Commodus Americanus

Note: The Monday Taki post is up. Not related to the topic of the day, but a topic that is I pray Allah will make more important every day. The Sunday podcast is up behind the green door and it is mostly about the moral crisis of this age.


There is an old expression, “shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations”, that has haunted powerful people since forever. A variation on this is “The first generation makes it. The second generation maintains it and the third generation blows it”. While not an iron law of the universe, it is an observation that has held up over time. Whether it is business empires or political empires, the work of the great man somehow turns into a curse that plagues the lives of his descendents.

The funny thing about this bit of reality is that it is well known and many very smart people have tried to come up with a solution, but the problem remains. In the business world, expert planners work with business owners to help them mitigate this disaster, but only about 10% of family business make it to the grandchildren. The trust system was designed with this in mind. The grandchildren will never amount to much, but at least they will have an allowance to sustain them.

It is fair to say that popular forms of government were invented to address the problem of private rule going sour by the third generation. Caesar Augustus was the great founder of the empire. Tiberius Caesar Augustus was solid, but he suffered from the predictable maladies of every second generation ruler. Caligula is arguably Rome’s most famous lunatic. Of course, we have Claudius, an interregnum of sorts, before we get to Nero, who was literally the end of the line.

The promise of popular government is the elites are in a competition with one another to run the society. The people get to pick the winner, based on their interests. This way the great man does not hand control over to his disinterested son and his disinterested son does not leave things to a maniac. Every generation gets to figure out who is the most fit to rule society. The theory takes the natural hierarchy of society and allows it to keep renewing itself through merit. That is the theory.

Reality seems to be that old adage at the start. We see this with the current ruling classes of the West. They are looking like Commodus, the heir to the great Roman emperor Marcus Aurelius, the last of the five good emperors. Unlike his father, Commodus was much more interested in spectacle and what we would today call bourgeoise degeneracy. It was his excessive self-indulgences and reckless disregard for order that brought an end to the Pax Romana.

Commodus is a good emperor to study when thinking about what is happening with the managerial elite of the American empire. When you look around at this elite, you see a lot of people like Commodus. They were born into privilege, dotted on by parents who dreamed big dreams for them. They came into the world expecting the world to comport to their desires. Most important, you see that appropriation of authority that was never earned, but passed down from the prior generation.

The news currently tells us that we are on the brink of war with Russia over Ukraine and one of the best minds on the job for the Biden team is Jake Sullivan. There is nothing in his resume that says he should be running a hot dog stand, but he has been told his whole life he is fit to rule, so he believes it. Victoria Nulland is another member of the foreign policy brain trust. Her career is best described as one disaster after another, but she was born for the role in every sense.

Look around at the elected class and you see the same pattern. There are no men who went from the middle class to elected office on their own merit. In fact, it is hard to find anyone in national politics who has ever had a job. No one in the leadership of both parties has a line for “private sector” in his resume. The reason for that is they have never done productive work. Instead, like our old friend Commodus, they were groomed from birth to take up positions in the ruling class.

Taken as a whole, the Commodus comparison becomes clear. Marcus Aurelius never would have set foot in the Coliseum, but his feckless son thought himself as Rome’s first entertainer, so he spent a lot of time performing. Our current ruling class looks more like carny folk than the men who built the empire. This is where you see the other comparison to Commodus. Like the doomed emperor, our ruling class cannot stop indulging its increasingly deranged whims.

Historical analogies are never perfect. They only serve as a starting point for understanding the present or the past. One is the fixed understanding while the other side of the analogy is the thing you want to analyze. We know what we need to know about Commodus and many other men like him. He is a familiar type in history because he was part of that long observed phenomenon at the start. This observation was famously applied to civilizations by Oswald Spengler.

What this suggest about the current age is that there is not much that can be done to arrest this cycle once it has begun. The transformation of the American republic into an empire in the 19th century, despite maintaining the republican pretentions, meant that this period was as inevitable as the seasons. That old republican competition was replaced by an imperial selection system, which inevitably results in a generation more interested in being elite than doing the work of an elite.

The question, of course, is what comes next. Rome never returned to its republican nature, but centuries of empire erased it from the collective memory. Depending upon how you mark the beginning, the American empire has been around for no more than a century and less than half that if you use the Cold War as the beginning. Further, most people in the empire think popular government is the only moral choice. In this way, America is more like Athens than Rome.

Again, Commodus may provide some short term answers. Once he proclaimed himself a living god and renamed the city Colonia Lucia Annia Commodiana, it became clear he had to go, so he was assassinated. This set off a power struggle, a period known as the Year of Five Emperors. Septimius Severus was eventually able to defeat the various factions and claim control of the empire. The Severin dynasty was short-lived, however, and was followed by The Crisis of the Third Century.

In other words, the correction to the generational decline was a housecleaning of the elite in a period of turmoil. If you date the start of the American empire to Gettysburg, then this means a series of crisis until North American returns to its natural divisions that have been there since the Founding. If you date the empire to the middle of the last century, then maybe the end is a return to mid-century normalcy. Regardless of your preferred future, all paths lead through a crisis.


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The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

A judge in Wisconsin attempted to block 7 people from changing jobs:

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/wisconsin-judge-amazingly-rules-7-health-care-workers-cannot-switch-jobs

We are getting perilously close to returning to the law of the jungle…

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

I read the article.

How is that even enforceable?

Nikolai Vladivostok
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
2 years ago

It’s been reversed. Looks like they were only blocked from changing jobs for a day or two. Still, it’s scandalous that the case made it to court. Judges should throw out frivolous claims on sight and fine the culprits for wasting court resources.
https://www.postcrescent.com/story/news/2022/01/21/what-we-know-ascension-thedacare-court-battle-over-employees/6607417001/

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

A gesture toward hereditary occupations? The “elites” want no competition from hoi polloi either for themselves, or for their spawn, hence thoroughgoing limitations on social mobility; so much safer this way to perpetuate the “meritocracy”. Add on to this a racial dimension, and the subcontinentals could feel right at home with the makings of familiar, hereditary castes. With them in the catbird seat, naturally.

The True Nolan
The True Nolan
Reply to  JerseyJeffersonian
2 years ago

I just wanted to say that your comment is the first I have seen in ages that correctly uses the term “hoi polloi” instead of the more common (and incorrect) “THE hoi polloi”.

Gobsmack
Gobsmack
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

You can’t get worked up about legal reporting. It’s all shit because the reporters have no idea what they’re writing about and misinterpret things all the time, yes on our side as well. Mish is very much a midwit in this regard & has been for years.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

What is happening now is straight out of Glubb, and probably very parallel to Spengler. I have never read Spengler but you can read Glubb in 30 minutes. And there are so many of Glubb’s symptoms of decay present; frivolity, cynicism, areligiousity, corruption, focus on money instead of honor or glory, worship of entertainers instead of people of genuine accomplishment, elevation of women in public life and influx of foreigners to name some. One should not be distracted if there are some elements in which America may be more like Athens than Rome. Some have argued that America and Britain… Read more »

Red Forman
Red Forman
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

Excellent comment. But how does one envision that happening, in the unlikely event that it ever does? Probably the most realistic scenario is that the republican party sweeps the midterms and presidency in 2024. Then some generals — not the Mark Milley types — and some in the intelligence community work to destroy the democrat party so that it’s never competitive again; the thing dissolves like the old Whig and Federalist parties while its members (Jan 6th committee) are criminally prosecuted for their crimes. With the democrats gone, the worst elements of Leftism, feminism, and black racial grievance mongering are… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Red Forman
2 years ago

Thanks. In the above I restricted to what I think we should do and share your problem with seeing a viable road to doing it. OTOH, from Martin Luther to Lenin to Hitler to Gandhi, most successful revolutionaries, regardless of morality or program, seems to first have formulated an idea of what they needed to do and then went looking for a way to do it according to their circumstances. And serendipity of course plays a major role.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Red Forman
2 years ago

