Outsiders

In every human society, large or small, there are people who don’t fit in with the main of the society. At the extreme end, these are criminals and subversives. At the more benign end there are oddballs and eccentrics. In small numbers they are harmless, just as long as they don’t form up into an organized whole. A criminal organization is a collection of people, who are no threat as individuals, but as a group they become a threat to the society. They become an alien body.

Human society is an organism. Like any organism, it must always be aware of threats to its existence, internal and external. A group of people inside society that is either hostile to the whole or merely alien to the whole must be treated as a threat. Since self-preservation is the prime directive of any organism, the most prudent approach is to treat the alien as hostile. To do otherwise risks making an error and allowing a hostile alien inside the society. That is a pointless risk.

Societies, like all living organisms have two general approaches to the problem of alien bodies inside the society. One is to destroy the alien body and the other is to isolate it and render it harmless. In the human being, the immune system will attack the foreign entity in an effort to kill it. If the foreign body in not a living thing, then infection will set in until the foreign body is removed. In some cases, the body will surround the item in a cocoon of calcium to isolate it and render it harmless.

In the case of human societies, the alien body is going to be people, like the criminal gang or some group of foreigners. For most of human history, this meant rounding up the aliens and executing them. Hanging criminals was the surest way to deal with the threat of people hostile to the whole. In the case of the non-violent, people who were just irritants, they would be expelled, Banishment solved the problem. This form of elimination allows the aliens to find a more suitable home.

Banishment also allows for reinstatement. A person or group that is cast out can, in theory, earn their way back inside. That requires a commitment to fit into the society and proof of rehabilitation. Banishment and the threat of it was a way to force people to assimilate into the society. A group of dissenters, for example, could remain just as long as they respected the wishes of the whole. Maybe they would be compelled to recant and accept the rules to which they were dissenting.

Human societies, like other living organisms, can isolate the problem. Prisons are really just a way of isolating the hostile foreign body. Instead of surrounding the criminals in calcium, they are placed in concrete boxes. Obviously, they can be permitted back into society, so it is not a perfect analogy, but the underlying logic is the same. Since modern societies do not want to execute trouble makers or banish them to the wilderness, they isolate them from the whole with prisons.

Segregation, formal and informal, is another way the problem of aliens is addressed by societies. The majority group forces the alien minority into a certain area and does not permit them outside that area. Segregation can be physical or logical. In the American South, segregation was mostly logical, as blacks and whites shared the same physical public spaces. In the North, it was physical as blacks were herded into ghettos and physically isolated from whites.

The story of Europe is really the story of people trying to figure out how to deal with aliens in their midst. Slowly and violently Europe has self-segregated. Every ethnic group has a place, either as a country or as a cultural zone within a country. There are notable exceptions, like gypsies, who roam about in all of Europe, but remain culturally at odds with the host population everywhere they live. Gypsies are an implacably alien nation within every nation they reside.

America, which has been multi-racial and multicultural since the beginning, has had another way of dealing with outsiders on the inside. That is to pretend they are not really outsiders. Some form of the phrase, “despite our differences we’re all Americans” is the national motto. The American creed is, in fact, built on this bit of self-deception about our differences. The fact that this is a big country with a low population density makes it easier to perpetuate the charade.

In Europe, a similar experiment is underway with the great homogenization within the European project. National identity is to be replaced with a European one. While less common, you can hear people say, “despite our differences, we are still Europeans” when talking about the current cultural and social unrest. In other words, the differences at the root of the social unrest are waved away and therefore the frictions are waved away as well. Everyone just has to pretend harder.

This actually works in the short run. Initially, the first generation of aliens bumping into one another want the new arrangement to work. They are willing to overlook the differences in favor of the assumed benefits. It is subsequent generations that begin to question the arrangement. They were not around to enjoy the giddy promise of the multicultural paradise. The kabob stands and food trucks are just part of the scenery of their life. What they see are the aliens around them.

This is the heart of the crisis in the West. Man is a social animal, who naturally wants to live in a society of people who look like him, sound like him, love the things that he loves and hates the things that he hates. Those are the invisible bonds that commit him to the other members and the other members to him. A society of strangers is not a society, but an ad hoc collection of people living outside their natural society. There is a word for such an arrangement. It is called a prison.

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TomA
TomA
4 years ago

Cohesion versus chaos. All high functioning societies are cohesive because they embody endemic trust and you can work all day instead worrying about getting stabbed in the back. A society disintegrates when you have to constantly look over your shoulder instead of focusing on productive pursuits. This is a natural law like gravity. It doesn’t care if you disagree.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Someone needs to enroll TomA in a diversity training class now! Too much noticing!

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Wolf Barney
4 years ago

My general impression after some discussions is that most all competent people notice, but fear to speak out. In such organizations where diversity is considered a “strength”, those diverse elements—there by dint of diversity rather than competence—are isolated into positions/functions where they do the least harm.

This seems to have worked after a fashion, but is a short term “solution”—only so many of such folk can be accommodated until the drag on the organization becomes life threatening. Not only life threatening to the organization, but also life threatening to the people dependent upon it.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Yeah, I love that. On vacation passing though Baltimore to the wife, “Boy honey, this place is really, REALLY strong!. Lock your door to keep the strength out.”

Also fun: “This place would be great, if it weren’t for all the damn lazy, grifting Swedes.”

King Tut
King Tut
Reply to  ProZNoV
4 years ago

“This place would be great, if it weren’t for all the damn lazy, grifting Swedes.”

We wuz Vi-kangz and sheeit.

Ifrank
Ifrank
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Diversity is our strength and water won’t wet you. Anybody with two eyes connected to a brain recognizes the lie. So why does it persist? Because of its political utility. Leftism. Globalism. Profits. Grrrr…I know I’m preaching to the choir, so excuse my intrusion and please read on for to find more edifying commentary than my own.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Ifrank
4 years ago

Diversity is a strength to the globalist oligarch seeking to import the divide into European civilizations for divide and rule.

kmbr
kmbr
Reply to  Ifrank
4 years ago

Why does it persist? Bullies., Case in point: A man got on our “neighborhood” website to express concern and make everyone aware that CAIR had a representative at the last school board meeting. He was immediately met with 50 posts calling him a racist and asking him if he was trying to spread fear of the Islamic kids. This was all done by white women who live in this immediate area. He’ll never do that again. He won’t change his views but now he knows never to vocalize them again. And in 20 years or less, the elementary school will… Read more »

Andy Texan
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Depends on how ‘our’ is defined.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  TomA
4 years ago

OR, put another way: High-trust versus low-trust society. Simple

John Smith
John Smith
Member
Reply to  Jim Smith
4 years ago

I think that jig was up long ago, Jim. Even a Yesterday Man like myself was suspecting the existence of the Matrix back in the 90’s. Ask any boomer that went through a divorce or family court… or got replaced by an affirmative action vibrant at work, or was in the wrong place at the wrong time when a spontaneous group of youths decided to have a round of the Knock Out Game. I believe our esteemed host’s analogy comparing our society to cellular biology isn’t bad, but I think it might be better served to scale it up to… Read more »

Screwtaoe
Screwtaoe
Reply to  John Smith
4 years ago

Yes the will to fight is the will to survive. Infections can alter the ability to even generate the will or even to alter the will from self-preservation to that of self-sacrefice. We are infected. The pozz parasite has altered our collective immune system. Not only has it rendered it unable to detect other invaders, it has actually inclined to invite more. Even as we step over the rotting flesh of our own people. When the parasite toxoplasma enters a mouse it neutralizes the mouse’s innate ability to detect cats and fear them as predators. The result is the mice… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Screwtaoe
4 years ago

Amen Brother…Isn’t it ironic that the thing that fights infection and disease is the “white blood cells” but like a doctor will tell you if there isn’t a lot of them doing it in unison then the disease or infection will overcome the host… Which brings us back around to Community once again where white people can work in unison to keep infection and disease contained or killed off…

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Screwtaoe
4 years ago

To complete the analogy, it has been said—and there is evidence for this—that we all develop cancerous cells on a regular basis, but that the cancerous cells are detected by the immune system quickly and eliminated. However, as we age, the immune system weakens and the spontaneous cancerous cells are not eliminated and we are stricken.

