The Naked Eye

Imagine you are kidnapped off the streets and after a period blindfolded isolation transported to a small coastal village. instead of being chased by a balloon-like automaton, you find yourself constantly watched by cameras. You begin to notice that everywhere you go, there is a camera. You even discoverer them in the bathroom and in your sleeping quarters. Further, these cameras are beaming your activities to a large screen in the middle of the village in real-time.

Once you discovered the reality in which you were now living, you would begin to mull over the consequences. For example, escape would no longer be a possibility, as the cameras would be broadcasting your efforts in real-time. You could not try to plot with others in the village, as that would be broadcast to the whole village as well. Of course, things you may do in private, but never in public, would suddenly become public, once you forgot about the camera and did them as usual.

This is a good plot for a sci-fin story, but it is pretty close to reality now for cops in the United States. They don’t have to deal with cameras in the toilet yet, but they are recorded constantly as they go about their jobs. Often, they are recorded without their knowledge, so they now must assume they are always performing in front of an audience that is hostile to them. They get called to handle a misbehaving black and there will be an army of militant millennials holding up cellphones.

It is not just cameras on the street. The use of selective editing, which has become a feature of these hoaxes, means the cops wear body cams. Remember back to the O.J. Simpson trial and the cops had to deal with secret audio recordings of themselves long before Simpson murdered his wife. Mark Furman’s life was ruined by recordings of himself using colorful metaphors in an interview years prior. Cops are fired now for private communications that become public.

One thing these latest batch of riots seem to be revealing is that conventional policing is impossible in the Synopticon. The Panopticon is a situation where the few watch the man, like in a prison or an authoritarian state. The Synopticon is where the many watch the few, like a theater. The crowd watches the actors on the stage. In modern America, we have a combination of both. The state and its technology patterns watch us, while the masses and their cameras watch the police.

Most of the debate about the emerging surveillance state focuses on the state and its private collaborators spying on citizens. So far, we have not had a riot over Apple harvesting your metadata. We have been convulsed by video of cops beating blacks turning up on social media. Just wait until deep fakes make it possible for people to post realistic fake videos of cops abusing blacks. What happens when activists can use technology to identify the cops and that gets posted on-line?

If you are a cop, unless you are a rage-head moron, you have to realize that your range of motion is increasingly restricted. In these riots, the cops have been mostly useless, because there is no way for them to be effective. Even if they are following direct orders to end the violence, they know their bosses will not back them if a video of them getting rough with a hooligan shows up on-line. If a rioter captures one of them using colorful language in a melee with rioters, the cop is fired.

We think of privacy as just the area of our life that is off-limits to the public, but in reality, privacy is a spectrum. There are things that exist only in our head or perhaps with a few people in our lives. Then there are things known to family and close friends. Out further and there are things that are known to the community or maybe the workplace. The most distant belt is where we are supposed to find the things available to anyone interested enough to discover them, like an address or phone number.

Technology is collapsing the normal structure of privacy. There are things that get done in public that should not be broadcast to the world, just as there are things done in private that should not be made public. Those cops who took down the Gentle Giant did not spring from nothing. They were operating in the context of a career dealing with these sorts of people. The bit of the event we see is not the entirety of the event, It is devoid of context that would change how we view it.

This is happening all over. An academic, for example, discussing speech laws at a conference, could be secretly recorded. The recording is then edited to only include his recitation of prohibited words and phrases. All of a sudden, he is being forced into a struggle session by the mob. Alternatively, we have the situation of a jilted lover releasing private information about a public man. Things said in the heat of the moment, assumed to be private, suddenly become public.

There are some inevitable results of this. One is what we see with the cops. They can no longer do their job without personal risk, so they will evolve to avoid any situation where they could be shown in a bad light. We will no doubt see laws passed that ban the filming of rich people and politicians. They will not want to be subjected to what is happening with the cops. We’re already seeing signs in public buildings banning the use of cellphone cameras, Soon, phones will be banned entirely.

The more important change will be the contraction of the public space. On the one hand, those with nothing to lose will feel liberated in the public space. On the other hand, the auxiliary volunteer army of ideological enforcers will be emboldened to go crazy recording and reporting everyone. Those with anything thoughtful or controversial to say will flee the scene entirely. Even private conversation will collapse, as you cannot trust anyone to respect the ancient rules governing privacy.

Another consequence will be the collapse of what remains of trust. If you are a dissident, for example, you will no longer speak with anyone in possession of a mobile phone, even if you know them. In fact, the new tracking laws will mean all dissident will meet without phones. Not only will they fear recording; they must fear tracking, as the tech companies share this data with Antifa now. To voice a controversial idea now means living in a world closer to organized crime than politics.

Even apolitical people will have to assume that even their closest friends will be tempted to fink on them. Think of the “leaked” video of stars or ballplayers at private events or in private phone calls. These are all leaked by people close to the subject, so everyone now must distrust even their closest friends. The Synopticon will accelerate us into the no-trust society. The only place trust will exist is in secret societies that enforce their codes of silence the old-fashioned way.

In a world of a million leering eyeballs following your every move, lots of necessary things will simply stop happening. They will have to retreat to the world of intimate thought, but even there, coded to make it impossible to publicize. Outside, in the outer rings of the public-private spectrum, life will become simultaneously more intolerant and more vulgar. It will be a riot of uninhibited vulgarians and reckless scolds, where no useful work necessary for society can be done.

It remains to be seen if such a world can function. The riots suggest there is a point where the machine just stops. On the other hand, within living memory, people thought the current state was beyond the pale. Maybe people in the Synopticon will quickly evolve to become the uninhibited vulgarian or the reckless scold. Or maybe as we see in these cities, we stagger from one crisis to the next until finally the people are exhausted. We collapse while livestreaming it to the world.


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Whitney
Member
4 months ago

Something will come out of the other side but this is definitely civilizational collapse. The civilization is the civilization of Western man and that’s the reason it’s happening wherever Western man is. I think this is some sort of cyclical happening that can’t be avoided though the method of the downfall can be different from civilization to civilization. The question for me is will the downfall of the West take the rest of the globe with it? How interconnected are we?

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Whitney
4 months ago

At the moment, we are very connected. And that is part of the problem. We need to become semi-independent so that a failure in one part of our civilization will not be fatal to the rest. I like to think that the examples we see in places like Minneapolis and Stockholm will serve as warnings to other areas of our civilization.

Whitney
Member
Reply to  Epaminondas
4 months ago

I got to admit I’m hoping for the opposite. The West is falling. That means someone else is going to have to come in and be in charge and I do not want it to be any Asians. Asians are capable of a brutality that Western man cannot even conceive. I would rather have Anarchy and let that shape out for a couple hundred years than have any Asian Nation rule over me

Severian
Reply to  Whitney
4 months ago

Yeah, read up on Japanese colonialism in WW2… and then recall that the Japs thought the Chinese were ruthless, cruel barbarians. The only upside will be ask the liberals who decry white imperialism getting to experience, personally, the kind that uses King Leopold’s Ghost as a how to manual.

Whitney
Member
Reply to  Severian
4 months ago

I am not reading up on that. I’m not going to pollute my mind like that. I have managed to glean enough information to know the truth without having to stare at it full in the face. I know for sure no Asian is going to be our benevolent overlord

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Whitney
4 months ago

At least you admit you’re weak in a certain way; that you have certain arbitrary sensibilities to maintain.
I have to admit I never understood this point of view. I’ve read liberals state the same thing, they won’t read something, say Mein Kampf, because of its author and associated histories. Yet here they go on, yapping endlessly about the dangers of approaching fascism. The history, as per its definition, is history. Already happened.

Whitney
Member
Reply to  Forever Templar
4 months ago

That’s not why. I’m not polluting my mind with torture porn. I don’t consume the sexual poor either for the same reason

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Forever Templar
4 months ago

Some things are not necessary. You don’t learn to detect forgeries by looking at countless examples of forgeries, but by knowing the intimate details of the real thing.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Forever Templar
4 months ago

“Weak”?

That’s absurd. For avoiding filthy fiction designed to incite, a blood libel on our people to boot?

Retract the accusation.

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Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 months ago

(Personal note: Templar, Chief Two Buckets replied very late to you yesterday with a brief example of my disastrous, ruinous failure.

 

Whitney is anything but weak.

She employs more people than I ever will, and believe me, that takes sand and moxie. I bet she even has running water!)

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Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Whitney
4 months ago

The only PoC who might be benevolent overlords would be Indians, and they’re simply not ruthless enough to become overlords to begin with.

vmax71
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 months ago

LOLOL. Indian overlords!
 
The Indian guys will make the white guy the boss simply because of the color of his skin.
 
“You are White? You run the show. We don’t give a shit if you don’t know what is going going on.”
 
 

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 months ago

Are you talking sub-continent Indians?
 
Benevolent overlords? This is sarcasm, right? Try hyper status conscious, obsessed with class, rank, title and hierarchy, and given to rules lawyering.
 
If any “colored” group is going to supplant Jews in the US, it’s Indians. Not East Asians, regardless of population IQ means. East Asians are autistic compared to South Asians.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Mike_C
4 months ago

Yes, but at root they’re not violent or mean-spirited. They might nag and harangue, but they’re unlikely to torture and slaughter.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Severian
4 months ago

King Leopold’s Ghost”- 10 million! Basketfuls of hands!

 

Still, E.S.T. got all of Leopold’s money, so it worked.

Like taking candy from a baby!

And just look at WaCongo today!

