Three Plagues

The original plan for the show this week was to talk about the fact that many people seem to be enjoying the panic over the virus. This is a wide-ranging phenomenon that includes people on this side of the great divide. Greg Johnson, for example, thinks the lock downs should continue until forever. Presumably he knows immortality is not in the cards, so he is happy to keep the lock downs in place forever. He’s in good company, as lots of people seem to agree with him and want this to continue.

The lock down camp is not monolithic. Some people are simply enjoying the new lifestyle that has arisen in the last two months. Working at home, home schooling and the simple life has been a revelation to many people. One thing that has been revealed in all of this is that many Americans detest the office life. They hate it with the intensity of a thousand suns. If it means playing along with the virus charade in order to avoid going back to the cubicle farm, they are happy to do it.

There’s also a wing that is genuinely frightened. Here in Lagos, there is a couple that has not been outside since the local tyrant issued the lock down order. They have groceries delivered to them. There have been other deliveries, presumably other supplies they would normally buy at a store. The delivery people leave the items on the porch and when he has retreated to safety, they retrieve the items. Otherwise, they have not been outside in over six weeks now.

Of course, the fear is spread through the media. Something I’ve noticed about the people in the fear camp is they tend to be very left-wing. The couple in hiding are Bernie Bro types. Others are deep into the anti-Trump stuff. This makes some sense as left-wing people tend to be intensely on-line and very trusting of the media. They also have a faith in government that defies reason. They are sure all corporations are evil, but they have a child-like faith in the government.

This is something that normal people are picking up now. Much of what is driving the panic is the anti-Trump lunacy. We forget that these same people were sure that Trump was going to declare himself dictator. They are still sure he is secretly plotting with Boris and Natasha to “undermine our democracy!” Maybe they think the virus is part of the secret plot or some form of divine retribution, but they have conflated their response to Trump with their reaction to the virus.

On this side of the great divide, there is a wing that is driven by their reaction to the people demanding the economy open up. Like all reactionaries, they allow their enemies do all the thinking. If Paul Ramsey is in favor of something, these people will oppose it without giving it much thought. They better hope he does not do a video opposing suicide anytime soon. That is the cost of a negative identity. You put a leash around your neck and hand the other end to those you hate.

Right now, at least, the sum of these various tribes is a majority. Here in Lagos, the local tyrant will end the lock down this weekend. There will be plenty of restrictions, but business can begin to open again. The city and county officials, however, are fighting him and will issue their own orders to continue the lock down. Presumably they are doing this because they think it is popular. For now, at least, most people want to keep the pandemic charade going for the rest of the month.

That’s another element to this. Most people really do think the people in charge will figure out how to pay their bills and keep the food supply going. It really is just a live action role play for them. This is not everyone and maybe no longer a majority, but at some point, reality is going to return to the scene. You cannot shut down the economy like this without real consequences. How will the lock down fans respond when they are suddenly faced with the reality of this thing?

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Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
14 days ago

Greg Johnson is an often brilliant guy who likes to virtue signal.

As bad of a look as virtue signaling is on conservatives, it’s even uglier on members of the Dissident Right. I generally can look past disagreements but Johnson’s descent into Karenism will mar him forever. What’s worse, as the models fail spectacularly and the deception associated with the threat posed by coronavirus becomes more and more obvious (now we cannot open until there is a vaccine; really?), people like Johnson dig in further. It’s been pathetic to watch.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  thezman
14 days ago

The reason I have to disagree with you on the virtue signaling is this isn’t a one-off. Sometimes Greg reaches out to the Bernie Bros. or whoever in a way that is eerily similar to the cucks getting all hot and bothered over some POC embracing lower marginal tax rates. I can read the National Review for that type emo posing. I’m all for addition but, geez. That said, I’m not mad at Johnson, Sailer or anyone else. I’m just very disappointed but it is good to know this about them. I also respect Johnson’s undeniable intellect but this has… Read more »

greyenlightenment
Reply to  Jack Dobson
14 days ago

how do you respect someone for their intellect. that is something that someone is born with and didn’t earn. that is like respecting someone for being tall.

d.deacon
d.deacon
Reply to  greyenlightenment
14 days ago

environment matters enough that we have to mention it. otherwise all humans would have a common intellect level.

d.deacon
d.deacon
Reply to  Jack Dobson
14 days ago

it’s simply materialists being who they are. reality is nice logical reasonable and wonderful by itself, until it isn’t. thus all the despair and ensuing Karenism.

the Christian meanwhile knows how to be strengthened through despair, which is better – unless this tendency is overdone and he becomes a secret materialist through masochism. so, more moderation and reflection can help, else risk libcommie blowback like it happened to the Russian Orthodox a hundred years ago…

Bill_Mullins
Member
Reply to  thezman
14 days ago

[Greg Johnson] really thinks this is a great plague. Steve Sailer thinks the same thing. I know lots of people like this.

When I worked at the San Antonio State (mental) Hospital, back in ’73, we used to refer to patients who were less than totally psychotic as having “good contact” with reality. Associate with many people with “good contact”? IMNHO, nobody who “really thinks this is a great plague” could be said to be in “good contact” with reality.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Bill_Mullins
14 days ago

Indeed. The notion that Coronageddon is a “great plague” by any historical measure is objectively false and entirely preposterous.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
14 days ago

Earlier this week, I asked Sailer in the comments to acknowledge the physical (forget the economic damage, I only brought up the actual physical damages) trade-offs that lock down entails: higher suicide due to unemployment; increased domestic abuse; diabetes and other ailments due to weight gain and lack of activity; depression; and, finally, perhaps the biggest of all, the children who will never be born because fear over the economy.

Sailer didn’t respond.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
14 days ago

I hadn’t read him in weeks. I just stop by every once in a while to see if anything has changed.

But, then, I started having issues with Sailer years ago as I noticed that he never moved beyond snickering behind the bully’s back and/or trying to convince David Brooks to get on the Jew hotline and tell his fellow tribesmen to lay off the goys.

David_Wright
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
14 days ago

I guess Sailer thinks we should follow his income stream model. Quarterly begging along with the occasional ,daddy will you buy me this,? Yeah, stevie wants a new big honking super mac so he can blog better.

Polynikes
Polynikes
Reply to  thezman
14 days ago

Mr Cochran, whom I’m admittedly not very familiar with, has not acquitted himself well in those comments or on this subject. He’s been wrong several times and typically lashes out when shown data that doesn’t fit his presupposed conclusion.

d.deacon
d.deacon
Reply to  Polynikes
13 days ago

which is why an asterisk should always be included next to IQ averages, so these guys know there’s more to credentialing and knowing their (supposedly) high IQ. thus now Sailer, Cochran and others are believing themselves philosopher-kings, forgetting their boomer-scientistic bias exists. now to many, they have no clothes. of course this doesn’t disprove HBD, but on intelligence a lot of assumptions need qualifying it seems… for example, it could be argued that low IQ people are necessary so high IQ people don’t intellectualize themselves to death. imagine if the Right had only been fearful, or at best placid, high-IQ… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  thezman
14 days ago

Once in a while I’m bored and read a bit of Cochran. He has his echo chamber to reinforce his panic. All non-believers are cast into the void, with a great deal of vitriol. Greg used to be gruff, but he’s off the rails here. It’s a shame for such a man of great intellect. He had a future, but now holds on to an idea regardless of data. Well, Z-man, he did me one favor before his collapse into insanity, he introduced me to your blog. 🙂

Andy Texan
Reply to  thezman
14 days ago

I have banished all opinion leaders who have descended into virus-madness. It’s not manly for an American man to be scared out of his senses. I doubt Sailor would have joined a waggon train West or landed at Normandy. Geez Louise.

Michael Erpelding
Michael Erpelding
Reply to  thezman
13 days ago

It’s interesting that on both sides of the political spectrum, thoughtful people are starting to grasp the true nature of the real divide in modern societies. Consider Greg Cochran and Bill Gates. They both view human beings as objects, which through proper study can be defined by metrics. These metrics, in turn, can be used to generate processes to produce optimum outcomes. Their disagreement is procedural.

d.deacon
d.deacon
Reply to  Michael Erpelding
13 days ago

which is why we cannot be only objects. otherwise any and all “metrics”, specially in a more genetically varied world, can and will be used to create endless processes according to whatever outcomes desired by whoever feels powerful enough over the “objects” – and, learned enough over the “metrics”.

