The Outsider Moment

For generations, the source of conflict in the American political system is that it represents a small slice of the American people. The Yankee elite that rose up in the aftermath of the Civil War, later joined by Jews in the 20th century, represents not only a narrow cultural slice of American society, but a narrow economic slice as well. Since the end of the Cold War this has become acute. In 30 years, there have been three major reformist movements attempting to broaden the ruling coalition.

It seems like a lifetime ago, but Ross Perot was in many respects the prototype for Donald Trump’s 2016 run. Perot ran as an outsider, on the back of his folksy observations about the federal government. Despite being very rich, he was clearly a man of the lower classes. His picaresque presentation was very appealing to a large portion of the population open to populist appeals. If not for his enigmatic personality, he probably would have won the White House in 1992.

Of course, what opened the door for Perot’s 1992 run was the Buchanan challenge to George H. W. Bush in the Republican primary. When asked why he was running against Bush he said, “If the country wants to go in a liberal direction, it doesn’t bother me as long as I’ve made the best case I can. What I can’t stand are the backroom deals. They’re all in on it, the insider game, the establishment game—this is what we’re running against.” That should sound familiar.

Both of those efforts to broaden the establishment coalition to include the majority of white Americans failed, but they set up the 2016 Trump run. While it is clear that the Perot and Buchanan efforts failed in their mission, it is too soon to know if the Trump effort is a failure. The cracking of important institutions like the media and now the voting process will have consequences into the future. Perot and Buchanan focused on the people, while Trump focused on the system itself.

What we have seen thus far in the 30 years since the end of the Cold War is two of the three ways people can attempt to broaden the ruling coalition. Both are reform efforts that start outside with the desire to end up inside. Perot wanted to bring in new people, who would represent the broader public. Buchanan and Trump both wanted to reform the system by reforming one of the parties. Buchanan wanted a genuine right-wing party, while Trump wanted a populist party.

The third way, of course, is the purely outsider movement. This is when the unrepresented create an alternative outside the ruling coalition. They either peacefully compel the ruling elite to acknowledge their interests or they replace the ruling elite, and the system they rule, with a new elite and a new system. This is exactly what happened with the American Revolution. A new elite replaced the old elite and created a system that worked for them to replace the old system.

This is what makes the current moment so dangerous. Within one generation three efforts to broaden the ruling coalition have failed, while the condition of the unrepresented has declined. Just as important, the number of people feeling threatened by the status quo has increased. In the 1990’s, reformers were speaking for the white working class. Today, it is the broader middle-class that is becoming increasingly radicalized by the intransigence of the ruling class.

Another subtle point of comparison between now and that previous revolutionary moment is the divide between the reform from within crowd and the emerging outsiders, rallying around the election fraud. Ann Coulter took a swipe at Nick Fuentes over his criticism of some things she said. Coulter’s Tory instincts got the better of her and she inadvertently confirms the Fuentes criticism. Despite her reformist rhetoric, Queen Ann has always been a loyalist.

Another little glimpse of this divide is in the Ed Dutton interview of Steve Sailer last week, in which the election was a topic. Sailer strangely says that he has seen no evidence of election fraud. This is something you hear from other old paleocons and it reflects that old loyalist instinct. They cannot question the integrity of the system, as their goal has always been to join the system as a reformer. Therefore, their faith in the system is unshakable. It is civic nationalism in a nutshell.

Finally, the other bit of comparison is that the Founders did not view themselves as radicals or revolutionaries. The Declaration itself is a bourgeoise document filled with objectivist rhetoric explaining their actions.  Even at the point of the break, they sounded like men willing to meet the crown halfway. Certainly, many of them knew this was impossible and saw this moment coming for a long time, but the need to show they were forced into this position was important to them.

That same instinct is turning up in the election protests. The young people out on the streets in state capitals are using the language of reform, but are clearly ready to make a break with the system entirely. They are young and enthusiastic, so they may not see it, but the logic of their arguments can only lead to a rejection of the system as being illegitimate. If the voting system is fraudulent, then the results of it are fraudulent, making this government the fruit of a poisoned tree.

It is tempting to dismiss what is happening as heat of the moment rhetoric that will fade as passions fade. There is some truth to it. The establishment will rehabilitate some former Trump supporters like Coulter, putting them back on television. Others will temper their rhetoric in the hope of being rehabilitated. The media will try to surround the remnant in a cone of silence. The ruling class will apply the same ointments they used the last time they suffered a populist outbreak.

The trouble is, the causes of this last populist outbreak have not gone away and they promise to get worse. The fundamental problem that existed at the end of the Cold War exists today. That is, forty percent of Americans have no representation in either political party and as a result have no voice in government. The number is certainly larger, but blacks and most white liberals are so easily deluded with ceremonial tokens they imagine themselves as vital parts of the ruling coalition.

The Declaration of Independence was at the time and is today a very radical document, which is why our rulers don’t mention it much anymore. A couple of generations ago it was the center piece of civics instruction. Today it has been replaced by critical race theory and other nonsense from the multicultural fever swamps. Even so, the message still resonates today. Whenever any form of government ceases to represent the will of the people, it is the right and duty of the people to abolish it.

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363 thoughts on “The Outsider Moment

  1. Sailer showed his Toryism when he went all in the pandemic narrative. civnats gonna civnat.

    Ed Dutton ftw.

  2. Yeah I was a bit disappointed with steve sailer’s interview. he didn’t seem to have any interest in being there and kind of blew off my superchat questions. Maybe he was expecting more talk about boomersportsball

  3. Awaiting for approval, my long post is that the elite are stupid and engage in stupid schemes thinking they have no downside.
    Never forget that.

  4. The ruling elite think they are geniuses. Just ask them. The FT over the weekend had an article about the collapse of luxury housing in NYC and noted before Beer Flu that NYC saw 1600 a month leave the city, net. Wealthy people are highly mobile and form the marginal revenue (surplus/deficit) for most local budgets. SF, LA, NYC, Portland, Seattle, are the wealthy mobile (often foreign) going to stick around for CHAZ 2.0? De Blasio and Garcetti supposedly boast Biden will just give them unlimited money from endless bailouts. Confusing the Biden Crime Family lining their pockets with what they will actually get.
    Yesterday the FT had an article on Disney’s streaming service. Its #2 with 90 million subscribers, Reed Hastings at Netflix thought they’d only get 20 million. BUT one analyst noted the subscription monthly price would have to rise from $12.99 to $55 a month to bring in the revenue their collapsing cable empire still brings in. ESPN streaming only has 5 million subs, Hulu more but Disney seems unwilling to sell or invest in it.
    And Disney doesn’t have new content. Much of their content can still be bought on ebay and the like, after screwing over Alan Dean Foster for royalties they are not a place most want to do business with new content. Other than the Mandalorian they are known for value destruction (Kathleen Kennedy) than creation. Political class writ large.

  5. The GA runoff will tell us a lot. The eGOP is starting to internalize just how much Republican voters despise them. Watch the Trump rally in GA from Saturday. Loeffler is an unintelligent character with no charisma. Perdue is a smarmy elitist. When the crowd shouted them off the state with cries of “Fight for Trump!” we saw the death of the Republican Party playing out in real time. It’s not that the eGOP doesn’t know we hate them. The feeling is mutual. BUT, up until this year they could count on voters to show up to “save the Senate” and “save the Court”.

    Fortunately, voters have caught onto the scam. What good is a Senate that confirms Leftist judges who refuse to even listen to real evidence of vote fraud? What good is a SCOTUS with a Chief Justice who is a traitor and wishy washy Uniparty judges who can barely muster the votes to rule that the government actually cannot ban people from going to church unless the government also bans restaurant seating. Or something. What good is either when the end result is churches rebranding as casinos to avoid being harassed by bureaucrats?

    Like I said in 2016, the surprise of the election was that Trump had discovered a theretofore unnoticed voting block consisting of half of America. Thanks to the backstabbing duplicitous inaction by the eGOP (eg Kemp in GA), Republican voters no longer feel ANY need to GOTV. There are a few, no doubt, but more and more on the blogs people are saying “eff them! They won’t help us, let them die.”

    We’re told it’s the duty of Republican voters to vote in GA, and others to give lots of money. Increasingly, people view it as the duty of Patriots to keep their wallet closed and sit the election out.

    The legitimacy of the system is validated by the act of voting. The system is illegitimate. Voting at this point is stupid and wrong.

    • The Battered Voter Syndrome showed up immediately when the likes of Graham and Cornyn started to lobby for amnesty the moment the ink dried on their certifications, and Lee handed out H1B visas to every pajeet on the subcontinent. The Republican Party is dead. Pay no attention to the raucous funeral attendees.

  6. “Perot ran as an outsider, on the back of his folksy observations about the federal government. Despite being very rich, he was clearly a man of the lower classes.”

    Why do you assign Ross Perot to the “lower classes”? Because of his Southern accent?

    • Perot used folksy language … even described himself as an “ole cur dog” during a debate. I think that he bailed out of the race when his daughter was getting death threats … and then he came back in. That’s when people really lost interest.

  7. The United States government has no legitimacy. It’s a massively corrupt Frankenstein that lumbers about destroying lives and enslaving those it doesn’t destroy.
    In addition to the existing degradations forced on Americans, we will now be living under the thumb of a crooked Alzheimer’s patient and his Indian prostitute sidekick.
    if the Chinese army arrived on our shores, the smart move would be to save your ammunition for those that put us in this situation.

    • Government corrupt, media lies, academy propagandizes, churches secularized, China threatens, elections fraudulent, national debt in trillions, the plague, amnesty coming. Merry Christmas. Unless it turns out to be true that diversity is our strength, we are doomed.

    • As far as I know, the Small Hatters don’t run China, so maybe the Chinese will like us (White people) more than the Small Hatters do! The Chinese are over there building up their nation while we are fighting each other here due to massive 3rd-world immigration. We’re so screwed.

      • Those Chinese soldiers hate you far less, perhaps not really at all, when compared to the hat’s hatred of you.

      • The way I see it the Chicoms are working with the unnamed hand rubbers to destroy the historic American nation and people.

  8. “The Declaration of Independence was at the time and is today a very radical document, which is why our rulers don’t mention it much anymore.”

    The Declaration was NOT a “very radical document.” To the contrary, it was a very conservative document which cited the political theory of John Locke and the English understanding of government that had been established almost a century earlier by the Glorious Revolution and the English Bill of Rights.

    It was just as conservative in its day as it would be for right-wingers today to justify armed revolution based on the government’s routine violations of the First, Second, Fourth and Fifth Amendments and for acting outside the scope of the Enumerated Powers of Article I.

  9. You might recall that Perot dropped out of the race after getting frustrated with the way the media seized upon his verbal gaffes (e.g., calling a black audience “you people”.) He re-entered the race before election day and I’ve wondered how he would have fared if he had not temporarily dropped out.

    • I remember the “you people” gaffe. Of course, the media blew it out of proportion, but such is politics. Didn’t he drop out due to his daughter getting death threats, and then he jumped back in?

    • The Regime has the courts, media, Finance, 100 million supporters at least, most of the govt, the major political party, the other party is a captive opposition, academia, the schools, the Foundations.

      The real opposition are cowards, scattered, refuse to play their cards, think bitching is resistance, and have the souls of peasants.

      This will go on forever, as it is the normal state of man. For it to end the regime will have to push around the wrong group – say military or police – and then in theory there will at last be an opposition for the peasants (you) to rally around. This is only theoretical at this point, but that hope is all you have.

  10. The Declaration of Independence was based in the biological reality of the people at that time. That reality still stands, regardless of how untethered propagandized predictive programming takes us. Next stop, extra terrestrial overlords that must be obeyed. The fact we’re still here will be proof they’re the ones that saved us from climate change and covid.

    • Have you heard about the recent monoliths that seem to be popping up in various locations? Also, RT is reporting a story where an Israeli General (former?) has been in contact with alien life-forms. Get ready for the “mother of all hoaxes” … aliens have arrived!!

      • Yes, I read that. We can see aliens, especially if we are brain chipped. The predictive programming for this one has been in the works for a long time.

        The German eugenicists from operation paperclip we took under our scientific wing must have led the way in creating a trans human species that will be marketed as extra terrestrial life, even though there has been no evidence of any in our solar system.

        It has always been my suspicion that the War of The Worlds radio broadcast that caused people to suicide was a military industrial complex psyop.

