The Never Ending Fantasy

For months now, the collective West has been talking about the great Ukrainian counter-offensive that is due any day now. This started when they realized they were not going to talk the Russians into launching a big winter offensive. Instead, the Russians kept grinding down the Ukrainians at places like Bakhmut. When that became too obvious to ignore, the West shifted to this new narrative. Western media now tells us the great Ukrainian counter-offensive is nigh!

Woven into this new narrative are bits of an old narrative. For example, there was talk of starting the counter-offensive early in order to send a relieving force to Bakhmut, like the Allies did to relieve Bastogne from the Germans. Instead, Ukraine just kept funneling troops and equipment into a death trap. According to the leaked documents, assuming they are real, tens of thousands of Ukrainians have died in Bakhmut, while the Russians have suffered about a tenth of the losses.

It looks like we are now getting a new narrative structure in time for the great Ukrainian counter-offensive and it is also from the Second World War. This new narrative structure builds on the D-Day landings. According to a post in Foreign Policy, Ukraine will try to break through Russian defenses in the South in order to develop a beachhead, from which they will then launch attacks into the Russian rear. Those naked Russians armed only with shovels will panic and run back to Moscow.

For those unfamiliar, the phrase “the longest day” comes from the 1962 war film about the landings on Omaha beach. Megastars of the day like Henry Fonda and John Wayne starred in the film. The movie was based on a book that claimed to be a non-fiction account of the landings. The reason for the title was that the landings were a near-run thing that could have gone either way. If they failed, it would have seriously harmed the allied war effort.

This is not the first time that Western narrative makers have plucked material from American war films. The chatter about relief of the Bakhmut defenders is the most recent example. Even though it did not happen as the script demanded, it was a good story, so the narrative makers are back at it with a new narrative plucked from the glory days of the American empire. Never mind that the Nazis are not exactly the bad guys in this telling of those old stories.

If this long discussed attack by Ukraine happens, it will go down as the most bizarre military operation in history. The lesson lost from those old military operations that are the basis of these new narratives is that secrecy is key. The Allies did not spend months talking about the invasion of France. They did not announce that they ordered Patton’s 3rd Army to relieve the defenders of Bastogne. The world learned of these events after they happened, not while they were planned.

This raises the possibility that this counter-offensive is just another clever story for the so-called leaders of the collective. One reason the West is running out of material for this war is they forced the Ukrainians to mount a counterattack in the south last fall, in order to provide material for their narrative. At that time, the story was the Russians were in full retreat, so the narrative makers wanted some content to use in support of their stories about the imminent collapse of Russia.

Theatrically, it worked, but the Ukrainians lost tens of thousands of men and much of their best equipment while attacking Russians defenses. For their part, the Russians were willing to give up ground, as it allowed them to pound the Ukrainians from a safe distance using their superior artillery. From a military perspective, it was a disaster for Ukraine, but it gave the narrative writers material. In this war of attrition, the West continues to fight a meme war to win the internet.

This has been the case since the start of the war. Policy makers in the collective West have spent as much time creating soothing stories for the political class as they have planning and executing the actual war. One of the things that comes through in this document leak story is that policy makers do not have a handle on what is actually happening on the ground. Again, the documents may not be real, but they fit a pattern of ignorance that has been the subtext of this war.

This is a pattern that goes back much further. The war in Iraq followed a similar arc as this proxy war with Russia. Back then, the narrative makers told the politicians that the Iraqis would “welcome us a liberators.” Many of the same people involved in that debacle are involved in this one. They also got everything wrong about the Afghanistan mission, as well as its ending. Of course, they deliberately lied about the origins of ISIS, painting them as freedom fighters.

As with those prior debacles, the planners are so sure of their preferred narrative that they never bother to think about updating it. In Iraq, they were sure democracy would spontaneously break out any day. In Syria, they were sure the Assad regime would collapse any day. They are still sure of it. In Iran, they have been sure the mullahs are done for going on half a century. Now they are sure Russia in on the verge of collapse and nothing will change their mind.

The thing is reality never shakes their faith in their fantasy. The failures in the Muslim world changed no minds in the collective West. None of the planners were dragged into court and made to answer for their lies and omissions. In each case, the dogs barked, and the caravan moved on to the next manufactured crisis. We see the pattern repeating with this proxy war on Russia. Being outlandishly wrong about events on the ground brings no penalty to the people committing the blunders.