So, as societies go, what is now our physiological age and is our societal immune system now so weakened that these societal cancers spring up with greater and greater frequency. Is this our natural end?

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Compsci
4 years ago

Yup. You could say job #1 of the immune system is preventing tumors, ie, rooting out sedition.

Another way cancer beats the rap is by false flag, let’s say.

Cells have signal proteins on the cell membrane that declare themselves. There are immune cells that go around reading these proteins. If something doesn’t belong they call in reinforcements to destroy it. Sly cancers disguise themselves. Others grow so aggressively the immune system can’t keep up. Or like you said the organism is too weak to fight. *If I remember my biochem.*

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 years ago

We are punished if we read those signal proteins.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Compsci
4 years ago

Compsci, to flog the point even further, individual cells also have the built-in self-destruct button should they become weak, infected, or otherwise susceptible to cancerous growth. This autophagy is built-in insurance against cells getting all uppity in their progress. The stressors of hardship actually encourage this function, make the cells more efficient, make the body more robust. The sick or weak animal is killed by the stronger in the pack. Thats the immune system. But in many cases the weak, sick, or injured will also crawl off into the woods In the middle of the night to die alone. That… Read more »

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Screwtaoe
4 years ago

As people get older – their attitudes harden. What that means is that – as you said – many people are “gone” and beyond repair. For many others – their natural defense and learning mechanisms likely still work – but, if those mechanisms are fed false feedback – they can never “learn”. Remember that old saying ” some people learn by other’s mistakes, some people learn from their own mistakes – and some people never learn …” ? . Well the never learn contingent is the beyond repair portion of the population you’re referring to. The “learn from other’s mistakes”… Read more »

Member
Reply to  John Smith
4 years ago

I’ve been thinking that there is a deep connection between the concept of life itself and the concept of a boundary or border and that this can actually be applied at the level of human societies. To digress a bit, it’s been proven that throwing together a few simple compounds that were present on the early Earth and zapping them with electricity you can generate a surprising number of “biological” molecules including amino acids, sugars, and even short strands of RNA. The problem with going from a pre-biotic soup to a cell is thought to be one of concentration. You… Read more »

Horace
Horace
Reply to  pozymandias
4 years ago

There is a reason you have a skin, a rapidly regenerating protective epidermal layer. There is a reason that DNA is enclosed within a nucleus (a WALL) inside every cell instead of free-floating in the soup like the other organelles. Complexity must be protected from unplanned undesirable interactions or it will be destroyed. The complexity of life is enclosed within a nested sequence of walls that scale with dimension. Putting it another way: nature, or the mathematical understructure of reality, imposes STANDARDS in order for complexity to evolve. The very essence of leftism is to destroy standards. They are at… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  pozymandias
4 years ago

Kind of OT, but there’s the second law of thermodynamics, which describes the natural tendency of ordered systems to break down. So what orders them? Life. Life isn’t just something that exists in a cold universe. It’s the opposite, ordering principle that works against entropy. Never read that in a textbook, it just occurred to me one day, take it fwiw. Seemed more reasonable to think of life as a principle of reality than something that dies, because life just keeps going on. I never understood why science thinks everything is dead stuff when the reality of life is all… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 years ago

A late reply to Painter: That’s why I see “spirit” as a physics or physical phenomenon, as electromagnetic DNA. This is the divine spark that crosses the void in the Seeding, and ignites order- propogating life- on roiling young worlds. The Word before the Body, as then the Body generates a new Word. The Song of Life spreading through a cosmos, pushed by the omnipresent, relentless pressure of the fundamental Force of binding. That force is what I call the Creator. It’s ok to put a face on it and call it a God, if personalizing it helps one feel… Read more »

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  TomA
4 years ago

Most societies even homogeneous ones are not high functioning past the tribe/clan level . Some Asian societies can be forced to order and a some European societies Christendom and onward and Japan are naturally high order. This is not a natural condition though as Robert Howard sagaciously noted Barbarianism is the natural state of mankind. Civilization is unnatural. It is the whim of circumstance. And barbarianism must ultimately triumph” And note for almost all its history save the last thousand years or so, most of Europe was barbaric. Empires like Rome of course can force men to order but in… Read more »

Yman
Yman
Reply to  TomA
4 years ago

Moreover multi-racial society is naturally make no ethnic group can be a majority mean that people who own corporation and bank will rule where every body are minority

That’s reason why small group of people who own corporation and bank promoting multi-racialism

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
4 years ago

You can track the precipitous decline of the States directly against integration of the foreign body with the entirety of its host. Whereas it was growing, but still isolated all that changed in the 60s and we’ve been slowly dying of cancer ever since, though the speed of the disease is rapidly increasing now. Is there any argument that the 50s-60s were the height of the US civilization? Massive prosperity, massive technological innovation, fairly harmonious culture (before ’65), etc. Once ‘civil rights’ and the floodgate of foreigners were opened whites could no longer focus on technological advancement exclusively. You had… Read more »

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Apex Predator
4 years ago

Russia is not as homogeneous as you make it sound – there are significant problems with the residuals of both the Russian Empire and the Soviet Union, especially east of the Urals.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Apex Predator
4 years ago

Is there any argument that the 50s-60s were the height of the US civilization? Depends on what you mean by civilization. The problem with the Mad Men-era was that it ushered in the culture of consumption, mass television brainwashing, women fleeing the kitchens to divorce their husbands and so forth. Now, I wouldn’t venture a bid as to the greatest decade in US history, civilization-wise, but I figure we should look before 1914. Just a marker: The Last of the Mohicans was the top bestseller in the US for more than a decade when it was published. You might argue… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 years ago

The peak decade can be argued depending on the preferences of what makes “peak”. To me, more importantly, what behaviors, policies, and institutions build up and strengthen the culture, rather than tearing it down?

We have seen cultural teardowns in the U.S. beginning in the 1850’s, the 1910’s, and the 1960’s. It is not so much the peaks as the direction of the processes, IMHO.

Samladams
Samladams
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 years ago

Years ago, when my great aunt died, helped my grandfather go through our old farmhouse figuring out what to do with the contents. One thing that struck me were the number of books, most owned by my g and gg grandfathers. History books, gazetteers, law books, literature. Kept many of them. These were farmers that were educated in a one room school house that still stood about a mile and a half up the road. Yet even with bare middle school educations, they took great pains to read and learn, even if self taught. Kept as many of them as… Read more »

Reziac
Reziac
Reply to  Samladams
4 years ago

That was typical. Before television, every farmhouse had a well-used and treasured library.

Have you looked at grade school primers from, say, about 1920 or before? They’re beyond the level of today’s average high school students. That 19th century farmer with his 4th grade education was better educated than many of today’s college graduates, and had a mind more interested in exploring whatever knowledge it could find.