        Why do we need a trans human species? Because it takes too long to terraform a planet, so we need a humanoid life form to colonize mars to survive the conditions there and perform this task for us.

  11. Z is rebelling against the reality that our oligarchs are better than past oligarchs. They are better at understanding how to manipulate the masses and how to disenfranchise them

  12. Out of curiosity, at what age does this “Nick Fuentes is just a kid and is going to make mistakes” schtick no longer work? And if he’s just a kid why do his arguments have salience? I see someone with a very high EQ who is playing to a faction that is so underserved and underrepresented that we have few options other than giving him a forum. And notice how the dissident forum is almost completely devoid of boomers other than the lone boomer Paul Ramsey, going from old man Derbyshire straight to various Gen Xers and younger. There’s a giant hole in dissident representation centered around the boomers.

    • What mistakes has he made?

      Only mistakes I see people assigning to him are ones of style an tactics

      His heart is in the right place and he’s honest.

      • I hope it is. I don’t trust him. But I don’t care either because so few people say what he’s saying that, sure, pass him the megaphone. I won’t quibble until he goes off the reservation. I didn’t care for his AZ Trump stuff lately. But I can also see a lot of dissidents being coaxed out of the Trump movement. So once again I give him a pass. I am, however, very uneasy about the whole ‘latin mass dissident” thing. It connotes implicit institutional trust. Trust where none is due, and centering around unbalanced clergy.

        • I hear ya, and honestly I do not know anything about his AZ stuff

          I’m just glad SOMEONE is calling out people like Coulter and Tucker. Coulter used to like to say that her criticism of Trump was just her keeping his feet to the fire. Well, now shoe is on her foot and she doesn’t seem to be liking it.

          Tucker especially needs it because he seems prone to flights of fancy

          • Speaking of Tucker, at least Coulter prefers NY and LA to DC. Tucker actually lives inside the district. AND, he wore a bow tie for years. There’s nothing anti-establishment about Tucker. I don’t like anyone who would like that town. What he’s doing is gently telling his own that they’ll be beheaded one day if they don’t shape up. They’ll have none of it of course. My favorite episode was when he attempted to pretend to know the Korean family in his neighborhood that owned some looted shop. Bull…f-ing…shit. And by the way, that Korean likely pays taxes on about 20% of his real income, which is good for him, but he’s not suffering. It’s the dumb whitey in flyover country who pays all his taxes that’s not doing well.

          • Tucker’s grift is being exposed

            I’m glad to see it

            But we’re from CA and have highly calibrated b.s. meters b/c our survival depends on it. People in flyover country are far more innocent and more easily duped by the likes of Tucker.

            But seems like everyone is catching on. About time. And we are all better off for it.

          • I laugh and laugh when Z Man scratches his head on his podcast as to why so many Californians seem to follow him. Because we’re living in the future here. In normieland this is like 2050. A one party state where whites are a sub-minority. But we were naive too, back in the 80’s. At least my parents were.

          • Tucker has gone wobbly and I was just thinking about the bow-tie that he used to wear. That never sat well with me and he seems to be showing his true colors although i haven’t watched him in probably a month. I’m done with all of the Foxnews guys.

        • For a little context of the Latin Mass Dissident thing, remember that the institution you decry all but banned the TLM, and had to be dragged kicking and screaming into tolerating it on an extremely limited basis. The very unbalanced clergy you criticize are the ones who fought tooth and nail to destroy the TLM. So being a TLM dissident is perfectly congruent with being an American ante-bellum restorationist..

      • Fuentes is hated because of Jelly, party success, mostly because he’s not an ankle biting coward.

        I don’t care about any stumbles from men actually doing something, not from NPCs that bitch and ankle bite from hiding.

        > I do not mean you Falcone.
        I do mean all those who risk nothing but criticize those who do risk – and Fuentes certainly is taking a risk.

  13. “Despite being very rich, he was clearly a man of the lower classes.”

    I recall that when GM bought out Perot’s EDS (making him rich and giving him a seat on the board) the culture clash with the GM stuffed shirts was such that they referred to his company as “Big Ed’s Software.”

    • This has nothing to do with taking a stand out of constitutional concerns or ethical reasons. Texas is the death box for nationwide GOP power of any kind. The Republicans there have to be kept happy and on the plantation. Secondly, Ted Cruz is clearly running in 2024. He’ll be running against Nikki Haley and Marco Rubio. And possibly Trump himself. By running point on this he can prove Trump loyalty, inoculating himself from being a turn coat, while attacking him and also bring on the Trump block instead of having it go to the other two, assuming he can knock off Trump himself. O course none of the four will be elected in 2024. The GOP is finished. It’s all community theater.

      • “Ly’n Ted”
        “Little Rubio”
        “Crooked Hillary”
        “Low Energy Jeb!”

        I’m going to miss Trump. Once you’ve been insulted by Trump, that’s your new “Forever Name”, so you’d best get used to it.

      • The Texas suit seems to have been brought, in large measure at least, by the Texas AG. Referring to your comment, I’m not sure how Cruz or anyone else figures into it. Basically, the Texas suit is claiming injury because other states engaging in unconstitutional (state level) voting procedures that have diluted the Texas vote and disenfranchised the Texas electorate … something like that.

  14. If Fuentes uses his platform to totally undermine the likes of Coulter (and all she represents), good for us

    Everyone has a role to play. For Fuentes, it’s to make the Tories crap their pants by being exposed as frauds

    • A.C. should not be out front because she is a woman, but what’s with this Year Zero mindset and punching right? Coulter “threw trump under the bus” by daily tweeting “miles of wall built: zero”? Someone trying to push for the promised immigration restrictions is “not who we are?” The campaigning and highlighting our important issues (Adios America) for years is forgotten because muh personality spat? Act like a man, not a toddler.

      • Right, but she’s pundit. She doesn’t build things and have experience with red tape. All of us who have dealt with pulling permits and navigating the bureaucracy knew getting wall built was going to be a long haul and were willing to cut Trump some deserved slack. Look at all the lawsuits. And now look, lots of the wall is up!

        She should have kept her mouth shut on this and perhaps as for advice from people who build things who could have told her to be patient. But she jumped her skis imo and threw Trump under the bus, and as Fuentes rightly notes she is now out pushing the GA senate races for a party who just gave away jobs to high tech.

        She has outlived her usefulness imo. And I personally have a hard time listening to any woman let alone one who never had kids. But that’s always been my thing, for better or worse. How God made me 😉

  15. When the Declaration of Independence is mentioned by the elites, it’s usually the phrase “… all men are created equal”. Well, you know, the thing!

    • Next time you have some liberal twink quote that to you, ask them, “do you interpret this literally?” Using a Biden term there.

      If they say “yes”, ask, “but it doesn’t say ‘all women are created equal. Some are hotter.’

      Then slap them on the back and walk away.

  16. I have read Sailer for almost 20 years and like him, but you’re right about him. I remember the Sailer vs. Jared Taylor “citizenism” debate – I sided with Taylor.
    I was always aware that I am fundamentally different than Sailer. He has indicated that making blacks empirically equal is a desirable thing – it just isn’t likely to work. This never resonated with me. I have nothing against blacks but my instinct is to root for my people  – I like the idea of us being better at everything compared to every other group.

    • For lack of a better term, Sailer is always going to be a jock sniffer, and that means he is always going to have a place in his world for blacks

        • Sailer can’t let go of that America

          For an intelligent man, he’s pretty stupid or maybe just not very street smart as they say?

          • In his citizenism argument with Taylor, he said identity politics for whites won’t ever happen because whites want to marry who they want to marry, don’t want to be racist, etc. He sees the boomer world instead and ignores the pre-boomer world. All of my grandparents were “racist” my great-grandparents, even more so.

            His (Sailer’s) world will continue until is doesn’t (or something like that).

          • Sailer lives in the past, and a very specific and idyllic past where America worked

            He seems incapable of seeing things from another point of view

      • True – I hadn’t thought about his sportsball fetish.

        I’ve always wondered if he’s trying to sneak inside the mainstream. He seems to frequently suggest (with no proof) that so-and-so mainstream figure probably reads him.

        HDB as a phrase was meant to appeal to normies. “You like biodiversity, why wouldn’t you be interested in human biodiversity?”

        • I could be wrong but he strikes me as a guy who flamed out in corporate America but always wanted to be part of it and the stature that comes with an executive level corporate position

  17. Prior to the American Revolution, or the next battle in the War of the Three Kingdoms, none of the critics of hereditary regents or advocates of democracy bothered to take a vote of the general populace to ascertain their enthusiasm for a break with the UK. In fact, those that were voluble in their wish to remain British subjects were scorned, intimidated and physically attacked. After it was over the instigators became the lords. The effects of the Declaration were very much circumscribed, as they are to this day.

  18. If you think the election in major cities, especially in the North has ever been legitimate, well, you are a low information citizen. As a young kid growing up at the time people spoke freely in front of me often. I was privy to much.
    I can talk about all of this now because everyone, literally, is dead.
    My mothers side of the family was Italian and my uncle was a Chicago City Manager under old man Daley. So we are talking 50, 60 years ago plus.
    Everyday a large black Caddy would pick him up for work. I think at the time there were 4 managers.
    When he retired my cousin took the job, which under the “new” minority Democrats became rather impotent position, and today the entire city infrastructure machine is run by blacks and hispanics, zero whites. My cousin never got a Caddy and a driver.
    The entire family worked for machine in all departments: asphalt was JoeyD, forestry was Junior, health department Bud, Rose and Carm were in records Louis sanitation, Ribby,…. on and on and on. And many of their spouses, kids, cousins, etc.
    You needed a tree removed? Done. You needed a driveway coated? Done. You needed a phony birth certificate to start working at 15? Done.
    Anyway, the gist of the story is many uncles/family members were also Precinct captains and they had a specific job on election day. When any city employee came in they were to stick their head behind the curtain to make sure they pulled the handle for Daley.
    No pull for Daley, no job tomorrow. And they really didn’t even hide this ploy much.
    This is just one way they controlled the vote. Just imagine the rest.
    This was before the days of cameras and poll watchers. Today we have a seen a little of it thanks to camera technology, but there is nothing new under the left wing fascist Sun.
    There is no winning against this system, and Obama after 8 years instituted nationally in all strong holds. The fix is complete.
    The difference is those in charge are now all black, with a smattering of radical Hispanics. Whites are finished in these areas. Eventually finished nationally if nothing changes.
    It is rather ironic. The machine system created by whites is now used to eradicate them. This is how stupid, as a race, we have been.

    • Sailer wants to us to believe that Laquisha at the precinct counting votes is going to be ethical and honest and if given the chance would never ever do anything to harm whitey

      Sailer talks all the time about black propensity for criminality, and one has to take him at his word that he actually believes what he writes, and yet here is faced with that very prospect and he buries his head in the sand

      He’s utterly useless

      • He’s sixty two, an atheist, sickly and afraid of death and suffering.
        Go find young people to fight your battles instead of clinging to senior citizens and old people who write stuff you like.
        The oldest people who should be fighting this are mostly Gen X and we are the geezers And yes there is the occasional Matt Bracken or other veteran. he’s there because he is vet not a keyboard commando.
        War is a young man’s game.

    • What this implies is that even the Ellis Island flood of immigration was a detriment to the country. My. 1920’s Protestant family would have agreed. What it tells me is that democracy is far too fragile to work outside of a rural, land owning, ethnically monolithic society.

      • I fully agree

        Everyone talks about “Italians assimilated” or Poles, Irish, French, etc

        Ok, many did, but many never did and still live in ethnic enclaves. Guidos are a running joke, for example. Or Irish Townies. Look at Cubans in Dade. or Cajuns in Louisiana. Not much assimilation there.

  19. Anyone who attends American public school knows about the Declaration of Independence, if nothing else. It’s also regularly cited by the left because of the equality claptrap. The document is constantly used to legitimate the ruling class. It — not the Constitution — is the document they use. Nor is this new. Lincoln, incredibly enough, used it against southern independence! If you’re depending on the Declaration of Independence, you’ve already lost.
    The idea people have the right to remove their government comes a century earlier from John Locke, anyhow.
    The gap between Fuentes on the one hand, and Sailer and Coulter, on the other is primarily generational — millennials vs. boomers. That said, while Coulter may be rehabilitated by the ruling class (although I suspect her hostility towards immigration has placed her beyond the Pale), Sailer will never be accepted. Race realism is a bridge too far.

