A Lesson From Ukraine

One of the underlying plot lines of the conflict in Ukraine is the role nationalism has played and in playing in the conflict. Fundamentally, the West, especially the United States, is responding to the purest of nationalist calls. The response to Ukrainian patriotism is an endorsement of the basic tenets of nationalism. The Ukrainians are a unique people with a common language, culture and territory. Therefore, they have a right to their own nation.

Conveniently left out of American coverage is the fact that ultra-nationalists have been playing a key role in the drama. These are the militia groups that have a fondness for fascist ideas and iconography. The most famous example is the Azov Battalion, but they are just one of many operating in Ukraine. These groups have been doing the fighting in the breakaway republics. This was true when the Ukrainians were assaulting the areas and now that the Russians have invaded.

Of course, the West is now organized around opposition to nationalism, especially the form expressed by the Ukrainian ultra-nationalists. In every country in Europe, nationalist groups have top meet in secret to avoid the wrath of state sponsored terrorist groups like Antifa. In Germany, nationalism is illegal as a practical matter. A party that sounds too nationalistic, like the AfD, will be crushed by the state. In theory, Ukraine is what the rest of Europe opposes.

Then there is the reality of Russian nationalism. The Western media is painting it as the new fascism, but this is another example of the antifascist legacy. Russian nationalism is now a mirror of Europeanism. Listen to Putin and what you hear is a call for pan-Slavism or Eurasianism, to use a Dugan term. Instead of a unified Western Europe it is federation of Eurasian people with the Russians leading the way. It is the EU for people with no natural place in the EU.

There is another aspect to the Russian side that the nationalists have thus far struggled to accept or even understand. What Russia is arguing for is an older, more realistic form of nationalism that is based on blood and history. Putin talks about the long history and shared suffering of the Russian and Ukrainian people. It is a call to solidarity that transcends the whims of map makers. The modern dissident nationalist is mainly focused on maps and objections to globalism.

The Russian invasion of Ukraine has put the dissident nationalists in a crisis, because it is placing them on the wrong side of history and the wrong side of the present. All of a sudden, nationalists are standing shoulder to shoulder with the people they know are the enemies of nationalism. It is turning out that modern nationalism is more of a pose than a well-considered political morality. They have been left with the same silly flag waving that we see from actors in the news media.

It is not an accident that many of the people who fly the nationalist flag were all wrong about the Covid response. Nationalism, in the modern sense, is nothing more than warmed over cartoon fascism. The modern nationalist dreams of wearing snappy uniforms and being at the top of the status hierarchy. He is fully engaged in opposition to the prevailing cosmopolitan globalism, but he has no agenda of his own, other than opposition to the polices of globalism.

This is not to say that nationalism is a bad thing, especially in the way the modern ruling elite describes it. Nor does it mean that the nation state is a failed idea. What the crisis in Ukraine reveals is that modern nationalism is simply not ready to be anything more than a holding pen for the disaffected. Nationalists in Europe need to understand that no one in the European elite is shedding any tears for what is now happening to the ultra-nationalist at the hands of the Russian military.

What the Ukrainian disaster provides is an opportunity for nationalists to regroup and plot a course that acknowledges present and future reality. The Global American Empire is fading and we see that in Europe now. What comes next is open for debate and if nationalists are to be a part of that debate, they have to have a positive agenda, rather than a list of complaints about American globalism. Nationalism needs to offer a way forward in the post-America Europe.

The place for them to start is Ukraine. Nationalism needs to explain why the Zelensky government violated its duty to the people by picking a fight with Russia. It also has to explain why Ukrainian patriots are right to defend their country, even if their government is a corrupt puppet regime of another power. In other words, nationalist need to fuse their theory with practical politics. Political theory is a fine thing but it is worthless if it cannot solve the practical problems of human organization.

The Ukraine disaster should be a lesson to American nationalists, especially the pro-white variety. The cultural, biological and linguistic differences between Russians and Ukrainians are small, certainly not worth fighting over. That is the theory, but the reality is the bombed out schools and dead soldiers. America is a big diverse place with differences that dwarf the differences between Russians and Ukrainians. Uniting any group in America is a gargantuan task.

For any form of nationalism to work in America, as it descends into majority-minority demographics, it must respect the vast regional differences. Simplistic calls to demographic reality will work no better than the simplistic calls to nationalism have worked in Ukraine. Laundry lists of complaints about the present or the past are not a viable agenda. Whatever comes next for America will have to be rooted in a positive agenda that promotes a future that inspires the target population.

Finally, what the Ukraine disaster shows is that the old categories and the old ways of speaking of politics no longer work. The ultranationalist are not Nazis, despite their adoption of some Nazi iconography. Putin is certainly not Hitler. There are no white hats and no black hats. The simplistic world of the past where everyone had a convenient role to play is over. In the post-American Empire, we will need not only new labels, but a new political morality to go with it.


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3 years ago

[…] A Lesson From Ukraine […]

Catxman
3 years ago

We are about reaching the point where Russia stopped being able to map the future. From here on, it’s throw up your hands and guess at the next direction of the winds that blow …

Frip
Member
Reply to  Catxman
3 years ago

Well said Catxman. So terribly true.

Disruptor
Disruptor
3 years ago

“House of Representatives approves $13.6 billion in Ukraine humanitarian and military aid.” That’s a nice chunk of cheese for the ones who fear the hoofbeats of cats. I think they have a general plan following the pheromone trail and sniffing out a likely source of cheese. But, they just pull back the plunger of the pin ball machine and let it fly. There is few of them and many of us, so we are the ones who suffer. The can count on their media to lie upon things to their favor. They can count on allies to control the government,… Read more »

Bilejones
Member
3 years ago

“Putin is not Hitler”. No, indeed, the situation now is the result of Putin being Chamberlain. He’s spent 20 years appeasing the DC warmongers.

James J O'Meara
James J O'Meara
3 years ago

Allow me to settle all this with a very brief distinction: Nationalism: defined by borders. Compare: Sailerist “civic nationalism” Expand borders = bigger nation = good. Cf. “manifest destiny,” “white man’s burden” Ethnonationalism: state as the home of an ethnic group. Eg: White Europeans, Russians, Ukrainians. Applied to current situation: Ukraine: the eastern provinces are within our borders. Therefore, we must keep them (loss of land is bad). Uppity Russians there must be exterminated. (Cf. Sudatenland, Yugoslavia, and other made-up nations defined by borders) Russian: the eastern provinces are 80% Russian, and targeted for extermination. Therefore they must be incorporated… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
3 years ago

OK, this actual headline from US News & World Report actually caused me to literally laugh:

“U.S. Intel: China Alarmed by Russian Brutality in Ukraine”

I get it is a propaganda effort, and that it will work to any extent is horrifying, but that is some funny shit there and something you could not make up. Apple and Bezos must be leaning on their puppets really hard.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Jack Dobson
3 years ago

“I get it is a propaganda effort, … .”

Around the end of February 2020, when they were first cranking up the Chinkypox propaganda machine, FOX Noise ran this headline across the bottom of the screen during a Tucker broadcast (verbatim):

“Study: 87% of Coronavirus cases undetected.”

Verbatim

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Jack Dobson
3 years ago

Talking of propaganda and the lack of any real footage, despite the OMG Genocide nonsense.

Here is a series of videos from some guy who actually did what those people did when they visited the overwhelmed hospitals during the coof.

He flew to Poland and got on a train to Kiev.

Normal public transport, fake barricades, it all looks very odd.

twitter.com/LezLuthor/status/1500215183347757059

The Greek
The Greek
Reply to  Jack Dobson
3 years ago

There was a story going around the mainstream rags a few days ago about how “top intel sources believe Putin is terminally I’ll.” Their reasoning, he doesn’t smile as much as he used to. I’m not making this shit up.

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/vladimir-putin-has-terminal-illness-and-may-be-dying-from-cancer-ex-military-source-says/ar-AAUGV3G

trumpton
trumpton
3 years ago

Seems to me we are actually going to get a view of what nationalism actually looks like absent globohomo in Russia following the sanctions. Not only have lots of the media/big tech/porn/mcdonalds/coke etc cut ties. Now it looks like western banks like Goldman’s and Citi are going to be doing the same. I have always hypothesized that a prerequisite for a normal functioning society is removing the financial squid and the media/tech/corporate before any normality can emerge from the population. It seems we are going to find out what this looks like. If its anything like a 19th century national… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  trumpton
3 years ago

Good point. That really ups the ante for Globohomo to destroy Russia, too.

B125
B125
3 years ago

What’s complicated about it? A certain group that controls most of the USA foreign policy got in charge in Ukraine too. They have an ancient hatred for the people there on top of the desire to strip mine the country of its wealth. They convinced the dumb Ukrainian goys and Nazi meat heads that they are superior and that they must die for their “nation”, weaponizing the base tribal instincts of white men and directing it towards something useful. Just like the American goys were convinced to die in Iraq to remove Saddam from power. It’s not a failure of… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

I agree 100%

With them it is always a means to an end, and the dense goys always get wrapped up the details and lose sight of the big picture.

