CPAC & AFPAC

The American Conservative Union (CPAC) and America First (AFPAC) had their big annual events this weekend in Orlando Florida. Both were moved from Washington to Florida because of the Covid panic. Both are struggling to get their footing now that Trump has left office, so it makes sense for both groups to hold their event in the former president’s home state. That and Florida has become the last bastion of rational, conservative government, where the people remain free.

The interesting juxtaposition is that both events claim to be speaking for the future of the American Right. CPAC is trying to appropriate populism and make it palatable for the oligarchs. AFPAC is trying to turn over-the-top support for Trump into a youth movement that will attract oligarch support. Both sides have made clear that the other side is not on their side. One side is the old established brand with market dominance, while the other brand is the upstart trying to make a splash.

Another point of comparison worth mentioning is that AFPAC managed to pull of their event in the teeth of institutional opposition. Given the climate, no one would have faulted Nick Fuentes for cancelling the show. He not only went forward with it, but he also pulled off the biggest dissident event ever staged. To get hundreds of people in and out of a semi-secret event, attended by sitting Congressmen and political celebrities, without a hitch is a stunning achievement by Fuentes and his crew.

On the other side of things, CPAC was lightly attended compared to years past, in part because of the location change. Conservative Inc. is a creature of Washington and CPAC is like their annual awards show. Holding CPAC in Orlando is like holding the Oscars in Iowa. There is also the fact that CPAC is a legacy brand and legacy brands are out of favor on the Right. Two generations of failure have most right-wing people looking for something better than the same old offerings.

The two visions of the future of the right are interesting in that neither is all that clear about where they are going. CPAC is clearly scrambling to protect their brand by allowing some populists back into their “big tent.” It is easy to forget that they ran off the Buchanan Brigades back in the bad old days. For a long time, CPAC was about making sure Trump’s brand of politics never got a purchase in the Republican Party. Events have forced them to be nice to people they generally despise.

On the other hand, Fuentes is starting from a paleoconservative base. He has often described himself as a paleocon. His movement has been carried forward by the blustery thermals of the Trump phenomenon. Like the Trump phenomenon, the goals are not all that clear. Right now, Fuentes and his imitators on live streaming platforms are speaking to issues important to young white men. In is a genuinely populist and right-wing phenomenon, in that it is entirely reactionary.

The trouble for both sides is they are like farmers who have been suffering through a long drought. It had been so long since they felt the rain, they were not prepared for when the heavens would open and saturate the earth. Suddenly, political actors find themselves surrounded by fertile soil. In the case of the old guard, it means learning how to be farmers again. In the case of the new guard, it is coming to terms with the fact they have never been farmers.

Another problem for both sides is they lack a language geared toward the future, so they rely on the language of the past. The civic nationalist stuff from CPAC appeals to old people, but it has no answers for what is happening nor for what is coming as America becomes majority-minority. They cannot even bring themselves to oppose immigration, which would at least acknowledge reality. CPAC is, at best, a bit of escapism for people who have no future.

AFPAC, on the other hand, gets that demographics are changing, but there is still that hope it can all be fixed. The name of their movement gives it away. Putting America first only makes sense when you can define America. Granted, there is a fair bit of rhetorical sleight of hand here, in order to dodge the censors, but at some point, they must confront the fact that America looks nothing like America. What comes next will look nothing like what is in our history books.

What matters most, of course, is that CPAC is the past and AFPAC or something like it is the future. Nick Fuentes managed to do what the alt-right could never muster and that is create a legitimate political movement. Unlike the various goofballs that populated the alt-right leadership, Fuentes has proven himself to be an effective organizer and a highly effective leader. He is arguably the most talented figure to come from the populist uprising that was kicked off by the Trump presidential run.


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SidVic
SidVic
3 years ago

I like what i’ve heard from the NJP. How many attended the AFPAC? Any of the speeches posted? cpac is, of course, dead to me.

American Citizen 2.0
American Citizen 2.0
3 years ago

Growing up in a small, almost 100% white town as I did, we were raised with a very strong bias against Democrats. I don’t know if I really remember anyone from my parents generation ever expressing a strong political opinion about anything. But I do remember Christianity. I can say that older white people, so far as I remember it, were always keen to point out that everyone can be a Christian so we weren’t racists. And if everyone can be a Christian, everyone can be a Republican, so we aren’t racists. Unfortunately for elderly white Christians, the idea that… Read more »

Bilejones
Member
3 years ago

Nice piece on Taki’s. Sailers article on Canada makes one wonder when the Reparation monkeys start shaking their trees. Should be fun to watch.
https://www.unz.com/isteve/blacks-in-canada-4-5-times-as-likely-as-nonblacks-to-be-homicide-victims/

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JR Wirth
JR Wirth
3 years ago

There’s always a slap at the “alt-right” meaning TRS crowd when Fuentes comes up, but I highly enjoy their programming. Will they ever be political leaders? Of course not. But they’re great and thoughtful entertainers. Didn’t Fuentes recently ask his crowd for absolute allegiance to him? Or am I mistaken? I’m telling you there’s something wrong with Fuentes. He’s like the dissident version of the Ash character in the movie Alien. He looks human, but he’ll start bleeding a white, milk like substance one day. And like in the movie Alien, we’ll find that he was taking orders from someone… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  JR Wirth
3 years ago

Putting faith in a person whom Twitter can make or break in a millisecond is not very wise.