    • Yes, Comrade Cuomo hates Jews that are not “Reformed Jews” and has a target on their backs. He wants to crush them.

      • And, contra a number of people even here, they are not your friend. They voted Trump merely because he was Israel’s bestest friend (and their rebbe told them to). They would spit on you if you were to try to shake their hand. Most of their children barely learn English. None of them should be on US soil.

  20. One old cliche’ found in nearly every economics publication since the early 1990’s is that China will be this free, open, democratic country in (insert future timeframe) bur RIGHT NOW they tolerate a kleptoctracy that makes all important decisions in smoke filled rooms. They say they do this because the kleptocracy has been making it rain for the little guy in China and as long as the Chinese see economic progress, they don’t mind their rulers. But one day, when China stalls out…look out! Well….why don’t they apply this rhetoric to Washington D.C.? One can arguably say that the real economy stalled out in 1999/2000. The financial economy stalled out in 2007/2008, and ever since then we have smoke filled rooms of kleptocrats giving us an ever lower standard of living. So by their own logic, the American people SHOULD be up in arms right about now. But no. They don’t see themselves as a corrupt oligarchy, but a benevolent group of Anderson Cooper types who just need to be listened to, because they “know better.” The truth about oligarchies of all types is that they’re only strong armed out of their chairs. It can come in various ways, but in the end our oligarchy will likely be less durable than the Chinese one.

    • The thing to keep in mind was that by the early nineties, not only had we reformed Japan and Germany into respectable junior superpowers but we had defeated the Soviet empire with a ploy similar to the Chinese scheme. Thus far the scheme has been a abysmal failure in many important ways, but it may yet win out should China lose control of the debt-dragon that they’re riding (not that I really care at this point).

      • I don’t think we “defeated” the Soviets. Their business model wasn’t working, just like the Corleone family left the olive oil business. We sent some “free market advisors” from Harvard (yeah, right!) to privatize the state assets which just happened to end up in the hands of mid-level jewish technocrats who somehow found the financial resources to do so despite being a “persecuted minority”.

    • From what little I know of the Chinese State it seems to be to a fairly large degree a meritocracy, and seems to enjoy a large majority of support among the people.There’s a guy over at Unz who seems fairly well informed whose name escapes me (and after the rigors of filling in for Skeptic16’s indolence I can’t be bothered to look him up) He’s a bit too effusive but his opinion is largely consistant with observable facts.
      I particularly like the way China regularly decides some Mayor or other middle ranker is corrupt and relieves him of his head in less than a month. It must concentrate the mind of the others.

  21. Actually both Coulter and Fuentes were wrong, with a circular chicken and egg argument. Fuentes was wrong to support Trump given all of his anti-white baggage. Coulter is wrong to support the GA Senate candidates, who are both establishment ghouls. Both of them should be anti-Trump and anti-Vapid Establishment Senate candidates. As Coulter pointed out, Fuentes doesn’t have the capital to oppose the little crooked politicians when he spent it all supporting the big crooked politician. But that only makes Coulter wrong on all counts herself.

      • She was kept around for going after Trump from the right flank (and justifiably so, since mid 2017). Now, she’ll be disappeared like the others. And far, far less interesting and more wishy-washy commentators have already been disappeared.

        • The schiziness of dating Bill Maher and running with Matt Drudge, then crowning herself with a conservative persona is palpable.

          • She’s in the business. It’s part of the business. It’s the whole NY LA thing that’s been going on since 1960. Keep in mind that she doesn’t work for free, as long as she’s entertaining and on-point. She’s not an activist. She’s an entertainer that in my opinion has genuine feelings on white replacement.

    • Fuentes is a kid and is going to make mistakes

      He’s still learning about life

      Ann has no excuse, and she’s been all over the place slobbering over Chris Christie, Romney, trump. She’s a friggin groupie without the guts to go after rock stars so she goes after politicians

      Screw her.

      Although everyone probably has

      • I’m talking about the arguments themselves not the personae behind the arguments or their motives. Just because Coulter is used up doesn’t make her wrong on immigration or other things. On this issue Fuentes is half right and she’s all wrong.

          • Anyone in her profession, playing the narrow field, has to be thought of as a fraud first, and then you go from there. Who’s not a fraud in that arena? Pure activists are generally too boring for media consumption. By the way I also give Fuentes a pass on that for the same reason. I really don’t see her as a groupie though. I do see her as a high end Manhattan bar fly who loves attention. I also see her as bisexual for some reason. But not because she hates men. I think she has a very male mind. She reminds me of some of the female science majors in college.

          • Groupie, bar fly…same difference 😉

            But yeah, for me as a “true believer” and lover of Western Civilization, that she has turned its demise into a way to make lots of money is never going to sit well with me. So I am glad when a Fuentes comes along and calls her out from a rightward position. She thinks this is all fun and games. It’s not.

  22. An intelligent ruling oligarchy would have co-opted allof these movements,taking up some of their positions, taking in some of their members, moderating some of their own extremists, and generally neutering the movements, and there is ample precedent for this, it’s basically how the British aristocracy headed off a French-style revolution,and won another 130-150 years of de-facto rule. But so great is the hatred and contempt of our ruling class for ordinary Americans, they can’t do this, even though it would be in their own self-interest. And if you leave people with no alternative s other than revolution, secession, or both, well, don’t act surprised when that’s what you get.

    • If we ignore them (Walk Away, as Z advocates) they will come crawling back

      Same tactics a man uses for a girlfriend apply here

      They hold us in contempt because they keep lying and cheating on us and we keep coming back for more. Normal human behavior for them to hold pushovers and cuckholds in contempt

    • It was the ascendancy of the Minoritarian Jews, who have positioned themselves as unshakably opposed to White Christian Gentiles being in charge, that has brought on the crisis.

      Cast an eye back over the last 30-50 years and find their influence constantly working toward the disempowerment, and ultimately, the demographic replacement of White Christian Gentiles, the people who devised the republican governance that built the country. Chosenites at the helm in every crucial node, gnawing at the wires and undermining the foundational prerequites for republican governance. Republican governance permitted of a truly substantial degree of diversity within the populace; but for them, with their insatiable desire to arrogate power without any possible pushback, the imposition of an increasingly centralized and monolithic federal government indistinguishable from an autocratic form of governance has been their desired solution. Ironically, the vitiation of local or regional variation instead of increasing national power, has made the nation highly succeptible to being weakened by other more focused nations, or by transnational corporations other globalist institutions. But, despite this, the Little Hats love them that shit; fewer checks on self-dealing, wider scope for same, and increased opportunities for exploiting hot capital flows for enrichment and, should things get dicey for the Tribe, as a means of capital flight for relocation.

  23. They either peacefully compel the ruling elite to acknowledge their interests or they replace the ruling elite, and the system they rule, with a new elite and a new system. This is exactly what happened with the American Revolution. A new elite replaced the old elite and created a system that worked for them to replace the old system.

    I have to disagree here. The AR was not an example of the emergence of a new elite.

    What happened was a geographically isolated faction of junior members of the old elite asserted themselves. The “new elite” was not new, they were well-established plantation owners. I see no faction in the current political landscape that could pull of something similar.

  24. “Read my lips, no new taxes…”
    That lie opened the door to Perot as much as anything Buchanan did. The first time mainstream Republican voters really had their faces rubbed in what the party elites really are.

    • And he made an in-your-face joke about it to his voters when he was out for a jog, quipping to the press “Read my hips.”
      Remember thinking @ the time, “what a schmuck!”
      Bush I is why we got Clinton, & Clinton is why we got Bush II. Obama is why we got Trump.

  25. The CCP has successfully infiltrated our government, in both a top-down and bottom-up fashion, with little or no opposition. They have established Maoist strongholds by indoctrination and struggle session style enforcement in our schools.

    That element is now being extracted from the fabric of our culture, leaving in its wake some interesting holes we should view as doors of opportunity. We should be filling this vacuum.

    The lockdowns were purposed to prevent grassroots movements from forming in opposition to globalist enforcements. If this is their perception of the threat, then be the threat.

    • Totally agree

      they have taken over America without firing a shot

      One would think the USSR would have been more effective at it in their day, but they lacked China’s money. All that time China was thinking “We use Soviet tactics but we build our economy and pay them off. Yipeee!!!!”

      Chris Matthews years before he went off the rails said as much, that American businessmen would sell China the rope to hang us

  26. Remember ’92 well and was one of those people realizing that once the Cold War was over, our “elites” really had no idea what to do. (Read “While We’ll Soon Miss the Cold War”–published back around 90-91in the Atlantic) Voted for Perot because he seemed to be the only guy, in his quirky way, that realized what was “next”. But something very different in the air now. The benefit of Trump being elected is all pretense and subtlety was dropped by our erstwhile masters in the effort to mount an immune response to the Trump virus. And don’t believe there is any way to reel that back in with calls for “unity”. Hot, cold or in between, it’s war now.

  27. Perot was right about a lot of things but his weirdness about his daughters wedding or whatever that issue was kinda gave me pause. Buchanan was a normal guy. Perot nor Trump are quite as normal and stable as Buchanan was. Trump has his weird baggage too. I just wished the nation would have seen the value of Pat Buchanan.
    But it is what it is.
    We need a new system not the cucky Republicans of Conservative Inc today.
    I oppose Ann Coulter and her vindeta against all things Trump.

    • I oppose Ann Coulter
      That’s too much, a grown ass man should not even care about the opinions of a 60 year old woman.

      • Ann has been right about Trump every step of the way. She was right to endorse him and she was right to warn about him. She might be a loyalist, but within that framework, she’s been bang on the money from day one.

        • Fuentes’ snowflaking on Trumps behalf is embarrassing, Q-tier cuckery. So Trump is better than Clinton? Whooo!

        • An interesting article of hers was a mea culpa on her thinking that she got swindled by Paula Jones. The piece gave her a level of humanity apart from the regular Town Hall drubs and left the window open to the fact that she can admit that she was wrong.

        • Was she bang on the money when she slobbered over Chris Christie or Romney?

          Let me answer for you. No

          Does she take immigration restriction seriously if she has spread her legs for Christie and Romney ? And Romney, a Mormon, whose entire m.o. is finding more warm bodies for the mother church, like he was ever going to be opposed to immigration from Mexico when his family was down there recruiting and living for a time and he staffs his houses with Mexicans.

          She’s a fraud, and I’m glad Fuentes finally called her out

          • Was she bang on the money when she slobbered over Chris Christie or Romney?

            I said she’s been right about Trump, but who would you have endorsed rather than Romney? “Nobody” is not an answer – we’ve already established she believes in the system like a good Boomer, so it’s a game of picking the least damaging to America.

            She’s a fraud, and I’m glad Fuentes finally called her out.

            Fraud? That’s a new one, what you usually hear is “she sells too many books”.

            he staffs his houses with Mexicans.

            I bet Trump doesn’t hire Mexicans.

          • Trump’s faults don’t excuse hers

            And IIRC it wasn’t that she jumped on the Romney bandwagon after he had secured the nomination but rather pumping him at the onset of the primaries or even before. She was a huge Romney groupie from way back

            I get that you find some value in her. I respect that. I just don’t have a lot of love for the person.

      • Seems all she has cared about for years is squawking enough to get camera time so she can hawk her newest book.

        • all i can remember from her is that she wanted young white studs to take care of her pool, mestizos just weren’t doing it for her, guess there are some benefits to having mexican workers in your country.

          • guess there are some benefits to having mexican workers in your country.

            Which she tirelessly points out: the people who are in favor of open borders are those who benefit from low-wage maids and pool boys.

            And yes, such menial tasks should be done by white kids. Only thirty years ago, +50% of all cleaning jobs were done by students here in Denmark. Today it’s all done by East Europeans mafias or Somalis.

            I don’t understand the Coulter-hate. She’s a lot more based than Tucker, which is why Tucker still works for corporate media and Ann is going on small, third-rate talk radio shows.

    • Victor Hanson rightly points out that most game changers inevitably come with certain baggage that generally causes the populace to reject them once their utility is exhausted. Think Churchill turned from office at the end of WWII. A (correct) crank before the war, only leader with the guts not to sue for peace. But he also had a staunchly colonialist mindset and was no fan of “vibrancy”. So off he went.