In the fullness of time, if there are people around interested and able to write about this age, they may refer to this as the age of fantasy in the West. Rather than tend to that which was bequeathed to them by their ancestors, the West indulged in a series of fantasies that were increasingly at odds with reality. In the end, they managed only to burn through their inheritance, leaving the West in poverty. That may be the good ending to this never-ending fantasy.


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Redpill Boomer
Redpill Boomer
1 year ago

Z-man, funny you should mention the Christian Identity movement. I had some dealings with them while I was active in the Arizona Libertarian party. I found them a little scary, and of course didn’t admit that I was an atheist. They were clear about their “whites only” policy but I don’t recall hearing anything about Jews, after all they only accepted Christians. I never considered what their view of a Jewish convert to Christianity might be.

Redpill Boomer
Redpill Boomer
Reply to  Redpill Boomer
1 year ago

I’m a bit skeptical about the “Russians are in on it” argument, not least because I want to believe that Putin is our guy. First of all, it’s not so easy to rid a nation of the Rothschilds and their vile influences. Participation in globalist organizations is no proof either, certainly they need to keep abreast of the enemy. Like most governments, Russia has factions, both pro-Western and hardline. It all sounds like the “grand conspiracy” argument that lacks credibility because nobody can control everything.

Redpill Boomer
Redpill Boomer
Reply to  Redpill Boomer
1 year ago

I am just messing everything up today! Meant to post the preceding comment in the Friday thread and the first reply was to challenge the anti-Russian thread. Oh well.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
1 year ago

OT: Here is your Thursday evening bugman happy hour update from western zoo yuck. So, things were going fine, until the guy who moved here from out West worked three other self-hating bugmen into a froth about how, “ID, MT, ND, SD, WY are full of Nazi racist white-supremacists with Confederate flags everywhere and they have trucks with, ‘Go Back to Africa!’ painted on the side!!!!” There was also a discussion of a co-worker and the hoodie he wears to work with the, “AR > skateboard,” symbology for Kyle R (which is a poor tactical choice IMO). The bugs don’t… Read more »

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 year ago

What is wrong with these people? Nothing that we can fix.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
1 year ago

Throw in an occasional, “look on the bright side, at least Trump is out of office,” and they will accept you as one of their own

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

It can be fixed, in minecraft, of course.

Sim1776
Sim1776
1 year ago

Z, why do you keep posting like the Russians are actually accomplishing anything? There is no magical 5D strategy. Russia’s oligarchs do not wish to “win” here; they just want s sesr at the Globohomo table.
I think you should check out what Prigozhin and Strelkov have to say since they’re actually fighting in this conflict.

Sim1776
Sim1776
Reply to  Sim1776
1 year ago

I’ll even provide you a pink to some of Prigozhin’s latest remarks.
https://roloslavskiy.substack.com/p/prigozhin-we-await-the-nationalist?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Sim1776
1 year ago

His English is outstanding

RealityRules
RealityRules
1 year ago

Speaking of a never ending fantasy. This might be worth covering on a show: https://youtu.be/w5WiyN8WYI4?t=2040 In the face of that, I would ask them: Do they want that war or are they waging that war? Look at the massive declines in elite college acceptance rates, the 10% decline in board seats in just four years, Wells Fargo excluding lending for one racial group, every major fellowship and scholarship program excluding a single group by race and gender, decimation in opportunity in acting and modeling, demonization of a single race starting in kindergarten … … You also have to ask the… Read more »

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  RealityRules
1 year ago

I would bet money that within ten years or so mainstream White Christian churches will be claiming Jesus was black and these cucks will go along with it and still say going to church is the answer.

Vxxc
Vxxc
1 year ago

“ From a military perspective, it was a disaster for Ukraine, but it gave the narrative writers material.”

This has worked before: the Tet Offensive was catastrophic for the VN Communists and they lost their entire human infrastructure in the South as well as many Northern Regiments, but Walter Conkrite was able to paint it as a defeat. So false narratives do work the other way 🤣.”

It’s like Civil Rights; narrative is all they know. That and profiting from carnage.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Vxxc
1 year ago

They’re not wrong. Narrative triumphs over reality all the time. Every day. The plandemic. Diversity is our strength. Climate change. Gender fluidity…… It’s the whole reason the DR exists.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

All the time, yes. But not for all time. But I’ll admit narrative can have a pretty long run.

usNthem
usNthem
1 year ago

Just like that damn Walensky lying about the covid “vax” stopping transmission. None of these governmental F-ers ever pays any penalty for their lies. At some point, they must be made to pay.

