The Benjamin Button Times

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In The Inequality of Man, the great evolutionary biologist J. B. S. Haldane noted that fanaticism was one of the great inventions of the pre-modern world. Obsessive enthusiasm, especially for an unattainable thing like paradise, makes the fanatic a violent force of nature. We see that with the current Afghan debacle. The open borders fanatics have immediately seized on the crisis to justify importing millions of Afghans into your neighborhood. They never miss a beat.

Similarly, the same people responsible for losing yet another war for the empire are now using the Afghan mess to demand money for their China project. The logic here is that the willingness to abandon Afghanistan, as if it was the crown jewel of the empire, means China will think the US will abandon Taiwan. They may make a play for reclaiming the island nation as a result. The remedy is to give the brain trust of the military industrial complex more money for more new stuff.

The “heads we win, tails you lose” psychology of the military industrial complex is one of those signs of rot that does not get enough attention. The truth is, Afghanistan fell victim to the same disease that afflicts everything else. It quickly became a racket for rich people to skim money from Americans. Billions went to NGO’s and civilian contractors, who then used some portion of it to reward their favorite politicians back in Washington for their support of Afghanistan.

Putting that aside, how realistic is it that China will look at this as their chance to make a move on Taiwan? The answer depends upon your view of China, rather than what is happening with the empire. The old Sinophiles still see the healthy young dragon of their youth, so they assume she will make her play sooner rather than later, because she is not getting any younger. The new Sino-skeptics see an aging dragon that has a pot-belly and smokes too much to fight anyone.

In both cases, China’s demographics are important. China’s one child policy and her sudden fertility collapse is creating a demographic disaster. The Sinophiles think this means she has to move now before it is too late, and the Sino-skeptics think it is already too late. The typical Chinese person right now is a 39-year-old man. He most likely lives in a city which means he is enjoying city life. The collapse of Chinese fertility means China is the fastest aging population in history.

You can see why the Sinophiles think China has to move now if she ever plans to move on Taiwan, but you also see why that may be impossible. That bottomless pit of young males that make good fighters is quickly drying up. Compounding it is the fact that China now has a very restless middle-class. So much so that the party is now plotting to give the billionaires a haircut in order to redistribute wealth. This is a move to shore up popular support with the middle-aged, middle class.

The worst possible thing the party could do for this demographic is launch of pointless war of choice to seize Taiwan. This would mean diverting resources from that middle-class to the war effort. It would also lead to an economic collapse, as China needs access to the Pacific to trade with the world. They also depend on the dollar and access to US markets. There is popular support for retaking Taiwan, but middle-aged support tends to be a mile wide and inch deep.

This is why the West has gone along with the kooky schemes of the radicals in charge of the institutions. Protesting the government is a young man’s game and the West is short of young men. When you are 25 with nothing to lose, you will bet your life in a better future. When you are 45 with everything to lose, you will risk very little. The is the situation in China. It is increasingly a land full of middle-aged people who don’t want to lose what they struggled so hard to acquire.

Of course, there is the military reality. Even though the US military is run by lunatics and goofballs, the war-making disparity is massive. China, for example, has two aircraft carriers that require air support from land to operate. The US has nuclear powered carriers that can attack from beyond China’s reach. Then there is the massive submarine fleet that can reach out and touch every point in China. An attack on Taiwan would be a disaster for the Chinese military.

When you start looking at the reality of current China, rather than the romantic image of 1990’s China, there is a good case that she is in decline. She went from medieval to modern in a couple of generations, which was impressive. This is why so many still see her as a marvel of central planning. The thing is though, that speed of progress is now quickly taking her past her peak deep into the modern disease. China has a bad case of “Benjamin Button” syndrome and there is no known cure for it.

That does not rule out war in the Pacific. One lesson from Afghanistan is that the military industrial complex is a massive money laundering operation. It needs low-grade wars to keep it going. In fact, the political system needs it as well. Now that the crusades against Islam have run out of steam, the war machine needs a new racket to launder the trillions. That most likely means a cold war with China that requires trillions in new toys and new experts to “keep American safe.”


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Steve in PA
Steve in PA
3 years ago

I personally favor the predictions outlined in the books of Daniel and Revelation. As the chaos predicted by Jesus in Matthew 24 unfolds and the peoples of the West descend into the state described by Paul in 2 Timothy, a strong man who can restore order will be propelled into prominence, also as predicted in 2 Thessalonians. His attempt to erect a globalist scheme will, however, be opposed by the forces in the East that have their own ideas of what’s best, and the resulting conflagration will consume much of what as the world as we knew it. Of course,… Read more »

Joshua Shalet
Joshua Shalet
3 years ago

Will a recording be available? I’m in a different timezone and I do not use technology on Saturday

trackback
3 years ago

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Panzernutter
Panzernutter
3 years ago

Today on normie AM radio in LA, they mentioned that the LA times did a hit piece on Larry Elder. He’s one of the clowns running to recall the head clown in the governor’s mansion. He’s black.The times called him a white supremacists ( elder), and that he shared some common ideas with Jared Taylor in the past. I don’t care, and won’t be voting. I think hannity is throwing Bruce Jenner some love though.

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
3 years ago

We can’t protect anyone, not even ourselves. We’re bankrupt morally and monetarily. All that money for defense, our borders are being overrun, our ‘leaders” are forcing death shots on their own people. Rome. 2.0, here we are. Fuck the Taiwanese, we’re ruled by traitors, who want most of us dead.

JohnWayne
JohnWayne
Reply to  Dennis Roe
3 years ago

“we’re ruled by traitors, who want most of us dead.” Exactly so. This may sound trite, a throw away line, but once this fact is understood, all else begins to make sense. Why are we intentionally wrecking our economy, with our national debt approaches $30 trillion? Why is it we don’t make anything anymore and depend on China for everything? Why do we lose so many wars? Why did we self-abase ourselves in Afghan, and show the Cuban, Hong Kong, and Iranian freedom fighters that we are not to be trusted, Russia and China that we are not to be… Read more »

cg2
cg2
3 years ago

so when’s the peace dividend

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
3 years ago

Zma, you make a good case for the leper with the most fingers-

But, it only portrays the magnitude of the betrayal against us.

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
3 years ago

karl mchungus—

It is obvious you are on a drunken tear and have gone full retard because of it. You are sh-tting up this board right now worse than any Pajeet streetsh-tter does in his home country. Stop posting! Go pass out. You get less & less coherent and you are basically spamming at this point.

Here to help… ❤❤

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Apex Predator
3 years ago

tell your mom the Kegels are working.

dad29
3 years ago

A not-well-known factoid: “Hollywood Money” owns a company which manufactures and installs the interiors of Humvees for Oshkosh Truck. That money-interest took over the (Milwaukee-based) company about 20 years ago and has done rather well in every single year following.

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  dad29
3 years ago

Carl Icahn had his foot in the door with Harvester, but suddenly now Volkswagen owns them outright [as of July 1st]. Just like Mercedes owns Freightliner & Detroit Diesel, and Volvo owns Mack. Apparently Allison is owned by the Carlyle Group & Onex Corp. With the EPA having chased CAT off the highways [and back into the cornfields], about the only remaining Amerikkkan big truck manufacturers are Cummins, PACCAR, and Eaton-Fuller [plus a few other stragglers, like Rockwell]. Ford is in kinduva strange place right now, selling only small & mid-sized trucks. It will be interesting to see whether they… Read more »

rcocean
rcocean
3 years ago

How many people understand that Taiwan was part of China for hundred of years from 1661 to 1949. The only exception was 1895-1945 when the Japanese took it from China. Nobody in the USA thought twice about giving China Taiwan back after WW2.

Now, I’m supposed to get all upset if Taiwan goes back to being controlled by China. Why? Is it because of Communism? If that’s it, why does everyone in the USA act like China is NOT communist? Why all the hate toward Putin, and almost none toward a Commie dicatorship?

Hi -Ya!
Hi -Ya!
Reply to  rcocean
3 years ago

I just had a client tell me that he lived on the 2nd largest Chinese island. Guess which island he said was the first biggest Chinese island! This is just a middle class Chinaman.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Hi -Ya!
3 years ago

It’s well ingrained in the average Chinese mind. Twenty years ago, I was in Chengdu and had a young teen boy come up to me with the intent of practicing his English. I thwarted him by answering all his questions in Chinese. He asked me where I’d learned the language and I said “Taiwan”. Without skipping a beat he said, “Taiwan is a part of China. Everyone knows this.” I hadn’t said anything about the island’s sovereignty, but that was the first thing that came to his mind. Beijing hasn’t controlled Taiwan for 125 years. What if Spain hammered on… Read more »

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
3 years ago

zman, who paid for your private school?

was there corporal punishment?

i went to a private school too. misjudged the line one day and got sent to the principal’s office. grabbed my ankles, and waited. heard it just before it arrived; cricket bat with holes drilled in it. lifted me off my feet. second swat lifted me off my feet, too. second grade was different back then.

B125
B125
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

Somebody get rid of this guy shitting up the comment thread

Although this one was funny: “if china is so great, how did tiny japan fukk nanjing up the monkey chute? japs know what a chinaman is worth…one dirty bayonet.”

cg2
cg2
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

i got 21 swats in I think 4th grade but they weren’t too hard, public school. plus the ones at home when they found out.

