Lessons From Afghanistan

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Over the last week, the world has watched the great project of the American empire fall to pieces as if it was a controlled demolition. The Taliban has swept across Afghanistan, facing little more than token resistance from the official government. In fact, the official government fled the country without even pretending to care. As of Sunday evening, the U.S. government was scrambling to figure out how to evacuate the people with American citizenship while begging the Taliban for relief.

This week, regime elements will be playing the blame game, no doubt settling on the previous administration as the real culprit. Faced with disconfirmation of their beliefs, the new religion of our rulers triggers a process whereby they are convinced that the latest setback is actually part of the great plan. It is a sort of test of faith and the only way to get past it and continue the flow of history is to believe harder. In time, this will become a bloody shirt in the way Vietnam was for a generation.

Putting that aside, the collapse of the Afghan model reveals some things about the ruling regime that are useful to dissidents. The big lesson is that the Washington regime never felt it necessary to subvert the culture of Afghanistan. Instead, they spent twenty years celebrating it. Sure, they did the superficial stuff like flying the flags of various sexual deviants over the embassy, but they never tried to impose it on the Afghans in the same was we see them do it to white Americans.

If the Afghans were white, the empire would have accused them of Afghan privilege or maybe Afghan supremacy then set about destroying their culture. There would have been gay imams in rainbow colored tunics preaching about how Muhamad was really into sodomy. Of course, there would have been a heavy emphasis on women’s sports, perhaps fielding an all lesbian soccer team. None of that happened because that would have been insulting to the Afghans and their ways.

The big thing that the empire did not do that they are doing in their alleged home base of America is replace the people. A big part of the war on whiteness is the importation of millions of nonwhites into white countries. It is part of the dialectic made real, where mass immigration is the negation of white culture. The empire could have done this in Afghanistan with no trouble. There are a billion Africans looking for a better deal, so they could have imported some of them to celebrate diversity.

That really is the telling feature of the twenty year occupation. The rules in place over there were the exact opposite of the rules in place over here. There was no systematic statue toppling, no mass media campaigns against Afghan culture and no chanting about diversity being a strength. One could be forgiven for thinking that the people in charge of the American empire have more respect for Afghan culture and Afghan people than they have for the American people and their culture.

These are things most people probably knew, if they took the time to think about it, but the events of last weekend provide a good reminder. In the weeks to come, the ruling class will care more about the fortunes of people in Afghanistan than the victims of their opioid crisis they inflicted on rural America. They will work harder to preserve the “rights” of collaborators left behind in Kabul than the rights of American being held in dungeons around Washington. They hate us that much.

The useful lesson in all of this is these people have once again revealed that they really do believe their own nonsense. The old paleos remain convinced that the elites know their preaching is all nonsense, but the Afghan debacle is proof that they do get high from their own supply. The plan was to celebrate the exit on 9/11 as “mission accomplished” and then forget about the whole thing. Biden would get credit for finishing Obama’s project and ending the Bush war.

Over the weekend, their lack of preparation was on display, as the regime media was not provided with a script to follow. Instead, they were allowed to think for themselves, a dangerous prospect under ideal conditions. They sent Biden out to take questions not vetted in advance and it was another humiliation. The sight of an eighty year old man struggling to do the basics is symbolic of the empire. Like Biden, it is old, senile, and operating on the fumes of past glories that never really happened.

This is not the first time the ruling elite have fallen for their own rhetoric. Back in the Obama years, they were sure the summer of 2010 was going to be “recovery summer” for the economy. They even had a campaign all ready to go. That ended the same way the Afghan withdraw ended. Recall that Biden promised this summer would be the end of the Covid panic. Everyone would get to party again. The prophesies of the new religion have a bad habit of never coming true.

Of course, the big lesson in all of this is that a small, dedicated minority can win against all odds if they refuse to surrender. The irony of the American foreign policy establishment not remembering the story of David and Goliath is one of those things that tells us something about the people in charge. They are just so sure they are on the right side of history, that they never take a moment to consider their role in it. They were the Goliath this time and the Afghans were the David.

Granted, the American military would happily abandon the rules of engagement they labored under in Afghanistan when it comes to whiteness. You can be sure General Milley has a speech ready about how white rage is really a part of some secret connected between white people and the Taliban. That said, men living as they did when Alexander the Great was in Afghanistan fought the mighty U.S. Military to a draw and then drove them from their lands. An inspiration to us all.

In the end, this is how dying empires look from the inside. The people at the top fear self-examination, so they commit to a zealous form of the mentality that made the empire possible in the first place. The empire and their place atop it are the center of their belief system and no disconfirmation will shake that belief. They will die with the empire that makes them possible. What comes next is up to the people who survive the inevitable collapse in order to fill the void of empire.


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karl mchungus
karl mchungus
3 years ago

if there isn’t a nuclear exchange to prevent it, the prc will move right into afghan…and turn it into a giant slave labor camp. won’t be hard to do, just round up who you can, and put them in a camp. destroy all ag in the country with liberal soakings of defoliants. let the taliban live like rats in the mountains, and kill them easily as soon as they approach a camp. cause the chins will force the afghans to knock down every fukkin building in the country. not needed any more. and the rare earth elements, AKA “spice”, will… Read more »

trackback
3 years ago

[…] the headlines as of this writing is news of the Taliban’s lightning reconquest of Afghanistan. The collapse of American neocons’ pet project in the lead up to the 20th anniversary of 9/11 […]

Fred Beans
Fred Beans
3 years ago

The regime and media are lazy, flaccid. There is little to no accountability for either, and now they don’t even have to worry about a voter revolt, they have the mechanisms fully in place to prevent undesirable consequences. Sort of like the immune system. Given no challenges, it weakens to the point where the host dies.

George Bushwhack
George Bushwhack
Reply to  Fred Beans
3 years ago

Imagine in 2001 you knew the game plan after 911 was to import millions of muslims to America. That way, Muslims could launch terror strikes without so much planning.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
3 years ago

Ah shoot. The airport. Ransom City.

I predict a Taliban Boom! Hey, we’re well versed in spreading the money around there, it’s a twenty-year tradition.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
3 years ago

zman, are you going to have vaxxed and unvaxxed comment sections?

what would be the effect if biden gang blocks inter-state travel? a couple of things; one, those roads will be blown out, over and over again. secondly, irrespective of #1 happening, local production of many things will become economically viable again. good bye amazon and walmart. and just about every international brand. oh you plan to fly shit in? airports gone too, because of flight bans.

i can’t wait until a loose stinger missile brings down bill gates private jet, and the filthy pervert soils himself in fear.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
3 years ago

Oh boy! Do I listen to Chris Cuomo on CNN (yep, they brought him back) or Rachel Maddow on MSNBC?

This is gonna be sooo good

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
3 years ago

I spent 3 trillion and all I got was an area rug saying get the fuck out Uncle Shlomo..

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
3 years ago

Wait, wait. The current sh*tshow started in 1979. That’s not $6 Trillion, that’s Forty Years of investment.

Where is our India? Where are our territorial possessions? We don’t even have a trans-continental railroad over there.

shadohand
shadohand
3 years ago

To be fair, it Trump pulled us out, it would have been a clusterfuck too. There was no easy way out of this. We should have never gone in the first place is the lesson. Amongst others. America really needs to adopt the Foreign Policy of “Fuck Around, and Find Out!” going forward.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  shadohand
3 years ago

No. No. No.

Biden owns this.

Jebus. Trump the “Commander of the Armed Forces” tried to lots of things military, and they undercut him at every opportunity. Syria, anyone?

Military followed Biden on this one. They saw the weak horse, took their chance to get out of Dodge, lick their wounds, and re-tool and re-task for US domestic operations.

This is all on Biden. Not that I much care.

shadohand
shadohand
Reply to  ProZNoV
3 years ago

No its not. As commander in chief Trump could have just ordered the troops home. What are the generals going to do, ignore the order? Fire them if they do, until you find someone to follow the orders. Put a Private in charge if you have too. That’s the power the Presidency has. Stop it with the second set of books nonsense.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  ProZNoV
3 years ago

And now the military can turn around and shriek all their high-tech war toys are compromised because they fell into Taliban hands and they need new, more expensive ones across the board.

Great, except they’d know that’s impossible if they’d read the report Trump commissioned three years ago that describes how effed our defense supply chains are.

tristan
tristan
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
3 years ago

Maybe they should have bought Toyota pickups and some AK47s instead.

Whiskey
Whiskey
3 years ago

My guess is the Regency is wounded, in that they promised the GAE and they got the Taliban. It really is stunning and stinging rebuke of the Poz and all the GAE had to offer. Or the Davos man WEF if you prefer. I would not underestimate the danger to ordinary people from this. Harris and maybe the Generals who are blaming Biden could conspire to remove him and install the Diversity Heir. The Intel Agencies are also blaming Biden. It was a fool’s belief to think that once unleashed against Trump they would be obedient to their new masters.… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Whiskey
3 years ago

The Regime is a bloodied mess and in no position to do what you suggest. Harris, it seems, is more loathed than Biden. There has been an ongoing whisper campaign against her for months. Obviously she and Biden are puppets, but the loss of face due to the Regime’s incompetence is making these lame figures even a bigger embarassment. I will agree a military coup is possible, but only ever-so slightly. If the military is about to face consequences (it won’t) for leaving behind weaponry for the Taliban, maybe. The Empire is done, and I do agree it is especially… Read more »

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Jack Dobson
3 years ago

Read Harris is not doing pressers because she’s “Focusing on Haiti.”