On another note and more in line with today’s post, I saw the Longest Day sometime in the late ’70’s at a theater. I’d call it the Longest Movie – I actually took a date and it wasn’t my best effort…

Neoliberal Feudalism
1 year ago

Personally, I have come to the conclusion that the Ukraine war is fake and gay and supported on both sides by globohomo to fulfill numerous geopolitical objectives. These include: 1. First, it was designed to shift the focus away from a flailing COVID narrative without allowing any of the perpetrators to pay for false fear-mongering, such as Dr. Fauci, the CDC, and the plethora of doctors, nurses, scientists, government and media organizations that pushed it not just nationally but worldwide. 2. 

Second, it providing a “Russia’s at fault” excuse for politicians to shift blame for soaring inflation, which was fundamentally… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Neoliberal Feudalism
1 year ago

For the timing to work, Russia had to be a willing partner in the scheme. Otherwise, it’s just dumb luck that they invaded when they did.

So, what’s in it for them?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

A quarter of the pie and a a promise that we won’t nuke them first.

Russia’s paying a protection tax while boosting their economy WWll style.

Neoliberal Feudalism
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

Hi Jeffrey, the elite in Russia, including Putin, are globohomo stooges. Russia was (1) fully onboard with the COVID lockdowns, (2) fully onboard with the forced COVID vaccines, (3) it is deep into its research into CBDCs, (4) it is busy implementing “15 minute smart cities”, (5) Putin was a WEF Young Leader and his rise is due to having a malleable pro-western outlook (no matter how much he is propagandized as a “hard right” Russian nationalist in the west), (6) Putin renominated Russian central bank governor Elvira Nabiullina after she sent $300-400 billion dollars abroad to be seized by… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Neoliberal Feudalism
1 year ago

I could buy it, it’s not the first time I’ve suspected that some percentage of what’s going on in Ukraine is fake, except for one big glaring item…….. BRICS+ is definitely moving away from globohomo economically

Neoliberal Feudalism
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

Hi Jeffrey, BRIC and Saudi have Rothschild owned central banks. A multi-polar world is in their interests, not against it. I’ll just point you to two things on this point: 1. Here’s Alex Soros almost 10 years ago hoping the US government will fail: https://www.instagram.com/p/BEwgmuxKccI/ 2. Globohomo rigged the recent Brazil presidential election to install Lula, who then turned around and immediately announced de-dollarization. Why would they have rigged it for him if de-dollarization wasn’t in their interests? The central bank owners want a transition to a multi-polar world to further their long-term goals to reduce the population of the… Read more »

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  Neoliberal Feudalism
1 year ago

I suspect the neocons do want to go in for the kill and take out Russia, but they’ll find themselves back on their leashes before that happens. Russia’s elites are the same as our elites, they see themselves having more in common with their purported geopolitical rivals than the dirty peasants over whom they rule. Notably Russia’s new law against criticizing the war has only been employed against complaining patriots who want to see Russia fight to win instead this meat grinder stalemate, just as our law against Stealing People’s Democracy only gets used against conservitard patriots. Can’t have any… Read more »

mderpelding
mderpelding
1 year ago

Perhaps the purpose of the war in the Ukraine is to kill off Ukrainians. The Russians, for their part in playing the bad guys, get the eastern sections. Meanwhile, the U.S. gets the rest. Productive assets in what remains of the Ukraine will be available for investment/purchase by all the large mutual funds. All that pension money flowing into Wall Street has to go somewhere. We are seeing what is called the “Great Reset”.

Mike

miforest
Member
Reply to  mderpelding
1 year ago

mderpelding for the win! absolutely. nothing else really makes sense. when the germans got a little queasy at the scale of the murder , we blew up their pipeline to keep them in the fold

old gezer
old gezer
Reply to  mderpelding
1 year ago

this president will go down in history as the country’s worst ever.

is there anyone with the cojones to confront him with that fact ?

mderpelding
mderpelding
Reply to  old gezer
1 year ago

Biden was always a useful patsy. Notice how the corporate media is starting to notice his limited cognitive capabilities?

Another fun thought…have you noticed that the leaders of the great reset are Roman Catholic or Eastern/Russian Orthodox?
Seven of the nine judges on the Supreme Court are Catholic.
Florida, New York, and Florida are governed by Catholics. And I’d guess that Catholics are in positions of power in many more states. I’m not screaming “conspiracy” here, just noticing.

