The Great Stagger

One of the curious things about the Roman Empire is how it managed to stagger on for so long after the second century. The third century is actually called The Crisis of the Third Century, because the empire was in chaos. Yet, the empire managed to get through that period and carry on for roughly two more centuries. In time, Historians will probably puzzle over the same question regarding America. How is that it staggers on despite the obvious problems?

A popular theme in science fiction is one where the human explorers stumble upon alien technology and they are baffled as to what it does. It’s not that they know the purpose but cannot figure out how to make it work. It’s that they don’t understand the purpose of the technology. The implication is that the aliens were so advanced that they were creating tools to solve problems humans have yet to contemplate. The gap between the aliens and humans is so great that it cannot be bridged.

It is a useful thing to keep in mind when thinking about the modern world. The evidence is pretty good that Western man is dumber than his ancestors. We have more overall knowledge than our ancestors, but our ability to add to it is in sharp decline along with our ability to use it. The people in charge now struggle to do the basics of government, like maintain order and the infrastructure. In America, streets are crumbling and there are regular power failures in parts of the country.

A good small-scale example is the city of Baltimore. All of the machinery that was put in place back when it was an important city is still in place. The people running that machinery today are not doing so well. They clearly lack the intellectual firepower to operate that machinery. Baltimore is one of the most dangerous cities in the world and it is suffering from a steady population decline. The political class is so incompetent they can’t even run the graft system properly.

This was all true before the Covid panic. One thing that kept Baltimore afloat was the tourist and sports industry. In the summer, tourists would come to the well-guarded inner harbor. People from the surrounding areas would come in for sports games and the surrounding restaurants. All of that was shuttered by the panic, which means the tens of millions in tax dollars never arrived. Then there is the cost of the Covid panic itself, which has further crippled the city administration.

When you look at many American cities like Baltimore, St. Louis, Detroit, Newark and so on, the question is not “How did they get to this point?” The question is, “How have they not collapsed by now?” Part of it, of course, is the surrounding infrastructure that keeps them propped up. In the case of Baltimore, the rest of the state is taxed to keep Baltimore City government going. Federal dollars pour in to keep the cops on the streets and the schools open for business.

That’s fine for cities, but that cannot work for the country as a whole. Like those cities, the national government is increasing incompetent. Both official political parties are in such steep decline that the next election will offer a choice between a carny barker and a dementia patient. The sober minded will always feels as if the current age sits on the shoulder’s of giants, but the gap between the best we have today and just a few generations ago is breathtaking.

The only thing the political elite is good at doing is keeping the public at one another’s throat over trivia. This is why Trump in President. His main skill as a politician is to stir the pot and cause outrage. He’s a terribly inflamed hemorrhoid on the political ass of the establishment. The upcoming circus over the Supreme Court nominee promises six weeks of television mayhem. The shouting and shrieking, of course, will be from the political class itself, not an outraged public.

One can dismiss that as “bread and circuses” but that does not explain how the country staggers on despite it all. For six months the government at all levels has been sabotaging the economy and civic life with the Covid panic. Tens of millions have been thrown out of work. No one knows how many businesses have closed for good due to the Covid lock downs. Food lines are popping up in the suburbs. How is it that none of this has resulted in civil unrest or at least a few protests?

Of course, no one can really know what is happening. The media told us over 50 million people were thrown out of work due to the panic. The empty streets seem to confirm it, but they also tell us unemployment is below 10%. The stock market has returned to the levels it was at before the panic. The media also tells us that the riots we saw over the summer were a figment of our imagination. How can anything work when no one can be sure of anything being told to them by the rulers?

Like Rome for close to three centuries, America staggers on, despite the problems and the decline of the ruling class. In the case of Rome, there was no organized force capable of toppling her. In the case of America, the global order assumes America will be the pivot point, the fulcrum on which order balances. As long as people are being fed and have shelter, they will not rise up to challenge the rulers. Like Rome, the great stagger will continue until the corpse of the empire collapses.

The thing to keep in mind, though, is that when Rome was finally sacked by the Visogoths, the rest of the known world was stunned. St. Jerome wrote in grief, “If Rome can perish, what can be safe?” In other words, for a very long time people knew the empire was a shell of its former glory and Rome itself was no longer what it was. People just got used to the permanent state of decline. It was their normal. Most likely, American decline will become the new normal too.

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SamlAdams
SamlAdams
22 days ago

We were supposed to have flying cars by now, instead we have….TikTok.

JustaProle
JustaProle
Reply to  SamlAdams
22 days ago

It turns out the fat dancing nurses were causing the flying cars to crash, so for the safety of everyone, Tiktok was decided for us.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  JustaProle
22 days ago

What is considered “tech” today – tik-tok, FB, Uber, Lyft, Door-Dash – says a lot about the times.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  skeptic16
21 days ago

And hi-tech designer masks. Don’t forget those.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  SamlAdams
22 days ago

TikTok…gateway drug for the future ruined women of OnlyFans.

Carny Barker T is right to try and ban it, but probably not for the reasons he’s stated.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  SamlAdams
22 days ago

and witch doctors

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  SamlAdams
22 days ago

Oh I dunno, SA. We have telescopes that can see back to the beginning of time, and planets in other star systems. In addition to Tik Tok, you have the sum of all mankind’s knowledge on your cell phone. Your cars are beginning to drive themselves and will soon be doing a better job of it than you will. Were we not flushing billions of dollars on negroes, we could seriously discuss a manned Mars mission and possibly mining the asteroid belt. Our blog host may be entirely correct but I might disagree. We are not getting stupid – we… Read more »

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Glenfilthie
22 days ago

And who, exactly, made the decision to dump so much money and resources and time into ‘diversity?’ You might as well be saying ‘if things were different, then things would be different’ We were promised flying cars. That’s what we were promised! Flying cars, not Teslas. Of course, flying cars was always a lie. It was a promise of magic. It was just a product of extrapolating the recent past far into the future. Asteroid belt mining? More magic. A Mars colony? More magic still. A solid gold asteroid would still cost more money to mine and trasport than what… Read more »

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  tarstarkas
22 days ago

Good point. All the above is just smoke and mirrors. Stunts designed to distract us from real issues. Outer space is doable, but not with 50 yo technology—yet where is the effort to build and test the new technology? Here I’m siding with Z-man (and Dutton) and the concept of creeping stupidity. Part due to dysgenic and part due to diversity and AA.

BadThinker
BadThinker
Reply to  CompscI
22 days ago

Guys like Musk are on the edge doing it with new rockets, fuels, and engines (and white men), but our side won’t get out to defend him even if he is a bit of an idiot sometimes (Grimes? Seriously?)

Last edited 22 days ago by BadThinker
Member
Reply to  BadThinker
22 days ago

I see Musk the way I see Trump. He’s a smart guy who occasionally thinks with his dick. Historically, this is not a new problem and if we refused to support men who have this problem who would be left? To me his biggest sin is actually giving in (presumably) to his ho in naming their kid a bunch of line noise and promising to raise him “gender neutral”. Then again who knows how much of that is even true?

R7 Rocket
R7 Rocket
Reply to  pozymandias
22 days ago

Prophet Elon has seven sons, is there anyone here who could make the same claim?

With Starship development moving at a rapid pace, Prophet Elon is dead serious about making Mankind multiplanetary.

There’s a lot of ignorance about spaceflight over here (but that’s true of any forum outside of Nasaspaceflight forums). Anyone who makes assumptions about space travel, but intentionally leaves the Falcon 9 and SpaceX Starship out of those assumptions must not be taken seriously.

I confronted one such person on Jim’s Blog, “Gedeon.”
https://blog.jim.com/party-politics/the-real-election-platform/#comment-2670487

BerndV
Member
Reply to  R7 Rocket
20 days ago

Multi-planetary mankind has some serious biological limitations that likely doom the project. Humans arriving on new planets would be weak, low IQ, and have lousy eyesight. That is assuming we could survive the journey without too much damage to our DNA. In our present biological form, we are inextricably bound to earth.

Alfred Doolittle
Alfred Doolittle
Reply to  pozymandias
21 days ago

Musks dad is a badass- he killed 3 (or something like that) SA joggers who came in his house to appreciate the architecture. Musk hates him, although perhaps for other reasons.

Alfred Doolittle
Alfred Doolittle
Reply to  pozymandias
21 days ago

copy

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usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  CompscI
22 days ago

Seemingly everything is degraded in the never ending effort to make joggers feel important and good about themselves while at the same time making Whites feel good about themselves for making joggers feel good – that’s all that matters anymore. It’s such a quasi virtuous, yet utterly worthless circle (jerk).

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Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  tarstarkas
22 days ago

Not trying to be a dink, T. I don’t defend this or like any of it either. But, the dissidents must keep things in historical perspective if they hope to succeed. I get where you’re going with the flying cars, jet packs and golfing on the moon. My grandad was born in 1898. He saw the Wright brothers fly and men land on the moon. He fought in the first world war and was a camp cook in the second. He and his older boys rode with the bums on top of trains during the 30’s looking for work. When… Read more »

Member
Reply to  tarstarkas
22 days ago

A lot of these ideas look like magic because there’s never been a coherent development plan. If you want to get humans out into the solar system you start in 1969. You build a very small, simple moon base and start prospecting for metals near impact craters. The moon’s lower gravity and far lower escape velocity make it possible to build out from there instead of earth. Of course, to make up for lost time we should be looking at space elevators or, as Musk is doing, just really gigantic rockets to overcome the Earth’s deep gravity well by brute… Read more »

Zaphod
Zaphod
Reply to  pozymandias
22 days ago

Moldbuggerer.