    • Perot was easy to mock. He reminded people of Marvin the Martian. It speaks to the message that such an odd guy could ride it to national prominence.

    • Considering Bush I was head of the CIA and his son’s (Bush II) first instinct was to set up a massive domestic surveillance state on 9/11 makes you think, you know, maybe Perot might have been onto something when he talked about his family being spied on for political reasons.

      Because he was ex-military, ex-Naval Academy, and part of his company was in pre-fall Shah of Iran, you can bet that he had CIA contacts friendly to him. Hell, they might have been on the payroll.

      He probably knew a lot more than he could ever say in public without getting arrested. No one would have believed it in the innocent days of the 90’s. He was an old school patriot anyway; would’ve kept his mouth shut if asked.

    • What Fuentes et. al. gets wrong is hitching their wagon to TRUMP. I support them 100% if their message is about voter fraud, but turning this whole thing into supporting MY LEADER TRUMP is embarrassing. Trump doesn’t give a shit about Fuentes or Ali. He gives a shit about his daughter, and golfing, and Twitter. I think the likes of Coulter and Enoch pick up on this, and won’t fully support a movement that is lionizing TRUMP in this way.

      • At this point, there is no way to separate Trump from the issue of election fraud. A few weeks from now, expect that separation to happen. Fuentes and the Zoomers will re-position to a post-Trump world.

        • Zman what is your view of Zoomer’s Scott Greer and Patrick Casey as compared to Fuentes? Also Jason Kohne No White Guilt in there?

          • I met Greer once, but he did not leave a lasting impression. Casey I know. He’s a solid guy. I don’t know Jason, other than seeing him on Collett’s show.

    • Her complaint about Trump is that he isn’t sending enough illegals back, and that he’s considering amnesty for illegals. This doesn’t exactly make her pro-establishment.

  28. PSA: Sailer is a pro-vax mark and is publicly praising an obvious vax-shill account he is allowing to run amok in his comment threads.

    • Ja, Wild Geese, this is so crystal clear.
      It is truly odious; Sailer and the commenter,”That would be telling”, need to get a room. While Sailer may have somewhat legitimate concerns about his immune system after his close call with cancer, the kowtowing to that commenter, who is pointlessly rude, and given to ad hominems instead of answering considered criticisms, is really beyond the pale.

      What really browned me off was the post with the headline announcing the death of Chuck Yeager with no commentary from him about Yeager, but rather an extended non sequitur about the black baseball player, Richie Allen. Surprised he didn’t then launch on to another non sequitur about golf, maybe about Tiger Woods, once the course of the post was established. I mean, fuck, Yeager was the quintessential white guy hero, and not a word? Mind-forged manacles -particularly those clamped tight by oneself – are a terrible thing.

      • Yeah, the Yeager thing was just odd – I mean, if you want to go yammering on about Richie Allen, create a separate post. Beside, I was a baseball fan around that time, and I didn’t even remember Allen until Sailer mentioned him, it’s not like he was DiMaggio or Mantle or anything – he was a surly proto-Knee Taker who had a few good years. Even putting him in the same paragraph with Yeager is outrageous.

  29. That is absolutely shocking that Steve Sailer said there was no evidence of election fraud. Nothing could be more obvious. You know, I saw those ballots in Georgia. The Sunday before the election I drove up to the mountains and I was just north of the city driving past the Fulton County Annex and there is a U-Haul parked in the street with its hazards on and a bunch of black guys wheeling black suitcases into the annex. I knew something was wrong when I saw it and now course I know what it was

    • Steve Sailer said there was no evidence of election fraud.

      Yes, Mr Sailer hasn’t distinguished himself this year with some of his writings.

  30. The Ron Paul movement was another attempt at reform. It was hampered by his libertarianism and professorial demeanor. Even though he represented the largest minority bloc in the GOP, They shut him down, not allowing even a 1 minute speech at either convention. McCain and Romney, both odious, especially couldn’t tolerate Paul’s criticism of the Forever Wars. That gave Trump a big issue when he ran in 2016.

    • Even leftists at the time thought Ron Paul was getting the shaft. (This was a bare 8 years ago when leftists were still anti-war.) Paul deserves a place at the table with Perot and Buchanan. Though when Paul’s time came, the uniparty and media was hopelessly corrupt and didn’t give him a chance. If it was 4 or 8 years earlier, he may have gotten Perot-like support.

      • R. Paul had the audacity to introduce a bill returning rule of law to the legislators and away from the unelected administrators.

        Judicial law, by elected representative legislators, includes separation of powers executive, legislative, and judicial; right to trial by peers, discovery, and appeal; and a presumption of innocence.

        Administrative law has none of these protections, being judge, jury, and executioner.

        Administrative law began in 1888 with the creation of the Interstate Commerce Commission. Our first socialist diktator, FDR, with the help of his imported army of USSR Communists, created hundreds of agencies that bypassed the Republic’s governmental limits.

        Re Ron Paul, the Swamp struck back, protecting itself.

      • Ron Paul was either 12 years too early or 12 years too late. I appreciate that he called the Reagan administration a failure during a GOP debate – at the Reagan Library.

  31. Shutting down all the small businesses is starving all the Trump supporters and the populist. Could the Ukraine and the holodomor happen here?

    • Yes, hunger ala Holodomor or Gorta Mor [Irish – great famine] is an obvious card to play, although hungry works better than dying.
      Meaning Hungry people are easier to control than starving people. All that is necessary is for the money to become worthless for transactions and the American food distribution system collapses. As the only thing necessary for the $ to become worthless is Price Discovery it may happen anyway.

      • One question about the Irish “Great Famine” puzzles me: What did the Irish subsist on before the English introduced them to the Potato recently brought back from the New World by Christopher Columbus?

        • Interesting question. But that is like saying what did Americans do before internal combustion engines: if the thing relied on for centuries went away tomorrow, switching back wouldn’t be an option amongst the huge collapse of the status quo.

        • Their population was much smaller. The introduction of the potato allowed northern European populations to grow much further than old world crops that aren’t as comfortable with cool climates
          The potato had similar effects on us Finns and we went from a population of a hundred thousand to millions with it. Then we eventually ended up with 19th century famines when the blight hit and there was nothing that could quickly replace the potato to feed that population.

  32. Washington DC stole the election from Trump. Trump is planning to ‘steal’ it back. If ‘constitutional’ niceties can be maintained so much the better. Otherwise the outcome will depend on the correlation of forces. How many regiments does Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden command?

      • If you mean actual regiments, none.
        If you mean millions of bureaucrats and the commanding heights of talk and money [lawyers, media, bankers] then yes they command those regiments.

        • It is so easy to deal with the bureaucrats. You fire them. These are not unruly nobles with their own power bases and conflicting loyalties, they are hirelings. And if we can be gulled by worry over losing our jobs (and we can) then so can they.

    • Trump can steal the election back legally. Declare martial law, nationalize the National Guard in the five states in question, and mandate a do-over election. Shut down the Silicon Valley Oligarchs and the MSM Media Lords. Hold military tribunes for election fraud and prosecute the ring-leaders. Done deal.

  33. Yes there is opportunity, but lacking any real physical real world preparation – not talk, not blogs- there will be no “luck.”

    = sums to status quo.

    Sad to say.

  34. Steve Sailer saying he sees no evidence of fraud really astounds me. Civic nationalism or undying belief in institutions doesn’t explain it well for me. One of us is not right in the head and I don’t think it’s me.

    If he thinks California of which he lives in is doing hunky dory then we have to put this guy out to pasture. (I don’t know if he does, but if?)

    • I listened to that interview and when Sailer said that, it was astonishing. And Dutton agreed with him, although I get the feeling he hasn’t followed the election fraud that closely. When it comes to numbers and statistical probabilities, etc, I normally would put Dutton and Sailer right at the top of the list. It’s also surprising that on yesterday’s TDS show, Mike Enoch also said he didn’t think there was enough election fraud to swing the results. But maybe that’s Trump dislike talking.

      • It is completely idiotic of him. If your girlfriend goes out for a night with the girls and turns her location services off, you don’t need a smoking gun because that’s your smoking gun. If it happens five times, well…

        But Sailer should know this. It is basic noticing protocol, and that he misses it is astonishing.

        • A funny thing with the paleos is they could never return the favor. They were ejected with prejudice from polite society, but always longed to be rehabilitated. I’ve never understood it, but I suspect it is due to never having been in polite society. It’s hard to lament the loss of something you never had. It’s why I have a soft spot for them. It is probably very hard to feel rejected by your peers or people you see as your peers.

          • Paul Gottfried never seems to take this approach though. I think Cotto and him want you back on the show to discuss why this is the best time ever to convert Normies to our more dissident right side.

    • Sailer’s reluctance over the past five years or so to move forward has been interesting and saddening. He seems stuck in a time warp at about the year 2000, constantly trying to convince David Brooks-types that it’s in their interest to lay off Whites.

      I realize that Sailer always hoped to be part of the accepted pundit crowd around the level of Murray and Coulter, but he had to have realized years ago that this wasn’t going to happen. In addition, he’s definitely noticed that even crew is being replaced by more militant and younger writers so there’s not much left to join anyway.

      I suppose for some it’s just hard to accept that the world that they grew up in is dying.

        • Sailer doesn’t want to notice these changes. He doesn’t want White communities slowly breaking apart. He still hopes that the logic of Citizenism will win over the ((TPTB)) out of self-interest.

          It’s too late for that, Steve.

      • “I suppose for some it’s just hard to accept that the world that they grew up in is dying.”

        Yes, it most certainly is. I’m about Sailer’s age, and, yeah, it’s hard, no exaggeration, it’s like watching a close family member die – they may not have been perfect, but they were yours, and its so hard to leave it behind. But it has to be done.Sailer is a lot like Jared Taylor – he’s brave and honest, and still does some very good work, and our side probably wouldn’t exist without him, but there’s a certain point beyond which he will not go. All you can do is note that, shake your head, and move on. I loved my country more than I can put into words – but gone is gone.

        • I look at it like my country dumped me, like a girl would, and since I have been dumped before I was hardened to it and am able to deal with it

          Some people can’t come to grips with being dumped, I guess

        • I can see that. Sailer has done our side a tremendous service and stayed independent when I’m sure that it cost him a lot – which is why I still send him money every month.

          But his unwillingness to acknowledge the current reality and what’s best for his people is odd. It has to be a flashing billboard in his face every day, and, yet, he (quietly) ignores it. He has to know where this all ends.

        • Whatever works for you, I guess. Yeah, it had a lot of bad things in it, but it had a lot of good things as well. I wish you luck in building a better one, and I mean that sincerely.

          • It did. It was great. But it’s not the same place. It’s like some lady wearing your grandma’s clothes pretending to be her and her telling you that your family has always been terrible.

            Screw you, lady. You’re not my grandma, and how dare pretend to be her. I don’t hate grandma. I hate this lady pretending to be her.

            Nothing will bring back grandma.

          • Thanks! Most of us are along for the ride anyway but might as well make the best of it, you know?

    • A lot of people seem to assume you need a Snidely Whiplash character twirling his mustache while explaining to a camera how they are going to commit fraud.
      In truth, we all know that left to their own devices, people will do whatever cheating they need to win. The null hypothesis for any election should therefore be “The election was fraudulent unless very compelling evidence states otherwise.”
      Can anyone say with the issues with machines with proprietary code, massive issues with chain of command, vote counting going on for WEEKS, unobserved ballot counting, and non-existent signature matching that this is the case?

      • A lot of people seem to assume you need a Snidely Whiplash character twirling his mustache while explaining to a camera how they are going to commit fraud.

        I dunno, there seem to be plenty of those too, like that Arab that threatened the kids of that Michigan election official.

      • A number of years ago, I was impounded on a Grand Jury for several months. The initial part of the “impressment” was a couple weeks of training in AZ Revised Statutes. Sort of “Law School Light”. One thing I remember was the DA lecturing on rules of evidence—especially circumstantial evidence. Circumstantial evidence being *preferred*, all things being equal—people suck at what they remember and can testify directly to—but eye witnesses always impress a jury the most. We were warned against this.

