¡ Viva México!

In the years just after colonialism ended, Europeans who worked in Africa would say, “Africa Wins Again” whenever some project went sideways. The point was that no matter how well-intended or well designed, the best ideas of westerners trying to help Africa would fail. The implied reason was that Africa was the way it was, because it was full of Africans. This expression may have been common during colonialism, but it turns up all over in accounts of the post-colonial years. There was simply no way to beat nature.

That’s what comes to mind whenever a Latin American country makes the news for some reason. A decade ago, libertarian economists like Tyler Cowen were sure that Argentina and Brazil were on their way to first world status. Sensible people knew that the Latin Way would eventually bring these counties back to their natural state. Argentina is back to begging the West for bailouts and Brazil is teetering on social and political collapse. It turns out that the Latin Way always wins too. There’s no beating nature.

Mexico just had an election and the winner is promising to prove every cold-hearted Anglo north of the border right about the nature of Mexico.

Veteran Leftist Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador has been elected president of Mexico, winning the largest landslide in his country’s recent history in a remarkable routing of what he terms “the mafia of power”.

Promising to combat corruption and drive down record crime rates, Mr Lopez Obrador captured 53 per cent of the vote, according to preliminary results – a historic victory for the party he created.

Voters decided in their millions to turn their backs on the two parties which have ruled Mexico for almost 100 years, and finally give him a chance – sending his supporters into a frenzy.

The American media will never honestly report about anything, so we can expect them to celebrate this guy as the antidote to their great nemesis, Donald Trump. You just know they will find some way to link his rise to the election of the Puerto Rico bimbo in Brookly, who beat the old white guy. Alternatively, they will swear Trump caused it. It depends upon how things unfold. If chaos ensues, then you can be sure it will be blamed in Trump’s rhetoric. In reality, this is just Mexico being Mexico. Here’s a summary of AmLo’s platform:

  • Amnesty to all drug cartels.
  • No longer will work with U.S. immigration enforcement.
  • Nationalize oil industry.
  • Farm subsidies.
  • Elimination of multinational corporate influence on farming.
  • Support and assistance for economic growth plan:
    • using •mass migration of Mexican nationals into Southern U.S.,
    • create AmeriMex border region, and
    • remittance of earnings back to Mexico as initiative for rapid domestic economic growth.

Now, in fairness to Mexicans, the two main parties have become so corrupt that voting for either is just a vote for the status quo. That means a country largely controlled by two murderous drug cartels and a political elite willing to protect them. Just how much money the Mexican ruling elite makes from the drug business is hard to know, but they have grown very rich off the free trade scams operating at the border. They have also helped facilitate the waves of migrants entering the United States every year.

Obrador is probably a good result for Americans. He will no doubt make an excellent bad guy in the coming war with Mexico. That’s where things are headed, whether anyone realizes it. The Mexican government is incapable of ending the flow of drugs into the US and they have no choice but to facilitate the flow of migrants.That means the border will have to be closed and most likely guarded by the US military. That’s an option the public will support, if Mexico is led by a nutty Marxist who hates America.

Putting that aside, it is another reminder that Mexico is a failed state. The central government retains control of Mexico City and the immediate area surrounding it, but the rest of the country is controlled by drug cartels. One reason the political elite facilitates migration is they skim from the remittances back to Mexico, from their people living in America. Carlos Slim, the owner of the New York Times, owns the Mexican phone company, which means he gets a taste, every time Pablo calls home from America.

Those old enough to remember, will note that NAFA was supposed to prevent this from happening. Instead, it has been a disaster for Mexico, making the people poorer, while their elites grew rich. Mexico was never going to withstand unfettered contact with the first world, for the simple reason it was never a modern country and is never going to be a modern country. The human capital of Mexico cannot sustain it. This is a reality of the human condition that people used to know, until there was money in pretending otherwise.

Now, America has a failed narco-state on its southern border, thanks to the greed heads we politely call globalists. You’ll note that everything these pirates of the new economy touch eventually falls to pieces. That’s because this form of economic activity can only thrive in chaos, so it works to create it. A disordered world, where sovereign people no longer have control of their borders, lurches inexorably toward chaos. Instead of Vikings raiding the West, the last 30 years has been men in suits raiding the West.

Chaos always results in a reaction and that reaction is usually authoritarian. That’s what is happening in Mexico and will happen in Brazil and Argentina. If those countries are lucky, the authoritarians will be like Pinochet and the result will be a pruning of the political elite and the imposition of order. It’s always a coin flip with strongmen. For every Peisistratus, who restores order and economic balance, you get a Nero. The track record of Latin America suggests the latter is the way to bet, but maybe this time will be different.

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David Wright
Member
2 years ago

I have been scouring news sources and can’t find out anything on Obrado’s tax plan. The first step is tax cuts to stimulate the economy as we all know.

Secondly, where is my MMGA hat? Any sources?

DeBeers Diamonds
DeBeers Diamonds
Reply to  David Wright
2 years ago

Hacer Mexico a Espana Ahora

Max
Member
2 years ago

Another way this Mexico election helps: Now we have another argument for fence-sitters on the immigration debate — “Why do we want to import socialist voters? Don’t we have enough of them already?”

Another random musing: Argentina underachieves. They should be better governed than they are. At one time they were a wealthy country.

BestGuest
BestGuest
Reply to  Max
2 years ago

https://www.amren.com/features/2017/04/argentina-a-mirror-of-your-future-buenos-aires-latin-america/
(I have never visited Argentina, and have no way of assessing the validity of the Argentine author’s take.)