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
14 days ago

Ron Unz has been even worse. He calls anyone who questions the shutdown a virus denier. Sailer is getting hit pretty hard by his readers and he hasn’t done his typical spring fundraising drive yet. At least he has tried transitioning into other news and not solely talking about the virus. The Brunswick hoax seemed to shake him out of the virus trance at least temporarily.

greyenlightenment
Reply to  Barnard
14 days ago

and unz still got banned by facebook . goes to show how pandering to the left does not work.

Polynikes
Polynikes
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
14 days ago

Sailer has been a tough read on this. For a pretty even keel blogger, he’s let the fear affect his analysis. I understand he may be in the risk group and none of us are immune from fear. But even in the face of new data and questions like yours, he seems incapable of letting go. I persisted in posting some counter-data, but the comments have kind of devolved as the panic side seems to have won out.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Polynikes
14 days ago

People have a tendency to follow their biases. So Sailor groupies/commenters will follow his lead I assume. What I don’t agree with is that a person in a high risk category (as I am) should duplicitously attempt to lead others to behave as benefits himself, rather than state the facts and pursue the truth of the matter. That would be no different than what the grifters we so decry here do. I hope Sailor Is better than that.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Compsci
14 days ago

Sailer’s a good guy, and he’s been huge for our side. (It’s why I still send him money every month.) That’s why this has been so baffling.

This whole thing was made for Sailer. He should have been applying statistical analysis and breaking about the data showing the silliness of it all. And, yet.

David_Wright
Member
Reply to  thezman
14 days ago

Or very smart people lack balance and common sense

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  thezman
14 days ago

I know a biochemistry PhD professor. Won’t eat medium-well steak because “I might die from it”…

miforest
miforest
Reply to  BadThinker
14 days ago

that is paranoid madness.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
14 days ago

I do think that Sailer, Khan and a few others are bitter about not being allowed into the pundit club – and still cling to some weird hope that they can be on respectable panels and speak at conferences. I think that’s a big reason why Sailer won’t move forward; it’s admitting that the dream is dead. Not sure if that’s why they’ve gone nuts. They could’ve backed down on a million topics over the years to get back into the club. Why now? Why this? You might be on to something with the biology angle. Have a relative who’s… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
14 days ago

Boomers never aged well. They’ve always clung to their youth, whether by not dressing like adults, not wanting to be family men (even if they have kids), not respecting traditions, etc. They’re the Peter Pan generation.

Instead of planting trees in whose shade they know they shall never sit, the Boomers are ripping down existing trees for one last Woodstock bonfire.

Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
14 days ago

I look forward with interest to the graceful aging of Gen Xers, Millennials and Gen Zers. As I have said many times, all our historical writings show that man is pretty much the same as he was in the time of Jesus, of Homer, of Solomon, Moses and Abraham, all the way back. This generational sniping is exceptionally stupid.

Andy Texan
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
14 days ago

I know a lot of oldsters who scoff at virus fears while all the millennials are masked and gloved while out of their cocoons.

Gravity Denier
Gravity Denier
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
14 days ago

Sailer seems to be posting less frequently than he used to. Does he have a touch of the St. Virus dance, or believe he does? Personal problems? I’m sure I’m not alone in hoping he will be well. He’s earned enough credits over the years to win him a place in the HBD Pantheon, unless he chooses to lose his way.

3g4m
3g4m
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
14 days ago

No, Sailer’s not such a good guy. Not only has he gone bat-sh1t over the wuflu, but anyone who thinks that there ought to be any sort of rationality on death rates or elder care he’s now equated with a cold-hearted executioner. In today’s post at VDare in tribute to the White couple murdered by a jogger in a cemetery, he snarks: “But they likely had comorbidities such as hypertension, so no big loss (according to numerous paragons of health).”

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  3g4m
14 days ago

Didn’t see that until you mentioned it. Yes, that’s a dick move on Sailer’s part. He’s starting to crack as readers push back. He’s not used to be made fun of and/or shamed for his lack of analysis.

I’d just like him to acknowledge the damage – both physical and economic – that the lockdown is doing. A lot of lives are being destroyed for unknown gain, which even if true isn’t much.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
14 days ago

Part of the pettiness and drama is that most of those guys are more or less academics, even if they don’t work for a university. Vicious politics due to small stakes kind of thing.

People working in the real world, toward real goals have reality to temper things and to decide whose right.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
14 days ago

Personally experienced fear makes a perceived civilizational crisis personal. I can’t remember who to credit for this, but “frightened and angry people rarely show good judgement.” Clinically detached judgement has to be worked at for the non-sociopath and is much harder to achieve when you are worried about your own suffering and death.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Compsci
14 days ago

Demanding that society self-immolate so that you won’t be exposed to a glorified flu bug is the pinnacle of selfishness.

BoomerRemover
BoomerRemover
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
14 days ago

Boomers gonna Boomer. Me me me me me ….

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
14 days ago

>diabetes and other ailments due to weight gain and lack of activity Oh, it gets worse than that. My cardiac cath lab colleagues are seeing heart attack damage we typically haven’t seen in more than a decade. Here’s the deal. In most places in the US there is fairly rapid access to a heart catheterization, which means “opening up” the clot blocking the coronary artery (or arteries) that is causing the heart attack. Get chest pain, call 911, get ambulanced or helicoptered to hospital, cath lab opens up the blockage, probably puts in a stent. Outcomes are (were) good in… Read more »

The Right Doctor
The Right Doctor
Reply to  Mike_C
14 days ago

Residents at the local hospital rotate through my clinic for training. Last week I talked to the doc who took care of the single patient who has died ‘of coronavirus’ in our county. He said the fellow was 80 years old and had pneumonia. He had had a positive test prior to decompensating at home and gaining admission to the hospital. I asked about sputum culture. Wasn’t done. Respiratory panel? Not necessary. They’ve been told Covid is Covid and not to test further. WTF? Old guys don’t get staph pneumonia anymore? Or any other of dozens of pulmonary pathogens that… Read more »

Dave
Dave
Reply to  thezman
14 days ago

I don’t know any of the leading lights of the DR personally, so I can afford to be revolted by their hysteria, and their doubling down after the curve was obviously flattened weeks ago. Sailer was my first intro to the DR more than 10 years ago, and until 2 months ago I read him everyday. No more. His bed wetting is too much for me to take. It casts a shadow over his brand that won’t fade soon. The same goes for at least a dozen other writers on this side. That kind of unhinged hysteria looks deeply effeminate… Read more »

MikeCLT
MikeCLT
Reply to  thezman
14 days ago

There are a lot of people whose opinions I respect who are/were all in on the lockdowns, like Sailer. I like to think they are focusing solely on the virus and not on the effects of the lockdown. But that doesn’t explain the acceptance of models predicting a 70% infection rate when no virus has ever done that before. I also think Zman is right that we are in for a world of economic pain. On the current course we have had a health crisis, now an economic crisis with 33 million unemployed and we may be on our way… Read more »

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  MikeCLT
14 days ago

“the acceptance of models predicting a 70% infection rate” It doesn’t help that the major Schools of Public Health [1] are hotbeds of progressivism and general anti-whiteness (the code word is “disparity” [2]). I used to be a regular (attendee/presenter) at one of the major epidemiology conferences, but it’s been taken over social justice/representation/disparity types. I know the person under whose watch this was actively engineered (regular straight white guy, as it happens, NOT “your fellow white person”) and he’s a very decent guy with good intentions, but boy it’s been a disaster. Taking a class (now on-line) from a… Read more »

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Mike_C
14 days ago

Appreciate your knowledge, experience, and humor

Lawdog
Lawdog
Reply to  Mike_C
14 days ago

Does the rule of thumb apply to edged weapons?

JuliaChild
JuliaChild
Reply to  Lawdog
14 days ago

In my kitchen, sadly, the rule of thumb applies. Punctures, lacerations, thumb tips sliced off (they grow back) ….

miforest
miforest
Reply to  Mike_C
14 days ago

thanks for the information!

tashtego
Member
Reply to  MikeCLT
14 days ago

Yes, I have been genuinely bewildered by the embrace of outlandish predictions by commentators whose opinions I had valued up to this time. I guess it’s a reminder to have some humility about one’s own powers with regard to putting reason ahead of emotion.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  thezman
14 days ago

There’s a difference between being duplicitous and simply mistaken. So Greg is mistaken—perhaps—we shall see when the numbers roll in and a fair accounting can be had. However, regardless of which of the two one is guilty of, their credibility will be reduced and those people can not longer claim leadership of the movement, because they have been shown to be wrong at the critical junctions.

greyenlightenment
Reply to  thezman
14 days ago

maybe they also think they are at an elevated risk of dying . they have a dog in this fight

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Jack Dobson
14 days ago

If only Greg had a good woman around to steer him right….oh wait…

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Jack Dobson
14 days ago

Greg…Johnson? Sure you’re not talking Greg Cochran? Cochran’s certainly been doom and gloom about the Covid situation.