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bilejones
Member
Reply to  Whitney
4 months ago

We are witnessing the loss of all the gains of the Enlightenment.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  bilejones
4 months ago

Which Enlightenment made possible, strangely enough.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 months ago

Interesting. Both agree and disagree.

Asking questions outside the box, expanding the franchise of knowledge, was the intent. Male thinking.

But the greedy midwits, interested in knowing only enough to lift their own boats, knew to expand the social franchise with such unproveable sentiments as “we are all God’s children.” Female thinking.

Pure political calculation.

The original #MeToo movement ended up overloading the lifeboat.

What hath priestly celibacy wrought?

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Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 months ago

The Enlightenment has been good in a lot of ways, but it’s also revolutionary. Without the endless revolution it loses its reason to exist, so it had to carry in it the seeds of its own destruction.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 months ago

“We are all God’s children.”
So were Cain and Abel, also cited as the Old Testament’s first example of the “Brotherhood of Man” 🙁

c matt
c matt
Reply to  bilejones
4 months ago

What gains?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  bilejones
4 months ago

In the broad outlines, it’s the fifth century all over again.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 months ago

Bullseye, Ostei.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Whitney
4 months ago

Asians are capable of a brutality that Western man cannot even conceive.”
 
What, are you against capitalism?
A…racist?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Whitney
4 months ago

Two whole centuries of anarchy can never be a good thing.

Whitney
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 months ago

It won’t be two centuries but if you think about after the Bronze Age collapse and the appearance of new power centers took about four hundred years. Things were happening and that 400 years and it wasn’t Anarchy but it wasn’t culture either

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Whitney
4 months ago

Change happens far more rapidly now than ever before. Look at 1964 through 1969, and look at the last 12 years. We are destined for anarchy, and sooner than later, apparently, but my guess is that it will last less than 10 years. The rebuilding process, whatever form it takes, will take considerably longer, though.

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
Reply to  Whitney
4 months ago

That was a world of 150 million people, Europe had around 8 million.
 
In a world of 8 billion with 400 million in Europe and 350 million in the US and billions on our doorstep looking for resources…we’re in for much worse.

3g4m
3g4m
Reply to  Whitney
4 months ago

The Asians’ brutality springs from an innate detachment from anyone not considered them – generally intimate family or extended clan, in all cases genetic race. That’s one reason (among many) I am so scornful of the White men who claim Asian wives are ‘feminine’ or ‘demure.’ Their operating system is a brutal, cold practicality. Their sole interest in you is your utility (racial, social, financial). Their reality is the opposite of the Western romantic’s.

vmax71
Reply to  3g4m
4 months ago

Well, in a way, they have a better understanding that marriage is a contract that needs to be fulfilled both ways. Better than the typical western wife. They make sure the kids get educated. They make sure the house is running efficiently. They have no problem in balancing the finances.
 
They may not be romantic enough for our taste, but there are other qualities that will make sure that the husband’s life is not shitty.

3g4m
3g4m
Reply to  vmax71
4 months ago

Give you that you are a subcontinental Indian, of course you are going to see ‘value’ in an Indian wife.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  3g4m
4 months ago

It obviously doesn’t matter to you, but some of those Indian girls are total babes. If I couldn’t have a white woman, I’d likely plump for one of those.

Vmax71
Reply to  3g4m
4 months ago

I see value in an Indian for several reasons…..all perfectly logical. The first one before anything else: because I want my kids and grandkids to look like me. That is the argument any white person should tell their daughters for making sure the marry a white guy. Don’t you want your kids and grandkids to look like you?

Walt
Walt
Reply to  Vmax71
4 months ago

There’s no assurance they will look like you. I know plenty of white kids who don’t resemble their dads. I see guys married to Japanese women and their sons are spitting images of their white dads (I lived over there for years). I think the whole argument is rather shallow. Besides, I’m no oil painting, I wouldn’t want my daughter looking like me.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Whitney
4 months ago

Collapse is the remedy. And Europe will likely precede us to the bottom. And everywhere on the planet will experience a different type of roiling when things get dicey. As seen with the current epidemic of riots, the police will soon become full-time bystanders and chaos will reign. There are about 300 million firearms in private hands in the US. Our catharsis will largely be influenced by that unique circumstance.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  TomA
4 months ago

I’m not sure Europe will fall as hard as the US. For all their problems, they’re not nearly as diverse. They’re emulating the empire, but the bones are solid. I don’t see how America survives without giving up a big piece of its foundation (E pluribus unum), even if its original meaning has been tortured.

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TomA
TomA
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 months ago

Europe has disarmed its citizens, and most of their alpha male bloodline was killed off in the world wars of the past century. Almost all their nations are ruled by weak women and their standing armies are a joke. In Wisconsin alone, there are over 200,000 skilled hunters who have actually killed prey. I know a retired doctor who has killed 4 adult deer with a pellet gun. I like our chances here.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  TomA
4 months ago

Good points, and I generally agree about our odds, but the toll of blood and disillusionment, if it ever comes to that, would leave a deeper scar on the US. Even Britain is still overwhelmingly British. We no longer have a supermajority here. Europe will recover faster.

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King Tut
King Tut
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 months ago

There are big swathes of Europe that are entirely white. I live in one of them.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  TomA
4 months ago

Yes, it’s good that real men still exist in America. But outside of blowing away some overgrown rodents, we haven’t done jackshit up to this point. The real men should have dropped the hammer on this madness years ago. And I don’t think we will until the Hutus and their allies come after us in force.

PrimiPilus
PrimiPilus
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 months ago

Perhaps ….. but perhaps not. Check out the pictures of the boys up in northern Idaho. Yes, it’s not the prevalent behavior, at least not the one we’ve seen. But it’s there.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  TomA
4 months ago

At this point I’m no longer certain Europe will beat us to the bottom. We’ve got a helluva lot more POC than they do.

Alzaebo
Reply to  TomA
4 months ago

The bottleneck of success: overpopulation and its consequences.

Nature is indeed beyond morality.

Proof that Creation is blind.

An unrelenting force, not a master plan.

A pet peeve- whenever intellectuals say, “consciousness underlays reality”, they are trying to fit a square box into a round hole to keep from pissing off the audience. Bad model.

I think larping as old-time religions- Wotan, Jesus, Mohammed- is going to leave us rudderless. Drifting blind, again.

The common wisdom works, but to such a limited degree.

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King Tut
King Tut
Reply to  TomA
4 months ago

The moment any American unsheathes his trusty firearm, the police will stop being bystanders and that right quick.

PartyOnGarth
PartyOnGarth
Reply to  King Tut
4 months ago

Only if said American operates individually or with a small group. If he organizes in larger numbers, the police will leave him alone even if his unit kills. Ultimately the police will want to live.

miforest
Member
Reply to  PartyOnGarth
4 months ago

this is stupidity. you need to rethink this.

SentientPotatoes
SentientPotatoes
Reply to  miforest
4 months ago

this is stupidity. you need to rethink this.
Wow. I guess that profound explication settles the matter. You should broker world peace.
 

miforest
Member
Reply to  SentientPotatoes
4 months ago

talk to the proud boys in ny jails about safety in numbers

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  TomA
4 months ago

“about 300 million firearms in private hands in the US”
 
Not to sidetrack too far, but it’s almost certain that the number of privately-owned firearms in US is well north of 500 million, and very likely higher than that. And even more important than firearms is the amount of ammunition in private hands.
 
The 300M number is a deliberate UNDERestimation from TPTB. In the same way that the number of illegals was set at 11M for decades. It’s disinformation to lull and/or gaslight the public.

PartyOnGarth
PartyOnGarth
Reply to  Mike_C
4 months ago

It’s better than that. Increasingly and in large numbers we are acquiring tools that enable us to easily build sophisticated firearms and roll our own ammunition. The police and military are well behind us civvies in this respect.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Whitney
4 months ago

This definitely has the ‘fall of Rome’ feel to it

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
4 months ago

Stop complaining. Play your fiddle and watch the pretty flames 😀
 

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c matt
c matt
Reply to  Whitney
4 months ago

Probably will take the rest of the world with it, but some parts of the world don’t have very far to fall, so they might not even notice. “Functioning societies hardest hit.”

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Whitney
4 months ago

Civilization is already lost. We have some of the trappings of civilization, but they are hollow and empty. Families are spread across the country or around the world. There are rarely generations all living in the same town or the same neighborhood. It used to be the norm. Civilization was based on community and community was based on family or a series of close-knit families.

Alzaebo
Reply to  tarstarkas
4 months ago

Such good replies to TomA, all.

(Sorry I go off the deep end.)

 

Tars, that’s just it.

We’ve never faced modern transportation before.

We have no historical models for this. It all used to depend on how fast man or animal could walk.

 

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G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
Reply to  Whitney
4 months ago

We are in a slow motion collapse unfortunately.
Our entire nation is being looted not just the Nike stores in the cities.
The 401k holders just don’t know it yet.
We are gonna have to split apart and keep and control our own technology companies.
I want my tech company overseen by Jared Taylor not Jared Kushner.
 