Max
Member
Reply to  BestGuest
2 years ago

Thanks. That was a good read. Argentina apparently was even more impressive than I realized.

Ursula
Ursula
Reply to  Max
2 years ago

Thanks to the Europeans who brought their civilized ways.

anonymous
anonymous
Reply to  Max
2 years ago

I’ve never been to Argentina, though have thought about it often as a place to start again. It seems to have so much … yet does so little with it. Why? Argentinians are mostly genetically European – Southern European with a large admixture of Italians. I suppose, as a country, it’s doing no better or worse than Italy. Reversion to the mean, and all that … But it also has a good number of Germans. The old “magic dirt” thesis, turned inside-out, may be in play here: you can bring good genes, but if the dirt is bad, nothing grows.… Read more »

BestGuest
BestGuest
Reply to  anonymous
2 years ago

Who knows? Every source has different statistics.
http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/argentina-population/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Argentina
Chile or Uruguay might be a better choice.

james wilson
james wilson
Reply to  BestGuest
2 years ago

The Argentine population is almost completely European, so it’s perennial weakness can be separated from low IQ, leaving only it’s Spanish inheritances of culture through language and religion to blame. So far as I know. Add low IQ to that inheritance and we explain most of Latin America.

BestGuest
BestGuest
Reply to  james wilson
2 years ago

You are most likely correct, but it does seem difficult to nail down statistical accuracy in “certain places.”

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  james wilson
2 years ago

Many Argentines are mestizos, so the average IQ of 93 is on a par with southern Italy, which is also a mess. So it’s not culture, most of the world has that clan oriented culture.

Eddie
Eddie
Reply to  BestGuest
2 years ago

Chile is definitely better. Immigration there was primarily German.

Max
Member
Reply to  Eddie
2 years ago

Free helicopter rides for leftists works wonders.

el_baboso
Member
Reply to  anonymous
2 years ago

If you only tour downtown Buenos Aires, you will come away with the impression that it is mostly a Spanish/Italian country. In the BA suburbs and beyond, La Argentina is mestizo and indio. The statistics may merely reflect that the criollos in BA care not a whit about the rest of the population.

MtnExile
MtnExile
2 years ago

This time won’t be different. Here’s the tell: “Nationalize oil industry.” Venezuela is not exactly next-door, but it’s pretty close geographically, and a lot closer culturally and politically. Mexicans have no excuse for not observing and understanding, except one: they’re not capable of it. They’re like the teenagers who hear screams in the old haunted house and decide to go inside and take a look. Everyone knows what happens next, but they’re going to do it anyway. And you’re right about war, though you’re the first person I’ve read who actually says it. Obrador has out-and-out declared that the U.S.… Read more »

DeBeers Diamonds
DeBeers Diamonds
Reply to  MtnExile
2 years ago

The oil industry in Mexico has been nationalized since the 30s. What the previous president did was to admit that there was no expertise to increase production unless foreign investment was allowed. Mexicans took this as an affront to their sovereignty, which is something that the gringo is not allowed to have. Foreign investors also didn’t take kindly to using it as a slush fund.

MtnExile
MtnExile
Reply to  DeBeers Diamonds
2 years ago

It’s that reform that Obrador wants to do away with. But not only that, he wants to spend billions of dollars building new refineries — without foreign investment — when the refineries Mexico already has are notoriously inefficient and poorly-run. In essence, he’s doubling down on what had already proven to be a losing hand. Without foreign investment, Mexico will have to eat the entire cost of trying to reform an energy sector that is corrupt and incompetent. They’ve already proven they’re not capable of running their oil industry, and the fact that voters take offense at reality isn’t going… Read more »

calsdad
calsdad
Reply to  MtnExile
2 years ago

Not for nothing – but we’ve got an awful lot of white faces running around in THIS country waving flags with hammer and sickles on them and voting for Bernie while yelling about “Democratic socialism!!!”

Seems we have quite a bit of the same thing going on right here.

DeBeers Diamonds
DeBeers Diamonds
Reply to  calsdad
2 years ago

The overeducated/indebted urbanite is never going to have the same perspective as the rural property owner that our system is based on. It is entirely reasonable to allow the major metro areas to become either their own states or federal districts like DC but with only 1 senator. Possibly they could even become independent countries like Singapore.

Burner Prime
Burner Prime
Reply to  MtnExile
2 years ago

Venezuela is the obvious path Mexico is taking, though her low IQ population is too short-sighted and greedy for gibs to realize it. I don’t see how open war with the US is in the cards by any measure; their military is useless, they don’t go to war with anyone, including their drug cartels. Their military and police institutions are corrupt to the core, preventing organized tactical and strategic victories. What is likely is the Ameri-Mex slow, steady annexing of border regions as Amlo declared openly. That is already happening. Their long game is to populate the southern region with… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Burner Prime
2 years ago

Eating zoo animals in 3…2…1…

Daniel K Day
Daniel K Day
Reply to  MtnExile
2 years ago

Here is another blogger who discussed it yesterday, FWIW.
http://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/2018/07/chavismo-on-your-doorstep.html

Epaminondas
Member
2 years ago

The wife and I decided to stop going to Mexico. It was getting more surly, snarly, and just plain dangerous. Whatever path they’re on, I don’t want to be on it.

Guest
Guest
Reply to  Epaminondas
2 years ago
MikeW
MikeW
Reply to  Epaminondas
2 years ago

Why go to Mexico when there’s so much of it right here?