You, Sir, win the Internet today.

Thiel has got his head mostly screwed on the right way. Can’t stand much of his sidekick Weinstein though.

Just for the record: I for one welcome our incoming Palantir Drone Missiles.

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
Reply to  tarstarkas
22 days ago

If Aunt Martha had balls, she’d be Uncle Bob.

This isn’t the future we were promised. It’s the future we were warned about.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Glenfilthie
22 days ago

All that knowledge and yet Millennials don’t know how to make babies

Au Jus
Au Jus
Member
Reply to  Glenfilthie
22 days ago

Hear, hear, well said…

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Glenfilthie
22 days ago

Glenfilthie, why can’t we have supersonic international jet travel anymore, if the question is just money? It is bc the answer is intelligence, IQ, and the decline of the western intellect due to disgenic societal trends.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Educated.redneck
22 days ago

It’s because the Concorde was loud — breaking the sound barrier is loud — finicky and constrained by basic physics. Supersonic transports and Musk’s rockets all come up against the same basic physics equations: as you increase the mass and the velocity of whatever you are trying to move linearly, the energy required to move it at a particular speed increases geometrically. The Concorde or any supersonic jet uses so much more fuel to reach supersonic speeds than a much bigger jet traveling slower that it is always a vanity project. Also, the stresses that the airframe is under at… Read more »

ChicagoRodent
ChicagoRodent
Reply to  Vizzini
22 days ago

Excellent summation.

Zaphod
Zaphod
Reply to  Educated.redneck
22 days ago

Apart from the Duttonesque secular IQ decline arguments I think it’s also that the oligarchs don’t *need* supersonic travel that much. They can get wherever they need to go in as much time as they feel like taking in their Gulfstreams. When you wait for nobody but everybody waits for you, why hurry?

Late Stage Concorde was for socialites and Managerialist Bugmen in a hurry to serve their Oligarch Overlords.

Sid
Sid
Member
Reply to  Educated.redneck
22 days ago

Dna has just been confirmed be the hereditary material and it’s code broken in just the last hundred years. Forget flying cars. Imagine a population of fecund designer humans with an average 180 IQ. Maybe an AI interface. Maybe a horror show, neurotic bulb headed weirdos that will preclude natural childbirth. But I suspect not. if some billionaire doesn’t pull the trigger the Chinese will. It’s a foregone conclusion. Farmers keep farming and the nignogs keep nignoging. Discussions of the collapse of civilization are probaly academic and to be superseded by technology. we might get lucky that way.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Glenfilthie
22 days ago

Overall you’re correct, but you have cause and effect reversed (at least if Fuerle is correct.) We aren’t getting lazier because we’re stupider, just the opposite in fact. I’m well qualified to comment on sloth; intelligence we can leave open to debate 🙂 According to the theory of evolution, the brain “needed” to get bigger for man to cope in more challenging environments. Thus brain size (and IQ) peaks with the European and Asian humans. Derbyshire calls these the “Ice People.” And so they are. You need more smarts to survive in a climate with four seasons, especially if a… Read more »

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Bill Mullins
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Reply to  SamlAdams
22 days ago

Mostly because TikTok was a WHOLE lot easier to implement than flying cars. From an engineering standpoint a “flying car” is almost an oxymoron. Absent controlled gravity, about the best you can hope for is a roadable aircraft. Even then you face the whole problem of the vehicle’s operators being dumber than a fence post and having the situational awareness of granite. That combination is bad enough when you’re only talking about movement in 2 dimensions along certain well-defined corridors. Add in the 3rd dimension and you’ve got a recipe for a whole lot of funerals. The only reason more… Read more »

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Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Bill Mullins
22 days ago

The best comparison I’ve seen along these lines is the amphibious ship: drives like a boat, sails like a car. And anyway, who wants to be a mile off the ground in a multipurpose vehicle?

ChicagoRodent
ChicagoRodent
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
22 days ago

I wouldn’t mind. It’s been a while, but I have 1600 logged skydives. I’d jump that thing just to be enabled to say, “first!”

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
22 days ago

Not me

I hate flying as it is

There is a flight from Sardinia to Florence. It goes up, then goes down. But doesn’t feel like flying. I swear to God it feels like you are being suspended by a thread in the sky. And it could snap any time. Creepiest thing.

Member
Reply to  Bill Mullins
22 days ago

They would have made excellent herd thinners though.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Bill Mullins
22 days ago

Right. If you have a major mechanical failure in your car, you coast over to the side of the road and call AAA. If you have a major mechanical failure in your aircraft, you have a problem. “Um, AAA? I’m 20 miles west of Philadelphia at 8000, um, no, 7000 feet. Can you hurry?”

James O'Meara
James O'Meara
Reply to  SamlAdams
22 days ago

We were promised Cinemax lesbians, and instead we got blue-haired land whales

DFCtomm
Member
Reply to  SamlAdams
22 days ago

You were never, ever going to have flying cars. Anybody that has ever flew a plane knows this. There is no triple A in the sky and so there was never going to be flying cars available to the masses, at least not until they are completely automated. And it’s not because we can’t make a flying car. It’s because the general population is too stupid to use one.

Last edited 22 days ago by DFCtomm
Severian
22 days ago

I’m convinced inertia is by far the strongest force in human affairs. You can boil the whole Enlightenment down to “the fight against social inertia” and not lose anything important. Why do the peasants keep doing X? Wouldn’t it be so much more rational to do Y? (Modernity, by contrast, is the dogged refusal to acknowledge that the peasants were doing the right thing, because they were doing it for the wrong reasons).

Editor George
Editor George
Reply to  Severian
22 days ago

There is also a psychological type, we’ll call it the Hate Reformer, whose attitude is, their ways are bad because they are their ways, therefore the ways must be changed.

Which will probably hurt the people being “reformed” anyway, a benefit if they’re not your people (in class and/or race) to begin with. Doing harm to your enemies while thinking of yourself doing good–a nice little psychological trick!

Of course, this is also a nice little trick to scoop up power: in order to change their ways, I shall need power.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Editor George
22 days ago

This piece at American Mind explores your point quite well:

https://americanmind.org/essays/revolution-2020/

Doug
Doug
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
22 days ago

Agreed, an interesting essay. I linked to it about three threads ago.

Severian
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
22 days ago

Thanks for the link.

AnotherAnon
AnotherAnon
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
22 days ago

This article is a nice reminder that our only real privilege is being born during any snippet of the civilizational peak. Victims and billionaires alike.

Evil Sandmich
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
22 days ago

Wow, I don’t think I’ve ever read a political op-ed that long which had so many notable quips.

onezeno
Reply to  Severian
22 days ago

Great summary. But I have to wonder, wasn’t the Enlightenment more concerned about what the rulers were doing, rather than the peasants? I’m much more familiar with the American side of things than what the Scots like Locke were saying. The book A Struggle For Power really made the case that the freedom movement was all about gaining autonomy from the Crown foremost, and then filling in whatever political philosophy was necessary to maintain a moral high ground.

CAPT S
CAPT S
22 days ago

It’s interesting to view time-lapse graphs of historical collapses; i.e. they’re not bell-shaped curves, particularly at the end. Towards the end most civilizations decline somewhat and then plateau – or stagger – almost as if by habit. And then – cataclysm. It seems for civilizations there’s always a straw that breaks the camel’s back.

Another interesting area to pursue is the default position of man – are we inherently civilized or congenital barbarians? It seems that once a civilization assumes man’s default is perpetual enlightenment, then cataclysm is nigh.

Last edited 22 days ago by CAPT S
JustaProle
JustaProle
Reply to  CAPT S
22 days ago

Reminds me of the Hemingway line, “How did you go bankrupt? Two ways. Gradually, then suddenly.”

x-Ray Dig
x-Ray Dig
Reply to  thezman
21 days ago

If anyone is interested, here are links to three essays which nicely detail the revolution in progress. I highly recommend each of them:

https://americanmind.org/essays/revolution-2020/
https://americanmind.org/essays/our-revolutions-logic/
https://claremontreviewofbooks.com/digital/after-the-republic/

In the second one, the author suggests increased federalism as a solution. I honestly don’t think that’s going to happen because the left believes its enemies to be immoral and deserving of punishment. They’d interpret that as letting wrongdoers walk free, which would only encourage them further. This will not be solved without a total break from the system.

Military Advisor
Military Advisor
Reply to  CAPT S
22 days ago

Here’s your cataclysm, courtesy of two white female “journalists” at Politico:

Esper promised more diversity at the Pentagon. The White House had other ideas.”

Brooks urged Esper to push back on the appointments of white men to senior positions at DoD, noting “his role as a civilian is to look out for the interests of the department and he is not safeguarding those interests.”

Pray that war with China never comes.

