Electric Boogaloo

In the history of motoring, no owner of a sports car has ever said, “This car would be perfect if it sounded like a washing machine instead of a sports car.” In fact, a common complaint from sports car enthusiasts over the decades is that their favorite model does not have a sexy enough exhaust note. A big part of owning a sports car, even a budget model, is the sound it makes when driving. Watch a car show or YouTube car channel and exhaust sound is always mentioned.

Even if you are not into sports cars, the sound of the engine revving is something everyone associates with a sports car. The sound of the car shifting gears, the echo of the exhaust in a narrow canyon, is a big part of the experience. Similarly, driving enthusiasts prefer manual gearboxes to automatics, even though they will tell you that computer controlled automatic transmissions are far superior. The manual gearbox allows the driver to feel like he is part of the machine.

With that in mind, the world’s premiere sports car makers are promising to take all of that away in the coming years. They say they will stop building internal combustion engines and go completely electric. Most have already abandoned manual gearboxes and the rest promise to do so shortly. The supercar makers are investing all of their time in electric motors and self-driving technology. Their goal is to make the elite sports car into something close to an autonomous vehicle

That means the sports car driving experience will soon be like sitting in front of your laptop to the sound of kitchen appliances. Car shows will have soft looking men and women climbing into futuristic vehicles then sitting there in silence as the vehicle goes about the business of being a car. Presumably, the sports models will come with a VR system so the driver can pretend to be driving an actual sports car or maybe it will just have a screen to see what it used to be like.

The question is why? Again, no one can find a Ferrari owner saying he wishes his supercar sounded more like the kitchen juicer. No one has ever daydreamed about driving his blender through the countryside. People into motoring do it for how it makes them feel and it makes them feel alive. It reminds them that life is for living, not ticking boxes on a spreadsheet dreamed up by a sadist with a graduate degree. That’s the thrill of driving a fast car to your limit.

Granted, there is a group of people who claim to be sports car enthusiasts who think electric sports cars are a great idea. They like telling people that electric cars have a flat torque curve, meaning they can accelerate faster than a normal car. BMW has made a lot of money selling them Z-series sports cars, the ones that look like a clown’s shoe, because these are people who are dead inside. Their enthusiasm for sports cars is superficial and performative.

Of course, there is the environmental angle. The Gaia worshippers claim that electric cars are better for Mother Earth. These are the people who tote their groceries home from the market in grimy canvas sacks. These are the people who wear ornamental face gear thinking it wards off evil spirits. The people who have made a childish fear of the bogeyman into both a science and a religion love electric cars. They also think everyone should live in pods and ride the bus.

Putting aside their superstitions, electric cars are not eco-friendly or a more efficient use of natural resources. Electric comes from power stations. The most common powerplant fuels are coal, natural gas, and uranium. In the United States, only 20% of electricity comes from so-called renewables like solar. These “good” sources of electric like solar are a blight on nature and environmentally toxic. The long term costs far outweigh the costs of conventional energy production systems.

Then there is the practicality of electric cars. Fueling a normal car takes a few minutes while charging an EV takes hours. Again, no one is sitting around saying, “I’d like to spend hours at a roadside station talking with people who tend to loiter at rest stops while my electric car is being charged.” Then there is the fact that you have to install a charging station in your home. Imagine buying a car and being told you have to install a filling station in your backyard in order to use it.

In other words, the natural demand for electric cars was zero and remains low even with the push to manufacture demand. There is a novelty factor, for sure, but if no one had bothered to push the production of electric cars, they would not exist. Tesla exists as a way for Elon Musk to hoover up billions in government money, not because he found an unexploited niche in the automobile market. What he found was a clever way to become a rent seeker and the P.T. Barnum of the technological age.

It would be easy to go through all of the arguments in favor of electric cars and show them to be ridiculous or plain wrong. That is not the point. The point is despite the obvious, Western elites are hell bent on forcing us into electric cars. Those super car makers are not marketing to the hoi polloi. They cater to the global elite and they think the global elite believes in the miracle of electric cars. They are catering to their audience and their audience is our ruling class.

The point of this exercise is not to argue against electric cars, but to point out that practicality and self-interest are not what motivates the ruling class. All of them mouth the platitudes of Gaia worship because that is the prevailing orthodoxy. It is a way for them to signal their adherence to the faith. The local officials installing charging stations at the local school, yet ignoring the broken pipes and boarded up windows, are not thinking practically or responding to the demands of the people.

The electric car grift is useful in thinking about how partisanship in a liberal democracy becomes ideology then something closer to theology. The old partisan divide of the last century, good whites versus bad whites, has become a basket of beliefs untethered from practical reality. That basket of beliefs now forms a religion that bounds and defines the ruling class. The managerial class now has its own religion to control and define the members.


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Karl Horst (Germany)
Karl Horst (Germany)
2 years ago

The electric car is exactly what the new generation wants because as they have learned with smart devices, there’s nothing for them to fix and you just throw it away when it needs to be replaced. In fact, most of the new electric cars have no “user serviceable parts”. Even the Mercedes EQS warns the user that the hood cannot be opened and should only be serviced by a qualified technician. It’s a safe to say that most people born in this century have no clue how to work on a car in the first place. I suspect most of… Read more »

tashtego
Member
2 years ago

Is there truly no competing elites on this planet with a better grasp of reality and the ruthlessness and will to power to destroy these pathetic spoiled children in control of what we used to call The West? Is that really true? I wish I had the cynical opportunism gene to the level of a Bezos or a Musk. I would not use that wealth to take space rides I can tell you. I would use it destroy the worm-people currently at the helm. The public would welcome seeing their heads roll down the capitol steps. They can’t hide their… Read more »

Mr. Blank
Member
2 years ago

I am probably more open-minded about electric cars than most car enthusiasts (read the letters column from the November issue of Car & Driver to get a sense of the mood among car buffs). I’ve driven a couple of electric “performance cars,” and they are pretty nifty in a Jetsons kind of way. It was not at all an unpleasant experience. But yeah, at the end of the day, I’d rather drive a snarling piece of iron powered by Dino juice, with an honest-to-God manual transmission. No electric car can match that feeling of visceral engagement; I intend to drive… Read more »

Based5.0
Based5.0
2 years ago

It’s all fun and games with regard to renewable energy and electric cars until reality intrudes with inclement weather. Last winter’s ice storm that crippled Texas by attacking the points of failure in their electric grid that were supplied by renewables was one wake up call. The snowstorms that shut down I-95 in Virginia last week and the one we got today in KY that shut down parts of I-75 and I-64 are two more. Bad weather happens and ultimately if it’s bad enough, the roads are going to become impassable no matter how competent or well thought out the… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Based5.0
2 years ago

City people who can only imagine the whole world as one giant City.
How provincial.

These are the types that fly from San Fran to NYC and think the world must be everywhere overcrowded.
They’re trying to ‘solve’ the only environment they know.

Of course, with immigration, perhaps they’re only salmon recreating their spawning grounds.