 

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Johnmark7
Johnmark7
Reply to  Whitney
4 months ago

I used to wonder how the people of The Levant and North Africa could fall so easily to a rag tag bunch of Arab Bedouins when they had the legacy of Roman arms and tactics. Well, they had the technology to defeat the Arabs but not the will. They were soft. I see white Americans including the police all over the country on their knees bowing before the stupidest and ugliest people in the world, and I don’t have to wonder anymore.   Of course, this applies almost entirely to “blue” cities. Rural people will probably reorganize at some point… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Johnmark7
4 months ago

Not only them, but Persia and parts of Byzantium fell to the Sand Hutus. Truly astonishing. Much like the Mongol conquests six centuries later.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Johnmark7
4 months ago

Roman “tactics” were intricately linked to Roman “people” who formed the legions (initially). Tactics, but more so army formation/structure were easily observable to the enemy and could be copied—if they had the ability to implement. They did not, due to biology and culture.   I know it sounds a bit simplistic without elaboration, but that’s the essence of it. As the “Roman” legions became more and more non-Roman, they became less and less effective as compared to their typical “barbarian” opponents. The empire peaked in the second century, and a slow decline followed as foreigners were admitted and then incorporated… Read more »

miforest
Member
Reply to  Whitney
4 months ago

I love history . if you look at alll the coup-da-ta’s in the 50’s and 60’s in south america,africa, and some of asia. the steps are the same : general cerfew. , this keeps the opposition from mobilizing andy supporters to defend them or orgainze. suspend the constutution of charter of rights. under the pretense of emergency. loot the treasury to pay your supporters . ( stimulus bill as big as a years budget) get controll of the media. (long ago) rally your supporters, and hold a sham election to put your guy in power. consolidate power. well this hasn’t… Read more »

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Whitney
4 months ago

Given modernity’s inherent trend to degeneration or self-cancellation, three broad prospects open. These are not strictly exclusive, and are therefore not true alternatives, but for schematic purposes it is helpful to present them as such.(1) Modernity 2.0. Global modernization is re-invigorated from a new ethno-geographical core, liberated from the degenerate structures of its Eurocentric predecessor, but no doubt confronting long range trends of an equally mortuary character. This is by far the most encouraging and plausible scenario (from a pro-modernist perspective), and if China remains even approximately on its current track it will be assuredly realized. (India, sadly, seems to… Read more »

Bill_Mullins
Member
Reply to  Whitney
4 months ago

The question for me is will the downfall of the West take the rest of the globe with it? If the west falls I hope it takes the rest of the world with it. If our civilization has to fall I damned well hope it takes the rat bastards in China, Africa and Japan down, too. One bright spot in the potential gloom is the effect it will almost certainly have on the Muzzies. Those assholes will starve en masse. No Muzzie nation feeds itself. All import most of the food their people eat. When the global transportation web collapses… Read more »

Clayton Barnett
4 months ago

As a boy in the late 70s I was told “never say something on the phone you wouldn’t say to a cop.” A generation on, I told my daughters, basically, “never say anything.”
 
Special note to ZMan’s Catholic readers: never never never take your phone into Confession with you. Even if you think you turned it off. Never.

tonaludatus
tonaludatus
Reply to  Clayton Barnett
4 months ago

good suggestion, but what if the priest has a phone?

ChetRollins
ChetRollins
Reply to  tonaludatus
4 months ago

A priest breaking the seal gets excommunicated.
For all the other parts of the Church that have gone to the dogs, the Seal of the Confessional is still solid.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  ChetRollins
4 months ago

But the priest has no control over the hacking of his phone.

Carrie
Reply to  ChetRollins
4 months ago

Welll….
The seal is only as solid as the priest hearing the confession.
Catholics (myself included) are obliged to watch, look, listen, and do your homework on who your confessor is.

miforest
Member
Reply to  Clayton Barnett
4 months ago

good advice clayton

Felix Krull
Member
4 months ago

Many people in small villages live in a Synopticon already, with a very limited privacy that is prone to being ripped away at any moment. Everybody knows who’s gay, alcoholic or adulterous, who beats his wife, who beats her husband, who’s addicted to prescription drugs and who is having group sex on their trip to Ibiza.   <i>Just wait until deep fakes make it possible for people to post realistic fake videos of cops abusing blacks.</i>   Maybe that’s not such a bad thing. Once deep fakes have become ubiquitous, people will be forced to judge news items against their… Read more »

Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 months ago

I live in a small, rural community and sure that stuff happens. People I hardly know come up and ask me about stuff that I have no idea how they found out about.   But it’s not the same thing. That’s just an efficient gossip grapevine. It occurs among people who actually socialize together, who actually have a community.   What the Zman is talking about is far more pernicious.   ETA: To clarify, I agree with Apex Predator that I don’t care if the police are monitored all the time. I just don’t like the monitoring of private citizens.… Read more »

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bilejones
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
4 months ago

I recently moved to a rural part of MD, 30 some miles directly north of the Zman. I would have to drive 10 miles to the Walmart before I could reasonably expect to see a black, it’s solidly blue/white collar/ farmer armed to the teeth whites. My wife mentioned to a neighbor that we planned to hit a local bar/restaurant and was treated with “I didn’t know you were into that sort of thing”. Turns out It’s the scene of the local wife-swapping, throw your keys in the pot-luck bowl etc. action. Much red-faced confession of ignorance.   I thought… Read more »

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Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  bilejones
4 months ago

I may be speaking out of turn here, Lineman may not be happy with me for sharing. He booked the back room of a nice restaurant for our January meet-up dinner. The owner, during the reservation process, wanted to know if we were part of “that” group who regularly booked the place for their “meetings”—yup, swinger sessions. Also in a lily white suburb, a few tens of miles from the big city. It’s a thing, apparently. See? Meet up and learn new things about people!

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Dutch
4 months ago

There’s very little to do in a small village. Fucking is big on the agenda.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 months ago

The big F is how the girls kept the peace for 10 million years when we were were bonobos. I say honor our ancestral traditions.

Those chimps, however, are loud, rude animals who should stick to their own tree.

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Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Dutch
4 months ago

Gag. If I’d known that’s what went on there I wouldn’t have been able to eat. Wife-swappers/Swingers gross me out on a visceral level. Some reason it makes my skin crawl… I’d have made a lousy eskimo or viking.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Penitent Man
4 months ago

Lineman quietly told me about it at the end, when we were paying the tab. Perhaps keeping it mostly under his hat that night was a good thing. He did mention that the owner asked because he was trying to not let that sort of thing in the door any more, if that is of any consolation. Kind of sounds like the owner, once he found out what was going on, cleaned house (it likely was a place to meet and go somewhere else from there).

miforest
Member
Reply to  Penitent Man
4 months ago

me to, It’s a shame too, I am a great rower

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Dutch
4 months ago

What?
WTF?
 
I’m torn between laughing and being grossed out. Jeez.
 

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The Right Doctor
The Right Doctor
Reply to  Mike_C
4 months ago

They definitely meet there are go elsewhere. I say this because, although we had the curtains drawn and the doors closed, while I was proposing a toast the waiter just barged in.

miforest
Member
Reply to  Dutch
4 months ago

That is sick , sick , sick. I am sorry that crap didn’t stay in the 60’s where it belongs

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  bilejones
4 months ago

Maybe not exactly your area, but the MD and no. VA mountains are very pretty. The problem is that you’re never far from primary nuclear targets. This has been true since at least the 1960s 😀

(((They))) Live
(((They))) Live
Reply to  bilejones
4 months ago

So what was the local bar like, good fun ?

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Vizzini
4 months ago

I too have no problem with the police being monitored during the course of their duties, during every interaction with the public, at least. With the powers they possess and assume, accountability is an imperative.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  KGB
4 months ago

The problem is not the professional monitoring, it’s the social justice shitstorm that may hit you, even if you’re doing your job properly. As I understand it, police chief is a political appointment in most of the US, so you are liable to get shafted by your boss as well as the mob.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 months ago

The alternative is law enforcement agenices with carte blanche to ruin your life in a way the tech companies and corporate oligarchs can only dream of. The United States Supreme Court has ruled in multiple cases that police can legally lie to you. Your only recourse to being railroaded by a juiced up, low IQ gorilla, is to hope someone taped him in violation of his oath. Even that may not do you a whit of good. This is another area in which we’d be wise to avoid the NAXALT principle. Good cops may exist, but the law enforcement profession… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 months ago

Yes, the problem is edited videos to shape the desired narrative. For example, hypotheticlly, the police arrest a Black in Minneapolis. Caught on multiple videos. Apparently no one has asked yet why a man can say “I can’t breathe” a dozen or more times, in a normal voice. I was under the impression that speech required moving air out of the lungs. Perhaps I’m wrong?

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 months ago

“police chief is a political appointment in most of the US”
 
Are you suggesting that the courageous and intelligent Danielle Outlaw may have gotten her position for reasons other than sheer ability and merit? I’m shocked and disappointed.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  KGB
4 months ago

I’d like to see cameras in the classroom after some of the wingnuts, slackers and perverts I had the pleasure of having as teachers in public school.
 
The teachers are constantly mouthing the “for the children” platitudes but their unions clamp down on any move to allow parents to actually view in real time what is being taught in the classroom.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Vizzini
4 months ago

Agree, Vizzini. My tiny Nevada town in the 70s had more serious lunatics than UC Berkeley, yet it was and is one of the last havens of family, sanity, and peace.

 

God bless Mom and Sis for taking all of us there after the desegregation riots in Cali.

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Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  thezman
4 months ago

<i> The thing is, the village is highly personal, while modern society is now highly impersonal. </i>
 
Good point.