Andy Texan
Reply to  MikeW
2 years ago

I live in the energy capital of Texas and we have so many little Mexico’s, Salvador’s, Guatemala’s, Honduras’, I quit counting. 25 years ago no Mexican radio or tv. Today so many stations you can’t keep up

RafterRat
RafterRat
Reply to  Epaminondas
2 years ago

The wife and I took our last trip to Mexico in December. It was my third trip there, and her first. When we got home, she said the same thing I always hear from first time visitors………. “How can a country with so many resources be so F’d up and so poor?” Stay on the resorts, take a bus tour somewhere…….like Tulum maybe……and have a good look out the bus windows on the way. Then come back home and cross Mexico off the list. If you need a refresher course, visit California.

Rev.Hoagie
Rev.Hoagie
2 years ago

This ” Veteran Leftist Andres Manuel Lopez Obrador ” is no such thing. He’s a veteran communist when some of his first “thoughts” are nationalizing oil. This guy has declared war on the US and I think it behooves us to take him at his word. Build The Wall now! Remove all illegal aliens now! WE do not need to reform immigration. We need to eliminate it and replace it with “Invitation”. Nobody has the right to immigrate but we do have the right to invite people.

calsdad
calsdad
Reply to  Rev.Hoagie
2 years ago

I’ve thought for quite a while that the “system” we have in the United States is completely screwed up. We allow millions of illegal immigrants into the US to “do the work Americans don’t want to do” (according to the immigration defenders). Why don’t they want to do the work? Maybe it’s because we pay them to not want to do the work? How many illegal immigrants would be fighting for a job – if ALL forms of welfare were eliminated and people were confronted with a ” work or don’t eat” choice? I’m guessing that millions of illegals would… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  calsdad
2 years ago

Part of their “doing the jobs Americans won’t do” is because the illegals will do the jobs for cash, no questions asked, at rates far below minimum wage and without all the withholdings and Social Security and so on.

I dream of the day when the California elites are required to pay a “living wage” for the servants and gardeners they need, to go on living as they do. And also carry the responsibility of insuring the health of their employees, instead of threatening to “send them back” if they get a boo-boo.

calsdad
calsdad
Reply to  Dutch
2 years ago

That’s also a big part of the problem. Being a “citizen” has basically become a screw job.

I’ve seen people make the comment ” what do I have to do to give up my citizenship and become an illegal alien?” quite a bit over the last ten years or so.

Ivan
Ivan
Reply to  calsdad
2 years ago

It’s basically illegal in the United States to pay anyone under 14 years of age to do work, and yet few people seem to know this explicitly. Of those who do, most celebrate it as protecting the rights of children. Odd isn’t it?

RafterRat
RafterRat
Reply to  calsdad
2 years ago

Damn, you are preaching to the choir. This weekend I dropped off a spare car seat to a friend of the family. Her “boyfriend” was in the yard mowing the grass with a pushmower; it was over 90 degrees out. He’s 70, and still works 40+ hours a week loading trucks. Her kid is 21, lives in mommy’s basement and was naturally still fast asleep at 10 AM. He delivers pizza a couple of days a week, pays no rent, and does nothing to help out. We don’t need more illegals, we need more fathers with balls.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Rev.Hoagie
2 years ago

Maybe he can nationalize the drug cartels.

Andy Texan
Reply to  Drake
2 years ago

They already are nationalized. Being President of Mexico is to be head honcho of the ‘business’ community.

Rod1963
Rod1963
Reply to  Rev.Hoagie
2 years ago

Here’s what I see happening, AMLO will order a invasion of the U.S. and Trump will do nothing. but tweet He has no stomach for a fight,

At best I see Trump offering to support mass amnesty to in response to AMLO. Yes, amnesty.

Remember Trump was the one who wanted amnesty for DACA illegals.

He’s a fake on immigration.

He could stop remittances to Mexico in a heartbeat, which would hammer illegals and AMLO. He won’t.

Karl Hungus
Karl Hungus
Reply to  Rod1963
2 years ago

You are so full of shit it is leaking out your ears.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Rod1963
2 years ago

Even if Trump is simply a political opportunist with no fixed policy compass, he would be a fool to ignore the political winds on immigration, which are blowing strongly in favor of restriction and elimination.

Tully
Tully
Reply to  Rod1963
2 years ago

You’re an idiot.

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Rev.Hoagie
2 years ago

Remove aliens period now, many legal immigrants need to go back as well.

No one is supposed to say this but an America that is less than 80% White is toast and will never function. Your option s are repatriation with reparation, collapse either into many states or into Novo Brasil y Mexico or genocidal slaughter.

Choose wisely

fodderwing
fodderwing
Reply to  Rev.Hoagie
2 years ago

When Mexican oil is nationalized it will be the perfect time to flood the market with the U.S. oil reserves. Hear Mexico howl.

Harmonium
Harmonium
2 years ago

Curious analogy, Vikings vs men in suits. They were “corporate raiders” for a reason! If you have ever heard Immigrant Song off Zeppelin 3, that is the subtext of that song: a conquering tribe of the east is equated with Vikings. Did anyone else realize this?

Harmonium
Harmonium
Reply to  Harmonium
2 years ago

Why “immigrant,” to point? Does that term precisely apply to Viking raiders, or to something else?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Harmonium
2 years ago

Ghengis?