Bill Mullins
Member
Reply to  Military Advisor
22 days ago

The Chinese have no capacity to project force more than a few miles beyond their own borders. ICBMs are nice for wreaking mayhem but to take and hold ground requires boots on the ground. Said boots have first to be transported and then supported. That would be a real chore with a logistical chain reaching clear across the Pacific. Even if China did invade, they would still face the gauntlet of Yamamoto’s (possibly apocryphal) “rifle behind each blade of grass”. Hell! You’d have Skinheads and gang bangers standing shoulder to shoulder fighting them. And don’t forget how many – heavily armed… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Bill Mullins
22 days ago

The bottom line is the Empire’s mandarins are not going to risk their own dying in a nuclear exchange. It is one thing to send young Southern and Midwestern Whites to fight for Greater Judea and Samaria. It is quite another to have actual skin in the game. This is an even greater consideration than the outright graft the PRC funnels to the same people. It would be darkly amusing if we did come to the brink of a nuclear exchange for these reasons, though.

Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Bill Mullins
22 days ago

Or they can just do what the U.S. does and send over some “advisors” and a dump truck of cash to put an allied militia together.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
22 days ago

Assuming they haven’t already. I wonder who owns what on the west coast port towns?

miforest
Member
Reply to  Bill Mullins
22 days ago

the Chinese already won. see my long comment above

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Bill Mullins
22 days ago

If they were smart (and I hear rumors they are) they would Hannibal’s approach.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Bill Mullins
22 days ago

Well Bill, the idea is the ChiComs just need to tip the hive over, then we will defeat ourselves via civil war. The left is already plotting a military coup for November, exactly how much (more) destabilization would it take to turn DC into Mogadishu?

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Bill Mullins
22 days ago

This is true. Given the US news wouldn’t cover the news if Cthulhu was eating Delaware I’ve ended up looking elsewhere. This ends up with various South Asian sources many of whom are thinly described Indian propaganda. One takeaway though that things in that region are not good. India is moving large number so troops to its border (50K is big even for that nation) do to skirmishing with China. Also Russia is having piss poor relations with China these days and rumor has it and its only rumor that China would like to make a run at Vladivostok. There… Read more »

Member
Reply to  abprosper
22 days ago

This is actually what I see as the most likely scenario too. The Chinese are a paper tiger barely able to hold their own grimy, overpopulated, totalitarian shithole together. They are NOT overrunning Kansas anytime soon. The US and China are now so entwined economically and politically that when one blows up the other will too. This leaves basically Russia, India, and Europe to work things out. By the way, YouTube has decided that I like those Indian propaganda videos you mention. They’re hilarious, every other day, India and China have a war it seems. Then again, every reality is… Read more »

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  abprosper
22 days ago

Haven’t you heard? Cthulhu isn’t eating Delaware. He’s eating Russians in the Antarctic!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/video/viral/russian-scientist-claims-team-battled-creature-under-antarctic-ice/vi-BB19qoIA

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Vizzini
22 days ago

Sounds like more than a slight relevance to Lovecraft’s novel (below)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_the_Mountains_of_Madness
Not sure if Cthulu appears, but his relatives certainly. Russians not on menu but others are. Also, set in Antarctica, which in a manner of speaking, the only truly white homeland, yet one that nobody is waiting in line to colonize.

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MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
22 days ago

The Elder Things, they of the massive Antarctic cities, fought Cthulhu to enough of a draw that he left them alone.

It was something else that they dared not speak of that forced the plant-men under the seas permanently…that and letting the Shoggoths get uppity.

Penny Thought
Penny Thought
Reply to  Bill Mullins
22 days ago

China now has a world-class navy with destroyers on par with our own. They can likely already defeat the United States around Taiwan and from that point they’ll be able to defeat the navy ever farther out. This is why the United States dropped the INF treaty under false pretenses: the balance of power has changed so dramatically that if a war happened right now between the United States and China, the Chinese would probably end up successfully invading Taiwan, South Korea, and maybe even Japan. At the rate they are building ships and aircraft carriers, they can probably defeat… Read more »

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Penny Thought
21 days ago

You play too many video games.

ExPraliteMonk
ExPraliteMonk
Reply to  Military Advisor
22 days ago

The US Marines are replacing battle tanks with land-based portable anti-ship missiles. They’re planning on island-hopping like it’s 1945.

Last edited 22 days ago by ExPraliteMonk
Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  ExPraliteMonk
22 days ago

Another problem with being a aging, too reliant on technology superpower is this: those billion-dollar planes, not much cheaper tanks, floating cities called ships, and so on, are all wonderful and very expensive toys for our service members to play with, and very profitable for the military-industrial complex as well. [Next, please forgive my obvious lack of technical detail, but consdier the argument instead.] A further problem is the solider of the West. He or she comes from relative affluence, has a relatively nice civilian life to return to, and as a rule, is not highly motivated to risk health… Read more »

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  ExPraliteMonk
22 days ago

The US military are not planning on fighting the last war, or the one before that, they’re going back three quarters of a century to a war they can legitimately claim to have won.

miforest
Member
Reply to  Military Advisor
22 days ago

https://summit.news/2020/09/28/researcher-suggests-deliberate-chinese-propaganda-campaign-forced-world-into-lockdown/ we lost the war with china in march. their wuhan attack drove us all mad . instead of sending bombers to destroy our businesses , productive infrastructure and productive capacity, we destroyed it for them with lockdowns . We placed our population on house arrest for them . and we granted their representative unlimited power to rule as they pleased . no “constitutional challenge” to the eleminatation of religion, the courts were on board. those who were stubborn enough to try to continue to go to religious services had to make reservations to attend. they will be dealt with… Read more »

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Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  miforest
22 days ago

As much as I hate to admit losing, I think you have a point

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  CAPT S
22 days ago

Done turnaround work for years. Every single time the problems that crashed the business were readily apparent (not just in hindsight) but the effort to fix was far more than the effort required to just coast. Never underestimate the inertia caused by people just trying to score a few more bonuses and retire. Always argued that the larger an organization gets the greater the proportion of resources devoted to merely trying to stave off entropy.

Last edited 22 days ago by SamlAdams
Tim from Nashua
Tim from Nashua
Reply to  SamlAdams
22 days ago

Hospitals are a great example of the inertia of people just trying to get to retirement, carrying the hospitals along until then(I work at a hospital). Gonna be a fall off, because the nurses I’m seeing hired as replacements are mostly Vibrants.

Au Jus
Au Jus
Member
Reply to  Tim from Nashua
22 days ago

As a hospital executive I can attest to this…

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Au Jus
22 days ago

My daughter worked as a traveling surgical technician for several years, so she saw a lot of different hospitals.

Diversity was a curse, not only for the social conflicts but because with immigrant nurses and doctors, there were frequent communications errors that threatened patients lives. Three different primary languages being spoken in the operating room is not a good thing.

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DLS
DLS
Reply to  SamlAdams
22 days ago

The other reason large organizations fail is they are terrible at creating new products beyond their current line. The perfect example is when engineers at Xerox created windows and the mouse, and management had no idea what to do with it. So they allowed Bill Gates to steal it and take it to a market they couldn’t conceive of.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  DLS
22 days ago

I though Steve Jobs stole it first. Gates stole DOS.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  skeptic16
22 days ago

Gate bought dos, Jobs stole the mouse. But stole is disputable. There was no patent on such an idea as a mouse and iconic displays.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  skeptic16
22 days ago

They were pretty close in timing. Here is the history: By 1982, the Xerox 8010 was probably the best-known computer with a mouse. The Sun-1 also came with a mouse, and the forthcoming Apple Lisa was rumored to use one, but the peripheral remained obscure; Jack Hawley of The Mouse House reported that one buyer for a large organization believed at first that his company sold lab mice. Hawley, who manufactured mice for Xerox, stated that “Practically, I have the market all to myself right now”; a Hawley mouse cost $415.[33] In 1982, Logitech introduced the P4 Mouse at the… Read more »

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  DLS
22 days ago

Xerox also pioneered: the network (Ethernet), the graphical user interface (Smalltalk). Probably other stuff I’m unaware of. I don’t know if it’s fair to claim Jobs of (future) Apple “stole” these technologies. You have to consider that the compters Xerox used in research were probably 10-100x costlier than the MacIntosh that would appear in about ten years. In other words, they probably could not have conceived of a broad market for these inventions.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
22 days ago

Something about Rochester NY based companies that are innovative but fail to exploit their innovations. Kodak invented tge digital camera. But they were afraid of killing their film business. Is Xerox still around?

tonaludatus
tonaludatus
Reply to  SamlAdams
21 days ago

inertia does not increase entropy, friction does

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  CAPT S
22 days ago

Ask 95% of the US population about the Austrian Empire succeeded by the Austria-Hungarian Empire. MASSIVE European land power. Amazing art, music, culture;existed about 120 years.

Now dust, and now most Americans don’t know anything about it. Gone as it it never existed.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  ProZNoV
22 days ago

The Empire is gone because of Americans.
But it’s not dust. The people and the history have been preserved. I don’t think the same will be possible for the US.

CAPT S
CAPT S
Reply to  ProZNoV
22 days ago

Exactly. Interesting to contrast the fan base of Handel to that of Cardi B. Francis Schaeffer is great reading on this issue if you don’t mind the Christian worldview. He analyzed the descending staircase of civilizational collapse. Degredation is a trickle-down beginning with philosophy and academia, then the arts, then the general culture … and then interestingly – theological collapse. (Rather evident in 95% of American churches – an effeminate male or female pastor, coupled with liberal theology, blended with milquetoast pew-warmers. Result? Disaster.) Theological ridiculousness made way for the new progressive religion. As a Christian I blame most of… Read more »

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  ProZNoV
22 days ago

I am reading Sean McMeekin’s “July 1914”. What a clusterfuck the Austrian-Hungarian empire was.
Takeaways so far:
Multiethnic polities don’t work.
Alliances don’t deter war but expand them once they start.
Never give your ally a blank check.
Alliance almost always work to the detriment of the stronger power.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  skeptic16
22 days ago

“Cataclysm – The First World War as Political Tragedy” by David Stevenon another gread book on the subject; sounds like much the same by way of conclusions.