LPM
LPM
2 years ago

Moral positions on technology are marked by extremism, where there are some technologies that must be totally retired. My view is that hybrids are often very good solutions, but hybrids don’t satisfy the criteria of being ‘utopian’.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

About the hours long recharging problem, the obvious solution is that gas stations become ‘battery stations’ instead of just power outlets. You just change batteries like you do in your computer mouse or flashlight or whatever. If they are too big to handle manually, you make smaller module batteries or a robot changes them or something.

acetone
Member
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

Israeli company tried this and failed. Burned through $850 million in the attempt. Oy vey!

https://jalopnik.com/battery-swapping-israeli-startup-better-place-is-dead-510139169

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

“With that in mind, the world’s premiere sports car makers are promising to take all of that away in the coming years. They say they will stop building internal combustion engines and go completely electric. Most have already abandoned manual gearboxes and the rest promise to do so shortly.” And the worst part is, the young generation is going to be fine with it. They want a car that integrates with whatever they come up with to replace the iPad. In fact I would not be surprised if one of the tech companies fuses with an automaker at some point,… Read more »

Ploppy
Ploppy
2 years ago

The proof that EVs are just the religion of the elite is that the technology to move people around with electricity existed 100 years ago. Subways and light rail get right around the battery problem, but people don’t use them if they can help it because of the “urban” demographic. Even 20 years ago in pre-woke 90% white Portland my parents had the bright idea to use the train to get to the airport without paying for long term parking, and from the look of things there must have been an all-you-can-eat fried chicken and grape juice restaurant at the… Read more »

Javelina Rider
Javelina Rider
Reply to  Ploppy
2 years ago

I enjoy classical music and don’t like to think of it as a weapon. But if it makes the undesirables peel off … Bravo!

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
2 years ago

They want electric, so they can shut it down from jewHQ if you get out of line and act human. Dead car, frozen bank account, no food without a microchip, welcome to nogahide america.

My Comment
Member
2 years ago

Besides electric cars being coal powered cars, they are also the driver (pun intended) of human sacrifices to Mother Gaia. The African kids, who do the cobalt mining lose their childhoods and have a lower life expectancy. St. Floyd is looking down on that and he isn’t happy.

The Booby
The Booby
2 years ago

Anyone remember the AMC Javelin?

A thing of beauty, that. If I had the cash to superfluously piss away on a dream muscle car that I have no business driving thanks my lack of mechanical skills it be the AMC Javelin, probably a ’72.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  The Booby
2 years ago

Speaking of which, aren’t all the small American automakers, Studebaker, AMC, Willys etc, gone now? There are only the big three, two of which are only here b/c of government bailouts, and Tesla. This ‘consolidation’ coincides with cars being mindboggling boring to look at. In 500 years, when they’re flying around in high tech saucers, or just teleporting or whatever they’re going, and cars are as old school to them as horses and oxen are to us, art historians of the day will say that the golden age of car design was the 1950s USA (an ancient empire that blossomed… Read more »

mmack
mmack
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

“Speaking of which, aren’t all the small American automakers, Studebaker, AMC, Willys etc, gone now? There are only the big three, two of which are only here b/c of government bailouts, and Tesla.” The problem that the “Independents” (Those carmakers not GM, Ford, or the 1/2 of the Big 2 1/2, Chrysler) had was they had nowhere near the volume of sales nor economies of scale that that “Big Three” had. Perhaps IF Packard had listened to George Mason and James Nance hadn’t insisted on being President of what became AMC, they’d have grown a bit bigger than they got… Read more »

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
2 years ago

John Brown’s ghost roams the land

Brandon Lesko
Brandon Lesko
2 years ago

“The question is why?”

Because men let cunt run everything, and cunts gotta cunt.

PQ
PQ
Reply to  Brandon Lesko
2 years ago

The simple fact of the matter is that lefties have always hated the automobile because of what it represents: individual freedom.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
2 years ago

it’s all about energy density.

more than one person here has commented about “peak oil”. so? do you know how many pounds of oil, it takes to equal the energy in a pound of uranium? 2M. that’s right, it takes 2 million pounds of oil, to equal the energy in one pound of uranium. what’s trippy is burning the oil releases more radioactivity into the atmosphere, than a nuke reactor would (which is 0).

fun fact: radioactivity will not go around corners, or reflect off surfaces.

fun fact: exposing yourself to low level radiation, repeatedly, is actually healthy.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050128222047.htm

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  karl von hungus
2 years ago

“more than one person here has commented about “peak oil” ” A meaningless term anyway. Nobody knows. the stats concerning “proven oil reserves” are hardly the objective figures from disinterested parties. It’s all lies. We just don’t know where we stand. It is true, of course, that the amount of oil on Earth is finite (insofar as people now living can’t wait for more to be formed), but we don’t know how much that is or what it means. And nuclear power plants rely absolutely on an uninterrupted supply of petroleum products. So do hydroelectric dams. It is not *necessarily*… Read more »

Gman
Gman
Member
2 years ago

Once again, Rush (the band, not Limbaugh) was prophetic.

Listen to ‘Red Barchetta’. Feel the engine roar, and the wind in your hair.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Gman
2 years ago

That album was such an achievement. They were able to transmute all of the awkward braininess of their early albums into a set of accessible and thrilling classics of art rock.

Although I do understand all of the ladies who can’t get past Geddy’s voice. He was the voice of the incels before being an incel was cool. His voice literally made women run away screaming.

I know the feeling, Geddy…

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 years ago

saw them a few years back, when they were playing “Moving Pictures” in its entirety.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

, every soul in America works for the oil industry because it’s all interconnected.” No, that’s your logic. But everybody in America *does* works *because* of the oil industry or, more precisely, because of the (heretofore) reliability of the power supply, from whatever source. “(The US exported 1.5 billion cubic feet of LNG to Europe every day from 2017-2019 – before the gas squeeze in 2021.)” Thanks for that info. I stand corrected. I hadn’t looked into that specifically in quite some time and *assumed* that the necessary infrastructure was still not ready. So thanks for setting me straight. My… Read more »

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

So we are in uncharted waters. In principle, we always are. Granted, our rulers do their utmost to destroy our civilization, from mass immigration, promotion of feminism, destruction of the energy infrastructure, neuroses-inducing health tyranny, media worshipping of joggers etc. But the demise of the West has been prophesized for at least 100 years and we’re richer than ever, materially at least. And now we have the internet. I am utterly convinced it’s a bigger game-changer than the printing press and that our rulers are playing by obsolete rules. The printing press brought us the Reformation, the scientific revolution, the… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Felix Krull
2 years ago

“And now we have the internet. I am utterly convinced it’s a bigger game-changer than the printing press and that our rulers are playing by obsolete rules.” AGREED! About South Africa and so on … I think where we are talking past each other is that you are looking at the present, and projecting present conditions into the future *unchanged.* And I grant that that is a gross oversimplification, but this is a comment thread on a blog post. Things are still functioning *somewhat* normally. There are problems with the supply chain, but the supply chain continues to “muddle through.”… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
2 years ago

I saw a video of a guy demonstrating how to launch a new Ferrari. “Put it in launch mode, flip this switch, tap the gas pedal to engage the auto-rev function, watch the blinking lights and wait for the car to launch automatically!” Something like that, I zoned out a little 🙂

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

all the super cars are almost undrivable, with all the auto-drive features turned off. they really are pointless dinosaurs.