The big picture is ALWAYS they are in charge and you work for them, occasionally die for them too. All these “isms” and ideologies and the like they concoct are just the tools of their trade.

Mow Noname
Mow Noname
Reply to  B125
3 years ago

The white nationalist guys at “Counter Currents” are all on board with the story of “patriotic Ukranians standing fast against Russian aggression”.

Omegatron Variant
Omegatron Variant
Reply to  Mow Noname
3 years ago

Then I have a lot less respect for them than I once did. Because it’s clear supporting the Ukrainians is short-sighted. GAE would have turned that whole country into another American bath house absent the Russian invasion. The usual suspects on Twitter were crowing about Zelensky leading a “multicultural” Ukraine just a few days ago and celebrating mass emigration of Ukrainians into neighboring countries (while denouncing discrimination against Africans and Indians).

John Flynt
John Flynt
3 years ago

“Z” blog. And people say the Fates have no sense of humor. Ukrainian nationalism taking up a lot of ink. What to think of it. Ukrainian nationalists are the koala to the eucalyptus (Russosphere). Ukrainian nationalists are only allowed to exist, organize because of GAE’s larger war against the Russosphere. As the koala only eats the leaves of the eucalyptus. If they don’t have eucalyptus, they starve and go extinct ( ie Ukraine full integration into GAE followed by the liquidation of the nationalists like in the west). But eating the leaves does not spare the koala completely either. It… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  John Flynt
3 years ago

“Thus Ukrainian nationalism (Azov blah blah) is inextricably tied to the fate of Russia and it won’t escape it.”

Is there another blog site where the commentariat’s conversation is as wide-ranging as that on this site? From the beginnings of WWIII to nationalism to koala bears and eucalyptus leaves on the same day. And it’s not out of the ordinary.

ZMan is a national(ist?) treasure.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
3 years ago

Dammit, how many Polacks does Kamala have to blow to get this party started?

SwissGuard
SwissGuard
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

Her code name is Veep-Throat.

SidV
SidV
Member
Reply to  SwissGuard
3 years ago

i honestly had a belly laugh. thanks you for that,

MBlanc46
MBlanc46
3 years ago

American nationalism is dead. And it’s not coming back. In the future there might be Black-American nationalism, Mexican-American nationalism, and maybe Chinese-American nationalism and .Indian-American nationalism. If we work hard enough, there might even be White-American nationalism. But American nationalism, *simplicter* is finished/

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  MBlanc46
3 years ago

Yes, because America no longer exists. It died January 20, 2021.

1776-2021
Requiescat in pace.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
3 years ago

“It died January 20, 2021.”

It was killed in the 1860s

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  MBlanc46
3 years ago

MBlanc46: You really don’t need the qualifier ‘American’ for all those other nationalisms. It will simply be Orientals wanting to live by their cultural and political mores, blacks wanting to live without Whitey’s laws, and Mestizos wanting to live as best suits them. The problem is that all of these groups have failed, to one degree or another, when trying to function solely on their own (to forestall one predictable objection, the Chinese ‘economic miracle’ occurred at the cost of America outsourcing its jobs, factories and intellectual property rights). Thus while wanting to claim their own corner of formerly American… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
3 years ago

The pearl clutchers are calling Putin a new Adolph because “he wants to create a united Slavic empire”, as in the former Germanic attempt. There are 1.3 million refugees in Poland, 2 million so far; I believe we’re seeing a possible Visegrad Spring to belay that Eurasian polity. (Maybe it’ll help form one instead, I hope.) Nuland’s husband co-authored the PNAC: destroy seven Mideast countries, seize their gold and oil, and dominate the world’s oil pan. I’d say this debacle is a repeat. I don’t know why the neocons didn’t come up with a pretext to openly colonize the Mideast.… Read more »

Altitude Zero
Altitude Zero
3 years ago

The problem of course is that there are no real nationalists at the top of either of the governments involved here. Putin is happy to make use of Russian nationalism when it suits him, but he is essentially a Eurasianist and an imperialist, not a Russian nationalist. He opposes globohomo, and that’s something, but he’s not really on out side. As for Zelensky, he of course is happy to make use of Ukrainian nationalism, as with the useful idiots in the Azov Brigade. but we all know who he’s working for, and it’s not Ukraine. Putin may very well be… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Altitude Zero
3 years ago

If this was 1960, and you had leaders…real leaders…like De Gaulle still on the scene, Putin would not stand out in the crowd. As a matter of fact he would be seen as sort of a wallflower in world affairs. In 2022, comparing him to the Alzheimer’s patient, the Canadian imbecile, the German imbecile, the bisexual Frenchman with the mommy complex, the sad, banker technocrat Italian, etc. etc., he TOWERS head and shoulders among world leaders. It’s not Putin that’s big, it’s the rest of the world leadership that’s gotten small…and so effete.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  JR Wirth
3 years ago

Sounds similar to a quote from an academic about his peers.

“It is not that I stand on the shoulders of giants, it’s that I am surrounded by midgets”

Altitude Zero
Altitude Zero
Reply to  trumpton
3 years ago

Say what you will, Putin at least does not hate the people he rules over. Strange that that’s enough to make you a great leader, but in 2022, it looks like it does.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Altitude Zero
3 years ago

That, and Putin seems to have an instinctual understanding of the processes that destroy “a people” and the institutions that united/promote “a people”.

In short, he brought back the church front and center in Russian life and suppressed the deviates that arose after the collapse of the USSR with the corresponding lifting of general repression and renewal of personal freedom.

Xman
Xman
3 years ago

It’s incredible how the globalist, open-borders Left is backing the nationalist Ukrainians here. Wave an American flag, or wave the Canadian flag like the truckers, and you’re a Nazi and a fascist. But all of sudden waving the blue and yellow is good. Defend the American border, and you might as well be Hitler, but defending the Ukrainian border has become such a pure and noble cause it’s now right up there with climate change or transgenderism. “Diversity is or greatest strength,” but it’s the diversity in Crimea and Donbass that has caused the war.

SMDH, brah…

Horace
Horace
3 years ago

“For any form of nationalism to work in America, as it descends into majority-minority demographics, it must respect the vast regional differences.” That problem is solved by federalism. The inherent weakness of diversity is minimized by separating it locally but agreeing to come to the common defense regionally. It works in Switzerland. It used to work in America. It stopped working in America for two reasons. First, local homogeneity was diminished with multiculturalism. Consider the thought experiment of the construction of an artificial new country with 20 million Germans and 20 million Japanese. Would it be more stable if the… Read more »

Frip
Member
Reply to  Horace
3 years ago

“3. All federation members must be the same religion. The diversity of having different denominations of the same religion is the maximum that can be allowed.” What to do with us atheists? Bro you gotta let us in with the Christians. We both sign an agreement. Atheists promise not to be dicks. Christians promise not to get all Church Lady on everyone. We make some sort of list of the accepted and not accepted. So we get along. Legal: liquor stores. bars. mid-core porn. topless dancing. weed, controlled prostitution. Illegal: gambling*. lotto. hard porn. usury. trashing jesus. soccer. (Re. Gambling.… Read more »

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Frip
3 years ago

I should have said religious heritage rather than religion. It’s the acceptance of a set of common behavioral patterns, mores, that is crucial, not going through the motions of going to church on Sunday. We have always had atheists in the West, but all of them during the time of our success were culturally Christian in the denominations of their respective countries even if they were unhappy about it (or unaware). It’s important that each member (state) of a federation have a denomination that is dominant within it to provide internal stability that is compatible with the other federation members,… Read more »

Frip
Frip
Reply to  Horace
3 years ago

Horace: “Don’t undermine the dominant mores.” Right on.

Question, within the U.S. how many federations do you think there’d need to be? As the demographics / belief systems currently stand. I’m guessing, with much gray area: Races 8 + Religions 4 + political views 5 + sexuality 3 = 20 federations.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Frip
3 years ago

How is the 3rd sexuality going to maintain a population?

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Frip
3 years ago

Frip, we need White, Black, Hispanic basically. You can add Asian if the numbers are there.

I grew up in NYC. It worked just fine for years. The religions are free to vary within the racial/biological divisions. Same as now. Politics same way—with proviso there is understanding such does not interfere with the agree upon separation principles. Sexuality is not important, but I assume basically male and female and deviations are kept to yourself and not promoted as acceptable “alternative” lifestyles.

So basically 3-4 “divisions” with subdivisions to be determined by population within those sub-divisions.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Frip
3 years ago

I don’t know. I’m close to setting up a new boot device so I can get linux and R set up again to look at exactly that question, overlaid with the question of mineral and water resources.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Horace
3 years ago

Horace: Very well said.

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  Frip
3 years ago

Like 10% of the population are atheists so you get your own Godless polity.