Regardless of one’s opinion of Fuentes, just be ready for him to be rarely heard from again or sent to the minors

And this is something that also should be factored into one’s assessment of his value to our cause. Perhaps we need to start asking ourselves if we have become too dependent on the internet.

TimothyS
TimothyS
3 years ago

What I can say for Nick Fuentes is that at AFPAC he observed that there is not much difference between legal immigration and immigration generally.

This concept has no place in the republican party. “I may not be liberal, but at least I’m not racist, and I support Israel!”

That mantra is echoed at CPAC numerous times. In one speech a woman bragged about how she was generous enough to permit a bad person – ie. a white nationalist – to speak on campus. Not much distinction between the two at CPAC.

Presbyter
Member
Reply to  TimothyS
3 years ago

Her Majesty’s Loyal Opposition

Whiskey
Whiskey
3 years ago

I don’t know anything about Fuentes, that he has not been kicked off Twitter is suggestive. As is Twitter not kicking off Richard Spencer. I would say that politics in the sense of Political Action Committees is useless, as the Democrats/Media have a formula for generating fraudulent votes at will. Organizing like French Farmers in the 1980s is however useful. They were able to shelter somewhat from the effects of EU competition. Models: the NRA before it became Wayne LaPierre’s bank account, Emily’s List, the Urban League. Pressure groups able to put people in front of offices and homes in… Read more »

Presbyter
Member
Reply to  Whiskey
3 years ago

Could be worse.

David
David
Reply to  Whiskey
3 years ago

“White/Latino, Catholic, and fairly authoritarian and explicitly anti-black, anti-oligarch, anti-China. Mexico / Cuba Norte basically. Not America but not being Liberia is a plus I guess.“ This is what fuentes gets right. White women have screwed us and themselves by… not screwing us and having babies. So latino birth rates will eventually dominate. Looking at latin america, they dont fall for afrocentrism. Several countries there have even sterilized their own indigenous people. They certainly have no affirmative action cramming blacks and women into jobs or political positions theyre not qualified for. They usually oppose abortion and gay marriage. Mexico didnt… Read more »

Whiskey
Whiskey
Reply to  David
3 years ago

One thing I find fascinating is that online dating now predominates. And there, the top 10% of men monopolize about 85% of women or so. In person meeting — bars, coffeehouses, etc. are now gone. Its all online. Which means realistically about 90% of White men become incels. What happens then?

Do they just disappear? Get wished away? IMHO we are already seeing an anti-White women, anti-black backlash from younger White men and it will only get more intense. Incels really love being told all the hot White women belong to black dudes which is the message the media shoves.

Phoenix
Phoenix
Reply to  Whiskey
3 years ago

So 10% of men are going to have what, 8-9 girlfriends each??
I’ve seen this argument before and it’s silly. It just isn’t reflected in the real world..

Lucius Sulla
Lucius Sulla
Reply to  David
3 years ago

“All the best jobs are worked by white latinos down there” I never had much experience with Mexico until the last few months – my firm is working a project with the Mexican division of an American company (obviously all the meetings are virtual – new normal!). All the business leaders we are dealing with look like they’re straight from the Iberian Peninsula. No Aztecs or Mayans. I have finally understood what Trump meant when, perhaps unintentionally, when he said “Mexico is not sending their best”. It is obvious they are happy to have their Mayans and Aztecs dumped on… Read more »

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Lucius Sulla
3 years ago

It’s the Mariel Boatlift on steroids. The mean IQ of Mexicans (Amerindians with European/admixute) is 88. The European alleles which confer higher intelligence, emotional self-control, etc, are not even close to being evenly distributed in their population. (more common in the north) Central America is basically baseline Amerindian with a mean IQ of 82. There is no equality and it’s not our fault. Our ancestors (and even more so the higher IQ East Asians) suffered and died under more intense natural and artificial (like executing criminals) selection regimes than the rest of humanity with the more intelligent and capable sending… Read more »

Epaminondas
Member
3 years ago

Close enough. They’re neighbors.