Great if it were to happen that way, but it seems the least likely scenario. More likely: 1. Red wave barely gets majority in Senate, maybe slim majority in house. Even if red wave occurs, enough “based” Goppers cuck to make it pointless. Business continues as per current. 2024 stolen again. 2. No red wave bc stolen or enough gop voters only have grifters running (cf Cringeshaw). Business as usual. 2024 stolen. What will happen is secession, but not through willful choice or force of arms. Rather, the USD will get replaced or ignored as reserve currency commensurate with declining… Read more »

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

Your chance of a reversal is zero sorry to say. There are a lot of reasons for it but three stand out to me #1 There is no agree upon civic framework or eugenic region. #2 We are too apathetic and soft. If we were the type of people willing to use collective punishment, three generational liability and swift brutal public justice i we wouldn’t be here. #3 We aren’t Paladins fighting for civilization . We are men and men for for their battle brothers, family or their gain. Nothing is being offered by anyone worth the trouble. And this… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  A.B Prosper
2 years ago

If only Lenin and Hitler had been as realistic as you the West might not have been in such dire straights. Your points are perfectly reasonable. To be a successful revolutionary or rebel leader, you need two contradictory traits; a contemptuous disdain for long odds. And an acute sense of political tactics and opportunities. And a third factor, luck. To be the right age at the right time. There are probably always people with Lenin’s or Hitler’s or, if you want a positive example, George Washington’s, innate abilities for revolution, around. But this is only a useful profile when the… Read more »

jerome
jerome
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

Athens would be a better example of sea power unless you intend to insult the British and Americans. Considering the efforts the French have exerted over the years to undermine the Habsburg empire by allying with the Ottomans, and the incessant attacks against the Catholic church they would be best suited to the role of the alien and ruthless Carthaginians.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
2 years ago

Replying to my fellow Cossacks below: Look, anti-Semitism is jarring as a sales message, and even an ardent follower like me gets bored with it. Yes, they punch above their weight in terms of cultural impact, but so do Negroes. No, they aren’t the only bad bunch operating. Look how the English treated the Irish. So, how to deal with my ardor? And such a self-induced obstacle? Realize that what we’re seeing has a better descriptor: Gangsterism. They were hired as gypsy mercenaries by the Canaanites, and they haven’t changed. Mafias work, they are effective tribal strategies at their scale.… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
2 years ago

Invoking Godwin’s Law in the comments, I do want to thank the Z for slyly pointing out the origin of the insane Holocaust religion, and its the civilizational reset of our moral values- the banal evil of White, MLK Civil Rights, postmodernism’s “there is no truth”, Jaffa’s Lincoln, the hideous Nuremberg kangaroo trials, an industry of historical fiction, etc etc.

All of this wrecker’s madness…from a single copy of a concocted forgery in a dodgy Communist lawyer’s briefcase:

The Protocols of the Elders of Wannsee.

Bilejones
Member
2 years ago

Ah, Z-Man, you only wrote this piece to cheer me up.

If only…

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The real Bill
The real Bill
2 years ago

The ‘shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves’ phenomenon seems to have its roots in human nature, together with the way traits are passed down (or not) from generation to generation: The combination of foresight, vision, drive, ambition, ability, opportunity, and perseverance which enabled the founder to succeed, is a rare one; which won’t necessarily be passed down to his children. Some of it is undoubtedly genetic, and some the product of the founder’s circumstances: a unique combination of nature and nurture which his children’s experience will almost certainly not duplicate. Like Blacks being offered welfare, the founder’s children are more likely to take… Read more »

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
2 years ago

I thought it was Lincoln who turned America into an empire? The Civil War marked the beginning of the roach motel theory of American statehood, where once you became a state, you can never leave and where the feds became the only real power in the empire. It was obviously a lot worse once the second world war created the military industrial complex and massively expanded the size and scope of government. But from what I understand, it is just a difference in degree and that the real damage to the republic was under Lincoln. That’s why the Neocons love… Read more »

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  tarstarkas
2 years ago

That’s my understanding as well:
that the War of Northern Aggression and its aftermath of ‘Reconstruction’ fundamentally changed the picture, by increasing the power of the FedGov to the point where the States were secondary actors. That’s where the founders’ vision received its death blow. In a sense, everything since then has followed from that one monumental usurpation of power.

Anonymous White Male
Anonymous White Male
Reply to  The real Bill
2 years ago

Not only that, but the Northern Aggressors made sure to give negroes federal citizenship. Have you ever known a country in the history of the world “give” citizenship to non-racial kinsmen? Especially to such a primitive one? Sure, some empires sold citizenship, but “gave” citizenship? Plus, the White people of “America” were lassoed into accepting federal citizenship. Prior to the 14th Amendment, all citizens were considered State citizens. You were not a citizen of the United States, you were a citizen of, say, Texas, which was in the (lower case u) united States, not of a federal jurisdiction. The Constitution… Read more »

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Anonymous White Male
2 years ago

England, Germany, France, Sweden….

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  tarstarkas
2 years ago

Agreed, but happily as the global empire stumbles, it looks like the continental empire might go with it. Power seems to be devolving back to the states by necessity.

With that said, and in that case, I hope it’s a return to federalism and not a complete collapse. Time will tell.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

If the regime manages to start a major war in Ukraine with the goal of imposing martial law in the US I would not be surprised if a guy like DeSantis fired up the 10th Amendment.

wasp
wasp
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

if you find yourself with ability and integrity, run for position in state or local government

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  wasp
2 years ago

When does your comedy tour start?

You can’t exist in a gangster culture unless you are one. The other gangsters will just wipe you out.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

An honest man of integrity in politics is like a sheep trying to join a pack of wolves. That’s where we are today.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  tarstarkas
2 years ago

It’s a phenomenon I’ve noted where justice is always found by going farther up the ladder Your city judge screwed you? He’s a local yokel. Take it to the state court Your state screwed you over, denied your rights? Take it to the federal courts. The federal courts screwed you? You have to take it to the SCOTUS Now we are here at the end of the line. But the population has been conditioned especially since the civil rights era, to take every grievance as high up the chain as possible where you will always find justice in the wisdom… Read more »

ArthurinCali
2 years ago

The current saber-rattling and machinations between Russia and NATO (i. e. The US) could bring on the final act.

Just think what the survivors of a possible thermonuclear war will say as they sit around the fire. How they will extrapolate on the causes of the war and why a small former satellite providence of the former USSR led to their current horrific existence.

That’s to say if there is even survivors to begin with.

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  ArthurinCali
2 years ago

IMO, there’s no way the US goes to war over Ukraine. Or Taiwan either, for that matter. If there’s anything that would sink the Biden administration, that would be it. The fact that they’re impotently blustering about stopping these invasions— when they have no intention of doing anything more than threatening– is a measure of their extraordinary lack of understanding of how power relations work. Somehow our “statesmen” fail to realize that making a threat, and then not carrying it out, is worse than saying nothing at all. But even they are not stupid enough to bring America into a… Read more »

ArthurinCali
Reply to  The real Bill
2 years ago

I agree with the points raised about how they do not have the intention to begin a war on purpose.

My concern is that the adversary always has a vote. Putting a strike group in the Black Sea, moving troops around in an attempt at amateur hour on the stage of geopolitical diplomacy is dicey at best.

If we had actual statesman and not empty suits ruling over us, this would make for less uneasy times.

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  ArthurinCali
2 years ago

Agreed. And let’s not forget Iran, who we seem to be doing all we can to goad into starting a war. Good for Israel maybe, but not for America.

It’s not unimaginable that at some point China may decide, on the basis of some pretext, to declare war on us; perhaps even in alliance with Iran and/or Russia. Just not yet.