Chad Hayden
Chad Hayden
Reply to  Forever Templar
14 days ago

FT, meme is referring to Greg Johnson’s supposed homosexuality

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
Reply to  Jack Dobson
14 days ago

The reaction to Covid is the perfect example of late stage civilizational collapse characterized by fragmented identities that form and reform as politics rationalizes new interpretations of the latest fad. This distorts every event because a whole list of barely related beliefs get glued together as critical to each particular identity. The magic of the half-understood and of wishful thinking have a much broader appeal and are thus more useful at keeping the choir in their pews. Reason plays second fiddle to the passion for group identity and cohesion.

miforest
miforest
Reply to  Yves Vannes
14 days ago

yep, the craziest thing about this is it’s not just the west, the whole world has bought into this.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Reply to  Yves Vannes
14 days ago

These days, I’m more worried about the reconsolidation than the collapse. I think that when the economy is totally shot, freedom will become a luxury that most of us lose.

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
Reply to  Lawdog
14 days ago

At that point it’s no longer freedom. It’s a free-for-all. USGov can handle a few flareups but I doubt if it can handle a few hundred.

I think you’re right about the reconsolidation. When the quarantine gets lifted spirits will be lifted but for how long? All of the long-term problem we’ve added to what was already ClownWorld will steadily grind away making people more and more angry and desperate. All of the people in the best position to play pied piper are the worst sorts.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Reply to  Yves Vannes
14 days ago

Are you a regrouper or a remainer?

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
Reply to  Lawdog
14 days ago

I’m both. Recently escaped from a 30% white part of California and returned to a 97% white part of New England so I’ll remain.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Jack Dobson
14 days ago

I know libertarians who are approving of the lockdowns. So much for their principles.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  Hun
14 days ago

Oh they can pretzel the NAP to meaning whatever floats their boat today. Really, living at all is a violation of the NAP. “You waved your arms in California and caused bad weather in Florida, You have violated the NAP and must be punsihed!”

BerndV
Member
Reply to  Jack Dobson
14 days ago

The immunity to facts and common sense among most of the intellectual class is a source of never ending incredulity. The “experts” are now acknowledging the reality that there may never be a vaccine and that Cv19 may become a permanent feature of modern life. Will that leave Johnson, Sailer, and Cochran arguing for a permanent lockdown of society? Frankly, I have come to despise the word “safe” and the corollary phrase “saving lives”.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Reply to  BerndV
14 days ago

Yeah, I have a feeling they’re never letting go of this. If that happens, what then?

greyenlightenment
Reply to  Jack Dobson
14 days ago

because his IQ is high, a lot of other smart people are inclined to believe him. If it not for being so smart, may of the same smart people supporting him would be more skeptical or dismissive, but because he is so smart, many are willing to go along. If Greg is correct that herd immunity is far away, then why not reopen in order to hasten the immunity rather than drag it out for a year and inconvenience healthy people?

Vegetius
Vegetius
14 days ago

A lot of people seem to think that the lockdown gives them an excuse to do what they would be doing anyway.

Let’s no kid ourselves: a lot of people pushing crimethink memes spend their lives sitting stoned at a keyboard in their underwear, covered in Cheeto dust, and masturbating to porn between posting sessions.

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Vegetius
14 days ago

The TV propaganda is reinforcing that they are doing the right thing too. Globohomo is running ads telling them how brave they are for staying home, stuffing their faces with takeout and delivery food, buying junk and staring at screens.

miforest
miforest
Reply to  Vegetius
14 days ago

rachael Maddow?!? is that you????

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
14 days ago

If Paul Ramsey is in favor of something, these people will oppose it without giving it much thought. They better hope he does not do a video opposing suicide anytime soon.

This strikes me as relevant to yesterday’s comments section…

Severian
14 days ago

There it is. I know Trump supporters who want to continue the lockdown. Trump opponents, though, are monolithic. In both cases, the “continue the lockdown” people are just LARPing. They get to shout about what heroes they are for enduring minor inconveniences, with no thought for what happens when those minor ones become major. It’s disgusting. I mean that literally – Karens of both sexes and all 52 genders are actually growing moist over this.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Severian
14 days ago

As Z pointed out, eventually the bill will come due. The LARPing virtue signalers are in for a hard lesson in reality.

David_Wright
Member
Reply to  Jack Dobson
14 days ago

Unfortunately we get the bill too.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  David_Wright
14 days ago

We won’t be surprised by it, though.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Jack Dobson
14 days ago

But it will still hurt.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  David_Wright
14 days ago

As if just having to live with these people under normal circumstances isn’t a big enough toll.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Screwtape
14 days ago

Secession is the solution.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
14 days ago

This is OUR land. No secession. Decession. They get to go somewhere else or straight to hell. I’m reminded of the slogan the Algerians used for the French in their 1950’s war “The suitcase or the coffin.” If you don’t have your own land with the control nodes of governance (coinage, courts, education, etc) in the hands of your own people, you get destroyed. The age of the stupidly nice white people is over. Either we lose the nice or we stupidly vanish to the derisive laughter of our murderers. A Savage War of Peace, Alistair Horne https://www.amazon.com/Savage-War-Peace-1954-1962-Classics/dp/1590172183

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Horace
13 days ago

You don’t secede nicely. That is not an option. You secede on pain of mass violence and warfare. Secession without a credible threat of violence is a non-starter.

Mark Taylor
Mark Taylor
Reply to  David_Wright
14 days ago

A lot of the ones I know are government employees or senior citizens on pensions. The lockdown didn’t affect their paycheck. For the government employees, they just got to stay home for a paid vacation.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Mark Taylor
14 days ago

I’ve got a private sector job and am now working from home, which I much prefer to working in my office. But even I fervently desire this fog of madness to lift.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  David_Wright
14 days ago

The idiocy is individuated; the pain will be socialized.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Jack Dobson
14 days ago

How long can this weird, suspended reality continue?

TBH, I would have thought reality would already have hit by now.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  MemeWarVet
14 days ago

After the crash of 2008 and all the quantitative easing, I thought the economy would implode around 2010 and instead we got the longest stock market bull run in history, which I mostly missed out on. It turns out that if you are the world’s superpower you can operate with economic impunity.

It is impressive how long they’ve kept the wheels on the wagon. But you can’t defy reality forever.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  LineInTheSand
14 days ago

I’ve been asking myself if maybe they can just print money forever without consequence…

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  MemeWarVet
14 days ago

They can so long as we have the biggest military and one of the most productive work forces. TRS goes on and on about MMT and money printer going “bbrrrr” indefinitely, but this can only continue so long as the above two factors hold.

miforest
miforest
Reply to  Jack Dobson
14 days ago

you bet it will, jack. the butchers bill will be unprecedented in Africa, Pakistan,Bangladesh, India, and other places where economic destruction will lead to enormous death and suffering. plenty of powerless people will pay a ghastly price for Bill gate minions larping, and our political class going along with it.

Alzaebo
Reply to  miforest
14 days ago

“the butchers bill”
They finally got something right.

james wilson WebSite URL Mpg2J wpdiscuz_captcharef
james wilson WebSite URL Mpg2J wpdiscuz_captcharef
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Reply to  Jack Dobson
14 days ago

No. The way it works is, they never get the lesson, they give the lesson. If they were capable of getting, no, taking a lesson, they would never have dug this hole in the first place. They will image other lessons from this, but not that one, then they will inflict those lessons just as they have this one.
The disease of democratic equality–“our democracy”. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead. That is the real virus.

Trojan House
Trojan House
Reply to  Severian
14 days ago

You mean 96 genders.

pjRTJFirewire7
pjRTJFirewire7
Reply to  Trojan House
14 days ago

101 – unless you wanna be a hater.

Nunnya Bidnez, jr
Nunnya Bidnez, jr
Reply to  Trojan House
14 days ago

Doesn’t Heinz sell 57 genders?
Baskin Robbins has 38 genders?

Severian
Reply to  Nunnya Bidnez, jr
14 days ago

There are exactly 57 genders, people. I identify as a disabled trans Latinx toaster-sexual, so kneel before my absolute moral authoritah!!!

james wilson WebSite URL Mpg2J wpdiscuz_captcharef
james wilson WebSite URL Mpg2J wpdiscuz_captcharef
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Reply to  Severian
14 days ago

I think you are confusing 57 genders with the 57 states, not including Puerto Rico.