Phil
Phil
3 years ago

Florida may be A bastion of freedom, but it is far from the last bastion. Many local governments are all republican on the ballot but socialist tyrants in actual practice. Code enforcement, always selective in practice, is a huge tyrant in the state. Once I left FL They locked down my CDL in the post 911 national database and extracted a few fees to let me transfer to my new state. Call em up in Tallahassee and you’ll find out how much power Desantis has in the deep trenches.

Brewmeistr
Brewmeistr
Member
3 years ago

Real request, I’m new to these parts. Have been reading and following for a while. Still seems somewhat alien to me. My brother in law is a huge Soccer/Futball fanatic. I am totally agnostic on soccer. True sports involve large men beating the shit out of each other at close quarters. Anywho, he called and told me to save the date. Flew into town. Went to the stadium, gave me an expensive ticket. 4 hours of sheer confusion. Singing, chanting, effeminate men laying on the ground and miraculously springing back to life. We were walking back to the car and… Read more »

Hi - Ya!
Hi - Ya!
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

Evolution is not real, my stars. Why must evolution be the only explanation to explain biological differences?

You lose nothing as a dissident by scraping a philosophically impossible theory which is supported by no evidence.

Come on, man!

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Hi - Ya!
3 years ago

How did humanity manage to breed such different dogs? That’s all he’s saying. We’re not talking about the origins of Man.

Hi - Ya!
Hi - Ya!
Reply to  LineInTheSand
3 years ago

i Have no problem with dogs with long and short legs. Ifin’ that’s what z means, i will withdraw my objections!

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Brewmeistr
3 years ago

The difficulty in answering your question is that there is no sugar-coated answer. Tribalism is the deepest reality, for non-whites anyway. Arguing about economic systems is to miss the point in a multi-racial country. We need states that approximate ethno-states. Men and women are different and we must suppress the media controllers who say otherwise. Homosexuality, especially among men, is degenerate and disgusting and we shouldn’t have to tolerate it. How do you present these ideas to normies? I don’t know.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  LineInTheSand
3 years ago

I’ll add that most whites feel bad about judging a person by a quality that the person did not choose. For example, judging a person for their race or their sexual irregularity. For the most part, only white people have this feeling.

One of the main barriers to presenting our ideas is that we sound like mean people, when we are just facing reality and responding accordingly. I don’t know how to surmount this problem.

Hi - Ya!
Hi - Ya!
Reply to  LineInTheSand
3 years ago

Yes, what poison has worked into us Whites, Gods chosen….

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Brewmeistr
3 years ago

What Z said. Sadly our side is lousy with documentation. There is no equivalent to Paine’s Common Sense.

In terms of policies it’s pretty much what Trump campaigned on but failed to do. This can serve as a IFF. If the person you are talking to is anti-Trump,S/he isn’t on our side.

The general consensus on our side is that the country political and governmental structure is beyond fixing as evidenced by the system wide coup against Trump by the 3 letter agencies and political class.

Brewmeistr
Brewmeistr
Member
Reply to  Rwc1963
3 years ago

Thanks all for your thoughtful input.

Follow up: What are practical steps at the local level to begin to develop community?

I’ve always been envious of the Irish Pub model. What else my work?

Lanky
Lanky
3 years ago

A young man who has been passed through many influental hands seldom emerges unscathed. Maybe he was even fucked up to begin with. Nevertheless, I think what he’s doing is good in the short term.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Lanky
3 years ago

He’s sorta of the David Hogg for Team Red

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Falcone
3 years ago

That’s a great analogy.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Lanky
3 years ago

Our side could learn a lot from the Dems. At least when they get shit candidates they run them hard and for the win. Our side OTOH demands perfect leaders only found in comic books and barring that we must attack anyone who doesn’t meet our standards of perfection.

At least Democrats understand how to get and take power. I can respect them. As for ourside, they still haven’t figured out squat except to tear down anyone they don’t like. Utter fools.

krustykurmudgeon
krustykurmudgeon
3 years ago

It was interesting how Fuentes was able to get a sitting member of congress (Gosar) to show up. Nonetheless, I’ve never been much of a fan of Nick. More of an Allsup guy.

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ProZNoV
ProZNoV
3 years ago

Hard to believe Florida almost elected Andrew Gillium (D) as governor. Months after he lost, he was caught in a room by police where there was allegedly meth paraphernalia and a couple of gay male prostitutes. (He’s married, with kids)

Imagine if he’d been governor when Covid hit. It’s depressing beyond words that Florida almost elected this guy; even worse that this is the best the Democrats can put up for election.