What the heck did Haiti ever do to deserve that kind of treatment?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  ProZNoV
3 years ago

Be black and profoundly dysfunctional. But I repeat myself…

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Whiskey
3 years ago

this is a huge black swan event for the global masters, not just biden. it has created a huge temptation for china to go rushing in somewhere, and trigger a nuclear response. because people like our leadership are going to go as big as possible to regain prestige and legitimacy. i have to imagine their are very loud and scary alarm bells going off all over the world. but the iceberg has been hit, and the grand ship is mortally wounded – beyond repair.

poor military, they chose poorly. good bye volunteer military, hello 85 IQ military.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

Stop kidding yourself. They will be giving one another medals next week.

Catxman
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

China moves in slow increments, not giant leaps. It allowed Britain to hold onto Hong Kong until 1997 and then it moved in and swallowed it with one giant gulp. (That sucking sound you heard was all its British-based freedoms going down the gullet.)

Taiwan is still nominally independent today and the Chinese are patiently awaiting their turn to keep the economy and spit out the freedoms like a sunflower seed.

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  Catxman
3 years ago

I sincerely hope that the Kuomintang are busy moving all of their machinery for chip fabs over to Arizona.

Else we – the Anglosphere & the Kuomintang – might not be long for this earth.

Who The Phuck Ever thought it would be a jolly good idea to export all of the Anglosphere’s intellectual property to the Orient for manufacture is a Somebody The Phuck Ever who needs to h@ng from the nearest tree.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Not My Usual Pen Name
3 years ago

I agree with that 100%. Shipping 50% of our industrial capacity to communist China (1), jumpstarting their economic development turning them into a planetary threat, and sabotaging cordial relations with a white Christian-heritage Russia and pushing them into an unwanted alliance with China was one of the greatest acts of treason in human history. Consistent with Robert Conquest’s Laws, it appears that our country has been run for decades by people who hate it and want to destroy it.

(1) Much has since moved on to rest of 3rd world.

B125
B125
Reply to  Whiskey
3 years ago

It’s remarkable how everybody is either cheering on the defeat, or laughing about it.

The rulers pretend to be serious while the audience is heckling and throwing tomatoes.

This doesn’t seem to be a nation that has the backing of most of its citizens.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

Nation?

The geographic area between the Canadian and Mexican borders is now just one big open air lunatic asylum.

Gespenst
Gespenst
Reply to  Whiskey
3 years ago

I expect Lloyd Austin rather than Thoroughly Modern Milley. Austin looks Idi Amin.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Whiskey
3 years ago

Agree on “do not underestimate the danger.” This is the chaos phase, appearing weak, while gearing up to lock us down with vengeance. Good call, Whiskey.

(My conservative friend: “yoo-hoo, can’t you hardly wait for the mid-terms!”

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
3 years ago

occasionally zman mails one in, and this is one of those times. there was no point in degrading the afghan culture, because it is already in such a degraded state. and the way they survive repeated invasions, is that they don’t really have a choice. like scattering cockroaches, they disperse until the coast is clear. admire them all you want, but the most sincere admiration would entail your moving there. so what is stopping you? mongols went in and settled them down good. not sure why the CCCP didn’t use that campaign as a blueprint; it’s not like it’s out… Read more »

Muhammad Izadi
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

“mongols went in and settled them down good.”

Mongols themselves converted to Islam and gradually became culturally Persianized.

The soil of Khorasan has humbled many a stiff neck.

Macedonians, Greeks, Arabs, Mongols, English, Russians, and now the Zionist-occupied America.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Muhammad Izadi
3 years ago

why did you decide it was better to avoid my claim? because it is true. only a degenerate inbred pseudo intellectual would take pride in islam.

tristan
tristan
Reply to  Muhammad Izadi
3 years ago

That’s weird given how the Greco-Bactrian kingdom lasted 300 years, and Ai-Khanoum was a large hellinic city until the Chinese Yuezhi overran it in 1st century AD.

RoBG
RoBG
3 years ago

Jacqui Heinrich (Fox) is reporting American Citizens are not being given priority in evacuations from Kabul.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  RoBG
3 years ago

Our elite, including the military, is committed to the progressive stack. https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=progressive%20stack

To almost every elite from either party, brown lives are more valuable that non-elite white lives. Even in Afghanistan.

It’s hard for me to understand how white normies can’t see that their rulers literally hate them and wish death upon them.

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  LineInTheSand
3 years ago

They can’t do anything about it that wouldn’t result in annihilation of the United States in one of the bloodiest civil wars in human history and for no clear gains.

Restoring marriage for example while a fine and good thing doesn’t seem worth half the population

On top of that Gen X who would normally be leaders often as not aren’t interested or are outright unwilling.

The latchkey generation was left alone so they just want to be left alone.

Celt Darnell
Member
3 years ago

Good analysis, but let’s be honest here: the reason GAE didn’t flood Afghanistan with Negroes was not out of respect for Afghan culture, but because GAE would have been kicked out even quicker than they actually were.

As for the Africans, the Afghans would have:
1) enslaved them
2) castrated them
3) eaten them or,
4) simply killed them

GAE may be incompetent (OK, are incompetent, as demonstrated this weekend) but they aren’t entirely stupid.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Celt Darnell
3 years ago

You’ve got a point there. The Afghan Muzz aren’t exactly Minnesota Lutherans. The Hutus would have swiftly wished they’d never left the Dark Continent.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Celt Darnell
3 years ago

Correct. The grift had to be run as long as possible, and such antagonism would have shortened the gravy train.

Invest in bolt holes.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
3 years ago

Zman, does the rampant inflation world wide, help or hurt RPC? If the latter, then setting it off intentionally might make a certain amount of sense.

Bilejones
Member
3 years ago

And it’s hard not to laugh at this:

” the power transition in Afghanistan is even more smooth than presidential transition in the US.”

https://www.unz.com/aanglin/china-notes-that-transfer-of-power-in-afghanistan-was-smoother-than-in-united-states/

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
3 years ago

The collapse was predictable. This is a replay of Northern Iraq when ISIS rolled in. First off Arabs are worthless fighters, secondly with a average IQ of 85 and illiterate they are un trainable. Worse they come from a culture where theft and grift are normal. We saw it in Iraq when we turned over brand new bases for them. The first thing the Arab commanders did was invite in thieves and scavengers to loot the base and leave it a empty shell within hours. This happen in Afghanistan where we started turning our FOBs and other sites. The Muzzies… Read more »

Swissguard
Swissguard
3 years ago

Is there any doubt that the ruling elite know that they can fix all elections from here on out:

“America Last: Biden Will Not Prioritize Americans Over Afghans in Afghanistan Evacuation”

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2021/08/16/biden-americans-afghanistan-evacuation/

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
3 years ago

Unleash the mockery! 3 favorites:

“The White House has ordered rainbow flags be lowered to half staff.”

“We’ll know the U.S. has fallen when we see online ads of American brides trolling for Russian husbands.”

“Globalist American Empire: GAE”

Lucius Sulla
Lucius Sulla
3 years ago

Do US Military senior officers have any honor? Do they feel any shame? Aren’t they ashamed?

If they had Japanese-style honor many would be slicing their bellies right now.

I would love, just once, to see some media member or some member of Congress, when asking questions of one of these highly-decorated Generals/Admirals, to ask them about all the wars they have won. Refer to all those patches and medals on their breast and shoulders and ask them for which victories were they awarded.

What a bunch of incompetent losers.

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  Lucius Sulla
3 years ago

If they had that much honor elite heads would be on pikes and the US having new elections January 1 or so. In any case Its pretty obvious Woke Force One and its elite Fail Team Six aren’t as good as they want people to think. The optics of this are not good, no doubt the Chinese and to a lesser degree degree Russia are licking their chops. This also explains the blather about internal militias or whatever was coming out of DHS a few days ago. 70K Afghan insurgents beat the US.700 IRA made the Brits like hell. The… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  A.B Prosper
3 years ago

There is one huge problem there: While it is true that we outnumber the elites by a large number, according to a female on FB who worked in DHS while Barry was prez (Sorry, her name escapes me) stated that after the ’20 election when the subject of Trump voters came up (This example of the Afghan fighters was raised as an example being able to bring the US military to it’s knees), she said, “The big difference between dealing with the Trump voters vs the Talban – in terms of rules of engagement – is that there will be… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Steve
3 years ago

No rules of engagement cuts both ways.

I think Lenin once said, “Where you find velvet, push. Where you find steel, retreat.”

Now, think about where the velvet might be…

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  Steve
3 years ago

Sure but as The Wild Geese Howard noted this goes both directions.

There have been plenty of brutal atrocity laden insurgencies where one or both sides decided that there are no rules.

Its expected and the insurgents unlike those in Afghanistan can find ways to take the fight to the literal homes of the enemy.

The expectation that up to 2/3rds of the population will die of privation and violence is one of the reasons people are avoiding it. Nothing seems bad enough nor doe any outcome seem worth that price. Yet.

PrimiPilus
PrimiPilus
Reply to  Lucius Sulla
3 years ago

As a guy who SAT IN THE ROOM over several decades with this sort, I’d point out a fundamental mistake most Americans make when thinking about flag and general officer leadership. They do not talk about or train toward “winning.” Silly citizen. Their mandate is MANAGING CONFLICT. Or at times managing THE ETHICAL APPLICATION OF LETHAL FORCE (whatever that might mean). Winning DOES NOT figure into the GO mindset, except is it applies to “… hearts and minds.”