Chester White
Reply to  Severian
14 days ago

I’m a transgendered lesbian. I look like a guy and like chicks.

Reynard
Reynard
Member
14 days ago

Here in Wisconsin our supreme court just blocked the governor’s stay at home order, about 10 days before it was supposed to end. Its extremely frustrating to watch everyone throw up their arms and complain about being let out of the cage. It doesn’t help that our governor described the court decision in these melodramatic terms: “Republican Legislatures have convinced our Supreme Court Justices to throw our state into chaos!” Honestly, I think Millennials and Xers are the most hysterical– at least they seem to be enjoying the whole thing. Just one look on our state’s Reddit page is enough… Read more »

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Reynard
14 days ago

The lefties exist almost entirely in the feverish jungle of their hindbrains. Fight or flight, constantly arcing across the forebrain just long enough to stitch together rhetoric to rationalize the primacy of their emotional state. Offended or terrified, their feelings become reality. Their fear is assuaged only by the collective reinforcement of its validity, so their anxiety quickly moves to codify it as moral righteousness. This conversion of their emotions as an instrument of power is cathartic, but this just feeds it back into that lizard as fear that someone is threatening the sanctity of their feelings. The self-licking ice… Read more »

ConservativeFred
ConservativeFred
Reply to  Screwtape
14 days ago

Gen X er visiting Northern Wisconsin at the moment, and loving the fact we get to act “normal,” minus the few people looking like bank robbers from an old cowboy movie. Shook hands with the owner of the bait, tackle, jerky and firearms store yesterday. He was in great spirits.

The other item to note is that most bugmen live in Wisconsin’s few urban areas in Milwaukee or Madison and generate most of the on-line noise. Step outside those areas and it is a different world.

Reynard
Reynard
Member
Reply to  ConservativeFred
14 days ago

Fred, Last year we were planning to move “up north” but circumstances have kept me in a satellite suburb near one of the areas you mentioned, for at least a couple more years.
Where I am, not much has changed at all. Bars, restaurants, shops, theaters are still closed.
Enjoy your time up there man, I’m jealous! I have a vacation planned up north this fall– hopefully we won’t see another quarantine by then! Honestly, who knows at this point…

Reynard
Reynard
Member
Reply to  Screwtape
14 days ago

Screw, great post man, pure poetry! WRT “righteous sacrifice”, I’ve noticed that sanctimony is the motivation behind the “opinions” of liberals, especially the affluent liberal type. (As long as they have nothing to fear from the topic perhaps.) They don’t filter their opinions through a system of logical analysis or rational critique, but balance it on the scales of self-sanctimony– what will make them feel/appear more virtuous and morally superior? Rationality, ACTUAL sympathetic emotion (compassion) toward the subject, Reality in general– none of this factors into their opinions in the slightest. Watching their opinions evolve on the topic of Covid19… Read more »

Reynard
Reynard
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Reply to  Reynard
14 days ago

In regards to COVID19, I don’t think their opinions or actions are even fear based. Their contentment throughout this whole thing is either motivated by the benefit of gibs or leisure (freedom from cubicle), or an outward display of their sanctimony. Those masks they wear, at root, are nothing but badges of accomplishment. “Look at how concerned I am! I am saving the lives of so many grandma’s!”
I think GymBros too especially like to show off their masks as a way to reveal how “prepared they are” and to show how “their body is their temple.”

miforest
miforest
Reply to  Reynard
14 days ago

ren , it is not an exaggeration that the libs I know believe the is “the Andromeda strain” . I know people who have not left their home for 7 weeks.

Reynard
Reynard
Member
Reply to  miforest
14 days ago

Damn, that’s incredible. How could we become so unimaginably effeminate as a society?

Alzaebo
Reply to  Reynard
14 days ago

The NYT’s staff transsexual, “Jennifer” Boylan, offers mental health tips

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Reynard
14 days ago

As with all of our social pathologies, feminization of the West has been occurring for the past half century. It is only now, however, that these pathologies are reaching unsustainable levels. The bill on Cult Marx is falling due.

Mark Taylor
Mark Taylor
Reply to  Reynard
14 days ago

A lot of people operate that way. It’s a lesson we should learn on our side. Framing in terms of compassion works. For instance the facts are for every white guy that kills a black, there’s two blacks that kill whites. The left knows this so rather than use statistics they amplify individual cases. We should amplify and appeal to emotion and compassion with these cases. Instead we’re always on defense.

Reynard
Reynard
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Reply to  Mark Taylor
14 days ago

I agree Mark! I’m tired of always having to start on the backfoot. The Right is always reactionary. We are always caught off guard. Especially as dissidents, we are going to have to use the dark magic of the enemy at some point. You can pride yourself on following the rules of a good ole fashion fist-fight, but at the end of the day, you’ll be dead when nobody else follows the rules, and brings knives and guns. I think it may take time, but eventually the goal should be to appeal to a sense of honor, not sympathy. Frame… Read more »

Alzaebo
Reply to  Mark Taylor
14 days ago

“Framing in terms of compassion works. For instance the facts are for every white guy that kills a black, there’s two blacks that kill whites.”

A-number-1.
I don’t see any way for them to defeat that kind of reframing- even to themselves.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
14 days ago

Here’s a handy primer on inter-racial crime.
https://www.dailywire.com/news/7-statistics-you-need-know-about-black-black-crime-aaron-bandler

And good links there into Heather MacDonald’s excellent work.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Screwtape
14 days ago

The other part of this phenomenon is that they are convinced that if the lockdown is let up, all those evil people are going to run out and infect everyone. In the real world, as things open up, most people are still distancing, wearing masks, and generally being as reasonably considerate of others, in public, as they can. The scairdy-cats are also free to keep hiding under their beds while the rest of us get on with life. But, no, if they feel the need to hide under their beds, then the rest of us must be forced to do… Read more »

Reynard
Reynard
Member
Reply to  Dutch
14 days ago

Do you think this level of social shaming would be possible without social-media? And in your opinion do you think their authortarian “concerns” about quarentine-breakers are authentic and fear based? I think for most of the liberals its inauthentic social signaling/sanctimony more than fear or concern. Its just another way for them to claim moral and intellectual superiority over a large swathe of the population. I dread the inevitable (BS) articles which will claim that covid cases SKY ROCKETED for my state after the quarantine was lifted a full 10 DAYS EARLY! Karens and Cucks will run to their social… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Reynard
14 days ago

Renard (if indeed your question is directed to me), I think social media amplifies all of it. What I find fascinating is the insinuation and assumption, buried in that attitude, that we who choose to emerge from the lockdown are evil, selfish fever-spreaders that hate other people and wish them dead. Those seeing daylight are almost universally careful and considerate of others, as to distancing, washing hands, etc., in my experience.

Reynard
Reynard
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Reply to  Dutch
14 days ago

I agree Dutch (it was indended for you). The Left seems to always “see more devils than a vast hell can hold” and is always willing to slander and destroy in the name of “compassion” and “justice.” It wouldn’t be so bad if their opinions didn’t nearly always contradict the truth. And if they didn’t project all their vitriol on the innocent. (how many times do they champion the thug and not the victim ala Jogger, Treyvon etc.) My sister-in-law is such a person. She is a self-titled “progressive” and likes to think of herself as a compassionate person. That’s… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Dutch
14 days ago

Unfortunately there has been a sea change in our culture over the generations since we were young. As Z-man pointed out, our organizing principle as a society today is “fear”, but there is also a pernicious assumption that one is *obligated* to self sacrifice for the greater good. So we have “mask people” requiring that we not just stay home, but go through “superstitious behaviors” to avoid infection and therefore the spread of such disease to themselves. Just the other day, our Congress critter was on the radio for his weekly call in. He is a decent and knowledgeable person—actually… Read more »

Reynard
Reynard
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Reply to  Compsci
14 days ago

I think Fauci even stated back in Feb or March that masks aren’t effective at all. He claimed masks were more psychological than anything, a way to soothe anxiety.
Thanks for being our baby-sitter, Doc!