The Kaigat Of Wands
The Kaigat Of Wands
3 years ago

I rather think we’ve been at war with China for the last 40 years or so, it’s just not and probably will never be an armed conflict. Afghanistan is thought to possess extensive Lithium reserves, perhaps Xi suggested to Biden that he might like to leave … now ….. before all the dirt on him and Hunter was released in a way that even our media couldn’t ignore. Of course Trump had already committed to our departure but Xi could well have been concerned that Biden was going to be talked into staying by the usual suspects (insert your favourite… Read more »

Drew
Drew
Reply to  The Kaigat Of Wands
3 years ago

If you think of China as a client state, brought into our orbit by Henry Kissinger, the nature of our rivalry with China will make more sense.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  The Kaigat Of Wands
3 years ago

A Cold War, in which we gave them much more than wheat. Hmm…the self licking ice cream cone, an underexplored form of economics.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
3 years ago

Zman, if I say the name “Justine Bateman”, what is the first thing that comes to mind? 😛

Stevie vs Cheryl, in a Babe-off

Stevie ’76:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgmRb3MlpHQ&ab_channel=WestLAGuy

cheryl ’95:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLYGsNrbBTM&ab_channel=ClaudioFuentesBass

after the alliance, ’02:
https://youtu.be/uyvKggXxSKU?t=268

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

You OK there, big guy?

Stevie was a great beauty and outsider artist who needed great musicians’ (men’s) help to make her primitively inspired music listenable to normal people, and Sheryl was a manly no-talent groupie playing professional musicians’ (men’s) songs. Together they suck, because they’re only themselves.

[throws $5 bill in your upturned bum hat]

La-Z-Man
La-Z-Man
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

From fairest creatures we desire increase,
That thereby beauty’s rose might never die…

Alas, the stunning and brilliant Stevie Knicks aborted her baby with Don Henley to save her career, as she put it.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
3 years ago

there is something that makes me smile, when i think of all the little pussies that mewl on this site. something i know and they don’t. something that is going to make their sphincters spasm uncontrollably. y’all are going to be drafted, soon. y’all are going to be killed in action by the china whose balls you slavishly lick. and good riddance to bad trash, fukk wads, a southern man don’t need you around anyhow…better run through the jungle. P.S. the guys in your unit who aren’t china dolls, are going to see all your nice sentiments, and make sure… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

The bats are certainly in the belfry tonight.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 years ago

keep laughing, monkey boy.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

you are other.

filler for comment checker

Valley Lurker
Valley Lurker
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 years ago

Lives in California, LARPs as a “Southern Man” internet tough guy, what do you expect.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

I doubt the country could organize a draft

Hi - Ya!
Hi - Ya!
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

I remember my first beer to, buddy!

Whiskey
Whiskey
3 years ago

I think also you are not taking into account the number one priority of Xi — survival at the top. Its a brutal game in China — unlike other rulers he cannot just retire under collective leadership. That attempt of Bo Xilai to become Mini-Mao scared everyone. And economically, his best bet is to strike now while senile Bane is at the helm of the US. His export machine is dropping. Green energy requirements in the West will make marine diesel fuel too expensive for trans pacific trade let alone to Europe. His labor advantage is dropping as you noted,… Read more »

Ryan
Ryan
Reply to  Whiskey
3 years ago

I think this misses a big issue. Taiwan is ridiculously well defended. A Chinese invasion force would be under constant fire from the moment they set sail, 100 miles of open ocean where they are literal sitting ducks. Then they’d have to land on one of about three beaches that can actually be used as beachheads for an invasion. The Taiwanese army knows this, so they have about a million guns behind 20 feet of hardened concrete pointed at each of them. Chinese soldiers trying to storm those beaches would find themselves in the opening seen of Saving Private Ryan,… Read more »

Whiskey
Whiskey
3 years ago

I think you are missing many key points here Z-Man. 1. The US Navy is a joke. They can’t even keep bipolar sailors from totally destroying a ship at dock during refurbishment. Good on diversity, bad on warfighting. 2. Xi is the absolute ruler, a big change from the past, and he and his family were purged during the Cultural Revolution, a revolt of Mao and the peasants against the Party bureaucracy. Similar to the Taipeng Rebellion, Boxer Rebellion, etc. He must keep the people/masses onside, and he’s taken many steps to crush business oligarchs as threats. He faces internal… Read more »

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Whiskey
3 years ago

ok, then what navy is better than the US navy?

acetone
Member
Reply to  Whiskey
3 years ago

Just like Afghanistan, its up to the people of Taiwan to figure out what they want to do. As Afghanistan shows, outside powers can’t overcome the will of the people if they make a decisive choice one way or another. Recent polling shows that a majority of Taiwanese (54%) want independence from China (see link). Polling has moved in the direction of Taiwan seeking independence following China’s crackdown on Hong Kong. As time passes it is increasingly likely that Taiwan achieves independence from China rather than being reunited with China. And many citizens in Hong Kong are interested in moving… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  acetone
3 years ago

Taiwan has a ton of money, just letting them go on a giant spending spree for (non-nuclear) US weapons is actually a lot better than getting into a sunk carriers, busted Three Gorges dam, possible nuclear escalation by either side, conflict w China. If Taiwan really wants independence, great, fine, I wish them the best. But let them show it by building a miltary such that China would almost have to use nukes to beat them (which they won’t against Taiwan if the US is not involved). That seems like the smartest option to me.

acetone
Member
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

Yeah, agree, ultimately Taiwan needs to be able to stand on their own two feet. And the lesson we learned from Afghanistan last week is that they can do it if they want it badly enough!

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
3 years ago

I have a prediction to make. In a few years, just as the regime realizes that it’s about to collapse, you’ll see all of the mouthpieces, Sean Hannity, Rachel Maddow, Neil Cavuto, Anderson Cooper, even Judge Jeanine, writers like Paul Krugman and EJ Dionne, ALL of them on the same news set, pleading with the American people for calm, that “even though we all have our differences, we’re still Americans.” – And it’ll be too…f ing…late…

B125
B125
Reply to  JR Wirth
3 years ago

already started with bill maher

he’s now pleading people to calm down, not support critical race theory, and respect each other.

too late bill. and you were already on the “wrong side of history”, so to speak, and it’s far too late to speak up now. we won’t be forgetting

Horace
Horace
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

These idiots should have learned the correct lesson from the fall of the Soviet Union, when the only major communist country left was China, who could not even feed themselves and whose industry consisted of making cheap knock-offs of obsolete Soviet military equipment. Instead they turned right around and said “Now that those incompetent communists in Russia are no longer giving us a bad look, we’ll make it work in America! THIS TIME, we’ll do it right!”

They will not learn from their current mistakes, either. No coexistence inside the same polity is possible with these creatures.

Disruptor
Disruptor
3 years ago

The Empire is the Finance-Class, the Bankers. They set up shop in a country and mine the vitality of the host people to conquer and mine other localities. . As a host-colony becomes played out, they move. The fun times for the host county is during the expansion phase, currency is loaned into existence, the times are roaring. When the money looses value as the vitality is used up, the Empire has the a final blow out looting. Often a war that is lost be the host; by then, of course the Empire has been rehosted. … Portugal to Spain… Read more »

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Disruptor
3 years ago

It may be that NYC was the end of the line

Falcone
Falcone
3 years ago

If China was meant to rule, the people would be better looking

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Falcone
3 years ago

I dunno. The Mongols weren’t exactly the comeliest of folk…

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 years ago

the two might be related, if you know what i mean :P. read somewhere that 25% of chinese males have GH DNA in them; lots of rapey times back then i guess.

Anonymous White Male
Anonymous White Male
Reply to  Falcone
3 years ago

That explains why America is no longer ruling. Too much ugly has been imported into the gene pool, what with the Immigration Act of 1965, the southern border, and inner city melanin. I think you’ve hit on something! The “Pretty People Law of Ruling Empires”.

Mountain Flower
Mountain Flower
3 years ago

China’s demographics are much better than American demographics. Not only are Chinese younger than Americans on average, they are also much younger when you only compare Han Chinese to Caucasian Americans, the demographic that sustains the United States. American fertility, especially White, is also crashing to unprecedented low levels. Chinese are smarter than Americans by several IQ points as well, and they aren’t limited by diversity mandates. I would happily trade our demographics for theirs. Reports that China is in decline are highly overrated. The future of the world is technological, and China has the population to dominate those markets.… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Mountain Flower
3 years ago

I find no fault with this analysis. I further add that the achilles heel of the Chinese is gambling. “Lucky” numbers. A Chinaman will work 80, 90, 100 hours a week, only to piss it away on a card game. It’s not just cultural, it’s genetic wiring. We need a giant casino on Guam with cheap direct flights to China. That’s how we’ll get our money back.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  JR Wirth
3 years ago

JR Wirth: Yes, Chinese are inveterate gamblers and extremely superstitious regarding ‘auspicious’ numbers or dates.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  JR Wirth
3 years ago

“the achilles heel of the Chinese is gambling”

Hopefully that does not extend to dicey invasions of small islands that could lead to very big wars.