Florida is a last bastion, in many ways, but it won’t last much longer.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  ProZNoV
3 years ago

A good article on Identity Dixie the other day about Florida seceding and joining with other states in a new Confederacy

As far as politics go, that’s the only political movement I could get behind

SwissGuard
SwissGuard
Reply to  ProZNoV
3 years ago

“Florida is a last bastion, in many ways, but it won’t last much longer.”
I fear you are correct, especially with all of the northerners escaping the penal colonies to Florida. Unfortunately, upon arrival many are complaining that DeSantis is “out of control”. The typical MSM regurgitation. I’ve gotten into a few verbal tangles with these idiots to which I often say “didn’t you mommy ever tell you not to talk with your mouth full.”

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  SwissGuard
3 years ago

Ask those fools why they came to Florida if DeSantis is so awful?

Tell them to go back to Gulag York if they hate freedom so much.

Member
3 years ago

Meh, Fuentes isn’t a leader in any real sense. He is one step above a carnival barker, a court jester. He says amusing stuff and he can get people riled up but he is just an immature kid. The fact that many of us consider him to be a modestly serious person is a sign that we are in worse shape than I thought.

ronehjr
ronehjr
Reply to  Arthur Sido
3 years ago

He is probably some sort of sexual weirdo and will be a problem in the future. I personally would have nothing to do with him.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  ronehjr
3 years ago

He’s got “priest” written all over his face

He looks like the young guys studying for the priesthood I remember seeing when I was young

Surfguy
Surfguy
Reply to  Falcone
3 years ago

Damn the Z blog is a tough crowd.

ronehjr
ronehjr
Reply to  Surfguy
3 years ago

Here is one of the issues. There is a bit of a split between the former alt-right trs types, and the Fuentes fan bois who said good optics was all about not saying anything about jews , after bringing up jews hamfistedly at every Charlie Kirk event. Some people think it comes down to the split between Fuentes and James Allsup. I think that might be part of it, but I mostly think it comes down to the difference between men who work and make families and build for the future, and attention whores like Nick and his ilk. I… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Surfguy
3 years ago

Gotta be

We are in a tough position. Get it that people think Fuentes is doing good for us. I don’t like his face, which is NOT a personal indictment, Z, but a character assessment. I trust my ability to read a person’s face — never failed me before. Not the face of a guy I will put my faith and trust into.

If you all want to find out the hard way, go for it.

james wilson
james wilson
Reply to  Surfguy
3 years ago

A tough crowd for tough times. The thirty million muh constitution crowd fleeing from twitter need to first expand and then concentrate their attention.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Arthur Sido
3 years ago

This infighting is bat shit crazy. Yeah go ahead and demonize Fuentes and Peterson, at least they are doing a lot of the heavy lifting needed to bring whites over. Sure they are not perfect but at least they are making the effort which we really need.

David
David
Reply to  Rwc1963
3 years ago

Yeah i have had a great time watching and listening to philosophers and influencers across the whole center to right wing spectrum. I cant watch bllack on white crime videos and JQ videos all day. Ill drive off a cliff. A google search for aristotle brought me to molyneux, who showcased charles murray and jared taylor, then i read bell curve, a troublesome inheritance, 10,000 year expllosion, j philippe rushton’s work, michael levin’s work, edward dutton, then back to peterson and dostoevsky, now im learning italian out of respect for the renaissance men… Point being all of these quirky personalities… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
3 years ago

I’m still trying to figure out how Fuentes hasn’t been kicked off Twitter, but Trump has…

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Falcone
3 years ago

If Fuentes becomes powerful enough, i.e. dangerous enough, he’ll be evicted as well.

Member
Reply to  Falcone
3 years ago

Curious isn’t it. Twitter purged a ton of accounts last night, forcing me to create my sixth account, but people like Fuentes and Richard Spencer never seem to get swept up. I wonder why?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
3 years ago

CPAC, AFPAC–it is all for naught. These organization’s raison d’etre is electoral politics, which is a lost cause. No matter how talented Fuentes is, there is no way in hell he can leverage his ability into meaningful electoral victories, at least not at the federal level. It’s a closed shop, and the only people allowed within that shop are members of the Power Structure. What is desiderated is a secessionist or counterrevolutionary Nick Fuentes. As it is, he’s squandering his skill tilting at windmills on the Potomac. And if he continues wasting his time in this endeavor, he won’t even… Read more »

Lanky
Lanky
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 years ago

Perhaps it is important to pretend that our political goals can be achieved conventionally, at least for now. Any public display of unity that counters the narrative is beneficial.

That being said, I’m still looking at land on nowhere’s taint, making a list of supplies for my cabin, and distributing its location to “our guys.” Just picking up shards of America that have fallen around me and doing my best to move on.

When I envision our future, I envision many elders leading many lands. Not one leader, and certainly not one land.