Harmonium
Harmonium
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Uh No, contemporary and controlling the music industry

BestGuest
BestGuest
2 years ago

In the AmRen podcast “A Mexican Reflects on Mexico” Jared Taylor’s guest asserts that the politicians and police in Mexico serve at the pleasure of the cartels, which suggests that there is no peaceful solution to Mexico’s (and our) problem.

calsdad
calsdad
Reply to  BestGuest
2 years ago

How many white people take drugs? If the Devil can entice people into evil deeds – then the Devil wins. Even God can’t seem to get rid of the Devil – so the common refrain out of Christianity it seems has been to try to teach people why they shouldn’t fall victim to the devil’s charms. If all the white people in the US stopped using drugs – how big would the cartels be? How much power would they have? We’ve been going back and forth on this drug shit for as long as I can remember – long than… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  calsdad
2 years ago

The drugs were legal for nearly 400 years per the DEA study (a book) done for Nixon. (Actually, for all of history. The Chinese went after the flood of untaxed opium from the Raj’s Pakistan, opium was legal until Mao seized control of it to create the original Golden Triangle in Vietnam. Taft, Governor of the Phillipines and later President, had shown the effectiveness of making it illegal in poor Philipines and used the profits to buy up hundreds of Asian businesses, rail lines, shippers warehouses, and land. HSBC, like it’s imitator BCCI, was created to handle the money flows.… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Even if they would find something else, we need to disrupt things and force them to search for the next thing, if illegal gravy trains are going to remain their lifelines.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Dutch
2 years ago

Just so. This is a cat that will be impossible to walk back- just like immigration.

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

All true though back when drugs were legal, most people were farmers and society was massively less complex . No on in an SUV was going to drive over my passenger car or into my house at 80 Complexity is killing us anyway and we won’t survive it since it appears technological society creates an atomized population and such a population won’t reproduce Though counter intuitive antibiotics are far more of a public health threat than legal drugs are anyway and we aren’t going to regulate them. The ugly truth is US society is imploding , its like the USSR… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  A.B. Prosper
2 years ago

Yikes, that is a scary truth about antibiotics. You’re the first to say it.

I almost said something about the impact of technologies such as long-chain molecular chemistry and synthetic drugs, but then I remembered what a Vietnam vet told me.

He said oh yeah, they use organics to keep Grandpa mollified- sh*t so heavy they have to roll him over to keep maggots from festering.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  calsdad
2 years ago

Taking blame for things that are your fault appears to be a distinctly male thing, IYKWIM.

Rod1963
Rod1963
Reply to  calsdad
2 years ago

And you don’t think Blacks and Mexicans aren’t massive consumers of illegal drugs? Well they are.

It’s just easier for you to bang on whites because it’s PC to do so.

And lets not mention that the Chinese government is behind the massive amounts of Fentanyl being dumped into the U.S.

They are doing this because they no damn well, if you want to cripple a people, turn them into druggies.

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Rod1963
2 years ago

Using drugs is in nearly all cases a choice . In any case common sense says when a rival or enemy is weak, profit off them. Its how people work. The US is weak, no one is in charge and its logical and rational to do so, The US has no friends, its an empire after all and so everyone wants a bit of our liver, What we need is a Caesar with full control of the military and militia and a willingness to to expel people and kill till order is maintained . I don’t see us getting one… Read more »

Rod1963
Rod1963
Reply to  A.B. Prosper
2 years ago

Ayn Rand is that you? The opioid and suicide epidemic of whites coincides with NAFTA and globalization. Which has destroyed white communities and families across the country. Our business community did it, they are also the ones who imported all those illegals. You want to make a man feel useless, take away his hope for ever climbing up the ladder. Make him a loser in the eyes of his family that he can’t provide for anymore or maybe the best gig he can get is a shit job at a big box store with no bennies. Give all the good… Read more »

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Rod1963
2 years ago

I’m an economic nationalist , not a Randian

Government love drugs, the more use the better. It creates more criminals, justifies a police state and for those not lawbreaking tales away the incentive to fix the thing

The problem with drugs is while they numb the pain they also break the will. People getting high are too busy doing that to punish the people who sold them down the river.

Hell they rarely bother to vote and while voting is often, not always (c.f President Trump) a scam, its a necessary prelude before you can declare exterminatus

calsdad
calsdad
Reply to  A.B. Prosper
2 years ago

All I see in pretty much every single response on this page is a persistent denial of PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. NAFTA did it. The government did it. The business people did it. The drug cartels did it. My daddy was mean to me. You see this is how I know I’m dealing with a bunch of not-so fallen away leftists. Everything is always somebody else’s fault. You said rule or be ruled – that is the iron law. You are correct. You either rule OVER YOURSELF – or you will be ruled over by somebody else. When you can’t stop your… Read more »

Karl Hungus
Karl Hungus
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

If you take Rand seriously, past the age of 17, you have a stunted intellect. She writes decent rape scenes, and soft core romance, but politically she is hackneyed in the extreme.

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

I read European Commies from time to time and one of the wiser ones whose name I cannot remember alas noted that Americans are aggressively defensive, hyper individualistic and have no class consciousness

Well maybe Middle America doesn’t believe in it but our “betters” sure do and it would behoove all of us Dirt People to get the memo.

Its us vs them.