B125
B125
Reply to  Mountain Flower
3 years ago

Why do you say American White fertility is crashing to unprecented low levels? The total fertility rate of American whites is 1.55 children per woman, according to the twitter demographer Birth Gauge. Iran Total Fertility rate – 1.60 Total fertility rate of Asian Americans (including Indians) – 1.37 Total fertility rate of China – 1.30 (and dropping fast) Thailand – 1.25 Total fertility rate of South Korea – 0.84 1.55 is far too low but it’s not unprecedented at all, it’s basically the same level of white TFR in *every* country, from Russia to UK. I don’t really like the… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

We lost 5 million people according to the census

Non whites are the majority of school age children

Not saying it’s all doom and gloom buts it’s not good

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Falcone
3 years ago

Problem is that “catch-up” is measured in *generations*. Took us 3 generations to get to here. Same to get us out. Yeah, it doesn’t look good—especially since the government will/is run by the minorities we wish to continue to outnumber. Can’t see how they’ll let it happen.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Falcone
3 years ago

Possibly the most important and sad fact of all those discussed in this varied thread. “China will do this but then we will do that!” and blah blab blah Chinese nukes are a minor and unlikely worry, America’s becoming Brazil, guys….

acetone
Member
Reply to  Mountain Flower
3 years ago

To quote Tonto, “What do you mean we, white man?”

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Mountain Flower
3 years ago

China’s high IQ is mostly wasted on b.s., like trying to figure out what they’re writing to each other (or even saying, they sub all their stuff since their language is barely comprehensible). Add in the fact that the coastal smart segment has a fertility rate that might be as “good” as South Korea and even the good points look a little bit over-hyped.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Mountain Flower
3 years ago

yeh, cause shit don’t fall down in china. haha short dikked goobers that can’t even make their women happy. the worst thing about chins is how low class they are. even a phd will spit in the lounge sink at work. at least they don’t spit on the floors — inside — anymore. if china is so great, how did tiny japan fukk nanjing up the monkey chute? japs know what a chinaman is worth…one dirty bayonet.

Drew
Drew
Reply to  Mountain Flower
3 years ago

Two points: there are limits to automation and tech, and China does not and currently cannot produce all its own food.

China is basically what happens if someone looked at NYC at the height of it’s industrial heyday and said, “hey, let’s organize an entire country this way!”

Catxman
3 years ago

China, the sleeping dragon, has begun to rouse itself. But she cannot fly yet and may never be able to. The classic China is a country where mandarins learn calligraphy and memorize key passages to the imperial civil service. Like late-medieval Spain, there are more priests than doers. America has always been a country of go-getters, of not waiting around for the government to do everything. China is a country where “the mountains are high and the emperor is far away” and you attempt to fleece what you can. Every now and again someone takes a tumble, but China doesn’t… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Catxman
3 years ago

“China doesn’t have America’s knuckle-down-and-get-er-done know-how.” – Lol, how is 1952? How do I get there?

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  JR Wirth
3 years ago

Yeah, he [she?] seems to have slept through the Frankfurt School’s “War on Boys” of the last 50 or 60 years.

https://www.bing.com/search?q=the+war+against+boys+christina+hoff+sommers+site%3Aamazon.com

To include the Sackler Family Crime Syndicate’s opioid wars.

William Frey, of the Brookings Institute, claims that you can acksually see the mass casualties of the Sackler Family’s opioid wars in the federal demographic numbers:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3984175/posts

Mountain Flower
Mountain Flower
Reply to  Catxman
3 years ago

“China doesn’t have America’s knuckle-down-and-get-er-done know-how” Who in America has that? Whites? We are already declining in both relative and absolute terms. We are also heavily discriminated against, which is why Hollywood can’t make anything new. Do Hispanics have that mentality? Nope. Blacks? Lol. Immigrants? The ones that are any good are mostly Chinese, and that presents obvious security problems. Indian immigrants? Well, I can already anticipate what this forum has to say about that demographic … Ret. General Robert Spalding: Moon Landing Couldn’t Happen in Today’s Deindustrialized America; ‘We’ve Lost It All’ to China https://www.breitbart.com/radio/2019/07/20/ret-general-robert-spalding-moon-landing-couldnt-happen-todays-deindustrialized-america-weve-lost-all-china/ “Chinese manufacturing workers are… Read more »

B125
B125
Reply to  Mountain Flower
3 years ago

Sounds quaint, but the Jewish Hollywood >>>> Black / gay Hollywood of 2021. I was watching some older movies from the 80s, 90s, and even 00s, and they were pretty enjoyable – even though the ((())) influence can be seen.

Modern day Hollywood is literally just unwatchable. Parade of blacks and sexual freaks marching around lecturing me, the viewer about how special they are and why i need to respect them.

Lucius Sulla
Lucius Sulla
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

I sent an email to Zman about this as he likes to do movie reviews.

Check out John Hughes movies from the 80s. Hardly any juice influence from what I can tell. He owned his own production company (Hughes Entertainment).

Movies about white people for white people.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Lucius Sulla
3 years ago

Hughes was great. However, he was pretty tight with Ben Stein.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Lucius Sulla
3 years ago

Shit, read the National Lampoon from the late 70s, the era in which Hughes was on the staff. There was no shortage of diversity-bashing. And as mentioned, his movies were for white people. Example A: “Since I was about 12 I’ve been looking forward to my sweet 16. You know, a big party and a band, with…” “…tons of people. And a big Trans Am in the driveway with a ribbon around it. And some incredibly gorgeous guy that you meet in France. You do it on a cloud without getting pregnant or herpes.” “I don’t need the cloud.” “Just… Read more »

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  Lucius Sulla
3 years ago

He owned his own production company (Hughes Entertainment)

For some reason, John Wayne is usually portrayed in “the media” as having been a troglodyte mouth-breathing idiot.

But for the final three decades of his career, Wayne had his own production company, and directed many of his own movies:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batjac_Productions

I guess the Frankfurt School paints John Wayne as an idiot just like they paint the Polish “Polacks” as idiots [even though the Polish mathematicians deciphered the Enigma Machine].

Every little uppity goy must be nailed back down to earth.

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  Mountain Flower
3 years ago

Chinese han are not American White Caucasians. We have different cultures, iq distributions (clustered han, spread White), different expression of genius genes, different biologically based proclivities on things like honesty and self-direction/initiative, creativity, etc. Then, whites are not monolithic. Look at the New York non-hebrew reproduction and clot shot compliance versus the same group in Dixie: drastically different. Sane, conservative, Christian caucasian whites are at 2+ tfr and 20% covid compliance; yankee bugmen are under 1.0 tfr and 75% compliance. In 50 years, there will be a smaller but much more right-thinking and genetically hygenic group of white caucasians in… Read more »

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Mountain Flower
3 years ago

This has a lot to do with a misallocation of resources from the feminized finance driven economy. People who should be playing a hand in manufacturing and the extraction and refinement of resources in the U.S. are instead getting their MBA so that they can make big bucks moving columns around in Excel.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
3 years ago

just did some checking online, and evidently china *still* cannot build jet engines for fighter planes, on its own. maybe in another 20 years…

Mountain Flower
Mountain Flower
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

China started from a very low point, so obviously some things are going to take time. However, what they do manufacture is quite impressive.

U.S. vs. China in 5G: The Battle Isn’t Even Close

https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-vs-china-in-5g-the-battle-isnt-even-close-11604959200

BTW, the US can’t even manufacture its own medicines.

All Our Drugs to Treat the Coronavirus Depend on Chinese Suppliers

https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/all-our-drugs-to-treat-the-coronavirus-depend-on-chinese-suppliers/

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  Mountain Flower
3 years ago

That isnt the point. Human beings are not fungible, either individually or across genetic gaps such as races. You cannot put 1,000 han, or indians, or slavs, in a room full of typewriters and get Shakespeare. Shakespeare only comes from Shakespeare’s group and lineage. The technology that the han have is all stolen ip, which you can run forward with along the same lines, much as the punjabis can do running out the natural advancements of white technology from the 60’s and 70’s, such as microchip incremental advancements. Chinese can reverse engineer and maybe improve a bmw x5, but they… Read more »

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Mountain Flower
3 years ago

hey Dong, if you can’t build a jet engine, how ya gonna build a rocket engine? make all the excuses you want, but Gina is a big fat old drunk — just like Xi. when you run everything through one man — even a winnie the pooh sized man — you shrink the country down to nothing. and that DM you sent me mocking Chairman Xi was very funny, thanks for that 🙂

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Mountain Flower
3 years ago

at least we have women and food and texas. you aint got shit, micropeen. i’ve seen (American) fetuses that are better hung than chairman xi.

how many of your shitty relatives died in the great fap forward? “not enough”. don’t worry, you’ll get your turn.

krustykurmudgeon
krustykurmudgeon
3 years ago

did anyone hear this story about this doctor in Mobile, AL? I can’t copy/paste from work so google “Jason Valentine Mobile”. This has to be violating some kind of law. Like I feel these are the type of people who need to be defrocked or fired because they are a cancer (no pun intended) on medicine.