Wonder if the future of the American Empire will do something similar to the Austrians allying with the Hungarians, only to regret it? US and Mexico, perhaps?

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Hun
Hun
Reply to  ProZNoV
22 days ago

Austrians didn’t “ally” with Hungarians. the Kingdom Hungary was part of the Habsburg monarchy and later Austrian Empire until the compromise of 1867 which turned the same lands into Austria-Hungary.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Hun
22 days ago

European history is…complicated, no? Technically a constitutional dual monarchy; the Habsburgs did a terrible job keeping the Hungarian side pulling their weight for the entire doomed mess.

End of empire, end of aristocracy, rise of nationalism fed by mass media and a multi-ethnic population, religious strife, border pressures from the “Great Game”….lots of interesting fodder to be had.

Eye glazing-ly dull for most people. But..you are correct.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Reply to  Hun
22 days ago

I was referring to the German alliance with AH. They said do what you must with Serbia but do it quickly. We don’t think Russia will mobilize.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  skeptic16
22 days ago

Wasn’t it Washington who warned against foreign entanglements? Name one major domenstic problem today that isn’t at least partially related to treaties, alliances, prior wars, our “imperialism,” etc.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
22 days ago

Yes. If you’ve ever watched the HBO miniseries “John Adams” Washington tells the French ambassador that “The United States is a new and independent nation and can’t allow ourselves to get involved in your dispute with Great Britain.”

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  skeptic16
22 days ago

Thus England’s promise to defend Belgian neutrality. Only cost them empire, nearly 1mm dead and millions more wounded. That war was doomsday for them, among others.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  ProZNoV
22 days ago

ProZ, that hits like a hammer.

We can’t imagine America being forgotten… but what if we are simply, steadily written out of the record?

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  CAPT S
22 days ago

Advances in transportation and communication mean things move a lot faster these days. I’d guess the empire might stagger on for a couple of decades instead of a couple of centuries.

Also it seems forgotten how much violence and blood went into building society. If we remembered that we would be more conservative in our attitude.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Paintersforms
22 days ago

Well, to my mind America is already dead. What we’re living in right now is a shambling–or staggering–corpse that continues to call itself America. And, if you doubt that America is dead, ask yourself this–would America, the genuine America, ever suffer the twin tyrannies of Covid oppression and black, urban mayhem? I think not.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
22 days ago

America is still there and will be as long as there are Americans. Problem is we’ve got an empire squatting on us.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Paintersforms
22 days ago

Americans are the type of people who post on this blog, and some of the CivNats. Not enough people to shield the nation from the non-Americans.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  CAPT S
22 days ago

Some groups of people are capable of creating and maintaining civilization. Others are not. Alas, it seems to be the case that when savages are introduced into civilization, civilization decays to a barbaric level.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
22 days ago

Civilization has been called a war against nature. this is true enough, certainly in the sense that Man seeks to control (which really means to understand and obey) Nature for his benefit. Looked at another way, over very long periods of time, civilization is the exception, rather than the rule. I don’t think Whites are fragile, but I’m quite sure civilization is.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
22 days ago

Interestingly, once civilization appeared, it never completely collapsed. Sure, there have been severe reversals (the Dark Age in the West, for instance), but civilization carried on. I dare say early Islam, informed by the knowledge of the ancient Greeks and Persians, carried the torch of civilization for a while. I’m not sure what was going in in China at that time.

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Drake
Drake
22 days ago

I think of Baltimore as an abandoned outpost like the Antonine Wall. We built it, but it was too much effort to maintain with all the hostile locals, so we abandoned it. Today the big news is that Somalis imported to Minnesota still act like Somalis. We are becoming the third world.

B123
B123
Reply to  Drake
22 days ago

We are becoming worse than the 3rd world actually. Somalia is full of Somalis, with all that entails, but it is still full of Somalis who know the land, the customs, and the surroundings.

What happens when you have Mexicans, Somalians, Indians, Eritreans, Congolese, Burmese, Chinese, and of course white all mixed together?

Tptb are building a hell of a powder keg, and what makes it worse is that they are trying to destroy the only people who made it possible in the first place, high trust middle class whites.

B123
B123
Reply to  B123
22 days ago

Funny example is at my local burger store. All the staff are Indians who can barely speak english.

Then there’s always some African or Chinese person yelling at them in their own broken english. Start off at a normal voice then speak louder and louder because nobody can understand. Through masks and the plexiglass interface, of course.

Clown world.

ChicagoRodent
ChicagoRodent
Reply to  B123
22 days ago

Mexicans, Somalians, Indians, Eritreans, Congolese, Burmese, Chinese, and of course white all mixed together Rode my bike along the lakefront this weekend. Mexicans occupied inordinate space, loud, drunk, left massive trash strewn about. Somalis had their women covered in “tents,” the men jabbering animatedly and the kids playing chicken with the cyclists. Indians just males hanging out in squads standing in the cycling lanes shouting out comments at pretty white girls. Blacks doing their jogger vibrancy thang in the cycling paths, they kidz and sheboons trying to win the litigation lottery or impose disarray by meandering in front of cyclists.… Read more »

adam
adam
Reply to  ChicagoRodent
22 days ago

This is a powderkeg waiting to go off. Cantinas always dissolve into violence.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  ChicagoRodent
22 days ago

They’re the new Americans Something similar dawned on me when a mexican guy I know from here in Los Angeles went “east” to meet his family in Alabama. Much of his family has settled in Alabama and Tennessee and Georgia, and he brought back pictures and was all happy and smiling like it was his country now. They have homes there, horses, etc. and bought houses for $35,000. And he was telling me how great Alabama is and he is going to move there. Basically, the same mindset and enthusiasm WWII generation and boomers had when they dreamed of leaving… Read more »

Boarwild
Boarwild
Reply to  Falcone
22 days ago

Stick a fork in CA; it’s done. All my friends are pulling out -industry types – for greener pastures & less totalitarian Dem control. Time for me to do the same.
Going to be interesting watching the real estate values crash.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Boarwild
22 days ago

When I walk through the canyons at the nearby county park in OC CA, I hear at least 5 languages. The elderly asians are polite and don’t seem to litter. But the Hindi, hispanics, Persians and whatever are usually hiking in larger groups yelling at each other, playing loud music, talking on phones and just being pigs.

tonaludatus
tonaludatus
Reply to  skeptic16
21 days ago

hallal pigs

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Boarwild
22 days ago

I’m out of here too. I have been whining and moaning to my wife because I love my house and have lived here for 21 years. But we have to go. CA has been good to me, yes, but it also took a lot out of me mentally and physically to maintain the high intensity work ethic needed to prosper here. But bottom line, I am NOT going to work my ass off anymore unless it’s for something I love. I don’t care if I can’t play the rich guy anymore. So bye bye California.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Falcone
22 days ago

The wife and I are looking at Ponte Vedra and Nocatee FL. Low percentage (2%) of negroes, very White, no large universities or corporations, close to the ocean, easier evac in case of hurricane, no state income tax.
We used to live in FL in the 80s and 90s. But that was in the Israeli/Cuban occupied part in the south.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  Falcone
22 days ago

Get out as fast as you possibly can. Visas out of Wakandafornia into the US will be very scarce and dear.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Falcone
22 days ago

Good point. On a sort-of positive note, such Mexican-American success should be applauded. This culture is a lot closer in values to WASP or other White America: they value family, most of them work, etc. They have, or will, assimilate much better than various other ethnic/racial groups here.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
22 days ago

And they vote overwhelmingly Democrat. Whee.

Alfred Doolittle
Alfred Doolittle
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
22 days ago

F their success. They have a big country of their own to be successful in, it’s called Mexico. They wouldn’t suffer millions of us sidling into their countries and then feeling entitled to representation of our culture and values. And that goes for the rest of this demographic terrorist polity, LatinX. They have a whole fucking continent to muck about, the nerve of these entitled assholes, and their retarded liberal patrons.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  ChicagoRodent
22 days ago

I used to ride my bike along the Chicago lakefront (north, not south) and it used to be mostly white and pleasant. Bicycle rides along Lake Michigan are just another of the nice things we can’t have anymore.

Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  Wolf Barney
22 days ago

I’d understand if LS Drive south of the Loop is no go territory, but Oak St beach, Lincoln Park and points north are no go now also?

ChicagoRodent
ChicagoRodent
Reply to  Stranger in a strange land
22 days ago

No-go in the sense they’ll obstruct your bike or blading there and so you’ll need to stop and wait. Generally safe during the day, however, flash gangs of vibrants will form at or near Castaways, the oceanliner-appearing bar, rentals and restrooms from time to time. Then the violence begins and you need to leave asap. The entire lakefront is pretty safe during daylight hours, all 18+miles of it, provided you are a decent-sized male but you need to be on the lookout in the dodgey pockets if you see a glump of vibrancy forming up. In packs, they’ll kill you… Read more »

KGB
KGB
Reply to  ChicagoRodent
22 days ago

Was camping in a state park this weekend and it was brilliantly free of vibrancy. A large group of Caucasians a few cabins down had an all-day whiffle ball game. People offered friendly greetings as they passed each other. And when 10PM rolled around, everyone respected the admonition to avoid disturbing your neighbors. The weather was gorgeous, the fall foliage beginning to peek out. To be reminded of what could and should be…

skeptic16
skeptic16
Reply to  KGB
22 days ago

Vibrants don’t camp. Similar to “Charlie don’t surf”.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  ChicagoRodent
22 days ago

Serves you right for riding a road bike. And lakeshore was a dmz more than a decade ago, southside cabbies would warn you that lakeshore was full of sketchy people up to no good.