I kid you not …

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  PrimiPilus
3 years ago

Their mandate is MANAGING CONFLICT.

I.e. create a controlled party and a controlled opposition party, and then let each one win just enough elections so that the NYSE & the NASDAQ continue rising, and the boomers remain fat & content.

Bilejones
Member
3 years ago

I’m astonished by the apparent effort to bring the Afghans who worked as translators etc to “safety” in the US.

Does anybody really believe that the US has a shortage of people who will sell out their country for a couple of bucks?

Lucius Sulla
Lucius Sulla
Reply to  Bilejones
3 years ago

Why are you astonished? It is page 1 in the globohomo playbook.

Invade the world, invite the world.

Warcrab
Warcrab
3 years ago

Does the big bad indispensable world conquering empire have enough Praetorian Guards to rebuild Haiti, protect Taiwan’s borders, hunt down domestic extremists, get the central bank in those last few nations that don’t have one, and get the rainbow flag flying everywhere?
The replacements only want the free milk and honey and the National Guard isn’t shall we say an elite unit.
Meanwhile the alphabet soup agencies clutch the triple paren manual while reading about the danger of right wing memes.

Vizzini
Vizzini
3 years ago

I really hope that right about now, Biden, with whatever mental faculties he has left, feels like that guy in the Twilight Zone episode who wished to be the ruler of a great and powerful country, only to find himself transformed into Hitler in the bunker.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
3 years ago

They’re going to replace him. Maybe that is why he is nowhere to be found right now.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Glenfilthie
3 years ago

yep, he was the patsie all along. if i were joe, i would avoid underground parking garages.

SwissGuard
SwissGuard
3 years ago

Just when you think it can’t get more insane – From The Hill (sorry if this was already posted – just catching up)

“Fully vaccinated man dies of COVID-19, daughter says he was cautious”

“According to Jan Patterson, an infectious disease specialist at UT Health, Rodriguez was right in her assessment, that her father would have suffered more if he had not been vaccinated.”

How much worse … he died.

https://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/567402-fully-vaccinated-man-dies-of-covid-19-daughter

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  SwissGuard
3 years ago

Hush, hush now. I’m just going to press the pillow down. Don’t struggle. It will be easier this way. We don’t want your death to be unpleasant, do we?

We are all Kosh
We are all Kosh
Reply to  Vizzini
3 years ago

Inconceivable!
I don’t remember, is that how Scalia died?

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  SwissGuard
3 years ago

her father would have suffered more if he had not been vaccinated Once again, globo-homo-pedo is being remarkably honest here: If he had died of pneumonia, it would have been an excruciating several weeks of suffering [maybe upwards of a month], whereas the vaccine killed him much moar quickly and painlessly [pretty much immediately]. You just gotta think like a proper Hemlock Society euthanasia-ist, and then all the verbiage makes complete sense. Remember, the Passive-Aggressives are yuge on following the letter of the law to a “T”. In fact, I’ve arrived at the conclusion that “Law Enforcement” [in a moderin… Read more »

Muhammad Izadi
3 years ago

“The big lesson is that the Washington regime never felt it necessary to subvert the culture of Afghanistan.”

The USA is not even 300 years old.

Afghanistan/Khorasan as an ethnocultural entity is at least 1500 years old.

I don’t think the geopolitical hacks associated with the Washington regime were ever competent enough to undertake any such assignment.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Muhammad Izadi
3 years ago

Move in a new black underclass and a Chinese overclass, done.

Muhammad Izadi
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
3 years ago

It’s easy in the USA where the dominant culture has been devilish consumerism.

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  Muhammad Izadi
3 years ago

It’s easy in the USA where the dominant culture has been devilish consumerism.

Can’t argue with that, muh towel-headed Brutha.

Can’t argue with that.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Muhammad Izadi
3 years ago

Do not underestimate the ingenuity of “American” evil.

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
3 years ago

I just don’t buy the whole we were defeated narrative.
The reality has always been that we couldn’t stay forever and that once we left, they were going to go back to living the way they want to live. The real failure was the Afghan puppet regime could not maintain the country without the empire’s support. Once the empire decided to leave, the die was cast.
But whether it happened now, 5 years ago or 5 or 50 years from now, we couldn’t occupy them forever. Ain’t my people, ain’t my country, ain’t my problem.

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 years ago

Saying that our withdrawal doesn’t equate to defeat because we were always going to have to leave really misses the point. It was a stated goal of our government that we would being Democracy to Afghanistan. It was a stated goal of the Taliban that it would be a theocracy administered by the Taliban. The winner is the side that got it’s way and the loser is the side that didn’t get it’s way. Now, the question for you to answer is, will Afghanistan be a democracy like America wanted a r a theocracy like the Taliban wanted? The answer… Read more »

Liberty Mike
Member
Reply to  Drew
3 years ago

Yesterday, some one here observed that there are some men, of a certain vintage, in Afghanistan, who are going to bed knowing that they have ejected two evil, mass-murdering empires from their homeland in the last 30 years.

And they did so without the benefit of either the 2nd amendment of the NRA.

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  Drew
3 years ago

I don’t deny your point, but it also assumes Afghans wanted a liberal democracy and rule by lgbt, cat women and foreigners.

All that really happened is they waited long enough till we got tired of footing the bill. They couldn’t defeat the empire and they didn’t defeat the empire. Our stated objectives were unreasonable. We imposed it on them and they would not defend it once we left.

I hope the Taliban goes after the collaborators. I only hope one day we can do the same.

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 years ago

Well by that logic I guess the British won the revolutionary war and we’re all British subjects.

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  Drew
3 years ago

The Americans pretty much followed the Brits in that respect. It became too costly to hold, though for us, it was largely because we have become too poor to maintain the empire.
The US was in MUCH better shape in 2001 than it is in 2021. Not in good shape, but in much better shape than we are in now.

Fighting an occupying power is not the same as fighting your own government.

Either way, I am just glad we have finally pulled out. Our infrastructure is falling apart and we’re spending god knows how much money in Afghanistan.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 years ago

Winning the war is meaningless if you can’t win the peace. AINO lost the peace. Badly.

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 years ago

I agree that “we” lost the peace.

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 years ago

That’s the boomercon equivalent of the guy sitting in the city jail going “she didn’t look like no cop.”
Yet again, we lost. “We” may not mean “us” here, Kemosabe, but the Empire formerly known as America lost in every way that counts.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 years ago

Problem is we assumed something that we should not have assumed, that within ever Afghan is an American waiting to come out—culture and all. Total bs.

Now if we were serious, we’d have told the American people that to change the culture and society of Afghanistan into something resembling a Western culture we’d need to be there at *least* 3 generations, or 75 years. Further, we’d have to basically run the country, i.e., colonize it. That’s how the British tamed India and left a lasting impression on the country.

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 years ago

The reality has always been that we couldn’t stay forever and that once we left, they were going to go back to living the way they want to live. The reality is that we lacked the gonads necessary to do what was necessary to “conquer” Afghanistan: K!LL ALL OF THEM. That’s the only thing armies [and navies and air forces & space forces & biological warfare facilities] are good at: K!LLING. So long as a handful of fertile Afghan females and fertile Afghan males were still to exist, Afghanistan could always be re-created from scratch. Sadly, I’m old enough to… Read more »

Ex-Pralite Monk
Ex-Pralite Monk
3 years ago

I was in the 5th grade when Vietnam fell. I remember the TV reports of Vietnamese found crushed and frozen in the aircraft wheel wells on landing. Now we’re doing it all over again.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Ex-Pralite Monk
3 years ago

Same here, except I was in the dorm at the university. Quite an eclectic bunch gathered in the tv room watching the news reports. Quite a few vets in my dorm, coupled with native Vietnamese who were adopted by soldiers and returned to the USA with them. All were stunned, a few in tears. I was probably drunk as that was my level of maturity in those days. It was a national shame, but I wasn’t there yet in my understanding.

Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
3 years ago

I truly feel sorry for those Americans who lost family members in that pointless conflict. Thankfully the American people, even liberals, haven’t turned on returning soldiers by cursing and spitting at them as they did with Vietnam veterans. Europe hated Trump for any number of reasons. One being because he publicly rubbed our collective noses in our own BS when it came to contributing to NATO. It was a fair call on Trumps part. He was absolutely right and there was nothing Germany or anyone else could say to defend our actions. But while Biden’s mindless ramblings have been an… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
3 years ago

Why would “Leftists” spit on returning soldiers, when they can insult their sacrifice/efforts in even greater ways—such as cutting and running (thereby negating their sacrifice/efforts in the ME), creating a woke military full of trannies, gays, and minority female recruits—and in general destroying world’s respect/fear for the very organization that they (once) felt proud to serve in. Seems to me, making the military the laughing stock of the world is much better than spitting upon soldiers one by one as the arrive home.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Compsci
3 years ago

On the bright side it might make the military hesitant to take on more missions from this administration, if you know what I mean.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Paintersforms
3 years ago

or, the military convince president puddin’ head that the only way to recover from this (for joe) is to get a big win, quickly. in a way, biden is now owned by the military because biden is personally being blamed by *everyone* for this loss. and it is going to stick because some is going to pay, and might as well be joe. i say biden is dead within 30 days.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

The Period of 5 Emperors

Bedeviled Biden

Sacrificed Harris

Queen Pelosi the Short Lived

Milley Maximus

Lord “Camacho” Austen

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

Last night I tried to think of which institutions still have the perceived legitimacy to tamp down on this pressure cooker, and the military was the only one I could think of. That’s pretty unsettling. I agree Joe is toast. Is he kept on as a puppet with visible strings, is he replaced with Kamala, or does the military stage a coup? Those are the options as I see them. The coup seems most workable, which is even more unsettling. Supposing it’s a coup, do we live under a junta, or do they administer the state until we have an… Read more »

Member
Reply to  Compsci
3 years ago

The only soldiers I want to curse and spit on are the fucking lapdogs like Mattis and Milley and the entire Pentagon, and the ones guarding the regime in the Occupied Capital.