Drew
Drew
Reply to  krustykurmudgeon
3 years ago

The subtext of his policy is that he clearly expects to treat vaccinated patients for COVID-19.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  krustykurmudgeon
3 years ago

Nice propaganda.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
3 years ago

As problematic as mass immigration has been, a random selection of Afghans would a substantial step up in average quality compared to a lot of the filth we import, not to mention a substantial and substandard fraction of native-born citizens. Re the “crown jewel” of our empire. That the USA is a (fading) empire is a concept often lost on people, even those who have studied history or merely are well-read. I was never taught this in high school or university. Perhaps it has negative connotations and should not be discussed in polite company, like the Jewish Question, or racial… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
3 years ago

Afghans refugees are Muslims. That is all we need to know about the quality that they bring to our shores. Yeah, they are perhaps not the radical types that pervade the Taliban, but they increase the presence of that vile cult in this Christian nation. Their children will be Muslim, their grand children will be Muslim, and so forth.

Better to open the Central and South American borders than to import Muslims and Blacks to our shores.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Compsci
3 years ago

But think of the various exotic Chickpea recipes they’ll bring. Perhaps a spice we’ve never heard of. Served with hot tea and marked up to $35 a plate. (Thinks every liberal in my area).

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Compsci
3 years ago

There are only two types of Muslims. Radicals and those that quietly support the radicals. When was the last time you heard a Muslim leader speak out against radical Islam? Liberals fall for the “religion of peace” nonsense because US Muslims are a minority and thus seem peaceful. But If Muslims ever became a majority, we would quickly have the Muslim Brotherhood instituting Sharia law.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  DLS
3 years ago

Hmm, reminds me of everyday jews and the ADL…

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  DLS
3 years ago

But If Muslims ever became a majority, we would quickly have the Muslim Brotherhood instituting Sharia law.

And the downside?

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Compsci
3 years ago

The children of immigrants from anywhere are all the same kind of problem, because America’s official ideology tells them they’re better than the people who were here before them. Shockingly! they believe it and perpetuate it.

Even the most conservative immigrant groups take at most two generations to turn solidly against us (except for the orthodox Jews, who have a stable position and understand it). Muslims and East and South Asians were among the most reliable Republican voting blocs just a generation ago. Heard from any of them lately? They hate you psychotically. They’re good students.

Mountain Flower
Mountain Flower
Reply to  Compsci
3 years ago

They’ll be indoctrinated to think they’re victims of “white supremacy” and vote democrat, turning red states like Georgia into blue states where the government tears down our statues* just like the Taliban did in Afghanistan. We’ll come full circle. I guess that’s poetic.

*The black democrat gubernatorial candidate Stacy Abrams threatened to destroy Stone Mountain, a Confederate Memorial, should she win.

https://news.yahoo.com/taliban-destroy-statue-shiite-military-112655497.html

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Compsci
3 years ago

A radical religious cult that f***s boys and mutilates women?

Oh. Sorry. Wrong country.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Compsci
3 years ago

Yeah, they are perhaps not the radical types that pervade the Taliban Oh, they probably are. The main difference between Taliban and the rest of Afghanistan is ethnic: the Taliban are Pashtuns, the rest are a hodgepodge of tribes. Radical Moslems are the best kind of refugees because they don’t integrate and openly show their disgust for our culture. So when we roll out the cattle wagons, there are very few whites who are going to boohoo over their nice Afghan pool boy, baby sitter or, perish the thought, son-in-law. A salient symbol of immigration into Europe is that none… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Felix Krull
3 years ago

Thanks Felix for extension and improvement to my comment. As to names for children, I find that interesting from a personal experience. My mother was, upon my birth I guess, longing for the “old” country. She gave me an “ethnic” name for the birth certificate. Luckily, since we are Northern European, it has a fairly easy angloization. My father always thought it was BS and never called me by such, nor ever filled out any paperwork with such a “name” on it. I grew up American with no obvious distinction. Even my passport has only my “American” name, as in… Read more »

tristan
tristan
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
3 years ago

You appear to be deluded, or trying to set up a narrative?

Everywhere there is a sizeable Afghan presence in Europe they always develop large criminal gangs (usually drugs, people trafficking and welfare fraud) tied into the tribal warfare mindset and extended clans that give them lots of manpower on the street.

They just recreate Afghanistan in a high trust host culture. Its a disaster for those areas.

If you bothered to search for 2 mins you would have come across the specific page on gang crime in Germany on wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Germany#Afghan_gangs

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
3 years ago

“How many West Coast Cities?”

*energetically raises hand to be called upon* “ooh! OOH! Teacher, I know the answer! Let’s lose ALL of them. Hollywood first.”

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Ben the Layabout
3 years ago

The only people we get are people who couldn’t hack it back home, in this case the doofuses who couldn’t figure out how to keep their goats from wandering off.

Bilejones
Member
3 years ago

Scott Horton had a good interview with a Sinologist on just this topic a couple of days ago.
https://scotthorton.org/interviews/8-13-21-joseph-solis-mullen-china-wont-be-taking-over-the-world/

Could have been the source for this piece but we know the Z-man doesn’t listen to Libertarians.

Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  Bilejones
3 years ago

“Could have been the source for this piece but we know the Z-man doesn’t listen to Libertarians.”

In Z-man’s defense, he really can’t hear the Libertarians over the sound of all of the clown horn honking.

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  Bilejones
3 years ago

I read the blurb to that and well, I am not convinced. It outlines China’s problems as such: economy teetering on the edge, bad debt, bad monetary policy, misallocation of resources, and an unbalanced population pyramid. The USA has all of these problems save the last one, and that’s only because we decided 56 years ago to take the world’s refuse for ourselves. That, however, does not make for a powerful force of empire (in any way – military, economics, politics, etc.), especially when they are taught from day one to hate the country that took them in and the… Read more »

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3 years ago

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Christian
Christian
3 years ago

On the demographic front, Taiwan’s fertility rate is lower than China’s by a pretty good margin. Taiwan will run out of military age males to draft long before China. Also, China is still populated exclusively by Chinese (for the most part) and is run by people that don’t hate themselves.

It’s odd seeing so many people look at Chinese demographics and declare them to be in a crisis. I would trade our demographic issues for theirs in a heart beat.

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  Christian
3 years ago

I agree. OTOH at current fertility rates within 50 years China will have half its current population. That is a serious crisis.

Within 80 or so which is a blip in historical time, again presuming no serious fertility increase, they will have 300 million which is less than the current US and about that of 1799.

Of course the US won’t exists at all so there is that.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Christian
3 years ago

I agree. The world actors are like a pack of fisticuff brawling lepers. He who wins will be the last leper with any fingers left on their hands at the end. Real world winner will be whoever has the least amount of dyscivilizational Africans, Islamics, Jews, and feminists. Chinese leaders are aware of them all.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Christian
3 years ago

because you are ignorant. or stupid. probably both. move the fukk there, no one will miss you here. set up a GoFukkMe page, I’ll donate.

Gunner Q
Reply to  Christian
3 years ago

“China… is run by people that don’t hate themselves.”

You forgot about their One Child policy. And their social credit system is not an expression of either love or ingroup trust.

SwissGuard
SwissGuard
3 years ago

I was wondering how long it would take to put the crisis actors in play:

“US Capitol Police, FBI and ATF investigating suspicious vehicle near Library of Congress”

https://www.foxnews.com/us/washington-capitol-lockdown-evaucation-suspicious-vehicle

I suspect we’ll see a lot more in the coming weeks.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  SwissGuard
3 years ago

There’s at least one false-flag in the offing.

Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  Bilejones
3 years ago

Forget about the Afghanistan debacle.
The FBI found a bomb at the Capitol!

How convenient.

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  Federalist
3 years ago

Any news yet on if it was a conspiracy by
ATF, FBI, or CIA agents yet? Maybe a group effort from DHS and FBI?
Did you hear about the shootout at the terrorist meeting? Yeah, 3 FBI agents got in a fight with 4 ATF agents, instigated by 2 DEA agents.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
3 years ago

There are a couple daunting things the Chinese face with this. First, they haven’t fought an enemy that had the means and will to fight back since their debacle with Vietnam in the early eighties. That’s a lot of time to run a military on nothing but theory, especially when that military’s primary job is native civilian pacification. Secondly is logistics. If Taiwan turned into any sort of quagmire their military would be completely reliant on a supply chain that…well, if you were a Chinese general how much faith would you have in a Chinese supply chain? And that’s before… Read more »

Gespenst
Gespenst
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
3 years ago

“…well, if you were a Chinese general how much faith would you have in a Chinese supply chain?”

I don’t know about Chinese generals, but if you’re an American consumer of just about anything, you’d jolly well better have faith in a Chinese supply chain.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Gespenst
3 years ago

Try ordering stuff off of one of those Facebook ads and see how much luck you have. The only reason it works at scale is because there’s a bunch of White, Taiwanese, Japanese, and/or Korean babysitters shepherding the process. Wartime logistics is a different beast and wartime logistics while being shot at is different still (“ship is going to get sunk anyway, so I may as well make off with some swag before it even leaves”). In the book Band of Brothers the author noted that the allies’ supply chain was so leaky that it was amazing that anything at… Read more »

Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
3 years ago

China’s problem with an invasion of Taiwan is that it has to cross water to get to Taiwan. Considering the US Navy’s nearly invulnerable submarine force along with airpower in the region (even if carriers prove ineffective), it’s hard to see how China’s invasion fleet even manages to land on Taiwan – much less keep it supplied with merchant ships that can be easily sunk.