Road biking is making a hobby of antisocial behaviour and being a public menace. Put some knobbies on and hit a trail if you want to be a real man.

ChicagoRodent
ChicagoRodent
Reply to  Educated.redneck
22 days ago

I bow ;>) I like to pedal tens of miles to small spaces and explore them. When I hit the trail it’s with a backpack somewhere in the world and I’m out for a week to months and every now and then with airdrops for resupply.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  B123
22 days ago

Elite whites and jews are trying to dilute the concentration of whites to make the population more docile and easier to buy off. Whites are too independent and they are smart enough to organize a revolt.
I don’t think most of TPTB want complete white genocide. They still need enough whites to run things that AI can’t as well as invent new gadgets for corporations and the MIC.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Drake
22 days ago

Beautiful city in a beautiful location. Probably would’ve been the Chicago of the east coast if the Susquehanna was navigable. It’s a crime what’s happened to the place.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Drake
22 days ago

Minnesota is under foreign occupation. These people are not even pretending to be Americans. Their hostility to the American people is not only transparent but celebrated. We have no moral obligation before judgement by God to accept the permanent presence of enemies of our people inside our land.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Horace
22 days ago

They did it to themselves. Lutheran Charities and the Papists jumped on the immigration scam.
Unfortunately they are free to move around the rest of the country,

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Drake
22 days ago

Most major US cities are little if any better than Bawlmer. Whites have physically abandoned them all, but remain tethered to them financially.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
22 days ago

The riots and covid lockdowns have done much to sever those tethers. More remote work and more companies avoiding big cities.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Drake
22 days ago

Unfortunately, we all still pay the black tax to keep the Afros in Popeyes and Air Jordans.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
22 days ago

A society that prefers dishonor to death is ready for a master – and deserves one.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  MemeWarVet
22 days ago

Karen: Save me Black Panther

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
22 days ago

I think there is starting to be some sense of foreboding at least among some of us. I was talking to a man yesterday who lived in a McMansion and he was complaining about his taxes and insurance being $1,000 a month. I looked around at his kids he had with him, one was a 20 year old lesbian the other had purple hair. Products of modernism and our public education now days. I could sense his unease about the future. i am sure the lesbian and the purple hair will work hard and build a stable civilization behind him.… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
22 days ago

The odds that the lesbian and purple-haired one live at homes are tremendous. The fact we refer to them to “kids” (I do as well, so that’s not snark) indicates how unserious of a society we have become. That the dude pays $1k monthly for taxes and insurance shows how unserious society has become. The fact he discusses such things shows how unserious we are.
Unserious behavior is a luxury. Those who engage in it had better enjoy it while they can.

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Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Ris_Eruwaedhiel
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
22 days ago

$1000 a month in taxes and insurance would be low here in northern NJ, but one reason is that we are subsidizing cities such as Newark which can’t pay their own bills.
Drove through Upper Montclair, a wealthy suburb of Newark, on Saturday and saw several Biden/Harris and a BLM sign on the large lawns of the very large mansions.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Ris_Eruwaedhiel
22 days ago

Yes – I crossed the $1k a month line for just property taxes a few years ago. But out here in Warren County there are Trump signs everywhere. I’ve seen exactly one Biden sign. Won’t matter, the cities will out vote us and our Congressional District is safely gerrymandered.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Drake
22 days ago

Funny thing here in Limo Leftist land is I’ve found exactly 7 Biden signs so far in my AO. It was a forest of Hillary signs in 16. Almost like they are embarrassed.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  SamlAdams
22 days ago

In my neck of the woods I’m seeing more Biden signs than I’d expect, which is disquieting. Otoh, our lefties are bitterly strident, being surrounded, and I suspect just about every Biden voter has a sign.

Trump swag is dominant, as are American flags. The flag people are almost certainly Trump voters.

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skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Paintersforms
22 days ago

There are several reports of Trump supporters being personally threatened and having property damaged for displaying any indication of support for Trump. The unwritten rule is to just fly an American flag.
I’m in CA so even if I voted for Trump, it wouldn’t matter. My only real reason for a Trump win is to watch the bloodletting of the left.
My guess is that on election night, Trump will be ahead of Biden. Whether that holds as the mail in votes “trickle in” remains to be seen.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  skeptic16
22 days ago

Yep. The flag is a safer way of signaling where you stand.

Educated.redneck
Educated.redneck
Reply to  skeptic16
22 days ago

Saw a vibrant female hop out of a car at a stoplight and steal a Trump sign last week.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Paintersforms
22 days ago

Yes, Painter. The American Flag is a succedaneum all over the U.S. for showing support for Trump.

whitney
Member
Reply to  Ris_Eruwaedhiel
22 days ago

I live adjacent to an incredibly wealthy neighborhood and they’re quite a few Biden signs. It’s really shocking to me. I can understand if you don’t like Trump and are just going to vote for the other guy but to proudly proclaim your voting for a dementia patient for president of the United States is embarrassing. I’m embarrassed for them. There are actually a surprising number of trump signs also and those people I just think of as brave. And now I’m embarrassed for myself that I think someone putting a sign in their yard is brave. What a petty… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  whitney
22 days ago

Wealth is no indication of intelligence.

Driving to trail run last Friday in the 80F sunny weather, I had a Ferrari convertible fall in behind me.

Of course, the solo 50ish driver had his face diaper on, like a good little flunatic.

whitney
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
22 days ago

religious fanatic

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  whitney
22 days ago

Sharia law. But everyone gets treated like a woman. Cover your unclean face!

ChicagoRodent
ChicagoRodent
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
22 days ago

This phenomenon persists here in the windy city and our north shore communities. The wealthy driving expensive cars and solo or riding pricey carbon fiber bikes all with their face diapers loosely fluttering in the wind. I’ve chatted up a few of them and consensus appears to be “well it doesn’t hurt anything.” I point out the rising increase in lung and sinus infections but receive vaccuous stares in return. Imbeciles.

Maus
Maus
Reply to  ChicagoRodent
22 days ago

Just look at the online advertising for face diapers. Customizable to infinity and like as not worn by a gorgeous model. I am particularly amused by the ones with clear plastic inserts; so that you can see the full, smiling lips. These thinks are marketed as fashion accessories. And the people who wear them when it’s clearly unnecessary are raging narcissists. I am weary of the staggering. Let’s get to the cataclysm and associated die-off.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  ChicagoRodent
22 days ago

It hurts our goshdam freedom!

Kneel, idiots. Abase yourselves.
It doesn’t hurt anything.

Bill Mullins
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
22 days ago

Graphic I’d like to see. Photo of someone like that driver, clearly outside wearing a face diaper. Below the photo would be the caption:

Land of the free

Home of the brave.

What do you think?

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Bill Mullins
22 days ago

Quality Memeing. Conveys a truth with pictures in a way words can’t.

Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
22 days ago

flunatic

I love it.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
22 days ago

Ugh. I had to a wear a face diaper for the first time in months on Saturday. Do a lot of my lumber/hardware buying a rural lumber yards were nobody gives a crap about enforcing the mask mandate, but today I realized I needed three extra boards for a deck repair I was working on so had to go to a local place in the city. Door jogger was dutifully forcing everyone to put one on. I didn’t even have one, so had to take one of their freebies — I needed the lumber too much to cause a scene… Read more »

Milestone D
Milestone D
Reply to  whitney
22 days ago

I live inside Imperial Capital beltway. I’m certain that if I put a Trump sign in my yard, I’d find my car key’d. And I’m confident that if I called the cops, I’d get some version of “what did you expect?” My neighbors cannot even fathom the idea of someone voting for Trump – they just take it for granted that everyone here is a co-religionist.

Bill Mullins
Member
Reply to  Milestone D
22 days ago

Kinda makes you thankful for secret ballots; doesn’t it?

BTP
Member
Reply to  whitney
22 days ago

The ruling class and its foot soldiers do not care at all about Biden’s mental state because they correctly perceive that it does not matter. Our oligarchy runs itself, friend, it does not need a president at all. I think lawn signs are a charming and sad reminder of what is going away. A guy in the French high command was traveling through Poland on his way home from Russia, where he tried to get them to ally with France against the Germans in 1939. He noted the people going on with their lives, unaware of the wrath that was… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  BTP
22 days ago

Our oligarchy runs itself, friend, it does not need a president at all.

The most important lesson of the last four years has been the continual object lessons that the Executive is the weakest and the Judiciary is by far the most powerful branch of the US system.

This is why the Left will set out to impede Barrett’s confirmation in any way possible and why Cocaine Mitch may go straight for a vote based on her prior vetting.