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
3 years ago

I’m glad we “cut and run” It was an unending occupation forcing their people to live under a foreign government they didn’t want to live under. But more importantly, it was bleeding us dry. Next time you are in the supermarket looking at those higher prices, remember, this your contribution to the war effort.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 years ago

Who is this “we,” kemosabe?

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 years ago

Well, we as in America. Yes, I realize we are ruled by foreigners. Your point is well taken.

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 years ago

Yes we were the baddies. And nice to see another Far Side referencer.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
3 years ago

You make a sobering point about the seriousness of the Biden Administration’s weakness and potential consequences therefrom, such as backing into a nuclear war through cowardly retreat and an incompetent accident of command failure. Everyone wants to vent about the Afghan debacle and thinks that the worst of it is national humiliation or wasted lives & money. But, if nukes start flying because China seizes an opportunity to retake Taiwan and Biden’s juice handlers decide to go macho, then pissing & moaning will be the least of our problems.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  TomA
3 years ago

Aye. I can see neo-con types thinking, “well if you aren’t happy with our war mongering in the Middle East, just wait till we push the button down in Asia!”

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  TomA
3 years ago

Nukes flying would be one of those events that could change the very nature of the government we so deplore, Probably won’t go our way however. Just a collapse into totalitarianism.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Compsci
3 years ago

the best thing that could happen to America, is to have every big city nuked. tell me how i am wrong. there are these japanese honey bees that are preyed on by this species of giant hornet. each such hornet is at lease 5x as big as a bee (going by memory; its on YT)? anyways, when a hornet scout is detected in the nest, the bees swarm it and start beating their wings. this raises the temperature of the ball of bees around the hornet. they literally cook the big hornet to death, because they have a slightly higher… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

Not necessarily. Nukes can kill a lot of folk. But there will be survivors. Won’t be the first time that a government went full totalitarian and began to direct resettlement and redistribution in such a time of chaos. That means you and me get to shoulder the burden of the remaining parasites under threat of force from the government.

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

have every big city nuked

We would need to remove the contents of the Smithsonian & the NGoA & the Lieberry of Congress & similar in each big city.

We would also need to get out the big rigs & the cranes & and put the major architectural treasures [such as Constitution Hall in Filthydelphia] on some giant steel beams, and haul them down the road, until well out beyond the blast radii.

Also any Stradivarius or Guarneri violins owned by the symphony orchestras or their musicians.

But once we had secured the major cultural treasures, then yeah, bombs away.

Hi - Ya!
Hi - Ya!
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
3 years ago

I asked a chinese customer the other day where he lived. “The second biggest island in China”. Guess which island he meant is China’s largest island?

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Hi - Ya!
3 years ago

ask him if chinese ICBMs are any better built than their apartment buildings (or that big dam that is just a little more bad rain away from catastrophic failure)?

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

And he might respond, “How do you know your nukes will go off?” 😉

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Compsci
3 years ago

i would answer “because they were designed and built by white people in the 50’s and 60’s”. oops, hmmm, only one way to find out 😛

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
3 years ago

Before you dismiss cursing and spitting on soldiers, remember that these are the same soldiers who will eventually be dragging you away at night if you don’t get vaccinated or are overheard making disparaging remarks about transsexuals.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Ploppy
3 years ago

no, that is the job for the police and secret police). you will get dragged away, but not by soldiers.

Whitespace
Whitespace
Reply to  Karl Horst (Germany)
3 years ago

A good friend of mine is somewhat keyed into what is going on in Taiwan and says would only be an invasion if America forces the issue. As we speak, China and Taiwan are in negotiations for a peaceful transition to unification.

In as much as Taiwan’s people are Chinese, Taiwan is China.

sentry
sentry
3 years ago

“The empire and their place atop it are the center of their belief system and no disconfirmation will shake that belief. They will die with the empire that makes them possible.”

my fear is they’ll jump ship & move to a different rising country to continue their bullshit plans.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
3 years ago

“That said, men living as they did when Alexander the Great was in Afghanistan fought the mighty U.S. Military to a draw and then drove them from their lands. An inspiration to us all.” Ha. Wonderschon! How odd it is to be cheering for the Taliban over “America,” but there you have it. Another key lesson from the Humiliation in the Hindu Kush is how resistant many non-white cultures are to democracy. This quintessentially white form of government just never took root in Afghanistan’s stony soil, and that is because it is incompatible with Afghan history and culture. Those people… Read more »

Stranger in a Strange Land
Stranger in a Strange Land
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 years ago

Wait a minute – you mean to say because diversity is so clearly our strength that they would not diversify and make it their strength too?
Someone needs to inform Joey, Chucky, Nancy, et al.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 years ago

democracy can only function in a high IQ country; it’s a complicated system, and runs counter to the base nature of many human beings. i.e. democracy is a cognitive mismatch for most of humanity. slavery is the fix for that, traditionally.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

Best, most succinct commentary I’ve heard today!

tristan
tristan
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 years ago

The middle east’s culture has been massively affected through propaganda and fake movements since WW2.

It just wasn’t the diversity kind.

The US,UK, Israeli and french intelligence essentially funded, created and ran the large scale islamic fundamentalist revival in the middle east with the Saudi regime.

From the 50s the strategy via Iran (installing Khomeini,) Israel’s creation of the Lebanese Islamic movements, North African Islamic radicals mainly via France and the current Syria/Libya Isis/arab spring movements.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  tristan
3 years ago

well the arabs were radicalized; you can tell by looking at newspaper clippings and tv snippets from the 60’s. but why was it done? and by whom? possibly their were multiple actors with similar designs, possibly a single massive actor.

Vizzini
Vizzini
3 years ago

All in all, I’m glad we’re out. My main worry is the subsequent flood of refugees. I don’t want a single damn one of them in the US.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Vizzini
3 years ago

Vizzini: Subheadline from Daily Mail Online today:

The US is preparing to take 30,000 refugees who will first be housed at airbases in Texas and Wisconsin

tristan
tristan
Reply to  3g4me
3 years ago

That is what something like 1% of the total population.

Lets say they are all male initially.

Followed by wives/children/relatives.

It could easily total 10% of the country.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Vizzini
3 years ago

Fox is reporting refugees will initially be housed at Fort Bliss and Fort McCoy, with more bases to be added. The Telegraph (UK) is reporting Britain is suspending border controls and Afghanis will be allowed in w/o a passport. Oh, and you remember the epidemic of rapefugee sex crimes that plagued Europe? “Europes Afghan Crime Wave is Mind-Boggling. ” https://bit.ly/3m8UsVu

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  RoBG
3 years ago

And we thought they’s hit Texas with Covid Mexicans.

3 Pipe Problem
3 Pipe Problem
3 years ago

Driving in to work this AM I tuned in to an radio interview already in progress with an unnamed American foreign correspondent, diplomat, or Afghanistan ‘hand’ [take you pick, doesn’t matter] , bemoaning the valuable Afghan assets left behind in this epically spectacular collapse. “We owe it to these thousands, maybe tens of thousands,” to get them out he preached in fustian cant. The high dudgeon was strong in this one, but all I could think was, Excellent! I hope this latest disaster serves as yet another wake up call to the masses. It’s not going to take too much… Read more »

Vizzini
Vizzini
3 years ago

“If the Afghans were white….”

Fifty years ago, or so, Middle Easterners were generally considered White, just on the browner end of the scale, like Turks and Lebanese (I suppose they’re not White anymore, either, but check out some Turkish TV shows — those be White people. Did anyone think the Lebanese Corporal Klinger on M*A*S*H wasn’t White back in the day? No.).

It’s part of the term I think Steve Sailer coined, “the flight from White.” Nobody claims to be White anymore if they can plausibly claim to be something else.

B125
B125
Reply to  Vizzini
3 years ago

Arabs have also suffered severe decline in the past 50 years. Older Arab men, particularly Christians, are basically white. In their dress, in their actions, in their mindsets. They also have a very high out-marriage rate, particularly with whites. Radical islam has badly changed Arab countries, as have invasions from Israel and the West. Western culture is now degenerate too, and their kids are bombarded with Africanized rap music and thug culture. Arab kids in the West are now functionally no different than Africans – ugly (emphasis on the ugly – why do they all have ugly beards?) thuggish, dumb,… Read more »

Sand Wasp
Sand Wasp
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

“The Middle East is actually not a bad place to live”

It is the high profile religious violence and the fact that it offends the tiny hats, that the Middle East has so much bad PR

A much worse and violent place to live is any Latin American country. The shear level violence is so much higher, but it of the more mundane drug and gang banger variety that doesn’t grab the headlines.