Severian
Reply to  thezman
4 months ago

That’s stage one for anyone trying to go underground – create a fake online profile. The greatest advantage we have is that these people are a lot like their pets, the Urban Achievers – dumb and profoundly lazy. So long as your avatar looks right – are we still doing the all black thing, or was that just yesterday? – they’ll look no further.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Severian
4 months ago

That’s stage one for anyone trying to go underground – create a fake online profile.
 
Yes. In fact, it should be a constitutional amendment that all citizens have a right to an anonymous online account. Online anonymity may be one of the single most important factors behind Trumps election.

Severian
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 months ago

Yeah, because we know how much respect they have for the Constitution…

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Severian
4 months ago

American authorities – and Americans in general – have a lot more respect for their constitution than in other Western countries.
 
That (rather than the Constitution itself) is why America still has some measure of free speech: every country has a first amendment of some kind, but only Americans take theirs seriously.
I’m told the Soviet constitution would’ve made Thomas Paine weep with joy.

3g4m
3g4m
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 months ago

It’s highly ironic when I recall how shocked I was by my British flatmates, back in 1980, praising Nixon as a terrific president and wondering why he had to resign. In my then liberal self-righteousness, I said “Because he tried to subvert the Constitution.” Thing is, despite a liberal upbringing, I actually meant it at the time. I regarded it as sacred. Now? Don’t make me laugh.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 months ago

Thomas Paine?
 
The notorious Jacobin who would have lost his head within days, had not Robespierre lost his first?
 
I don’t care if he wrote Common Sense, he was a proto-commie POS.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 months ago

FK, I believed that, too, until our acquiescence to the Korona Krackdown. In three short weeks, our Constitution was shredded and burned, and we did little more than whimper. The US Constitution is a dead letter.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 months ago

In three short weeks, our Constitution was shredded and burned, and we did little more than whimper.
 
But at least you are aware of it. Euros are like “what do you mean, constitution? The government can do whatever it likes, right?”

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Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 months ago

Yes, the US always revered its constitution more than European countries, I imagine, because we’ve never known a form of government other than the constitutional. But, like everything else that was good about America, it is no more.

levi
levi
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 months ago

You do not speak for all Europeans.
Most of your constitutions are a few decades old so no wonder you are indifferent to them being crushed underfoot.

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 months ago

Pretty sure I was disillusioned earlier, as to the regard most of our political masters had for the Constitution, but still disappointing.
 
What shocked me was how many “freefor” people caved instantly, and how many of those not only swallowed the propaganda and the party lines, but repeated them aggressively and viciously attacked dissenters.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Mike_C
4 months ago

And for what? It’s not as though we were confronted by the Black Death–although we are now–or that Covid was plausibly orders of magnitude more severe than annual flu outbreaks. We were stampeded into trampling the Constitution by a nothingburger. One historical lesson from this fiasco is that culture trumps constitution.

miforest
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 months ago

covid was not much worse that the annual flu. and with the padding of the death count by misclassifing deaths , it may be no worse at all.

Carrie
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
4 months ago

Whaddaya mean “three short weeks”?
It was shredded long before the krackdown.

Lurker
Lurker
Reply to  thezman
4 months ago

The other thing is that you know the character of the people whom you grew up with . You know their idiosyncrasies and predispositions , be they political , social , religious or personal .    We used to say ‘ Sticks and Stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me “ or “ He’s entitled to his opinion , it’s a free country “ . Today people say , “ you best not say that “ or “ I wouldn’t say that if I were you “ .    Among the urban mob , people sort themselves out… Read more »

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Nobody
Nobody
Reply to  thezman
4 months ago

With all credit to Kipling,
 
The men of my own stock,
They may do ill or well,
But they tell the lies I am wanted to,
They are used to the lies I tell;
And we do not need interpreters
When we go to buy or sell

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  thezman
4 months ago

The difference in the village is you also have to deal with the direct consequences of being an asshole. You will dealt with face to face. Big difference. The latest fad around here with social media is rounding up all the profiles of kids who didn’t put the “black” icon up and/or searching their “follow” profiles for bad thinkers–then engaging in a group hate. In the olden days that would get you punched in the face. We’re now in a society where there is zero sense of reciprocal obligations.

3g4m
3g4m
Reply to  SamlAdams
4 months ago

Saml – That’s part of the destruction of hierarchy and social order. Hierarchy is, after all, a series of reciprocal obligations and duties, not merely the ‘who’s on top’ over-simplification by knee-jerk idiots. But ‘murricans are high on ‘rights’ all the time, and no one ever utters a word about obligations to one another (unless it’s to make the mentally ill or the non-Whites feel ‘safe’). Bring back face-punching and dueling – it’s far preferable to this insidious snitching campaign.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  3g4m
4 months ago

Yep. I’ve often said to those who might listen that you can ask any 12 yo in the US what their “rights” are, and they’ll lecture you without end—but change the question to “what are your responsibilities” and they’ll be mute, or after a sentence or two, silent.

The Right Doctor
The Right Doctor
Reply to  thezman
4 months ago

Wonderful distinction. My next-door neighbor is a drunk. Starts early, sits on the front porch working on a case of beer, the whole time saying hello to passers-by and keeping treats on hand for the dogs. Those who don’t know him disparage him. I sit and talk with him about the world. He used to be a cage-fighter and has some great breakdowns of opponents by racial group. (Says Samoans were the toughest: “You have to go for the larynx. Paralyses ‘em.”) Nice guy to boot, but then again I’m not a Samoan.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  The Right Doctor
4 months ago

Doctor, that’s a good observation. To me, a drunk is someone acting out of normal behavior and being a nuisance of sorts. But there are quite a few functioning (?) alcoholics out there who I found to be interesting company as well. I just feel saddened that they have decided to end their days in such a state.

ExNativeSon
Reply to  Compsci
4 months ago

Important distinction.   An ex long time girl friend of mine had a father who was a drunk and drank and gambled away the minor fortune his father had left him.   A now dead friend drank away his pain until he drank away his life but was a completely righteous, intelligent, helpful, and good man.   I will say that in watching what seems the complete capitulation of white Western leaders in every field to the our Floyd conquerors the last few days that I am understanding the opioid suicide of my poor and lower class white brothers more… Read more »

The Right Doctor
The Right Doctor
Reply to  Compsci
4 months ago

Roger that.

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  The Right Doctor
4 months ago

“Starts early, sits on the front porch working on a case of beer”   Total side track here, but I had a patient like that. On the intake exam I was mandated to ask “how many drinks per week?” and the man thought for a moment and replied, “One hundred and … uh … sixty eight.” “What?” “I have 168 beers per week, 24 per day. Did I do the math wrong? Look, doc, every morning I walk to the gas station and buy a case of beer. I drink that case of beer over the day. If I run… Read more »

miforest
Member
Reply to  thezman
4 months ago

being from a small town, I’ve seen some of that . Fred may be a drunk, but if he is also helpful and kind , reasomable intelegent , and doesn’t cause trouble whe he drinks , he will still be acepted and cared for.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Felix Krull
4 months ago

Good points. Years ago, I read a columnist who forecast that soon photo (and by extension, video) evidence ediiting would become so good that it’d be impossible to tell real from faked. I guess we’re pretty close to this already, even with “consumer” grade software. How would this affect law enforcement evidence? They will still use it, but will need to prove a chain of custody, etc. In other words, it’ll be as (un)reliable and (un)acceptable as such evidence currently is.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
4 months ago

It seams to me that the long term consequence of the Synopticon and reordering of privacy will be negligible. At some point information overload will kick in and it will all become background noise.   Thats exactly what happened in CA with the prop 65 cancer warning signs. People used to freak out about this or that thing causing cancer and people were predicting the passage of prop 65 would lead to major changes. Proponents that “public awareness” would force changes – opponents that fear would induce paralysis and crash the economy. Instead everyone ignores the signs and there’s less… Read more »

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
4 months ago

Maybe. Everyone freaked out about “google glass” 10 years ago. Now no one would notice.
But constant surveillance and the immolation of all privacy has destroyed all social trust. Not only do I have to guard my words against possible offense now, but must consider what I say now may destroy me 10 years from now as the Overton acceptability window shrinks again.
Heck, most of the leaders of both parties would be considered lepers if they expressed their opinions of 20 years ago in public today. They signed up for that nonsense…I didn’t.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  ProZNoV
4 months ago

That “nonsense” was berthed in academia, imbued in its charges, and thence disseminated throughout society. Academia is the engine of our destruction.

Chris_Lutz
Member
4 months ago

After watching one of those reality TV cop shows, I turned to my wife and said “I would take less than a week before I shot someone for being too stupid to live.” On the other hand, my wife was surprised at how easy it was for the cops to come up with a reason to search you or your vehicle.   Cops have a tough job because most of the people with whom they deal are idiots. Of course, that leads to getting cops who are authoritarian jerks. A better people leads to better cops, because they don’t need… Read more »

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  Chris_Lutz
4 months ago

There’s a problem with policing in America. They escalate too quickly and are all paranoid that every encounter is seconds away from turning violent – which puts the on a hair trigger – and leads to overreaction 99 times out of 100.   Ultimately, however, the problem is cultural diversity. Different cultures have different tolerances for petty crime and public behavior. The cops are trying to enforce the ruling Anglo Puritan low tolerance on vibrant cultures that naturally have a higher tolerance for such – which leads to friction. The same policing in an Anglo-Puritan culture would be fine –… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
4 months ago

The third and only true solution is radical separation.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
4 months ago

The only solutions are cultural assimilation. Which has been ruled out by our rulers.

 
It hasn’t been ruled out. It’s just impossible.