Samladams
Samladams
Reply to  Reziac
4 years ago

Have several. Favorite is my g-grandfathers “French’s Common School Arithmetic” He used to work problems in the end pages and margins—his skills were way ahead of where my kids were at 9-11 years. And the problems were practical ones like calculating interest, geometry, calculating crop yields and prices.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Samladams
4 years ago

My Carnegie-built library “modernized” several years ago and so sold off large quantities of books. I purchased dozens of history books. What you read in a history book from the first half of the 20th century is completely different than what’s printed today. I was also able to score some adolescent-level history books. They blow away anything that kids get today in their “social studies” (how I despise that term) classes.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  KGB
4 years ago

Are they books that are still in circulation or ones that you can’t find anywhere…If it’s the latter maybe some copies can be made and sold to other dissidents…

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Lineman
4 years ago

Never thought about that angle. It’s something I’d be willing to do if plausible.

james wilson
james wilson
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 years ago

In 1831 and aristocratic visitor who traveled the states found the US to be the best educated people on earth, where citizens had six or eight years of schooling or none but the bible and the odd volume of Shakespeare l but all were literate and found their continuing education at work. He spoke to people on the street who explained answers to questions that the educated of Europe had never grasped.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Apex Predator
4 years ago

Apex, good point. I treat such responses—immigrants open great restaurants—as a “tell” of sorts. I immediately know I am not talking to a serious person (actually a stupid, ideological person) so I don’t waste my time. There are many such “tells”, but that’s another thread for another time.

Reziac
Reziac
Reply to  Compsci
4 years ago

My response: What, you don’t know how to follow a recipe??

Member
Reply to  Reziac
4 years ago

There seems to be a difference between elite Leftism and what I might call “Folk Leftism”. The young white people who accumulate in hipster enclaves in the cities are practicing the latter. As with most folk religions, there’s a lot of “magic” in it. So the usual response is “well of course I can follow the recipe but only a REAL insert-dirt-worlder-here can make insert-favorite-food-here…”. It’s a variant of what Z has called the Magic Negro meme.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Reziac
4 years ago

Reziac, they can follow a recipe alright. And one day not far off, long after they forgot why the salt shaker resides on the dinner table, they will be trying to figure out how to unsalt the melting pot.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Apex Predator
4 years ago

Good call, Apex. You’ve skewered the lamest and most cucked of the lot. Foodie culture is a different kind of sportsball for a different kind of fan. At least sportsball had some proletarian elements. Foodie culture is like soccer fandom.

No offense to Euros, this is an intra-American thing.

In our country, soccer fandom is first and foremost a virtue signal that you are not like “low class” fans in more white and blue-collar rooted American sports like football and baseball. Negrolaters who are NBA fans are a different sect with similar motives.

whitney
Member
4 years ago

Pascal BRUCKNER.- “I rather have the impression that our immune defenses have collapsed…”

He’s talking about Islam in France but it’s really about everything isn’t it. It’s like we have cultural AIDS

John Smith
John Smith
Member
Reply to  whitney
4 years ago

The gays and their plague are symptoms of a spiritual case of it as well. When you have no shared ethics or morals, these things happen. It may not sit well with some to say God hates faggots, but it is abundantly clear that Darwin and Murphy do.

Deus vult.

whitney
Member
Reply to  John Smith
4 years ago

Sodomy is a sin that cries out to heaven for vengeance but as always it’s the sin not the sinner that God hates

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  whitney
4 years ago

Even gays could be feted like the prodigal son.

John Smith
John Smith
Member
Reply to  whitney
4 years ago

I hear that, Whitney, and have yet to see that in the bible. (I am still on my first pass through it, though, and stand to be corrected if necessary). I wouldn’t be surprised if those are the words of some cucked fake Christian signalling to the left. If I am in error on that – my apologies. I have a homosexual militant SJW daughter and all I can do for her now is pray. After the way she treated me and her mother… let’s just say that God will have mercy on them in His realm. In this one… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  John Smith
4 years ago

There are a few places where it is present – the various times Israel rejects God, gets squashed, returns to God and gets raised up again. In the NT, parables such as the prodigal son. lost sheep, lost coin give a similar message. However, beware the preacher who pushes forgiveness without true repentance and amendment of ways – therein lies the “cuck.”

james wilson
james wilson
Member
Reply to  whitney
4 years ago

Homosexuality is a defect, not a sin. It’s a sin what they may do with it. A sin cannot be a sin which repels me. The only sins I can commit are those that attract me.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  John Smith
4 years ago

Homosexuals are essentially parasites. They cannot reproduce naturally – without lying about who they “are”. I’ve been hearing for years – from homosexuals – about how homosexuality is “normal”. Well I guess they have a different definition of normal – than I do. Confronted with the constant blatherings of the homosexuals and their word games – I was forced decades ago to consider exactly what the word normal must mean – in relation to human beings, and came to the conclusion that “normal” especially in relation to homosexual behavior must mean “ability to reproduce absent extraordinary measures” – or –… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Calsdad
4 years ago

Men are very physical and visual about the sex thing. Most men, no matter how they are socialized around it, find the idea of a gay male sex act as seriously “Ew, you’ve got to be kidding me”. The culture can bang away all it wants to about rights and tolerance and acceptance and celebration, but one cannot socialize away the “ew” factor. Which once again is a demonstration of how much our culture attempts to ignore human nature in the ways it goes about things. The typical male, away from the public posturing to keep his job or to… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Dutch
4 years ago

Dutch, exactly. That’s why I harp on tranny and butt-stuff as the weak tooth to hammer in rolling back Clown World. And that’s more of a man’s project than even Our Thing generally. Straight women don’t feel that disgust like straight men.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Calsdad
4 years ago

Gay couples don’t make babies. Without babies there’s no future. Therefore homosexuality should be discouraged. If people actually cared about the future it would be that simple.

The Smell of the Sheep
The Smell of the Sheep
Reply to  Calsdad
4 years ago

This used to be my go-to vid on the subject. No Christian morality.
“Should Marriage Be Limited To One Man And One Woman? ”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Fnhs3SaiT6w
It’s already out of date, as our government now promotes homosexual marriage and permits drug dealing in some cases. I’m not sure we can even say our government promotes police work anymore.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Calsdad
4 years ago

Eww. Sounds like a parasitic wasp implanting its offspring into a host.

Drake
Drake
4 years ago

Historically the American approach to outsiders was a bit more complex than that. When outsiders showed up in large groups – Italians, Irish, etc., they also ended up in ghettos. Getting out of the ghetto and being accepted into mainstream society required accepting (or doing a good job of pretending to accept) the values of mainstream society – which often took a generation or two. Walking around dressed like a European peasant and failing to speak English got you shunned by neighbors and employers. Now that carrot and stick approach to assimilation is gone. We are supposed to “celebrate” people… Read more »

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Drake
4 years ago

It’s gone even further than that. Now the only ones being shamed are the hosts of the nation. Shamed for being white.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Wolf Barney
4 years ago

Yes – Although the patience of normal whities is running very thin with that crap.

Arthur_Sido
Member
4 years ago

It took the better part of the 20th century for white, European immigrants from Ireland, Poland, Italy, etc to successfully assimilate into American culture and they were at least trying. It caused a great deal of strain in my dad’s family that he didn’t marry a Polish girl.