That is what we are primarily importing into this country

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Sand Wasp
3 years ago

Colombia is not the test. But yes, latin america and africa are in a class of their own for unending senseless <80 IQ violence. But there is not an arab country that is not an absolute shit hole. they are a profoundly broken and unfit group, no small part due to all the in-breeding they engage in. this is a classic, even for B125. pretty sure this is a new PR in stupidity for the guy.

B125
B125
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

Iraq was a perfectly stable and functional country under Saddam. You would have been safer in Iraq under Saddam than you are in Detroit, Philly, Baltimore, Camden, Miami… Etc, etc, etc. today.

Nobody expects Turks to put an Arab on the moon but it’s still a decent country. Would modern Greece be that much wealthier than turkey without Eu membership?

And yes, older generation middle Easterners in the west do act pretty white. I don’t support any immigration from that region, but it is true nonetheless. I stand by every word.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Vizzini
3 years ago

provide some proof of that. i don’t think anyone with working eyes, and even the tiniest acquaintance with an actual arab, would mistake them for white. there is a much stronger argument that italians are not white, than there is for arabs being white.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

Arabs were classified as White in the US through the 2010 census. The MENA category was proposed in 2015 when Arabs started realizing there’s better gibsmes in not being White. I don’t know how old you are, but I was *there* in the sixties and seventies. Arab was an ethnicity like Greek, Italian or German, but there was no racial classification — a guy like Jamie Farr or Omar Sharif was a White guy of Arab ethnicity. Same with Hispanics at the time — Cubans like Desi Arnaz or Gloria Estefan were White. Every ethnic difference wasn’t a racial difference.… Read more »

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
3 years ago

Here’s a fascinating bit dredged up from about a decade ago: http://www.debbieschlussel.com/13919/muslim-arabs-whine-were-not-white-we-want-separate-race-on-census-form-to-get-more-govt/ It’s a 2009 piece, but there was a spate of comments in 2012 from people really angry at “racist” Debbie Schlussel for pointing out that the reason for not identifying as White is to get more racial preferences. (Man, haven’t heard her name in years. Does she still write?) It’s pretty funny that for the past 20 years the left has been simultaneously pounding on the “race is a social construct” drum just as hard as they pound on the “Arabs/Hispanics/North Africans etc. aren’t White” drum. There are… Read more »

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Vizzini
3 years ago

we are closer genetically to indians than to asians. it’s that indo-european thing. saw pictures of albino indians (in india) that looked irish; their features were easier for me to ‘read’ than on their dark skinned brethren. no epicanthic folds, either.

the genetic history of europe is a lot more complex than you may realize. if you haven’t heard of the Yamnaya, that’s a good place to start.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
3 years ago

Yes, I’m aware of the genetic history of Indians, which is why I bothered to mention at length that it doesn’t make sense to classify them with “Asians.”

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

Losing a war sucks but the sting is the old blue-pill civnat. The worst part is that this will be an excuse to send MORE refugees our way. Now ‘Afghanistan is not safe anymore’ so your neighborhood needs to be crammed with Afghans.

If our side ever has to fight someone like the Taliban and we are the Goliath, Genghis Khan is the way to do it. If we are not the Goliath, we should also fight like Genghis Khan, hit and run mobility.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

Hit and run—indeed, but no mercy. Genghis Khan destroyed entire cities that pissed him off. In the end it lead to easier future victories through surrender and less worry about enemies regrouping to his rear. You can’t go Genghis Khan with White virtues.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Compsci
3 years ago

Compsci: Advice to be heeded when the mythical day comes that Whites in America truly realize the war that’s being waged against them. Hit and run and no mercy. The enemy needs to be annihilated.

tristan
tristan
Reply to  3g4me
3 years ago

I can’t really see that happening.

A large proportion will never accept it, even as they get exterminated.

The accounts for the soviet gulag had plenty of people convinced that Comrade Stalin had made a mistake in their case and if only they could get a letter to him, they would be released.

Then they got shot in the head.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Compsci
3 years ago

YT managed to pull off the Ostfront.

Just sayin’

3 Pipe Problem
3 Pipe Problem
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

The propaganda machine is already busy spewing out that old saw about the refugee…
Thank God the collapse is so precipitous it’s unlikely most of these so-called Afghan friendlies can be gotten out.

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  3 Pipe Problem
3 years ago

I hope the collaboraters get what they deserve, good and hard. A people’s traitors deserve whatever fate dishes our.
On the upswing, to hear it, the Taliban victory was so swift and complete (like a storm of war, you might say) that all avenues of foreign escape, namely by air, have been cut off. If so, there will be no saigon airlift part 2, no boat people this time around.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Good ol' Rebel
3 years ago

Thus eliminating the eyewitnesses…hello Benghazi

Federalist
Federalist
3 years ago

When Z Man talks about the general incompetence of our ruling elite, I generally agree but usually think that he’s overstating things. No more. They managed to let the Taliban absolutely route the forces of the collaborator government with Kabul falling JUST BEFORE THE 20TH ANNIVERSARY OF 9/11. A novelist wanting to portray the US as totally incompetent couldn’t have scripted this any better. The timing of all of this is amazing. Until fairly recently, the US military was still widely perceived (perhaps incorrectly – but still) as a traditional, conservative institution worthy of respect. Just as the military goes… Read more »

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Federalist
3 years ago

“the US Embassy in Kabul was tweeting out the gay rainbow flag in June.”

Insensitive. That’s not who the Taliban is.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Federalist
3 years ago

If I have to choose between forces flying the rainbow flag, and forces arrayed against it, I choose the latter.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Vizzini
3 years ago

Without even a moment’s hesitation.

manc
manc
Reply to  Federalist
3 years ago

Hey wait a minute…Totally Legit Joe said like a month ago Afghanistan was in no danger of falling. Since words are reality, there’s no way Kabul could be captured by the Taliban. We all just need to magically think harder.

S. Bishop
S. Bishop
Member
Reply to  manc
3 years ago

Not to worry, Dan Rather, Brian Williams, and Hillary Clinton are all just waiting to get their ‘combat bush jackets’ out of storage to go over and report the ‘true’ story of Afghanistan’s peaceful protests.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  S. Bishop
3 years ago

An Afghan Spring is in the air, replete with tranny pride parades, St. George Floyd statues, and a guest appearance by the US. Wymyn’s Soccer Team…

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  S. Bishop
3 years ago

Dan Rather has a totally legitimate memo that proves Trump is responsible for all of this.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Federalist
3 years ago

I hope someday soon to be seeing the Taliban burning the Fag Flag and dynamiting the U.S. embassy.

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 years ago

I hate to think it, but I have the distinct impression that what the world learns about the interior facilities at our embassy and ancillary buildings may lead to some ‘splody types seeking vengeance.
That, or they turn it into their own Auschwitz memorial museum, complete with screaming sound tracks for the “enhanced interrogation” rooms in the basement, to show the world how ‘Murica tortured and murdered 6 million of their people in the greatest crime of humanity evahh.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Good ol' Rebel
3 years ago

It would certainly be interesting, would it not, if the Afghans got their hands on some classified data proving US atrocities and then posted it on Youtube and other global forums? It would be a terrible-publicity ICBM straight down the White House’s chimney. And an uptick in revanchist terrorism could certainly follow in train. If AINO’s military can’t like the Afghans, how would they and affiliated services protect the homeland from a flood of terrorist attacks?

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
3 years ago

Afghans didn’t get the white treatment because they aren’t submissive like whites. Nobody respects a pussy. Doesn’t matter how smart or capable or how full of good will he is— he’s a pussy. Stop being submissive. No need to go psycho and get offensive, just don’t be pushed around.

Also, hey Falcone, how ‘bout it? The pace is really picking up. The denouement might not be far off.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Paintersforms
3 years ago

Yep, they are going to come after us with a vengeance now that they’re been humiliated

They are going to take out their frustrations on us

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Falcone
3 years ago

If the military wants to take orders from these clowns. Going after your own people, who happen to be the most heavily armed on earth, is probably not the best way to boost morale.

Can’t help it, I’m seeing a lot of potential silver linings. The sooner this nightmare is over, the sooner we get to the next thing. In our lifetimes?

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Paintersforms
3 years ago

In our lifetimes? Don’t see why not at this stage. The swelling numbers on the DR are a portent that lots of people have a sense this government isn’t going to last much longer. People can feel it in their bones and are looking for safety in numbers. That’s not proof that the government will soon collapse, but intuition is usually a good indicator as to where things are heading. At minimum, it means people are abandoning the government and the institutions, and that in itself has to mean the government is losing its hold over the people. Things could… Read more »

Mow Noname
Mow Noname
Reply to  Falcone
3 years ago

God willing.

…I’ve said it before, I LIKED our civilization: warts, joggers, gay pedos and all. I will sincerely miss it when it is gone (assuming I am not killed or don’t starve to death).

But despite the exemplary logic and writing skills of our host, this site is not mainstream and is not in line with what the mushy middle is thinking (or not thinking).

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

ESG and climate change come to mind.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

Sorry, that was a response to a comment below about what’s the next grift.

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
3 years ago

I spent some time in that beautiful hospital we (mostly Brits) built for them at the Kandahar Airfield. It can be argued that it was the most sophisticated building in the entire country. Hardened, wonderful, advanced power-generation, high-end CT CT scanners, etc. I would bet that it is now a great source of copper wire for the rest of the country, and completely useless as a hospital.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Outdoorspro
3 years ago

It was always a Potemkin village project.