Also its interesting to note than Horace has to undo a fair chunk of the population. Instead of “No test of religion” it becomes mandatory.

In some sense the solution is therefore “End the enlightenment since it was stupid”

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Frip
3 years ago

Atheists are really nothing more than a branch of Christianity, or a heresy in the view of Christianity because every atheist I know has pretty much the same worldview of a Christian but without a belief in God. It’s an offshoot of Christianity, at least in the west, and requires Christianity to give itself meaning as something in opposition or a negative form of it. Can there be atheism in a world without God? I don’t think so. One begat the other, and the word itself is derived from the word God. So, yes, Christian society will make room for… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Frip
3 years ago

With the exception of Islam and some smallish Christian cults, atheists and believers can coexist and have throughout our country’s history. It’s the “anti-theists” (dicks) that cause the problems. They can’t stand that there are believers and consider most all religions to be dangerous to “their” religion—human secularism.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Frip
3 years ago

LOL

Illegal = soccer

I laughed out loud.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Horace
3 years ago

Sounds like the US in 1790.

fakeemail
fakeemail
3 years ago

I don’t know and doubt that Russia is a “good guy”, but I know for sure that America and “The West” are bad guys; as in satanically bad.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  fakeemail
3 years ago

America is an occupied country and Europe an occupied continent. Globohomo, the occupier, is indeed satanically bad.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

(Update for Simba on the American truckers: I heard the organizer interviewed on a big left-wing show yesterday, a very civil conversation; the truckers got a hearing with various Congressionals, nobody got clapped in jail, so it ended as well as could be per the old civic system.)

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

Thanks! Bless them, the trucker approach has very real potential, also for other professions. A rough diamond for now for sure but the Canadians came up with it on the fly while being pushed against the wall. So of course there’s refinements to be done. But this could be a real tool of ours.

whatever2020
whatever2020
Member
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

This is the bottom line. The USA no longer exists, at all, at least not in any real or meaningful way at all. Those of us who live in its territory are nothing more than isolated, individual residents within the territory of the Globohomo Empire.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  fakeemail
3 years ago

You think they are bad now.

I said on earlier thread they are wprking themselves up to step over the line.

I believe they are going to do an actual false flag biological or chemical attack in Ukraine. Who knows what the death toll will be.

The whole scripted Nuland thing on the bio-labs is telegraphing this so much.

The US and NATO is going to be a full shooting war in Europe if they do, as it will generate a real hysteria not seen since WW2.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  trumpton
3 years ago

If they are INSANE enough to do that – and they may actually be that insane – it could really lead to strategic nuclear exchanges and hence horrors way, way beyond anything Earth has ever seen; the dinosaur meteor plus radioactivity. The life of the planet does appear to be hanging on the workings of a senile, corrupt, perverted brain and his sick handlers. No wonder people believe in God.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

I am tying this up with Johnson’s co-ordinated statement that Russia was going to do a chemical attack, and the US intelligence stuff on a small nuclear attack. The no fly zone stuff was also I believe a set up as the response to such a chemical attack. Its all about seeding the ideas for later. I do think they believe they can pull this off in the same way they tried to do with Syria. Irrespective if its real or not the the escalation will be. Covid has given them a feeling of complete control and, they are, to… Read more »

Frip
Member
3 years ago

Z: “Whatever comes next for America will have to be rooted in a positive agenda that promotes a future that inspires the target population.” Re “positivity”. Gonna state the obvious just cuz. It’s so hard because for generations society has been conditioned to see anything positive/alluring that we’d put forth, as evil. Openminded + Inviting = good. Noticing differences* + Exclusion = evil. Reversing this false morality can be done. But at this point it’s hard to imagine. *By noticing differences I mean having a discriminating mindset. But that right there is synonymous with evil. “THAT’S DISCRIMINATION!” Which is right… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Frip
3 years ago

Of course, whites are the only people against whom it is not only okay but in many cases required to discriminate. Every sin the Left decries is sacrosanct when visited upon the Blue-eyed Ice Devil.

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
3 years ago

I see this more of a failure of globalism than a failure of nationalism. Diversity is not, in fact a strength, but a debilitating weakness. Even minor diversity like the linguistic diversity of Eastern Europe of two countries that were once the same country is enough to cause the tanks to start rolling. This is also why White nationalism can never work, not even in America.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 years ago

I don’t even see how the U.S. has a workable geography once everyone tribes up. Yugoslavia writ large.

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  JR Wirth
3 years ago

The militia right calls it (via Matt Bracken) Bosnia X Rwanda Its a bit more complex than that being Latino America (which runs like a wealthier Mexico and has its own internal race issues) WASP America, Texas , The South, Heritage America and so on. So many different subnations that cannot and should not coexist Now changing that is difficult, a lot of people are stuck on CONUS being a thing for one and of course the a-holes in power won’t give up with a fight. Probably the biggest issue is no one wants the power is sane enough and… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 years ago

White nationalism can work in Blackistan. All that is required is a critical mass of like-thinking whites forming in a single hermetic territory. Political organization then occurs, goals are agreed upon, and secession follows. The credible threat of violence will be necessary, of course. More likely, violence itself will be required.

SidV
SidV
Member
3 years ago

Nothing to add, other than a report from the ground. Wife is Romanian. They shitting themselves presently. On the upside, the sex has never been better.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  SidV
3 years ago

i call that a clear win for you! try shouting “Putin!” at culmination, and see if that provides extra spice.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  SidV
3 years ago

Apologies for the downvote. Accidental click.

SidV
SidV
Member
Reply to  trumpton
3 years ago

it’s ok, i deserve a down vote, or two. For discussing my sex life here. After the afpac post, i know Z i disapproves. Sorry the guy is a fag. I find it hard to drop.

SidV
SidV
Member
Reply to  SidV
3 years ago

conceded, he may turn it around. But But he better get busy.

(((They))) Live
(((They))) Live
Reply to  SidV
3 years ago

Its very hard to know exactly what is going on in the Ukraine right now, to believe the MSM, the Russians are losing badly, the same MSM then tell me that Putin will also invade, Finland, Sweden, the Baltics and maybe Romania and Poland

Its sad that most people can hold the two ideas in their heads at the same time. and plenty of them read 1984 too, but still they don’t see it

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
3 years ago

Zalensky began this conflict by telling 17 year olds to throw molotov cocktails at tanks. Neglecting to tell them that they would be instantly cut in half with machine gun fire. Just yesterday he told the world that Russia is “bluffing” on releasing nukes on a no-fly-zone deployment. In reality, we’re all 17 year old cannon fodder to that dirty K word. The same guy who pilfered Ukraine for his not so secret Tuscan villa, and from what I’ve read, also a home in Miami. Who knows how many millions he’s taken from that country….but let’s concentrate on “Putler” as… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  JR Wirth
3 years ago

The cynicism has been horrific and off the charts. Zelensky at this point knows he was strung along by the United States and the greater West, and then he does the same thing with kids. Putin claims as a primary objective an intention to “de-Nazify” the Ukraine, which isn’t full of Nazis. Poland just received–and returned–some cynical “you and him fight” from D.C. (this will have long-lasting ramifications although it appears a minor albeit dangerous blip)

The aftermath promises to be quite heady although, of course, Globohomo has a “look, squirrel!” lined up.

Disruptor
Disruptor
Reply to  Jack Dobson
3 years ago

RE: “Zelensky at this point knows he was strung along by the United States and the greater West”
I suggest that this is an over-assertion.

Was he strung along or does it just seem as if he was strung along?

Formerly, he was an actor playing the role of president.
The US state dept is run by his affiliates, the past president and prime minster of Ukraine are his affiliates, and there is a continuity via affiliated oligarchs, ie mobsters.

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
Reply to  Disruptor
3 years ago

Kosher Theatre, no different than WW1. All lies. all bullshit…Chaim and Shlomo making money off Whitey killing each other. Look over here, while we rob you blind and turn your country to shit. The whole fuckin world is so tired of these sick, satanic motherfuckers.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Jack Dobson
3 years ago

It feels like we’re headed back to good old fashioned European Great Power politics which invariably had a “hey let’s invade Poland” ending.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Jack Dobson
3 years ago

NAZI is a scare word tossed out in place of argument. No different than calling everything “racist” over here. However, Russia has not forgot that during the German invasion in WWII, Ukrainian women lined the roads in the villages to welcome the Germans with flowers—so much was the hate (rightfully) for the USSR and Stalin. Also, the Einsatzgruppen recruited Ukrainians to help handle the “final solution” efforts in Eastern Europe—Ukraine and the Baltic States. So there is a history that the typical Russian will pick up on in Putin’s use of that term wrt Ukraine. Not totally unlike Biden telling… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  JR Wirth
3 years ago

100% literacy, nearly or formerly all white nation the size of Texas
Breadbasket, minerals
Seaport access
Collecting transit taxes on the most lucrative gas lines in the world

Ukraine should be another Germany or France, yet they’re so poor prostitution is rife.
Almost as if somebody’s been robbing the place.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  JR Wirth
3 years ago

“Zalensky began this conflict by telling 17 year olds to throw molotov cocktails … .”