One of the worst aspects of our current treatment of Russia, China, and Iran is how our policies seem to be creating a situation where mutual collaboration will be in their best interest.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  The real Bill
2 years ago

“Somehow our “statesmen” fail to realize that making a threat, and then not carrying it out, is worse than saying nothing at all. ” In the age from the spear to the tank this was indisputably true. In the age of the nuke, it is more fuzzy. Conventional strategy, from Alexander the Great to George Patton, is like chess. Nuclear strategy is like poker, no holds barred. Psychologically they are also entirely different. From Caesar to Rommel, you want yoru men fired up maximally. The harder you drive the greater the chance of killing the enemy. World War I may… Read more »

tuco22
tuco22
Reply to  The real Bill
2 years ago

Oh, yes, they are.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  ArthurinCali
2 years ago

We may not be that lucky.

Commentators elsewhere have theorized that the regime sees endless war in Ukraine as the replacement for the endless war in Afghanistan grifting operation.

I think that may be partially correct because there are definitely elements of the regime that want to see the alphabet soup flag flying over the Kremlin.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

Until Russia says “fuck this I’ve had enough” and obliterates a carrier group.

Given I live in Europe I really don’t fancy living in a massive continent wide war caused by Mr fucking potato head and his Zionist diaper changers over the butthurt that the parasites got kicked out of Russia 20 years ago.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  ArthurinCali
2 years ago

As far as I know Russia began around key cities roughly around the 800s. Novgorod, NE of Moscow and Kyiv, were the two first and Moscow came later or came later to prominence. Ivan the Terrible, from Moscow conquered Novgorod and Kyiv and the ball rolled from there, or something like that. The point is, Kyiv and hence the Ukraine, were about as central to the founding of Russia as Virginia or Massachusetts to America. It is one of the early nuclei, roughly 800 yrs or so before (800s vs 1600s). And I know of no sustained period where Kyiv… Read more »

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

In case any people are wondering how Winnie Mandella and the ANC leadership would act with nuclear weapons, it looks like we may be about to find out.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

Peter Botha or whomever it was, killing the SA nuke program on their way out, was a pivotal example of altruistic race realism.

At some point, white strategists in France, Britain and America may be faced with a similar dilemma. Oh how we F’ed up….

Vajynabush
Vajynabush
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
2 years ago

And yet Ukraine has long been thought of a national entity, with a self-identified people who speak a tongue called Ukranian that, while similar to Russian is different enough to be considered a separate language and not a dialect.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Vajynabush
2 years ago

Like ebonics to English

Andy Texan
Reply to  ArthurinCali
2 years ago

The puppeteers want conflict with Russia and the puppets in charge jump when their strings are jerked.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
2 years ago

The best posts, like this one, are the ones in which I have nothing to add. I can only make an observation, that I’ve made before. When our Empire goes, unlike so many others, what great works of art and architecture will it leave behind? Our best art was either imported directly from Europe between 1850-1950 or artists themselves who came directly from Europe. Sure we have home grown painters here and there and some home grown literature, just like we have a pretty building here and there. But nothing like the deep bench of a fallen European empire. We’ve… Read more »

The hand that mocked them
The hand that mocked them
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

This tragedy is compounded by the concerted efforts of the barbarians within the gates doing their level best to ruin what few great works of art and architecture we have.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  The hand that mocked them
2 years ago

For those people they cannot let stand any artifact that brings home just how ignorant and useless they are. It is a source of continual internal pain to their self image.

It is better to destroy all the things that make one feel small and live in a garbage heap, rather than raise your eyes to heaven and be uplifted at the towering achievement of your ancestors.

Darcy
Darcy
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

What’s especially maddening is how many of our beautiful cities have been destroyed by diversity and outsourcing. Detroit, in particular, has some grand architecture which has fallen into ruin. Even now, our people could be living and prospering there if only the elites hadn’t favored and/or forced policies that drove our people out.

As the saying goes, never forget what they took from you.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Darcy
2 years ago

My grandmother’s sister owned a corner store my father grew up next to. Surprisingly, it’s still there. But it’s got a giant EBT card mural across the front of it now. And, of course, bars. Lots of bars on the windows and door. It’s a slum. One of the major things which destroyed our cities was WW2. While they weren’t bombed, they got something worse than bombs. IQ testing among other things meant the military was close to a 100% White. A lot of Blacks moved from the rural South up to the North to work in the factories which… Read more »

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  tarstarkas
2 years ago

Indeed!

Not that long ago, Baltimore was known as “Charm City”!

America’s cities rapidly declining as they became majority Black and Whites fled from the resulting crime wave; Africa rapidly declining economically and socially after the White European colonizers left; Europe today rapidly degrading as more and more African Blacks invade; the pattern is clear.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Darcy
2 years ago

In the aftermath of the Mount St. Helens eruption, there have been countless “scientists” who’ve expressed surprise at how quickly the surrounding environs have regenerated. It makes me think of our once-beautiful Rust Belt cities. If the vibrancy was removed in one fell swoop, how long would it take for your Detroits, your Milwaukees, or your Buffalos to recapture some portion of the beauty and vitality they once possessed?

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  KGB
2 years ago

Remove all the “people of color”, and it would just be a matter of time.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  The real Bill
2 years ago

And no amount of being proven wrong ever dissuades them. No matter how bad our cities have gotten could ever get them to reevaluate the idea that “diversity” (non-Whites) is just this magical property that makes everything better.

The failure to predict the recovery in Mount St. Helen’s ecology will never make them doubt themselves. It’s like the concept of self doubt doesn’t exist to them. If anything, failure makes them MORE confident, not less.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Darcy
2 years ago

Much like the meme showing detroit from the end of the war and Hiroshima.

And then showing them now.

As it says nuclear weapons are less of a problem than blacks.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

Yep, you’ve touched on an observation/distinction worth noting. Cities are nothing, except a reflection of their populations. As noted above, to fix Detroit, fix the resident population. That’s why I don’t lose too much sleep over our large metro areas in decline, but I do lose sleep over our demographic change.

Lucius Sulla
Lucius Sulla
Reply to  Darcy
2 years ago

Part of me wonders if a few well-placed nukes from Putin or Xi would actually help save America and its cities. Allow for a complete rebuild like Hiroshima.

Would the blast radius reach 20 miles outside of Chicago?

tuco22
tuco22
Reply to  Lucius Sulla
2 years ago

Check out Henry Gruver’s visions on Steve Quayle’s website.

Rando
Rando
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

I’d say the biggest cause of the lack of great achievements in art and architecture here in America was the fact that for most of our history we had our time consumed by the work of settling and taming a frontier. By the time we closed in on settling the wilderness, the rot had already set in. Most of the more impressive examples in the arts are clustered in the Eastern part of the USA, which was the region first settled. In contrast, even in the early days of the Greeks and the Romans their homelands had been occupied and… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

I agree with you. However, literature is the one area of the arts in which America made real contributions. Poe, Twain, Hemingway, Faulkner, London, Dickinson, Sandberg, Frost, Stevens, Miller, etc. stack up with the greats of any country.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

This is absolutely true. Literature was a major artistic achievement for the United States, which at one point was about to achieve parity with Russia. Predictably, that has now stopped and the crisis in mediocrity has spread to literature, which features basically subliterate minorities who are published solely because they are subliterate minorities. Literature was the last American artistic contribution to go. I read a compelling piece recently that contradicts, to a point, J.R.’s larger point. From the time of the Revolution until about 1850, the United States was seen as a rising star in architecture and even music. D.C.,… Read more »

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  Jack Dobson
2 years ago

Indeed!