Mike

David Wright
Member
Reply to  mderpelding
1 year ago

Are you jewish?

mderpelding
mderpelding
Reply to  David Wright
1 year ago

No. My family name is originally Erpeldange. My ancestors are from Luxemburg, and I am Catholic.

Mike

mderpelding
mderpelding
Reply to  mderpelding
1 year ago

Poor editing on my part, I meant Florida, New York, and California. Also, consider the silly term “Hispanic”.
Instead of “Hispanic”, substitute “Catholic”. Makes more sense.

Mike

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  mderpelding
1 year ago

Welp, it looks like the global Church has certainly sold out for its share in the new world order. Argentine gay pimp Francis, anyone?

The bishops of old were no stranger to political realities, either, the Medici’s, for instance were never excommunicated, nor was Charlemagne. Quite the opposite.

Even the Council of Nicea was a balance-of-power sharing arrangement, translated into religious jargon for ready adoption by the masses.

*Father: Judaic merchant network
*Son: Romano-Christian cities
*Holy Ghost: “Pagan” traditionalists (Viking, Roman, Local Heritage [re saints], Persian, Arab minorities)

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
1 year ago

Jeez, the entire Bible from beginning to end is a political chronicle of shifting power balances.

No deities, no Diety, not an ounce nor quintilla, of the super-natural in it.

They had no knowledge or science of the afterlife in it, only guesses based on sparse shards of what the White pre-Flood civilizations (that’s an accurate statement) knew near instinctively before them.

The “rise of civilization” in some ways was a degraded copy of the one before it, yet with many of its own advances, such as metallurgy.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  mderpelding
1 year ago

More like the Great Theft…From the Ukrainians and the US taxpayers…all going to the “right” people…

mderpelding
mderpelding
Reply to  pyrrhus
1 year ago

The elite always gets their cut. Consider the crusades. The Church provided asset protection while the elite went to the middle east. They also promised that the elite could increase their assets through plunder. Note the sacking and plunder of Constantinople. Oops…plundered the wrong people.
I guess my point is that the elite are always interested in plunder. The Brits, and in the last century Americans, have mastered it.

Mike

Vernichten
Vernichten
Reply to  mderpelding
1 year ago

Considering the crusades one would have to acknowledge that the masters of looting would be the French.

They destroyed the eastern Roman Empire with the fourth one. You know, the plundering of Constantinople?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Vernichten
1 year ago

*glares across Channel, shakes fist*

Hun
Hun
1 year ago

Prigozhin, the founder of Wagner is saying:

The Ukrainian army has gathered a sufficient number of forces. About 200 thousand already sufficiently trained fighters, who have passed two or three months of training and coordination, are ready to perform combat tasks. The amount of weapons and ammunition is quite enough for these 200 thousand to go on the offensive in various directions.

Is he lying?

Gespenst
Gespenst
Reply to  Hun
1 year ago

Don’t expect the truth from any source in any war, especially this one.The Wagner guy was bellyaching a while ago that Russia was withholding ammunition from his mercs. Seems to have been not the case at all, but might have been a ploy to get more stuff. This 200,000 troop story might be made up to coax more money or stuff out of the Russians; it could be true, exaggerated, or false, like anything you hear these days.

AlsoSprachZoomerthustra
AlsoSprachZoomerthustra
Reply to  Gespenst
1 year ago

The Wagner guy has political aspirations within Russia as well—I haven’t decided whether remembering what his name is yet is worthwhile; for now I call him “Wagner guy”

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Gespenst
1 year ago

So I am not supposed “expect the truth from any source in any war”, but I should trust bloggers across the ocean and commenters on a blog?

The downvote is amusing.

plato spaghetti
plato spaghetti
Reply to  Hun
1 year ago

Ukraine is winning! The science is settled!

Hun
Hun
Reply to  plato spaghetti
1 year ago

I didn’t say Ukraine is winning. I said that even Prigozhin, who is closer to the action than any blogger, admits that Ukrainians are preparing for an offensive. He also claims that the main reason why the offensive keeps getting delayed is because the Americans are telling them to wait. They want the war to be as long as possible.

Davidcito
Reply to  Hun
1 year ago

Follow the money. Mercenaries want job security like everyone else. Ask him or ask the pentagon if they have serious enemies that require endless war. Answer will always be yes. You think a mercenary would say “no my services arent necessary.”

Avery
Member
Reply to  Davidcito
1 year ago

In this war though Wagner have been consistently more reliable about events on the ground than the Russian (or Ukrainian) government.