Our new immigrants, welcomed in by the millions by America-First President Trump, have no interest in assimilating or becoming American. They simply want our stuff without having to deal with the people who created it.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Arthur_Sido
4 years ago

I knew kids whose parents came from Greece, Hungary, Armenia, and Lithuania. Their parents were all wildly insistent that their families become “American”.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Arthur_Sido
4 years ago

As we fall to less than 50% of the population, the brown horde will be America and what it means to be American.

American no longer means what it once did. People need to let it go. You aren’t an “American” anymore, at least not in a spiritual sense. It’s not our country anymore. We have to accept that, and move on mentally to create something new.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
4 years ago

Moving on mentally is going to be difficult for most. I’m there, and what I’m thinking when the American flag is displayed or during the national anthem is different than what my patriotic friends are thinking.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Wolf Barney
4 years ago

The feeling that I get when I see the American flag is that of looking at the picture of a beloved grandparent who was murdered.

Anon
Anon
Reply to  Arthur_Sido
4 years ago

Did they ever though? To this day, Minnesota, where Swedish immigrants clustered, is characteristically cucked-out and polite to self-injury. There is no such thing as assimilation. There is integration, whereby the foreign nation mimes the host convincingly enough no longer to stand out as out of place, ensuring a tolerated presence. There is intermixing, or amalgamation, where separateness is not erased either since the resultant nation is different from both preexisting ones, neither of which surviving if the phenomenon is widespread enough. A third option is subjugation, where either nation establishes dominion over the other such that the threat of… Read more »

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Arthur_Sido
4 years ago

New year’s eve I was in a small town. Tiny, but close enough to wealthy white exurban communities to exist comfortably in the bubble. The types of towns that regularly make the ‘best cities to live’ ‘…raise children’ etc. At this restaurant/bar having dinner, surrounded by blue state boomers; those persistent leftist types that transcend economic station. The retired teachers and private finance types, united in their desire to see Progress; the prius parked next to the Tesla. No young families. No kids at all actually. But for one. The barkeep’s baby. A toddler. The barkeep, who just acquired the… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Screwtape
4 years ago

Don’t you just want to tell WTF is wrong with you when you see it…I know I do when I see it…

Lorenzo
Lorenzo
Reply to  Screwtape
4 years ago

To be fair, if the restaurant’s patrons were as you describe them, I’d be pretty disgusted with them myself.

Ursula
Ursula
Reply to  Arthur_Sido
4 years ago

Arthur_Sido: “Our new immigrants, welcomed in by the millions by America-First President Trump”

Yes, POTUS is fighting shoulder to shoulder with the Chamber of Commerce to drive those wages down, down, down! American Thirst, perhaps, is more apt. Or American Worst?

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
4 years ago

The Sports/Entertainment complex facilitates this self-deception. Imagine a group of adult males at a bar. Instead of talking about any number of important topics (like this one) they talk about the latest Star Wars movie or the NFL Playoffs. Sports/Entertainment is a conversational safe zone, with the weather being an intro. It’s also a conversational blow-up doll where time is wasted talking about meaningless things while the world burns around us. As Americans we’re raised from day one to be adult juveniles, going into insulin shock five minutes into a laser tag game, watching plotless CGI laden movies. The outsider… Read more »

King Tut
King Tut
Reply to  JR Wirth
4 years ago

I find myself falling into a trough of despair at the sheer number of grown and even middle-aged men who still read and collect comics and enthuse about superhero movies. We live in an infantilised culture.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  King Tut
4 years ago

I find myself falling into a trough of despair at the sheer number of grown and even middle-aged men who still read and collect comics and enthuse about superhero movies. We live in an infantilised culture. Exactly so. My biggest problem with taking Vox Day seriously as a conservative or whatever he is, is that he promotes poz culture. I appreciate (in principle – I haven’t seen the end product) his re-editing classics for children in comic book format, but the critical word here is “children”. If you’re 25 and still a comic book buff, you’re not a serious person.… Read more »

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  JR Wirth
4 years ago

Sports obsession goes back much farther. Ambrose Bierce: “Work not on Sabbath days at all, But go to see the teams play ball.” Also “ACADEMY, n. [from ACADEME] A modern school where football is taught.”

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
4 years ago

I’d say our situation is more like a mass toxoplasma gondii infection. We’ve had our brains rewired by a parasite to make us believe impossibly stupid things. Of course, the parasite was able to succeed because we had a weakened immune system so who’s ultimately to blame is questionable.

Regardless, if we are in a prison, it’s a prison in our minds.

Arthur_Sido
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
4 years ago

A ((parasite)) you say?

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
4 years ago

Beat me to it Citizen. My only addition was the danger that persists even after the invader is identified and purged. Wiring remains. There are people that simply cannot re-order their minds toward natural law and Truth. Further separation/isolation is necessary.

Hence looking for short term solutions with an eye toward the long game.

Ifrank
Ifrank
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
4 years ago

Sometimes the genome will change – a mutation – due to internal forces. Genes just make a mistake when they replicate. The genome can also change due to external causes. Cigarette smoke. Radiation.

The menome (did I just invent a word?) can change too. Memes are sneaky little mutants that are generated in academia, are highly contagious, virulent, and spread rapidly. The classroom. Television. The media. Thusly, some deadly little meme such as “Diversity is Our Strength!” begins its attack on the menome.

Member
4 years ago

We are not a species that does well with scale. Communities used to be made up of a size where all the fathers could get together to talk about problems the community was facing in a decent sized barn. The mass movement into cities was bad enough, but then someone got the idea that what we really needed was to bring together foreigners from all over the world into one spot with relatively large amounts of anonymity. This anonymity is one of the reasons crime has always been far worse in cities than in the country side. Not the only… Read more »

Markø
Markø
Reply to  Tars_Tarkusz
4 years ago

I agree that we don’t do well with scale. I think a city of 100K is about big enough to function well, maybe bump that up to 250K for more organized & industrious races.

Rogeru
Rogeru
Reply to  Markø
4 years ago

Automation seems like it should undercut the need for dense populations.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Tars_Tarkusz
4 years ago

. I just hope that when the SHTF, the right people get got…
That can only happen if you have a Community before the SHTF…It will be chaos if you don’t and the right people will be the warlords taking the prepared peoples stuff because they are isolated…

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Lineman
4 years ago

Lineman, your wish is granted.

Ethnic gangs and ghettos are Community.
Soon enough these tribes will go to war.

We’re progressing to the Bronze Age.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 years ago

Some good books to read are Out of the Mountains and Accidental Guerrilla on that subject…

Member
Reply to  Lineman
4 years ago

The prepers are the worst. They really think they can hide behind a gun. Most of them are really just larpers who view “prepping” as a lifestyle you can order off Amazon and learning the 10 most difficult ways of starting a fire or stocking up on really overpriced processed foods. They can’t sew or cook or fix a car or a 100 other useful things in the apocalypse. The idea that they need a good solid community all together in one space just never crosses their minds. Of course they are prepping for the most unlikely events. If you… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Tars_Tarkusz
4 years ago

Tars, preppers are good for Us on the whole, guys who for the most part have the iconoclasm and resolve to step away from Clown World. Some are simply misdirected. You’re right about those, guys who don’t develop a versatile skill set based more on self-sufficiency than battle-tactics and guys who fail to see that numbers are how you best develop that skill-set as a community, the “do it alone” preppers whose vision of the future is a cabin on Ruby Ridge rather than a home in a small town. Of course those are the types you see depicted in… Read more »

Member
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

I agree they are mostly good guys and probably not outright hostile to us. I’m not getting my idea of what a prepper is from the TV. I haven’t watched TV since about 04 or so. I get the impression from YT preppers. I grant you that a lot of the channels think they are a YT star and should make YT videos for a living, and so grifters are more prevalent, but a lot of these channels pushing knives, flashlights, packaged meals and fire-starters have pretty large followings. Someone is watching them. I made the mistake of getting into… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Tars_Tarkusz
4 years ago

Yea its the I got mine mentality and screw the rest of you if you didn’t prepare never realizing that without people you are vulnerable to the warlords that have the people but need your stuff…I’ve talked to preppers til I was blue in the face about the need for Community and it went in one ear and out the other…

ExNativeSon
ExNativeSon
Reply to  Lineman
4 years ago

Lineman—Interesting observation. I am trying to reconnect with old friends who I had lost contact with.