When they’re removing statues of Robert E Lee, and replacing them with statues of George Floyd— and denouncing as “White supremacists” anyone who objects— the process of erasing our heritage has already begun.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  The real Bill
2 years ago

And as has been pointed out, it won’t stop with removal of Southern hero’s, like Robert E Lee. The other day, Teddy Roosevelt was removed from in front of the NYC Museum of Natural History.

They remove these *White* historical monuments because they can. It’s all part of the process to demoralize the founding stock of this (once) great nation.

BeAprepper
BeAprepper
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

Emerson, Thoreau, Melville. William James, although known as a psychologist was a wonderful writer.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  BeAprepper
2 years ago

And Longfellow.

Maus
Maus
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

Indeed. Being a land of free men, Americans built castles of the mind rather than of stone. A pioneer holding a book with calloused hands, dirt still beneath his nails, and reading it by candlelight or kerosene lamp in his own humble log cabin was far more blessed than a serf collapsing in exhausted sleep after a day of corvee labor done for his overlord’s benefit rather than his own. American literature reflects the American mind, one of unfettered imagination yet grounded in practical common sense. It is replete with stories where cleverness of thought is married to bold action.… Read more »

Peabody
Peabody
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

Yes! Several of the comments today make me think of Willa Cather’s great novel My Antonia about Norwegian immigrants settling in the Midwest. It was a damn hard life, dangerous, and the possibility of starvation was always right around the corner. People forget. They think the US was always one big tacky shopping mall.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

” Poe, Twain, Hemingway, Faulkner, London, Dickinson, Sandberg, Frost, Stevens, Miller, etc. stack up with the greats of any country.”

I do like well done satire.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

We won’t leave behind that Robert E. Lee statue, or the one they just removed in NYC of Teddy Roosevelt, or the one of Nathan Bedford Forrest, and some others. But of course the George Floyd statues will remain.

Stranger in a Strange Land
Stranger in a Strange Land
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

ya’ beat me to it…and lest we forget, with all due respec: The Rev. Dr. (Peace be on Him) Martin Lutha King.

Pete
Pete
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

Yes all statues or pictures of white people will be removed and destroyed. The interesting thing will be that all books will go electronic (Kindle), so the conquerors will be able to remove any record of white people from history by simply putting in the books that Romans, Vikings, British and so forth were black. Change the illustrations to match and boom, done. For existing monuments like the Arc de Triomphe, just say the architect Jean-François Chalgrin was black. They are already doing it in movies (black Anne Boleyn, black Achilles, etc). I estimate whites will be extinct in about… Read more »

interplanet Janet
interplanet Janet
Reply to  Pete
2 years ago

there won’t be any records left at all because the “griots” cannot write, we will be worshiping the books as objects of veneration like the Eloi..

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  interplanet Janet
2 years ago

If you think Blacks will be worshiping books I think you might need get your medication altered.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  interplanet Janet
2 years ago

You are correct Trumpton.

As my former partner used to say,”Blacks avoid books like Superman avoids Kryptonite”.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

Ape historians, 2500 A.D., recovering a George Floyd statue from the ruins:

“See! Our ancestors built all this!”

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

PS- Ape historians: “…so that was what King George looked like, before he founded his new capitol and renamed himself George Washington.”

tuco22
tuco22
Reply to  Wolf Barney
2 years ago

When the shit hits the proverbial fan, no one will care much about George Floyd statues.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

The Chrysler Building and the Brooklyn Bridge are pretty cool, but yeah, most of our best architecture isn’t distinctly American, and our arts and letters never developed as they could’ve.

It’s a matter of timing. America came along with the modern world, and modernity has no use for the human spirit.

Diversity Heretic
Member
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

The moon landing in 1969 was pretty impressive; probably the highlight of the American empire.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
2 years ago

The three magic negresses aside, watch any footage that relates to the moon landings and something very white and male will jump out at you. When we started letting women in the cockpit and the control room (not to mention insisting that the flight crews resemble a Benneton ad), our program began to atrophy and we lost two vehicles. When Apollo 12 was struck by lightning during launch, it was a white man who troubleshot the ensuing issues in a matter of seconds and probably saved the mission. If that happened today? God speed the crew.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  KGB
2 years ago

On the subject of rewriting history, guess the ethnicity of the toad who started the “the Moon landings were fake” meme.

Yup. They will leave us nothing.

pecosbill
pecosbill
Reply to  KGB
2 years ago

After a pause, American space exploration has bounced back to something of its former spectacular accomplishments. We have advanced mars robot rovers and an accompanying helicopter exploring the Martian surface, plus satellites circling the red planet gathering data and photos that will keep scientific analysts busy for years. Meanwhile other space probes explore the outer planets of the solar system and the moons of Jupiter and Saturn. Recently launched James Webb observatory in orbit around the sun seems to be on track without a hitch. Webb went up on a French heavy lift vehicle from France’s space facilities in South… Read more »

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
2 years ago

Like 911 that was a stageshow, an illusion to create a consensus. We’ve been set up, lied to, bullshitted and programmed for a long. long time.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  JR Wirth
2 years ago

I don’t think it is fair to America to say that they have generated little of genuine cultural value compared to Europe. First of, Europe generates nothing of value today. Maybe America is the same now but still. Secondly, Europe had far longer to do it. Thirdly, technology and hence the medium of art, has changed drastically. America spearheaded the cinema, jazz, rock’n’roll, did much in early photography (early jazz and rock WERE culture IMO and should not be judged by the fact that they were later overtaken by decadence and trash to the point that ‘n*gga killin’ bitchin’ cops… Read more »

imbroglio
imbroglio
2 years ago

I’d date the origin of the American Empire to the Spanish-American War. Tucker recently lamented the takedown of Teddy Roosevelt’s statue that greeeted visitors at one of the New York museums. Symbolic of the analogy. If Victoria was a First and if Edward VI was the indifferent second, George V did appreciably well and it was Edward VII who’d’ve been the feckless Third though a Fourth. Then if George VI was an interim and if Elizabeth II is a First, Charles would be an indifferent second and no one knows what William may become though Harry may well be a… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  imbroglio
2 years ago

The Empire really started with the Civil War and the subsequent conquest of what remained of the untamed West. The Spanish-American War signaled a turn toward the rest of the world, and the unending occupation of Europe since WWII marked the permanence of Empire.

Besides the hideous ramifications, the saber rattling with Russia of late has revealed the Europeans may be ready to expel the Empire. We are seeing the first feints that way.

Brandon Lasko
Brandon Lasko
Reply to  imbroglio
2 years ago

Strauss and Howe classify the Millennials as the Hero archetype, same as the Greatest Generation. So far I’m not very impressed.

Darcy
Darcy
Reply to  Brandon Lasko
2 years ago

They’re heroes for Globohomo.

Today, for a young person to be considered a “good person” by society, they’ve got to embrace and support all kinds of degeneracy — gay marriage, trannies, race-mixing, anti-white policies, etc.

Is it any wonder, considering that the Left controls all of the propaganda centers?

Red Foreman
Red Foreman
Reply to  Brandon Lasko
2 years ago

As much as I despise Millennials, it’s not hard for me to see. The oldest Millennials aren’t even 40. They’re the generation that grew up with wokeness but are now starting to get red pilled … and they also too old to be involved with idiocies like TikTok. I could see a hero arising in that generation in a decade or two. Napoleon was ~36 at the time of his coronation, but the average French life expectancy was much less. If we adjust for that fact, our Napoleon could be a Millennial in his mid to late 40s sometime in… Read more »

Firewire7
Firewire7
2 years ago

Re: Shirtsleeve-to-shirtsleeve, I wonder what the secret of the small handful of banking dynasties is. A few have avoided the three generation round trip.

The Rothchilds, of course (founded in the 1760s, so about 10 generations), Hoare & Company in London, also about 10 generations, Warburg founded in Hamburg in 1798, with roots in Rennaisance Venice … somehow they figured out how to create and sustain actual functional dynasties.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Firewire7
2 years ago

There are videos of one of them openly discussing how those families, “…keep love in the family.”