Steve
Steve
2 years ago

Wow, where do I begin? This hits very close to home because when I was a kid, my father used to race his ’67 Stingray on a frozen lake not far from our home. My mother used to drive a ’63 Impala SS drop-top. Growing up I was always around cars and it’s not just tinkering with them that is a rush, but other things as well. Things like the scent of the leather seats after you condition them, or the feel of the wind in your face while cruising up a two lane country road, it truly is a… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Steve
2 years ago

“They” are going to fail, But they have set in motion a chain of events that will do a lot of damage. Even a receding wave can wipe the beach smooth,

mountaindogsix
mountaindogsix
2 years ago

Somebody may have mentioned it above but the idiots at Dodge are getting rid of both the Challenger and Charger and they’re either being replaced with 3 new cars or they’ll be available as an E version. The last real muscle car in America is going the way of the Dodo. I just bought a ’21 Wide Body SRT and will have that thing forever. I love American Muscle, the old ones rumble and shake and the new ones have a purring growl that some crapbox ESoy wagon will never have. They’re even doing it to new trucks Turbo 6’s… Read more »

Xman
Xman
2 years ago

Cars, until very recently, have been an artifact of masculinity. ESPECIALLY loud, fast ones. Women drive because they have to or because it is convenient. If it is more convenient for women to order shit on Amazon by tapping on their cell phones with acrylic nails, that is what they will do instead of drive. Women do not wrench on cars, customize them, build engines, or race them.

The war on gasoline and diesel internal combustion cars is a war on masculinity and masculine freedom, perpetrated by urban women, bugmen, and faggots.

mmack
mmack
Reply to  Xman
2 years ago

Women care about cars.

They just want a big SUV that sits high up on the road so they can take their Braden, Jaden, Kayleigh, or Ashleigh to their practice/recital/planned after school event and be sure it’s a bigger SUV than the one that bitch Becky owns. 😏

Valchad
Valchad
Reply to  mmack
2 years ago

“I just like it because I feel safe…”

Banana Boat
Banana Boat
2 years ago

I wrote a post about electric cars a few weeks back. My thesis was that the model would eventually revolve around leasing vehicles due to the prohibitive cost of maintenance and, most importantly, replacing the vehicle’s battery, which will all but kill the used car market for vast swaths of poor and working class people. I can imagine a system where a handful of companies — Tesla, maybe Amazon at some point — lease millions of people electric vehicles for a few years before switching out for a new model, the customer never owning any of them and always being… Read more »

Pozymandias
2 years ago

Oh by the way, I’m surprised no one has remarked on the date. It’s Jan 6!!!! You know INSURRECTION DAY! When does the party start? Also, what do we call this? I nominate “Janteenth”. I know, it makes no sense because 6 < 13 but that's part of the fun muh crackahs! For added racism you can optionally pronounce the final digraph as "F". We could rent a large facility for the parties and have some guys dressed as FBI and capitol police let us in to start the festivities. There can be all kinds of fun games too like… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Pozymandias
2 years ago

“Oh by the way, I’m surprised no one has remarked on the date.”

It came up yesterday.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

that’s what she said

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  karl von hungus
2 years ago

You’ll have to point that out to me. Where did she mention yesterday’s blog post and comments? And is Pozymandias a “she”?

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

Its a joke punchline

Pozymandias
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

No, I’m a dude, an actual one too with all the right number of chromosomes and everything. I came up with the name while thinking about Shelley’s poem and how these people around us are building their empire of poz, soon to meet the same fate as old Oz’s

Banana Boat
Banana Boat
Reply to  Pozymandias
2 years ago

Jan 6th, Resistance Day? Awakening Day? Capitol Day (Bastille Day analogue)? Patriot’s Day? Regardless, that was the day the mask fully came off. Whatever your feelings toward Donald Trump himself, that was the day ordinary Americans summoned the nerve to fight back against an unfair and cruel regime. The same people who’ve terrorized the public with fear got a taste of it themselves — even if it was only a tiny spoonful. I’ll never forget the images of our macho, big talking leaders hiding under their desks like the cowards they are. That’s the real reason for the Jan 6th… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Banana Boat
2 years ago

“When you commit a crime, it’s an insurrection.”

But there *was* no crime. How can it be a crime for the people to enter a building that belongs to them?

“We saw … hundreds of historical White Caucasian monuments destroyed … .”

That is to say, “the treatment (abuse) meted out to a conquered people.” *That* is the number one thing in my opinion.

Great comment! Well stated.

Steve W
Steve W
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

I was last in the Capitol in 1987. My wife and I did a tour and had lunch in the basement. It was fun. Saw Ted Kennedy on the main staircase and said hello; he said hello back. I detested the man politically but still, it’s a moment I remember because I think if I had chosen to give him some good-natured shit, we might have struck up a conversation.

It was a different time, it really was.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Pozymandias
2 years ago

Happy Sixthmus?

Wilbur Hassenfus
Wilbur Hassenfus
2 years ago

“the sports car driving experience will soon be like sitting in front of your laptop to the sound of kitchen appliances” That’s an idiotic remark. As a sportbike enthusiast, I’d absolutely love a near-silent crotch rocket that I didn’t have to shift. Or an equivalent Miata. No oil and coolant changes? Bring it on! To a dumb fat fuck who fantasizes in front of the TV about owning a Corvette, the sound and the shifter are the whole game. But he’s s dumb fat fuck who worships college football, and if he ever got a Corvette he’d break it loose… Read more »

Wilbur Hassenfus
Wilbur Hassenfus
Reply to  Wilbur Hassenfus
2 years ago

PS Yeah, loud exhausts are a thing — among dumb kids, and closeted leather daddies on Harleys.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Wilbur Hassenfus
2 years ago

LOL

Take it easy Francis.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
2 years ago

He’s mighty full of himself, ain’t he! It must be *glorious* to be him!

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

hear my mighty electric bike reeeeeee

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Wilbur Hassenfus
2 years ago

Do you write AOC’s public statements? I ask b/c of the “closeted” thing is so remarkably similar to her “Republicans are mad because they can’t ‘date’ me” and something about her “boyfriend’s feet.”

And this was also revealing: “I’d absolutely love a near-silent crotch rocket … .”

Maybe Vulcan mind meld explains it. Your mind works like hers.

It’s quite a distinction for you. You’ll probably get a knighthood out of it.

Strike Three
Strike Three
Reply to  Wilbur Hassenfus
2 years ago

Dude, you really need to take it down a notch.

Your entire comment amounts to “Hey all you guys who have ever enjoyed the sound of a powerful car’s engine; you’re stupid, you’re fat, you’re lazy, and if you disagree with me then you’re better off dead.”

Does your dad know you’ve hijacked his computer?

mountaindogsix
mountaindogsix
Reply to  Strike Three
2 years ago

I think he got beat up by a “leather daddy” for touching his patch.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  mountaindogsix
2 years ago

What he refers to as a “crotch rocket”?

B125
B125
Reply to  Strike Three
2 years ago

Think this is a case of Grampa logging onto his sons’ computer again lol.

(No disrespect to any older commenters on the Z Blog).

Panzernutter
Panzernutter
Reply to  Wilbur Hassenfus
2 years ago

That you nick ?