Zelinsky started this war by going to the Munich conference in February and announcing that the Ukraine was going to acquire nukes (in violation of the Budapest Memorandum). The Russians moved into
the Ukraine within the week.

Vizzini
Member
3 years ago

I think today’s article may be trying too hard to make a concept fit. Just because two different nationalist countries war with each other doesn’t make it a crisis or conflict between different visions of nationalism.

There’s so much else going on in this conflict, historically and politically — security concerns, old emnities, global jockeying for power, powerful monied interests, I don’t know if we can draw direct lessons about old and new nationalism from it. Not saying that Zman is wrong, just that the waters are pretty muddy.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Vizzini
3 years ago

Likewise, there are a few “rah rah go Russians” on our side, but most people (including those people actually) only care about the conflict in so far as it harms GloboPedo. (And most of the go-go Ukraine normies are only doing so because they’re never allowed to cheer for their own team).

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
3 years ago

The normies are doing it because the media instructs them and they obey. It pours it into their mind from every direction. Its the “current thing” meme is not a joke. I live in a backwater. The small town shop and local council offices have hand drawn posters (with child drawings) for a fundraising drive for Ukraine in the townhall. The local small supermarket shop’s electronic till has Ukraine charity donations already tied into to the display. The shop screens show Ukraine national flags and refugee fake pictures without any other context. The newspaper racks look like a blue and… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  trumpton
3 years ago

Small town on the Vermont/Massachusetts border? You’re not going to see anything like that in small towns in West Texas.

That’s not to say that the war propaganda isn’t working, but rather that the softer normies are more susceptible to it than the harder ones.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
3 years ago

Ask yourself this: Is it good for the white people? The answer should determine which side you support in the Ukrainian dust-up.

Anna
Anna
3 years ago

2 more strongly nationalistic people should be mentioned: Palestinians and Israelis. And here is an amazing parallel between Ukrainians and Palestinians: Russians are reporting that maternity ward bombed yesterday was a military object. I lived in Ukraine for 21 years and I readily believe that it would be their MO. And one more parallel: both Ukrainians and Palestinians are LOVED by the world “elites” while Russia and Israel are hated. So much so that Cardiff Philarmonic just removed playing Tchaikovsky from their program. And Anna Netrebko fired by NY Metropolitan Opera. I’ve read some people drunk on anti-semitism that Ukrainian… Read more »

Stranger in a Strange Land
Stranger in a Strange Land
Reply to  Anna
3 years ago

…So much so that Cardiff Philarmonic just removed playing Tchaikovsky from their program. And Anna Netrebko fired by NY Metropolitan Opera….
Appears there is no end in sight to the virtue signaling contest.
Guess I ought to check to see if my local library branch has a Tolstoy, Dostoevsky book burning bonfire scheduled.

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  Stranger in a Strange Land
3 years ago

If I was God Emperor of Mankind any public virtue signalling would be punished by crucifixion. Its harsh I know but everyone wins, The virtue signalers get to give the ultimate signal and society or at least I get to be rid of them. That said between the Puritan strain and the absolute purposeless of modern life , I can see why people are all in. It less them feel like life has meaning. I suppose they better enjoy it while they can. Once this edifice collapses, they’ll be too busy trying to eat or not get killed. Also a… Read more »

SidV
SidV
Member
Reply to  Anna
3 years ago

I will say this as gently as possible. Must you intrude upon every sanctuary? Go away yenta.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  SidV
3 years ago

No, don’t go Anna.

Sid, I realize that Anna and say six more like her could really bog the discussion group down—but there are not 6 “Anna’s” commenting. I find Anna to be respectful and often lends some alternative interpretation/thought. Let her speak, but ignore her if you find differently.

Sid
Sid
Reply to  Compsci
3 years ago

Ok for you. Sorry Anna. Apologies

NoOneAtAll
NoOneAtAll
Reply to  Compsci
3 years ago

This compulsive fairmindedness is why they’ve taken everything from us. You’ve got this comment section and a handful of others theyve not managed to shut down. They’ve twitter, youtube, amazon, netflix, google…. basically the entire internet plus the educational institutions and corporations

AND YET some here are concerned they don’t have a fair hearing here TOO.

I actually love this about white people, it makes society beautiful when we have it to ourselves. It’s a huge problem dealing with people like said middle easterners who think it makes you an easy mark.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  NoOneAtAll
3 years ago

Don’t let them take advantage of you My experience tells me then what you are interacting with a mid easterner that if they know your are thinking “ok so here I am talking to some Jew” it makes them anxious, self conscious and they become quite docile. When they sense, however, that you are unaware of their Jewishness is when they pounce. They’re criminal minded bullies after all and take advantage of weakness and naïveté and innocence, much like blacks, perhaps why they have such an affinity for them and always take their side and seem to slobber over them.… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Anna
3 years ago

Upvote to Anna for presenting the other side. The “on the third hand,” side.

Diversity is, after all, our hahahaha- kidding!

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Anna
3 years ago

Anna,

Are you suggesting that a Jewish takeover of the west is something desired by a higher power?

Your honesty is much appreciated !

Anna
Anna
Reply to  Falcone
3 years ago

Where did you see me writing about Jewish takeover of the world?
The Rabbis I respect teach that Jews should not run for elections in the non-Jewish country they reside in.

I know I know too many of America’s Jews don’t go to the same religios lectures.
And I do not talk Zelensky either: he converted to Christianity and baptized his children.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Anna
3 years ago

Did Zelensky marry a Jew? If not, the children would not be recognized as Jews anyway. But of course, the suspicion is that the problem with Zelensky and other non-practicing “Jews” is one of blood and not specifically the practice of the religion.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Anna
3 years ago

Anna, I read your comment to mean that some higher purpose might be involved in Putin’s behavior and that it might have to do with the God of the Israelis I could be wrong. So sue me (I kid I kid) That said, my overall view is simply that the Jewish people and Christian Europeans are not compatible and that for them to live together one side has to be weakened if not oppressed. And doing so means you need results, and that ultimately takes the form of the most lunatic and cruel on either side being tasked with the… Read more »

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Anna
3 years ago

* “he converted to Christianity and baptized his children.”

*citation needed.

Majorian
Majorian
3 years ago

All takes I have read so far about the Russian war seem unable to recognise something which is obvious to me, and put me excited on the alert, to be honest: the fact that now GloboHomo has an openly declared, external, conventional enemy in the persona of the Russian-Chinese block. This was invariably a pre-condition for each and every revolution in the past: (i) the war can weaken the tyrannical establishment, and also render it unpopular no matter the pro-regime propaganda; (ii) the external enemy can even materially aid the revolutionaries (see Leninists during WW1) or at least (iii) the… Read more »

Astralturf
Astralturf
Reply to  Majorian
3 years ago

To be fair, ol’ Keet seems pretty pro-Putin on this one. He has somewhat redeemed himself IMO. Still a damned Marxist though.

Maiorian
Maiorian
Reply to  Astralturf
3 years ago

They just talk and talk and talk, these “nationalist” pundits, they assume one stance but don’t dismiss the other one even though it is its opposite. They say anything, and then its contrary. They need a moral reason for almost anything. Simply hoping Russia wins decisively and develops into an alternative to GloboHomo because it would be good to us?
Not moral, merely convenient and hence out of the cards?

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Majorian
3 years ago

“‘what do we care about Russia or Ukraine? How can we profit from this and derail the system?’”

You are certainly asking a good question there. It’s utterly irrelevant who owns the Donbass. But, to weaken and tear down Globohomo at home, that is what matters!!

Majorian
Majorian
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

Sure, that’s what I’m saying!
Instead of caring if Ruthenia is right in claiming TransCarpathia its own or if it is better the place remains in the Repubic of Volynia,
one should be ready to disseminate the kind of talking points Tucker Carlson uses, once discontent due to rising prices and penury is palpable among the normies.
I mean, start preparing these talking points now, and think about the possible reactions or consequences, and think about a countermove for them as well.

Majorian
Majorian
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

Sure, that’s what I’m saying 🙂
Instead of caring if Ruthenia is right in claiming Transcarpathia its own, or instead is better the place remain in the Repubic of Volynia, one should be ready to disseminate the kind of talking points Tucker Carlson uses, once discontent due to rising prices and penury is palpable among the normies.
I mean, start preparing these talking points now, and think about the possible reactions or consequences, and then think about a countermove for these as well.