Afghanistan would never be able to fund and support a hospital like you describe, even if there was peace in the land.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  ProZNoV
3 years ago

Poppy field slush fund notwithstanding, it might be that the Hindu Kush was a larger version of Solyndra and California’s Train to Nowhere. Plus a good way to slow bleed/kill off and maim white males, as they were 85% of American casualties. So many agendas, so many opportunities!

Of course this was sold to the megalomaniacs as “blocking China”, since we couldn’t possibly do business with them. /s

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Outdoorspro
3 years ago

An advanced western hospital in Afghanistan is about as useful as a negro in a physics class. And neither belong.

B125
B125
3 years ago

The ruling class and their thugs’ weakness is clear – the pandemic exposed it. The fear is death. At best (for them), they’re going to be snuffed out for all of eternity. At worst, and more probable, they’re going to burn in the lake of fire, forever. I wonder how Nancy feels, approaching the void. Or Joe Biden. Or any number of thug state enforcers, like antifa. The message from the COVID pandemic is clear. No measure is too drastic to increase their chances to continue living. Why did they freak out about Rittenhouse so much? Because he sent 3… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

The following statement is purely hypothetical, a fictional thought experiment: That’s exactly my take on the big lesson of Afghanistan. Naturally, I in no way, shape or form advocate for violence. Actually, at the moment, it probably is pretty stupid. But pushing back in small ways, noncompliance, etc., is a good start. But the big lesson of Afghanistan and Muslims in Europe is that our rulers can give a punch but can’t take one. No one wants to die for Goldman Sach or trannies. Those nice salaries and pensions of our ruler’s enforcers aren’t worth much if you’re not around… Read more »

RebBeard
RebBeard
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

The Informer by Sean O’Callaghan.

3 Pipe Problem
3 Pipe Problem
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

Some basic primers would be Tim Coogan’s The Man Who Made Ireland: The Life and Death of Michael Collins, [bio of Michael Collins] and Eamon De Valera: The Man Who Was Ireland [bio of Eamon deValera]. Both get into the events leading up tp the Troubles and provide some basic groundwork. If you are really serious, I recommend either a guest membership or a private subscription to JSTOR, giving you access to thousands of scholarly journal pieces on the key players and the Troubles.
NB: I think the free membership allows one 4 free downloads/month

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

Malicious compliance is a thing.

And it’s NOT a lie if YOU…..believe it…

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

“The Squad”, it’s an account of Collins’ methods of dealing with locals who sided with the Brits.

tristan
tristan
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
3 years ago

The problem is infiltration.
The brits essentially ran the IRA for the last few decades as part of a strategy of tension internally in the UK, which magically pretty much went away (as did all the supposed left wing terrorists in mainland europe), once they had enough muslims imported to start the islam terror groups internally.

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  tristan
3 years ago

The brits essentially ran the IRA for the last few decades as part of a strategy of tension internally in the UK

Now that’s fascinating – very similar to muh idea of creating the opposition before it has a chance to create itself.

Sometime within the last few years, I was at some website [likely long since banned at this point] wherein the dudes were claiming that the reason the IRA went after Mountbatten so furiously [and ultimately so successfully] was because he was well-known paedophile molester of little Irish boys in the orphanages.

tristan
tristan
Reply to  Not My Usual Pen Name
3 years ago

Seems unlikely given Gerry Adams father’s history and his brother conviction for child abuse and MI6 making sure Gerry was protected from prosecution?

https://theirishobserver.blogspot.com/2013/09/liams-adams-convicted-child-abuse-child.html?view=flipcard

more likely the brits used it as leverage to control the opposition.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  tristan
3 years ago

that’s what i always thought: they could shut this down if they wanted to, in one second. ireland is a chew toy for the brits, nothing more. i wonder if the ira assassination attempt on thatcher, in brighton, wasn’t planned and financed by someone within the british government. my favorite example of IRA martial prowess is when a SAS team went into Gibraltar and capped a handful of the potato heads, all at the same time. someone must of needed a lesson that day. but my all time favorite is when the british govt let bobby sands and his band… Read more »

Astralturf
Astralturf
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

Their best hope is to live long enough that Musk or Kurzweil figure out how to upload consciousness onto a PlayStation. They really believe this while calling religious people delusional.

I think some of the more esoteric elites, such as the Rothchilds, believe they reincarnate back into their dynasty. Who knows, maybe they are able to pull this off.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Astralturf
3 years ago

They look pretty inbred, so if not it’s not for lack of effort!

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Paintersforms
3 years ago

good one :). “lack of effort”

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

Funny, I was thinking about this very issue last night, almost exactly. I started out by thinking of my most COVID panicked old boomer relatives. The kind who cancelled Thanksgiving. What did they have in common? This is their heaven. The kitchens with marble countertops, etc. They worked hard in the 80’s and 90’s to get to this material Nirvana and really don’t care to think that this is all very temporary. The covidian people my age and younger are even more pathetic. They still have great health. But even the thought of being crippled or erased from existence by… Read more »

B125
B125
Reply to  JR Wirth
3 years ago

Yup. Some boomer relatives have informed everyone that no unvaxxed person is allowed in their house, even close family.

Nevermind that they are ill, their quality of life is dogshit, and they’re probably going to die in the next 5 years anyways. Extending their existence by X months takes precedence over family. Problem is that the void is still there and they’re going over the cliff alone, without God.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

And all of this over a bug that really ain’t jackshit unless you truly do already have one gunboat in the sepulcher.

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  JR Wirth
3 years ago

Compare this to the Taliban, where life is cheap. Very cheap. Hell, you don’t even need to pay a half a million in tuition… Being able to just strap on an AR and meander down the street…

We Dirt People gonna dirt.

Astralturf
Astralturf
3 years ago

This should be an inspiration to all people opposed to Globohomo but the situation here is very different than over there. They didn’t have half their population replaced with foreigners and our remaining half might as well be foreign because they act like they’re from outer space.

B125
B125
Reply to  Astralturf
3 years ago

That’s the thing. Afghanistan was still full of Afghanis 20 years later. Governments came and went, but the people, and therefore the nation, were still there. Japan will still be full of Japanese in 20 years. The population might be declining, but realistically, at some point, global events will cause an increase in birth rates again. Breakdown in global supply chains as high IQ populations become dwarfed by low IQ, ones causing poverty and isolationism, for instance. Yet Japan will still exist, with a lower population. Our nations won’t exist anymore. Our people might, in diluted numbers. But nobody really… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

Enoch Powell gave it a shot years ago. I still think his predictions will be on the money. Also, a lot of splintering and separation. A lot of new borders.

3 Pipe Problem
3 Pipe Problem
Reply to  JR Wirth
3 years ago

All prophets are without honor on their native soil. St. Enoch was no exception!

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  JR Wirth
3 years ago

Enoch Powell gave it a shot years ago. I still think his predictions will be on the money.

Also Jean Raspail.

Note that both Powell & Raspail had OUTSTANDING physiognomy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enoch_Powell

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Raspail

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
3 years ago

They will probably retreat further into the COVID panic as the current outlet for their mania. These are people who, at their core, have unsettled minds. There’s no calmness. It’s all very Jacobin. Who knows, another panic could sweep the land soon as the broken mental cases project their pettiness and dysfunction. In the meantime the Republicans will wring their hands over the lost eduction opportunities for Afghani girls and blame Biden. Those Afghani girls were all Marjorie Taylor Greenes in training. Afghanistan was about to get its first CrossFit, were these young girls could adopt every aspect of “I… Read more »

B125
B125
Reply to  JR Wirth
3 years ago

It’s a tragedy. These young women will never get the chance to twerk, get blackout drunk and wake up next to an African from the club, or make an onlyfans account.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  JR Wirth
3 years ago

Read “Women who joined the Afghan National Army amid a western backed campaign now fear the Taliban will kill or rape them for being soldiers” – By Lalage Snow in The Telegraph

Tells the story of a female officer cadet in the (now former) Afghan National Army in 2011.

Her quotes read like US WIERD Karen SJW.

That the US would do this is beyond foolish…it’s PURE EVIL.

(she should look on the bright side: the Taliban will probably do both! Only question is which comes first)

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  ProZNoV
3 years ago

Chieftan gets her while she’s still alive and squirming

Lessers get her while she’s still warm

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Falcone
3 years ago

For shame. She hoped to come here and have some Afghan boys, who would grow up to become Afghan men.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

Heck, she qualified for a good job with the TSA!

mmack
mmack
3 years ago

“That really is the telling feature of the twenty year occupation. The rules in place over there were the exact opposite of the rules in place over here. There was no systematic statue toppling, no mass media campaigns against Afghan culture and no chanting about diversity being a strength. One could be forgiven for thinking that the people in charge of the American empire have more respect for Afghan culture and Afghan people than they have for the American people and their culture.” Well when the culture you capture has no problem killing you, you tend to give them their… Read more »

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  mmack
3 years ago

Yes. Yes. Yes.

It is indeed funny the leeway Smith will extend to Jones when Smith realizes that Jones would shoot him dead in an instant if crossed…

I wonder what the devil the lesson could be. It is certainly not that violence is an answer to many things… no sir, certainly not that. An horrific thought.