Norham Foul
Norham Foul
Reply to  Wilbur Hassenfus
2 years ago

BANG! That’s this fat fucks 1-Ton Laramie launching Mistah Skinny Pants as he uncontrollably-yet quietly- slides into my lane and smacks my plow mount while trying to, oh so silently, recover from the loose gravel bike slide. Had it been a Harley I might of heard the poor SOB and braked :>(. Not a scratch on my truck but just another on the mount. BTW, the 1/2 ton gas Laramies will no longer have the 5.7L Hemi. Division has been eliminated I’ve read. Their midway to electric power plant will be a V6 with a turbo. I’m getting out there… Read more »

BerndV
BerndV
Reply to  Wilbur Hassenfus
2 years ago

I do a dozen track weekends every year on my BMW S1000RR and about 10,000 miles of touring on my K1600GT. I’ve been riding sport bikes since I was eighteen. The involvement and visceral experience that comes with shifting and hearing the engine sing at high RPM is essential to the experience for me. Riding an electric motorcycle would be a sterile, soulless, and therefore pointless experience. Furthermore, performing the maintenance, tinkering, and modifying the machine is a part of the joy of owning and riding a motorcycle. Frankly, I find it hard to believe you actually ride.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  BerndV
2 years ago

Oh, I’m sure he rides. A floor-mounted dildo, that is.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

Segway I reckon.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  BerndV
2 years ago

BMW S1000RR

Awesome ride!

Just listening to that engine run up and down the gears sounds amazing:

https://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/en/models/sport/s1000rr.html#/section-experience-the-racing-sound-of-the-rr

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Wilbur Hassenfus
2 years ago

i want to thank all the people here for feeding the troll. he’ll probably go away now.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Wilbur Hassenfus
2 years ago

You’re just an effete pussy. And I’d relish the opportunity to say it to your face. You probably think F1 is real racing, too.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

He said, “Crotch rocket.” Thee was something AOC-ish about the post. She says “Repubs are mad b/c they can’t ‘date’ [her]” followed by something about her “boyfriend’s feet.”

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
Reply to  Wilbur Hassenfus
2 years ago

Yeah this comment thread is living up to lefties caricature of the right as a bunch of mouth breathing cranky old white guys.

acetone
Member
2 years ago

“They say they will stop building internal combustion engines and go completely electric… The question is why?” Bad ideas spread due to messages pushed from the elite at the top down to the bottom of society. We see this everywhere. One very effective way to propagate a message from the top to the bottom is by government mandate from an institution captured by lefties. Here is a case study in how this was done with electric vehicles. Ford in the late 90s made the decision to develop an all electric vehicle in response to the California Zero Emission Vehicle Program… Read more »

Member
2 years ago

Why would you want a self-driving sports car? They aren’t all that comfy to ride in so if you are just puttering along at the speed limit, being driven by HAL, why not some big ass luxury auto that is comfortable to ride in?

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Arthur Sido
2 years ago

“. . .being driven by HAL” That’s quality commenting, right there.

Pozymandias
Reply to  Arthur Sido
2 years ago

“Take us down to the gun store Hal.”
HAL: “I’m sorry Dave I can’t let you do that.”
“Take us to the Dodge dealer that has those new 2022 Ram pickups.”
HAL: “I’m sorry Dave I can’t let you do that.”
“Take us to a Red State where I don’t have to wear this goddamn mask everywhere”
HAL: “I’m sorry Dave…”

Compsci
Compsci
2 years ago

The real killer to the traditional “car experience” will be the mandate to use automated driving features now installed on all cars. Electric, took away the sound and feel of the automobile wrt, acceleration, gear changing, and sound. But a mandate to use automatic driving features will kill the remaining joy wrt, steering/maneuvering, speeding, passing, etc. Even today, without mandates to use, the wife’s car checks the highway speed limit and posts it above the speedometer. It senses “appropriate stopping distance” and will slow/distance the car from others in the traffic lane—unless forced to close distance by driver. It also… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Compsci
2 years ago

“and will slow/distance the car”
Oh yes, we had/have large fleets installing “truck radar” on semis.

And when the damned thing decides to hit the brakes on black ice…

Bonus! Now it’s not just dash cams pointing out, but cams pointing in, too!

Panzernutter
Panzernutter
2 years ago

Loud pipes save lives, and chrome don’t get ya home, but it won’t leave you alone. Date’n myself here. One of the newer apprentice stop by the house for a beer on his HD last weekend. I heard him coming and went out to meet him. Soon as he got to the house, out came the phone. Can you put that thing down for five minutes ?! Turns out he was adjusting his fuel injection mixture with an app. You know how I adjust mine ? With a small screwdriver (S&S carb). That kid was so far behind me on… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
2 years ago

The Modi car! Made in India.

It runs on compressed air, the greenest car in the world.

8 minute recharge with an air compressor, 300 mile range.

That is, if these liars were serious.

***
Hey, anybody remember the original Honda car? The motorcycle engine in a chassis?
I could’ve bought one at the used car lot for $1500, I wish I had. Great gas mileage!

trumpton
trumpton
2 years ago

Gosh. Lots of words to avoid the obvious point that it is a worldwide (as far as the west is concerned) conspiracy of all governments and related NGOs to remove gas powered engines to prevent private vehicle ownership in their population and feed into the saving the world complex the secondary true believers have in abundance..

This fact is so obvious it is ridiculous to try and avoid it.

Repeated and consistent coordinated legislation and restrictions in multiple countries all pushing towards a single purpose and no doubt a massive amount of funding/pressure on car manufacturers to get in line.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

A lot of the car companies themselves are loaded with true believers who are all too eager to fall in line.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

Car manufacturers are huge corporations. They are, therefore, inextricably enmeshed with the evil Power Structure.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

Buts that the thing isn’t it.

What, when you get down to it, do they actually believe about this? I mean in detail.

Lots of these people appear to be able to function as engineers, yet cannot apply basic socratic step logic to this wider issue.

They have a surface mind worm to provide a shiny cocoon of an opinion, but inside it is empty, as even a cursory examination shows it is nonsense on stilts without the vice of legislative pressure being applied to their business.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

I was actually joking yesterday about the nonsense syllables thingie, but Geese and the Zman are quite correct pointing out the “Pick me! Pick me!” phenomenon.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

JOINT REPLY to 3g4me and Felix Krull. “Infant: There will always be White men who will, for a price, provide the elite with whatever services they require. Like the Whites who keep South Africa afloat, or the White pilots who shuttle rappers to Europe in private planes. There will be just enough White oil workers to ensure the elite with their supply.” I understand, but what of oil refineries? Pipelines? Airports. Air-traffic control? Transportation of crude oil and its distillates to points of final use? Road maintenance on a continental scale? 24/7 Security for ALL of that in a world… Read more »

Spingehra
Spingehra
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

Can’t apply logic to crazy. & whatever their motovations are crazy.. megalomaniacle control seems to make the most sense to me given human nature.
Herding cats is possible? Hasn’t worked yet.
As usual there will have to be rivers of blood.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

Expanding on my points below about the grid, I am also befuddled that the Davos dummies truly seem to believe that a few thousand private jets and several hundred yachts will create enough demand to keep the vast supply chains behind them running. They can’t create enough demand because there are many businesses at every step of those chains that only make a profit because they are optimized for the scale of industrial civilization that we had up to March 2020. As for going away from gasoline and diesel, that is one of the dumbest ideas the watermelons hold. This… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

The infographic link I forgot in my post:

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/whats-made-barrel-of-oil/

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

“Note that gas, which is incredibly useful, was originally considered a waste product!” Very true. And OT, but funny: I was poring over census records from 1850 or 1860 or thereabouts one time, and ran across a woman named “Gasoline.” I thought, “Well, maybe the parents had heard of or, more likely, read the word in print and named their daughter “Gasoline.” It took me a few minutes to realize that they *probably* pronounced it to rhyme with “Caroline.” But I was only guessing. Anyway, yeah, Gasoline. But you are right. Everything is interdependent and relies *absolutely* on an *unfailing*… Read more »

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

people used to wash their clothes in gasoline! in the house! have seen PSA’s on how dangerous it is/was 🙂

nunnya bidnez, jr
nunnya bidnez, jr
Reply to  karl von hungus
2 years ago

of course we used gasoline, ever since they made it illegal to buy carbon tetrachloride. man, that stuff was great for getting out those stains on my jeans.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  karl von hungus
2 years ago

Wow! Never heard that, either! Early “dry cleaning.”