Presbyter
Member
Reply to  Chris_Lutz
4 months ago

40 years ago a retired county police Lt. Told me what he thought about the type of personalitiescoming into the Academy: about the only difference between the new breed and the types they chase and arrest was the badge.

Member
Reply to  Presbyter
4 months ago

One of the first cops I ever met off the job, I met at a party … doing cocaine with his friends in the bathroom.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Vizzini
4 months ago

“White people do it too” 🙂

ChetRollins
ChetRollins
Reply to  Chris_Lutz
4 months ago

The sympathies of your average white person to the plight of cops took a dramatic downturn when they decided arresting moms on playgrounds and surfers for violating distancing was a legitimate use of power.

Whitney
Member
Reply to  ChetRollins
4 months ago

Definitely! It was dramatic for me personally I can tell you that

tremain
tremain
Reply to  ChetRollins
4 months ago

Almost like that was intentional?

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  ChetRollins
4 months ago

From an old cop show (Adam 12, maybe): “I don’t create the laws, Sir, I just enforce them.” Left unsaid: “I get credit for enforcing laws; I prefer to minimize the professional and personal danger to myself.” Given the choice between writing up a surfer and going after some Melanic Hominids™ transacting business in an alley, which would you choose?
 

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Lurker
Lurker
Reply to  Chris_Lutz
4 months ago

It’s pretty hard to understand why you’d be on the side of the police. They’re big government goons, uneducated, mouth breathing , knuckle draggers in many cases, implementing whatever big government nanny state policy that is decreed .   They have been flooded with affirmative action hires for a generation . Whenever the government requires the narrative to be enforced, it’s with the help of police.   They have to deal with negroes and dysfunctional non-Whites , which means that law enforcement is reduced to the lowest common denominator . To do otherwise would be unfair . When you have negroes… Read more »

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KGB
KGB
Reply to  Lurker
4 months ago

It can’t be stated enough that female officers on a beat are the absolute worst. A good number of them are out of shape ham beasts and bull dykes. And just about every last one of them has a massive chip of toxic femininity on their shoulder.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Lurker
4 months ago

I must protest the mouthbreather part, and I submit a defense of the talented tenth, too- but yeah, the good ones are increasingly chased away.

Lurker
Lurker
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 months ago

Dear Sir ,    With all due respect , please forgive me for disabusing you of your misapprehensions .   The police are paid instruments of the state . They are the enemy and as collaborators they are beneath contempt .    On a hunch or a false allegation they visit people in the night . Bust down their doors . Shoot their dogs and if you’re lucky enough not to be shot , they will drag you away and imprison you . The media will make you out to be a demon and the courts will often side with the… Read more »

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Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  Chris_Lutz
4 months ago

One thing that has become obvious is that the authorities, for the most part, are only willing to enforce the law on those who follow the law.
Right, it’s anarcho-tyranny. They will shut down a church service for the Corona-Panic, but they won’t even attempt to shut down a riot. They’ll arrest a woman in front of her children for not wearing a mask, but they won’t arrest rioters flagrantly committing multiple felonies right before their eyes.

ChetRollins
ChetRollins
Reply to  Chris_Lutz
4 months ago

>  I turned to my wife and said “I would take less than a week before I shot someone for being too stupid to live.” 
Every father should watch a season of The First 48 with his teenage son.

David Wright
Member
4 months ago

Those who have chosen to become police for the generous gibs ,short career, and ridiculous pension, might at some point have second thoughts eh?
There was an old Outer Limits episode (O.B.I.T), that had a disguised alien give us a machine where we see into the daily lives of others. When caught in the act , he mocked his captors saying they couldn’t stop it, that once released nobody would stop the use of it. They would desire it way too strongly.
https://youtu.be/qogLcQsRlG0

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
Reply to  thezman
4 months ago

The Enormous Radio by John Cheever

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  thezman
4 months ago

In the 1980s you could do the same if you had a scanner and too much time on your hands. They were called “Baby monitors.” 🙂

Lurker
Lurker
Reply to  thezman
4 months ago

Some may recall “ Party Lines “ which were a sort of series circuit , with multiple users on the same line , anyone of which could listen in on calls . They were common in some rural and remote areas into the 80’s .    There was also also a film about a spook, who while obsessed with his own privacy, hires himself out to invade the privacy of others , only to suffer the same intrusion by his former paymaster.    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Conversation   The Squareheads made a film on a similar theme called “ The Lives of Others “ .… Read more »

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The Right Doctor
The Right Doctor
Reply to  David Wright
4 months ago

Check out The Light of Other Days by Stephen Baxter. Wormhole technology leads to real-time viewing of any person or event at any time now or in the past. It is an absolute loss of privacy. Lots of other stuff goes on, but the kids simply grow up knowing there’s no reason to even think about hiding anything, and adapt automatically. There’s a parallel here with today’s young-uns having been woven into the net since they were in strollers

Apex_Predator
Member
4 months ago

As a first-hand experiencer of the egregious ultra-violence of the state, you aren’t going to get a terrible amount of sympathy from me from cops being watched 24x7x365. If that is what it takes to weed out the many sociopathic / power mad personalities that seek out law enforcement jobs, so be it. The system is irredeemably broken for the most part so perhaps enough ‘watchers’ will have those folks of that particular bent move on to places they belong which is either cleaning floors in silent impotent fury, or in a warzone. They have absolutely no business having qualified… Read more »

Presbyter
Member
Reply to  Apex_Predator
4 months ago

Processions of self-flagellating penitents in the streets, except now the “God” puts YOU on the cross.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Apex_Predator
4 months ago

I was near the ‘92 riots in LA. Even then the behavior didn’t surprise me at all. Diffusion of responsibility is only a thing in populations that have personal responsibility in the first place.   What I did find interesting were the rooftop Koreans and the “Black Owned” signs. Almost 30 years later and my how we have grown. The looting is the same but it seems that “black owned” is exactly right.   Some video of generation soy cheering on looters is making the rounds. Cheering to whines when the bricks come hrough their windows: “we’re on your side!”… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Screwtape
4 months ago

If I saw one of those signs I would be sorely provoked to vandalism. And I’d probably do time for it.

UFO
UFO
Reply to  Apex_Predator
4 months ago

A works based religion where salvation is not actually attainable, and where the work involves shaming yourself in front of BLM. Sounds like a pretty bad deal to me.
 
Apparently most Christians have joined the new faith. George Floyd, 2020 Jesus. Muslims appear to be sticking with Mohammed. Some virtue nodding has to be done but the True Believers are white, many ex-Christian.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Apex_Predator
4 months ago

Official state religion is correct. It’s not just some rich liberals. Cops are kneeling. Senate Dems are kneeling. State legislators are kneeling. Biden is kneeling.   Ostensibly, it’s to “honor” the Floyd or to pray for peace. BS. It’s to publicly acknowledge their subservience to a religion that blames “white racism” – something all whites possess – for society’s ills. It is now official.   And what stands between them and doing what needs to be done to eradicate white racism: the GOP. The Washington Generals of politics are our defenders. Any bets on how long it will be before… Read more »

3g4m
3g4m
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
4 months ago

I’ve recommended this book here before, but must do so again. In Ash Donaldson’s “From Her Eyes A Doctrine,” (shockingly not yet removed from Amazon) he lays out very close future where the White tax is law, where White breeding is forbidden, and where only in a few separate, closed communities do Whites truly survive. It’s heavy on Asatru which is not my thing, but its political and social observations and recommendations are spot on.

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  3g4m
4 months ago

Funny. I liked the Asatru parts the best of that book.
 
FWIW I’ll heartily second the recommendation. It’s well written and the heroine and hero are sympathetic. I view it as allegorical science fiction where the allegory is pretty damned obvious. The world-building is good in an ethno-political sense, but there are too many logical holes to read it as “hard” predictive SF.

Apex_Predator
Member
Reply to  3g4m
4 months ago

This is a great recommendation. I think the only reason it hasn’t been memory holed is because the name of the book doesn’t immediately reveal the ‘thought crime’ contained in the pages.
It is scarily accurate especially since it’s epicenter in the novel is Minnesota! I’ll be picking this up for sure, probably in paperback since I’m sure they are going to ‘disappear’ the electronic edition sooner or later.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
4 months ago

White Racism is a potent force. It should be studied by science. It is so powerful that it apparently keeps the Melanic Hominid™ backwards, decades after Whites have been kicked out of a town, a city, a country. In fact, it’s so pernicious it afflicts these peoples even before they had any contact with the White Devil Slave Master.
 

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The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
4 months ago

I have to wonder if all the emphasis on kneeling in the Game of Thrones in recent years wasn’t some form of predictive programming.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Apex_Predator
4 months ago

Our long, expanding experiments in criminalizing sin has given us criminal cops with no lessening of sin. We need grey law, as the Zman says.

More on incentives, cont.

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Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 months ago

I want to speak on the new State Religion.

The Cult of Equality isn’t going to treat us equally, anything but. We will be accused of any wickedness.

The CoE is designed not to make all equal, but to cast down the conquerors.

It does this by lifting the conquered.

Not through merit, but by status.

The conquerors are pictured as low status; the conquered are pictured as above them.

Thus, victimhood and grievance become the new ladder of judgement.

I want to be anything- but White.

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Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 months ago

But the thing to remember Alzaebo, is that the thing they want from us, they can not create themselves. In the end, whether we are here or not, it will not end well for them. They want what they can not create, nor maintain.