Tully
Tully
Reply to  Rod1963
2 years ago

Really? “No damn well”? Come on.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Rod1963
2 years ago

The beaners know how to handle addicts too. If an addict proves troublesome, he gets thrown in the can for 90 days. No safe injections, no programs, no intervention. If he survives the involuntary detox, he leaves prison clean. If he dies – meh. Who cares if an idiot insists on killing himself with drugs? Duterte in the Philippines is doing great with his war on drugs. You deal that crap, you get killed. You insist on being a troublesome addict? The cops beat you half to death on your first offence with the promise of finishing the job on… Read more »

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Glenfilthie
2 years ago

The US in not the Philippines and a huge chunk of our White drug problem is legal drugs. That said, unless we close the borders and regulate the hell out of the economy and divorce, we won’t be able to get a handle on dope. Rod1963 is correct in that the unstable conditions are a huge cause of the drug use. Its the same reason drugs were everywhere in the late 19th and very early 20th. Conditions were shit. My feeling here is if we have a near dictator like Duerte we’d be better off using those powers to bring… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  A.B. Prosper
2 years ago

Like the Iraqi said, “They’re shooting the street fighters. They should shoot the paymasters first.”

calsdad
calsdad
Reply to  Rod1963
2 years ago

Where did I say I didn’t think blacks and mexicans aren’t massive users of illegal drugs? Some of you guys seem to have severe reading comprehension issues – as soon as somebody starts infringing on the blame the darkies and blame the burrito eaters blame train – you lose your shit. The point here is that the white man didn’t conquer the world and get Western civilization to where it is (was?) – by lying around in a drug induced coma. As I’ve seen people point out a number of times (including here I think) – the great cathedrals didn’t… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  calsdad
2 years ago

Before drug testing- an insurance scam started by that high-function, addictive psychotic Bill Bennett- people with bad habits did the work, and built those fricking factories. Work was what cured or tempered those bad habits, just as weed used to be a common remedy for alcoholism. We’ve “managed risk” to the point of replacing the Dirts- which has now become the plan by sanctimonious hypocrites. As if the Bennetts and Weinsteins are without fault. Drug testing will end illegal drugs! It will make society better, shiny, new, free of sin! They’ve elected a new people. The low dregs who built… Read more »

BestGuest
BestGuest
Reply to  calsdad
2 years ago

A great many, if the obituaries in my local paper are any indication. Yet I also see “off the books” hiring by employers that used to employ recent HS grads and teenagers. I also see scholarships handed out to anyone other than “whitey” by local colleges filling “diversity quotas. The truth is that one can live in the land made prosperous by our ancestors and be discriminated against in favor of the recently arrived. And if you advocate for them–for your own progeny–you’re labelled a “white supremacist.”

Drake
Drake
2 years ago

The original ‘Let Africa Sink” essay by Kim Du Toit.

http://www.kimdutoit.com/2017/05/05/let-africa-sink/#more-1592

It’s how I’ve come to view the entire Third World. They could prosper – Argentina and Venezuela were once relatively rich countries. But they decline every chance they are given. They always chose socialism and corruption. Wall it off, return to pre-1965 immigration policies, and let Mexico, Africa, Central America, and the rest figure it out themselves.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Drake
2 years ago

Socialism and Big Men seem natural to them- isn’t there a way to harness or instututionalize this without the turmoil?

For cripes sakes, Western kings were the guys who could bring the country’s worst killers to their banner. We civilized, why can’t the rest?

Teapartydoc
Member
2 years ago

At one of the dissident right meet ups in the past couple of hears there was a Mexican Nationalist who said that NAFTA had really hurt farming in Mexico, because they had to compete with subsidized agricultural goods from the US in their own markets. Interesting that instead of getting rid of NAFTA, the response of the new president of Mexico is to subsidize farming. I’d like to say a few things about the post yesterday since I was so late to the party that they wouldn’t get read. In the argument of city vs rural, the one thing that… Read more »

Harmonium
Harmonium
Reply to  Teapartydoc
2 years ago

By radicals, do you mean SJWs? They are just the contemporary iteration of religious zealots. They have no coherent worldly aspirations. In the modern schemum, race and gender bull corn have been equated goodness or holiness. These are your crusaders of yesteryear. Otherwise great post!

Teapartydoc
Member
Reply to  Harmonium
2 years ago

Many SJWs are just following the rules as they are now. When circumstances change in a big way, the rules will change with them, and many of those people will change with the tide.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Teapartydoc
2 years ago

Spent the weekend in Hemet, CA, a middle class/lower middle class suburb of L.A. with lots of various vibrancies. If the SHTF, there will be no pacification. The police there are hardly holding a lid on things as it is, speaking with them and some community members at the local emergency room. The frequent Saturday night gunshots we heard are called the “Saturday night fireworks” by the locals. If things get rough, you need to be as far away from these places as possible, with a place to go to. This place is going to be Hell if things go… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Dutch
2 years ago

I remember the exhausted, dirty refugees jamming the Grapevine during the Rodney King riots. And those ‘riots’ were just a multicultural shopping spree. A Black Friday of sorts.

Chris_Lutz
Member
Reply to  Teapartydoc
2 years ago

That was my understanding with farming in Mexico. NAFTA killed agriculture which caused a wave of rural peasants to the north looking for work. I wonder how much of that also provided a nice pool of cannon fodder for the cartels?

BTW, I always like the argument of how good of workers they are and yet they somehow can’t create decent countries of their own.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Chris_Lutz
2 years ago

Cartel fired the peasants and hired military professionals. The abandoned los manyas turned to waves of kidnapping and robbery. Their heads wouldn’t end up in an ice chest so long as they stayed away from Cartel business, drugs.

But who says Aztecs don’t have a sense of humor? One guy, they parked his truck at the front door where his wife and kids would come out in the morning.
His head was the truck’s new hood ornament!