Stranger in a Strange Land
Stranger in a Strange Land
3 years ago

“One could be forgiven for thinking that the people in charge of the American empire have more respect for Afghan culture and Afghan people than they have for the American people and their culture”.

I grant you one could be forgiven for thinking that, but, I have zero forgiveness for the morons actually in charge of the entirely of this epic debacle.

Barnard
Barnard
3 years ago

The Biden Covid promises were slightly different, he said if we would good all spring and followed all their rules, they would let us have small gatherings outdoors in our own yards for the 4th of July. Eventually someone told him that most people did that and more last 4th of July and that the overwhelming majority of Americans were going back to normal regardless of what he said. This talking point just vanished one day without explanation and none of the approved media members ever asked about it. They now are insanely floating ideas like a ban on interstate… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Barnard
3 years ago

Barnard: Do you truly believe they would forego roadblocks? The badge gang will love them, although I don’t think they’ll have sufficient forces to block all minor roads when they get started. I initially doubted a friend who’s been predicting for some time that they would restrict interstate travel, and have apologized to her. I gave up flying long ago (9/11 panics and TSA goons) and masks, aggressive non-White pilot and air traffic hiring, and the cattle-call passengers have merely confirmed my wisdom in so doing. Once we leave Texas for good, I would welcome a ban on interstate travel… Read more »

KGB
KGB
Reply to  3g4me
3 years ago

The “border checkpoints” that dot our southern states, many miles inland from the actual border, are proof that they have no problem stopping you and asking for your papers. And SCOTUS has already ruled that they’re perfectly legal. Yes, there will be innumerable back roads with which to avoid such checkpoints, but the precedent will have been set. The cloud people will have once again flexed their muscles, and to their great satisfaction you and your friends will be inconvenienced.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  KGB
3 years ago

Since Buttplug is head of the DOT, and I’m in a DOT regulated industry, I see a bright future as an interstate coyote.

Walltents? The CDC website is planning them even now. Sanitary facilities, oddly, will be lacking, so I might go for latrine concierge.

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  3g4me
3 years ago

They would gladly do it, but they don’t have enough manpower to keep border checkpoints in operation at every state border across the country. Most Republican Governors would not assist or comply with them either. The disruption to traffic flow and movement of goods would also make it unworkable. Even in small states like Delaware, there are way to many state and county roads crossing the border to make this a feasible policy.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Barnard
3 years ago

Cameras everywhere

License plate is checked against your vaccination status

Letter in the mail fining you $500 for first offense

etc etc

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Falcone
3 years ago

That still isn’t possible with a camera system, even in small states they have a couple of dozen roads going in and out of the state. If they have your vaccine status on file they could try to cut off credit cards for out of state transactions, that would be easier, but would require coordination with incompetent big banks. There would be all kinds of errors for remote orders set for delivery, people ordering flowers for family in another state, etc. These are the kinds of things that would quickly turn into annoyances for the ruling class. They won’t be… Read more »

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Falcone
3 years ago

Don’t be so 20th C. They don’t need the license plate. If you take your phone they can track you real time. It’s simple to generate a flag every time you go further than the prescribed distance from your house.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Falcone
3 years ago

Federal Interstate System.

We had an economic freeze in 2009, remember?

In 1992, they had a trial run on checkpoints- dogs, sheriffs with shotguns, soldiers with AKs, searches, all of it- they would pick you out of line, hand you a cup, and say, “go to that van over there and give us a sample.” I participated routinely.

Conservatives cheered the freedom, of course.

tristan
tristan
Reply to  Barnard
3 years ago

Why do you think they are mandating all the vehicle changes, which all have monitoring built in?

They plan a lot longer term. In 10 years (if the country is still around) the majority will be tracked 24/7 by their own cars and will happy to conform.
The odd ones out will be picked up with spot checks, insurance mandates etc.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  3g4me
3 years ago

Why I am getting an off-road vehicle

I will just scoot around the roads in the desert or fields and make my way where I need to go

3 Pipe Problem
3 Pipe Problem
Reply to  Falcone
3 years ago

Way back when, [at least 30 years ago] there was a company making screens for license plates rendering them illegible to the radar speed cams. Betting they still exist, and one helluva lot cheaper than a new off-road vehicle, lol

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  3 Pipe Problem
3 years ago

But then I don’t get to have an off-road vehicle

If you ever tell my wife about these license plate screener things, I will consider you a traitor !

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  3 Pipe Problem
3 years ago

My suspicion is that these obscuring devices are now illegal in all States. I know they did that here shortly after red light cameras became common.

mr mittens
mr mittens
Reply to  Barnard
3 years ago

on a lighter note, an article on zh was full of vitriolic comments from flyers who couldn’t make their connections or who got their flights on American Air cancelled because of lack of staff, but apparently the “missed connections” anger was totally lost on them—

Wkathman
Wkathman
3 years ago

Consider the following possibility: Globalism now supersedes Americanism. In other words, while America’s humiliating defeat in Afghanistan was likely not the original intention at the outset of the war, it has become the current aim of the New Planetary Technocratic Order. The purpose is to expose America’s empire as being on fumes and thereby fuse it into that New Order. Recall Point 3 of Agenda 2030: “US dominance is over. We have a handful of global powers.” And those global powers will assume the authority to dictate circumstances and outcomes for every inhabitant on this planet from this time forward.… Read more »

Reynard
Reynard
Member
Reply to  Wkathman
3 years ago

You bring up an interesting point. By the end of WW2 the West still operated under the old British “Balance of Power” foreign policy– the USA became the major Hegemon with England as its right hand. The creation of the UN may have progressed us a bit toward a “globalized” order, but really, America was carrying the biggest stick by far, and the UN was its lapdog. Now it seems like we may be witnessing the true end of US hegemonic power, and with it single hegemons in general. The world is really becoming organized via blocs or unions, not… Read more »

Wkathman
Wkathman
Reply to  Reynard
3 years ago

You don’t really trust the elites of England, USA and Australia to look out for the interests of regular people, do you? England and Australia are rapidly devolving into police states — and USA is much closer behind their lead than so many realize. The “Anglosphere” will be yet another global front for oppressing us in truly draconian fashion.

Reynard
Reynard
Member
Reply to  Wkathman
3 years ago

Wkathman, you are right of course. I slipped up in my head, approaching this with an archaic perspective of an “us” and a “we.” But whites aren’t part of the “us/we” in the Anglosphere. Whites are the outsiders of their own nations. It would be same ole same ole under current conditions.

Wkathman
Wkathman
Reply to  Reynard
3 years ago

Whites are definitely outsiders of their own nations. No doubt of that. Here’s a dirty secret: Blacks, Hispanics, and Asians will be crushed as well. They’re simply being manipulated right now to sabotage the one group most likely to fight back against the insidious totalitarian takeover: White men. Once those demographics have served their purpose, they’ll be sacrificed/subdued just as ferociously as Whites.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Reynard
3 years ago

Reynard, you say:

“There has been talk of a new “Anglosphere” alliance of England, USA and Australia.”

Who has said this? Existing politicos? Or is this a call for dissidents across those once spectacular nations to set to work?

If it be something suggested by existing elites, then this will be even worse for us, I’d say. I echo commenter Wkathman’s concerns below.

Reynard
Reynard
Member
Reply to  OrangeFrog
3 years ago

Agreed, I amended my comment.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Reynard
3 years ago

Reynard: Why on earth would you consider some further alliance of the woke West to be a good thing? England and Australia appear even farther gone than America, at least ideologically, although racially they’re not yet past the point of no return. And New Zealand is run by a literal madwoman. America is beyond the point of no return, with Whites at perhaps 55% (I’ve been trying to hammer this home for years, and far too many even on various parts of the ‘right’ complacently accepted the official numbers and included Jews, Arabs, Persians, etc. when counted as White). There… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  3g4me
3 years ago

Correct. The PRC simply wants to wait out the Evil Empire 2. The problem is the psychopaths in D.C. want to go to war with them even in light of this colossal humiliation, which is the Suez Crisis times 1,000. Hunker down among your own in your own enclaves. That has to be the long-term strategy. I am listening to CivNats today, and they are more confused than ever. Some are even waking up. If they pop into your community, never trust them but realize they are your own people. The Empire is collapsing. China may want to do a… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Wkathman
3 years ago

Europe was equally humiliated too

And we know that the NWO has big plans for the EU

And that the NWO has Russia in its crosshairs, but now Russia is strengthened

I am not convinced that this was a big win for globohomo, especially now with an inspired Muslim world where the lesson learned is that hardcore Islam is a winner. Israel can’t be happy with that idea spreading like wildfire

Wkathman
Wkathman
Reply to  Falcone
3 years ago

You raise good points that must be considered. However, given the vaccine tyranny taking place in Israel, is it not possible that they too will be fused into the New Order? Perhaps the global powers are not terribly interested in conquering the Muslim world — not yet anyway. Maybe they’ll eventually nuke the Muslim world. Who knows? I’m just brainstorming here. Whatever the case may be, it seems clears that the American empire is being subverted on behalf of a New Global Agenda.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Wkathman
3 years ago

Israel was just humiliated on two fronts

One, their reputation for technical and scientific prowess is failing in spectacular fashion with the vaccine

Two, their big brother just got its ass handed to it by the Taliban.

Only a matter of time before the Muslims go in for the killing on a weakened enemy

Three, Israel has both lots of gays and lots of tall-enough buildings. The temptation is simply to great.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Wkathman
3 years ago

Aren’t the jabs causing them to drop like flies in Our Greatest Ally?