Member
Reply to  Lanky
3 years ago

This is indeed what I meant above by “a band of tribes” opposing globoschlomo.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 years ago

If he came across now as a successionist or revolutionary he would be ignored by most Whites and the Feds would be hunting him down.

The problem with succession is that it will be very bloody, much worse in terms of dead than say WWi. At the very least you are looking at mass expulsion of millions of White liberals and minorities, Most won’t go without a fight and that means genociding them. Then dealing with outside military forces that the globalists will hire to get rid of us.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Rwc1963
3 years ago

Basically what you’re saying is don’t say anything meaningful because you will be shunned and muzzled. I don’t believe that. Somebody will eventually bruit secessionist or counterrevolutionary politics and they will find a following more and more whites are fed to the teeth with this anti-white crazy train and are ready to commit to an alternative. As for the mechanics of secession, they don’t have to entail bloodshed. A sufficiently white territory resolutely committed to succession could conceivably demand and achieve autonomy without recourse to warfare, although the threat of violence will probably be necessary. It’s about building the fabled… Read more »

David
David
Reply to  Rwc1963
3 years ago

You think the military will be on OUR side? There are enough self hating whites who would ensure that its US who are genocided. Conservatives are being purged from the military as we speak.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  David
3 years ago

The military will disintegrate. A large portion of the rank-and-file, not to mention almost all of the special forces units, will join us. AINO’s military will be reduced to various dysfunctionals led by pozzed generals.

DLS
DLS
3 years ago

Fuentes sounds impressive. How do I follow him? I did a search, and wow what hatred for him from the mainstream organs. I saw a website that is under construction and a twitter handle. Is there a podcast somewhere?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  DLS
3 years ago

I know very little about Fuentes, but if he’s a powerful force operating outside of the Power Structure, then he’s the very sort of person all of that razor wire is intended to ward off.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  DLS
3 years ago

He was banned from YouTube some time ago. We was banned from DLive in January. He has a Telegram channel that you can search for.

Felix Krull
Member
3 years ago

When it comes to politics, vagueness is a feature, not a bug. Vagueness is what had people swooning over Obama’s “masterful” rhetoric: he made everybody believe he was dog-whistling to them personally while saying absolutely nothing.

As soon as you get specific with your politics, you give your cadres something to fraction over, and a target for your enemies to personalize, freeze and polarize.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

Yes. In the land of milk and honey, you must put them on the table…

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 years ago

You go back, Jack, do it again

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

TBH, I know very little about Fuentes. His voice annoys me and I don’t like his format, but I hear good things about him.

But on general reflection, I don’t think it is necessary for us to commit to a program yet. We’re doing pretty damned well with the white-whistling, considering the opposition we’re facing. Let’s not disturb ourselves while we’re on a winning streak, let’s kick the can of worms down the road until we are forced to deal with it.

At the rate our people are being redpilled these days, time is on our side.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

All this is only happening because whites have had it too good for too long and have lost the will to live. Too many of us get off on being disenfranchised, replaced, put out of work, muzzled, locked down, taxed to death. If that mindset changes, seemingly miraculous things would happen— but that won’t be until the pain is intolerable.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Felix Krull
3 years ago

I’m with you, Felix

And I’m still “old school” as they say where a person’s face says a lot, and with Fuentes I just don’t like his face. He looks like he’d be a tattletale or something. I can just see him crying to his mom if we picked on him in the neighborhood growing up.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
3 years ago

“let’s kick the can of worms down the road”

In the world of mixed metaphors, that is a chef d’oeuvre.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Felix Krull
3 years ago

it only worked because the MSM promoted him like he was God. And bullied everyone else into silence if they opposed the Black Jesus.

Trump(and Perot) was the opposite, he won office because he went specific. Going specific does work if it is on issues that are important to the voters. The DR OTOH has to be nebulous for the simple reason it has no real core issues or at least those that are relevant to a large percentage of the White population.

acetone
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
3 years ago

Hope, change and repatriation

Gunner Q
Reply to  Felix Krull
3 years ago

” Vagueness is what had people swooning over Obama’s “masterful” rhetoric: he made everybody believe he was dog-whistling to them personally while saying absolutely nothing.”

That must be what Fauci is doing. He’s all “perhaps” this and “could be” that, yet people hang on his every word like he’s imparting the wisdom of the ages.

In my world, a bygone world of honesty, you couldn’t be considered an expert unless you SAID SOMETHING.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  Gunner Q
3 years ago

And you see that world as existing just before you were born.