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Teapartydoc
2 years ago

Ferfal, an Argentine survivalist who writes about their currency collapse in 2001, says it’s safer to stay in the city. Everyone thinks to head for the hills, where they are easy targets for roving banditos.

Nonetheless, I do have 10 acres of mountain forest land, lightly populated by kinfolk, in a resolutely diversity-free area. I thought that being surrounded by hellraiser redneck hillbillies with guns might someday be a good idear.

Teapartydoc
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Most people who head for the hills don’t have any idea where they are going or what they will do when they get there. Being successful takes planning and cooperation. Just like in anything else.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Teapartydoc
2 years ago

A late thanks, Doc, as it was a bloody pain in the ass to pay for, cheap as it was.

The hillbillies are quite kind, not mean shits who relish cruelty, like the mid-south- but they Never. Shut. Up. It’s fun, trashy, and exhausting all at once.

Guest
Guest
2 years ago

On the upside, this event is probably the single best thing that could have happened for Trump’s reelection. The 2020 election will be a single-issue election and immigration will be all that matters. The President of Mexico is openly advocating for an open border with the US, and the Democratic Party will hold exactly the same position. #winning If Trump manages to serve an 8 year term he could easily appoint 5 or 6 Justices on the Supreme Court. Ginsberg is 85 and riddled with cancer. She might make it through the next two years, but not another six. Breyer… Read more »

Teapartydoc
Member
Reply to  Guest
2 years ago

Ginsberg isn’t riddled with cancer. Her tumor was tiny and picked up on a scan that was done for other purposes. She’s one of those rare cures of pancreatic cancer.

That said, I’ve seen others that were apparent cures get recurrences before, but she is being followed very carefully with the best scanners on the planet.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Teapartydoc
2 years ago

Am I wrong to think that if she was on the other side of the political fence, the scanners might not be quite so state of the art or so rigorously monitored?

Arch Stanton
Arch Stanton
Reply to  Guest
2 years ago

Rumors of Thomas wanting to retire keep cropping up in the press, but why would Alito retire? He’s like 67, isn’t he?

Ursula
Ursula
Reply to  Arch Stanton
2 years ago

Just as long as Alito does not go on any overnight hunting trips…

Spud Boy
Spud Boy
2 years ago

Trump doesn’t need a wall. He can deploy the U.S. military to the border any time he wants.

calsdad
calsdad
Reply to  Spud Boy
2 years ago

If things get bad enough Trump could just stand aside and let the Texas National Guard deploy – or look the other way as “citizens” deploy themselves to the border. Which are both things talked about and done in small amounts previously – and then stomped on by elements of the Obama administration.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  calsdad
2 years ago

That’s what a National Guard is for- borders and riots- not to be exhausted in the Mideast.
I don’t trust Dubya, not a bit.

tsnamm
tsnamm
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

And if the National Guard in Texas is full of Hispanics they’re going to do what exactly? They will not”follow orders ” from a gringo President against their own people.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  calsdad
2 years ago

As long as he lets them do it right. Back in my National Guard days about 15 years ago, I volunteered for a border mission – then found out we wouldn’t be bringing any weapons, and quickly unvolunteered.

Monty James
2 years ago

Someone on GAB pointed out the Mexican presidential election was won with the slogan, “They’re right, this place is a shithole! Better move to America!”

james wilson
james wilson
2 years ago

This is great news for the US. All the masks are off on both sides of the border. This will not only advance Trump, it will concentrate and improve him on the border. One separate thought. The only man who can save Obrador from himself is Trump. You never know. I’ll wait a bit and see how he plays him.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  james wilson
2 years ago

So many masks have been pulled off. Now we continue to find out who covers their eyes and ears and goes “lalalalalalala” to avoid reality.

james wilson
james wilson
2 years ago

I consider that, for us, (South) America is ungovernable; whosoever works for a revolution is plowing the sea; this country will ineluctably fall into the hands of a mob gone wild, later again to fall under the domination of obscure small tyrants of every color and race; we will be decimated by every kind of crime and exhausted by our cruel excesses.
The most sensible action to take in America is to emigrate.–Simon Bolivar

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  james wilson
2 years ago

Dagnab. And Bolivar, inspired by his model George Washington, went on to create six- six!- South American nations.

Frip
Member
2 years ago

When I start my car, the stereo automatically starts playing the audio from the last phone app I was listening to. I often think about a bunch of normies or my parents getting in my car and suddenly hearing something like this from Z’s recent podcast. “The fact is, without white people, black athletes would be throwing rocks at animals, hoping to catch a meal.” If you carpool with people from the office, that line just got you fired. Or can you imagine Z being booked (by mistake) as one of the guests on a Sunday morning political roundtable? And… Read more »

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Frip
2 years ago

I was thinking about that line all weekend – funny and so very true.

A.B. Prosper
A.B. Prosper
Reply to  Frip
2 years ago

Africa could on its own manage a late iron age maybe early modern culture. They make interesting and sophisticated weapons in many areas of that continent and have decent metal work and craft skills Modernity seems a lot less likely without help though if you put all the Ibo and the like into a country or two with rich resources , while you wouldn’t get Wakanda , you might get a prosperous modern nation till the neighbors killed them off. problem is not that there are no smart Africans, they exist and I’ve met some. Problem is proportions, too many… Read more »

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Frip
2 years ago

Frip, do your parents have any suspicion about the bad thoughts in your head? Does it cause problems? Since one person in my family has renounced me over politics, I am curious.