Last week I visited one such friend in the South. He and his immediate family are living in a place where they connect with no one and don’t try.

I see a perfect Ruby Ridge situation where they are taken out easily in a strike that can happen at any time. This guy is smart and prepared but it is just him and his family.

When I left I told him good luck but I will not be contacting him again.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  ExNativeSon
4 years ago

I see a perfect Ruby Ridge situation where they are taken out easily in a strike that can happen at any time. This guy is smart and prepared but it is just him and his family.
Exactly right Brother if they are already isolated from the Community around them then whoever that has more personal can wipe them out and no one will care…

Major Hoople
Major Hoople
Member
Reply to  Lineman
4 years ago

Lineman, you need to read something on Michael Collins during the Irish fight for independence. I’m reading “The Squad” (and the intelligence operations of Michael Collins) by T. Ryle Dwyer. It’s a darn insightful book on how the IRA organized to fight the British. I find it inspiring, and I say that as someone descended from the Ulster Scots Irish prods. TimNY

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Tars_Tarkusz
4 years ago

Scalability is something I think about often.

The US republic is scaleable…to a point. Clearly, we’re well beyond anything that our current Constitution is capable of managing. Hence, constant ad hoc “band aids” from courts, from federal bureaucracies, executive orders just to keep the plates spinning in the air.

“Self government” for 330 million people who don’t even share the same language is impossible.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
4 years ago

Freedom of association implies the inherent right to exclude. Somewhere, in all the “can’t we all get along” nonsense, and dozens of federal court decisions, the idea that someone, somewhere, might not get to be a part of a group they want to enter became the worst thing ever. If I could wave a wand and get in the way back machine, I’d make freedom of association the number one law of the land, inviolate, and unchangeable. Even lefty platforms like Twitter acknowledge this: users can block viewers, have private platforms, etc. But put that into place in the real… Read more »

Markø
Markø
Reply to  ProZNoV
4 years ago

Yes, freedom of association and freedom of speech are my prime directives

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  ProZNoV
4 years ago

Bingo, we have given up our right to disassociate, without even realizing it for what it is.

Major Hoople
Major Hoople
Member
Reply to  ProZNoV
4 years ago

Freedom of association is the number one issue. It is what divides the DR from Conservative Inc. and getting it back is like trying to square the circle.

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
4 years ago

“A society of strangers is not a society, but an ad hoc collection of people living outside their natural society. There is a word for such an arrangement. It is called a prison.” This is what makes our current predicament unique, prison on a civilizational scale: We have a ruling force (a minority) that has disassociated itself from its natural base (a majority). If they go too hard at dissent they will attract attention to it and help it spread thanks to resentment and other innate forces they cannot control. The growing sense of a need to act as a… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Yves Vannes
4 years ago

There are lots of things to notice these days, but a culture that is declining, not growing, devolves into a free-for-all over who can grab the various brass rings of power and wealth, as everyone goes around on the merry-go-round. It appears to me that this is where our situation lies, these days.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Yves Vannes
4 years ago

YY, I think the sheer scale of America makes a “national nationalist” party untenable. We could make an impact in formal politics on a local level, on a long timeline maybe even state level (to the extent states matter now, having mostly been reduced to administrative subdivisions of the Feds). That said, the scale of America also makes it difficult to hold together under an enforced mono-culture. Building for Balkanization is the solution. These analogies are always imperfect, but there’s an archaeo-futurist parallel here to the feudal succession to Imperial Rome. Common-sensically enough, one thing I’m getting from a lot… Read more »

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

I agree. Both the collapse and the response to that collapse will have a regional character. Which is why you should do as I have and leave California.

Drake
Drake
4 years ago

North versus South segregation:
I was in the Marine Reserves. In my first unit in Massachusetts suburbs, there weren’t many blacks and they certainly didn’t segregate themselves. Then I moved to North Carolina. My new unit is Greensboro was about 50% black. The first time I walked into the drill hall, the white Marines were all in a group on one side, the blacks all in a group on the other. I thought “you have to be shitting me”.

Chris_Lutz
Member
Reply to  Drake
4 years ago

Actually, it’s common human behavior. Put a small number of any group into a larger group and they’ll, by necessity, socialize with the larger group. Get enough numbers in the minority group, and they’ll split off by themselves. Had a number of S. Koreans at a private school and the S. Koreans kept to themselves. Talked with the S. Korean teachers and they pointed out there were too many S. Korean students at the school.

Rogeru
Rogeru
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Somebody a long time ago said the North loves the race and hates the individual while the South hates the race and loves the individual.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

There’s a great quote from Gone With the Wind that shows this attitude very well (I expurgated this to bypass filter…) …. “My nurse, my Bridget, has gone back North. She said she wouldn’t stay another day down here among the ‘naygurs’ as she calls them. And the children are just driving me distracted! Do tell me how to go about getting another nurse. I do not know where to apply.” “That shouldn’t be difficult,” said Scarlett and laughed. “If you can find a darky just in from the country who hasn’t been spoiled by the Freedmen’s Bureau, you’ll have… Read more »

The Smell of the Sheep
The Smell of the Sheep
Reply to  BadThinker
4 years ago

And for some of those Anglo bigots, NINA. Will Louisa May Alcott be disappeared soon?
https://www.thejournal.ie/louis-may-alcott-no-irish-need-apply-2271995-Aug2015/

bilejones
Member
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

During the shooting of the original “Planet of the Apes” at lunch time the cast unconsciously (at least at first) segregated themselves at different tables for Humans, Gorillas and Chimpanzees.
We want to be with our own kind,
Why is that so hard for some to accept?

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  bilejones
4 years ago

They can’t if they want their plans to succeed so they will keep doing what they are right now and keep shoving diversity down our throats until we band together and stop them…

Badthinker
Badthinker
4 years ago

It sounds like the Zman has been reading Hilaire Belloc recently. The introduction of his 1922 work ‘The Jews’ describes the problem and possible options in the same way as this post. Of course, Z’s identification of the broader scope of the challenge of diversity is a useful extension, and also is a good reminder to the subscribers of ‘magic jew theory’ that this is a generalized problem, not just a specific one related to a specific race of people. “That problem is the problem of reducing or accommodating the strain produced by the presence of an alien body within… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Badthinker
4 years ago

Also, let me add a thanks for “a good reminder to the subscribers of ‘magic jew theory’ that this is a generalized problem, not just a specific one related to a specific race of people.”

I over-focus on Noticery, ignoring the collapses and patterns in other parts of the world.
That’s a fault.