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

It worked for the Egyptian royals. Consanguinity (‘cousin’ marriage) reinforces dominant traits, along with the affordable cost of the expendable recessives.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Alzaebo
2 years ago

Look at a statue of cleopatra and tell me what defining feature stands out?

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Consanguinity and lines that may not be what you think.

The Booby
The Booby
2 years ago

“Caesar Augustus was the great founder of the empire. Tiberius Caesar Augustus was solid, but he suffered from the predictable maladies of every second generation ruler. Caligula is arguably Rome’s most famous lunatic.” Even more frightening is that the superstructure of the Empire remained intact for over three more centuries after Caligula, during which time it was devoured from within by decadence, civil wars, Christianity, and various other forms of decay. I don’t have three centuries to wait. Even more frightening is that once the empire’s superstructure finally went kaput in the 470s we had roughly a millennium of violent… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  The Booby
2 years ago

The pace of change is much greater now than it was in antiquity and the middle ages. We won’t have to wait long…

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

And it’s truly extraordinary when you think about it: the ‘digital age’— of instantly-available information via the internet, and instant global communication via cellphones— has only been with us for the last 20 or 30 years. And look how much it’s already changed us, and the way we conduct our lives.

Who can imagine what our world will be like 100 years from now?

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  The real Bill
2 years ago

My gut tells me there will be a global cataclysm of some sort within the next 100 years that returns us, if not to the stone age, then at least to the 17th century. From a technological standpoint, we are at the apex of human history. We’re also at the end of the line.

I.M.
I.M.
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

Fossil fuel depletion will lead to energy poverty which will lead to economic decay / collapse, which will lead to violent instability, especially in the previously prosperous west.

The only hope of staving this off is widespread deployment of nuclear power, but that’s become culturally unacceptable and still requires fossil fuels to bootstrap it.

So you say 17th century which seems about right, but it will take a very long time for mankind to relearn how to do things with technology at that level.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

Is that like all the fossil fuels on Titan and in the Horsehead Nebula?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

Trumpton: Ice volcanos and gasoline rivers. Is that ccol or what?

I denounce Elon and his hardy band of white imperialists venturing forth to oppress the indigenous squids living in harmony with nature under the ice.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
2 years ago

Nuke power is certainly the way to go for any number of reasons, but not the diminishment of fossil fuels. This country—and others—literally lives on a sea of coal. We measure it in terms of hundreds of years supply—at current use rates. Yeah, it’s dirty and such to burn, but it’s plentiful.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  The Booby
2 years ago

Lots of nice cathedrals built and strong philosophy happened between the fall of the empiore and the Renaissance. The Enlightenment itself was just a high from the fumes of the Renaissance.

Drake
Drake
2 years ago

Off the top of my head, the only Senators I can think of who made a living for themselves prior to politics are Ron Johnson and Rand Paul. My Governor (Murphy) made a lot money in the investment banking grift, but it’s not as if he ever had to make a payroll like Johnson – or perform surgery like Paul.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Always thought actor/lawyer Fred Thompson was an interesting guy. He was a Senator from TN for a term-an-a-half.

Had presidential aspirations for a short time. Enjoyed him as an actor, and as a Senator he really conveyed the “I can’t believe I’m working with these idiots” when he was in the Senate.

Best line as an actor as an Admiral in the Hunt for Red October “Son, the Russians don’t take a dump without a plan.”

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  ProZNoV
2 years ago

Thompson was pitch perfect in that film.

“It will get out of control and we’ll be lucky to live through it!”

https://youtu.be/YZuMe5RvxPQ

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Drake
2 years ago

Senator Mike Rounds from South Dakota was a partner in an insurance firm until he became Governor in 2002. His dad had worked in state government and he had been in the part time legislature also. He is also a back bencher for a Senator. My impression is that most people who have success in business would rather buy access and influence than actually run for office. The process is such a degrading circus now why would they want to do it.

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  Barnard
2 years ago

Rand Paul is another example.
He was born into a political family, but practiced ophthalmology in the private sector for 17 years— from1993 until 2010— when he successfully ran for his current seat in the Senate.

But a couple outlier examples don’t disprove the point: that most Senators have no experience of the real world.

Falcone
Falcone
2 years ago

Following up the analogies, Kamala is Caligula’s horse

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Falcone
2 years ago

Was Incitatus the product of lunacy, or a raised middle finger at the senate?

I’ve heard historians say that Caligula wasn’t nuts at all. He was the Donald Trump of his day, and he got the same treatment Trump got from the chattering skulls and scribblarians of the day.

It’s plausible I suppose…

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Glenfilthie
2 years ago

Hoofs Up Harris

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Falcone
2 years ago

That laugh, like Mr. Ed’s breigh

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  Falcone
2 years ago

Falcone,

Methinks you need the services of a visual artist to fully explore that thought…..

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Falcone
2 years ago

Not to get spergy, but the point of naming a horse a Senator was to gauge loyalty to the new emperor.

Anyone questioning it was put on a “naughty” list. The Romans were very creative dealing with “naughties”.

It’s like the opposite of “the Emperor’s Clothes” story. Where the kid gets garrotted because he wouldn’t go along with the fantasy.

Going to be the same with knee-pad Harris.

Nikolai Vladivostok
Reply to  Falcone
2 years ago

That got funnier the more I thought about it.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
2 years ago

Kind of interesting how the managerial class or ‘deep state’ as some call it evolved as a check against incompetent elites, yet it’s become sclerotic too, and arguably more troublesome. Jefferson had some radical ideas about periodic revolution and tearing up the Constitution every couple of decades iirc. Tough questions I can only guess at. In theory, you make the kids earn their inheritance, but what if they don’t deserve it, and how, as a parent, do you judge them objectively and resist the urge to ‘help’ them? Yet families and nations go on, so there has to be an… Read more »

Astralturf
Astralturf
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

It’s probably a matter of aristocratic blood; that is, a true elite. Long lived houses had special genetics that were maintained via careful breeding. Maybe they went back to the Aryan conquerers or even Atlantis! They weren’t just descendants of some guy who improved a manufacturing process and sold a lot of cars. The three generation thing always makes think of a Chinese laundry, not a dynastic house.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Astralturf
2 years ago

Yeah, but eventually you get monarchs who look like twins even though they’re cousins lol. European royalty got inbred and lost control to bankers, who are looking inbred too these days, and they seem to be losing their grip as well.

So yeah, there’s something about the blood, but you need some outcrossing!

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Astralturf
2 years ago

Why do you think they keep all the peerage records going back centuries (and longer)?

Its just a horse breeding livestock book to them. Its why they still have lots of arranged marriages get a few children then often divorce and get remarried to an earlier partner.

The upper classes in England were often doing this all the way back when it was extremely uncommon in the general populace.

Maus
Maus
Reply to  Paintersforms
2 years ago

With children, you give them just enough rope to secure themselves — hopefully with some accompanying life instructions — but not enough to hang themselves if they decide to stray from the path. As an attorney with some experience of estate planning, I advise parents to be as fair as possible with their gifts. It’s usually better to teach your children that they have a duty to care for their siblings in times of adversity than it is to favor one over others out of a preconceived notion that he or she likely will have greater need. Of course, this… Read more »

TomA
TomA
2 years ago

Once again, nuts & bolts. The disease is obvious and hence Joe Normie will flock to the polls in November in a vain effort to right the ship by kicking the Ds to the curb. Which is like gulping aspirin to cure your Stage 4 rectal cancer. Simply put, this does not work, it just delays the inevitable surgery. Nothing will change until the environment changes. There has to be a collapse, followed by a fog of chaos, followed a rise of antibodies, followed by an exodus of disease cells, followed by a return of natural fitness selection. The genome… Read more »

Mr C
Mr C
Reply to  TomA
2 years ago

I’m not sure what a bolt from the blue is. Becoming John Rambo is a romantic thought, but I don’t think a “collapse” will happen. Disappearing is no way to live. Let’s hope rational people have some extra resources in case of an emergency, but if the SHTF, we are all going to die.