Last edited 22 days ago by The Wild Geese Howard
Andy Texan
Reply to  BTP
22 days ago

‘Our oligarchy runs itself.’ No doubt there is a council of elders out there somewhere that sets policy.

miforest
Member
Reply to  BTP
22 days ago

sure does have the poland 1939 vibe doesn’t it

c matt
c matt
Reply to  miforest
22 days ago

I am sensing more Russia/Spain circa 1917/1930

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  BTP
22 days ago

But Poland DID ally with France and England. Which was a mistake.

StanP
StanP
Reply to  BTP
22 days ago

All things considered, I would be OK if we were all speaking German now

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  whitney
22 days ago

A surprising number of the wealthy lean left. Most of the Billionaires are strongly left wing even non-jews. Can you think of one billionaire that underwrites any consistent, nationalist causes? You might get them to fund an organization that aligns with their personal interests like the Koch brothers funding efforts to counter climate change fanatics but then they fund open borders groups.

Institution
Institution
Reply to  skeptic16
21 days ago

Those billionaires are all deeply dependent upon a federal government, banking system, professional class, and media all controlled by the left. If they want to keep their money, they know who not to offend. They got their money by being shrewd and disingenuous. In their private lives, they act just the same as any white person here would act if they had the same amount of money: white neighborhood, white hobbies, white friends, white spouse (or Asian). The left seized the institutions and everything fell into place after, reinforcing their power. The next time we have a country, let’s not… Read more »

c matt
c matt
Reply to  whitney
22 days ago

Chances are, these wealthy Biden supporters are part of the establishment oppressing the deplorables, work for that establishment at the middle-upper echelons, or want to be part of that establishment. Why wouldn’t they proudly fly their banner of oppression?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  whitney
22 days ago

Bah. I burn a cross in my own yard.
Gods, I am so noble!

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Ris_Eruwaedhiel
22 days ago

> Drove through Upper Montclair, a wealthy suburb of Newark, on Saturday and saw several Biden/Harris and a BLM sign on the large lawns of the very large mansions.
In St Louis I noticed almost every house had either a statue of Mary on their lawn or a BLM sign, and never both.
BLM is the ascendant religion of our age, and it won’t change until every one of these neighborhoods gets Section 8 housing in their neighborhood, and there’s no escape. They’ll still say the platitudes, but their actions will stop being destructive as survival mode kicks in.

Milestone D
Milestone D
Reply to  Chet Rollins
22 days ago

Oh, I completely agree with that. My Chevy Chase co-religionists’ public policy is all virtue signalling, but their *private* policy is all white supremacists. They’re all for BLM, but when school re-zoning is preposed to open up seats in their Magic Dirt schools for the Diverse, they’re suddenly screaming about local control and home values. I truly loathe these people, but am wholly convinced they won’t change their views until they *feel* the consequences of their choices. Hopefully, I can sell this house and move back south before then.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Milestone D
22 days ago

That’s a problem with the Goodwhites. When their back is to the wall, their true values will probably align mostly with ours after all. The only problem is our backs will be to the wall too, and we’ll be lucky to have blindfolds and a last cigarette.

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Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
22 days ago

and a last cigarette.

“No, of course you can’t have a cigarette before your firing squad. Those things can kill you!”

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Ris_Eruwaedhiel
22 days ago

For those who don’t know, in Jersey your taxes darn near equal your mortgage payment. It’s like you’re paying two mortgages.

When California repeals Prop 13 (real estate taxes capped at 1 percent)- then is when the S hits the F.

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MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
22 days ago

Just wait 10 years, when those who never had any functional memory of a pre-Covid world reach adulthood.

Bill Mullins
Member
Reply to  MemeWarVet
22 days ago

I have little doubt that at lest some people will be wearing face diapers even then.

Land o’ the free an’ home o’ the brave. Says so right here on the label.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Bill Mullins
22 days ago

I’m of the belief that large swaths of the country will never return to in-classroom “learning”, ever.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  MemeWarVet
22 days ago

For those that usually attend our public “schools”—especially inner city—it won’t make much of a difference, they don’t learn anything now.

For those lucky enough to home school or attend private or charter schools, it won’t make much difference either. They will learn despite their environment.

Bill Mullins
Member
Reply to  CompscI
21 days ago

You got that shit right!

c matt
c matt
Reply to  MemeWarVet
22 days ago

That would actually be good thing. Those that would never learn anyway will just tune out of the zoom session; those with an interest won’t get distracted by the former.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  MemeWarVet
22 days ago

That’s not necessarily a bad thing. A big chunk of the indoctrination happens in the schools.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Bill Mullins
22 days ago

These days I prefer, “land of the fee, home of the slave.”

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  MemeWarVet
22 days ago

And none of it ever goes away.

Affirmative action

Dept of Education

Desegregation (renamed Section 8)

Drug testing (aka “fire the natives”)

TSA

Hiring for Equality

Face burkas

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The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
22 days ago

He should be nervous.

Guarantee purple hair is counting down to the Day of the Pillow.

B123
B123
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
22 days ago

Individualism and materialism works… until it doesn’t.

While this guy was out riding his motorcycle (or whatever boomers do) the education system was turning his daughter into a purple haired lesbian.

Boomers went for a long nap, of good times. The good times are ending and they’re suddenly being slapped awake, and have woken in a much different world than they remember.

Bill Mullins
Member
Reply to  B123
22 days ago

Hey, B! I suspect your generation would’ve screwed the pooch just as badly as mine did. You’re just pissed you didn’t get the chance to do so.
Suck it up, Princess.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Bill Mullins
22 days ago

Bill, you’ve been told time and time and time again. Everything is not all about YOU. Grow up, old man.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
22 days ago

Working hard and producing vs. seeking leisure and consuming.

A big problem is that there’s not a debate about economics. I was listening to E. Michael Jones recently and he said that late last century the left bargained to cede economics to the right in exchange for sexual liberation. That sounds right.

In other words, both sides abandoned morality. It’s damning that people are only now beginning to doubt the wisdom of it.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
22 days ago

Thank you. You make a good case for people living modestly, in my case here in East Butt Plug™, Florida, where my taxes and insurance are about 1/10 your grumpy friend’s figure.

sentry
sentry
22 days ago

well, constantine moved rome’s capital in 330 AD
fall of rome began in 395 AD
Coincidence? I don’t think so
when elites start a new project some place else and leave united states, that’s when usa falls, cause they’ll take country’s wealth with them.
globalists wanted to move to china, but their plan failed apparently, they’re searching for a new place to begin a new shit show, some location that has/could have imperial aspirations, where population is easy to control.

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Drake
Drake
Reply to  sentry
22 days ago

Maybe that explains the insanity in the UK and Australia. I was wondering why all the Anglo countries seemed to be competing for the “most submissive sheep” prize.

stefan
stefan
Reply to  Drake
22 days ago

I think with the riots and the fact that the US always seems to be groud zero for every new idiot idea means the US is the current winner. Maybe you are more aware of Anglo submissiveness because of the language issue. There’s some great(or depressing) youtube documentaries about France and its ZUS problems.Specifically Marseilles and its slums with their heavily armed gangs make for interesting viewing. If you think everything is rosy in Belgium and Moelenbeek then do I have a bridge to sell you. Widespread physical bullying of German children in schools by “new Germans” is a public… Read more »

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James O'Meara
James O'Meara
Reply to  sentry
22 days ago

I take your point, but as far as your example goes, the whole Rome to Constantinople thing was fake news.

https://www.unz.com/article/how-fake-is-roman-antiquity/

One of Many Georges
One of Many Georges
22 days ago

As long as people are being fed and have shelter, they will not rise up to challenge the rulers. I suggest that there is a difference between being well-fed an being obese–a difference in degree so big that it become a difference in kind. A major category of degeneracy in and of itself. One difference between America and earlier analogies is that America is the first Obese Empire. People are just staggering under the weight of their stupendous bulk. I went to my father’s little hometown in Wisconsin, and almost every single person over the age of 30 is enormously… Read more »

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  One of Many Georges
22 days ago

Indians and alcohol are an interesting comparison. Used to think Americans were fat because of cheap carbs; now I wonder if the ready access to cheap alcohol isn’t also a contributing factor. Hooch is everywhere.

Lifestyle wise…the Amish seem to have cracked the code for healthy living. Except the genetic inbreeding issues. No one is perfect.

B123
B123
Reply to  ProZNoV
22 days ago

Whites and Indians also have depressive tendencies. The amount of whites boozing up, doing drugs, or eating themselves to death is huge.

I understand the despair, but my reaction to it is anger, so I lift, go to the range, etc. I guess other whites would rather just die dishonorably as an obese alcoholic.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  B123
22 days ago

one word: women

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  sentry
22 days ago

The cause or the cure?

c matt
c matt
Reply to  skeptic16
22 days ago

For better or worse, both.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  skeptic16
22 days ago

“Was it a woman or a bottle
That’s brought him down so low?”
— Robert Cray, “The Night Patrol”

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  skeptic16
22 days ago

Like alcohol, both.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  B123
22 days ago

“eating themselves to death”

I never thought of that, but you’re right. “Big boned” is nature, but morbid obesity is a sign of the mind.