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  Federalist
3 years ago

it’s hard to see how China’s invasion fleet even manages to land on Taiwan Unless China built, oh, say, several million helicopters, each capable of carrying, say, forty men or a [very] light armored tank [something like a Toyota* Pickup Truck with a Barrett 50-caliber machine gun on it, and several bushels of ammunition]. Does Taiwan have several million anti-aircraft missiles to shoot down several million helicopters? *Toyotas, just like the Taliban uses. Although the Chinese would have to swallow their pride in order to use a Japanese truck as their assault vehicle. But even if the Chinese built their… Read more »

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Not My Usual Pen Name
3 years ago

you are an example of the permanent cognitive damage chronic fapping causes. honestly you could not sound stupider.

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

So tell me, how does Taiwan stop an invasion fleet of one million helicopters?

Does Taiwan have anywhere close to one million anti-aircraft missiles in its inventory?

I’d be surprised if they had even 100,000.

Probably more like 10,000 or even just 5,000.

But if you know otherwise, then do tell.

Again: Quantity has a quality all its own.

Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  Not My Usual Pen Name
3 years ago

I suppose you’re joking.

If not: In the entire world, there is only a small fraction of a million helicopters of any kind. China building “millions” of helicopters capable of carrying 40 troops apiece is utterly ridiculous.

Also, helicopters are easy to shoot down.

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  Federalist
3 years ago

My guess is you’re thinking in terms of the USA Military Industrial Complex, where choppers can get priced anywhere from $50 million to $150 million per: $50M https://aerocorner.com/aircraft/boeing-ah-64d-apache-longbow/ $150M https://tinyurl.com/2shn98rz But now suppose China could produce a reasonably reliable helicopter, with bilateral 50-caliber machine guns, and the ability to carry a pilot, a co-pilot, and four heavily armed airborne infantry, for only, say, $1 million per unit. Then ordering up a million of them would cost only a million times a million dollars, i.e. a trillion dollars. And a trillion dollars is not all that much money when a jewel… Read more »

Crabe-Tambour
Crabe-Tambour
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
3 years ago

It just might be Dieppe x ten, this being the 79th anniversary of that tragic raid by a mostly-Canadian contingent. A real FUBAR from the “planning” stage. Some dark conspiracy theories emerged from that debacle, but that’s for another time.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
3 years ago

to all the people expertly opining on how china can just “wait to take” taiwan, or can “wait for the US to collapse”, you might want to read up on prc demographics. unlike Mick Jagger, time is not on their side (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEj8lUx0gwY&ab_channel=ZackyDog)

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

It’s not on (White) America’s either, even if the details are slightly different 🙁

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
3 years ago

back in the late 70’s, the CIA supposedly conned the soviets into building a pipeline with stolen technology — that turned out to be a booby trap. when the pipeline was built, it exploded, hugely. see here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/At_the_Abyss

just wondering if the same trick was used for the Loral ICBM technology transfer dirty billie signed off on to the chins…

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

No, that was just the Clintons selling us out and grifting…and getting away with it.

tristan
tristan
Reply to  JR Wirth
3 years ago

The thing about the Clinton’s is that the Lewinsky hoax and impeachment was just a set up by the uniparty to distract from the sale of classified technology to China (i.e treason – a real crime). Ken Star, Lewinsky and the whole lot were in on the big joke. How they must have laughed. You see this all the time now (a la Hancock in the UK as the latest one), where the politicians are perfectly happy to have a fake sex scandal set up to distract the TV cycle. It does not impact them in their social circles and… Read more »

Anonymous White Male
Anonymous White Male
3 years ago

I hate to bring this up, but what really is the US nuclear capability? Someone in one of the comments said that China only had X number of warheads while the US had 10X. Two things come to mind. One, the strip mining of the US taxpayer for 80 years now. Focus on a problem, pass legislation to solve the problem, then make the problem a permanent thing for money laundering purposes. Secondly, Fort Knox. Supposedly our “horde” of gold. When has anyone seen it, I mean apart from some politicians that said it looked yummy? My opinion about nukes… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Anonymous White Male
3 years ago

“Your shotgun only has two shells, mine has ten. I win”

Or maybe not.

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  Anonymous White Male
3 years ago

There is a lot of evidence than many maybe most of our nukes don’t work do to neglect .

We don’t have tritium for one.

https://www.defensenews.com/opinion/commentary/2017/03/06/commentary-the-looming-crisis-for-us-tritium-production/

And we are also short on parts with no ability to make them.

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/nation-world/national/national-security/article250187880.html

They should be good for a decade or so, maybe.

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  A.B Prosper
3 years ago

Honestly, if the doomsayers are right and they will replace us, better that the nuclear arsenal deteriorate over time to a nonusable state; South Africa via entropy. We can rebuild them later if needed, and better to not allow them to our enemies during the interegnum.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  Anonymous White Male
3 years ago

Our gold supply was rendered radioactive in 1964 by a joint terrorist action led by an Anglo-Swiss arbitrageur and the Chinese security forces. I’ve linked a video synopsis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MA65V-oLKa8

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Captain Willard
3 years ago

korean security forces. Or was it just Odd Job who was korean?

neal
neal
Member
Reply to  Anonymous White Male
3 years ago

Used to work about thirty stories down in Omaha.
They do not call it nuclear theatre for nothing.

Member
3 years ago

Our military has a ton of problems but it is built to fight a large power like China far better than an insurgent force in an occupation. It is very fashionable to crap on aircraft carriers but they still project power better than anything else on the ocean. Regardless, China isn’t all that interested in fighting us when they are getting rich by selling our own technology back to us while we slowly morph into a third world population. They are going to win without firing a shot.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Arthur Sido
3 years ago

move there before the prices go up. they won’t win shit. just like blacks prey on other blacks, so do the chins. just being in china is a curse. i get that your country did not live up to your very reasonable expectations, but by elevating china, you betray the essential juvenility of your thinking. you literally have immature brains that are practicing in a way that makes you look silly and traitorous in equal measure. you are welcome for this lesson.

Drew
Drew
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

Karl, are you German?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Drew
3 years ago

Is German a secret code word for idiot?

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 years ago

no, that code word is “Ostei”.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Drew
3 years ago

german heritage only. 5th gen Cali

Drew
Drew
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

I figured it had to be that, or that you’re drunk. Either way, you’re on a roll today.

Johnny
3 years ago

Just bought some Havamal Soap Works Zman. Thanks for pointing it out to me. A great product, many of your readers here should use and enjoy.

My Comment
Member
3 years ago

China doesn’t need a war to bring Taiwan back into the fold. They are too practical to start one for reasons that Z outlined. Taiwan is dependent on China. 1. China is its most important trading partner 2. Taiwan’s wages flatlined when China opened up. There is little upward mobility in international corporations in Taiwan. All the top jobs are in China. Consequently most of the ambitious Taiwanese work in China 3. Most of Taiwan’s tourists (people used to travel for fun between places. They were called tourists. I know that sounds crazy) come from China However there is also… Read more »

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  My Comment
3 years ago

i bet taiwan would destroy the prc in a straight up fight. and that does not even begin to speculate on just what weapons might have been sent in to taiwan, in mislabeled containers. yah know what i mean? if the mainland hits taiwan, who can blame taiwan for hitting the prc back? with a nuke. you just don’t know.

and then there are the 30k US troops on Taiwan. wonder what they have in the old weapons pantry.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

“30k US troops on Taiwan.” Who will do what they’ve always done for the lastt three quarters of a Century; Lose.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

30K troops on Taiwan? Where are they hiding? The U.S. hasn’t had troops in Taiwan for 40 years.

acetone
Member
Reply to  My Comment
3 years ago

Taiwan much richer than China on per capita basis (see link): https://countryeconomy.com/countries/compare/china/taiwan?sc=XE34 For this reason, Taiwan will fight to NOT be reunited to China. Why be reunited with a large, powerful and poor neighbor that will strip mine their assets and reduce them back to a backwater? This is what is what China is doing to Hong Kong. The parallels between Hong Kong are Taiwan are strong and obvious and offer lessons to the Taiwanese people. When rich semi-independent Hong Kong was returned to China, Hong Kong not only lost their independence but also their status as “gateway to China”… Read more »

My Comment
Member
Reply to  acetone
3 years ago

Taiwan is still richer but it is also very soy. Most of the wealth in Taiwan is in real estate. Salaries have flatlined since early 90s. Some jobs pay less now than they did then. However being Chinese real estate had gone up 3 to 6x. A lot of young people don’t want to work hard because they know when their parents die, they will be rich. It is a real problem for employers. In 2017 Taiwan ended mandatory conscription. Ask yourself how serious are a people about defending themselves against an overwhelming and real threat if they stop making… Read more »

acetone
Member
Reply to  My Comment
3 years ago

Taiwan, like many East Asian countries, has to respond to an ascending Chinese military. For last 70 years China didn’t have a navy capable of mounting a landing/invasion so Taiwan (and others) were able to be effectively demilitarized for a long time. Now that China is building a capable navy Taiwan has to respond, new weapons, training, people. While there will bumps along the way, as long as the people and leaders of Taiwan want to maintain their independence they should be able to build their defense to do this. Elections and polling around these issues shows “pro-independence” positions are… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
3 years ago

China will take Taiwan, but not before it squeezes every last drop drop from the orange (the U.S.) leaving nothing but pulp. They know that there’s too much money on the table to take Taiwan now, as U.S. trade would be highly jeopardized. While the U.S. market becomes less important to them with each passing year, it’s still the prime customer. They’re pretty much off-shored everything by now. It’s just a waiting game to where even razor thin profit margins in slowly depreciating dollars are no longer in the equation. They’ll wait for our economic implosion, and then stimulate their… Read more »

Vegetius
Vegetius
Reply to  JR Wirth
3 years ago

Yes: the Chinese now have both the watches and the time.