Epaminondas
Member
3 years ago

One of the more ironical aspects of our accelerating demographic change is the emergence of fiery dissident leadership by a person named “Fuentes”. And he’s not alone. Peter Navarro and Devin Nunes are two more intensely involved politicos on the right carrying Spanish names. Perhaps American will eventually get the caudillo we so desperately need.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Epaminondas
3 years ago

And then there’s 18 year old Isabel Peralta, who’s now in hot water for saying something that’s forbidden.

threestars
threestars
Member
Reply to  Epaminondas
3 years ago

Fuentes as a caudillo makes for a hilarious mental image. Thanks for the laugh!

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  threestars
3 years ago

I’m not suggesting any of those three will be the one. I’m suggesting that such a person could very well come from Spanish ethnicity. And wouldn’t that be the greatest irony of all?

Member
Reply to  Epaminondas
3 years ago

I think there *is* actually a pretty well-defined core to this-thing-of-ours (hehe, la cosa nostra). First all it must begin with patriarchy. The gynocracy has failed. It has shown, through years of coddling idiots, criminals, malignant foreigners, degenerates, culminating in the Covid madness and rioting, that it cannot maintain ordered freedom. National integrity (strong borders) and social stability, “family values” in the sense of policies that encourage the formation of family, driving Leftists out of the school system, overhauling and downscaling higher education, an economy with a (good) place for people of all IQ levels and inclinations who are productive… Read more »

David
David
Reply to  Pozymandias
3 years ago

As phase one , sure. Eventually we’ll need some proxy for ethnicity to separate everyone, ie, non taxpayers, welfare recipients, IQ, etc, otherwise it will all start over again.

Member
Reply to  David
3 years ago

I agree with this too. I was one of the upvotes. The basic idea is that we’re building a snowball and tossing it down the hill. Its forward momentum is free association and rejection of equalism and globalism. Once it gains enough mass we can do as we like. This is why the globalists are so terrified. They see the snowball is already rolling and they themselves have been running the snow machines that guarantee it has plenty of fuel to grow.

Ripple
Ripple
Reply to  Epaminondas
3 years ago

Devin Nunes is of Portuguese descent, not Spanish.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Ripple
3 years ago

Close enough. They’re neighbors.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Epaminondas
3 years ago

Je suis Iberians.

MBlanc46
3 years ago

You’re certainly correct that “America First” can be read In at least two ways. For the short term, that ambiguity can work in our favor. It has broad appeal to normies and the right-leaning that are not yet enlightened regarding demographics. It can then be subtly morphed into “America = white”.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
3 years ago

it’s telling that trump spoke at CPAC. that to me, is a disqualifier for future consideration. but none was needed as his time is over.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Karl McHungus
3 years ago

He has spoken there yet. That will take place this afternoon. You may want to at least wait and hear what he says before going off on him.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Epaminondas
3 years ago

“has not” spoken there last. You know what I mean.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Epaminondas
3 years ago

“YET. YET.” Damn, I’m still hung over.

WCiv...---...
WCiv...---...
Reply to  Epaminondas
3 years ago

It doesn’t matter much what he says. The media reports will be about white supremacy, white racism, and that whites are planning another insurrection.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  WCiv...---...
3 years ago

The media reports will be about white supremacy, white racism, and that whites are planning another insurrection.

What difference, at this point, does it make?

CF O'mally
CF O'mally
3 years ago

I hope for the best success for Fuentes and his crew, but these millennials with their comic books, bad music and ill fitting suits are really annoying.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  CF O'mally
3 years ago

I wish those darn kids would stay off my lawn.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  CF O'mally
3 years ago

Farmers don’t just till the land, they also involve themselves in husbandry. Rather than complaining about the superficial, we’d be better off trying to break and domesticate the younger generation; harness them for our benefit and theirs.

CF O'Mally
CF O'Mally
Reply to  KGB
3 years ago

I never let my son wear a ball cap anything but brim forward, and with a proper bend in it best shaped in the bull pin while waiting to get the nod from the skip late in the game.

My father taught me a windsor knot, loafers with tassels and pleated pants were for sissys. The top button on your suit or sport coat should be buttoned only when standing, and unbuttoned while sitting.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  CF O'mally
3 years ago

Heh. Don’t I know it. There’s nothing that looks stupider than a 20-something, barbate, ectomorphic white guy wearing a suit two sizes too small, the jacket unbuttoned, and no tie. White guys looked better in 1971 than they do in 2021, and that’s saying something.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
3 years ago

It would be interesting what the old man himself, Pat Buchanan thinks of Nick Fuentes or if he has even heard of him?
Pat got me started down the DR path. If only…..

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
3 years ago

Pat is getting somewhat senile. He believes that Biden really did get more valid votes than Trump. Sheesh!

Jason Knight
Jason Knight
3 years ago

Nick DID define what America is: a Christian nation with a British cultural framework. He was very upfront that America was founded by White people, and that we oppose demographic change.