        I see that situation here. Folks don’t believe that fraud was blatant in the last election because they want to see witnesses and hear stories (impossible) about the myriad and distributed efforts to rig the election for Biden. Hence we get the silly retort, “not enough evidence to turn the election”, whereas the circumstantial evidence calling the whole of the election into dispute is ignored—when it is the more correct and inductive evidence in such matters.

        Z-man saw this a couple weeks ago an wrote eloquently on such.

        • But some impersonal evidence is compelling. Vote totals with decimal places, as seen in Georgia I believe, have no part in an America that doesn’t really practice “three fifths of all other Persons”.

    • If he thinks California of which he lives in is doing hunky dory

      Between being a pro-vax mark, denying election fraud, and him living in his closet I’m permanently done with Sailer.

      • Sailer just can’t bring himself to cross the river to our side. That said, his writings bring a lot of people to riverbank so they can see the other side. It’s up to them (with our help) to get them across.

        • Precisely. These folk start the masses thinking, we close the deal. It’s a partnership, not a competition.

          • Agree somewhat. I believe that’s the result of Sailer’s work, but I no longer believe it’s Sailer’s intent. I don’t think that he wants what’s on our side. It’s just that his noticing gets people to the riverbank regardless.

            Sailer refuses to give up on Citizenism, which is just HBD Civic Nationalism. He doesn’t want separate White communities. But since Citizenism is a bankrupt idea, his readers sooner or later start to look elsewhere. Again, that’s the result, not the intent.

      • Sailer is getting hammered in the comments section on the Charles Blow column he posted. He hasn’t pushed back much when his readers have gone after him over Covid. It is bizarre that he and Ron Unz seem to think the only topic we should trust the government on is Covid and the distribution of this vaccine.

        • I don’t trust Ron Unz. The paranoid part of me wonders if he is just taking names for future proscription lists. Stuff Black People Like has not been the same since it went under Unz. I’ve had too many comments “awaiting moderation” there. I’ve moved on to modernheretic for the gallows humor.

        • For some reason, lots of older people are just shit-terrified of Covid, even those who are usually pretty gutsy about things, for reasons that escape me.

          • Lack of faith in the afterlife if I had to guess. Either that or they’re sure they’re going to hell 🙂

            Plus they grew up on TV and the TV tells them it’s the plague.

    • I began reading Sailer many, many years ago (long before he joined Unz). He has never moved beyond his initial beliefs and style. He is tepid, which gets you an old man frightened of the flu and telling the young’ns to settle down and work with their fellow multikult ‘citizens’ to fix the eternal system. I side with God on the tepid.

      • Rather they know how far he will push, and that ultimately he doesn’t really matter. He won’t explicitly advocate for Whites so his ‘citizenism’ matters only to those who will follow him in an endless loop, and those respectable Conservative Inc. writers whose ranks he desperately wishes to join can and will safely ignore him.

  35. Slight off-topic tangent:
    The Declaration always struck me as a post hoc justification for what the founders were going to do anyways. It was more or less some enlightenment rhetoric to justify the rising elite taking power.
    Read the Declaration and then read the British response. Who sounds like the more reasonable party?
    Especially enjoyed this line from the Brits: “No precise, unequivocal terms of submission to the authority of Parliament in any case, have ever been offered by any Assembly. A concession has only produced a further demand, and I verily believe if every thing had been granted short of absolute Independence, they would not have been contented; “

    • Americans wanted to do their own thing and were willing to fight for it. Couldn’t be said directly I guess.

    • Even if the colonies had seats in the Parliament, they would have been outvoted and placed in the same position without the moral argument of having no representation.

  36. I’d go as far to say the “system” is really our race and as long it is only us within it that reform might be possible.

    personally, I just can’t see how reform is possible as long as blacks are here. ((()))s are also a problem but they can be constrained with some will power, and they reflexively and rather peacefully revert back to that outsider position like a cat picked up by the scruff. ,

    • That’s always the hang up. Some stasis could be found between all the other groups in the landmass save one: the lowest common denominator is just too low.

    • I think you’ve got that backwards. The negroes would be nothing without jewish agitprop. Of course, the best situation would be to be free of BOTH.

  37. The third way, of course, is the purely outsider movement. This is when the unrepresented create an alternative outside the ruling coalition. They either peacefully compel the ruling elite to acknowledge their interests or they replace the ruling elite, and the system they rule, with a new elite and a new system. This is exactly what happened with the American Revolution. A new elite replaced the old elite and created a system that worked for them to replace the old system.

    Thats not what happened with the American revolution. Most of the leaders had been leaders in the colonial era. They were all elites – wealthy and influential people. What they did was eliminate the foreign domination and the limits it imposed on them – a large percentage of the grievance in the DoI are royal limits on their governments. They rationalized the separation with natural rights and other sentiments that they clearly did not fully believe. Those ideas were then internalized and took on a life of their own as the founding myths of the new country.

    The situation today is much different. The dissidents are completely outside the system. An analog to pre revolutionary America would be state and local governments rebelling against the central government – roughly what happened in the Civil War in 1860. But today, the local and state governments are at least as pozed as the central government, many more so.

    And there is similarity of thought and purpose between the central and local governments than existed in the colonial era, or really, any other in US history. And the culture of the political elites has also subsumed the business and cultural elites.

    Coordination has replaced the tension that previously existed – which creates a type of American fascism – (one aspect of this is that businesses do not pursue profit in the marketplace in the way they did in the past – political considerations have replaced customer attraction as the prime driver of business decisions). The elites are more unified and broader than ever before and also (perhaps as a consequence) more estranged from the large society than ever before. It truly is coming to resemble a foreign military occupation more than anything else.

  38. For another glimpse, Charles Murray admitted on Twitter that he voted for Biden. He said he didn’t reluctantly because Trump is not Presidential. He did not respond with any further explanation or justification that I saw. He also regularly praises his AEI colleague Jonah Goldberg, even though Goldberg is the personification of an intellectual lightweight and doesn’t defend Murray when the mob gets ginned up after him.

    • The evolution of Murray has been interesting and saddening to watch.

      He said he didn’t reluctantly because Trump is not Presidential.

      Not presidential, eh? Perhaps somebody can correct me, but I cannot recall him regularly banging the ‘white guilt’, ‘white supremacy’, ‘apologize for your history’ war-drums – like almost every other ‘Presidential’ candidate.

    • I have read Murray and respected him despite flaws that were evident in him. Now I loathe him and his ilk.

      • Murray and Sailer are two of a kind. Eternal civnats with eternal justifications and qualifications for everything. How many times has Sailer discussed black employment, yet he and his acolytes are at it again. Yet he will never use his platform to push explicitly White issues and solutions. These are people to be jettisoned, not lauded. They anchor one in the eternal past.

      • Murray was also on stage with William Kristol when Kristol stated essentially that he would trade immigrants from third world countries for white blue collar workers in the rust belt. Murray never offered a rebuttal.

    • “not Presidential”

      That’s literally the dumbest criteria for voting.

      Sad that Murray isn’t brave enough to admit that he’s simply a tard.

      • I think the direct quote is that he “sighed and reluctantly voted for Biden.” Even if being “not Presidential” was his criteria, what about Joe Biden is Presidential? If the woke mob ever amassed enough power to throw people in prison for thought crimes, Murray would be an early target and Biden would eagerly sign off on it. He actively voted against his own interests based on standards that he knows full well were shredded decades ago.

        • “What’s presidential about Biden?”
          Well, he fondles little kids. Clinton did that so it must be “presidential”.
          Where was the stinking press when horndog JFK was buggering everything in sight?
          Pathetic retards.

      • Especially considering Biden has dementia. How “presidential” is it going to be when he pisses his pants during a State dinner?

      • Quite a few people have bought into the “vote for Biden because Trump is non-presidential” thing. Because decorum matters more than endless Middle East wars, illegal aliens stealing all the work and gibs, selling out to China, and strip mining the people of the Republic, for the benefit of the privileged few. Got it, right, your feelz are more important than anything else here. We are so screwed…

        • Quite right. I have a family member who is in academia and he is from the GHW Bush wing of the Republican party. If I bring up Trumps name in any conversation, I get the audible groan, along with the obligatory “I can’t believe you voted for him!”. Anyway, whenever he goes off on one of these tirades, I usually silence him with the following; “For the last twenty years, you and those like you have forever bitched about things like fighting back and knocking the left back on their heels and yet here he is and you still aren’t happy, why?”
          It always devolves into the same thing; Trump is rude, Trump is “unpresidential”, Trump shouldn’t get involved in the day to day fighting. My response has always been, “So you don’t like him because he’s unafraid to fight back against the left, while your guys either won’t say a word, or bend over and grab their ankles like a prison bitch and give the left what they want anyway. This always gets him to change the subject. What really sets him off is when I confront him with, “If you’re really upset about Trump getting elected, you have only people like yourself to blame. After all, people like you are what made a Donald Trump Presidency possible. People like me got tired of losing and got fed up with people like you controlling the party and who got the nomination.”

    • Murray is from Iowa, and middle-class Midwesterners simply can’t stand Trump’s personality.

      That said, while Murray may be HBD aware, he’s not pro-White. There’s a difference. You see it every day in Sailer’s comments.

      • None-the-less, Murray has been instrumental in moving the basic issues forward and making them known to a wide audience. Whether you believe he is HBD aware, or agrees with such, he was out there in the mid-90’s before most everyone else. Most all his publications and interviews push the basic tenants of the movement forward.

        Seems in this group, if you not are screaming from the rooftop wrt things we commonly acknowledge, you are cast into the void, when in reality folks like Murray have done more for the cause than any of us could ever hope to do.

        • I have a different read on Murray. I think if he was as forthright today as he was thirty years ago about the issues that brought him to our attention, no one could lay a finger on him. Instead, he has put his energies into distancing himself from those who read his books and accepted his conclusions. To many it sounds like a betrayal.

          The voting for Biden stuff is a perfect example. He chose to make that public. He wants people to know he is not on our side. That’s fine with me. Everyone has to choose sides.

          • It’s really really hard, especially in the twilight of your years, to chose being right over being liked.

          • I’ve always thought the opposite. Older people are generally the types who give zero fucks about how they’re perceived.

          • Instead, he has put his energies into distancing himself from those who read his books and accepted his conclusions.

            This. Murray concludes that race is real and races differ. He concludes that Whites have achieved magnificent things.

            Then he sides with those who deny this – except, of course, in their hatred of Whites – and openly pine for the destruction of the European peoples.

          • Very important point. By his deliberate and public choice, he has sided with the anti-Whites. No excuse for those wafflers who want to cut him slack.

        • I see your point and agree somewhat. Murray in the 1990s and early 2000s was making important arguments and, frankly, was pretty brave since there was a good chance he’d be tossed into the void.

          He even tried to show the dire straits of much of White America in Coming Apart.

          For that, he deserves praise and our thanks.

          But he also seems to show true disdain for populist Whites. His hatred for Trump showed that. Yes, a good amount of that comes from his Midwestern antipathy to loudmouths, but Murray is smart enough to separate the man from his ideas.

          Murray knows exactly what a Biden presidency means for Whites, yet he voted for him and made that known publicly. For decades, Murray has been aware what immigration would mean for Whites and the country as a whole, but he consistently sides with those who will continue that path.

          But you’re right. His work on HBD moves the ball forward, but it’s amazing to me that he continues to have no sympathy for his own people. “Yes, race is real. Yes, the races are different. But I could care less if Whites are destroyed and turned into helots.”

          It’s just weird. He’s chosen to side with those who hate our people. At least your typical progressive can feign stupidity.

      • Something about midwesterners. Most of the republican leadership from the midwest were doormats – Bob Michael, Denny Hastert (perv as well), Grassley etc. The last fighters were in the 1950s – McCarthy and Taft.

        • Upper Midwest people are a special breed. They literally worship “niceness.” Don’t be boastful. Don’t talk about your wealth. Don’t be loud. Etc.

          It’s why the Japanese used to (maybe still do) liked to do business with Minnesotans. They both were terrified of being rude.

          Appeal their niceness, and you can’t lose. They value it over everything.

          • Exactly. I’d suspect that long ago, that niceness surrounded a tough inner core. Now, it’s just niceness with nothing to back it up.

    • One day soon, someone like Ocasio-Cortez will push Murray’s wheelchair off a roof. On the way down he will be clutching his dignity.