For some reason I feel like posts like yours get all us readers placed on watch lists.

Good hunting!

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Mr C
2 years ago

I’m guessing you’re new here, so I will summarize. The Rambo meme came out of your head, not mine; and I have long argued that that archetype is exactly wrong for many reasons. Read up on Medal of Honor recipients for the correct comparison. Second, not becoming incognito is exactly how you get on a list to be rounded up and shipped off to a labor camp. Just ask Alexandr Solzhenitsyn. Third, defeatism makes you worthy of dying in a labor camp. Liberty properly belongs to those who will fight for it.

Spingehra
Spingehra
Reply to  TomA
2 years ago

The more it changes… Human nature stays Have been working on the second paragraph stuff ever since I could. It’s a never ending herculean task. Fingers to the bone. We’ve got the acres the water bullets beans & bandages. But time is never on anyone’s side. We’re grandparents now. We are accelerating as best we can. If & when the really real shtf I don’t expect to see the other side. When you have to fight it don’t always go your way. Just make damn sure it ain’t free for the bastards. Goodbye for now y’all & best of luck… Read more »

Lucius Sulla
Lucius Sulla
2 years ago

Related, interesting poll released today (of course, it is an NBC News poll, so cannot be fully trusted, but maybe they cannot even hide the bad news). https://www.zerohedge.com/political/dark-outlook-dismal-nbc-poll-reveals-most-americans-think-country-going-downhill-and-lost Not surprisingly, one thing not broken out in the details (believe me, I went through them) is how this outlook varies (or not) by race. I would love to know if whites have a more dismal outlook for this country as compared to others. They do note that 75% of the respondents to the poll are white, so they have the data, but choose not to share this cut. If nothing else,… Read more »

Stranger in a Strange Land
Stranger in a Strange Land
2 years ago

Seems the progression may result in something resembling a mash up of three movies: Brazil, Being There, and Idiocracy (maybe Dr. Strangelove too – just for some military hi-jinx)

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
2 years ago

After the chaos of Nero and autocratic blundering of Domitian, Rome got lucky and had some capable emperors who were without sons/heirs. They came upon the convenient and expedient solution of adoption. So we got Trajan, then his nephew Hadrian (who was likely gay in addition to being very capable), Antoninus Pius then Marcus Aurelius, through a series of “adoptions”. The Roman elites went along with this expedient because they saw the need to get the most capable people to the top, to avoid chaos and to avoid autocratic, incompetent dynasties. Of course, it only worked for a little while.… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

The Russia/Ukraine situation is stunning. Literally, no one wants what’s going on. No one in Europe gives a crap about the Ukraine and most of the European leaders agree with Putin that Russian should have a buffer zone. The American public couldn’t find the Ukraine on a map and couldn’t care less about it. They certainly don’t want war with Russia. The leaders of the rest of world see this for what it is: America needlessly – and unfairly – poking around in the business of other countries. And if that’s not enough, the U.S. will end up looking weak… Read more »

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

Oh, they are watching. But something is going on. Putin could take the Ukraine this morning and be mopping up by the time Biden gets his diaper changed. Why the dramatic build up?

The Iranians raise hob when Americans elect weak leaders. They made Jimmeh Carduh dance while they shot at his feet, and made Obutthole pay for their lunches. They’d have done the same to Clinton but he fired a few Tomahawks at them to sober them up. China has gone suspiciously quiet.

Something big is up.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

There are many reasons the regime wants war in Ukraine.

One that comes to mind is that such a war would enable them to permanently bury all evidence of their grifts.

Another is that it would give the regime legal cover to impose martial law in the US and start putting people in camps.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

Another reason-

The fools in charge can make bank selling US LNG to Europe at eye-watering prices while posturing as greenies for the domestic front.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
2 years ago

If only Putin’s soldiers could quickly take possession of any and all evidence of Ukranian payouts to Biden, Vindman, et al. and promptly made it public.

Andy Texan
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

Obviously somebody wants it. (Perhaps behind the scenes.) The Russia/Ukraine obsession vanished with Trump but has returned with vengeance. Ukraine & Washington DC have a lot in common, both being puppet regimes.

Lucius Sulla
Lucius Sulla
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

FREDO Taken care of me. You’re my kid brother and you take care of me. Did you ever think about that — did you ever once think about that. Send FREDO off to do this — send FREDO off to do that! Let FREDO to take care of some Mickey Mouse night club somewhere! Send FREDO to pick somebody up at the airport! I’m your older brother Mike and I was stepped over! MICHAEL That’s the way Pop wanted it. FREDO It ain’t the way I wanted it! I can handle things I’m smart — not like everyone says —… Read more »

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

I know you don’t see ‘j00s in your sandwiches’ but in this case, there pretty much is one in your sandwich. Let’s run just the *top* the roster of people fomenting this shall we? Victoria Nuland Col. Vinman Anthony Blinken Avril Haines (Director of National Int) Ron Klain Now figure out what is the common denominator here. You see the problem is there are still too many Europeans in the world. Covid simply did not work fast enough and now that the Chosen People are back at the top of an empire as they were with the early USSR last… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Apex Predator
2 years ago

Yeah, when I said above that no one wanted trouble with Russia, I meant no one but American Jews.*

*I don’t think that the Israelis want this either.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

They repeat the stories from their political history Book, such as the blood libel against King Haman/King Hitler.

Perhaps we’re seeing a repeat of the book of Kings, Israel at war with Judea.

This time it would be Tel Aviv against New York/ Brussels,who are setting up Persia to finish off Tel Aviv. They’ll divide control of the oil vassals (until they start to fight over it.)

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Apex Predator
2 years ago

Now, now.

You know Z-man doesn’t like conspiracies that can;t possibly happen(TM) and anti-semites pointing out how it might not be “emergent fish behavior” given everyone involved is well … .

Its all a massive coincidence and humans have no planning and volition at all.

Shame on you for reminding everyone of details.

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
Reply to  Apex Predator
2 years ago

They resurrected spanish flu, might as well resurrect world war. kill Whiteys and profit sheckels off the misery.

Disruptor
Disruptor
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Revenge on Cossacks, I was at a party several years ago and a Usual Suspect woman blurted out, out of nowhere, “I hate Cossacks.” History, real or imagined, is still alive in their minds. Victory Noodleman, Anthony Blinken are both Usual Suspects, as is the president Zelensky. Victoria installed Usual Suspect Yatsenyuk as prime minster in the 2014 takeover and Poroshenko as president, two more Usual Suspects. The cabinet and regional management filled with more of the ilk. Ukraine is a usual suspect colony. American-based Usual Suspects can take our money and send it to those usual suspects as graft.… Read more »

Bill Jones
Member
Reply to  Disruptor
2 years ago

If I were Emperor, I’d impose a 25% tax on all remittances.
It would piss off all the right people and the enemy would be self identifying.

What’s not to like?

Disruptor
Disruptor
Reply to  Disruptor
2 years ago

“Ukraine” is another source of crisis to feed their TV and media to put as filler between commercials. . (Everything is always a crisis, yes?) It soaks up and directs attention, otherwise we might be talking about our concerns. Notice how Syria and Ukraine flip and flop in out of the spotlight. Two poles of a pincher upon the Caucus/Caspian. They already have Azerbaijan and the Kurds on their scorecard. They sent our industry over to China. Now their Ukraine scheme and fake Russia Russia Russia is pushing is pushing Russia into Chinese arms. Russia is White and Christian, like… Read more »

Red Foreman
Red Foreman
Reply to  Disruptor
2 years ago

Ukraine and Syria are also important to our Middle Eastern friend’s defenders. Funny that. All that focus on those two countries with no concern about what’s best for “our” people’s interests.