Frip
Member
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 years ago

LineIn. I’ll put it this way, the first I ever heard about Taneshi Coates was years ago, when I received a thick envelope in the mail from my dad. It was Coates’ famous essay from The Atlantic. He’d written at the top, “MUST READ! THIS GUY GETS IT EXACTLY RIGHT! IT’S WHAT I’VE BEEN SAYING ABOUT AMERICA FOR YEARS!” Since I was a teenager he’s made me sit through Mississippi Burning no less than 50 times. My mom is from the South so she’s more realistic. But yeah, I don’t discuss my Alt Right identity with my family. It’s not… Read more »

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Frip
2 years ago

That’s tough with your dad, although I imagine it would be interesting to discover why he is “obsessed with racism.“ I agree it’s best to say nothing and enjoy what you can in the relationship.

For years one of my siblings and I had avoided talking politics to one another but I messed up. I said that if I had been around in the 1950s during integration that I would have opposed it. I apologized for bringing up controversial politics but the damage was done and that sibling won’t speak to me anymore.

Frip
Member
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 years ago

Damn, I’ve never been THAT clear cut with my family. No way that would fly. My dad boasts about marching with Martin Luther King. Funny as shit how you went straight hammer to nail with the integration comment. Yep, “the damage was done.” There’s no walking that back. You went full Slayer. LOL.

Karl Hungus
Karl Hungus
2 years ago

For Mexico, it was all downhill after Montezuma. Zman, would enjoy reading a post on the Us/Mexico war from 1840’s; very under covered event IMO.

Al from da Nort
Al from da Nort
Reply to  Karl Hungus
2 years ago

Karl; *And* that campaign is the obvious point of departure for planning how to respond to Amlo if he’s serious about the war he promised to bring to us. Geography doesn’t change. Thing is, he’s a genius communist of sorts in that he promised his voters that he’d get them free ‘stuff’ by looting a neighbor’s capitalists instead of their own. Now, one may ask how that plan differs from that of Aleric the Visigoth, who is pictured at the masthead. IF he’s serious and IF we had a serious elite, pre-emptive/preventative war would be on the table for discussion… Read more »

tz1
Member
2 years ago

I used to point to Somalia as where all Anarcho-Capitalists should go because it had no state.
I wonder if they will now flock to Mexico…
They seem to be unable to credibly say that you can have liberty without a civilization, and a civilization without a civitas
And how is bringing more of them here going to advance liberty.

If Trump cuts remittances?

DeBeers Diamonds
DeBeers Diamonds
Reply to  tz1
2 years ago

Taxing remittances might pump up the crypto bubble again. Might even cause a sea change away from the cartels using bulk cash smuggling into crypto.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  tz1
2 years ago

Well, if liberals can’t bear life under el Trumpo, in a few years they can emigrate to another country right next door- California.

MikeW
MikeW
2 years ago

Brazil and Argentina are South America’s “next great successes”, and always will be.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
2 years ago

Suppose you are the leader of a country whose people are of modest human capital, like Mexico. You love your people but recognize their limitations. What is the best way to govern?

* Invite foreign investment and risk getting exploited and taken over by more competent outsiders who don’t care about your people?
* Don’t try to be a Western country and let your people live in a more primitive manner, which may better suit them?

Does either socialism or libertarianism offer a solution to this problem?

Drake
Drake
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 years ago

Right now for Mexico does it matter if you don’t deal with the elephant in the room – the narco cartels? Columbia beat them eventually with a lot of American help.

Until the cartels are dealt with, Mexico will be a festering shithole regardless of government policies.

George Orwell
George Orwell
2 years ago

“…for the simple reason it was never a modern country and is never going to be a modern country. The human capital of Mexico cannot sustain it.”

Uh oh. Now Fred Reed will declare Zman worse than Hitler.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  George Orwell
2 years ago

Fred is a fascinating case because he always faced the unpleasant truths of life without flinching. Then he moved to Mexico, married a Mexican, and suddenly HBD is a lie. The power of p*ssy, I guess.

Karl Hungus
Karl Hungus
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 years ago

Fred’s mexican wife is probably banging half the dudes in the village where they live.

David Wright
Member
Reply to  Karl Hungus
2 years ago

Being cucked in Mexico, Fred doesn’t deserve that.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 years ago

During the height of NAFTA fever, Mexican friends were telling me that whole towns had not one marriage-age male, as the men had all gone to the U.S.

My gods! What are we waiting for?
We should be invading THEM.

Tamaqua
Tamaqua
2 years ago

I’m cool with this guy bringing on a full on border crisis. It plays right into our hands not only with México but with our own domestic enemies. It’s a fight we can win now, so let it come. Militarization of the border, the promised wall, and the final destruction of the leftists within our own borders could all flow from the showdown happening now. I’m sick of the posing and the posturing. Pick a side and let’s play the game for real, and for keeps.

Arch Stanton
Arch Stanton
2 years ago

All this discussion on the future of Mexico with AMLO…ain’t nuthin’ substantive gonna’ change. The man said what he had to say to get elected, just like the gringo politicians north of the border. He’s smart enough to know that if he did try to shake things up too much, he’d be quickly taking a dirt nap. Please people, just remember…we’re talking about Mexico.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Arch Stanton
2 years ago

My guess is that anyone who stands between the cartels and their cash flow, for any reason, won’t be around long. AMLO knows that, I’m sure.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Arch Stanton
2 years ago

Thanks, Arch, I needed that!

guest
guest
2 years ago

There will come a point when it will be literally cheaper to just annex Mexico, rather than to deal with the various fallout’s any other way, hell i used to joke that the US should just invade everything down to Panama and it’s manageable 100 mile border with Columbia.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  guest
2 years ago

Sure would have made things easier if they had just drawn the border as a straight line along the Tropic of Cancer in 1848. At least it would be a shorter wall.