    • Even in his prime, Biden was never “presidential” and the 2020 dementia patient version is definitely not “presidential”. It lets you know the moral fiber of these Never Trumpers that they disregard the evidence that Joe is already bought and paid for by the Chinese and a dozen other countries and that he overlooked meth head Hunter reportedly raping little Chinese girls and banging his 16 year old granddaughter.

    • Yeah – ’cause he and Coulter and others, while not grifters, exactly, really believe the system can be made to work. Murray is not a revolutionary, but this is a revolutionary moment.

  39. The tipping point may very well come when businesses and perhaps even local governments begin enforcing “mandatory” C19 vaccine laws. You will need a vaccine card to enter a supermarket, a doctor’s office, or to even drive your own car (vehicle checkpoints on your local streets?). With the C19 lockdowns the ruling class now has the blueprint for nationwide pacification. I’m afraid we ain’t seen nuthin’ yet.

    • This is the flashpoint we need to focus on. By refusing to cooperate, we can use Covid as the raison d’etre for launching a counter-revolution. The ruling class have handed us a weapon we can use against them.

        • The mask mandates will continue as a political badge.

          Their excuse is, the vax doesn’t cure and leaves you an “asymptiomatic”, that ridiculous new medical standard.

          You might also harbor secret racist demons, covid witch.

    • You know the old adage “the difference between cops and criminals is that cops have permission to kill”? Well with the circumstances you describe it begs the question how many LEOs will remove their badge and weapon and place them on their supervisors desk and how many will gleefully jump at the chance to arrest an 85 year old granny and smash her face into the sidewalk enforcing “executive orders”?

      • It will be mostly neither depending on where you live. Police see the hollowed out economy the same as everyone else. Only those with other employment options will pop smoke based on their morality, because they want to care for their family same as many others. Many of the rest will do what they do now, and turn a blind eye and let slide stuff that their common sense knows isn’t worth enforcing.

        But what should be concerning is that new group, those who don’t share bonds with the community or drunk on the power of imposing their own restorative justice, that will be slamming grandmothers.

        As always, make friends in the community and build your resiliency and that of your community.

        • Yep. FWIW, the real sociopaths in law enforcement tend to be prison guards. They generally aren’t given much opportunity to interact with the public.

        • A lot of cops that have a conscience, are resigning their posts and moving to more congenial places. The same self-sorting that is going on with the rest of us. The blue areas will have blue meanie cops, while the red places will generally have LEOs that are what one would want to have in the post. But check it out, locally, to make sure of what you have around you.

    • Or you say fuck it and order everything from amazon

      if the Washington post begins pushing for vaccinations, we will know what is really the end game

      • If only never leaving home and having all essentials delivered by drone were the end game. Or the complete breakdown of real community or the psychological toll inflicted by isolation. These things are just to soften us up. If the end game resembles what was in store for the losing side in this demented game (Russia, Germany, the Confederacy), perpetual face diapering will seem like a walk in the park. Losing is not an option.

      • Problem with vaccine mandates is that these have already been supported by the courts. We here went through this with the standard flu vaccines a decade of more ago. At that time the courts rules hospitals and schools and such could require vaccine as a condition of employment.

        As far as students go, there still is suspension for religious concerns, but I suspect that will go away shortly. It is a short step from requiring masks for the healthy to vaccination.

        • suspension for religious concerns

          First Amendment is on life support.

          The Squad is hovering by the bed, big fluffy pillow in hand.

        • It’s silly and juvenile for him to equate anti-vax stance with courage

          It may even be the opposite

          But aside from that, I am not going to get sick or die from Covid and I don’t trust Big Pharma or fauci, so Sailer can kiss it

  40. Your observation that Trump is a foreign body that they felt the need to flush out was spot-on, but the problem is that any organism that wants to achieve homeostasis needs to establish a feedback loop for regulation. But the ruling class that just ousted Trump is not just homicidal against white normies and Christendom. It is nihilistic and suicidal as well. Pointing out that they’re materialistic does not prove they want to live; the pleasures of expensive wine enjoyed by a Hillary Clinton or underage girls by the husbands of these harridans is just to dull the pain (Bill Maher is rich and famous, but have you ever seen him looking anything but miserable?). Continuing with the metaphor (and closing my own loop) the ruling class is like an oven whose job is to cook food, that has somehow become sentient and decided it would rather continue heating until the coil elements start an electrical fire and burn down the house with its inhabitants. Should be an interesting few years. Merry CHRISTmas.

  41. I always thought what Perot ran on, the loss of manufacturing jobs (the Giant Sucking Sound) and the national debt problem, struck a chord with many Americans. He couldn’t win the election, though, because most weren’t ready to make a break from the establishment. While Trump has many faults, exposing and ridiculing the establishment press isn’t one of them. Same with his exposure of the establishment voting process.

    • You’d think after 12 years of Bushes, the blindfold would be off and people would have enough of Team “R”.

      Yet here we are, the “Fate of the Republic” rests on two nothingburgers in GA winning their runoff Senate races.

      The more things change…

    • Limbaugh had lined up against him (no small thing at the time) saying that he wasn’t serious. Fair or not, his choice of Admiral Stockdale as VP fed in to the storyline that he was running more on some personal grudge with Bush than some high-minded crusade. In hindsight this was not fair as a non-establishment candidate isn’t exactly going to have his pick of administrative personnel (see: Trump).

      • Seem to remember Rush – in jest – endorsing Bill Clinton BC of Bush I’s listless admin/campaign.
        For somebody who flew a TBM Torpedo Bomber in combat & was shot down, he certainly didn’t live up to the image.

      • Limbaugh made some good points, one I remember was Perot wanted to raise the sales tax on gas by .50, back when that meant something. But if had been more economically aware, I would have realized has destructive Nafta would be, something Limbaugh supported.

        • Yeah me too, here’s the thing with that though: I grew up seeing my parents repeatedly get taken by crappy American cars and they weren’t able to get anything reliable until they could buy Japanese. A big part of the anti-NAFTA argument was American automotive relying on a bank of goodwill that they had squandered decades earlier. Add in to that fact the unions pushing against NAFTA made it their business to support every anti-American idea that came down the pipe and that meant that there was no effective opposition to what turned out to be a really bad idea. (Another facet was the “hostage technique” where manufactures said that they wouldn’t have to important cheap labor anymore since NAFTA meant that they could put their plants where the cheap labor was, but that bit wasn’t all that believable even to my brainwashed teenage ears).

    • Perot was a bit before his time. Our major institutions were still in good standing. MSM was believed and had little competition. Voting was still basically considered fair with the occasional blip. Law enforcement at Federal level considered unimpeachable. Whites were still the undisputed majority, if divided.

      This is all gone now. Now the fun starts.

  42. This is an edgier version of Z’s TakiMag article from yesterday. The Sturm und Drang process of republican government always depended on a reasonable ruling class to ward off disaster. We didn’t have those reasonable people in the 1850s and we don’t have them today. The Media Class is hell-bent on seizing power with the help of their political shills, and the “opposition” is nowhere to be found (with the possible exception of golf courses). Unless we find leadership that is unafraid of risking their “lives, fortunes, and sacred honor”, we have no choice but to rebel without them.

    • Well, here is a thought. Can you name the leader of the Taliban? And yet, they are set for their third victory over a worldwide superpower, using only improvised and second hand weaponry. We don’t need leaders, we need a movement. “Emergent conduct” or whatnot, per Z’s recent podcast, is more effective than any organization.

  43. Today, it is the broader middle-class that is becoming increasingly radicalized by the intransigence of the ruling class.

    Yes, it’s funny in a way. I hear many people lament the demise of the middle classes – as both an social and economic entity – yet from where I sit almost all our problems are caused by this sort of person.

    I have yet to be lectured by a scaffolder, bricklayer, mechanic or whatever you fancy on ‘the need to enforce strict tax measures to save our planet’ or ‘to wear the mask as it saves lives’. These people also have very little direct experience of life outside of their bubble. An example was a video a left-leaning colleague showed me the other day. The video was off police attempting to disburse a group of teenage girls who were having a party during lockdown. The girls, bless their hearts, kicked up quite the fuss and one slammed a lamp on a male officer. My colleague ‘couldn’t believe such violence existed’… the violence was a best tepid and I left the room, as usual, not surprised.

    • The bug guy came to my house yesterday. When he walked in the door I said you don’t have to wear the mask if you don’t want to and he gratefully took it off. We didn’t have a long conversation but it was almost in code and we knew exactly where each other stood

      • Depends. Chimney guy was at my home few months back. Even on the ladder he wore a mask. I couldn’t resist, and it turns out he was a retired union worker from up north, and was voting for the pretender because the pretender”s experience in government would get it functioning properly again.

      • Exactly, the tradesmen who come about here are solid persons. They know when they are set about doing bullshit ritual. I tell them to do what they feel is right for them, but “we are not mask people”—regardless of our age. Repeatedly, we have run into this both at home and outside. A simple ignoring of the herd or a word to the salesperson yields a mask removal quicker than you can blink.

  44. I agree. Fine essay, and not just because I agree with the fundamental premise, heh heh.
    Campaigned (while living in the USA) for both Perot and Buchanan, pleased to have done so, and then left the country for the final time. I hope Prez Trump prevails in this mess that proves the premise of this essay. Whether he does or not, however, the “system” is indeed broken, as is the idea of a united “proposition” for the nation. There are now two propositions and only one can prevail. The outcome will be of great import going forward, particularly if a third arises in its wake, as well it might. I for one, although now without a dog in the fight, given my self-imposed exile, favor a reconquista by the latter-day yeomen in the restoration of a republic rather than a repressive “democracy” that will no longer satisfy anyone. The ideological divide is now too great to bridge given profound differences within the geographical and political divide.

    • Precisely right. There is no point in attempting to reform a corrupt system. Both parties are simply branches of a poisoned tree. Without the ability to participate, we need to rid ourselves of a ruling class that now openly despises us. I know some of them personally and I can read the hatred and determination on their faces. They have to go.

      • Okay, so China got pushback from Trump, and nuked us. With bioweapon warheads.

        The problem is, our Bunker Class collaborated.

        Building the weapons lab, providing material samples, even training their scientists in our universities. WTO, Red Chips, Fast Track- our elites have been building an outsider system for a long time.

        That, to me, says “hatred and determination”.

    • Both “propositions” can prevail, but only in separate polities. There ain’t room enough for both in this here country.

  45. If the coup succeeds, many Americans will rationally conclude that we have passed a tipping point in our nation’s history. Once election theft at the presidential level is legitimized, the rule of law is dead and we no longer have a bond as citizenry. This is no trivial thing, so what to do about it? In a nutshell, prepare now to confront and oppose the inevitable tyranny. Do this with seriousness and intelligence. It is existential. Your actual life depends upon your tangible actions going forward. Natural evolution is being restarted like an oncoming freight train.

    • In a nutshell, prepare now to confront and oppose the inevitable tyranny

      Mental preparedness begins with accepting this simple instruction.
      For those just waking up, start small and start now.
      Look around at the elements of the Machine that have enslaved you (debt, “job security”, academic pursuit financed by debt, mortgage dependent on the Greater Fool, prog family, etc) and respond right now. TODAY.
      Food, water, & physical security…start there. Take stock of your position. Make corrections, fortify and begin jettisoning your dead weight. Anyone defending any idea that voting harder, or getting our guy into _________ cannot be convinced. They will anchor you to the ground when the horde arrives.
      Being able to project force can come after you’ve put your house in order. But you have very, very little time left.

      • “If the coup succeeds…”

        I like the direction of threads like these two as they are where I have always focused, proactive, scanning the horizon.

        To be frank, this “if” does not mention the stellar “Platinum Plan”, letting felons out to roam our streets, let alone ‘our guy’ pitching us to ‘take the jab’. I could go on, but my point is made, you should already be deep into planning how to deal with the potential dystopian fallout of what has been taking place for years. It will surely accelerate following the election theft, but it is already well underway.

        As a person that lives simply, and consumer debt free, I see the main exposures to the small fort I have worked hard to build, including debt free children that have zero consumer and student loan scam debt, and thus are also debt free:
        — serious devaluation of currency
        — government cuts us off from our own funds, see Cyprus, etc.
        — government levy of a percentage of savings/assets
        — forced vaccination

        Whatever your take on Robert Kennedy, Jr., here is HIS take is to avoid the vaccine at all costs.