SidVic
SidVic
Member
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

Caused a very high incidence of liver cancer among organic chemist. If it the stuff I’m thinking of.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

I have to assume, given the intelligence of your posting history, that I don’t know what you mean by this apparently astounding statement. An off-shore oil rig operates with a crew of about a hundred men per shift; let’s say a hundred more for tankers and service ships, five hundred to run a refinery round the clock. Times five that total just to be on the safe side, that’s 4,500 mercenaries (with the current level of automation) and you could produce petroleum distillates for a million cloud people. Health care is a LOT more labor intensive than oil – that’s… Read more »

Joe
Joe
Reply to  Felix Krull
2 years ago

“Health care is a LOT more labor intensive than oil – that’s why oil is so cheap.”

Oil wouldn’t be cheap for long if everybody had government provided ‘oil insurance.’

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Felix Krull
2 years ago

” … for tankers and service ships … .” Which are maintained by whom? With what? And where? And wherever it is, it is a complex setup that itself has to be maintained by … whom? With what? Obtained from where? And how? ” … that’s 4,500 mercenaries … .” Kept alive how? Eating what? Produced by whom? Where? transported to the mercenaries how? By whom? Over what roads, defended how and by whom? Food prepared by whom? The preparers kept alive by what? Produced where and by whom and transported how and over what undefended roads, and and and… Read more »

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

Well as I said, the very hypothetical scenario I proposed – our future rulers flying helicopters rather than riding cars – presupposes an industrial infrastructure. So the steel works and the chemical plants required to maintain your oil industry wouldn’t just exist to service oil production. By your logic, every soul in America works for the oil industry because it’s all interconnected. To repeat the point I made downthread, South Africa maintained a modern civilization with only ten percent whites, and all African shitholes have elite enclaves serviced by slave armies with only a thin crust of imported engineers. I… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Felix Krull
2 years ago

My reply to this fell victim to what I call “the vagaries of cyberspace.” My apologies, but you’ll have to scroll around for it. Sorry!

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
2 years ago

Ok, thanks. No problem.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Felix Krull
2 years ago

“South Africa maintained a modern civilization with only ten percent whites” Indisputably true. If you can keep ‘the masses’ separate from ‘the elite’ or whatever you want to call your in-group, your in-group can run forever. Limiting case, if you keep the segregation, what they famously called ‘apartheid’ in SA, sufficiently strong, you can make the out-group about as irrelevant as feral or wild animals. The key problem, and I really hope that is a problem, you can’t keep white people marginalized like that forever. That is an entirely different ballgame than keeping Africans, who just came out of the… Read more »

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Felix Krull
2 years ago

what about spare parts?

what about purposeful sabotage?

what about theft?

what about transporting the fuel?

what about drivable roads?

what about functioning transportation?

what about when the mercs die off, who replaces them?

no, without the mass market, there will not be a specialty market for richies. nor will there be richies.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Felix Krull
2 years ago

Gulf Coast. (I’m pretty sure I’ll hear about it otherwise.)

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  RoBG
2 years ago

Plus one in Georgia and one in Maryland – and two in the North West that I missed.

https://cms.ferc.gov/media/north-american-lng-export-terminals-existing-approved-not-yet-built-and-proposed-1

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Felix Krull
2 years ago

Roger that. I really WAS out of date.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

Interesting discussion. Using oil, the three of you are sort of discussing different angles of a very important general problem which is gauging how far away we are from a real collapse or system overthrow. Two of you, Felix and 3g, seem to be arguing that it is far away and Infant that it is close by. I switch between these two positions daily. Sometimes I think this can turn into an unending nightmare and sometimes I think we’re on the brink. Looking at history, the best empirical sourse, it seems there is something fundamentally stochastic about when something collapses.… Read more »

TomC
TomC
2 years ago

Citizens riding their electric bicycles more than 10 miles a day will be subject to a 50% reduction in their allotted carbon credits.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  TomC
2 years ago

Not to mention their calorie intake.

Eloi
Eloi
2 years ago

I feel you miss one major point about the motivation in the push towards electric. If cars are self driving, and the self driving is controlled by a few basic tech companies, you can only go where you are allowed. I do not disagree with the huffing at the freon altar of Gaia, but I believe there is the serendipitous side effect of being able to track and control the movements of everyone. If the capital of the digital era is information, this is a goldmine. If the desire of the elite overlords is control, this is quite the tool.… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Eloi
2 years ago

Britain will ban the sale of new non-electric motorcycles in 2030 (maybe, 2035). Wouldn’t be surprised if the US followed suit as some point.

Motorcycles aren’t much more friendly to the environment than cars. Fortnine runs the numbers in this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3Ak7ArqmyI

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

Oh, I make no claim motorcycles are environmentally friendly. I just meant in terms of hearing an exhaust, gas powered, and manual transmission now that my main vehicle is a neutered automatic.

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  Eloi
2 years ago

And, further, I completely agree – they will ban gas motorcycles.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

The Uk are intending to ban all private vehicles, as is all the west.

https://www.express.co.uk/life-style/cars/1535798/private-car-ownership-road-driving-changes-updates

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

Banning private ownership is a key to complete authoritarian control of the population. It is a utopianist’s dream.

Just think about it for a moment. We moan about internal passports and government monitoring our movements, but what if we simply could not move about where we wish? Why track a subversive when you can just put him in a cage where he can do nothing you displeasure.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Compsci
2 years ago

Its more than that as you will also effectively be banning then private ownership of hydrocarbons (coal already out in the UK, natural gas heating soon to follow), which removes the ability to store any decent independent high density energy surplus.

I don’t get why people can’t see the cars are not the point. Its the removal of your travel and energy independence that is the goal.

The electric cars are just a means to do it.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Compsci
2 years ago

Trumpton-

It’s because most people are surface thinkers with normalcy bias.

Similarly frustrating is their propensity to be seduced by the comforting materialist promises of totalitarians, even though those promises are always broken in the end.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Compsci
2 years ago

Its literally the govt mandating “New Lamps for Old”. (hello Arabian nights) in order to steal another section of your private sphere in exchange for a worthless tin lamp that has no future or use, and people seem deaf to it.

Don’t get side tracked arguing about the aspects of lamp. It is a sleight of hand where the intent is the important issue.

They are telling you the intent so listen to them.

Carwin
Carwin
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

2030 may as well be 4050 when it comes to politics.