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Compsci
13 days ago

Exactly. The tyranny of the few meets the tyranny of muh feelings. The fact that we are modifying the behavior of an entire people based on how a minority of people might feel is absurd. But thats just the superficial perspective. The sinister thing is that this would not be happening unless it also served a greater purpose that was accretive to the objectives of the cloud. How often does seemingly trivial lead to lasting changes that are far from trivial and always result in restrictions on liberty and dissenting thought? They use our goodwill to push for one little… Read more »

Alzaebo
Reply to  Screwtape
14 days ago

Twitter: (retweeted at @happyhectares)

“The specialty of the Left is to upend societies in response to problems that can never have a solution, e.g. “systemic racism”.

Never, though, have they found one as breathtakingly acute and unconquerable as the Wuhan Red Death. It is the Ring of Power.”

Reynard
Reynard
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
14 days ago

Good point, its “the invisible enemy” after all…

rich
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
14 days ago

Just wait until they go full court press on “climate change”, complete with all new rules to “save us”. The models will be as faulty as those for Covid, but the governments and media will whip most into a frenzy of fear and a need to do something. The Wuhan flu is a good test bed for them to see how hard they can push. I noticed that Greta is now also being made a Covid fear activist to supplement her climate queen credentials. Looks like she’s being groomed for an official political future when she’s old enough. (She’s already… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
14 days ago

The new normal is the new fascism.

Dave
Dave
Reply to  Reynard
14 days ago

Even Elon Musk, of all people, recently said that a huge number of Americans really wanted to panic about something.
That’s how empty the interior life of at least half the population is.
A media driven panic actually brought some substance to their lives for the first time in years.
Unreal.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Dave
14 days ago

Elon Musk seems like a crazy person, but he sure knows how to stir the pot. Love his word games, “The Boring Company” (tunnels), and “Space-X” (“space-sex”).

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Dutch
14 days ago

Elon’s been so based on the WuFlu I may have to consider picking up a Tesla.

Supposedly the Space X engineering teams have the same demographics NASA had in the 50s and 60s

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
14 days ago

SpaceX is awesome! The in-flight camera work, and landing those boosters on the barges, the videos are pure space porn.

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
14 days ago

I’ve said it before, but as far as I’m concerned, he can get away with just about anything as long as he keeps upping the ante with his space program. He’s done more for space travel and exploration than NASA has in the last 40 years.

bilejones
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Reply to  Dutch
13 days ago

I listen to last weeks Musk on the Joe Rogan Show.
They both came across as saner than I had previously given them credit for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcYjXbSJBN8

David_Wright
Member
Reply to  Dave
14 days ago

Well the Walking Dead was getting tiresome.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Dave
14 days ago

Hey, Armageddon only happens once. To die during the extinction of the human race makes one special, at least by the lights of their faulty psyches.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Dave
14 days ago

A fear of agonizing death being used to cancel out the fear of a meaningless life? Damn Dave, who’d have thought Musk such an existentialist. 😉

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Reynard
14 days ago

Well, this Xer has no love for the lockdown and its proponents.

If want to ascend to another level of mental pain, go check out the WuFlu subreddits and all the invective directed at the re-opening process and the people in those locations.

Reynard
Reynard
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
14 days ago

Haha thanks man, I don’t know if I can stomach it. Its so painful to see people so wrong, weak and selfish be so opinionated and self-righteous.
BUTTTTT inevitably boredom and morbid curiosity will get the better of me, and I will check it out in a few hours I’m sure.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
14 days ago

Reddit is a good source for getting a feel for the newer generations. Unfortunately, it is truly depressing. They (at least the Reddit groupies) will never fill the shoes of their predecessor generations. Yes, it’s a wide brush and I hope a I’m wrong.

John Smith
John Smith
Member
14 days ago

“They are still sure he is secretly plotting with Boris and Natasha to “undermine our democracy!”
——————————————

Worst. Cartoon. EVER!!!

I do not want to see any further references to those poxy cartoon characters, or Rocky or Bullwinkle. Who are those other f*cks? Captain Peachfuzz? Dudley Dooright? Roger Ramjet?

I see no reason, Z, to expose the younger fellas to this cultural rot that began so long ago.

I will tolerate no dissention on this issue.

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
Reply to  John Smith
14 days ago

To attack Bullwinkle is TREASON of the worst sort.

Clearly a devotee of Fearless Leader is polluting the comments here, probably from a hacking unit in Russia.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
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I cannot believe the lack of up-votes for my scholarly comment, and the support for yours, VXXC.

I see I shall have to send a strongly worded letter of complaint to the management!!!

Alzaebo
Reply to  Glenfilthie
14 days ago

The management is Mr. Peabody and Touche’ Turtle.

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  John Smith
14 days ago

Captain Peachfuzz and Roger Ramjet sound like good noms de pr0n for the homo set.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Mike_C
14 days ago

“Roger Ramjet will be back after this message from Hostess Twinkies!”

Maus
Maus
Reply to  John Smith
14 days ago

A Cannuck who doesn’t like Dudley Do-right of the RMCP? Why, you sir must be that dastardly Snively Whiplash. Moose and squirrel are great; Cmdr. McBragg even greater; and Mr. Peabody the greatest. Ah, the Saturday mornings of my youth were glorious in no small part thanks to these paragons of cartoon animation.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Maus
14 days ago

Oh gawd… Mr. Peabody and Sherman!!!!

I think my childhood PTSD is coming back… can anyone spare some Ritalin…?

Alzaebo
Reply to  Glenfilthie
14 days ago

“Penelope, Penelope, the face that stopped a thousand trains.”

True story. My first romantic dream was the Sunbeam Bread girl. We went to see her grampa at the ice cream shoppe.

I was 3. I was in love.

Then, I grew into a young man of 10…
and discovered that QT tan.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
14 days ago

Dagnab it! Coppertone Tan!!

Ruined.
Gotta stop doing this while asleep

Bill_Mullins
Member
14 days ago

Perp walk for the chief criminal the “president” who wants to be a dictator. Constitution? Bill of Rights? He doesn’t know or care about them. Yet he gets undying support as he violates it and the laws of the land every day while this false flag about Obama fits just for his course as he gets a twice confessed criminal out and one who is legally supposed to get out cannot now do so for “unknown reasons. Such a man you can trust? NOT. This was posted over at Chris Muir’s “Day By Day” web comic by some troll styling… Read more »

Name*
Name*
14 days ago

The Z Man wrote,

“…playing along with the virus charade…”

…and…

“…keep the pandemic charade going…”

Warms my heart to read this, Zman.

I’ve mostly stopped reading you because you’re so quaintly “anti-conspiracy theory”…. when the fact is, many “conspiracy theories” are conspiracy facts. Until you embrace that you’re missing the side of the barn, but these are encouraging steps in the right direction.

Dave
Dave
Reply to  Name*
14 days ago

Criminal conspiracies are a judicial reality, and people are convicted and sentenced for participation in conspiracies in courts every day.
That being said, some of the larger conspiracies many are familiar with have an enormous amount of solid evidence…and some don’t.
It’s important to make a distinction, and many people can’t or won’t.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Name*
14 days ago

The old nickel goes that you never ascribe to malice that which can be explained by stupidity. Our esteemed blog host has done an excellent job of how phenomenon of this mass stupidity broke out, and how it propagates. Doubtless he is correct in much of it. But I see your side too: there are far, far too many people falling for this that shouldn’t be. I’ve started studying stupidity and generally there seems to be two types: the low IQ variety you see in .vibrants like Maxine Waters … and a mulish stubborn stupidity like that you see from… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Glenfilthie
14 days ago

John Smith, the best explanation I have seen (Richard Fernandez, perhaps?) is that politics makes people stubborn in their taking of positions, rather than flexible. Note that Trump, fundamentally a non-politician, zigs and zags as circumstances and new information dictate. Pols usually double down on where they have already positioned themselves, no matter the new information, or swing from one extreme to the other when they do change, along with the historical airbrushing that accompanies the change. Everything is political now, and the real world demands flexibility as we go from an information void on C19 to sketchy and incomplete… Read more »

james wilson WebSite URL Mpg2J wpdiscuz_captcharef
james wilson WebSite URL Mpg2J wpdiscuz_captcharef
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Reply to  Name*
14 days ago