Anna
Anna
Reply to  Apex_Predator
4 months ago

1 word: idolatry

SidVic
SidVic
Member
Reply to  Apex_Predator
4 months ago

Prison guards are more dispicable that police. It realy attracts the losers.

Carrie
Reply to  Apex_Predator
4 months ago

Hey Apex — I hear you on Leftist retardation.
I live near The Cemetery on the other side of the river.
And just an hour ago saw a 15-year old with a sign (clearly going home to his mommy’s home in the ‘burbs) about our current issues.
Do Z-man website “members” have the ability to send communications?

Apex_Predator
Member
Reply to  Carrie
4 months ago

re: Sending communications, not that I’m aware of. The few people who have been in contact here I believe did that directly. I can be reached at anon99@tutamail.com
I don’t think there is a ‘baked in’ email / message tool in this software platform.

Apex_Predator
Member
Reply to  Apex_Predator
4 months ago

This is why in many ways our goals line up with these idiots. The State is morally bankrupt. In ALL the possible things that they can do with actual murders, assaults, attempted murder, etc. that these rioters have caused what do they focus on?
‘White supremacists’. You will be hunted sooner rather than later, prepare for it because it will be ubiquitous.
 
https://nypost.com/2020/06/04/right-wing-extremists-planned-riots-at-las-vegas-protests-feds/
 
The FBI is ‘all-in’ on the radical leftist agitprop. They posted LGBTQ support on Twitter during a fucking week long riot, that tells you mostly everything you need to know.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
4 months ago

BTW. The Synopticon may help with peaceful sorting – self segregation. Ubiquitous video will make it clear that different people have different cultural norms – intuitive ways of behaving and interacting with each other. That “they” really aren’t “just like us” – which is ok and just a reality. And that people would rather live near people like themselves.
 
People already intuitively know that, but at a sub conscious level. Ubiquitous video can push that forward.

3g4m
3g4m
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
4 months ago

You’re delusional. The willfully blind will remain so – and anyone who is not ‘racially aware’ today is part of the willfully blind – by his own choice. In my book they have all earned their fate.
 
 

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Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  3g4m
4 months ago

Yes. A corollary problem is not being blind, but having to bow to societal norms, to not dare to speak plainly of some sensitive topics. You know, like the average white family wanting to live in a community with “good schools.” They’re not racist by any means, they merely are concerned for their children’s education 😀

Marko
Marko
4 months ago

What Z writes is true and all very possible. But what if we just don’t care? If people just go about their lives, cameras on or not, saying the same shit they’d say normally. The early ones caught saying a racial epithet will be scooped up in the media struggle session, but once this gets to the “I am Spartacus” point where we ALL spew racial epithets in solidarity, then the synopticon loses its power. This is highly fanciful, I know. But we can get scared or we can get bold. In fact there are people on our side that… Read more »

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Marko
4 months ago

I see a business opportunity. Buy my latest gizmo that detects the presence of electronic recording devices. For a few shekels more, I have upgrades that will jam them for you.   Organized crime has been dealing with finks and snitches for ages. You snitch – and you go to the morgue. Or you swim wit da fishes. You run… they will find you, eventually. They’ll kill your family in front of you before they put your lights out. The rich and powerful will adopt the same tactics. Epstein killed himself, nudge nudge, wink wink.   hitmen will see an… Read more »

Stranger in a strange land
Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  Glenfilthie
4 months ago

“Privacy will just become another profitable commodity”
Not sure if you meant that seriously, but that’s actually a good idea, and if someone had the technology (beyond just Vinnie and a few pals) and a business plan I’d consider investing.

Member
Reply to  Stranger in a strange land
4 months ago

I would invest too but I’m broke 🙁 I’ve joked a few times during the lockdown that it might be time to start selling those “stop snitchin'” T-shirts to white people too.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Glenfilthie
4 months ago

There’s been a word for it since the 1980’s: Arkancide,

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Glenfilthie
4 months ago

In the current situation am now happy to have a wealthy Albanian mob lawyer as a neighbor.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Glenfilthie
4 months ago

I’m not in the industry, mind you, but I’ve been told a few times in my life that the pros (e.g. spies, government, etc.) have equipment that is undetectable even by experts and their equipment. This may have been true for years. Hence the advice for those in positions of power, behave as though you are always under surveilance, because there is a good chance that is the case. Of course, as already has been mentioned, you are still screwed if they cut & paste to make up whatever evidence they want 🙁
 

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H I
H I
Reply to  Glenfilthie
4 months ago

You can buy detection tools. Jammers are illegal, but it’s possible to make them. Spark gap transmitters are noisy and bulky though. https://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/how-to-build-a-radiodrone-jammer/34089

Maus
Maus
Reply to  Marko
4 months ago

Amen, brother. If we live in fear and self-censor in a misguided expectation that Zman’s Synopticon can be subverted, then we’ve already locked the chains on ourselves. I refuse to kowtow to the insanity. I have practiced years of frugality and saving to develop the financial independence necessary to weather public opprobrium. At this point, the only thing TPTB can do to folks like me is kill or imprison us. Are they ready to make some martyrs?

3g4m
3g4m
Reply to  Marko
4 months ago

I’ve heard too many false promises of “I am Spartacus” to trust in any group claims of support or “I’ll have your back.” Perhaps you and others will have better luck.

Member
Reply to  Marko
4 months ago

I had thought that there would be more open defiance of the lockdowns for just this reason. This whole thing is just so stupid that no one will go along knowing there aren’t enough cops to bust everyone who keeps a little shop open.   I think eventually the lockdowns and now the riots will cause a more lawless spirit to arise among whites though. Most are not as immersed in politics as we are and are surprisingly unaware of what’s been happening. My own wife seldom seems to know about the latest media panic until I tell her about… Read more »

Mike_C
Mike_C
Reply to  Marko
4 months ago

“If people just go about their lives, cameras on or not, saying the same shit they’d say normally”   I’m not necessarily brave, but I am stubborn and increasingly pissed off. The practical upshot of this is that while I’m careful about HOW I say things, I’m no longer really holding back on WHAT I talk about. And I don’t believe there is any virtue or power in using racial epithets. (Not for some moral or prissy or cowardly reason, but because I think it doesn’t add anything, and can turn off the undecided.) Talking about black dysfunction,for example, is… Read more »

joey junger
joey junger
4 months ago

The concept of the panopticon, via Michel Foucault by way of Jeremy Bentham, was not that the one watched the many, but that the many couldn’t see exactly who the one was watching, and so everyone was on their best behavior, for fear that they were being watched. This created an internal voice so that one policed themselves rather than being policed. And it also was supposed to force the prisoners to police each other. It’s working in American society much better than it did in prisons (they tried it in Statesville, Joliet, and Pentonville, and it hasn’t really succeeded)… Read more »

Alzaebo
Reply to  joey junger
4 months ago

to quell the humiliation of being a defeated people.”
 
Why we do the 2nd Amendment Ghost Dance.

CAPT S
CAPT S
4 months ago

All true. And then there’s our hubris in berating the Soviets and mocking present-day China. Western totalitarians, though, are so much kinder and gentler, offering the masses velvet-lined handcuffs on a volunteer basis. Hell, we even line-up to pay for our $1000 handcuffs, pay a monthly fee to keep the surveillance active, and then go on to believe that modern life isn’t possible without them. But at least we’re free, right?

Marko
Marko
Reply to  CAPT S
4 months ago

Americans are no freer than the Chinese or old Soviets. Making people realize this is a worthy goal. It’s a tricky thing to do with normie cons, but ask them how a non-violent Chinese man can lose his job, friends, or go to jail in China. Most know the answer. Then ask how the same happens here. The answer is “criticizing minorities”. Then point out the biases of most major news organizations, most politicians, all of academia, and big business. Whom do they side with? There’s your State. Now ask them, can you rise to the top, even the middle,… Read more »

3g4m
3g4m
Reply to  Marko
4 months ago

You’re assuming facts and logic work when dealing with a mass religious fervor, such as today’s White privilege/numinous Negro insanity. You are sorely mistaken.
 

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Member
4 months ago

This is happening all over. An academic, for example, discussing speech laws at a conference, could be secretly recorded. The recording is then edited to only include his recitation of prohibited words and phrases.

 
This already happens, but they don’t even have to bother taking things out of context. I read campusreform.org and there are already incidents of professors censured for using prohibited words in context in literature, history or legal discussions.
 

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Severian
Reply to  Vizzini
4 months ago

One of the last straws in my teaching career was having a student berate me for… Anti Semitism, I guess, but in reality it was Aggravated Feelbad. For putting up a slide that outlined Nazi beliefs, clearly labeled as such, in a Modern European History class. Evidently the way you’re supposed to teach this now is Ilhan Omar style – “from 1933 to 1945, some people did some things.” Turned in my papers at the end of the semester.

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
Reply to  Severian
4 months ago

Look at the makeup of graduate students when you were a student and compare that to today’s crop. It’s over.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Yves Vannes
4 months ago

Considering that one must have a degree for a Management State career, meet our future rulers.
 
Ye gods. It’s a lock. They can’t hire out of the phone book, per the hiring regs. They must choose from this cesspool.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Severian
4 months ago

Remember that old Mercedes commercial that was based on the history of M-B cars….it just sort of skipped over the 30s and 40s and picked back up at LeMans in the 50s? Hell, when taking a years worth of Modern German history, Peter Hayes made us read most of Mein Kampf–sort of hard to understand the period without doing that. These poor kids would spontaneously combust.