Windy boasts signifying nothing more than the inanity and cynicism of the speaker.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Eloi
2 years ago

The elites want everything to be a service in the cloud, so that everything is under their control.

I imagine myself driving and suddenly a car swerves into my lane. I try to hit the brakes and turn but the car says to me, “You wrote a hateful post on the internet so we have cancelled your steering and brake services. Have a nice day.”

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 years ago

Remember Michael Hastings…

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Eloi
2 years ago

It’s been reported in both MSN and the Daily Caller that Biden signed legislation to install a “kill switch” in all new cars in about 5 years.
https://tinyurl.com/bdhwjc5w What’s that all about?

Diversity Heretic
Member
2 years ago

Commenting from France; two years ago a Peugeot salesman told us that electric cars are a ticking environmental time bomb–battery production and disposal are anything but environmentally benign, even aside from very hazardous battery fires. Here in France, electric cars are relentlessly advertised but only about 10% of the sales are electric cars. Another factor is the extremely high cost of replacing the battery pack when it will no longer hold a charge. Z-man’s nostalgia for cars that sound and drive like cars is a point often made by Eric Peters in his column: EPautos, or something like that; And… Read more »

cameron
cameron
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
2 years ago

Honestly I’m utilitarian about cars. I drive a Yaris.

What bugs me is in the future cars will be prohibitively expensive and you won’t be able to drive one and escape “vibrancy.”

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  cameron
2 years ago

That’s another example of them not being all to bright in their analysis. The only thing that has kept some semblance of peace over the last 50 or so years is the fact that victims of vibrancy have been able to escape from it.

Drew
Drew
Reply to  cameron
2 years ago

On the plus side, vibrancy won’t be able to leave the ghetto.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Drew
2 years ago

They’re going to turn the entire West into one large ghetto.

This is why they’re dumping immivaders all over the red states.

It is also why they’re working overtime to eliminate certain residential zoning laws.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

“It is also why they’re working overtime to eliminate certain residential zoning laws.”

Almost nobody knows about this.

manc
manc
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
2 years ago

Whenever I point out the huge amount of extractive mining that has to be done for EV batteries, the true believers stare at me like my golden retriever. No comprehension. If they’re told something’s virtuous literally nothing else matters.

Crabe-Tambour
Crabe-Tambour
Reply to  manc
2 years ago

Or, in my case, like that of an Irish Setter.

Spingehra
Spingehra
Reply to  Crabe-Tambour
2 years ago

Beagles here.
When I think about just how stupid those kind of people are..
Fed post deleted.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  manc
2 years ago

THIS ^^^ A THOUSAND TIMES THIS ^^^ using “extractive mining” as a stand-in for the *staggering* number of *interdependent* and *complex* energy-intensive systems upon which modernity is based and without which–even with the break of a *single link* in that chain of interdependent systems–modernity ceases to exist–“elites, baby, bough, cradle and all.”

This ain’t no joke. And it won’t be quickly or easily solved. The damage that has already been deliberately inflicted is the beginning of a LOT of falling dominoes, and the so-called “elites” that DID this are going down with everything else.

Steve W
Steve W
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

I’ve enjoyed your comments in this thread, IP. I can’t add much; I was just thinking about all the hundreds or thousands of machine shops around the country that produce all the little indescribable gizmos that go into sub-components of other larger components that eventually find their way into a complex industrial system. Where I live, I can think of at least three small firms with under thirty employees under contract to well-known national corporate behemoths to machine obscure parts under high security. And I live in a declining region of a blue state, not in some groovy high-tech coastal… Read more »

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
2 years ago

bet a buck the current governments fall, before the internal combustion engine is replaced.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  karl von hungus
2 years ago

I want this to be true. F, I want this to be true lol

cameron
cameron
2 years ago

As far as free market, globohomo capitalism making a better product, may I mention the Remington 870 shotgun. The market is so saturated with competitors from China, Turkey and Mexico (Eagle Pass, Texas) that they have to shave every cent off the price. So they put a metal injection mold extractor (a simple part but probably the most important part that can mechanically fail) on their “Express” gun (you can’t buy the police model anymore). Now a forged metal extractor will cost you maybe $15. Just put the forged part on it and charge me a bit more. Nope, cause… Read more »

Spingehra
Spingehra
Reply to  cameron
2 years ago

Yes 870. I’ve “harvested” deer, turkey and one elk useing that most excellent piece.
I made sure every family member has one.
EXCEPT ME! I have a Winchester 1300
With all the trimmings it’s a reliable working unit, the new Winchester that replaced it is Turkish I don’t know it might be ok but still Sad sad sad.

cameron
cameron
Reply to  Spingehra
2 years ago

Winchester 1300 is a VERY nice gun. Very smooth and fast pump action. Probably the fastest pump. Hang onto it.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  cameron
2 years ago

The other issue w the 870 Express was unpolished chambers. A chamber that a spent shell will stick harder to plus a crappy extractor, congratulations you just made one of the most dependable pump-actions ever produced, unreliable. Great job.

Remington is much the same story as Boeing. When MBAs and ‘finance wizz’ take over manufacturing companies from engineers, time to diverst.

G706
G706
2 years ago

And it gets more fake and gay. GM is developing an electric chassis that can have a classic car body mounted on it. A fire breathing SS 396 can be turned into a Tesla, but I guess it looks cool and comes with indulgences to the Holy Gaia.

https://www.ericpetersautos.com/2021/12/31/the-classic-skate/

cameron
cameron
2 years ago

Nearly 3 decades now of punk kids in those little Jap cars with the loud exhaust. When will that crap end? I’m impressed when a car is extremely quiet, particularly when it has a powerful engine. Some of the old Jaguars and German cars. THAT’S impressive engineering. Cars make lots of noise by their very nature. Quiet is impressive.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  cameron
2 years ago

Now that I think about it, the oud rice rocket thing seems to be more popular outside of Japan. They certainly exist, but it’s always a random annoyance, usually some douchebag driving a crappy Skyline. Scooters on the other hand…grrr, those are certainly grating. RRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Forever Templar
2 years ago

I’ve never seen one of the Fast and Furious movies, but I wonder if they feature rice-grinders, and, in turn, influence the vibrants’ choice of which cars to steal or purchase through drug money.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
2 years ago

“Imagine buying a car and being told you have to install a filling station in your backyard in order to use it.” Great, if you happen to have such a yard. Being a city person, I know the joys of parking hell and no garages. Garages are few and far between in the big cities. Nobody else has a fixed parking spot. Spots shift based on the number of cars on the street. Nobody likes the EV quite like bugmen. The techie guys who read science fiction when they were boys, who were promised life on a space station or… Read more »

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
2 years ago

When I was a conservative, the belief that the free market punished corporations that defied the demands of the people was comforting. But it was an inaccurate mental model for how the world of large scale capitalism actually works. In fact, once a company gets rich enough, it can defy its customer’s values with impunity. If most of the companies in a market are led by people with the same ideology then those companies can push that ideology on the public that dislikes that ideology with little effect of the bottom line. Z Man’s observation about the elites forcing electric… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 years ago

Line: Sad but accurate observation.