Burner Prime
Burner Prime
Reply to  guest
2 years ago

Taking control of Mexico would be a monumental nightmare. The violent, low-IQ population would never end their natural ways and could never be controlled, and never assimilated. The only way it would work is if the US did what they did in the country’s early years: to genocide the native population to the point of no return. That simply isn’t going to happen for many reasons.

Arch Stanton
Arch Stanton
Reply to  Burner Prime
2 years ago

No, it won’t, but kudos for the thought. We want fewer latins, not more of ’em.

Tykebomb
Tykebomb
Reply to  Burner Prime
2 years ago

Not with that attitude….

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  guest
2 years ago

That’s where I think it’s supposed to go.
They blank slate, Homo Econimus crowd will say the Amero is the only possible solution.

Burner Prime
Burner Prime
2 years ago

There are a lot of ways Mexico can try to re-take the SouthWest – their continued, never-ending goal – without resorting to open military conflict. The dream never died, it is always a flame in their hearts. It is part of the Plan Espiritual de Aztlán, and supported by the Mexican government, as you can see how ferociously they criticize the US when we talk about strong borders.. As they’ve already tried, they would like to revisit the treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo. As the population of Mexicans dominates the South and have close ties to their family and culture in… Read more »

Tim
Tim
Member
2 years ago

OT: Thanks for the Gab link to Cochran’s review of Zimmer’s book on Quillette. Cochran really discussed the Lewontin fallacy in a way that made me understand it. Tim

Harmonium
Harmonium
2 years ago

Has anyone heard of the Plan of San Diego? Regarding Mexican reconquest of the Southwest, this ambition of theirs is not make believe and has a storied history. The Plan was a conspiracy of Mexican nationals in the Southwest, in the early twentieth century round 1910 I believe, communicated via newsletters circulated from San Diego for a militant recapture of the lower Southwest. They intended to kill all males 16 and over and enslave the females and younger males! I think there were even some skirmishes and deaths involved. I have a book about it which I have not yet… Read more »

Eric
Eric
2 years ago

Funny, a guy in another string/site asked me what it was like in Atlanta. My answer? It’s overrun with landscapers (i.e. Mexicans and I didn’t have to spell it out) I know one very well. He subleased space in my shop for several years. When I first met him, his “Get To Know You” statement was .. “I love to Dig a hole an’ Plant a Plant” OK, that’s simple enough. He and his female companion were honest and friendly. They were also getting more loans and health care than I could imagine possible. They make great money. I do… Read more »

Frip
Member
Reply to  Eric
2 years ago

Well said. One expects things to go like one was taught in elementary school. Then as an adult you realize the game is actually dishonest and against your middle class ass. This hit me hard when I was in the emergency room. The head accountant lady was grilling me about payment and insurance while I was laying fucked up on a gurney in the hallway. I could barely talk and couldn’t open my eyes. Meanwhile the Mexican dude on the gurney next to me never got hassled. And I’m pretty sure he never got a $3,000+ bill in the mail… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Eric
2 years ago

That’s just it- they are for the most part very good people, not inclined to riot or jihad.

And boy, they can game things. White Dirts just don’t seem to have that clever “gaming thingie” in them like non-whites do.

Maybe in part because the Nons aren’t spending all their time trying to reform each other, they simply accept it and get on with things.

Chris in Ontario
Chris in Ontario
2 years ago

“Now, America has a failed narco-state on its southern border, thanks to the greed heads we politely call globalists.”

Add to that a failing, America loathing, welfare-state on your northern border. Great times, great neighbours. Sorry.

UpYours
UpYours
2 years ago

With Argentina, it is not the ‘Latin Way’ but the ‘White Southern European way’. Peron was Spanish and French Basque (100% White European). Argentina is much more whiter than Chile yet Chile is first world and Argentina is a shithole. Not as big a shithole as say Guetamala but a basketcase nonetheless. The reason why Argentina is the way it is, is the mass immigration of Eastern and Southern Europeans who with very rare exceptions like the Czech Republic and Slovakia have a piss poor track record of building a successful modern country. In a similar way America’s fate was… Read more »

MBlanc46
Member
2 years ago

Perhaps 40% or 45% of Americans will support closing the border with a nutty Marxist who hates America as president of Mexico. But what about the nutty American Marxists who hate America? Yes, they’re perhaps only 5% or 10% of the population. But they control the opinion-shaping institutions and they have a lot of fellow travelers.

UpYours
UpYours
Reply to  MBlanc46
2 years ago

Does not matter, Trump is POTUS and has full authority to seal the border. And frankly, SCOTUS has already determined that the black robed district judge tyrants have no right to intrude on legitimate executive authority when it comes to immigration. Trump should seal the border with the NG and tell them illegals to FOAD

MBlanc46
Member
Reply to  UpYours
2 years ago

Trump should do this and should do that. He was going to eliminate DACA on day one. Still waiting. He was going to build the big, beautiful wall. Still waiting. Trump stumbled on a winning issue and he milked it. Once elected, we’re still waiting.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
2 years ago

Moving both borders north would seem the best way to prevent a ruinous continental war. The Queen’s not in a position to protest much, either.