Folks should spend an afternoon reading up on Chinese and Russian hypersonic missile capability, the air-launched models in particular.

The idea that US carrier battlegroups can still credibly project power against these states and their clients is Last War thinking.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Vegetius
3 years ago

Did our carriers really perform that well during WW2? I’m not sure about that. Ever since then we’ve used them against countries that can’t dominate the airspace, so we’ve been lulled into thinking that it’s perfectly normal to have these white elephants on the sea. The minute they’re floating under airspace dominated by the enemy, hypersonic or not, they’ll be at the bottom of the ocean. The Airspace around Taiwan will be, by default, dominated by China. They may even take Guam to teach us a lesson. That’s how weekend we will be.

tristan
tristan
Reply to  JR Wirth
3 years ago

Look at the damage, the low spec Exocets did in the Falklands to the British Navy. That was 40 years ago.

Ships are just big floating target practice when you have decent missiles.

Drew
Drew
Reply to  JR Wirth
3 years ago

I feel.like you’re forgetting the economic aspects of this conflict. Specifically, America exports around 1 million metric tons of pork to China. Shutting down this export during a war would instantly destabilize their country. If China decided to retaliate by banning exports to America, they would find themselves in a position where citizens saw rising food prices and declining wages. While trying to fight a war. That’s a huge problem that would probably do them in.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Drew
3 years ago

There isn’t an angle where this would make any sense, but the same could be said for any number of conflicts. Looks like Taiwan is about the same size as Maryland, so I could see some thinking that they’d have the place overrun and pacified in less than week and well before any of that bad stuff has a chance to materialize. Again it still wouldn’t make any sense (“1) Invade Taiwan 2) ??? 3) Profit!”), but, who knows.

acetone
Member
Reply to  Drew
3 years ago

For all their strengths, the Pork Gap remains the Chinese Achilles Heel.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
3 years ago

I was thinking the regime would turn its focus inward, but then Afghanistan happened. It’s obviously an important moment, I suspect more important than it looks even now.

The loss of prestige precludes going after domestic undesirables. The regime now has to get its mojo back, or it collapses, and that has to be done on the world stage. What are they capable of, though? I agree China isn’t the juggernaut it’s made out to be, but neither is the US.

I think they’re screwed.

Hi -Ya!
Hi -Ya!
3 years ago

The Chinese woman is no different from the US female. They want a materialistic life, like western women. They want to “travel the world”, they tell me whenever I ask (I work with the Chinese all day long for the past 9 months.) One family had 4 children, most have one or two just like the US. And the reasons are the same for conspiring against births: personal freedom.They have told me this They want to work, they want to do yoga and have wine parties with their friends.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Hi -Ya!
3 years ago

this shows up every time women are educated and encouraged to lead independent lives. like the song says, girls just want to have fun. then you see birth rates drop below replacement, ala south korea. china has all the modern pathologies, some of them even more so than here. not a country for nimrods to romance over…

krustykurmudgeon
krustykurmudgeon
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

maybe they should pay women between say 35-41 who don’t have any children to have a kid. I mean at that age it’s now or never and you might as well have one at the risk of staring down 50 years of emptiness.

For those who say that’s too late – that’s not really true. My mom’s mother is from an Irish catholic family and there were a lot of families with 9, 10, 11 kids and usually the last kid was born when the mother was 39/40.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  krustykurmudgeon
3 years ago

everyone knows irish females have two uteruses, so that’s not a fair counter argument.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  krustykurmudgeon
3 years ago

I agree with your sentiment. But this would mostly give Shaniqua one last round of stimulus.

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  krustykurmudgeon
3 years ago

maybe they should pay women between say 35-41 who don’t have any children to have a kid I used to believe that, but there are an helluva lotta women who are completely barren by the age of 35. Realistically speaking, subtract a decade, and 25-31 is the “last-ditch” demographic which you want to be targetting. Unfortunately, moast of our best & brightest young women are finishing up graduate/professional skrewl at that age [25-31], and are carrying many hundreds of thousands of dollars in student loan debt, and can’t possibly imagine taking time out to birth three or four children. Scroll… Read more »

mmack
mmack
Reply to  krustykurmudgeon
3 years ago

krustykurmudgeon, My late mother gave birth to me when she was 43. Of course she had already given birth to my three siblings before I came along. Also note that those families with more than three children, and up to double digits, the mother probably started having children when they were in their teens or very early twenties. I think trying to have baby #1 at 35-40 for a woman is a very long shot. Add in doping up on fertility drugs and stressing over it (consider the joke that many babies are “Oops!” babies, conceived after some fun and… Read more »

krustykurmudgeon
krustykurmudgeon
Reply to  mmack
3 years ago

where’s the evidence that it’s easier to have your fifth at 40 than your first at the same age?

Aristophanes
Member
3 years ago

Who cares if China overtakes Taiwan? I don’t.

jrwirth
jrwirth
Reply to  Aristophanes
3 years ago

And you’re right. Let the Taiwanese fight for their own independence. It would have to be IRA, terroristic, urban combat style, as they won’t have a chance to fend them off.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Aristophanes
3 years ago

Only one reason: they make nearly every computer chip, including military ones.

It would probably take a decade to recapture it domestically, assuming we still have the technical people to do it. We certainly can’t do it cheaper.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  ProZNoV
3 years ago

I think that’s overly pessimistic. We have to send the chip specs to the Chineses factories. They’re just assembly monkeys. Intel and AMD could have factories running pretty quickly. I would gladly pay 30% more for a phone or computer to achieve this.

tristan
tristan
Reply to  DLS
3 years ago

Intel has gone all diversity. Its why they can’t even get their next gen stuff to work in the existing factories.

Setting up a new one from scratch. I doubt they would get past the planning stage.

Asbestos
Asbestos
Reply to  Aristophanes
3 years ago

There’s a Civnat vibe to this article. I can understand trying to focus on some potential conflict to avoid the present humiliation but the idea that Afghanistan is just one more chapter in the history of MIC corruption is interesting. The Afghanistan debacle is part of the new era of Western collapse and not business as usual. Yes, it does share characteristics of previous foreign adventures but the unifrom aggressive incompetence is new.

China has its problems but will survive this century and will be the stronger for it, for the country which just got chased out of Afghanistan…

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Asbestos
3 years ago

China is a nation. And nations last for millennia. “America” is a country, and countries come and go.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Asbestos
3 years ago

Asbestos: “China has its problems but will survive this century an will be the stronger for it, for the country which just got chased out of Afghanistan…” From https://tinkzorg.wordpress.com/2021/08/16/farewell-to-bourgeois-kings/: It is not just that the elite class is incompetent – even kings could be incompetent without undermining belief in monarchy as a system – it is that they are so grossly, spectacularly incompetent that they walk around among us as living rebuttals of meritocracy itself. It is that their application of managerial logic to whatever field they get their grubby mitts on – from homelessness in California to industrial policy… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  3g4me
3 years ago

Excellent comment. While there are other candidates for the date of the beginning of the end of this empire, the most likely one is the utter humiliation in Afghanistan.

For comparison, the British Empire really was toast by the time of the outbreak of the Greek Civil War, and arguably at the end of World War II itself, but many historians still (less so than in the past, but nonetheless) put the date at the time of the Suez Crisis.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Asbestos
3 years ago

The fact that the military doesn’t even grasp the significance of Afghanistan is telling

It’s like a boy left the refrigerator door open overnight. Kind of a problem but not really.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Aristophanes
3 years ago

I will care if China overtakes Taiwan the day I can find Taiwan on an unmarked map.

Jason Knight
Jason Knight
3 years ago

All that might be true, but China would still win because I’m pretty sure they’re still stronger than a few thousand goat herders with AKs and IEDs.

The Taliban was a death-blow to the military arm of the GAE. I think America automatically loses if we try to fight China.

3g4me
3g4me
3 years ago

Not directly related to musings about China/Taiwan: Cannot post the picture of the meme, but the words will suffice for my feelings of late:

America is a corpse being consumed by maggots.
Liberals are rooting for the maggots.
Conservatives are rooting for the corpse.

Reynard
Reynard
Member
Reply to  3g4me
3 years ago

That’s a damn good meme.

Memebro
Memebro
Reply to  3g4me
3 years ago

I’ve been saying for years that the US needs to change the national symbol from the bald eagle to the buzzard.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  3g4me
3 years ago

Great metaphor. To re-work the old joke, after Hemingway’s unfortunate encounter with the shotgun, what happened? The maggots arguing in the mortuary fought it out in dead Ernest.

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  3g4me
3 years ago

Brutal but awesome.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  3g4me
3 years ago

You could substitute The West for America and it works just as well.

MBlanc46
MBlanc46
3 years ago

1) Aircraft carriers are today what battleships were in the 1940s. Fat, floating targets. 2) The war machine needs trillions to keep itself going. Unfortunately, we don’t have any more trillions. And the Chinese won’t lend us any more.