Conspiracy theories are catnip to individuals who know too well they have no agency and small stake in controlling their own lives. They believe themselves now holding with a power to see what others cannot see. In truth, the most successful conspiracies are those hidden in plain sight. USG, “journalism”, MSM, academia form an obvious conspiracy to direct the minds of people, but people embrace the grift not because it can’t be understood but rather they want to be seen with the strong horse and not be trampled by one. Our rulers understand democracy. They embrace the conpiracy nutiness–like the… Read more »

bilejones
Member

Ah, how naive. “–like the magic negro being born in Kenya–” The original claim was that the magic negro was a Kenyan. The libshits immediately leaped upon this and created the “Birther conspiracy theory”. The magic negro wrote a book about his father (or had it written) which dwelt at some length about his hatred for the British because of what they had done in his beloved native Kenya.. Barry had spent lots of ink proclaiming that his putative father was Kenyan., I thought there was an interesting disconnect tucked away in this meme and looked up the Kenyan Constitution… Read more »

joey junger
joey junger
14 days ago

Everyone has their pet theories. Here’s mine: You know how when a child tries everything he can to get his parent to buy him that toy or that tooth-rotting candy, and the parents keep refusing? Finally the child does the dying swan, just goes limp and forces the parent to drag their dead weight through the grocery store. I think this is what’s happening with progressives. Sure, ostensibly they’re sheltering in place, but like that one overly-dramatic loony woman at a town hall who forces the cops to carry her out, I think they’ve gone limp in the arms of… Read more »

Bill_Mullins
Member
Reply to  joey junger
14 days ago

Whyever would they have to “put down the Zinfandel” to “pick up the pink hats again”? I don’t see the two as being in any wise mutually incompatible.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Bill_Mullins
14 days ago

A sure sign of a Karen is shit-tier taste in wine

Alzaebo
Reply to  MemeWarVet
14 days ago

A bartender on judging women by their drinks:

Beer: down to earth, likes hunting and cars
Wine: trying
Long Island ice tea: suburban
Whiskey: man-eater
A complicated mixed drink like daquiris and margueritas: picky pain in the a**

joey junger
joey junger
Reply to  Bill_Mullins
14 days ago

Well, if they protest in public in their pink pussy hats they can’t have a box of wine with them(there are open container laws).

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  joey junger
14 days ago

Don’t knock Zinfandel. (Unless you mean that shitty pink stuff.) Proper (red) Zin is a right treat. Ravenswood Old Hill, Dickerson, Belloni; Rosenblum Samsel “Maggie’s Reserve”; pretty much anything from Mike Dashe; Ridge Lytton Springs, Geyserville, Buchignani. All Californian, of course. But Peter Rosback actually makes a good Oregon zin.

I know, I’m missing the point. But the above are really nice wines.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Mike_C
14 days ago

I enjoy a good Zin, but there’s a lot of cheap trash out there.

Merlot on the other hand? Well if you’ve seen “Sideways” you know the truth about it.

I’m partial to a quality Petite Syrah myself

Alzaebo
Reply to  Mike_C
14 days ago

I don’t have the alcohol gene, but since the view on three sides is grapevines and orchards, here’s an upvote from Central Valley CA. (Home of Gallo, Ripple, and Thunderbird.)

joey junger
joey junger
Reply to  Alzaebo
14 days ago

I used to work in a very rough ghetto so I saw it all, the MD 20/20, the fortified wines, etc. But I never saw the ripple that Red Foxx used to mention on Sanford & Son. Also I never saw someone doing the Bukowski thing of drinking canned heat/Sterno. If you even break the seal on a bottle of Saint Ides you’re fifty percent more likely to die in a drive-by. Colt 45 is more of a “break a pool cue over someone’s head” drink: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTB6pE7pnOQ

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Mike_C
14 days ago

Amen. I open a bottle of zin with every steak I grill. And I grill quite a few…

Jr52
Jr52
14 days ago

it seems to me we are heading toward deflation despite unlimited fed printing… very little of the fed printing is ending up in the hands of the masses (who are losing jobs left and right) and those that have jobs are going to hoard their money & pay down debt instead of spending it, leading to further job losses which will increase fear and make the cycle spiral. It will be worse than the Great Depression. If this is accurate, I assume it will be BEARISH for gold and bitcoin and the dollar will get MUCH STRONGER.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Jr52
14 days ago

Hard to say. Remember, the Fed exchanges one form of currency/debt (dollars) for financial assets which are often currency/debt (bonds), so it doesn’t necessarily need to be inflationary. Now, if the Fed starts buying Treasury bonds directly to finance the deficit, that’s a different story. But there are so many factor (velocity of money, pace of debt destruction, other central banks, etc.), it’s hard to know what’s going to happen. Best to spread your bets. Own some treasury bonds, stocks via index funds, gold, real estate if you can. Making one big bet can be great or catastrophic. Best to… Read more »

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Jr52
14 days ago

I don’t think embracing crass consumerism more than we already have is going to fix it, bro.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  thezman
14 days ago

Apologies, I’m almost brain dead from trying to bring physical stores back into operation and employees back up to speed after a month of near inactivity. Where was the false dichotomy in my comment?

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
Reply to  Forever Templar
14 days ago

Not putting all of your eggs in one basket isn’t consumerism, it’s an attempt to ride out the coming storm.

theRussians
theRussians
Member
14 days ago

Z, your hair sounded just fine…

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
14 days ago

I think that I’m going to send Alaska Chaga as a birthday/Christmas gift to my most woke friends and family. They’ll love it because it’s from Alaska and natural. I’ll just smile.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
14 days ago

Way ahead of you. But I’ve used that one for “friends of ours”. Alaska Chaga is more of a Trojan Horse.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  thezman
14 days ago

If anyone wants to make it a full care package, I’ll throw in some “Darkie” toothpaste.

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  KGB
14 days ago

>“Darkie” toothpaste Hahaha! I should have a few tubes of that squirreled away somewhere. Before they went soft and became “Darlie”. Darkie toothpaste and a pile of offensive T-shirts (e.g. two stick figures, like the ones on pedestrian crossing signs, engaged in anal sex, with a red circle/slash over them, and the caption “Stop AIDS!”) plus illiterate copyright violation T-shirts (Playboy bunny logo with the word “PLAVBOY”, Adidas logo with the letters ABIBAS, etc) were some highlights of my first trip to Asia. Loaded up the suitcase with the damn things. I spent the return flight praying I didn’t get… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
14 days ago

It’s only the Karens (both male and female) who aren’t getting hurt by this, i.e. their husbands won’t lose their jobs, that are acting insane. For them, it is a game.

You can bet if Karen’s husband starts talking about losing his job and that they might need to move the family to a cheaper neighborhood, she’ll change her tune on a dime.

Daniel
Daniel
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
14 days ago

Is Karen left wing or right wing? The meme on Reddit is that Karen is the woman demanding that we reopen. The selfish “science denier” that want to go to the salon. But you comment paints Karen as the woman who is demanding that we stay at home. I think it is a dumb meme, especially if both left and right start calling all women Karens whenever they disagree with them.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Daniel
14 days ago

I didn’t know that Karen was a left wing meme as well. This suggests that left and right can bond over their dislike of bitchy women.

However, I see value in Karen’s energy and concern and I hope that we can harness it someday. I think bad moustache guy was adored by most of the ladies.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Daniel
14 days ago

I think that there’s an acronym – AWFLS, maybe – that’s a better fit. (Affluent White Female Liberal Suburban.)

AWFLS typically are very liberal in their politics but very conservative and demanding in what matters to then. An AWFLS will spout off about how racism is terrible and how Trump is evil, but then will live in a white neighborhood. It’s not inconsistent at all for an AWFLS to push for the lock down while demanding their her favorite hair saloon be allowed to reopen.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
14 days ago

The Left is far more female-dominated than us; anything that aims at the gynocracy helps

Alzaebo
Reply to  MemeWarVet
14 days ago

I can prove that the DR doesn’t get wimmin.

Remember Bezo’s cougar girlfriend?
Not a doubt in my mind that Bezo’s wife set her up with him, and fed her her lines.
They were in on it together.

Irishfarmer
Irishfarmer
14 days ago

I also noticed the similar themes among believer normies: over socialized, progressive and drunk on kool aid of liberalism, and/or neurotic. The most vocal are almost always women with some sort of psychological problem (or as we call them: women, amiright?) Its kind if like living in a dream. There are people who are seriously convinced there is a earth shattering threat out there just because their glowing screens told them so. Walking through the grocery store ive had people literally juke out of my way out of fear its surreal. It makes me pretty cynical because at some point… Read more »

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Irishfarmer
14 days ago

What struck me, as I was standing on my masking tape “x” on the sidewalk, waiting my turn to be granted entrance rights to Ace hardware by a Mexican in a mask, was that all hysterics aside, “we” are quite capable of installing measures to restrict movement, track people, ostracize those who defy the rules – no matter how arbitrary, and print infinite manna from the pearly gates of fiat to make it all feel good and run like its always been normal. Yet we can’t have borders or toss out invaders because reasons. In that moment, my cynicism was… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Screwtape
14 days ago

You can see the masks are becoming the gang colors of two groups. Those who don’t wear them – like yours truly – get nasty looks from the masked ones but we’re also giving and getting nods to and from our fellow mask-free folk. I know what they’re thinking and they know what I’m thinking: This is mostly BS, and I’m not going to play along.