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  Majorian
3 years ago

I guess it can serve as a nice distraction and a good grift. Gotta rake in those superchats You would think nationalists would be more concerned with the situation at home more than Russia and Ukraine. Everyone has to have an opinion for some odd reason. I cannot even begin to comprehend even the basics and neither can most of the people spouting off about it.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Majorian
3 years ago

I’d like to like Woods because I like when kids read books, but… “We’re all liberals now,” as some internet commie I can’t remember said. The base from which he over and over again has to *become nationalist* is liberalism/libertarianism, and when he can’t find a route rightward away from those assumptions, he convolutedly falls back to them. One example, because it’s fully discrediting. He recently made a video arguing that what Sailer calls the Great Awokening—the simultaneous turn of all our media/etc. to anti-whiteness—is an effect of amoral corporate profit-seeking. His exemplary case was…the NY Times. Not even Sailer… Read more »

Majorian
Majorian
Reply to  Hemid
3 years ago

Yes, and he often uses quotes from books which he reads for 30 seconds or more, and I really don’t like that, I don’t think it works at all. Obviously he is heads and shoulders above people his age. He gave his best when podcasting with Spencer and Dutton, me thinks.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Majorian
3 years ago

“How can we profit from this and derail the system?”

Ooo. I am really starting to like you, ye black-hearted pirate.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

Addendum: since Morning Joe is openly boasting about the US sending weapons to Ukraine to be used on Russian troops, I don’t know if we have Vietnam or an outright Spanish Civil War-

Either way, it makes Majorian’s point even more important.

Majorian
Majorian
Reply to  Alzaebo
3 years ago

Thank you. How would these weapons get smuggled into Ukraine?
Not by airplane.
Not by ship.
From Poland, by land? Kiev is surrounded from the West, so they won’t reach the Ukrainian Volksturm. And in any case it would be easy for Russians to spot the truck convoy and bomb it down, or simply stop it at a check point of troops that can come down at any time from Belarus into Western Ukraine.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
3 years ago

If the end result of the Russian invasion of Ukraine is a neutral country, I don’t see how that can be negative for nationalism in Ukraine. It sure as hell worked for Finland for decades. If international Jews like Zalensky are replaced as head of State of Ukraine, now we’re talking bonus points. I’m looking for the downside to the Russian invasion among actual Ukrainians. So Russia carves off the easternmost states. That part of Ukraine was always the most Russian like and the most alien to Kiev. Again, bonus points for better geography. The fact that the nationalists are… Read more »

Yak-15
Yak-15
Reply to  JR Wirth
3 years ago

The result may be electoral certainty of a pro-western government coming to power and causing the crisis to begin anew. Ukrainians are mad as hell, as they should be. And are probably more determined than ever to join the western bloc. Losing the eastern provinces means an even greater voting percentage for being western. Bad news for them. Bad news for us. I think that’s why Russia wants a constitutional amendment. Not that it would prevent anything. But they want some sort of assurance Ukraine won’t join the west. I think it’s get uglier. Morally motivated ideologues won’t let this… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  JR Wirth
3 years ago

“So Russia carves off the easternmost states.” Not sure exactly what you mean there, but that has not happened. Russia has not carved off anything. The Crimea held a lawful referendum and voted overwhelmingly to ask to join Russia. When they did, Russia said, “Yes.” The Donetsk and Luhansk people’s republics have not been carved off by Russia or by anybody else. They declared independence in 2014, and they have repeatedly asked to be allowed to join Russia, and Putin has turned them down every time. Last month, Russia granted diplomatic recognition of the republics’ independence, but granting recognition is… Read more »

Anna
Anna
Reply to  JR Wirth
3 years ago

Zelensky converted to Christianity and baptized his children. He forgot last 2000 years of history:
at the end of the day he will be called a dirty Jew irregardless. Or as the Stalin preferred: “rootless cosmopolitans”. Or as you prefer: international Jew.

Ponsonby
Member
Reply to  Anna
3 years ago

So did Disraeli, fooling nobody, least of all Disraeli himself. I myself also prefer “rootless cosmopolitans.” Say what you will, Stalin was a serious man and nobody’s fool.

(((They))) Live
(((They))) Live
Reply to  JR Wirth
3 years ago

Narcissism of petty differences

Anonymous White Male
Anonymous White Male
3 years ago

“For any form of nationalism to work in America, as it descends into majority-minority demographics, it must respect the vast regional differences.” That’s kinda what the Constitution included, with no federal citizenship, where the duties of the federal government were defined and limited, and where the 10th Amendment gave anything not enumerated as a federal responsibility to the States. The first Immigration and Naturalization Act gave the right to citizenship only to Whites immigrants. All of this was overturned after the Civil War, when the States became subordinate to the federal government, when blacks were given federal citizenship, and the… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Anonymous White Male
3 years ago

They won’t be able to afford meat or lighter fluid soon enough. Should be interesting. I’m of the mind that Globohomo becomes unsustainable once it cannot feed and distract. It certainly will be more vicious and oppressive in the interim, but sometimes we forget it is built on sand, albeit a lot of sand.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  Jack Dobson
3 years ago

I think it will strengthen it.

The manipulation is ubiquitous and so deeply rooted in most I think the regimes will thrive on an endless enemy.

The moral struggle against the nameless enemy forcing inflation and shortages is going to be real easy to marshal.

Its going to be a combination of the blitz with the coof 24/7.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  trumpton
3 years ago

We’ll see soon enough. To quote Z, reality is the one thing that does not go away when you no longer believe it. I think that reality includes hunger and general deprivation even though the propaganda generally works.

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  Anonymous White Male
3 years ago

Modern society, the machine world is antithetical to freedom. Small hold farmers and craftsman can do their jobs as they see fit and either reap the benefits or face the consequences.

After the industrial revolution, people can’t make choices or the system falters and may even die.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  A.B Prosper
3 years ago

“After the industrial revolution, people can’t make choices or the system falters and may even die.”

Here’s a short, readable book you should read:

https://www.alibris.com/The-Servile-State-Hilaire-Belloc/book/6020728?matches=58

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
3 years ago

“Nationalism needs to explain why the Zelensky government violated its duty to the people by picking a fight with Russia. It also has to explain why Ukrainian patriots are right to defend their country, even if their government is a corrupt puppet regime of another power.”

Agreed on both points. I suspect the primary reason the State Department recoils at Putin’s claims (cynical, but still) that he wants to “de-Nazify” the Ukraine is that has the potential to instill the sense “their” government was a puppet of Globalism.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

The issues raised here are some of the toughest challenges we face and that I’ve also been brooding over. And the challenges for American and for European nationalists are similar but not identical. White Americans are sort of the genetic mix of all the national varieties of Europeans. But both sides of the Atlantic absolutely need a positive program. And it is frankly darn hard to come up with. I’ve been listening to podcasts about the French/European nationalist Dominique Venner, a very interesting man. The problem of a positive creed for Western nationalists has been ruminating in my mind for… Read more »

Götterdamn-it-all
Götterdamn-it-all
3 years ago

This article, which I came across at Revolver this morning, shows anyone with half a brain why the current government in Ukraine is nothing more than a puppet regime…

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220304-zelensky-invokes-judaism-to-rally-support-for-ukrainian-cause

Choose your brand of nationalism carefully!

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Götterdamn-it-all
3 years ago

Gotterdamn-it-all: Thank you for the link. It directly refutes the standard propaganda that commenter ‘Anna’ peddles, but that won’t deter her (why I disagree with Compsci that she ought to be ‘welcomed’ to comment here with an ‘alternative’ viewpoint).

TomA
TomA
3 years ago

Nuts & bolts at the root of the problem. Today’s blog post is an attempt to begin to fix things that are broken, i.e. build up a positive agenda and rally the sane. That can work if we are not at Stage 4 of the societal cancer that ails us. But methinks we have to go deeper and expose some brutal truths of the present. We live in a world in which everyone (legal citizen, illegal alien, and dead people) get to vote on the actors that govern us. And it shows in the quality of the “leadership” currently residing… Read more »

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  TomA
3 years ago

I might quibble on the idea that they are expert grifters and cons. Watching that debacle yesterday about the biological weapons facilities kinda highlighted the level of intellect we are dealing with here. One of the critiques the dissidents make about Conservative Inc is that they roll over and concede the moral high ground to Leftie. Yet the dissidents do too. Sure, we gripe about it and bark as we should… but we aren’t fighting it the way we might. There are no mass demonstrations with clear cut goals, no organized boycotts, no ‘mostly peaceful’ reprisals. I get that… but… Read more »

Tykebomb
Tykebomb
Reply to  Glenfilthie
3 years ago

We can’t do any of that. Whites were ethically cleansed from the cities a long time ago. That is the energy for direct action come from. We are simply too spread out.

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  Glenfilthie
3 years ago

Running into machine gun fire is doing something. Still, it’s not advisable.

Protests are for friends of the regime. When BLM and other leftists go into the streets, America, Inc tells the cops to stand down. Tells the media to give positive coverage. On occasion, they will also go out and kiss the protestor’s feets. When we, or even the cucks protest, they shoot our women in the face and then call the shooter a hero.