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Horace
Horace
Reply to  ProZNoV
22 days ago

Inbreeding is relative, no pun intended. If you look at fixation index data for humans, you will see that basically the entire freaking human race are inbred cousin fuckers EXCEPT for Christian-heritage European people. One reason why is the Catholic Church’s breaking of tribal kinship structures. I always get a laugh when Ashkenazi Jews make fun of hillbillies as being inbred. Sure, Appalachian people are *slightly* more inbred than the rest of us, but compared to the entire rest of the world they are UTTER paragons of heterozygosity. Jews, on the other hand, have over the last 2000 years turned… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Horace
22 days ago

Pakistani inbreeding in the UK is causing huge clusters of genetic defects and diseases that are overwhelming the health care system there.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Horace
22 days ago

That’s it! The rest are breeder-brained, snarled in the smothering web of soap opera and social hysteria.

They can’t build squat.

Our mason minds were lightened enough from the mire to proliferate and begin building and exploring our way to physical modernity in earnest.

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Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Horace
22 days ago

If you can get away with that, let me try this 😀 Back in 80s-90s, Washington DC had a DJ named Greaseman. Among his many skits, he’d make fun of West Virginia. Also, he’d do parody songs (like a Weird Al or Bob Rivers). Once he used the “Green Acres” song thusly (incompletely from memory) West Virginia is the place for me, Where folks are closer than genetically, Find a cousin and you’ve found a bride, Keep Manhattan, give me that double-wide! Inbred is the way we’d like to stay, Grab a sister and roll in the hay, Entire towns… Read more »

Bill Mullins
Member
Reply to  ProZNoV
22 days ago

I still think it is about cheap carbs – cheap food in general. Look at history. For thousands of years only the wealthy got fat because only the wealthy could AFFORD to get fat. The poor – even the working poor – barely could afford to keep body and soul together. Look in a store in well-to-do area. You’ll see very few fat people. Now go walk through the projects. You’ll see damned few thin people! Millenia of history turned upside down. I think it’s only because only the well-to-do can afford to eat healthy.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Bill Mullins
22 days ago

Everybody can afford to eat healthy. Fatties are fat because they eat for comfort.

Bill Mullins
Member
Reply to  Hun
21 days ago

Ok, then explain the disparity? Damned few fat people in well-to-do areas while shitloads of fat people in the projects. What do YOU postulate as the underlying operating principle. I’ve offered my hypothesis with supporting (admittedly anecdotal) evidence. Offer an alternative or STFU. It isn’t enough simply to say someone else’s hypothesis is wrong, you must offer a counter argument or be exposed for the unintelligent know-nothing crank you are.

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Bill Mullins
21 days ago

People who are well to do are generally financially self-disciplined. Self-disciplined people often tend to be in good shape because they have the ability to deny themselves unnecessary food. Eating healthy is extremely cheap, which means the obese poor aren’t actually all that poor.

Bill Mullins
Member
Reply to  Drew
21 days ago

Eating healthy is extremely cheap

Oh yeah? Ever shopped at one of those trendy health food stores? I did once when I was working for Favor. $120 worth of food fit in a single medium sized cardboard box (the store did not provide bags). I damned sure couldn’t afford to shop there!

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  ProZNoV
22 days ago

 Hooch is everywhere.

I’m continually wondering when the vinyard and microbrewery markets are going to hit saturation.

I can’t figure out how these places make money, especially with the tiny volume some of them do. I once met a vintner doing 2k of $20 bottles per year is only $40k/year before any expenses or taxes.

That’s a hobby, not a way to make a living.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
22 days ago

I will say that just about any microbrewery puts out a better product than the horse piss bottled by Budweiser, Miller, Coors etc. Plus, they are so small that even if they are flaming libtards, any contributions they make to the left are inconsequential. If they publicly support BLM or LTGBQ there’s always another microbrew. Not so with the big guys.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  skeptic16
22 days ago

Agree with your categorization of mass-produced beers. While it’s not for the same economic reasons, actually the reappearance of tiny breweries and vintners is a good thing, hearkens back to the old times. Europe never really lost theirs, but America did exceptional damage by Prohibition, and lingering traces remain nearly a century later. Just consider that the microbrews didn’t begin to appear until 1980s (?). So if we really can create a better world, I request we add local brews, wines, baked goods, as well as blonde, blue-eyed dirndl-wearing women named Inge or Heidi to the wish list.

ChicagoRodent
ChicagoRodent
Reply to  skeptic16
22 days ago

PBR hot summers and Spaten Optimator now. Various reds 15-5000 usd, farmers jug wine being amongst the best.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  ProZNoV
22 days ago

And meth is to us what crack cocaine was to the blacks.

The big difference is, cocaine is imported.

Drew
Drew
Reply to  ProZNoV
21 days ago

To be honest, the Amish aren’t much healthier than the average American. They are just as likely to be overweight, and quite a few are obese. Their diet is similar to normal Americans, and while their work is more labor intensive, they still have plenty of sedentary time.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Drew
21 days ago

In my neck of the woods, Amish women can tend toward being slightly overweight, but that’s often the result of multiple cycles of pregnancy. The young women are rarely overweight and the men of all ages are generally fit. In other words, they resemble non-Amish Americans of a century ago.

Peabody
Peabody
Reply to  One of Many Georges
22 days ago

To quote Will Durant “A civilization is born stoic and dies epicurean”. Although epicurean is a bit fanciful of a term to describe the garbage dump consumption in the US.

James O'Meara
James O'Meara
Reply to  Peabody
22 days ago

Fanciful and inaccurate. Epicurus counseled moderation, and considering what we would call “long term” effects. His idea of pleasure was sitting in his garden, talking with friends, drinking crisp, cool water. “My heart is full of fun when I have bread and water”.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  One of Many Georges
22 days ago

Solid observations, but I look at obesity along with the other addiction issues as symptoms, not causes. The Empire doesn’t piss test its troops as it once did, for example, and even its cannon fodder training camps are chunkier than in the past. One of the very, very few positive things about the riots has been to show how mentally ill and psychologically damaged so many childless, single Millennial women have become. Again, it is a symptom. You cannot change nature no matter how much you wishcast about it. Human beings always fall short of utopian dreams. Society cannot be… Read more »

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Jack Dobson
22 days ago

I used to frequently fly into the Columbia SC airport on business. This is where new army recruits arrive for basic training at Fort Jackson. The recruits I saw looked like they were in the glee club in HS. I was in my late 50s at the time and I think I would have done better in basic than a lot of those kids.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  skeptic16
22 days ago

Most would have washed out before you. The average recruit looks like Richard Simmons between gigs now.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Jack Dobson
22 days ago

Circumcision to fux up the men
Abortion to fux up the women

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Jack Dobson
22 days ago

Follow you until last sentence. Confused.

Maus
Maus
Reply to  One of Many Georges
22 days ago

We ruled the world so we could eat it up; but have instead been eaten by it. Metabolism is the story of life. Ironically, metabolism (eating the forbidden fruit) is also the ur-myth of human sin and death. Science has no insight that wasn’t grasped first by religion; and we neglect that truth to our peril.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  One of Many Georges
22 days ago

So instead of the Opium Wars, it will be the Doritos Wars.

James O'Meara
James O'Meara
Reply to  One of Many Georges
22 days ago

I agree with your point, but opium was hardly a self-induced crisis. The Chinese govt tried to ban it, and the result was the Opium Wars which, having won, allowed Britain to force opium down their throats. Wonder why the Chinese hate Anglos and still love Mao?

Marko
Marko
22 days ago

St. Louis had been staggering on because of hipster & gay gentrification and Cardinal baseball. Beginning in the 1990s certain neighborhoods were seeded by urban-living types (i.e. white people from the County) as well as a heaping dose of Bosnian-Serbian immigration, which kept the City fairly functional and promised to have a Cleveland-like rebirth. Though crime is so bad, third-world bad, and constantly seeping into gentrified areas, it’s been dawning on people that city life isn’t worth it. When Bosnians are getting the f**k out, you know it’s bad.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Marko
22 days ago

Neighborhoods can’t be protected with ethnics (say, Bosnians) irregularly “helping the cops” in the age of cameras everywhere.

Should be the opposite, right? Cameras everywhere should be a law-and-order wet dream. Anarcho-tyranny rears it’s ugly head though.

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Maus
Maus
Reply to  ProZNoV
22 days ago

The problem isn’t the cameras, it’s the cops’ minders. The proper order is not us “helping the cops.” It ought to be the cops helping us, the taxpayers who “hire” them. There should be fewer laws and the discretion to enforce them or not should rest with the community, not the gendarmerie. Cui custodiet custodies?

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Maus
22 days ago

If an area isn’t populated with the right demographics, no amount of policing will make it a worthwhile place to live. Police make only a marginal difference in crime. Usually, improvements in one are just mean crime has been moved elsewhere.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Maus
22 days ago

The recent video of the white man driving the Prius in California, who escaped not one but two mob attacks apparently unharmed, and ended up getting arrested for his gauntlet, should be illustrative. I haven’t checked for what, if any charges were. I would guess something like “Failure to stop at the scene of an accident involving a large group of people who were obviously intent on robbing or killing you.”

Remember Zemir Begic
Remember Zemir Begic
Reply to  Marko
22 days ago

I remember how the blacks in St. Louis were attacking and killing Bosnians after the Gentle Giant was shot. Imagine fleeing Bosnia only to get killed in St. Louis.
https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/protest-st-louis-man-killed-hammer-attack-article-1.2028669

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Remember Zemir Begic
22 days ago

I had that very hammer attack in mind. I think we all would rather live in Kosovo than Nigeria.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Remember Zemir Begic
22 days ago

Holy smokes, I didn’t know they were white immigrants. I guess all immigrants are NOT equal to the media.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Marko
22 days ago

My upstate NY hometown discovered refugee resettlement as the answer to a declining population. Numerically, it worked. Now they have a bunch of welfare cases and had to respond to a lawsuit claiming the public schools were not providing fair educational opportunities to non-English speakers.