Hoagie
Hoagie
Reply to  MBlanc46
3 years ago

You nailed it on carriers but they can just “create” money. They can create our first quadrillion at the push of a button. The only money actually printed any more is for circulation (so waiters can get untaxed tips) and foreign payoffs so demofascists can pay their foreign supporters.

Fred
Fred
Reply to  MBlanc46
3 years ago

>Unfortunately, we don’t have any more trillions.

Apparently you haven’t noticed the trajectory of American public finance over the past decade or so.

Norham Foul
Norham Foul
3 years ago

Regarding USA surrender in Afghanistan, Lara Logan (who I’ve never watched or listened to but know I will) supported my hunch that this was just the final act in a prewritten script. It was one of several ending options. According to Logan, on Carlson’s Fox nation, US-funded Pakistan has been allowing US support arms, weapons, and Taliban troops unimpeded access back and forth. It was a made-for-as-you-point-out-money laundering operation. I think the rapid surrender is a Woke sub-theme. America is bad and Afghanistan is fortunate not to have even the illusion of the American manifestation of its ideals. Bring on… Read more »

Valchad
Valchad
Reply to  Norham Foul
3 years ago

I saw that Lara Logan bit. She had crazy eyes, I don’t trust her.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Valchad
3 years ago

getting gang raped, on tv, by a crowd of egyptian goat fukkers, will do that to a woman. she could star in a remake of “The Searchers”…

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  Norham Foul
3 years ago

Saw that interview with my wife.She bought the theory completely. I don’t. To me, Logan is making the classic conspiracy theorist mistake of think that there’s one personality directing everything in some 3-D chess fashion that ties all kinds of loose ends together into one giant mega conspiracy. Instead, reality is messy. Dysfunctional regimes, as the US clearly is, are composed of fractious elements fighting each other. Almost always stupidly so. Incompetence is the overriding feature of our deep state. Remember these people couldn’t organize a coup against or assassination of their common enemy Trump. They also couldn’t co-opt him… Read more »

nailheadtom
nailheadtom
3 years ago

From the Chinese Global Times:

In a tweet on Tuesday, US Senator John Cornyn astonishingly said that the US has as many as 30,000 troops stationed on Taiwan island, more than the 28,000 US troops in South Korea. If that is true, the Chinese government and the Chinese people will never accept it. It is believed that China will immediately put the Anti-Secession Law into use, destroy and expel US troops in Taiwan by military means, and at the same time realize reunification by force.

Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
3 years ago

E. Michael Jones is wrong on race. But he’s right on religion. Unless white women become Catholic again, they will not have enough children for whites to survive. Only the Catholic Church, despite the Bergoglian idiocy, insists not just abortion, but contraception are sins. Go to a traditionalist Catholic parish, one with the Traditional Latin Mass, and you will see happy wives with many children.

Gespenst
Gespenst
Reply to  Jack Boniface
3 years ago

“Go to a traditionalist Catholic parish, one with the Traditional Latin Mass, and you will see happy wives with many children.”

Hence Pope Francis’s war on the Latin Mass.

ChetRollins
ChetRollins
Reply to  Gespenst
3 years ago

He was worried about two different Catholicisms forming that were irreconcilable, and he was right. He wants the happy lubby dubby Catholicism that is not a threat to political power and allows you to be a respectable member of the general culture. Think Liz Breunig. The mass exodus is of the faith is, in his opinion, reasonable collateral damage. Within a few generations, he sees the Church as being a glorified NGO. The trads have no qualms regarding mass culture and State power promoting degeneracy, and are willing to fight it. This is risky, as the State could decide to… Read more »

Hi -Ya!
Hi -Ya!
Reply to  ChetRollins
3 years ago

He can’t possibly be a pope

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Jack Boniface
3 years ago

I’m a big EMJ fan overall, but the popery is strong in him. That’s not a dismissal of trad Catholics. They get a heck of a lot right. For instance, he cites the success in St. Louis as a reason to adopt religion and ethnicity as identity instead of race. There are strong arguments to be made for it, and I agree God comes before nation— but not much before imo. Otoh would things have turned out as well if BLM had come looking for a fight with Catholics instead of whites? Beyond that, the Catholic church is in some… Read more »

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Paintersforms
3 years ago

Although I was not raised on the Latin Mass, I was introduced to it in my early 20’s and I was amazed at how much I had been missing in my faith. I have been to Latin Masses where the priests celebrating them were: German, Italian, Irish and Polish. Occasionally we would have a Chinese priest celebrate it as well and during his homily, he would give us updates on how Chinese Catholics were being treated in China. One Sunday we couldn’t make it to the Latin Mass and opted instead for a later service which was populated almost exclusively… Read more »

ChetRollins
ChetRollins
Reply to  Steve
3 years ago

Luckily the Hispanic masses I’ve had to attend seemed fine, but it’s amusing that Catholic Polish and Irish communities were literally destroyed by their Bishops for racism, and they turn a blind eye to this.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Steve
3 years ago

Interesting story. That is probably the exception though. For example, my wife and I were looking for a mass in the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem, and a group of Spaniards from the Canary Islands had reserved one of the chapels for a private mass. They waived us in, and during the sign of peace, they all came around and hugged us, including the priest. Maybe that was more of a Spanish than Hispanic thing. Or maybe just a tourism thing. Anecdotes are very small data points.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  DLS
3 years ago

Spanish and Hispanic are two different things. We Anglos are only a small part of European civilization. Spaniards are our European civilizational cousins.

‘Hispanic’ and ‘latino’ both refer to the culture and civilization of people who are basically Asians with small (often zero) amounts of European admixture. Their ruling classes have higher admixture but are also resented by their masses. Most of them, including their white-facing elites, are deeply hostile to anything European (white), especially the historic American people.

Hi - Ya!
Hi - Ya!
Reply to  Steve
3 years ago

This is why I don’t think V2 was a Catholic Council. The new mass is exclusive, not inclusive. As you say, the latin mass is perfect in that you can’t mess it up. The NO is MEANT to divide.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Jack Boniface
3 years ago

maybe the papaists should fix their gay kiddie diddling problem first.

John Luiten
John Luiten
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

This can’t happen as long as the Catholic position wrt homosexuality remains passive. It should have been denounced strongly and acted against accordingly. The current (non) position is attempting to take walk down the middle of he road so to speak. It never ends well.

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

Gay kiddie diddle, oh how they will fiddle, the priest with the choir boy, the acolyte shocked to see such blight, and Tradition done away with too soon 😀

Not bad for a one-off, if I do say so myself.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

The problem was the coverup. Objective studies have shown that Catholic priests have pedo rates similar to other religions, and less than the general public. Nothing to be proud of, but greatly exaggerated by the media due to the abortion stance. Generally, priests, ministers, rabbis, etc. run at about 5%, whereas the general male population runs at about 7%. Interestingly, male public school teachers are at about 10%, but you never hear about that.

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  DLS
3 years ago

Objective studies have shown that Catholic priests have pedo rates similar to other religions, and less than the general public.

LOL’ed.

Still LOLing.

Gotta stop LOLing so I can start SMDHing.

But still LOLing.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  DLS
3 years ago

That’s not the point, Priest vs Minister vs Rabbi vs teacher percentages of pedophiles. The problem is that almost all charges of pedophilia are of Priests with young male *boys*, not young girls! The Catholic Church is responsible for allowing homosexuals into the priesthood under the (false) assumption that homosexuality not acted upon is not a sin. They were blind—and still are—to the simple fact that there is a proclivity for homosexual men to prey on adolescent (and younger) boys. In there lies the error of the current Pope i.e., to recognized homosexuality as a mental aberration and disease incompatible… Read more »

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Compsci
3 years ago

To Compsci: So your son is abused by a priest and your daughter is abused by a rabbi, and you’re telling me the former is worse than the latter?

Valchad
Valchad
Reply to  Jack Boniface
3 years ago

I have a lot of love for my Catholic brothers and sisters but America is and always will be WASP.
Cue the Mormons and big family evangelicals.

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  Valchad
3 years ago

Mormon Fertility rate is the same as seculars, even in Utah. Unless you are mainly religion or fertility driven, modernity will gut your fertility. You also have to have a community that is unplugged from the secular society as much as possible. Evangelicals of the Quiver Full movement had lots of kids but as many were recent converts they lacked the important social and genetic resistance to modernity and so had weak retention. Its a long term process BTW, it takes generations . Probably the most resistant group in the US is the Amish. They have boiled off most Amish… Read more »

krustykurmudgeon
krustykurmudgeon
Reply to  Jack Boniface
3 years ago

as a lapsed catholic who went to catholic schools – I find a lot of trads to be a part of the same kind of accessory-ism that secular people have. Like there’s a weird kind of cargo cult trad catholic you run into. They’re basically protestantized and live in a nice suburb but have a lot of kids who tend to be bigtime strivers. The only difference is that instead of working for the ACLU, the kids want to work for Alliance Defending Freedom. If you want eight kids that’s your right but I feel for these people there conservative… Read more »

BTP
Member
Reply to  krustykurmudgeon
3 years ago

Your cult is your culture.

Hi -Ya!
Hi -Ya!
Reply to  krustykurmudgeon
3 years ago

THe question that I am always confronted by is is the Catholic Faith true? If it is, then we have to follow it, if its not, then its just another in a list of institutions and debating societies that can be agreed with in some things or not.