Stranger in a Strange Land
Stranger in a Strange Land
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
3 years ago

To wit:
K Harris sez: “Pollution from heavy-duty trucks and buses has made the air poisonous to breathe and this pollution is also, of course, accelerating the climate crises. Threatening the future not just of our communities, but of the entire world,”
Only thing left she left unsaid – so go shoot ’em in the face!

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Glenfilthie
3 years ago

the reason there are not mass demonstrations is because the masses are not in revolt. they are revolting in another sense of the word, however 😛

glenf, you call yourself as “yesterday man” but i think that is not so. you are a future man, whose time is yet to happen. but itz coming, soon…

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  Glenfilthie
3 years ago

Goals are what is needed more than anything. What do we want and what is the society like when we run it. Problem is most of us don’t want it. As I’ve noted before there simply is no benefit, It won’t make you live longer (probably shorter) be happier, get a better wife, raise good kids , be materially better off unless you really want a palace or really anything else. On top of that, you have to take away a lot of freedom in terms of material goods (closed markets) sexual liberty. weed, marriage and a host of things… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  TomA
3 years ago

Historically all great revolutions have been around a ‘holy faith’ that makes the revolutionaries part of a great, abstract brotherhood. We need to find our ‘Holy Creed for the White Man’. But saying that is about as easy as writing a masterpiece symphony. The hard part is actually writing a genuine masterpiece, not saying that you want to write one. It is not wanting to be a genius that is hard, it is actually being one that is, so to speak.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

But, Simba, not just any ol’ made up something. When Citizen said, “my race is my religion,” is cinched the deal for me.

lurking by the keyboard
lurking by the keyboard
Reply to  TomA
3 years ago

a good way to determine the worth of any leader, be it my immediate manager or the company ceo, or my neighbor, is: would I charge uphill into a hail of bullets for this person, knowing he would care for my family after I am dead?

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  lurking by the keyboard
3 years ago

No. But I’d charge “with” this person into a hail of fire. Leadership is not granted, but earned. Given today’s situation with just about anyone in “authority”, I’d need to see “proof” of any individuals claim to authority/leadership.

Severian
3 years ago

Localism for the win. An American version of pan-Slavism is doomed to fail, for the simple reason that people like me (i.e. sane people) want nothing to do with the folks in California or the East Coast, even if they’re White. Make that especially if they’re White. BLM and La Raza hate me and want me dead, sure, but that’s an easy fix — barbed wire and machine gun nests are great for keeping the peace. Goodwhites, on the other hand, are termites. You let one in, and next thing you know your house is crashing down around you. It’s… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Severian
3 years ago

“We’ve always wondered what would happen to the cities if the EBT cards ran out. We’re about to find out, because it doesn’t matter if the card is charged when there’s nothing on the shelves”

Cities will burn soon over this.

“We have always been at war with Black Lives Matter,” they will claim on electronic and digital media.

One hundred percent with you on the localism and regionalism as the first move.

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Jack Dobson
3 years ago

What is the difference between the urban EBT card and the suburban guy working his cloud job? One trades idle time for money, the other productive time for money. All is held by the same hands. All can go away tomorrow. Covid and Canada were pretty clear signals that men will submit and comply or be separated from their money. And this on the heels of years of orange man bad, BLM, anti-racism, ADL, cancel culture that has already established the pattern of incremental submission and pre-conditioning toward choosing one’s personal livelihood over some suddenly expensive principle. Of the five… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Screwtape
3 years ago

“But it’s a fantasy to think that only the nogs are captive to the cloud economy and that somehow whites are not licking the same ball bearing to quench their thirst thus trapping them in the same cage. I don’t have the answers but it would be encouraging to hear even the questions being asked.” Is it really the same cloud? Bare shelves in an urban area vs. bare shelves in a suburban/rural area? Obviously not since we know one entails horrific violence and the other mostly economic immiseration. Agreed the questions need to be asked, and there are dependencies… Read more »

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  Jack Dobson
3 years ago

I’m not so sure. Globohomo can, does and will turn on a dime. Today, the rioters face no opposition. The cops back down. Anyone who is arrested is immediately released with no bail and given a good free lawyer. But what if the system doesn’t support them? What if the cops don’t back down? What if the judges get the message? What if the free legal services get the message? Whether it’s an emergent phenomenon or a conspiracy, all of the coordination that allows the rioting can easily go the other way to stop it. All of the inner city… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Severian
3 years ago

Localism will lead to piecemeal defeat of all of us. It is a good idea against tired and reasonable men. But we are up against universalist, zealous fanatics. We must build a power structure to compete with such a giant monster.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

It is the first step, and furthermore, is underway now.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Jack Dobson
3 years ago

Just make it grow, like a wildfire. Then I guess it could work.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

I’m not certain about that because I just don’t see where the fanatics are going to get enough doorkickers and power plant operators to enforce their regime on a widespread basis.

Heck, the US Navy already has a ship it won’t deploy because its captain won’t get the compliance injection, and a federal judge has somehow blocked his removal.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
3 years ago

History shows that this world’s Stalins and Pol Pots and Saddam Husseins can find their door kickers. Organization is absolute key. A few weeks back on this blog I was reminded of the German Peasants War in 15-something. 300.000 angry peasants, presumably with their farming implements and other weapons, against less than 9,000 professional soldiers. The professionals slaughtered them. Military history is full of similar loopsided stories. If we sit in little, localities, mutually isolated, they will pick us off one by one. OTOH, if the local spots bond and merge, that could reverse the dynamics. But history says that… Read more »

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

And, forgot to say, a ‘Holy Creed’, probably whatever it is, is key to organizing. Faith is probably the greatest MILITARY invention in history. It’s less important, for victory purposes, if it’s faith in Muhammad, Marx or God given liberty. This is why we need the positive creed. Its absence is the great, black hole in the heart of our arsenal.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

As you show there though, it’s less numbers and more organization and determination. An area with a couple thousand White mujahidin are going to have more where-with-all to defend themselves than some disjointed mass of 200 million bugmen who will all be looking for someone else to do the hard work.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

We agree. To have a ‘mujahideen’ you need a shared Holy Faith. THIS is what we need.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

However, what explains Afghanistan? That is precisely the worse case scenario you predict—small, isolated pockets of resistance. Defeated in all direct encounters, yet successful in the final outcome. Vietnam had a similar ending.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

Comsci, the Afghan and Vietnam wars comport with my thesis here because the winners (our enemies) had a holy faith to bind them together, Islam/Afghan nationalism in the former case, Communism/Vietnamese nationalism in the latter case, probably both nationalisms buttressed by ethnic elements. This shared ‘holy faith’ was the glue that allowed organization, ie cohesion, coordination and shared purpose, to hold up against massive losses on their side. So there is no contradiction between those (tragic) wars and the conjecture of ‘holy faith -> organization -> superior cohesion -> victory.’ It is this conjecture, which I believe true, that WE… Read more »

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Severian
3 years ago

brostein, sell up and move out. what is keeping you there?!

Felix Krull
Member
3 years ago

Most European nationalists are non-ideological blood and soil-types who don’t care about fascist iconography or ideology one way or another, they just want to grill and not have their lands given away to random passers-by. They are not fringe like in the US, they are a mass movement only held in check by overbearing propaganda. Ideologically, the organized natpop parties in Europe are almost all social democrats – they’re not actually nationalists though, but their voters don’t know that, they’re too busy grilling to care about politics. Nationalism needs to explain why the Zelensky government violated its duty to the… Read more »

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Felix Krull
3 years ago

homo grillus, cro-magnon’s dim witted ancestor :(. there is a mike judge movie in there somewhere…

Mazda
Mazda
3 years ago

If your “Nationalism” has you fighting for a Jewish comedian leader of a globalist government installed by the CIA in 2014 – you may want to seek out alternatives.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
3 years ago

“what’s so peculiar to me, is how people in this country will get energized about “helping” ukraine, but not about their own country.” Their TV sets tell them what to feel and think, and do, so that’s what theyy feel and think and do. If theyy are commanded to feed their children Fruityy Pebbles, that’s what theyy do. And their TV sets are telling them to feel morallyy outraged by Mr Putin b/c he is “a bullyy.” Their TV sets do *not* tell them to love or defend their *own* countryy, so that does not occur to them. It is… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
3 years ago

One of the main reasons the Globalist cabal wants to crush Russia is precisely to stop others from acting in their own interests. Brainwashing becomes more difficult when there are people who fight the system and win and remind everyone they won.

Putin’s fight really is not our fight, but it shows us how to fight and who to fight, so all stops are being pulled to whip the public into the Two Minutes of Hate against him. When he prevails, and it is almost certain, you will see a pivot to the next shiny thing.

trumpton
trumpton
3 years ago

So you wrote a whole piece on Ukraine nationalism. You did not mention Zelensky and his govt is a puppet, funded by a rich Jew living in Switzerland, who is also funding the militia and was placed there via coup by the US. The purpose of the govt was to antagonize Russia and create another US backed puppet state hemming Russia in, while at the same time acting as a country sized BCCI for many entities. This is not about nationalism, apart from as a smokescreen to further extra national interests at the expense of the Ukranians. The lesson if… Read more »

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

Its called contextualization.