Hal
Hal
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

I suspect (though don’t know) that Mr. Fuentes’ game is to build a substantial and recognized alternative political group before he gets honest about the state of America. American nationalism is still immensely popular among Whites, and most of them aren’t going to want to let that dream go until the very last second. Better to bring them to a point where they can start to accept that the dream died a generation ago than to leave them as useful idiots for the mainstream grifters

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Hal
3 years ago

Agree. The priority has to be to create a place Normie can feel at home. Once the flock is gathered and sees itself as a flock, the shepherding can begin.

MN Steel
MN Steel
Reply to  Bilejones
3 years ago

More than likely the SHEARING will begin on earnest.

This is the model in FUSA, especially towards those that think USA! USA! USA! can be restored without bloodshed.

The tinder and detritus from over a century of neglect must be burned off before green shoots have a chance to survive.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

Sadly the DR offers nothing in this regard either. At least Fuentes is doing something and he does show a talent for organizing which is really critical if you want a movement to get off the ground.

It’s good enough that it will attract normies and MAGA peeps fed up with Clown World. Which is a start. It doesn’t need to be perfect it just needs to be good enough.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Rwc1963
3 years ago

With all due respect, and playing a little devil’s advocate, but we don’t know his talent for organizing. What we know is that he got Gosar to show up and now Gosar is trying to distance himself. Curious in and of itself. But that Gosar showed up suggests — doesn’t prove, but suggests — this may have not been a purely Nick Fuentes production. There may have been some professional republican muscle. Shades of Dick Armey insinuating himself and the republicans into the Tea Party movement only to co-opt it out of existence. Like on those murder mysteries, it seems… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Falcone
3 years ago

Well, I’ve never met the young man so, yes, I’m in no position to evaluate his leadership skills.

But they will be out to the tested soon enough. Because I think this Gosar thing is a big deal because on the one hand he was their big “get” and now he’s sorta throwing him under the bus,

Tough decision on how to play it. If I’m pissed and I’m not even a Fuentes guy, I have to imagine how his followers feel. But then he can’t just go pissing on Gosar.

Handsome Devil
Handsome Devil
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

Nick is creating a political organization assembled from the largest ethnic group in America, disaffected white people. It is very similar to what Mark Collett is doing with PA. Only Mark doesn’t have the coat tails of a Trump, who as Nick pointed out is the most popular republican president in history, but is treated like a leper by the mainstream. There is a huge potential that nick is tapping into. And, looks like he has the best chance of any nationalist on the scene to actually accomplish. Which is why most of Nicks speech was a warning about opportunists… Read more »

Handsome Devil
Handsome Devil
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

Uhhhh, say what? Trumps 74 million election votes makes him the most voted for president in the history of the US.

Handsome Devil
Handsome Devil
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

He even beat the magic negro by 15 million votes. Sheeeeeeit be-owtch!

KGB
KGB
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

I can’t believe that at this stage of the game there still exist those willing to hype the MAGA program. Just as the neo-cons always want it to be the heady days of Desert Storm, the Trump supporters want it to be perpetually the evening of November 8, 2016.

Andy Texan
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

Reagan was very popular but doubt he could draw as many people to an event to hear him speak.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

country: the people inside a border and the political, social, cultural, and economic systems by which their lives are governed nation: a set of people bound by blood, culture, religion, and shared history America was a country originally populated by a set of new Christian-heritage European nations, each a synthesis of different proportions of the baseline Europeans (English, Germans, Poles, etc) upon a British-heritage substrate and governed in a federal compact. America started as a federation of European ethnostates (just like Switzerland). We of the historical American people, descended from our original European American nations, are still here. The central… Read more »

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Horace
3 years ago

Yes to all of this, but you haven’t proposed a solution to the problem that may actually work, as in succeed in re-establishing a natural order. Begin by identifying the root of the problem with clarity. Then focus on that and evaluate various options for eliminating the problem. Then figure out which path is the most efficient way to get there. It’s not enough to just continually explicate all the bad things that are happening and whine about how bad it is.

Major Hoople
Major Hoople
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Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

I think any vision about how to move forward doesn’t include the Republican Party. Watching Cruz diss Loomer (she may be a nut, but deserves at least a little courtesy), and Gosar do the “no white supremacy here, boss” routine is pretty sickening. I don’t see a chance for wholesale replacement of gop leadership, so working where you is probably the best way forward. And kneecapping republicans in both primaries and the general, just for fun.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Major Hoople
3 years ago

It’s not just for fun. It’s serious medicine. Some cures are quite painful, but you must bite your tongue or die.