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 years ago

“That’s a fault.” Not necessarily. While it’s true that it’s a general problem, in the US it IS mostly – nearly entirely – one ethnoreligious group. What’s local matters most. So if you’re in the SW US and concerned about venomous creatures, then the rattlesnake and the scorpion are your main problems. Sure the blue-ringed octopus is more lethally venomous, and the platypus more absurdly poisonous, but no one could possibly fault you for focusing on Mr Rattler and his buddy Mr Scorpion, seeing that the other noxious creatures are in Australia. Not that I’m calling any group of poor… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Mike_C
4 years ago

Excellently done! Thanks.
I always hated the wife’s pet platypus anyways.

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
4 years ago

Some members of various minority groups are afflicted with what I call “resentment of marginality.” They have a grudge against society because they’re out of the mainstream and that’s why they’re prone to adopt radical ideas and get involved with radical groups. A member of a minority is typically more conscious about being out of the ordinary than a member of the majority. A man who is 4 feet tall is more conscious of his height than a man who is 6 feet tall. A Black resents seeing White angels on the stained glass windows at church and American history… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Ris_Eruwaedhiel
4 years ago

This fits with my definition of “white privilege” as actually “ white obliviousness”. We live in a historically white-dominated society filled with white institutions, and accept our heritage environment as a fish accepts living in water, without much thought about what it is or how it works for them. A problem we have today is that people like BLM are intent on eliminating the white person’s obliviousness to how things have been. To “wake” whites through intimidation, and either threats or actions of violence, does not exactly send the message that where they want whites to go is a place… Read more »

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  Dutch
4 years ago

Right. Our host with the most was redpilled early, living in Baltimore, where Whites are a minority.

Since WWII, Whites typically fled darkening neighborhoods, pushing deeper and deeper in suburbia. Sooner or later, you run out of places to flee to. Being nice to not nice people only emboldens them. I think that normies don’t want to think about where this all goes? They don’t want to think about a future where White people are a despised minority in our own country.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Ris_Eruwaedhiel
4 years ago

A rootless and despised minority.
Rings a bell.

Diversity means everyone ends up a rootless and despised minority, now that I think about it. These values are not our own.

Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 years ago

The Usual Suspects have flipped the table against us.

Most certainly not most people’s values. The ideal nation is the nation-state.

California is a majority of minorities. How’s that working out?

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Dutch
4 years ago

Dutch, I think that’s one reason why BLM was Canceled. Bad optics, boiling the frog too fast and tussling for headship with the Chosen. They were the hotness through about 2016-17, now they’re shut out and starved of Soros-bucks.

Epaminondas
Member
4 years ago

The grifters promoting this societal destruction are often making lots of money off the process. It’s interesting how the truly dangerous, hostile aliens among us are able to keep their hostility under wraps in order to seduce the stupid, the naive, and the gullible.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
4 years ago

Re: America being born multi, I’ve never been satisfied with the idea. True there were all sorts in N. America yet the revolution was against the British crown, the law is in the English tradition, the founders saw themselves as British.

If America was doomed from the beginning it’s because of the multi idea. To be perfectly honest I see the first wave immigrant families freaking out about the newcomers taking their country and a part of me thinks Well how does it feel?

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 years ago

The multi idea with Anglos, Dutch and Germans (not counting blacks–they were slaves) is a whole different ballgame than the multi idea with Somalians, Guatemalans, and Pakistanis.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Wolf Barney
4 years ago

Maybe America is just a tough place for natives. We’re all either Indians or colonists.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 years ago

And I mean that in the sense that yesterday’s colonist is today’s Indian. Endless churning, endless revolution. It gets tiring.

Rogeru
Rogeru
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 years ago

Beginning in 1848 the US received a huge wave of immigration from Germany. Millions of new people with no cultural connection to the American Revolution or British customs settled in the North and upper Midwest. In the 1850s a new political party was born, self described as radical this new party had a new conception of what America was. This party won the 1860 presidential election setting off a war in which their side made extensive use of immigrants. Ultimately the new comers won the war, indoctrinated the idea of a “proposition nation “, reversed the bill of rights on… Read more »

Samladams
Samladams
Reply to  Rogeru
4 years ago

Both my parents grew up in the rural Midwest. One thing I recall was that there were still towns that were “German”—all the Lutheran churches were there. Then there were the “Anglo-Scot” towns that featured Presbyterian, Methodist and a smattering of Baptist churches. There were virtually no Catholics. My mother ended up learning all the Catholic stuff since her best friend was one of the few in town and had no one to study for her confirmation with.

Mikoyan
Mikoyan
Reply to  Samladams
4 years ago

I was raised in one of those Upper Great Lakes towns, a working port. 49% dutch and 49% german with the “kickers club” for playing soccer uniting them and the DANK hall and reform church distinguishing them. I used to joke I studied with the dutch (strict parents) and partied with the germans (parents served us homemade wine and beer from age 11 or so. Top 4 highschool 70’s/80’s when I was growing up, within one generation ranked 50ish with 5% negro and 10% latino cohort today. First item I noticed while visiting recently was a play area inside by… Read more »

Lorenzo
Lorenzo
Reply to  Samladams
4 years ago

It was like that when I grew up in Central Minnesota long ago. There were Catholic towns (German, Polish, Czech) and Lutheran ones, Scandinavian. You could guess which type just by looking at the church.

james wilson
james wilson
Member
Reply to  Samladams
4 years ago

Lawrence Welk, raised in North Dakota, did not speak English until age 21. I knew a fellow raised in Chicago who did not speak English until he was ten.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Rogeru
4 years ago

Essentially, these immigrants became colonizers simply due to the weight of their numbers…
When the dissident right figures out the numbers game then we can build something big enough to separate or drive out the invaders…

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Rogeru
4 years ago

Yup. Essentially Bismarck won.
Here, have some carefully selected highlights from that Oh so reliable source:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto_von_Bismarck

” Bismarck created the first welfare state in the modern world, ….., he allied himself with the low-tariff, anti-Catholic Liberals and fought the Catholic Church in what was called the Kulturkampf —”

What could possibly go wrong with that?

Member
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 years ago

Multicultural in the sense of different British subcultures amongst the Americans of 1776. A Virginia gentleman like George Washington was culturally light years away from a Massachusetts Puritan, as they were from the backcountry Ulster Irish or a Pennsylvania Quaker.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 years ago

Multi-cultural old America (including the colonies) was a sort of geographical and governance self-segregation. We are not permitted to do that any more, though the red-blue self-segregation is proceeding apace anyway.

james wilson
james wilson
Member
Reply to  Dutch
4 years ago

Even through the 18th century New Englanders of the same stock would come to despise the people they lived around, pick up with a few like minded friends and found a town a few miles away. Of the same stock. Universalism is deadly in all forms.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  james wilson
4 years ago

That’s how my family ended up founding Hartford–their minister (Hooker) got in a beef with the John Winthrop–so everyone picked their shit up and left and started a new colony.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 years ago

The immigration racket is hardly new . One of the grievances the Founding Fathers had was that George wanted to keep Germans out as he didn’t want to rule over them #7 “He has endeavored to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands. Basically the Founders were greedy for land and greedy for more citizens to both grift off of and to build an economy and when the King said “We have enough… Read more »

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
4 years ago

Gone to the movies lately? 1917 is a good flick on the self destruction of western man. Interesting way to shoot the movie with one long take and no edits. However before the main event wading through what Hollywood has in store for us like black women James Bond 007’s and Nazi hunting multiculturals led by Al Pacino on Amazon Prime is disheartening. I am afraid the parasites have already gone to far in the destructive process for western man. World War 1 might have been the beginning of this phase? Not gonna get out of globo homo easily at… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
4 years ago