Then, there are the embarrassed ones, almost always guys who know this is mostly BS but who wear the masks to avoid the looks.

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
14 days ago

That should tell you all you need to know about that type of guy.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
14 days ago

Yep, mask wearing—or in this case not wearing a mask—is a great way to do your bit in protesting. Whereas I find the “mask people” depressing, I find it somewhat invigorating in not wearing one in the presence of such folk. 😉

3g4m
3g4m
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
14 days ago

Masks have become the latest fashion accessory for women. Less than half are ordinary paper. We have the fashion scarves, the custom made ones, the chic all black . . . And I continue provocatively sniggering at them all. The men infuriate me – even without their Karens, they behave as though obediently leashed.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  3g4m
13 days ago

“Masks have become the latest fashion accessory for women”

More true than you know:

https://www.yahoo.com/gma/designer-launches-trikini-beachwear-design-complete-matching-bikini-152500218–abc-news-topstories.html

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Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
14 days ago

Can affirm unmasked solidarity in the supermarket. This gives me an idea. I’ll have to find an open cotume store and get myself a Lone Ranger or Zorro mask for my shopping.

Irishfarmer
Irishfarmer
Reply to  Screwtape
14 days ago

Its amazing how easy it is to turn all of society over to hysteria. At least when you control the entire media complex. Might explain the hysteria over any sign of dissent, if we were to gain influence that way we could easily sway millions. Even people who hate us would be on full throated support given the right media leverage. Whether or not thats realistic, They seem to think it is. The problem I have with separation is that liberalism, or in this case neo liberalism, cannot tolerate even a sliver of dissent. At least not forever. Things like… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Irishfarmer
14 days ago

Make the separation as invisible to the rest of the world as possible…

Irishfarmer
Irishfarmer
Reply to  Dutch
14 days ago

“Make the separation as invisible to the rest of the world as possible…”

I think we need to be realistic about the system we live under. Any attempt to separate, no matter how quietly, will be blasted in public by the media and then portrayed in the most morally evil light possible. Any plan that doesnt take that into account will be caught flat footed.

Three can keep a secret if two are dead and all of that.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Reply to  Irishfarmer
14 days ago

Separation is our only shot. Organize under other pretenses, perhaps?

For the next few years, the left will be busy picking up the pieces and getting the cities/burbs in line. The earlier we move, the better.

Irishfarmer
Irishfarmer
Reply to  Lawdog
14 days ago

“Separation is our only shot. Organize under other pretenses, perhaps? For the next few years, the left will be busy picking up the pieces and getting the cities/burbs in line. The earlier we move, the better.” This is where the alt right became very disappointing during the virus. The big response to the biggest power grab by politicians since 9/11 was to ask for welfare without questioning what is happening. Ideology is choking the right atm and i dont think we should be interested in bid ideas anymore. Anything short of practical, pragmatic planning and execution for whats coming is… Read more »

Lawdog
Lawdog
Reply to  Irishfarmer
14 days ago

You’re not being disagreeable, Irish. Retreat isn’t final. In fact, I’d argue that a regrouping is necessary for us to even think about further action, whatever that might be (sorry — ain’t got no crystal ball.). The burbs and cities are their worlds; within them, our numbers will continue to dwindle, and those who remain will be increasingly scrutinized. We’re a threat to “public health,” don’t you see. Subvert the moral narrative? How? How the hell can you compete with a bunch of frenzied, social justice neurotics on adderall and lithium? They’re obsessed, we’re not; they win, we lose. Right… Read more »

Lawdog
Lawdog
Reply to  Lawdog
14 days ago

I was thinking about your comment before, Irish, and it occurred to me that the whole “new communities” thing isn’t entirely reactive, at least not in an immediate sense. It’s more of an assertion that working with and especially for militant progs is deleterious to our families and ourselves. Think of all the bitter, liberal women slithering through the public school system. Generally, you don’t want your kids subjected to that. I know because I work in that system. Sure, there are some smart, nonbrainwashed badwhite teachers sprinkled here and there; however, they’re far from a majority. You’ve got teachers… Read more »

Irishfarmer
Irishfarmer
Reply to  Lawdog
14 days ago

Okay i probably misunderstood you. I dont disagree with that generally.

Reminds me of one of the better things the boers have done in s africa: building isolated communities where they have their own jobs, even their own currency. of course, i only found out about this from a documentary that was critical of it, but its a good model of where to start in a harsher environment than we have.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Screwtape
14 days ago

Face burkas are available in a wide variety of styles and colors!

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Irishfarmer
14 days ago

Over-socialized, progressive and drunk is no way to go through life.

TomA
TomA
14 days ago

The great question of the lockdown hysteria is . . . do we muddle through once again or perhaps actually hit a real and hard bottom this time? Will the financial Ponzi pyramid final collapse and the government gravy train derail? Will the whiners finally start starving to death? Will the incipient tyrants (and their jackboot corp) finally start their goosestepping march to supreme control over the untermenchen? Will we finally get a survival-of-the-fittest cleansing? Or is the future more Karens, soyboys, and poseurs?

Lawdog
Lawdog
Reply to  TomA
14 days ago

TPTB have contingency plans for a nation of Karens and soyboys. We don’t. If you’re in the city and you want some semblance of privacy/safety, get out in the next few years. Building a new nation from the earth up is our only shot. Proponents of revolution are kidding themselves, at least in the short term. We’ll get our asses kicked even if we do everything perfectly. We need to regroup, restructure, get a few years and miles between the cities and ourselves. We’re going to need more testosterone, less brainwashing, and cover. Suburban living is antithetical to all of… Read more »

Federalist
Federalist
14 days ago

“…these same people were sure that Trump was going to declare himself dictator.”

I guess they beat Trump to the punch by making governors into dictators.

miforest
miforest
Reply to  Federalist
14 days ago

This

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Federalist
14 days ago

Federalist. Shrewd observation. The out of bounds Gov’s you referred to are supported by the Karen’s. In MI I see they’d even launched counter protests to the “openers” at the capital. It’s been said a lot here that totalitarianism is more likely to come quicker from the Left, than the right. I think you see an example with the present virus prevention efforts.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Federalist
13 days ago

Yes. They have all the authority they need to install misery – but they have the added benefit of a put option on Trump when their policies result in disaster. The multitude of ways feminization echoes through the system really is remarkable.

MikeCLT
MikeCLT
14 days ago

I always assumed you looked like Alaric in the top banner, minus the beard.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
14 days ago

If you want to see some real statistical hocus-pocus, look at the death count of a storm or other natural disaster. Pretty much anyone who dies before during or after the storm/disaster of any cause is just jotted down as a death caused by the storm/disaster.

Lawdog
Lawdog
14 days ago

Yesterday, I got a call from a friend who just got out of rehab. I went to his house to catch up and have a few nonalcoholic drinks. When I got there, I discovered that his dad, who is a renowned attorney, was locked (quarantined) in his room by his younger daughter. With his consent! Daughter works for cloudperson big media. She’s completely taken over her father’s house, and has quarantined each member of the family in different sections. When her father exited his room to talk to me, she began screaming at him for not wearing a mask. She… Read more »

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Lawdog
14 days ago

I would expect a slow recovery for the vacation/hospitality industry. Amusement parks that have scheduled reopening are doing so at reduced capacity. You can take a beach vacation in certain states, but there will be limits to what else you can do. A number of National Parks are still closed, which is insane. The idea that there is significant Wuhan Flu risk while travelling through Glacier or the Grand Tetons is idiotic. A good test is to look online in what are typically popular areas for 4th of July weekend and see hotel availability and prices. Orlando looks mixed, Myrtle… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Lawdog
14 days ago

The daughter is clearly in dire need of lengthy and repeated applications of the typical Victorian cure for female hysteria.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Lawdog
14 days ago

Learn about how various equity price studies work. They will help you understand when to open and close positions in equities and options.

I wasn’t able to generate regular income with options until I taught myself a bit about the more popular price studies.

Alzaebo
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
14 days ago

So where do we start, Wild Geese?
I liked options, but I’m years behind.

I’ll never demand “Link?!” in a cheap argument, but might I ask politely- got a link or two? Thanks.