        Even if you have a job/trade that has not been destroyed already via government “Covid” fiat, diluting the value of your savings can put you out on the street just as governors are illicitly bankrupting their craven choice of small business people now.

        Cutting us off from our own funds could be couched as ‘against the rich’ but then affect, perhaps, “non essential” persons and firms, or just further downstream, again based on illicit government fiat.Same goes for a levy, ‘sold’ by the usual ‘against the rich’ lie, but aimed at the middle class, the true holders of wealth the grasping class are after.

        • All you guys are right, Harden your mind. You may well be called upon to do stuff that the Dirlewanger Brigade would think is sketchy just to survive.
          Be that guy if needed.

      • “Make corrections, fortify and begin jettisoning your dead weight. Anyone defending any idea that voting harder, or getting our guy into _________ cannot be convinced. They will anchor you to the ground when the horde arrives.”

        Moss is talking about YOU.

        • Yep, but that’s fine—if you don’t take it too seriously. One can do more than one thing at a time. Hope, but prepare. If hope (as in the TX law suit) immobilizes you, then abandon it.

        • No. Never give up on your People. Just because you arrived here now doesn’t mean everyone who hasn’t is unsalvageable. Impatience is a problem in Our movement. Proselytize. Lead. Cajole if necessary. The Leftists will give you more converts every year due to their hubris. Ours is a mission of holy weight, treat it as such and not as a flash in the pan.

        • We’ve got our many blm and “in this house we believe” signs all over our property – I just know that’ll confer maximum immunity when the jogger hordes come rampaging up the street!

      • Wondering (sarcastically) where my state is on this since it went overwhelmingly Trump. Are the GOP tools in charge of the state happy with the votes of their citizens getting stolen? Apparently.

        • Georgia doesn’t have that authority; the courts do. That said, I’m not by any means confident the courts will uphold the law and what remains of the tattered Constitution. It seems to me most of the courts are part of the Power Structure.

    • In a nutshell, prepare now to confront and oppose the inevitable tyranny.

      The tyranny is on its way regardless of the success of the coup. We’d have pretty much known the next steps at the end of January but Davos has been pushed back to summer. Meanwhile, the broad outlines of the World Economic Forum’s Great Reset are online
      In further bad news we haven’t seen the last of the Swedish Autist formerly known as Greta.

    • “…represents not only a narrow cultural slice of American society, but a narrow economic slice as well. Since the end of the Cold War this has become acute.”

      One glaring difference among the elites from prior years is the almost maniacal destruction of the very institutions which they had formally used for control purposes. Most Americans have become disdainful of academia, the news media, corporations, entertainment, etc. The elites’ hamfisted messaging and subjugation of all the tools they used to use because Orange Man had to be destroyed has rendered them ever more useless as tools of control.

      Yes, due to current lack of options and, as-of-yet, a still relatively solid dollar… people are still partaking of the things I mention above. However, the numbers are diminishing and more people than ever are checking out and openly mocking these institutions.

      Prior generations of elites would use these things, and because they were respected institutions, could wrap them and themselves in the flag and sell it to Americans as patriotic. The only thing they can try selling an increasingly beleaguered American public “Immigration Good!” and literally wrapping a star spangled hijab on a brown woman on the MTS buses in adverts.

      Their open attack on every aspect of trad Americanism and the dumpster fires they’ve made of the institutions really is beginning to hamper them. These are things we can work with.

  46. Maybe we have to resurrect the old “no taxation without representation”. These fools demonizing a large segment of the country are playing with fire and all that’s needed is the spark.

    • Heh. That’d be nice… but for our elites it’ll be more like ‘no representation without vaccination’.

      • The lines will be drawn among LEOs on this issue in the very near future. It all boils down to loyalty to the concept of individual liberty or “but muh boat payment.”

        • I work very closely with LEO’S and I can tell you that a majority of them are only concerned with their paycheck and retirement. They will gladly arrest and beat you and your loved ones if told to do so.

          • Too many here continue to have unrequited love affairs with the losers who don Caesar’s uniforms.

            If you have “served,” you have licked the boots of the bankers.

          • I have a feeling you’re right but I think it’s more to do with the culture in general. Generally speaking most people will do whatever it takes to keep whatever they have, especially if it’s a well-paying job. It just so happens that cops have the job of enforcing the laws of the ruling elite.

            With non-LEO people, they will go along to get along no matter how pozzed things become. Don’t wanna risk losing the cushy job. Notice that anyone who goes to DC ends up drinking the kool-aid and support the swamp, regardless of what they may have professed prior to going there.

        • Talked with a police over the weekend who was insistent that he would never take anyone’s guns and that he would resign the day he was ordered too. FWIW.

          • How many cops have already arrested folks who have failed to adhere to, or comply with, the firearms licensing and registration regimes?

          • Occasionally, and in deep blue areas. But there’s not much chance little Brittnee is gonna whip out a hawgleg when the cop starts pushing her around. Invading people’s houses to steal their firearms will require a bit more gumption.

          • I’m sure how they act, and how they might act in the future, is dependent on the particular local LEO culture in which they dwell. Worth checking out what that culture might be, where you live…

          • Writ large, what do you think the LEO culture has been in the US over the last 30-50 years?

            Has it been a culture zealously protective of the right to keep and bear arms as manifested by a refusal to arrest those who have refused to submit to licensing and registration schemes?

            Has it been a culture that has discouraged its chiefs from deciding whether to issue firearms licenses?

            Has it been a culture that has steadfastly protected private property from the violence perpetrated by the burners, looters, and murderers?

          • There is not “a” LEO culture, there are a bunch of them, which are different in different places, and also evolve over time in any one place. This is one of the things not talked about in the media. But get out there, talk to them, observe how they operate, and do it in different places, with different LEOs, and you start getting a better sense of what is going on out there. There are LEO communities just like any other, and these LEO communities are embedded in larger local communities, and often share the virtues and vices of the communities in which they live and operate. How could they not?

          • I have done so, and your position is incorrect. I’ve talked to deputies, HP, and cops: most are transplants from the coasts and were trained by departments we all revile, where by policy those leos imposed the most extreme forms of oppression against our people. There are no “local LEO’s” any more than there are local *.mils. There’s a blue line, and heritage Americans are on the other side of said line. Dont forget it.

          • most are transplants from the coasts and were trained by departments we all revile”

          • I still stand that not all are like that (“NA-LEOs-ALT”), but it is wise to assume it’s your way on individual cases, until you have reason to know otherwise.

          • You are correct, Dutch. Liberty Mike and Educated Redneck (who has shown sense in most other areas but this) are acting on either personal animus or childish impulse. Fire in the belly is good. Flailing about haphazardly is generally counterproductive. You get all sorts as police, as in any profession.

            Nobody here is fanboy backing the blue. Most here express nuanced thought on how to deal with policing in Our struggle. We will have allies and we will have persecutors among their ranks. These two fools wish to assure that we have only the later and make no outreach to potential bridges within law enforcement. They’ve let personal emotion and upset drive their thoughts when we should be looking coolly at the problem and potential of this subject.

            Gentlemen. Grow up, particularly you Liberty Mike. You ramble around like a bull rutting, fedposting and insulting posters of long standing that are respected by the community here.

          • That’s worth less than the electricity used to type it. They won’t “come for the guns,” they will come for Red Flags, restraining orders, magazine, ammo, MSR/ar or whatever else prohibition violations, registration violations, involuntary welfare checks, etc etc.
            Put not your trust in the lies of man, of those whose livelihoods depend on evading the nature of reality.

          • Yeah. Heard Biden wants an NFA stamp on 30 rd magazines. Can you imagine! It won’t be enforced, except for new mags, but if you get pulled over and have one, now you’re a felon.

    • America has fallen into the same trap that the Romans and Spanish fell into. Specifically, the empire has provided the ruling elite with a source of funding that is exogenous to their society – and therefor outside the bounds of control that previously existed.

      For the Romans it was the conquest of wealthy regions and an influx of slaves. For the Spanish it was Latin American silver and gold. For the US it’s the petro dollar and endless “debt”.
      America is at a point where taxes don’t matter at all for funding the federal government. They’re utility is only in punishing disfavored groups and as a lever to control actions.

      • Lucky for us without the petrodollar the US is still a leading oil producer. That makes the whole thing even more senseless. Almost like we’re the muscle for somebody else…

      • The offshoring of our industry has largely supplanted the petrodollar. Like the petrodollar, offshoring our industry provides a sink for all the credit created to keep the empire running. Offshoring has the additional benefits of increasing the profits of corporations, hiding inflation by allowing cheap imports and offshoring is not limited by where geology decided to locate oil deposits.

    • These fools demonizing a large segment of the country are playing with fire
      fire can be extinguished, the german peasants rebelled against their masters in the 16th century because heavy burdens were put on them, the serfs were defeated a year later, 100 000 were killed, worse reprisals followed after, the peasants became obedient.

      • we’re not peasants

        we make the country work, and we have money, property, and weapons

        Different scenarios, different times

        • We behave like peasants=we are peasants.
          And we flat out behave like peasants.
          And as far as ‘we’ in any collective sense there is no We, just a bunch of Me’s afraid they’ll lose their money, property…clutching a useless unfired weapon.

          This is the price of refusing to organize, cuz anyone who says more dan online bitch talk needed muzt be a Fedzpoaster…

          There is no alternative scenario cuz there is no existing alternative.

        • we’re not peasants – true, those were rugged men
          we make the country work – like the peasants
          we have money – compared to whom?
          and weapons – you have chemical weapons and military drones?

          • You forgot the old, tired saw: Nukes.

            The weapons we have are not different than those that have bogged down dozens of governments trying to maintain control of their “peasants”. Most all these governments have eventually failed.

            The great unknown is if we are even half the men our fathers and grandfathers were. The true warrior has no favored weapon.

          • are you talking about the american revolutionary war, cause that wasn’t peasants vs lords type situation, that was country vs countries type situation, 90 percent of all American troops carried French arms, and americans were completely dependent on French gunpowder, Spain and the dutch helped americans as well, also americans had home advantage which means a lot when you’re on the other side of the world. Point being americans had that war in their pockets.

          • But the British have so many cannons, men and Hessian mercenaries!
            Drop the learned helplessness, go look in your cabinets, look at your accountability list and think. Don’t act mind you, think and toughen your mind,
            You’ll realize that if you are willing to give up comfort or even your life , you can take the future you want. You have a shit ton of power.
            In any case any hypothetical hopefully avoided boogaloo will not be fought by armies than can be mowed down by drones. Chemical weapons other than tear gas and the like will not be used as we don’t have many left and the results would be very very bad for the group who used them. This creates mass insurgencies and its 50/50 these days insurgencies win.
            Nor will the lockdowns continue forever. There are already mass protests and no matter what our media does, people know.
            I mean big important people like Disney and Warner and others are falling into ruin and no bailout can fix that. They don’t want ruin, only to line their own pockets.
            Truth is if the economy isn’t up and running very soon, as in a month or maybe three there will be mass homelessness across the nation do to evictions and a total economic collapse which is fertile ground for a revolution.
            There is nothing in the way of handouts that can paper over this problem even assuming Biden/Harris is allowed to steal the election without a war.

          • if the economy isn’t up and running very soon, as in a month or maybe three there will be mass homelessness across the nation do to evictions and a total economic collapse which is fertile ground for a revolution.
            if i remember i’ll look for you on this blog in a month or three to congratulate you on predicting the beginning of the big revolution, how long do you estimate it takes till pentagon falls?
            will the joggers be the new indians of the new american revolution? will the russians send you supplies and armament?

            when communists took over there were dudes who fought back you know? they usually hid in forested mountains, some lived among villagers, sleeping in barns, villagers fed them cause they were feeling sorry for them.
            communists weren’t bothered by the “guerilla”, they carried on with the program as though nothing was going on.
            can’t wait to see the impact of homeless karen and her hubby when they revolt. bezos is as good as dead.

          • Fertile grounds doesn’t mean “will certainly happen.” or specify the time frame. It only means “becomes a lot more probable”
            Also its possible that regulations will slow the mass homelessness. California won’t have as many issue, our State will tell the banks “no evictions.” and issue bonds to buy them out.
            The State is already the largest lender and is happy to go down the Singapore road.
            Also doesn’t mean it will be your revolution or any of that other hoo-ha .
            As for factions, my guess is that if it happens it will be the Communist/Woke Left attacking the Corporate Left. We saw a ton of that this year already.
            Joggers are a wild card but there are groups radicalizing them now.
            Not effectively as of yet but subject to change, religious groups are the real threat more so than BLM
            No idea about Latinos.
            As far as Good Whites, no idea either.
            There are many moving parts right now new suits and tremendous instability.

            beyond “mass evictions make it more likely.” truth is its all Magic 8 Ball hazy ask again later.