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Perhaps it’s helpful to understand postmodernism as an attack on the logical positivism which arguably served as the foundation for all of western man’s advances: the notion that only those assertions which can be empirically verified— backed-up with demonstrable facts— can be said to be true. From the perspective of logical positivism, if want to make the claim that some proposition is true— say, that this man in a sundress is actually a woman— I’ll need to present verifiable facts to back it up. Traditional Western institutions and mores are founded on the assumption— either explicit or implicit— that they… Read more »

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  The real Bill
2 years ago

Post modernism, as you call it, is a direct attack on consciousness, which is why it resonates so well with the NPCs.

they don’t give a shit about the any foundations of the west, they just want a life without consciousness and the issues that this brings.

The real Bill
The real Bill
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

And speaking of a lack of consciousness:
they seem oblivious to the fact that their very words are a contradiction in terms: insisting that “there’s no such thing as truth” is itself a truth claim:
“It’s true that there’s no such thing as truth”.

Disruptor
Disruptor
Reply to  The real Bill
2 years ago

Post Modernism is a tool. A chisel pry bar to insert into culture. The Usual suspects used it to insert themselves into our affairs. We Here think of Science as what happens in a test tube. Empirical, and can validated to any degree of validation via repetition and statistics. Structuralism / Poststructuralism holds that Science is subject to power relations. It was to be published in a journal to be “True.” In the physical world, Ivermectin has utility in treating the holocoof. But that is not “True” because the media and government controllers say otherwise. The Sackler family bought a… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

Btw, here’s a fascinating podcast that features a conversation between Steve Sailer and Charles Murray about the causes of the Great Awokening and generally where the country finds itself. I haven’t listened to the whole thing but from what I have heard, Murray comes off as willfully (almost insanely) naive. He says himself that he’s “baffled” by what’s happening. Murray comes off like one of the priests at Lindisfarne when the Vikings attacked. Sailer, of course, just views everything through the lens of money. It’s all just a grift in his mind. Nothing deeper than that. The irony of Murray… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

Sorry, meant “prescribe” not proscribe.

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

I don’t think I am going to be able to finish it. Murray comes off as completely clueless, he needs to retire from public life.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Barnard
2 years ago

I gave up at 20 minutes. Sailer starts lecturing and I just start snoring. That other guy? African immigration is driving the black average IQ upwards?!?

There’s better things to do with my time…

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Glenfilthie
2 years ago

I made it to a half hour. Murray was truly oblivious as to the environment on college campuses until he got attacked at Middlebury in 2017. He thinks something caused a drastic shift in 2013 but admits he has no idea what it was. This should be embarrassing to him.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Barnard
2 years ago

Ha, looks like around 20 to 30 minutes is all that we can take. That’s when I had to stop as well.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

Citizen: That refusal to accept racial/ethnic loyalty is the last hurdle. It’s what sets the self-proclaimed HBD crowd apart from ethnic nationalists. Accepting genetic racial differences is utterly insufficient in understanding the world. Almost no one, confirming such differences and seeing his people come out sub-par, will continue to advocate for policies guaranteed not to benefit his own. And that’s where it always breaks down. As you have repeatedly noted here, the vital question is “Who are your people?” I scan the comments at Unz and am rarely inclined to even mock any longer because the source of my mockery… Read more »

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  3g4me
2 years ago

To clarify a poorly-worded sentence: The one I am disparaging who claims ‘they’re trying to divide us’ is a typical Unz commenter. Joyce’s post is excellent and on point.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

Even if Sailer and Murray won’t accept that ethnic loyalty is both natural and good, I’d like to know why they won’t accept that we have to become ethnically loyal at a time when we’re under attack from the other tribes for being White.

(((They))) Live
(((They))) Live
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

Sailer started as a mainstream journalist in the 90s, if he was just anonymous writer/blogger he would be more willing to talk about certain subjects, the Derb is the same. they still do good work

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  (((They))) Live
2 years ago

Yeah, I give Steve a lot of shit, but he has helped our cause a lot and gave up a lot to stick to his guns. He deserve our thanks and respect for that. That said, he’s old enough now that he could be more honest. Also, I truly believe that he very much dislikes the idea of whites thinking in ethnic terms and joining the identity politics game. To me, that’s inexcusable. He continues to back Citizenism, his form of colorblind civic nationalism without ever noticing that it couldn’t have failed more over the past half century. Everything that… Read more »

Mow Noname
Mow Noname
2 years ago

“Returning to America’s natural divisions” post-Gettysburg is an interesting conundrum. Consider, the people (tribes?) who live in the 2022 empire are radically different.
There are still English Yankee’s (goodwhites), Cavaliers (badwhites) and black people.
But where do you fit the Barack Hussein Obama’s/ Sandy Cortezs/ Ilhan Omars and the Indian guys who run Microsoft & Twitter? How about the 3/4 of the white people who are Irish/ German/ Dutch/ Italian/ Polish / ? mongrels whose parents/ grand parents bought into the whole melting pot thing and used to consider themselves “American”?

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Mow Noname
2 years ago

“But where do you fit the Barack Hussein Obama’s/ Sandy Cortezs/ Ilhan Omars and the Indian guys who run Microsoft & Twitter?”

I don’t know, but wherever you pick, I’m positive a backhoe will help them fit.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Mow Noname
2 years ago

Mow Noname: You don’t ‘fit’ in the others – that’s why the natural historical divisions will be supplemented by various newer divisions. The Obama/AOC/pajeet divisions will mean return to their countries of origin or the creation of other racial enclaves (if their people are united and martial enough to carve them out once order breaks down). The White ‘mongrels’ who you correctly note bought into the Juice melting pot fallacy are a different story and poignantly illustrate the dangers of masses of differing people thrust together: You create a hybrid people. It’s why I always scoff at conservatards who claim… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

The problem with any form of government that tries to derail the “shirtsleeves to shirtsleeves in three generations” phenomenon is that there’s no force more powerful than love of children and family.

Whatever system you have, the elite will immediately – and with all their might – attempt to ensure that their children have at the very least a leg up and, preferably, a guaranteed path to elite status. It’s just human nature. And since the elite are in control of the system, the system naturally bends to their will.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

Which is why yakking, voting, and hand-wringing are useless distractions on the road to remedy. As you so accurately have observed, the elites are not going to “wake up” and change course, because that is against their human nature. This is not a problem that will be fixed with persuasion or psychotherapy. Now connect the dots and be rational. You can only control yourself. That is your resource.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
2 years ago

Citizen: Perfect truth simply stated. Sailer and others are so wrong when they reduce it to mere money or even power. At heart it’s people (evil, corrupt, twisted people, but people nonetheless) who are determined to ensure the success and primacy of their own progeny. And they will never willingly give that up.

Barnard
Barnard
2 years ago

Jake Sullivan’s Wikipedia page reads like a satire. One of the highlights:

“One of Sullivan’s themes in the job is connecting US actions on the world stage to the lives and welfare of ordinary Americans, with the mantra of “a foreign policy for the middle class.”

Who would know better about what the middle class wants in foreign policy than the son of a Journalism professor who went to Yale and Oxford and has worked in the swamp ever since.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Barnard
2 years ago

The American elite’s viewpoint of working class people falls into two categories.