WW1 was definitely the catalyst for so much of this. We have yet to recover from it. All of the major turning points for where we are today happened long before most of us were ever born. By the time I was born everyone was already staring at mood rings in post Vietnam self indulgence. Where do you go from there? Nowhere but downhill.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  JR Wirth
4 years ago

We’re still recovering from the Napoleonic Wars, IMHO.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
4 years ago

I’m convinced it’s something to do with the Germans. I don’t know what it is or whose fault but the creation of Germany seems to have destabilized Europe in a way it never recovered from. The other powers want to keep them down, they react by trying to take over. Even with Rome, it was Germanic people who were the wrecking ball. Very interesting.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 years ago

Europe has always been unstable, and the Germans get singled out for the era of you-know-who. That said, and having lived there for a bit, Germany in the ‘70s was a remnant of the old, in which place and identity were very big things. Your hometown was indicated on your license plate, in the first letter or two, and it mattered. Who you were and who Germany was in the scheme of things was very important. That was overlaid with, particularly among the young, an unrooted and more nihilistic attitude. Hence the arrival of the EU. The young adults of… Read more »

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 years ago

You may be right. Europe seemed a more stable place when the German duchies were independent. If the Prussians decided to war with the world, the Hessians and Bavarians would just shrug. Probably doesn’t help that Germany was united under the most militaristic and controlling of the territories.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Drake
4 years ago

Europe seemed a more stable place when the German duchies were independent. Europe is “stable” as long as Britain manages to maintain the “balance of power”, which is to say, always fight against the largest power on the Continent as to prevent a unified Europe. When Spain was the most powerful country in Europe, Britain fought Spain. When France was riding high, Britain fought the French. So when the Germans became the most powerful country in Europe, well, they made an enemy of Britain. After Germany was defeated, Russia was the biggest dog in the yard. The stability of the… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Member
4 years ago

In “corrections theory,” they categorize the goals of a penal system as protection of the community, punishment of the offender, retribution for the victims, deterrence of potential copycats, incapacitation of the offender (preventing recidivism) and rehabilitation. And yes, these overlap somewhat. Redundancy in the persecution of vice is a virtue in this harshest of “critical” theories. Executing offenders satisfies all goals but “rehabilitation.” Incarceration allows for rehabilitation at the cost of undermining the other five goals. Yet we persist in preferring the shackle to the rope. But unlike the Central Park Jive and the murderers of Tessa Major, there is… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

No drone strikes…yet. There is an idea that people can isolate themselves behind the lines of a “forbidden zone”, some far-off place where they can do their thing and everyone buying into the “woke” thing can do theirs. But remember that being “woke” means you don’t just live your own life according to certain principles, but you force everyone else to do so as well. That’s where the drone strikes on the forbidden zones come in. The response to all of this is for different people to do different things. Some move to the forbidden zones. Others live semi-openly in… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Dutch
4 years ago

Agree Dutch, said much the same before. This isn’t to say there’s only One Trick, but merely that it’s One Trick we can and should use. I do think that we tend to overestimate the long-term willingness of our opposition to do scaled-up violence here at home, especially if it begins to upset their own cushy lifestyles. The US hasn’t suffered from what we’ve traditionally seen as a “war footing” since the Vietnam draft. Remember that the second-biggest driver for anti-war sentiment in Vietnam beyond the draft was the media coverage including unprecedentedly-graphic footage of casualties. I’ll be semi-contrarian in… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

“Sub-rosa drone strikes might fly for awhile…where even homeless guys have vidya-ready Obamaphones.”

A global Star Wars bar scene with personal drones on a Prison Planet.
Repo Man in Elysium during the Hunger Games.
Space platforms targeting Appalachian hill tribes and the feral savages of Lost Angeles.

F* me, what’s coming will be the wildest, wooliest science fiction ever.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 years ago

F* me, what’s coming will be the wildest, wooliest science fiction ever.

No it will not. Because we’re going to put a stop to it.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Dutch
4 years ago

We need to do it all, and different people will have different roles.
The key to all that though is they have to know one another otherwise nothing will work or get accomplished…You can not have atomized individuals doing their own thing able to complete a unified goal…

Drake
Drake
4 years ago

Countries are fairly homogeneous with a single large-majority culture and race. Empires are by definition multi-cultural and attract outsiders during their later phases.
Countries last indefinitely unless destroyed by external forces. Empires run through a 10-generation course and then collapse.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Drake
4 years ago

Countries establish themselves through geography, history, and shared cultures and values. Empires assemble themselves through conquest and assimilation of other peoples and geographies. At root, countries are stable, but empires are fragile.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Dutch
4 years ago

And forty years ago it felt like I lived in a country. Now it feels like I’m in a late-stage empire collapsing under its own decadence and corruption.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Drake
4 years ago

“Empires are by definition multi-cultural …”

I agree, but note that empires with monocultural ruling class can remain intact with authoritarian rule for a long time. It is when the ruling class itself goes multicultural that doom comes on black wings. Ruling elites then spend energy disputing civilizational mission rather than faction balancing proles.

2A_Practicioner
2A_Practicioner
4 years ago

Diversity has been nothing but a source of conflict, strife and warfare ever since we crawled down from the trees 4 million years ago and I present all of human history as evidence to that fact.

Jim Haples
Jim Haples
4 years ago

“Everyone just has to pretend harder.” See, right there is my problem. I haven’t been pretending hard enough! No longer will I try reason and facts when arguing with family already assimilated in the good-think egalitarian hive. I’ll just admit – Yes, I need to improve, to pretend harder. Thanks for that.

Maus
Maus
Reply to  Jim Haples
4 years ago

Pretend harder Citizen Jim. 2+2=5 and we have always been at war with those filthy whites. Do it for Big Brother!

Doofenshmertz Evil, Inc.
4 years ago

Totally OT, but I just thought folks might find this amusing… The other night I dreamed I was walking down the street on Ventura Blvd in Los Angeles (in the Valley). It’s one of the only parts of LA with a pedestrian street scene — people walk around shopping and so on. It’s also near the neighborhood where Steve Sailer lives. Anyway, who should walk past but Steve himself. He was only about 15 feet away, so I called out to him – “Hey Steve, I’m a fan of your stuff! You got five minutes to chat about issues?” He… Read more »

Mark Stoval
Mark Stoval
4 years ago

Great post Z-man. But the thread is even better. Congrats to the posters here. I find that the basic unit of society is the family. The extended family could be called the “tribe” or the “nation” (the real meaning of the word). Mankind was made to live in his own tribe. I don’t think we have any freedom at all if we do not have the freedom of association and the freedom to “tell it like it is”. For the above reasons, and so many reasons given in the great comments above I am afraid only violence lies ahead of… Read more »

Samladams
Samladams
4 years ago

Have I missed something or is it unusual that have never run across anyone that identifies themselves as a “European”? Just spent a week over there and even the UK’ers still identify regionally.

Samladams
Samladams
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

The other thing that was striking is that virtually the entirety of the hotel staff was what I’ll term “miscellaneous Slav”. All but the housekeeping staff spoke impeccable English, but were from all over SE Europe. Far higher proportion than in the past.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

West Coast = Irish and E. Euro. LA and San Diego have tons of these kids in the service industries. Trades & hotels to a lesser extent – Mexicans and other Latinos have a stronger footholds there and aren’t easy to crowd out.