          • Regarding the war he was making a factual point. For balance of power reasons the great powers of Europe needed the British to lose.
            Might want to look at the population figures for both sides of the war hint: the British had a much smaller population with or without the Hessians.

          • I was talking about mindset with that remark about the Hessian troops not history
            Also situations now and than are quite different.
            If/when we go to guns its going to be Bosnia x Rwanda or something akin to a Latin American civil war or the like not a fairly genteel British on British war.
            Once the elite no longer care about their people, they have to be removed B.A.M.N.
            If there weren’t overt voter fraud by politicians who are effectively Chicom agents I’d tell everyone to vote harder and work those memes.
            Problem is we did that, won more or less than had our votes nullified.
            If Trump does not win we are Chinese slaves unless our guys get hard and dangerous and fast.
            Too much easy living as made us useless cattle for the elite and that needs to change.
            Now right now I am telling everyone to mentally toughen up, nothing more, Its what we need anyway far more than anoy of the other rich mans toys preppers buy.
            In the end the guy that wins this is the guy whose mindset is with his last dying breath drags himself over to the atmosphere burner and presses that button as he’d rather leave the earth a lifeless shell than give an inch to tyrants.

            To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell’s heart, I stab at thee; For hate’s sake, I spit my last breath at thee. Sic semper tyrannis Motherfucker.

            Be that guy and have a future worth living or just be a Chicom /Globalist Consumer slave
            And before whichever sperg tell us Trump won’t save us. I know that. Nothing can save the Republic.
            If he wins and if he fixes elections he buys us time and allows the high road option.
            That is enough.

      • That is why we need Trump to take the lead, along with a new elite who can organize the, uh, replacement government in accord with the Declaration of Independence political explanations.

        • That is why we need Trump to take the lead, along with a new elite 
          i’ve watched those steve pieczenik alex jones interviews, they sound too good to be true, but gen flynn intimated the same thing regarding trump’s reelection, if the secret services/army trump camp is as based as some infowars guests implied it is then maybe usa(the entire western world actually) will get lucky.

          • Flynn got his ass in the sling because he tried to intervene with the Russians on behalf of Israel. BOTH sides keep that aspect quiet.

      • There was also the slave coup of 13th century Egypt where the slave killed the sultanate and ran the country for several decades. Cherry-picking historical anecdotes sure is fun.

        • Cherry-picking historical anecdotes sure is fun.
          no, wasn’t cherrypicking, mamluks were soldier slaves(elite soldiers, not just any kind of soldiers), which is completely different from being a serf, who works land for a living.

          • The early legions of Rome were filled with yeoman farmers.
            Most weapons in history were adapted farm tools so it’s quite an advatage to be a muscular agricultural laborer.Also they were hard people which counts for an awful lot in war.

          • While looking to the past for examples can be useful, every situation is new in most of its aspects. There has never in history been a situation like we are facing today, we’re on our own here. The good news is, so are they. It’s very important to realize this,because while trying to “learn the lessons of history” can be important, it also can be taken too far. We very largely got WWII because everybody was trying to avoid another WWI, we got Korea because we were trying to avoid another WWII, we got Vietnam because we were trying to learn the “lessons” of Korea, and trying to learn the lessons of all of the above led us into both Iraq wars, among other things. History isn’t a class, it”s just a bunch of stuff that happens, with some common threads running through it. That’s important to remember.

          • Well, seeing as how most Americans are neither elite soldiers nor agrarian workers, it would appear that both our historical comparisons aren’t really relevant to the situation at hand. That brings me to my original point: don’t cherry-pick historical anecdotes to make an argument.

      • I think a large % of the population, especially the hated deplorables have suffered real physical, financial and psychological damage these past seven months. And the mf-ers are piling on with the lockdowns again. Debt, rent and mortgage forebearance are ending in the early new year. Throw in the fraudulent election that no one knows how will play out – the setting is primed for substantial chaos.

  47. I remember a conversation with an uncle about the 1992 election. He said he voted for Perot, then quickly said, ‘yeah, I know, I was stupid. It was a vote for Clinton!’

    • Has anyone ever seriously speculated what a second term of George H.W. Bush been like? Other than extending the careers of 30-40 Democrats in Congress in the 1994 election, what would have happened?

      • The second war with Iraq would have happened in a year or two, followed by war with Iran. Domestically, it would have been much like Bush 2.0. Perot bought us some time, which was squandered. Trump bought us some time. We bets not squander it again.

      • A second term of GHW Bush would possibly have meant that the Clinton Crime Machine would not have gotten off the ground. Even if Clinton ran again in 1996, the long memory of the internet was starting to crank up.
        Billary would not have had time to really pile on the cash what with Bill’s blossoming STDs & Hilly’s neurological issues starting to take off.
        I’d miss Monica, though.

      • Absolutely. The second Clinton term and the sole GHWB term were indistinguishably bad for the United States. It is easy to forget but in Clinton’s first term, for example, he was against open borders. His Jewish rescuers turned him around for his second four years.

        GHWB gave us the cancer of globalism, and it briefly went into remission in 1993 and again in 2016, but the prognosis appears terminal.

      • Has anyone ever seriously speculated what a second term of George H.W. Bush been like? Other than extending the careers of 30-40 Democrats in Congress in the 1994 election, what would have happened?

        I suspect Al Gore would have run in 1996 and likely won. Colin Powell would likely have been the Republican nominee to own da libs. Gore would have done very little different than Clinton and Dubya. We would have kept bombing, sanctioning, and starving Iraqis, the PATRIOT Act would have found some other way to get passed although perhaps watered down as without a 9/11 overcorrection, it would be tougher to swallow.

        Long story short, the silver lining would be that Bill and Hillary would likely have topped out as cabinet position holders, maybe spared the impeachment circus of the late 90s but everything else remaining the same.

        A good what if scenario is if Nixon won 1960. I think a lot of the Great Society garbage would have been watered down or scrapped. The mafia who fixed Chicago and Kansas City results likely didn’t realize what they wreaked on society but given the ethnicity of a lot of the mafia, they likely wouldn’t have minded.

      • Perot had 30 minute infomercials where he tried to educate votes on things like the evils of globalism/nafta.

    • Thought Perot was a ‘nutter until I read “On Wings of Eagles” by Ken Follet. Wish I’d read it before Bush II rose to office.

      Would your boss hire a mercenary team to rescue you abroad, after explicitly being told by the State Dept. he’d go to jail if he did so? Mine sure as heck wouldn’t .

      That’s Ross Perot. Patriot and populist, and boy howdy I wished he’d thrashed the Bush dynasty and served 2 terms.

      The Bushes trashed a good man in pursuit of a multi-generational political dynasty, which is all they really know how to do. Power for powers sake.

      • I read “On Wings of Eagles” a couple of years before the election, so I was an enthusiastic Perot voter. Yeah, he was quirky, but so what? Just liked he cared for and felt responsibility for his employees, he wanted to save America and the American workers’ jobs that were going to Mexico and other countries.

        • They would have killed him . like JFK. That’s how jew dystopia’s roll. Welcome to the goyem plantation. Remember to get your shot.

        • Same here. After all the support the right/libertarians gave to the corporations, the corporations still fund the Marxists.

          • But who, in the early 90s, could have foreseen that the Left would hijack capitalism itself for its own purposes? To me, this sorry phenomenon is perhaps the most bizarre outcome of the post-Cold War era.

          • The Left didn’t hajack capitalism, the upper middle class hijacked the Left and as they already ran corporate America and the justice/political system it all fell into place.

          • the upper middle class hijacked the Left”
            I’m not sure what that’s supposed to mean, but I would very much like an explanation for how a presumably non-Leftist socioeconomic group could hijack a political movement. But, of course, that never happened. What did happen is that young Leftists, brainwashed by academia, entered corporate America in the 90s, converted corporations to Leftism (anti-white racism), and have since been using corporations to further Leftist agendas. The old dyad of socialist/Leftist capitalist/rightist no longer obtains.

          • A lot of what’s happened is summed up in that boring sounding economics phrase “regulatory capture”. Large corporations realized that supporting a vast expansion of the state was a good way to not only crush their smaller rivals in business but to bring in government directly as an enforcement arm of business and thus leverage the tax base in service of pushing around workers and the commoners. Previously, you had people like Andrew Carnegie hiring their own private armies like the Pinkerton’s. Modern business outsources that shit to government and thus doesn’t pay a penny for it.

            How do you get a vast expansion of the state in a constitutionally limited Republic though? Simple, you make cynical use of Left wing populist (and often outright Communist) rhetoric and organizations to coat what you’re doing in “social justice and equality” goo. Think of it as a sly bacterium covering itself in its hosts’ mucus to fool its immune system.

            You can see the ultimate outworking of this in the slavering enthusiasm of big business for every new Covid-branded political imposition. Sure, having your employees mumbling at each other through masks and standing 6′ apart is bad for internal communication but the small efficiency hit from that is more than made up for my the destruction of all those pesky small businesses.

            This is the future as our ruling class sees it. Corporations and the state blend together in a seamless totalitarian fabric from which escape is virtually impossible. It’s not exactly Communism as the Marxists saw it but it does resemble the Soviet system as it was in fact practiced. The Soviets had even incorporated (hehe) a kind of competitive incentive into their system eventually. Look up “design bureau”. You know how some Russian fighters are “Sukhoi” models and others are “MIG” (Mikoyan and Gurevich)? Those are the two big aircraft design bureaus in the USSR. They were de-facto competing corporations Soviet times and are now actual Russian corporations.

          • Even back then there was enough history to see that the wealthy definitely leaned Left. Corporations never put up much opposition to affirmative action etc. The philanthropic foundations such as Ford, Rockefeller and McArthur and many more showed this since at least the 1950s. I thought this was simple infiltration but it is far too widespread for that. They were set up that way.

          • There may be some truth to that. However, prior to the 90s corporations were at most haltingly, not thoroughgoingly antiwhite. What we’ve seen in the last 30 years is corporations exponentially ramping up their hatred of YT and adoration of the Hutu.

        • I’ve always been a paleoconservative even was as a youngster which is unusual but I can’t fault the Right of the period for supporting NAFTA.
          The corporate Right and Ronny Ray-Gun gulled nearly everyone.

        • Wasn’t that the giant sucking sound??? I voted for Perot, but I don’t remember why, probably because he was more interesting…

      • If you dont smack the dog when he bites you, you wake up one day with him tearing your throat out. Is a short, painful correction of 2-4 years preferable to a slide into the cesspool over 20? Many say yes.

        • We’re headed for the cesspit, regardless. However, I still fully support giving the Republicans a right proper pranging in the here and now.

          • This crisis will be resolved either in collapse or by lead, maybe both.
            Back in the day, before the China trade really as for the reasons nothing seemed to get fixed were money as speech and money grubbing.
            What making it so bad now is it appears both parties have extreme moral rot on top of being owned by foreign interests.
            I’m not a Q Anon guy but I tend to think the recent rumor that Georgia’s Republican governor was compromised by the Chinese Intelligence that was found at the Embassy in his state to be entirely believable.
            This is Graham Allison’s Thucydides Trap only fought by economics and subversion rather than armies,

          • They’ve already tied one Chicom honey pot to a couple Dem mayors and Eric Swalwell on the House Intel committee.

            That’s the real Kraken.

            It’s just beginning to poke its nose out.

          • Once one party goes, the other won’t be far behind. They define themselves as the anti of the other. Once their members are free agents, they won’t be bound by the party package deals such as low taxes for forever wars or support for social security if you accept the third world invasion.
            The big threat is the current elite setting up new traps disguised as political parties.

    • Your uncle was wrong. His vote was the right vote. If the system is offering cat-poop, dog-poop or kibble and you opt for kibble but you get dog-poop, the problem is the limited options themselves, not having to choose between them.

    • That’s OK. I voted for Barry Goldwater in 1964 knowing he couldn’t win. Still proud of that vote.

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