Dumb hicks with good hearts who need light direction. (J.D. Vance and Rod Dreher cohort)
Dumb hicks who are racist, evil, and need to be reeducated or replaced. (your average progressive)

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
2 years ago

The problem of our modern times is the massive overproduction of elites, elites that now have no cohesive mythos of how they should rule outside of punishing the people outside of their circle. The tech brahmins want to snatch power from the historical white ruling class, the Jewish Zionists are flailing wildly as they lose their grasp on power, the banking class refuses to take any hit to their spreadsheet no matter what devastation inflation will inflict, while the ascendant young cohort of radical true believers actually believe the lofty rhetoric of the new woke religion. The ruling class was… Read more »

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  Chet Rollins
2 years ago

Yes Chet. Straight out of Peter Turchin’s books. The Romans of yore could send all these folks to distant provinces of the Empire to dissipate tension. We have them all crammed inside the Beltway.

Tykebomb
Tykebomb
Reply to  Captain Willard
2 years ago

And our European forebears sent them off into the empire to be explorers or missionaries.

Amazing how useful a constantly grinding frontier is.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Tykebomb
2 years ago

Ah, launch them on exploratory space missions. Flagship of the fleet will be the USS Kornbluth.

Joey Jünger
Joey Jünger
2 years ago

The worst part (or maybe the best part) is that we haven’t seen these degenerates totally exposed for what they are yet, frankly because enough of the residual social, moral, and literal capital built up by their forebears hasn’t totally been squandered already. We’re getting there, though. Imagine America as a wonderful house with all the amenities, but in the dead of winter and without a heating system. Everyone is shivering under piles of blankets, and breaking the wooden legs off the antique Chippendale chairs just to keep the fire going. If the China-Russia alliance (forced by our establishment) actually… Read more »

Anonymous White Male
Anonymous White Male
2 years ago

“Again, Commodus may provide some short term answers. Once he proclaimed himself a living god and renamed the city Colonia Lucia Annia Commodiana, it became clear he had to go, so he was assassinated.” You mean Russell Crowe didn’t kill him in the Coliseum? Those Weinsteins are such liars! In all seriousness, John Adams’ quote, “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people”, is absolutely correct. But, it is true of every form of government. If you do not have a moral grounding and a sense of duty, no country’s government will NOT become an orgy of… Read more »

norham Foul
norham Foul
Reply to  Anonymous White Male
2 years ago

Russell Crowe did kill him. I saw it on TV.

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  Anonymous White Male
2 years ago

Two naked men strangling each other in a bathhouse during a homosexual liaison would have hit too close to home among the hollywood crowd.

NateG
NateG
2 years ago

Change that expression to, ‘paradise to cesspool in three generations!’

Whitney
Member
2 years ago

This is off topic but what’s going on with the truckers in canada? It seems big but I’m confused about what is the purpose?

Whitney
Member
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Yeah it’s hard to find out too because now the media is reporting as “Truckers protesting bad roads” or something and I know that’s not true.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

Its obviously to create so many shortages that (for Canada) you will need Govt rationing, that miraculously will be available as a system they somehow already had setup as an extension of the vex pass.

Whitney
Member
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

What? How is that helpful?

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Whitney
2 years ago

I should have clarified I mean the reason the vex requirements are in place is to create the ration system.

The truck protest is just to try and stop them mandating the vex.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Whitney
2 years ago

It helps the Canadian government obnoxiously arrest a couple, thus prompting the sheeple to fall in line for their boosters?

Member
Reply to  Whitney
2 years ago

Here is link to a somewhat reliable source on the protest, it’s about the COVID restrictions

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/truck-convoy-leaves-metro-vancouver-en-route-to-ottawa-vaccine-mandate-protest-1.5751552

B125
B125
Reply to  Whitney
2 years ago

I was pessimistic about the protest last week. I’ve seen too many of this kind of thing where a couple hundred Boomers show up, honk for a couple hours then go home. I’m now cautiously optimistic. Redditors are freaking out, and they seem very nervous on Twitter. The “Canadian Trucker Association” (fake and gay organization) denounced the protests. The Punjabi scab labourers organized a fake driver’s protest for “road conditions” – this was reported on by the media as the trucker strike. https://globalnews.ca/news/8531929/truckers-rally-bc-road-safety/ . People are excited and people are joining the convoy as supporters, not just truckers. Some churches… Read more »

Astralturf
Astralturf
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

Perhaps truckers will be the vanguard of the Revolution and we’ll have a new elite of owner-operators.

Guest
Guest
Member
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

Punjabi truck drivers are the worst on the planet..

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  B125
2 years ago

B125: This was linked at Western Rifle Shooters, and seems to be an interesting summary and commentary on the situation:

https://bittercenturion.blogspot.com/2022/01/disconnect.html

trumpton
trumpton
2 years ago

The problem with trying to analyze stuff like this historically is that event though you see Caligula and Nero as the nadir or Roman madness there has never been an almost majority female hierarchy as we have now. Given the inherent madness (especially now) of women we have an endless series of exhibitionistic elite and outright mental cases in lots of authority positions, not just in a few. You can’t solve this with a couple of well timed short swords. Its going to take a roll back of pretty much all the ideas of universal sufferage for the last 100… Read more »

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

Women were pretty involved in Roman imperial succession, but behind the scenes. Trajan’s wife engineered the ascent of Hadrian, for example. However, I take your point that the feminization of our system has accelerated the deterioration.

KGB
KGB
Reply to  Captain Willard
2 years ago

“Behind the scenes” is where the shoe pinches. Women are inherently performative, the evolutionary skill that allows them to find a mate. A strong society can suffer the occasional off-stage machinations of a woman; what it can’t allow, however, is a feminized society where women are center stage and even the men – at the expense of doing the heavy lifting – spend their time posturing.

btp
Member
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

Yeah – it’s this idea that goes back at least as far as the English Civil Wars, where one of the surprise demands was universal male suffrage. Even some Roundheads were amazed, because the whole idea is that you can’t expect beggars to have skin in the game.

So, there’s this whole question about who should have the franchise that extends back centuries.

norham foul
norham foul
Reply to  trumpton
2 years ago

“The problem with trying to analyze stuff like this historically is that event though you see Caligula and Nero as the nadir or Roman madness there has never been an almost majority female hierarchy as we have now.”

Yep, a much deeper pool of neuroticism and competitive yet solipsistic caring for others. Oh, all this caring by the elites and particularly pre/active/post menstruating elites. Oh my, it will be the death of me.

Cletus
Cletus
2 years ago

RE: Taki post, I wonder how much of Sinema’s act is to play up to AZ voters specifically. I’m a relatively new transplant, so I never understood how they could tolerate these “maverick” types like McCain and Flake, but the few I’ve talked to about it really like this kind of non-partisan act.

MikeCLT
MikeCLT
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

I read your post at Taki about Sinema first and this scene from Gladiator came to mind. Then I come here and your are referencing Commodus.
“Win the crowd…”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMKOk6ssCr0

Severian
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

And that’s the terrifying thing. I call our current madness the Age of Why Bother? So much of “social capital” takes so little to maintain — if the two wings of the Uniparty had any kind of internal discipline, they could keep shearing the sheep that is the public pretty much forever. But because they lack discipline and leadership, everyone who can is asking themselves “Why bother”? All the Swamp’s little platoons are asking themselves that. We’ve seen the CDC achieve revolutionary class consciousness in real time. Why bother going through the motions re: Congress? Why not order an eviction… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Severian
2 years ago

As Kunstler has put it for a while, “…we live in an age where everything goes and nothing matters.”

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  thezman
2 years ago

If one assumes Sinema is bright, she may be playing some 3D-chess. As noted, she has a reputation for bucking the party and playing into to the local politics at hand. Censored or not, she has a track record of success and seems well placed to continue in her job given the change in AZ demographics. This State is blue. Redistricting may put this off for a bit, but turning it is. However, she has now set herself up to be a Bernie Sanders of sorts and could go Independent given her record. I suspect she would win easily as… Read more »