Severian
Reply to  SamlAdams
4 months ago

I have no idea how eminent scholars keep their heads from exploding. No doubt they agree with these goons politically… But “agreeing with these goons” entails, necessarily, that your life’s work is meaningless at best, one step from thoughtcrime at worst. Denial is an amazing thing, and no one is better at it than scholars, but still…

Severian
4 months ago

The Mob analogy is a good one. Ironically this might lead to the restoration of some kind of community – there will be neighborhoods that are “radio silent,” where people can get on with their lives, because any online Karen-ing is met with Vinnie and five of his buddies from up the block… There are worse places to live.

jrod
jrod
Reply to  Severian
4 months ago

I like the idea of a radio silent community. I remember when motorcycling in Montana in the 90’s there was a town bragging about the entire town being connected to the internet. Now I could see the appeal of the reverse, a dark enclave.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  jrod
4 months ago
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 months ago

Apparently there’s a whole community of nutjobs living in there who think radio waves make them sick.
 
It’s not the radio waves. It’s the stupid ideas that get beamed across the waves.
 

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Alzaebo
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 months ago

5G. 5G will provide satellite coverage where no infrastructure exists, so not one square meter of the Earth can escape them.

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Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Severian
4 months ago

And the lasagna at the restaurant will be excellent 😀

Member
4 months ago

Related to the current troubles, I saw a Medium article this morning that made my blood boil. It’s comparing Blacks and the current rioting to the Jews and the plagues of Egypt:
 
I Support the Jews But I Wish Moses Wouldn’t Call Down These Plagues
Yes, the pharaoh is problematic and we should protest but locusts are a step too far
 
The sheet hubris, the sheer amount of lying involved in that comparison is breathtaking.

CZ master race
CZ master race
Reply to  Vizzini
4 months ago

If only they wanted to leave as the Israelites did…

Member
Reply to  CZ master race
4 months ago

If only.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
4 months ago

If only they had the same presence here as the Jews ever did in Egypt: none.

Alzaebo
Reply to  bilejones
4 months ago

Both were welfare queens who destroyed the highest civilization on the planet.

What d’ya mean, hubris?

They’re following a tried and true guidebook, that’s why they wrote it.

They don’t use your New Testament. Really they don’t.

Saul was a Jew, hunting Jews, remember?

Jesus didn’t rail against the Roman government. That’s not who he was fighting. He was utterly right.

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tremain
tremain
Reply to  Vizzini
4 months ago

Given the jews are in reality the hyksos who occupied northern egypt even establishing their own dynasties until they were pushed out in 1550 bc to Judea (otherwise known as the exodus). This alluded to by Jewish historian (1st century ad) Josephus Flavius (despite modern historians trying to hide this.
 
They then invented a whole mythology of their own back story and cast themselves as victims when they were the occupiers.
So maybe not that different in reality.
 

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Alzaebo
Reply to  tremain
4 months ago

Didn’t help when the Egyptians erased the very stones memorializing their 200 year rule, but the Egyptians erased the records on rulers they wanted to forget a lot of times.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  tremain
4 months ago

Not even all their own. Heavily borrowed from Babylonians and who knows what else. Voltaire is interesting reading but not recommended for theists 🙂

tremain
tremain
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
4 months ago

voltaire is a shill for the anti-westerns.

Lurker
Lurker
Reply to  Vizzini
4 months ago

Six million of God’s darlings making their way back to Africa with a negro under each arm . I don’t think that God would part the ocean for them , so they’d have to swim for it . The negroes , not known for their aquatic skills , would have to hope the bagel goblins don’t take forty years to make the coast of Africa . 

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Vizzini
4 months ago

Not so fast, you may be onto something. What Promised Land can we send them to? 😀

Member
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
4 months ago

Make Liberia Great Again.

Alzaebo
Reply to  Vizzini
4 months ago

Vizzini, I re-read your comment.
 
Now that’s how it’s done, baby!
That is shaping a Narrative!
 
We are in for the fight of our lives.
These guys are so committed, focused, simply so damm good at what they do.
 
The Wuhan plague is God’s punishment on whites for their racism, amirite?
So. Damn. Good. At what they do.
 

SidVic
SidVic
Member
4 months ago

What it means is that those that have the information control everybody. If you pop up as a problem, your most embarassing intimate, or intemperate actions can be quickly compiled and used against you. Got drunk and bitched about niggers or jews? Masturbated to tenacle porn? bragged about grabbing pussy? Beat the shit out of a suspected child molester of a protected group? Which reminds me. Who was running epstein? We know he was an intellegence asset. That has gone dark. You’d think a leak would emerge, a peep. What did the FBI find on his tapes. I think we… Read more »

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  SidVic
4 months ago

Then there is the Las Vegas shooter. Way too many strange elements in that one.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  SidVic
4 months ago

I can’t. And even if I could, we would both soon be dead because of Them 🙁

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
4 months ago

Whatever happens from here on out we won’t be going back to being allowed to be good economic producer and consumer drones. Every corner of life will require its black square and bent knee…and more and more for them and less and less for you. Crushing A few pockets of resistance will become the required redemptive act for Good Whites ( palace eunuchs) to hold on to some little corner for themselves. The monkey and his organ grinder is a problem once removed. There are vast numbers of Good Whites who will faithfully play anti-White Janissary. Acceleration is no longer… Read more »

3g4m
3g4m
Reply to  Yves Vannes
4 months ago

I’m sorely afraid we’ve already learned – they will, almost to a man (and certainly to every last woman) take to their knees, and remain there.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Yves Vannes
4 months ago

Did you expect otherwise? The US empire is dying and a dying empire will resort to absolutely any lies or degradation to live just one more day.

Epaminondas
Member
4 months ago

Why would any policeman in our future utopia bother to use force? If force cannot be used because of the risk of serious injury, how can the lawless be suppressed? Answer: they can’t.
 
Welcome to anarcho-tyranny.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Epaminondas
4 months ago

A rapid descent now leads to a higher bottom and lesser pain overall. Better to bottom out now than to continue the slow swerve into the ditch and then over the cliff. In case no one noticed, the guard rail just evaporated.

onezeno
Reply to  Epaminondas
4 months ago

Yes, the phrase anarcho-tryanny has never seemed more apt. We’re in an era where whites get arrested for going to church; blacks are allowed to loot major cities and burn down police stations.

bilejones
Member
Reply to  Epaminondas
4 months ago

There will be two worlds.
Those with elected police chiefs- i.e. Sheriffs and those with Appointed police chiefs- major towns and cities with ample diversity. (yeah yeah Portland San Fran yada yada)
Guess which one you should be living in?
 

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Alzaebo
Reply to  Epaminondas
4 months ago

We call it the Department of Safety, DPS.
Not ‘police’ or policing, anymore.
 
The UK calls it Elf’n’Safety.
That’s why their firemen can’t go into a burning building, or the cops into a no-go zone. They might get hurt.
 
What to do then? They stay busy arresting the people who point out that no-go zones even might exist.

levi
levi
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 months ago

No -go zones don’t exist in the Uk, or if they do why don’t you name them?
 
I mean if you’re talking no-go zones why not focus on France or the US.
 
 
 

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TomA
TomA
4 months ago

A lot is going wrong in our society due to the accelerating changes brought on by modern technology and way-to-much leisure time arising from unprecedented affluence. Yes, government will attempt to fix these problems with more nannyism, endless new rules and regulations, and a surveillance state that makes privacy extinct. But this will inevitably lead to a collapse of some sort and a resurrection of real hardship and survival-of -the-fittest competition. Nature wants us to select for smart, strong, and resilient; not fat, lazy, and stupid.

sam the man
Reply to  TomA
4 months ago

We are living now in a ratopia. The earth is too small now, the living is too easy. Human life is being coming to an end on this planet as a flourishing kind of life. But, we see a new step in evolution, remember spacex.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  sam the man
4 months ago

Yeah that will save us. Sure. There is no escpe to a magic new frontier and the special spaxce station to save humanity will be Jared Kushner and special people supping on our suffering from high above.
If you want a real future that’s not Elysium or Max Headroom its going to be 40K or Dune not Star Trek

Alzaebo
Reply to  sam the man
4 months ago

Pressure to leave the nest.

But can we?

The dense microbiome is integral, and it took billions of years of unrelenting effort to create.

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abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Alzaebo
4 months ago

Nicely said . True is there is no pressure to leave the nest. Space is even more profoundly unnatural than the cities that are killing us.
It always amazes me how “progress driven” many American conservatives are, still stuck on a frontier ethos from a century and half ago, acting as if a fully developed world power is still in its exploratory phase.
That needs to stop and if we are to actually have anything to conserve, moving away from the Libertine sentiments of the Enlightenment to a preservation and fertility driven actual Conservatism.
 
 

miforest
Member
Reply to  sam the man
4 months ago

Spacex? really! the idea that we need to go into space is so preposterously stupid it doesn’t think about the infrastructure it took to put up the international space station that was home to a few astronauts. the cost of sustaining even that small place is outrageous .cost to go there is $55m. and you don’t get to stay long for that.

Lorenzo
Lorenzo
Reply to  TomA
4 months ago

A lot is going wrong in our society due to the accelerating changes brought on by modern technology and way-to-much leisure time arising from unprecedented affluence.”
 
If the post-Wuhan economy goes as far South as I think it might, people will have even more free time than they do now but will spend it in soup lines, if there’s any soup to stand in line for.