Enoch Cade
Enoch Cade
Reply to  Jack Boniface
3 years ago

I belong to an Orthodox parish (Russian). Seems like there are new (young) faces every week.

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  Jack Boniface
3 years ago

Your church’s leader is a homosexual-pedophile-supporting satan worshipper who invites idols of false gods into your inner religious sanctums. Gtfo. No one should join anything with the antichristian, antiwestern word “Catholic” in it. Each nation is to worship God separately, or else you defy His judgment of Babylon and you are therefore heretical and blasphemous. The church universal can only exist beyond this fallen world, or else your church worships something other than Jesus Christ.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Good ol' Rebel
3 years ago

Actually our celebrants, as well as most of our parishioners have nothing but contempt for Bergoglio and his cadre of globalists. I know our family does and we do not refer to him as the “holy father”.

Hi -Ya!
Hi -Ya!
Reply to  Steve
3 years ago

When one loves the pope one does not stop to debate about what he advises or demands, to ask how far the rigorous duty of obedience extends and to mark the limit of this obligation. When one loves the pope, one does not object that he has not spoken clearly enough, as if he were obliged to repeat into the ear of each individual his will, so often clearly expressed, not only viva voce, but also by letters and other public documents; one does not call his orders into doubt on the pretext – easily advanced by whoever does not… Read more »

Eddie Coyle
Eddie Coyle
3 years ago

Let’s pair the Zman prediction of an administration turn to the Chinese for the furtherance of the war armament scheme with the present Afghan crisis. A question raised is why are the DC powers letting this crisis persist and why has it been so publicized?

The laptop from hell proves that Biden is totally beholden to CCP, so his team is not permitted to even consider a Cold War with China. So could the military-industrial complex have created the Afghan situation just to set up a 25th amendment removal specifically so they can turn their racket on China?

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Eddie Coyle
3 years ago

uhm, the laptop proved his ccp dealings didn’t matter. and they didn’t. and still don’t.

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  karl mchungus
3 years ago

uhm, the laptop proved his ccp dealings didn’t matter. and they didn’t. and still don’t.

?????

Care to expound?

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Not My Usual Pen Name
3 years ago

There’s a picture of him having sex with a little Asian girl that pops up every now and then on the Internet and it’s gone nowhere. I would think at this point that he is beyond blackmail.

Not My Usual Pen Name
Not My Usual Pen Name
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
3 years ago

I have to confess that I don’t understand this subthread.

Is y’all’s point that Hunter & Pedo-Joe simply fleeced the Chinese and stabbed them in the back, like the utterly predictable taters which the Biden family truly is?

Meaning, are we talking “Travellers” & “Éirinn go Brách” here?

[Truth be told, Pedo-Joe is such a remorselessly & relentlessly sleazy tater that he’s kinda growing on me, and I rather enjoy his sporadic Alzheimer’s-induced moments of pure unadulterated honesty. We’ll miss that once the Frankfurt School installs Douglas Emhoff as First Lady.]

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
3 years ago

I think many believe that China is stronger than shevis because the Tiannamen Square tank man pic is so strongly imprinted in their brain.

Hun
Hun
3 years ago

China doesn’t have to go to war to capture Taiwan. Chinese, including the Taiwanese, are pragmatic people. Taiwan will come to China by itself, if/when it starts making sense to them and the US will be unable to stop them

Tykebomb
Tykebomb
3 years ago

The best plan I’ve seen for China to take Taiwan does involve nukes. They nuke a carrier group. Its a nice middle ground between full scale nuclear war. Is it really justified to nuke Chinese civilians for the loss of a military carrier? The gamble is no. China is also greatly expanding her Navy and can concentrate more power than America can. Combine this with multiple problems rising across the globe and you can achieve theater numerical superiority. Of course this requires allies, thus China is expanding into central Asia ( all the way to the Balkans) to diversify their… Read more »

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Tykebomb
3 years ago

Its a nice middle ground between full scale nuclear war

Using any form of nuclear weapon at any foreign target is full scale nuclear war. There is no middle ground.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Felix Krull
3 years ago

It is worse. The weapons themselves used to be “strategic” in nature—you blow up my cities, I’ll blow up yours. Hence, mutual annihilation. However, way back in Obama’s first term, a $1T program was started to update our nukes—and that includes developing tactical nukes, such as would be used on the battlefield. This is not new (see: Davy Crockett program of 50’s), but was long ago abandoned with the policy of no first use and mutual assured destruction (MAD).

I you have small nukes, you will be tempted to use them.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Compsci
3 years ago

‘Tactical’ nukes have different roles under different doctrines. One is to offset a disadvantageous conventional balance such as Nato against the Warsaw Pact in the cold war or Pakistan vs India today.

But the other is to use them as a nuclear ‘warning shot’ w/o hitting something, like a city, that will force the enemy to go ape.

Nuclear strategy is a lot like the game of chicken. Psychopaths, nutjobs and ppl who don’t give a…. have an advantage there.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

Tactical nukes may have many roles, but to use them is to signal that nukes are a viable and acceptable weapon and legitimize their use. They are purpose built to be used on the battlefield in yields of less than a 100 or so tons.

A demonstration of using a nuclear weapon does not depend upon its yield. Some current weapons, e.g. W88, dial down to 350kt. That is enough to show off. There really is no need to have tactical nukes—unless you intend to use them on the battlefield.

Federalist
Federalist
Reply to  Tykebomb
3 years ago

China nukes a carrier – and then what?

If China wants Taiwan, it should convince the US that fighting for some tiny island on the other side of the world isn’t worth going to war over. It’s really not that hard of a sell.

Basically, you want to keep the US out of it or at least get the US to give up quickly. Nuking a carrier is going to be Pearl Harbor 2.0. Enraging the US and giving it a reason to fight is the opposite of what China should do.

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Federalist
3 years ago

the lack of any historical education is shocking every time it rears it’s empty head. i guess this internet genius isn’t aware of how much genuine antipathy americans have for china and the chinese people. nuking a carrier group is just the national equivalent of suicide by cop. that’s your Götterdämmerung move, when you are down in the bunker with your dog and a gun.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Federalist
3 years ago

You don’t need to nuke a carrier. In fact it takes very little to make it inoperable. You just need to hit it, once. And that in my opinion is relatively easy for a first world technological nation. The person describing these ships as the equivalent of WWII battleships was probably spot on.

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  Tykebomb
3 years ago

This is the 2nd message thread here with this weird LARP regarding nuclear weapon usage fantasies. This is NOT going to happen. Let me repeat again. NOT going to happen, why the hand-wringing and LARPing? As was stated here- you go down that rabbit hole you may end up with glass cities in short order is problem #1. Problem #2 and far more likely, in a ‘limited’ nuclear exchange where you are stupid enough to use a fission weapon you will be the fucking –pariah– of the globe especially all these pussified pozzed out Western nations who are what? Your… Read more »

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  Apex Predator
3 years ago

these internet experts think the October Crisis of 1962 was a shortage of candy corn…

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Apex Predator
3 years ago

Problem #2 doesn’t matter if someone doesn’t care. However, you can substitute it with the same issue as any WMD: own goal-ing. Not only do they have to have a lot of faith in their delivery system (heaven forbid it does get shot down mid-flight), but even a successful attack could mean toxic fallout on their own country.

JohnWayne
JohnWayne
Reply to  Tykebomb
3 years ago

Would they trade a carrier for the world’s largest hydroelectric dam – Three Gorges?

karl mchungus
karl mchungus
Reply to  JohnWayne
3 years ago

the trouble with nukes, is that they are like Pringles – no one can stop at just one! 😛

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  JohnWayne
3 years ago

“Brezhnev took Afghanistan,
Begin took Beirut,
Galtieri took the Union Jack,
And Maggie, over lunch one day, took a cruiser with all hands,
Apparently to make him give it back.”
— Pink Floyd [commentary on Falklands “War”]

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  JohnWayne
3 years ago

The Chinese if I remember correctly already have a policy of potential nuke reaction should Chinese territory (homeland) be attacked. I assume nuking a dam would constitute such. Off homeland nuking—say of our carrier—I suspect we would think twice about such retaliation.

Firewire7
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Reply to  Compsci
3 years ago

Hmmm…

In the days of President W, I recall explaining theo a friend that half of his foreign policy was based on the Crazy Ivan technique of appearing to be a near madman who was far too dangerous to provoke.

I think Trump could pull that off as a way to keep the Wily China Man from doing something intemperate but Biden …. not so much.

Ostei Kozelskii
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Reply to  JohnWayne
3 years ago

I thought Three Gorges was a posterior shot of Kim Kardashian, Beyonce Knowles and Jennifer Lopez…

Severian
3 years ago

The problem as I see it is that nature abhors a vacuum. Nobody has any idea what the Evil Empire (that would be “us”) is going to do, because nobody has any idea who’s actually in charge of anything. In times of massive uncertainty, wait and see is almost always the right approach… but it’s almost never the one actually taken. In the wake of the Empire’s collapse overseas — and there’s no doubt that’s what it is, the equivalent of barbarians crossing the Rhine and pouring into Gaul — the pressure on the other powers to do something, *anything*,… Read more »