Menace Wanderer
Menace Wanderer
Reply to  Major Hoople
3 years ago

I worry that America First is yet another gatekeeping op. Remember when “nationalism” took off in 2016? The regime responded by flying in an Israeli foreigner to co-opt it with “muh no white supremacy rhetoric” then promptly banning everyone but civnats; they co-opted it to mean just what the old failed ideology was. Funny how the same thing is happening here. Watch for them to redefine America First to look a lot like Con. Inc. with the usual results.

David
David
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

No one is going to blatantly admit that the end goal of their small movement is secession. They need to garner support, raise funds, build coalitions, and show people that they truly have a chance at starting over somewhere. Its going to look a lot like trying to save all 50 states at first.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Jason Knight
3 years ago

Fuentes puts a lot of emphasis on Christianity. I don’t know how popular that is with Americans these days, but I do know what is popular and that’s 1. Limiting immigration, 2. Stop the outsourcing of jobs, 3. Stay out of war. That’s what the people want.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Wolf Barney
3 years ago

I will say this: ipso facto, Christianity is the white man’s religion, which is one reason it is reviled so intensely by the AWRs. Thus, when people like Fuentes deploy Christianity as a political trope, they are using code language for white, and that is a good thing.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 years ago

Yep. I’ve barely been in a church outside of weddings in my life, but I know immediately that Christian – at least in the United States – means Whites. Yeah, I get that a fair amount of blacks and Hispanics are Christian, but in a political sense, Christian is White.

B125
B125
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

And let’s be honest, white people are really the only group who takes Christianity seriously. Blacks don’t have the future time orientation or self control to care much about their sins. Some mexicans take it seriously but there’s all kinds of messed up stuff with gangs and cartels. And their kids are all degenerates who assimilate into globohomo. White Protestants (pretty much evangelical Christians) are the only group who actually try and follow the Bible , and also have resisted the poz (and have strong fertility numbers). Yes, the Southern Baptist Convention is globohomo controlled but individually there are many… Read more »

B125
B125
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 years ago

Anybody can be a Christian… But in my opinion, it’s hard to be White without being a Christian. Without the Christian religion there is a huge hole in the NW-Euro spirit. We seem to be either godless, dead hedonists, or vibrant, zealous believers in Christ. As a Christian I can automatically tell when a fellow white person is a Christian because they don’t have a dead spirit. It’s hard to reform the country and its (white) people because many don’t want to be saved. A Christian revival would go a long way in terms of “lighting up” our White energy… Read more »

Montefrío
Member
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

Well, I’m White, not a Christian, but I certainly do not have a “dead spirit”. Save your silly generalizations for one of those revival meetings you seem to like.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

Evangelican Christians like Huckabee with his TV show about the tragedy of Holocaust victims living in poverty who are in desperate need for “our” help can go fuck themselves. They’ve done far more damage to America than blacks have.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Wolf Barney
3 years ago

He’s smart and uses it as a dog whistle to attract White Christians to his cause. He knows full well the Left HATES White Christians so he’s leveraging it.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Rwc1963
3 years ago

Correct. He’s using Christian as both a dog whistle to Whites (and to honestly describe our culture) and as a way to bait Liberals into attacking Christians, which shows Whites – Christian and non-Christian – how hateful Liberals are.

It’s very clever.

TomA
TomA
3 years ago

Imagine standing on a butte overlooking the wide Mississippi River. CPAC is holding an old-timey revival meeting in a tent by the shore, complete with fire & brimstone preachers and snake-handlers. AFPAC, led by a charismatic messiah, is leading a flock as they attempt to wade across the river to the far shore where heaven awaits. The powerful current of the Mississippi is oblivious to both groups and flows on inexorably. Most of the population carries on with their daily lives because habit, but there is growing anxiety due to rumors of biblical rains falling in the NW and the… Read more »

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
3 years ago

“The two visions of the future of the right are interesting in that neither is all that clear about where they are going. ..”
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The same could be said about the DR. In fact, the dissidents are in the same boat as the rest when it comes to re-learning farm skills. Perhaps I can be forgiven for smirking at the swarm of Cons. Inc. that accosted you over the weekend? While I certainly can’t dispute the way you handled them… I am stumped too. Any future we have is going to involve those people.

MikeCLT
MikeCLT
Reply to  Glenfilthie
3 years ago

Zman was accosted over the weekend? We need to have a “hate Whitey” rally in front of NR headquarters.

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Glenfilthie
3 years ago

I think this will be a fairly salient issue in whatever future we have – a large cohort of Whites, to say nothing of the remaining dross including joggers, little hats and various other mystery meat will need to be purged from the system and, in the case of the remaining Whites, in many cases) it’ll be pitting friends against friends and family members against each other.
I wish these younger guys the best of luck. Hopefully a charismatic and strong leader can arise from the bunch.