As C.H. Smith ‘Of Two Minds’ blog says, our future is multiple income streams.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Alzaebo
14 days ago

Alzaebo- Well, if you already have an account at a place like eTrade, Fidelity, or TD Ameritrade you will have access to quite a bit of free online training material. Just bear in mind their overall bias is toward conservative, long-term investing. I use TD and its platforms. I have been happy with them. They offer free paper trading so you can practice your techniques without risking your capital. It is a pretty good simulacrum of real-trading. I also like Investopedia as a good free start point for learning more about options and price studies and the underlying math. Stockcharts.com… Read more »

H I
H I
Reply to  Lawdog
14 days ago

Look into far-out-of-the-money puts, as cheap, as far out of the money and as late as possible. Not a sure thing, but at times like these their models can misprice the likelihood of big moves. The Fed may not be able to prop up this thing, and then you can make 10x your money. Look at it as gambling or insurance with better odds. Chances are you’ll lose whatever you put in, but with a real likelihood of making a multiple that would offset your losses elsewhere.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Reply to  H I
14 days ago

Thanks for the advice, guys. I’ve got a long way to go, apparently.

H I: Yeah, I guess it’s like a lotto for people who aren’t retarded. I don’t expect to lose my money, but these market opportunities might not come again. Got any specific examples?

H I
H I
Reply to  Lawdog
14 days ago

I looked for some specifics and those puts have gotten a lot more expensive, so maybe it’s not such a good idea. I’d just generally start looking at out-of-the-money options and place a couple of bets that you’re willing to lose, as education. In a market-based system I’d buy puts on financial stocks (like REITs or banks) because they’ll be hit hard by second-order effects, but with the Fed intervening they may bail those guys out so I’d be betting against the Fed. Second-order effects means things like the fact that 10% of rents are unpaid right now, at least… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  H I
14 days ago

This is where the price studies become very helpful. Using studies you are comfortable with is a great way to pick the correct point in the price action to buy puts.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Lawdog
14 days ago

Well, it is like gambling in the sense that options are also based on statistics and probabilities.

That said, with a little research, you can give yourself far better odds with options than Vegas will ever give you.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Lawdog
14 days ago

Riskedge.com got me interested again. They focus on disruptors, and they don’t overload you with bullsh*t. You simply need a short watchlist on Yahoo. After that it’s 3 minutes and $500 to open a Scottrade account- and after that it’s two buttons, ‘buy’ or ‘sell’. Paper trade for now. If you can’t decide, go half and half. Small amounts- play it like a game instead of sweating. (Ask Mike Bloomberg. A few charts, move the arrow, a cheap calculator, punch a button- and anybody can have a job.) But I’m noodling, still #1 paying off debt and #2 buying some… Read more »

Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
14 days ago

“Citizen Silly would be the one to ask.
He’s active with some good, simple resources.”

One wish for the Z-blog?
A tips and how-to aggregator section so readers can share short lists, tips, insights without having to open their own blogs.

(Hopefully I’ll be developing such a project next year. Paying off debt is #1, #1, and #1 for now.)

Lawdog
Lawdog
Reply to  Alzaebo
14 days ago

That’s a good idea. Little tips that dissidents would find useful.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Lawdog
13 days ago

You might spend some time reading this guy. https://www.oftwominds.com/blogmay20/main-street5-20.html

I think he’s a bit of an optimist but he covers most of the bases.

This whole thing is much bigger than it seems, in my not so humble opinion, future historians will write of Q1 of C21 as the rolling back of the enlightenment.

miforest
miforest
14 days ago

a family member is the charge nurse at a local hospital. he says the wu flu is very bad if your are old AND have multiple serious co-morbidities. he also confirms that they are classifying having covid when you are hit by a bus is coded death by covid. he can’t watch much news right now because of the ridiculous spin. I also an stunned at the number of people who are in full panic. Another health care worker I know has been doing the shopping for old people in our church who are not internet savy. she leaves the… Read more »

Lawdog
Lawdog
Reply to  miforest
14 days ago

I remember when Trump tried to (very slowly) explain in a press conference that strong, direct sunlight has verified antiviral properties. Media was having none of it. “Ohmygod, like, people might stop panicking! Must pivot narrative now!”

Media then switched to the whole “antiseptic injection” thing to distract viewers from the point of the press conference in the first place. The Asian reporter lady (whom I hate) ran interference. “WELL, if SUNLIGHT and HEAT are bad for the VIRUS, why do we still have outbreaks in hot areas!?!?” What a low IQ/disingenuous question.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Lawdog
14 days ago

It’s amazing to me how the media, with the aid of sainted bureaucrats like Fauci, have been able to largely suppress and roll back the common, decades-old, scientifically proven knowledge that UV light destroys virii because ORANGE MAN BAD.

The fact people have fallen for the media line about UV light shows how scientifically illiterate most people are. Doctors in the Middle Ages probably knew more about science and the scientific method than the average American in the Current Year.

Lawdog
Lawdog
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
14 days ago

I think that coexisting with these people is no longer possible, Howard. This pandemic has accelerated the divergence.

Alzaebo
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
14 days ago

So where are the UV ‘handwashing’ stations, like those shown in the excellent, predictive programming series, “Counterparts”?

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Lawdog
13 days ago

I made my first concession to the WUFlu yesterday. I reversed the usual rotation of my lawn mowing pattern so that I was riding into the sun in the clear and away from it in the shade to take advantage of the sunlight and the free vitamin D boost to my immune system.

Never let it be said that I do not do my share!

Drake
Drake
Reply to  miforest
14 days ago

My local hospital had a guy who fell off a ladder, bashed in his head, and died in the hospital. Tested positive for Covid – so that’s the cause of death. That’s the moment I realized it’s all lies.

Mike_C
Mike_C
14 days ago

Good to see yuh, Pinky.
Are you pondering what I’m pondering?

MikeCLT
MikeCLT
14 days ago

FYI: The opening link doesn’t work. I am assuming it is for the Chaga company.

Raped by Migrants
Raped by Migrants
14 days ago

I can’t believe there was a time I thought we’d “evolved” beyond the hysterias of the past, and that we’re now a supposedly modern science! based people free from superstitions:

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tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Raped by Migrants
14 days ago

That moment when the atheist finds out no scientific utopia is in the cards….

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Raped by Migrants
14 days ago

This is like some dystopian C-movie. Fucking clown world!

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Raped by Migrants
14 days ago

Germans. Always following orders. “Here, put these hats on”. “Well, alright”.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Raped by Migrants
14 days ago

Nice Halloween costumes.

I’ll be going in the traditional all-black plague doctor get up, thanks.

UFO
UFO
Reply to  Raped by Migrants
14 days ago

When the white man discovered north america, he was surprised to see the natives performing strange rituals, sacrifice, and slaughter

Now that the non-whites are coming to our lands, they’re finding us performing strange shaming rituals, wearing noodles on our heads, and killing babies.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Raped by Migrants
14 days ago

Is this picture some sort of joke. Please tell me it’s a joke. Or perhaps a protest of sorts? Please….

Lawdog
Lawdog
Reply to  Hun
14 days ago

Oh-my-fucking-biscuits. This has to be the gayest world in the universe.

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Compsci
14 days ago

Per the NY Post 14MAY2020:

Cafe & Konditorei Rothe in Schwerin celebrated the easing of the country’s coronavirus lockdown by handing out pool noodles for patrons to wear on their heads as a social-distancing enforcement gimmick, Insider reported.

“In these difficult times it’s a pleasure to make others smile,” restaurant owner Jacqueline Rothe said about the stunt.

King Tut
King Tut
Reply to  Raped by Migrants
14 days ago

Technology evolves but people never change. The average modern Westerner has as much mystical junk rolling around in their heads as a whole village full of medieval peasants.

Poodles with Noodles
Poodles with Noodles
Reply to  Raped by Migrants
14 days ago

It looks like there’s no one under 40 in that photo. Germany really is going to be all African and Arab in 10 years, isn’t it? So for the next plague they won’t need noodles – they’ll all have burkas by then.

Raped by Migrants
Raped by Migrants
14 days ago

Here’s the latest “scientific consensus”: did you know breathing and talking spread germs?!
https://www.health24.com/Medical/Infectious-diseases/Coronavirus/breathing-and-talking-contribute-to-coronavirus-spread-study-finds-20200514-2

SCIENCE!

Lawdog
Lawdog
Reply to  Raped by Migrants
14 days ago

I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: blinking morse code at each other to communicate. It’s the logical conclusion, right?

rich
Member