B125
B125
2 years ago

Alot of mid-wits THINK they’re elites. They think being able to afford a 70k Tesla makes them elite and better than the deplorables. They’re in for a rude awakening when it turns out that they are just as affected by the anti oil, anti ICE agenda as everybody else. The upper middle class is no more protected than the middle class, except they have more $$ to act as a buffer. Same with immigration – they think letting in millions of aliens will hurt “the right”/deplorables, and they’re right. it also hurts them and makes them irrelevant over time too.… Read more »

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

The cost difference between an EV and an ICE is ridiculous. That’s why they always compare the Tesla to high end luxury cars. It simply is not economically rational when compared to a similar car. One problem all of these people ignore is that there is a balance between diesel, aviation and gasoline. Gasoline is literally a byproduct of diesel, aviation fuel and kerosene. You cannot produce diesel without producing at least some gasoline and there is zero chance of the interstate trucking system or commercial airlines working with existing batteries. A large scale shift to electric vehicles will drive… Read more »

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  tarstarkas
2 years ago

Lol, remember solar roads from a bunch of years back? No point, just the parallels of impractibility remindede of it.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Forever Templar
2 years ago

Yeah, they have it here, France, Spain and a few other places. Just burning through money for no real reason. Drive on glass solar panels!

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  tarstarkas
2 years ago

They don’t give a shit about any of this. The economic arguments are irrelevant.

Let me just clarify what I meant by this.

They don’t give a shit about any of this.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

Yes but it gives a sh!t about them. Witness the supply chain and inflation issues. They know if these issues blow up that they’ll never be able to travel outside of D.C. safely, but they can only use tools given to them by their religious faith to try and fix them.

They exude a ton of confidence: “we totally got this” they say, this from the same group that can’t keep a highway moving after an inch of snow.

Spingehra
Spingehra
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
2 years ago

Yes 870. I’ve “harvested” deer, turkey and one elk useing that most excellent piece.
I made sure every family member has one.
EXCEPT ME! I have a Winchester 1300
With all the trimmings it’s a reliable working unit, the new Winchester that replaced it is Turkish I don’t know it might be ok but still Sad sad sad.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

“Elites are a very small faction of society.”

And are subject to the same laws of nature as everything else.

When petroleum products are simply not to be had AT ANY PRICE, “they” will blame us and deny the glaringly obvious as they go to a low-tech execution.

Spingehra
Spingehra
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

Yes 870. I’ve “harvested” deer, turkey and one elk useing that most excellent piece.
I made sure every family member has one.
EXCEPT ME! I have a Winchester 1300
With all the trimmings it’s a reliable working unit, the new Winchester that replaced it is Turkish I don’t know it might be ok but still Sad sad sad.

Abelard Lindsey
Abelard Lindsey
2 years ago

I’m not a fan of electric vehicles. However, I’m not certain that going electric is a bad choice for high end sports car manufacturers. Sports cars are hobby and show off cars. You drive them on a weekend afternoon or to the dance club on a Friday or Saturday night. You generally do not drive them on long distance trips. As such, range is not an issue. Furthermore, electric vehicles have much better torque at low speeds. This means electric sports cars will have better acceleration than ICE equivalents. They will also require less maintenance as well. Sports cars is… Read more »

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Abelard Lindsey
2 years ago

Yes, but sports cars are more than just hard acceleration. It’s the whole experience.
You can’t really beat on them. The Mustang E thing, I calculated some time ago that the motor can completely drain the battery in a literal couple of minutes. Yes, a large engine can drink a lot of gasoline pretty quick too, but it doesn’t involve an hour of recharging. You can recharge a gas engine in 30 seconds.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  tarstarkas
2 years ago

Plenty of rich idiots willing to buy prestige.

Professor Alfred Sharpton
Professor Alfred Sharpton
Reply to  Abelard Lindsey
2 years ago

“Range is not an issue”

Spoken like someone who doesn’t own a sports car

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Professor Alfred Sharpton
2 years ago

“Spoken like someone who doesn’t own a sports car”

True, but what he probably means is “We don’t give a rat’s as* how far you useless eaters can go, or even *whether * you go anywhere.”

Moggy herder
Moggy herder
2 years ago

I have driven sports cars(mostly british and Italian)for nearly 50 years. They are not fast, often uncomfortable, require skill and concentration to drive and sound marvelous. I love them. I currently own three which should keep me for the foreseeable future. One of the few advantages of advanced age is knowing I won’t have to deal with much of the “Hunger Games” future the Left is trying to build.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Moggy herder
2 years ago

May I ask what you drive? Brit cars always looked squirrely to me, but look fun as hell to let loose on the road. I have driven a manual Mini, a little green thing I rented when stationed in England way back. Probably nothing comparable to your league of vehicles, but that was fun as all get out to drive.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Forever Templar
2 years ago

I have a weakness for the mid 60s triumphs

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Falcone
2 years ago

something like this:comment image

🙂

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  karl von hungus
2 years ago

Do they get any better looking?

Man I love those things.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Forever Templar
2 years ago

One of my absolute favorite cars I owned was an 83.5 Shelby Charger. It looked fast, had great handling and had a 2.2l naturally aspirated 110hp engine mated to a 5 speed. Slow, but still fun to drive. No heat either. I could drive it for hours, pull over, remove the radiator cap and the coolant was ice cold even with a new thermostat. I had it for like 2.5 years when I was in college. Never broke down. I had a Citation X-11 that was a lot of fun too. Not exactly a speed demon, but nowhere near as… Read more »

mmack
mmack
Reply to  tarstarkas
2 years ago

You had a Citation X-11

And it ran?!?!?!? 🤣

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  mmack
2 years ago

I really liked that car. It was my 2nd favorite behind the Shelby. It was only a 2.8l 6 cylinder 4-speed and not one of the slanted 6 cylinder ones with the cold air intake and fuel injection, it was the 1980 model with a carb. I think it was about 160horse, but a very light car. But it had an aftermarket suspension on it with adjustable Koni struts and an aftermarket anti-sway bar when I bought it. Very nice car inside too. But it was older when I had it around 1990. Handled great and got great gas mileage.… Read more »

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  mmack
2 years ago

I really liked that car. It was my 2nd favorite behind the Shelby. It was only a 2.8l 6 cylinder 4-speed and not one of the slanted 6 cylinder ones with the cold air intake and fuel injection, it was the 1980 model with a carb. I think it was about 160horse, but a very light car. But it had an aftermarket suspension on it with adjustable Koni struts and an aftermarket anti-sway bar when I bought it. Very nice car inside too. But it was older when I had it around 1990. Handled great and got great gas mileage.… Read more »

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Moggy herder
2 years ago

any chonky mogs? 😛

Darcy
Darcy
2 years ago

“In the history of motoring, no owner of a sports car has ever said, ‘This car would be perfect if it sounded like a washing machine instead of a sports car.’” Speaking of washing machines, what consumer ever asked for a washing machine fills only half full with water, takes three times as long to run through a full cycle, and gets clothes only half-clean? Back in 2011 when the media actually cared about such things, the Wall Street Journal actually wrote about it. For details, google “How Washington Ruined Your Washing Machine.” From the article: “In 2007, after the… Read more »

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Darcy
2 years ago

Also, the “high efficiency” washing machines are more expensive and less reliable, because they require more electronics to determine how much water to use. All this disruption to what used to be a simple, reliable appliance is because our rulers believe people are too stupid to set the water level at low/med/high depending on the size of the load.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Darcy
2 years ago

Even worse is the water standards. It never stops raining in Philly. Or if you live in Seattle. America is far too large and dare I say, “diverse,” for these stupid universal standards.