Editor George
Editor George
22 days ago

For the readers out there, I recommend Eileen Powers’ Medieval People. In fact just the first chapter (“The Precursors”), about the end of the Roman Empire, will suffice. It was written in 1924, and is about the end of the Roman Empire, but you’ll swear it was written about 2020 America. It’s all there: (1) The declining birth rate, especially among the best people. (2) Bringing in “barbarians” as a substitute population. (3) Pursuing obscure interests and hobbies instead of raising families. (4) Not really believing that the barbarians filling their cities would ever really assert themselves and finish the… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Editor George
22 days ago

The problem is our leaders don’t see it as a cautionary tale but as a playbook

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Falcone
21 days ago

No, they don’t. Do you really think that people who ride to the top are particularly intelligent or well-educated? Do you think any of them read ancient history? Or even relatively recent history? Most of the people in charge are dullards with a list for power or money, and refuse to think of their actions or consequences in any terms other than immediate personal benefit. They aren’t out to get you; you just aren’t important to them.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Editor George
22 days ago

Peter Heather’s book about Rome and the barbarians is a more recent treatment along similar lines.

Danoplier
Danoplier
Reply to  skeptic16
21 days ago

Bryan Ward-Perkins has another, The Fall of Rome. It debunks the attempt by modernist historians to avoid the consequences of multiculturalism and mass immigration by claiming the Roman Empire never really fell, that everything continued along fine with all happy little groups getting along in peace. Reality: archeological evidence show this not to be the case; areas under Roman rule reverted technologically after the fall, and the barbarians ended up assimilating the Romans, which showed in their coin depictions. His conclusion: the barbarians destroyed Rome.

Epaminondas
Member
22 days ago

The African colonies are a good example of what happens when savages gain control of government. The Congo once had a splendid rail system, complete with beautiful stations and sophisticated repair sheds. After only a generation of self-rule the engines were beyond repair because few knew how to use the tools left behind. The trains stopped and the jungle reclaimed the tracks.

Take a look at this video of Kenneth Clarke describing what happens when an advanced society loses self-confidence. Move the time hack to 7:00…

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxEJn7dWY60&t=601s

Drake
Drake
Reply to  Epaminondas
22 days ago

I’m watching the whole thing – brilliant.

Peabody
Peabody
Reply to  Drake
22 days ago

I worked with a civil engineer who after retirement took his lefty self to Costa Rica with the Peace Corps to help the locals with management of the water treatment system. While not admitting it outright, he came back with a newfound appreciation of biodiversity. The reason they couldn’t keep the system functional was any piece of metal that could be ripped up and sold would go missing almost as soon as it was installed. Advanced civilization is the exclusive domain of people who are capable of understanding consequences and delaying gratification.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Peabody
22 days ago

Costa Rica is one of the more stable and functional nations in Latin America. I think it is one of the whitest in Central America.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Peabody
22 days ago

Palestine: Car swarm! (after a car bomb, or Gaza greenhouses too)

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OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Epaminondas
22 days ago

The African colonies are a good example of what happens when savages gain control of government. In general these colonies are the best way to win any argument concerning why the savages just don’t do well with civilization. Africa really demonstrates the fact that a country needs a large number of competent people to make sure the trains run on time, make sure that your mines are functioning, make sure that taxes are collected etc.. In the books I have read on Africa’s history (more accurately, the history of western civilization in Africa), there was always an interview with a… Read more »

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  Epaminondas
22 days ago

There was a documentary produced about ten years ago called “Empire of Dust”. It is about the challenges a Chinese engineer faces in the Congo when trying to restore a neglected highway built by the Belgians earlier in the 20th century using local labor and supplies. After being frustrated by Africans who don’t show up on time, don’t deliver contracted materials, drink their pay away, disappear after getting paid he sighed “it’s all so tiresome” which later became an internet meme. I think the documentary was intended to impart sympathy for the Congolese and antipathy for the Chinese presence in… Read more »

Henry Lee
Member
22 days ago

One hesitates to mention demographics as a cause of the decline.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Henry Lee
22 days ago

Not here we don’t 😈 . Actually, I just watched the Kenneth Clark Civilsation part 1. (above) and changing demographics is not required for a civilzaton to deteriorate. “Boredom” was one cause he cited, if I heard it correctly.

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MikeCLT
MikeCLT
22 days ago

As our host likes to say: “Biology is everything.”

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
22 days ago

When you look at many American cities like Baltimore, St. Louis, Detroit, Newark and so on, the question is not “How did they get to this point?” The question is, “How have they not collapsed by now?”  In the case of Newark, at least, it collapsed in the aftermath of the 1967 race riots, reanimated, and teeters once again on the brink, this time the collapse likely to be permanent. Newark reanimated and staggered along because eventually the airport and port serviced nearby NYC, which was at its zenith just a year back. The upper middle class suburbs to Newark’s… Read more »

David Wright
Member
22 days ago

The Wuhan hysteria has revealed much about us to each other. Talking to care giver nurse and she thought the virus cure among other cures was coming soon since we are all much smarter than previous generations. Yeah, this dimwit said that. Out of curiosity I looked up images of J.R.R. Tolkien. Perusing all of that and seeing and reading about his contemporaries it gave me such despair to what we lost. Lots of bigger brains than mine have conjectured on why the decline, just a cycle doesn’t explain much. Original sin helps. Diversity too, but that may be more… Read more »

Evil Sandmich
Reply to  David Wright
22 days ago

White people do seem to believe in their own Wakanda, one where the nano-particles and computers will be able to overcome even death itself.

Andy Texan
Reply to  David Wright
22 days ago

I would trade the debonair culture of the 19th century over the smartphone/internet technology of today. Our leaders are uniformly un-learned and unwise.

the Hutu Curtsy
the Hutu Curtsy
22 days ago

I’ve noticed the general decline as well especially in new smartphone technology, what we get now are just variations on a theme, there hasn’t been a real innovation since Steve Jobs died. Just try finding an antique radio repairman, or someone to rewire a lamp or your old American made toaster. The few older (white) skilled craftsmen are retiring at an alarming rate with no one to replace them and they are taking that accumulated knowledge with them.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  the Hutu Curtsy
22 days ago

All the low and mid-hanging technological fruit was picked long ago.

There is no new transistor or Internet on the horizon.

We’re reaching the physical limits of what is possible with existing semiconductor technology.

skeptic16
skeptic16
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
22 days ago

For that reason and the push for diversity in the sciences, I think we are going to have a prolonged pause in scientific advancement. Maybe we need a breather.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
22 days ago

> When you look at many American cities like Baltimore, St. Louis, Detroit, Newark and so on, the question is not “How did they get to this point?” The question is, “How have they not collapsed by now?” A couple of the higher up blacks in my company live in downtown Detroit, in one of the few nice areas. Walk a few blocks in any direction and it’s a war-zone. The one I work with closely has a 120 lb guard-dog and his neighborhood is patrolled by a military grade vehicle. The only thing the city does for them is… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Chet Rollins
22 days ago

Detroit has a white guy mayor that used work as a prosecutor. Their police chief is an old school law and order black guy.

reality check
reality check
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
22 days ago

Detroit is like Zimbabwe: after decades of black rule collapses in on itself, the exhausted blacks end up welcoming white masters back into their cheering arms.

I would never accept such an offer, though: the white masters will improve things such that the black wards will eventually get uppity and jealous again, start destroying things, and the process of decline will resume.

Segregation Now
Segregation Now
Reply to  Chet Rollins
22 days ago

As Spencer Quinn says, this is why we had segregation. The amount of BLM terrorist attacks he listed that occurred in just the last two weeks is insane:
https://counter-currents.com/2020/09/this-is-why-we-had-segregation/

The riots and terrorist attacks have been pretty much constant since Floyd overdosed. In many ways, they’ve been constant since the 1960s ever since segregation broke down.

Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Segregation Now
22 days ago

An Aussie on Gab called it a slow motion slave revolt

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
22 days ago

A very wry, but accurate summation. We gave them freedom. We gave them rights. But I think the one thing no one can give them is true equality of outcome. On a slightly more humorous note, the majority of us do, in fact, find them revolting.

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
22 days ago

The problem with comparing Rome to America is the fact America is not the “light in the darkness” Rome was to the rest of the world. Rome developed indoor heating, indoor plumbing, aqueducts the length of France and Italy. It had an army that actually won wars and conquered nations. It had art, science, literature and culture the rest of the world came to envy. Europe was built on the shoulders of what was once Rome. No nation will be built on the shoulders of America. Europe, not America, provided the enlightenment. Europe, not America, kicked off the Industrial Revolution.… Read more »

Last edited 22 days ago by Karl Horst (Germany)
sentry
sentry
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
22 days ago

pretty sure many ancient greeks considered romans to be trash who stole their culture

i actually do believe nations will get built on the shoulders of usa, it’s too early to tell

Last edited 22 days ago by sentry
Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  sentry
22 days ago

More likely nations will get built on the rubble of the usa.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Stranger in a strange land
22 days ago

define rubble, if you mean failed state such as venezuela then I agree, but civilization won’t disappear from america.

Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  sentry
22 days ago

Rubble a la VZ a reasonable analogy.