Yves Vannes
Yves Vannes
Member
Reply to  Lorenzo
4 months ago

We’re probably about to learn that there is no escape from the Malthusian Trap…only a delayed reckoning. 0 A.D. 200 million 1800 1 billion 1900 1.6 billion 1930 2 billion 1960 3 billion 1975 4 billion 1987 5 billion 1999 6 billion 2011 7 billion 2022 8 billion   The industrial revolution was in full swing by 1900 so in 100 years we increase the world population by 4. Four million year to get to 1 billion, 200 to get to 8 billion. At some point we’ll stumble into over stress the system.   The demands for more and more… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Yves Vannes
4 months ago

We have too many people because we don’t really need these many people. But the population will/is level off. We are growing because of delayed death, not births. Really, the world’s age cohorts look like a top. Large die offs (natural) to come. That’s the good news.
 
Bad news is the youngest cohorts are heavily third world and Africa remains a problem. In short, Whites are doing the dying. And it looks like the world average IQ will decline from now on due to that and the end of the Flynn effect.

sam the man
Reply to  TomA
4 months ago

The bravest and the smartest will start new civilization in space

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  sam the man
4 months ago

No they won’t and in any case it will be the money boys up there, Brave men not wanted as they cause trouble.
 
Space is an orbital rat utopia not a valiant colony.
 
Also note that any Lunar or Mars colony if such a thing is possible will have no freedom as one mistake will mean the death of everyone.
 
Mars has no useful water, very little air, no arable land , heavy radiation and soil made of rocket fuel.
 

sam the man
Reply to  abprosper
4 months ago

The money boys will not colonize space because it will be hard and dangerous. The ones that will go will play with DNA to have their offspring survive. Many will die but some will survive. Live adjusts. 1969 with Apollo was a high water mark of western civilization.We went back instead of going forward. Time to resume.

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  sam the man
4 months ago

Don’t be a progressive.

miforest
Member
Reply to  sam the man
4 months ago

hat is nuts . space cannot sustain human life.

Member
4 months ago

Chicken and egg.   If we didn’t have abusive cops, would we care about monitoring them? Of course, to some degree we’re always going to have abusive cops, so there will always be value in monitoring them, but policing Blacks requires more head-knocking than policing Whites does.   This is, as far as I know, an unexplored component in why the Black crime rate rose after Jim Crow was repealed. Of course, the Black crime rate had always been much higher than the White crime rate, but White cops, sheriffs, marshals and citizens were allowed to deal with Black criminality… Read more »

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Vizzini
4 months ago

A few years ago had an interesting conversation with a recently retired NYC Corrections officer who was my Uber driver. He was still pretty young so asked him why he put his papers in. Pretty simple answer–even in an environment like Rikers, there were always generally understood “rules” between the prisoners and officers. Yes, they were violated, but usually easy to spot the ones what would do it. He said the younger ones coming in now were almost uniformly “feral” (his term). Would do anything at any time to anybody. Between cumulative injuries and having to work 100% hypervigilant, he… Read more »

Stranger in a strange land
Stranger in a strange land
4 months ago

Brave new world: All police chiefs / officers are women who were / are HR specialists. Cops on the beat are any POC with permission / encouragement to find white people to beat (funny…huh?). Sociopaths encouraged to apply.
 
 

vxxc💂🏻‍♂️😉 Toxic masculinity vector
4 months ago

There are no men on the walls, and that secret is out.

The people may not be exhausted but the defenders are, and they’ve had enough.

Meanwhile our very own Marshall Petain signals not to shoot; on this Mad Dog may be taken seriously, The one ruthless decision he made in Iraq was to betray his own Marines at Haditha. See Haditha 7.

I refer to Mattis denouncing Trump, also Dempsey. Both are signaling don’t shoot.

Trump is alone, but so is the government at all levels.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard

See this tweet from the official Joint Chiefs of Staff account:
 
https://mobile.twitter.com/davidallengreen/status/1268457947383947265
 
Not good at all.

Diversity Heretic
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 months ago

It’s especially troubling because the idea of men being born equal is in the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution. The 14th Amendment does speak of “equal protection of the laws,” but that’s a long way from personal equality. That a senior member of the U.S. military has such a twisted notion of the founding principles of this country is quite concerning.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
4 months ago

The Declaration of Independence, of course is important to our country, but surprisingly, it has no legal standing. And this “equality” thing has caused myriad problems. People are not equal by any measure, not even wealthy White male land owners.
 
 

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Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
4 months ago

DoI is a “foundational” document. Correct, not law. Nonetheless it can be understood as aspirational—even though as you said, misinterpreted wrt “equality” under law.

Diversity Heretic
Member

Your comparison is unfair to Marshall Philippe Pétain, who was called in after France suffered a catastrophic defeat, in which he participated not one bit (he was French ambassador to Spain). The French National Assembly voted him full authority to form a government and he probably did as well as anyone in preserving some kind of French autonomy until ultimate German invasion and occupation of all of France. And he was 84 when called to power. As the French say, La vieillese est un naufrage. (Old age is a shipwreck.)   A better historical person for your comparison might be… Read more »

Tykebomb
Tykebomb
4 months ago

I’ve lost a lot of sympathy for cops over the past few days. The kneeling really bugs me. That was a dam break for a lot of anti-cop thoughts. Why are they no knocking people in the middle of the night? Remember when they did that to a nice white, Republican couple over some NRA shit?   The fact is that the cops that BLM are calling to be abolished are agents on the payroll of our enemies. Their only reason to oppose us are the very paychecks that their masters want to cut.   The only downside that we… Read more »

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Tykebomb
4 months ago

The kneeling really bugs me. 

 
Kneeling is a form prostration to which submission of your life is granted to someone, or something, else. In my experience, its almost always been religious folks kneeling before the Lord, fun times with the woman, and people kneeling to be executed. Cops doing so makes absolutely no sense. They just look like pussies. Love’em or hate’em, a cop’s job is to project force and looking like they can.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Forever Templar
4 months ago

The kneeling is the breaking of the will, and subsuming it to the powers that be. It will be required soon, like us older guys who used to do the pledge of allegiance in school every day.
IMO, the kneeling is personal in a way that no other affirmative action or other jogger tax is. The others are impositions, but the kneeling is BOHICA, up close and personal.

David_Wright
Member
Reply to  Forever Templar
4 months ago

Kneel before Zod!

tremain
tremain
Reply to  David_Wright
4 months ago

Zog

Tykebomb
Tykebomb
Reply to  tremain
4 months ago

Nog

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Tykebomb
4 months ago

Cog.

Diversity Heretic
Member
Reply to  Forever Templar
4 months ago

In the ceremony of vassalage, the vassal knelt before his lord, placed his hands between those of the lord and promised to be the lord’s man. The lord then promised protection for the vassal and they exchanged a kiss to seal the relationship. Kneeling before another man (kneeling before a priest was okay because he represented God) was considered so demeaning that a man would do it only as part of an elaborate ceremony that permitted him to retain his self-respect.   Hell, a man only bows and a lady only curtsies before a monarch–they don’t kneel. Kneeling without a… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
4 months ago

An apt—and only correct summery—for Western culture. Kneeling to joggers and their like is entirely another matter. Such will get you and your progeny eliminated from the gene pool. 🙁

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Forever Templar
4 months ago

Oh, don’t worry about those cops.
 
They are more than willing to roll hard and heavy on any white that dares go to church or open their small business.
 
The real question is – what are whites going to do in those scenarios?

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
4 months ago

Those white cops are going to be replace by gangs ofblacks and insane good whites.
Why do you think there is a big push to defund and gut the police as they stand right now.

CAPT S
CAPT S
Reply to  Tykebomb
4 months ago

Kneeling really screws up my sight picture. I’m willing to go absolutely prone before an enemy … it’s the preferred shooting position when using a bipod.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  CAPT S
4 months ago

That’s only if they are a long ways away if they are up close shooting from the hip is more than adequate…

bilejones
Member
4 months ago

The peasants are merely doing to their overlords what the overlords have long aspired to do to the peasants.

Nunnya Bidnez, jr
Nunnya Bidnez, jr
Reply to  bilejones
4 months ago

The peasants are revolting..
 
They certainly are!

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
4 months ago

But tech is here to stay, right? At the expense of civilization and humanity? Something’s got to give.

Chryus
Chryus
4 months ago

The HBO series Watchmen is a SJW jerkfest but it does show some possible future developments. For instance the police on the show are all in masks to prevent them from being targeted off duty.
The criminals of course are some mysterious white racist group provided as convenient fodder for the black heroine to beat up.
Why she and her black stay at home husband are even raising some white deadbeats kids. He stops by from time to time to squeeze them for money. Mighty white of them I think.

Member
Reply to  Chryus
4 months ago

Don’t even pollute your mind with that crap.

Major Hoople
Major Hoople
Member
Reply to  Chryus
4 months ago

Seriously, you have to turn that stuff off. Filling your spare time with bad propaganda undermines your thinking.

Reziac
Reziac
4 months ago

I’ve heard that some police departments already will only send black officers to deal with incidents involving black perps. Day maybe coming when cops must be 100% black to avoid the spectre of “whitey beatin’ a black man” and all that entails.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Reziac
4 months ago

I think that once they have their own homelands or preserves, their law envforcement should be the same race 😀

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
4 months ago

Here’s the trash the Sergeant of the US Army is posting on his official Twitter:

https://mobile.twitter.com/16thSma

We are deep shit folks.