If people cared that much about efficiency, they would just buy the more efficient models. After all, a truly less “efficient” model would generate higher energy and water bills.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Darcy
2 years ago

When the advertising says, “It’s a green solution,” I think, “So it doesn’t work nearly as well as the old solution?”

La-Z-Man
La-Z-Man
2 years ago

The younger commenters here will be the young man in Rush’s Red Barchetta. Oldsters such as myself will be the uncle the young man visits.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  La-Z-Man
2 years ago

Excellent citation, excellent song, although it must be said that the best birth control for a young man is a Rush tee shirt.

Supposedely the song is based on a short story. As much of a nerd as I am, I haven’t ever read it. You?

La-Z-Man
La-Z-Man
Reply to  LineInTheSand
2 years ago

Line, I’m unaware of the short story. The birth control tee shirt comment is funny, and true. I would add Genesis, Yes, and other prog rock acts to the list.

Technojunkie
Technojunkie
2 years ago

About the only good thing to come out of this is that they’ve figured out that the only way these electric dreams can work is by getting serious about nuclear power. I’m noticing significant predictive programming on the subject. The big push is still to come. In fact, keeping the expensive electric toys of the ruling class running is likely to be how they’ll overcome resistance to going nuclear. It’d be even better if it gets us thorium reactors but we’ll see. I’m not saying that this is ideal, just what I see happening. Switching the most thirsty trucks and… Read more »

rdz
rdz
Reply to  Technojunkie
2 years ago

He saw his native land fall, and doesn’t want to be around when the rest goes. Do you blame him. Clown world makes mars look good.

Rdz
Rdz
Reply to  Technojunkie
2 years ago

If room temperature liquid hydrocarbons did not naturally exist we wold have to invent them. These are the most efficient means to use energy.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Technojunkie
2 years ago

They don’t intend them to work.

They intend a massive shortfall in the ability to charge to restrict ownership.

The goal is to remove your ownership, and therefore your ability to travel any distance and to store your own energy surplus.

Pozymandias
Reply to  Technojunkie
2 years ago

I’ve expressed some mild enthusiasm for Musk here on occasion. He seems to listen to what the Cuckwhites say and then thinks “OK, now how do I use what they’re telling me to sell these goobers what they say they want so I can make something that’s actually cool with the money.” His South African background means he’s been surrounded by racially suicidal Whites his whole life. Their ancestors put 400 years of work into their nation and they handed it over out of “guilt” to a bunch of people who wrecked it completely in a generation. This was in… Read more »

Milestone D
Milestone D
2 years ago

Electric cars stands as the best example that math/facts will not sway a true-believer. It really does not require all that much effort to quickly illustrate all the problems with electric cars or “renewable” electricity and certainly with the combination of the two. (night time being solar power’s most vexing foe) Yet, here we are … people who really do believe (and it’s belief, not understanding) that a modern economy can be powered by the equivalent of unicorn farts are driving us in this direction. And this goes back to Z’s recent Taki’s post: it’s one thing to have to… Read more »

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Milestone D
2 years ago

> She’ll cover her house with solar panels, but when it’s cloudy and hot, she’ll expect the grid to pick up the electrical load, and for the rest of us to pay the cost of maintaining it until she needs it.

California is starting to tax people for having solar panels, because they say they aren’t giving their fair share to power grid infrastructure. To quote a classic South Park line “If irony was strawberries, we would be drinking a lot of smoothies right now.”

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

cali is shafting all the people who went for subsidised panels. here’s the special cali part: when the grid is down, the panels provide 0 current to the house! yep, the panels feed into the grid, only!!

but that’s not all. if a panel shorts, for any reason, your house is going to burn down. cause the FD won’t touch a house with panels. why not? because they keep putting out current, and lots of it, as long as the sun is shining on the panel.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  karl von hungus
2 years ago

wait till they start charging them huge amounts to recycle them in an environmentally safe manner.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Milestone D
2 years ago

“people who really do believe (and it’s belief, not understanding) that a modern economy can be powered by the equivalent of unicorn farts are driving us in this direction.”

If you where three masks and duct-tape over them, that should stop those unicorn farts.

Astralturf
Astralturf
2 years ago

At 100 comments I’m probably not the first to mention this, but I wonder if we’re gonna hear about some cloud person who was stuck in that highway closure with nothing but a big battery on wheels. I’ve heard a tank of gas can give you a full week of idling. It’s very useful to drive around with a generator!

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Astralturf
2 years ago

“Joe Biden” himself was out there rescuing the hapless victims (a whole new class) from the effects of runaway climate change! With a bad dude called “Corn Pop” hard at work by “Joe Biden’s” ever-alert, hardworking side, it was a sight to behold!

Heroic doesn’t begin to describe it. Leonidas would blush before this dynamic duo’s manly deeds! The crew of the Titanic would be ashamed of their cowardice before “Joe Biden” and Corn Pop. The Charge of the Light Brigade was as nothing in comparison.

We are truly blessed as a country.

Dinothedoxie
Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

It’s weird to me that electric cars have become a point of political schismogenesis in this country.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Dinothedoxie
2 years ago

Dino: Lovely new word for me to learn and use. Thank you.

Stranger in a Strange Land
Stranger in a Strange Land
2 years ago

I was at the F1 race the last time they were at Indy (circa 2008) seated close to the start / finish line. Just prior to lights out – the sound I heard and felt was…loud.. unforgettably loud.
F1 toned the cars down a few years ago, and if you’ve ever listened to / watched the E1 series – that’s a sure fire way to completely destroy any live or televised viewership.
I do find what Ford has done with the Mustang exhaust mode control to be rather annoying – or better stated the people that drive / use it.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
2 years ago

“Duct” tape. “Duct” tape. “Duct” tape. “Duct” tape.

Long enough now?

God.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
2 years ago

“In other words, the natural demand for electric cars was zero and remains low even with the push to manufacture demand.” I think this has always been the thing that I found so odd about the electric car craze. The demand, just ten years ago, wasn’t there; and as you mention, is barely there now. The people had to be told to demand them. And this dovetails nicely with a whole lot of other things people seem to believe, and that there is now (manufactured) demand for: vaccines, more police, bigger government &c. It is no wonder that eco-whackjobs, vexx-pushers,… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  OrangeFrog
2 years ago

“At least if you run a Covidian over in an electric vehicle, you can hear xzher’s bones snap; that’s something I suppose.”

Now THAT is what I call “looking on the bright side”!

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  OrangeFrog
2 years ago

Re Insurrection Day, I listened here to the local Bolshevik in L.A., Bill Handel. Forgive me for laughing out loud during the speech. These nitwits either think they’re giving a speech in Ben Hur, or they really want to start a civil war. Bolshie Bill was gobstoppered. He and his crew fell all over themselves trying to downplay what they had just heard, but you could tell they were stunned by the mendacious stupidity. Glimmers of realization began to flicker in their fogged minds- this, after BB had spent all yesterday morning about the delusions of Trumpist anti-vaxxers who believe… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

“These nitwits either think they’re giving a speech in Ben Hur, … .”

Delicious! A fine turn of phrase!

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

bill handel is a first class cunt. that is all.