Writing a whole piece about some imaginary nationalism mostly present in western media and internal militia groups both funded by outside interests and failing to mention it as the context is odd.

trumpton
trumpton
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

That the Nationalism in the Ukraine in the form described in the article does not exist apart from in the media as a propaganda construct?

The foundation its a false dichotomy as the entire thing is not remotely about nationalism?

Astralturf
Astralturf
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

I think trumpton’s point bares repeating until people like Greg “loves the” Johnson and Dickie Spencer are sufficiently ignored and marginalized. There are plenty of DR peeps who get away with pretending the situation in the Ukraine has anything to do with “real” nationalism.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
3 years ago

The Globalist project is happy to use whatever disposable tool – including Ukranian nationalism – that’s handy to advance its aims. We saw it in the whole Yugoslavia episode wherein we had to “bomb some folks” because of the nationalistic aspirations of Kosovo or Bosnia or something nobody besides a Hapsburg historian understands. But the people in East Timor didn’t qualify with the Globo-project for some reason, nor the Kurds nor the Haziris……. So it’s all single-ply, “toilet paper” nationalism. I look forward to that sunny day when Ukraine joins the EU and then is forced to accept 2 million… Read more »

Greg Johnson
Greg Johnson
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

What is the lesson? That politicians can be traitors? I think we got this.

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

That is tragically true. As someone put it recently, in the context of Ireland wanting to import 1 million Africans into a country of 4 million Irish, they spent 800 years fighting for their independence, and threw it away in 70 years.

The 1 million Bongos plan, now there’s something really blowing things up over for the IRA’s bomb makers. But not a squeak from Adams and his bomber boys.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

bobby sands died for somebody’s sins, but not mine, they belong to me. guffaw.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

Ireland went full on gay, Ilya feminist, BLM worshiping and uber pro abortion in the blink of an eye.

The full court press against the parallel institution of the Catholic Church was the only bulwark that could resist globohomo. When it crumbled, Ireland descended into the same egocentric, selfish, civilization killing madness as the rest of the western world.

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  ProZNoV
3 years ago

That was the damned Catholic Churches fault. It reached a critical mass of sadists, sodomites and chomos in power and became worthless.

This was 1965 which was also the year of immigration reform, in essence the Slow Suicide of the West year one.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

One of those lessons is to keep out foreign propaganda and influence. It was a long road from Michael Collins to Gerry Adams, and it had a soundtrack. The Hungarians and the Poles have taken note.

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

Rod Dreher is normally useless, but his trips to Hungary have helped him gain some sanity. He has made comments for a couple of years about Poland. He has talked to devout Catholics there who say the young people in Poland are overwhelmingly on the side of the globalists. They are not hopeful about the future of Poland although it sounds like their has been a slow down in the migration out of the country.

John Flynt
John Flynt
Reply to  Jack Dobson
3 years ago

“One of those lessons is to keep out foreign propaganda and influence” That is impossible if you are in GAE’s sphere. This is fantasy politics. Running a country is not theory. This would not happen, in any sphere to be frank unless it’s a very weak one about to crumble. You impose your values on vassals period. Poland and Hungary haven’t taken note of anything. Poland is on the fast track to become the next Ireland. Cratering brith rates, low church attendance, an extremely liberal mass media, NGO’s up the whazoo, Globohomo corp colonization, a strong main opposition party that… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  John Flynt
3 years ago

“And it will not be easy to reverse any of this. GAE likes to diversify areas under it’s occupation. You can’t take that deal back. What was is gone forever ala the thylacine.”

Without doubt. GAE isn’t very sanguine about its eventual triumph, though, otherwise it could dispense with the colonization.

As for Hungary and Poland, GAE hasn’t been able to eliminate substantial opposition to it within its own borders. Cynicism is justified but defeatism is not.

Greg Johnson
Greg Johnson
Reply to  Captain Willard
3 years ago

I look forward to the day when based Ukrainians join NATO and the EU and push back against the pozz along with countries like Poland and Hungary.

Or are you one of those people who thinks that nationalist politics is futile?

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
Reply to  Greg Johnson
3 years ago

But will they have the power to push back or will they get sucked into the borg?
It’s the same thing we see with patriotic Americans trying to work within our system.
They get Lindsay Graham or Mitch McConnell representing them.
I like the idea of a separate Eastern European organization separate from the EU.
But I liked the American Confederacy too.
And we all know what happened there.

John Flynt
John Flynt
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
3 years ago

Poland and Hungary are one election away from being not that different politically from western Europe.

Their demographics have been spared more from being outside GAE’s sphere longer than W europe. They will catch up on that too.

They are not pushing back against anything.

Protip. If your main opposition party accepts lgbtq blm etc (like they do in Hungary and Poland) the fight is lost already, the “based” party is on it much more than you think.

How to tell the Russosphere is opposed to GAE. The communists and Liberal democrats aren’t fighting United Russia to institute pride month.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Greg Johnson
3 years ago

Do you think a based Ukraine will be enough to counter the other dozen or so pozzed member countries of the EU? I can’t see that happening. What I think is far more realistic is that a country like Italy defaults, their economy goes to shit, and then a natural consensus forms to break off from the EU and get back to the Lira and economic and national sovereignty. A European decoupling from America is probably also in the cards, and I think that is a necessary ingredient to European people finding their identify again and getting things back to… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
3 years ago

“Whatever comes next for America will have to be rooted in a positive agenda that promotes a future that inspires the target population.”

” … positive agenda … target population”

sounds like a job for Alec Baldwin.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
3 years ago

That caught my eye as well.

Just because I hate it doesn’t mean it’s not 100% accurate though. It’ll have to be the youngin’s though, and I hope they succeed.

A forced top-down faux nationalism enforced by a toxic nexus of government, private companies, and banks to compel groupthink is too awful to bear.

btp
Member
3 years ago

I don’t disagree, exactly. But I’m not sure how necessary it is to have a successful revolution. But this overall point is similar to one Jordan Peterson raised a few months back: what makes you think you will create something better, you who complains on the internet about how bad things are? It’s a good point, but how difficult is it? “Our program is to not let them cut your son’s genitals off,” seems like a perfectly valid platform. If we need a morality: “All the things that might eventually lead to them trying to cut your son’s genitals off… Read more »

TomA
TomA
Reply to  btp
3 years ago

Yes, history can be a useful form of education. Some solutions are so unambiguously effective that you just want to smack yourself on the head and say . . . why didn’t I think of that?

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
3 years ago

what’s so peculiar to me, is how people in this country will get energized about “helping” ukraine, but not about their own country. is it just lack of self-awareness and introspection? or are they just pathologically altruistic, and helping their own country just doesn’t give them the “hit” they crave? just don’t see people here fighting for anything, like is going on in ukraine. when the going gets tough, fleas get a new dog.

Memebro
Memebro
Reply to  karl von hungus
3 years ago

I think the problem is that most Americans, even a lot of the non-white kind, sort of see this country as something “other” than the rest of the world. Like, Americans have been so desensitized by Hollywood that most of us view the world outside of America as if it was all a movie and we’re just sitting in a theater eating popcorn. It isn’t just external events, because for 99% of us, George Floyd riots and other domestic problems are equally viewed “from afar”. Sure, maybe the nearest metropolitan center has a shooting on a regular basis, but we… Read more »

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Memebro
3 years ago

good observations. i think the operant conditioning works in both directions; to move people away from the “taboo” (anti-narrative), and also to move them towards the “good” (narrative). somewhere b. f. is smiling…

Moran ya Simba
Moran ya Simba
Reply to  karl von hungus
3 years ago

There is something deeply sick about modern Westerners. They will sacrifice to help some deserted village on the far side of the moon. But not lift a finger to keep their own neighborhoods livable for the next five years. Nature has an answer for that kind of impractical stupid. But it’s not a nice one.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

The SWPL crowd is the embodiment of the saying, “Familiarity breeds contempt,” when it comes to dealing with their neighbors.

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  Moran ya Simba
3 years ago

This isn’t new. Dickens called it Telescopic Philanthropy way back in 1852.

Mr. Generic
Mr. Generic
Reply to  karl von hungus
3 years ago

It’s not that complicated. Most people are literal NPCs who get dopamine hits from the online attention they get for supporting CURRENT THING!

