Theory gets old”, but he is right.
It gets old, it is boring, and zealotry like mine misses the larger picture: the Magic J’s have far, far too many allies willing to sign on.

Whether for the Third Temple, for Mandingo Fever, to End Intolerance! or to End Smoke!– man are people chomping at the bit to subjugate their own.

It’s like them furriners are mere scenery in a stage play. The only passion play that matters is our own people.

Obie
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What’s the bet another mass shooting occurs soon, one probably involving the killing of children, to offset the ghastly parade of gun lovers and their appalling weapons?

Mark Stoval
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Mark Stoval

It has been mentioned here that the “left” was not the whole problem. Or that the problem needs to be called something other than the “left”. Thomas Sowell called them the “anointed”. He wrote that there were two main “visions” and the vision of the “anointed” was that human nature could be improved until there was a heaven on earth. While we poor realists thought human nature was not going to change and humans did terrible things. In other words, the “anointed” really are practicing a cult religion where they seek to outdo God himself. (not saying the evil bastards… Read more »

Homer Hinkley
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See also Sowells’ book A Conflict of Visions, where he describes two visions of the world, which he calls the constrained vision and the unconstrained vision. The left has an unconstrained vision, essentially the vision of Rousseau, in which the fundamental problem is not men but institutions. The left believes that the institution shapes the man, and that with an infinite number of institutional manipulations they can create the society that inhabits the fictions of their mind.

Yaro
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Yaro

I think this is a breakthrough post. Neither reason nor logic has been effective in the past. Fight the enemy with their own weapons. Call them fascists, bigots, power-hungry manipulators, liars… the list is very long.

Yman
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Yman

“For white Progressive reformers, society is the flock and they are the shepherds.” that’s Bolshevik’s elitist oligarchy, some one mention that Modern left are Biological Leninist unlike late soviet, modern left recruit non-white to build up new commissar class anyway I absolutely agree on this issue most left-learning extremist are not Jew or black, it’s white women or men Jew don’t believe their own lie, but progressive white are do they have some immune system of ethnocentrism because they have community of their own unfortunately those progressive white are the one who educated holding resource poor white lived in squalor… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

I agree, strongly.

“new commissar class”
Feminists, for instance, are political officers.

“Jew don’t believe their own lie, but progressive white are do
they have some immune system of ethnocentrism because they have community of their own”

Their “facts” are only to back up their hearts, because they have a community of their own. For the lucky ones, the Coalition of the Fringes can pay very well indeed, while the scraps encourage the rest.

Christopher Chantrill
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Christopher Chantrill

As a profound sexist I see the white progressives as the Community of Women that define and enforce community values by naming, shaming and shunning.

Strictly speaking, it ought to be maddening to men, who believe in deciding things in a fair fight.

Brahma
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The Jews call the shots in the progressive movement

Jatt Arya
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Jatt Arya

Saxons are named after the Seax, a weapon.
So why should Weapons not be the central issue for Americans?

Felix can go back to this beloved Europe where ‘nations’ like Sweden have less people than New York.

Moran ya Simba
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Moran ya Simba

You certainly know the saying “Guns don’t kill, people kill.” While you re focusing on guns the left is importing hostile, incompatible people. Guns are useful and fun, demographics is survival or extinction.

If you think this is about pro- or anti-gun, you just missed the forest for the trees.

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Two things: Endless discussion but the gist is people don’t want their guns taken away or legislated down to a minimum. That is all. Next you will be ‘discussing’ the issues of pedophilia and bestiality instead of just saying NO. This is how we get this stuff. Zman and the associated movement concentrate on the IQs and evolution of different tribes and how they are antithetical to white culture. (Yawn) This is the first I’ve seen about the the second real problem (huge immigration being the other). that of your leftist, idiot white neighbor with a decent IQ and education.… Read more »