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
3 years ago

Aren’t the jabs causing them to drop like flies in Our Greatest Ally? This is the only thing I can’t figure out right now. It doesn’t make any sense – why would Israel be forcing the Vaccine of Death upon its entire citizenry? Muh two hypotheses are that either the Israelis know about something which is coming [something we goyim don’t yet know about], or else the Ashkenazim are trying to eradicate the Sephardim & the Mizrahim & the Ethiopians once and for all [with the Ashkenazim either refusing the shot, or else being jabbed with fake shots containing only… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Falcone
3 years ago

Make no mistake. Globohomo lost bigly. It is in permanent retreat now. The problem is dying empires lash out, as the Orthodox Christians learned in the last days of the Ottomans.

tristan
tristan
Reply to  Falcone
3 years ago

Israel runs part of this. They created Hamas

“Hamas, to my great regret, is Israel’s creation,” Avner Cohen”

They fund many of the so-called Syrian rebel groups. Not a single attack from Isis or Al-quieda despite the fact they are present in almost every surrounding arab nation. Seems weitrd no?

As Nabil Na’eem, the former al-Qaeda commander said in an interview “For instance, Issam Hattito, head of Muslim Brotherhood responsible for leading the battles against Bashar Assad, where does he reside? Is he in Beirut? Riyadh or Cairo? He’s residing in Tel Aviv.”

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Wkathman
3 years ago

The problems we have now are really magnified – and in some cases propelled by – a global selection of elites. Elites that have one anothers ear and wish to foist their grand designs on the plebes. Surely, the army of nations will be used to do the whims of this global faction; but I suspect that, as you mention so succinctly “Globalism now supersedes Americanism”. It is no wonder such elites pore scorn on village hicks. So what? The local blacksmith is now out of business, what do I care? No, old son, they don’t care. They never had… Read more »

tristan
tristan
Reply to  OrangeFrog
3 years ago

Now who could a highly mobile, well funded group that is rootless and cosmopolitan, dominant in banking and embedded in each western country, yet antagonistic to each one be?

nunnya bidnez, jr
nunnya bidnez, jr
Reply to  Wkathman
3 years ago

kathman wrote:
“US dominance is over. We [will] have a handful of global powers.”
those new power centers won’t be nation-states,
those global powers will be Amazon, Google, Microsoft, and various other global NGOs.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  nunnya bidnez, jr
3 years ago

Yes, yes, a virtual Hydra.
No HQ. No head of the snake, central stronghold, or separate nation. No single entity, or Entity.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

Goshdam kiddie version has Christians fantasizing about going back in time and offing the baby Antichrist.

The culture, the collective, the tribe is the immortal entity, not some doofus with good hair and a weird name.
The Hive. “Shh! That one over there is Charley.”

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

PS- that’s why “Charley” is against ‘stereotyping’.

tristan
tristan
Reply to  nunnya bidnez, jr
3 years ago

NGOs and companies are not powers.
They are vehicles.

People have agency, people decide things. The people who have names running these things decide things.

This is really annoying, its like people saying, Germany is letting in a million migrants. Germany is doing F all. Its a policy of a few real people that have seized the mechanisms of govt and act against their own nation’s inhabitants.

JohnWayne
JohnWayne
3 years ago

Helicopters came to the rescue in Saigon and again in Kabul. Who will send in helicopters to Washington DC?

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  JohnWayne
3 years ago

I enjoy envisioning their protective fence ringed around with their feral pets, hungry and waiting. Helicopters? Rescue? Perhaps by Mossad . . . and good riddance. Easier when they’re all in one place.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  3g4me
3 years ago

Blocking the road into the airport means no fuel for the planes…or food deliveries by air getting out.

Falcone
Falcone
3 years ago

Will this give muslims the inspiration to go after Israel ? Hot and hard?

That’s the only thing that matters now in American foreign policy. You know the men in small hats have got to be furious with uncle Joe. Last thing they need is an inspired , motivated jihad. If I am correct in this assessment, expect the media criticism of Joe to intensify.

From the perspective of the Taliban, looking like being in the right side of history means being a hardcore Muslim because it wins while the watered down version loses

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Falcone
3 years ago

I look for Iran to do what it needs to do now. A mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv is quite possible. This really became apparent during the height of Covid. The Ruling Class wants no skin in the game and even the credible threat of death will cause them to sit on their hands.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Jack Dobson
3 years ago

Israel has nukes. Iran doesn’t.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Jack Dobson
3 years ago

Hello, Saudi oil fields. Joe just asked for their help, too.

The artist formerly known as Judge Smails
The artist formerly known as Judge Smails
3 years ago

Speaking of replacement. I just returned from Panama City Beach, Florida. I lived and worked in the area from 1980 to 1995 , including three summers at a beach front motel, when it was affectionately known as the Redneck Riviera. The only blacks you saw were a few locals that crossed the bridge from Panama City to work as hotel maids. The majority of the workforce and 100% of the tourists were white. The staff of the Ramada I stayed in and the adjoining restaurant was 100% foreign born black, African and maybe Caribbean. It was hard to tell with… Read more »

B125
B125

That’s how they do it in Canada too. It starts off with a fast food joint, and suddenly there’s 50 Indians in the town. Usually the owner imports his whole village from India/Philippines and also sends the profits back. We also have an eastern / northern immigration pilot program. Basically they send non whites to whiter, more remote areas in the Maritimes and up north. Supposedly for economic revitalization, but it’s pretty clear the actual goal is removing white people. The demoralizing part is that the locals don’t take any action against it. I’ll see white guy lined up at… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

Yup. Hajji explained it to me, they move 3 families into a house or restaurant, then use the profits to buy another house or restaurant or motel or truck, and move in more as they get through immigration. As he said, “we don’t worry about banks or babysitters.” Those 0% US government business development loans sure help, too. I knew 2 lesbian bureaucrats who’s job it was to pass them out as fast as they could get them in the pipeline, the biz version of the Section 8. Oh, and how ’bout all those Patel hotels housing ‘economic asylum refugees’… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

Dang. And I forgot the American/ Chinese corporate meat processors helping Cartel buy up whole towns for their Cartel-supplied workforce.

Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
3 years ago

For your Book of Aphorisms (from Taki post): “The point of democracy is to have someone to blame when the people in charge need a scapegoat.”

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
3 years ago

” That said, men living as they did when Alexander the Great was in Afghanistan fought the mighty U.S. Military to a draw and then drove them from their lands. An inspiration to us all.” Agreed. This is a positive development in that the Empire’s rot is now obvious even to the most clueless CivNat. And TPTB didn’t try to change the culture because they always knew the war would end badly and didn’t want to do anything to interrupt the grift. Twenty years was a good revenue stream. That money may be able to be clawed back from the… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Jack Dobson
3 years ago

Dobson: “Finally, this conceivably could lead to a military coup. Given the current state of the Empire’s janissaries, that might not be a good thing. It would depend on who led it.”

Heaven forfend.

manc
manc
Reply to  Jack Dobson
3 years ago

Joe Kerensky?!

Damn, that’s brilliant. Well done.

nailheadtom
nailheadtom
3 years ago

Did anyone ever actually think that this fiasco would end in any other way?

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  nailheadtom
3 years ago

In the early 2000s, I really believed that we were going to go to Afghanistan and Iraq, kill their leaders and break their stuff, tell them, “If you do this again, we’ll return and our wrath will be twice as bad,” and then leave.

I was wrong because I didn’t see all the reasons that the uniparty wanted to occupy those lands. I learned.

WJ0216
WJ0216
Reply to  LineInTheSand
3 years ago

There was no “again” for Iraq. They had nothing to do with 9/11. Cheney put out some fabrication about Atta meeting some Iraqi in Prague but that was a total hoax. The Iraq attack was the equivalent of post post Pearl Harbor , the USA choosing to attack Argentina.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  WJ0216
3 years ago

That’s not entirely fair. To keep this post from being 50 pages long I’ll skip Gulf War I and compress this mightily, but the bone of contention was that U.S. forces were arrayed against Iraq as an enforcement mechanism for international sanctions (sanctions that, as it turned out, Saddam was bribing the planet to get around). Anyway, the big vote to renew, or dispense with, the sanctions was coming up and the U.S./neo-con crowd made hay over the fact that Saddam had failed to comply with verifying the elimination of his WMDs and their development programs (and as this turned… Read more »

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  WJ0216
3 years ago

The “meeting in Prague” that never happened was “witnessed” by Israeli intelligence, planted with Wolfowitz and Feith in the Office of Special Plans and then disseminated to eager media operatives like Scooter Libby’s gf Judith Miller. LOL. Of course nothing beats Colin Powell testifying before Congress with the cartoons of the non-existent “high-tech caves of Tora Bora.)

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  RoBG
3 years ago

Agree. Even the dipshits who believe Bin Laden did 9/11 should admit that according to their fairy tale they should have bombed Jeb Bush’s Florida. That’s where the “hijackers” did all their plotting and planning and training (and drugging and whoring).
It beggars belief that people still buy this shit.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  nailheadtom
3 years ago

Z mentioned on Sunday what was kinda sorta surprising was that they had no clue it was going to happen like this. They probably figured the puppet government forces would keep the Taliban occupied until the winter at which time everything would pause. So they probably figured, without reason it turns out, that they wouldn’t be facing the current situation until this time next year. Oops.