Samladams
Samladams
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Starting about six or seven years ago almost the entire summer staff at the Stop & Shop in Nantucket went full Slav. The local elite prefer them since they don’t show up and refuse to leave like the Mexicans and Jamaicans.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

I believe there’s a Freudian connection to this. Western men (let’s face it, white men) were totally emasculated years ago. As white women survey the landscape of sad eunuchs around them, they want to import savage men. They secretly fantasize about being raped in the dark corner of a metro station, being taken by some brutish foreigner, even if he’s an inbred mongoloid. They’re desperate. “Okay! Have your way with me!.” Instead they mostly go home and stare at their cats scratching the cat condo in the living room.

UFO
UFO
Reply to  JR Wirth
4 years ago

The bigger the feminist she appears outwardly, the more freaky she is in bed. Feminists love rape play.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  UFO
4 years ago

If you’re messing with feminist don’t be surprised when you get hauled up on rape charges…Be careful we can’t afford to lose good men..

UFO
UFO
Reply to  Lineman
4 years ago

Oh trust me lol, not making the mistake of dating a feminist again. No kink makes up for the bitchiness

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Sir Humphrey Appleby:
Well, Minister, I’m afraid that is the penalty we have to pay for trying to pretend that we’re Europeans. Believe me, I fully understand your hostility to Europe.

James Hacker:
I’m not like you, Humphrey. I’m pro-Europe, I’m just anti-Brussels. I sometimes think you’re anti-Europe and pro-Brussels.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  thezman
4 years ago

Heh. Why not “We are all Earthlings?” Hell, “We are all Milky Way Galaxians “.

Equally meaningless, and silly.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
4 years ago

“Human society is an organism.” Hmmm. I doubted the analogy…until I read it’s NOT an analogy: ORGANISM, noun 1. a form of life composed of mutually interdependent parts that maintain various vital processes. 2. a form of life considered as an entity; an animal, plant, fungus etc. 3. any organized body or system conceived of as analogous to a living being: the governmental organism. 4. any complex thing or system having properties and functions determined not only by the properties and relations of its individual parts, but by the character of the whole that they compose and by the relations… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Jim Smith
4 years ago

Brings to mind the frontispiece to Leviathan. Or corporations as legal persons.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Jim Smith
4 years ago

“… it’s NOT an analogy”

Human civilization IS an ecosystem. NOT ‘is like’ but IS. Beavers build dams to modulate their local ecosytem to be more favorable to their interests. We humans do exactly the same but on steroids.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Horace
4 years ago

The weird thing about us humans is how we’re such good builders that we delude ourselves into thinking we can shape our reality, not just our environment.

kmbr
kmbr
4 years ago

It actually is starting to feel like a prison. Bare minimum, nothing like the country I grew up in.

I find we stay in more and more, if for no other reason because of the over crowding everywhere and all the aggravation that brings.

sirlancelot
sirlancelot
4 years ago

Always looked at outsiders like parasites. Latching onto their white host, sucking out their lifeblood ( finances ) preventing them from raising their own children. Draining their victims to raise their own parasitic offspring.

Of course globohomo plays a part in our demise. Letting the vermin eat us alive in hopes that they may raise another batch of obedient consumers.

White’s grow weaker every day . Whether we have the ability to fight off this virus who knows ? Would call for some very aggressive “medicine” and apparently we’re just not there yet 🙁

Pontificus_Maximus
Member
4 years ago

The last sentence in this post sounds like a hat tip to Alex Jones, who had the prescience to name his website “Prison Planet” many years ago.

Markø
Markø
4 years ago

I know that it’s axiomatic on /ourside/ that people naturally self-segregate, but sometimes I wonder if it’s actually the case. Hear me out. People self-segregated in the past not because they were consciously self-segregating, but because it was very difficult to pick up and move the family. It was dangerous to travel. There wasn’t common currency or Fodor’s or Google translate, and xenophobia was of course rampant. Now it’s rather easy to travel, most governments open their arms to foreigners (or “investment” to placate the xenophobes) and people do it by the truckload (literally) and almost every large city is… Read more »

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Markø
4 years ago

Economic incentives (both ‘work’ and ‘welfare’) drive a lot of the migration. As for heritage folks that willingly move into diversity, most are childless, unmarried, or gay. It’s a lot easier to live in diversity when your children aren’t subjected to it. There’s a reason that ‘good schools’ is a code word among real estate agents.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  BadThinker
4 years ago

“Good schools”, the shorthand term for self-segregation into preferred cultures via buying into a “good” neighborhood, if one can afford it. No doubt one reason why schools have been targeted for desegregation for decades, and now, more directly, section 8 and other neighborhood bust-ups. At some point, “good schools” will be one of those odious terms that good people should not use…

Markø
Markø
Reply to  BadThinker
4 years ago

That’s true. But I was thinking of families primarily. Most of the diversity I see in my home town are families. Third-worlders are attracted to white societies because they function. (They would be attracted to East Asian ones too, if they’d let them in.) So it’s possible that families would rather live where it’s secure & opportunistic over ethnic reasons. Whites think in terms of the cozy & happy homeland because we have cozy & happy homelands, and we may project that onto other peoples. Somali or Burmese peoples don’t give an F about their ethno-states, they just want “good… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Markø
4 years ago

Yes, immigrant families that want a piece of what we prefer to live in as well, and they pay up handsomely for the privilege (as the rest of us do, if we can). I do not hold it against them, and I would do (and have done) the same. But others, seeing themselves on the outside, typically by the economics of it, choose to tear it all down instead. Remember the pool party in McAllister, TX a few years ago? Whatever it started as, it turned into a neighborhood cultural teardown exercise.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Markø
4 years ago

Somali or Burmese peoples don’t give an F about their ethno-states, they just want “good schools”.

Untrue. They bring their clan conflicts with them into the new world. And they care about their ethno-states a great deal. This is why Ilhan Omar is the US Representative to the Somalians, not to her little district in Minnesota. She strives to be as “other” as possible, to never let anyone forget she is not a native born American.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Vizzini
4 years ago

Ilhan Omar is a manifestation of what happens when immigration overwhelms an area, and the crowd takes over from the occasional individual. A family moves into an area, and little often (but not always) changes. Ten families move in, and the neighborhood takes on the characteristics of the people that moved there, every single time. So the question becomes, what is the right number of “different” people to tolerate moving into an existing neighborhood? The number seems to be shrinking all the time, I know it does in my own head.

Lorenzo
Lorenzo
Reply to  Vizzini
4 years ago

Omar’s “little district” includes Minneapols–Minnesota’s largest city–and some surrounding suburbs. Population estimate: 719,000.

Here are the names of its last three representatives.

Martin Olav Sabo
Keith Ellison
Ilhan Omar.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Lorenzo
4 years ago

Blockbusting writ large.

Exile
Exile
Member
Reply to  Markø
4 years ago

Marko, a lot of that is a function of cultural compatibility and critical-mass numbers. A handful of immigrants from a widely-divergent culture like Somalia keep their head down and enjoy the “good schools.” This is what I saw with Blacks in Denmark. If and when that group gets large enough, they start flexing to change the community at large to accommodate more of what they want and push out that they don’t. This is what I saw with Turks and other more established Browns in Denmark. See also Islamic facilities and no-dogs, no-alcohol cabs at Minn-St. Paul airport. It’s not… Read more »

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Exile
4 years ago

I see that. I remember reading somewhere that if the immigrant total reaches between 20 and 30 percent, you start getting flexed on. Major League Baseball is a good example. It’s probably somewhere north of 30 percent now, and basically it’s now a mix of Dominican slumball and country hardball, with the Latin peacocking getting more egregious.