Joey Jünger
Joey Jünger
Reply to  karl von hungus
3 years ago

Every time someone talks to me about the Ukraine, I point out that something like ninety thousand Americans are dying every year from opioid overdoses. Why, I ask, are you more worried about a few hundred people dying on the other side of the world than about far more people dying around you in your neighborhoods and towns? They never have an answer. I guess it’s ultimately because the people with the bullhorn (as Sailer calls it) want to talk about the Ukraine, and not about the nightmare here at home. The people, as Mayor Quimby once observed, are a… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Joey Jünger
3 years ago

The people controlling the media bullhorn are the same people making billions off whites overdosing on opioids.

terranigma
terranigma
Reply to  karl von hungus
3 years ago

The core reason Americans are not energized about helping Americans is rooted in the domain of religion. The sick, weak impostor that calls itself Christianity says that Christians are to serve the world, which is the domain of the adversary. The pithy and revealing version is that our Judeo-Christian values declare that Christians are to be the slaves of Lucifer. The affect of this is akin to having a child grow up under a devouring mother and degrading their mind to what is affectionately called Borderline Personality Disorder. Like the above child, many Americans cannot feel positive feedback for helping… Read more »

Hi - Ya!
Hi - Ya!
Reply to  terranigma
3 years ago

Pick your religion! Haha! Well, you certainly are a Liberal and a modern

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  karl von hungus
3 years ago

In America, there is a strong incentive to see the losers in your family and town as a type of enemy, because separating oneself mentally and spiritually and physically from the bad apples in one’s family and midst is a prerequisite to becoming a financial success. So we have a good chunk of the population, social climbers from the middle class if you will, who individually have the smarts and ambition to succeed — just that doing so means you have to start cutting people off. “Making the right life decisions” and so forth. This is a sort of national… Read more »

imbroglio
imbroglio
3 years ago

But where is this new political reality to come from? If nationalism is an indentity that emerges, over time, from “blut und erde,” there’s lot of mixed “blut” and the “erde” is always in transition. History is the rollout, in time, of facts on the ground. I was speaking with some local Ukrainian emigres, now citizens,going on two years ago, Trump voters all. “Pan-Slavism” has no appeal for them. It was more like curse the Russians for what they did to the kulaks. If the coming hardship lasts long enough and is severe enough to wring our ruling class’ decadence… Read more »

btp
Member
Reply to  imbroglio
3 years ago

Well, this is why the American version is simply about those who are White. On the other hand, can you name your great-great grandfather? I mean, it’s worth remembering that Horsa and Hengist said their 8th grandfather was Odin.

Xin Loi
Xin Loi
Reply to  btp
3 years ago

I can name all eight of mine. How about you?

btp
Member
Reply to  Xin Loi
3 years ago

I cannot, which is my point. I think very few Americans can do so, which means that we are all somewhat like the “founders” of England – our near ancestors might as well be mythic figures

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  btp
3 years ago

You may be right, but the popularity of pay-to-play genealogy sites and TV shows such as “Who do You Think You Are?” and “Finding Your Roots” suggest enough people are interested to make them profitable. (As to my own family, I know the names *and* the stories. I suppose that’s easier when your family goes back generations in the same place.)

Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Mysteerious Rooshian Vooman
Reply to  imbroglio
3 years ago

“ … blut und erde … .”

Blut und Boden.

Joey Jünger
Joey Jünger
3 years ago

Faye’s “archeofuturism” holds a lot of potential as a way forward. It solves the problem of just withdrawing, a la the Amish or Rod Dreher’s Benedicts. You create an intentional community (or preferably carve out a state), eschewing cultural degeneracy but keeping technological pace with both friends and enemies outside, to avoid the hermit kingdom problem. The story’s probably an apocryphal embellishment, but Peter the Great dressing himself as a common sailor and walking among the Dutch to bring shipbuilding skills back to his empire is a telling example. There are smart, decent people in America who already sort of… Read more »

Iron Maiden
Iron Maiden
Reply to  Joey Jünger
3 years ago

Two points: “If the family is the smallest unit of government, there are already a lot of people in America who’ve seceded.” This is one of the main areas we must not lose the battle. The ruling class strongly abhors the notion of family and is doing everything in its power to crush this natural institution. The sexual degeneracy is as much a means as an end, as it focuses human populations away from procreation to mindless hedonism. “At least if we were officially at war with them, we would be able to deal with the problem head-on.” This has… Read more »

Melissa
Melissa
Reply to  Joey Jünger
3 years ago

Last week in PA, a funeral was held for Matthew Perna. He took his own life while awaiting sentencing after pleading guilty to four charges related to the “insurrection”. He walked around the capital that day and took photos. There were hearing delays and court postponements. It dragged on for over a year. He was to be sentenced in early April. The process was the punishment but we’ve all seen their plans for those evil insurgents, rotting away in DC jails. These are well meaning people who knew the election was stolen and believed they still had rights. The left… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Joey Jünger
3 years ago

In terms of sheer ethnic mass the over 1 billion Han Chinese would be a larger issue if the US were to break up.

They already have colonies on the West Coast and are deeply embedded in all of our academic institutions.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
3 years ago

“Uniting any group in America is a gargantuan task”.
I’m not sure that’s true. Uniting diverse groups is an impossible task. Dogs and cats may look similar, but they ain’t the same.

Hi -Ya!
Hi -Ya!
3 years ago

This silly man is actually going to fight for the The Ukraine. I did training with his outfit in Tenn. Good at self defense, but they had posters of Osamma with a target on him and stuff like that. I’m thinking, “its 2020, pal YOU are Ossama now”

This is why we keep losing:

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=yeager

JeepEr
JeepEr
Reply to  Hi -Ya!
3 years ago

I read somewhere that he has recently been diagnosed with ALS so he’s doing this rather than degenerating slowly over time.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  thezman
3 years ago

but he will make it to the bank. supposedly he is willing to fight and die for the ukraine, but he won’t spend his own money to do so? just another murphy (sans beard).

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  karl von hungus
3 years ago

James Yeager is a grifter—first class. He was a contractor in Iraq and left under accusations of cowardliness and abandoning his folk under fire. I do not know the truth, but his fellow contractors were angry enough to publish such on the Internet. Yeager has since made YouTube videos and runs firearms “training” clinics for those with more money than sense. There are dozens of people like him in this business. They are all “expert” former whatevers in the military and quick to step up and “lead/train” the gullible civilian market. I even have had experience with one locally. They… Read more »

Hi - Ya!
Hi - Ya!
Reply to  karl von hungus
3 years ago

In a way, he’s a mercenary, just hired by dummies from all over

NateG
NateG
Reply to  Hi -Ya!
3 years ago

If this guy does make it to Ukraine, I have this gut feeling that things aren’t going to end up well for him.

A.B Prosper
A.B Prosper
Reply to  NateG
3 years ago

So he dies? And? Lots of men want one less fight

Its not his people or a worthy fight but he isn’t the kind to go out in a blaze of glory taking on The Real Enemy ™

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  NateG
3 years ago

As I said, Yeager is a grifter. He will never get into a battle and probably never even cross the Ukraine border. But if he does go over there—or anywhere near—he’ll come back and recall stories of great encounters with the Russians and spin that into $$$. Same as he did after Iraq.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Compsci
3 years ago

“Three Bowls of Borsht”, interview on Oprah!

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Hi -Ya!
3 years ago

As seen on Twitter:

I think these American veterans going to Ukraine to fight are going to have a very rude awakening when they realize they have neither air superiority or artillery dominance like they’re used to.

NateG
NateG
Reply to  ProZNoV
3 years ago

I get visions of Angola, 1975, when U.S. mercenaries entered a chaotic situation and ended up before a firing squad.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  NateG
3 years ago

was that in any way related to the movie “Dogs of War”?

NateG
NateG
Reply to  karl von hungus
3 years ago

No. I believe that was about Hoare, a mercenary in the Congo war of 1964. In Angola, the mercenaries had only small arms and fought against tanks and artillery and it didn’t end well for them. The Cubans fighting for the communists said the mercenaries were poorly led and equipped well, probably much like what will happen in Ukraine.

Tykebomb
Tykebomb
Reply to  ProZNoV
3 years ago

Also why I’m bullish on civil war being a good thing. The US military doesn’t do counter insurgency. We just level the damn city. How long are the bonds of friendship going to hold when Lt. Normie calls in a drone strike on Memaw’s trailer. How long will he resist the DEI officers whispering in his ear about the inhuman nazi successionists?

mikebravo
mikebravo
Reply to  ProZNoV
3 years ago

Homage to Catalonia is lost on these fools.
Going off to be a hero in a war they know nothing about sounds like a wheeze.
If he gets caught by the other side he may well end up recieving a good old partisan roasting.

Neon_Bluebeard
Neon_Bluebeard
Reply to  ProZNoV
3 years ago

Russia has stated that they want and encourage UKR soldiers to surrender and that they will be treated well. AZOV battalion and “foreign mercenaries” will be interrogated and then shot.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Neon_Bluebeard
3 years ago

That’s a good point. Merc’s have no protection and treated little better than spy’s. And no, an Ukrainian ID won’t save you.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Hi -Ya!
3 years ago

If he does survive (dubious) and is able to observe reality, his experience may not be unlike Orwell’s. The United States has a number of reasons it does not want its citizens to fight for the Ukraine, and among those are an awareness that could take place about the utter rot of their own nation.