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
Reply to  Hun
1 year ago

Two or three months of training…Not going to cut it against professional fighters with superior weapons…But I have seen a claim that they will have seven brigades, maybe ten…Does that equal 200k?

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  pyrrhus
1 year ago

The way the US Army counts, 10 brigades = somewhere from 30,000 to 50,000 troops

cg2
cg2
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

Unless there’s a light brigade.
My rule of thumb has been 4000 to a brigade.

Mike
Mike
Reply to  Hun
1 year ago

My thought is that he is telling the truth. 200,000 may be the right number but no one says anything about the quality of the troops. Unmotivated trainees, old men and young boys don’t make a good army. The number doesn’t say anything about the effectiveness.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
1 year ago

The language is the uniform.
That’s how groups form their own robust networks, even in a multicult or multiracial empire.

Perhaps tis not a fantasy; perhaps the ruling class is forming their own language. Thus they sound like a cult.

Cults as the progenitors of dialects, eventually of separate languages?
Along with a separate “history”, a common background well of reference they mutually relate to.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Alzaebo
1 year ago

(I was thinking of why the mexicans and sikh I was amidst yesterday network so well. They talk Spanish or Punjabi when speaking to each other.)

The Conservative orTrump dialects, I can speak well enough to make myself understood, but it’s pretty shaky.

Uni, or Corporate- not a chance, I’d be marked as a foreign spy in minutes.

John Q. Publicke
John Q. Publicke
1 year ago

Well-written post today, Z! Here in Croatia, life goes on as usual, but I have been noticing the strangest spikes in random food products. A few weeks ago, out of nowhere, a bunch of asparagus jumped to 16€…yesterday, mysteriously blueberries were 8€/for a small container. No rhyme or reason, except I wonder if these products were usually sourced from the Ukrainian breadbasket or Russia. The store was just as in the dark. We’ll see what’s next…

Hun
Hun
Reply to  John Q. Publicke
1 year ago

Asparagus literally grows everywhere in Croatia. Who spends money on it?

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Hun
1 year ago

This wasn’t a joke comment. This time of the year, you can see droves of Croatians browsing the meadows and edges of forests, collecting young asparagus. It’s like a national sport.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Hun
1 year ago

The Lazy Serb asparagus ranch a few clicks north of Benkovac is a place everybody should see at least once in their life. Watching those Croatian hombres ride herd on those stalks…well…it’s just hard to describe.

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  John Q. Publicke
1 year ago

I cuss, you cuss, we all cuss for asparagus.

Alex
Alex
1 year ago

The People In Charge are boiling the bones of our past for the hundredth time and the broth has become very thin.

Chazz
Chazz
1 year ago

It didn’t take long for the new Republican majority in the House to start arguing about how much to raise the debt ceiling. There will be no layoffs at the State Department.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Chazz
1 year ago

“We need them now more than ever” says every hack in DC

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
1 year ago

When the Power Structure is seamless and homogeneous, the felons and frauds in its midst never pay the penalty for their crimes. That is the big story here. And it applies to all aspects of life, not just the PS’s geopolitical farces and misadventures. No matter what these monsters do, they’re bulletproof. Just look at the Clinton crime family. The people outside the Power Structure, on the other hand, are naked before its legalistic exactions. Trump, Mackey, so on and so forth. The law is worked against us and only us. With any luck, we’ll get to work the law… Read more »

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 year ago

Ostei Kozelskii: “When the Power Structure is seamless and homogeneous, the felons and frauds in its midst never pay the penalty for their crimes.”

Did the Deep State just destroy SpaceX’s “Starship” as a means of telling Elon to end TruthSpeak on Tw@tter and FinancialCollapseSpeak with Tucker Carlson?

Elon has also been very articulate about the question of the trannyfication of underaged chillunzzzezes.

Cohenincidences which make you go, “Hmmm…”

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Bourbon
1 year ago

There seemed to be two sets of loud cheers on the live SpaceX feed: on launch and after a certain altitude had been reached, so it sounded like that test launch at least met their expectations. It was remarkable that several boosters had failed and/or turned themselves off and yet the rocket still went straight and gained altitude.

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
Reply to  Bourbon
1 year ago

“Did the Deep State just destroy SpaceX’s “Starship” as a means of telling Elon to end TruthSpeak on Tw@tter and FinancialCollapseSpeak with Tucker Carlson?”

It’s a nice theory, except that they fully expected Starship to not make it very far. This is very typical of the total engineering approach (vs the bureaucratic approach of NASA) of SpaceX. The next test will likely go better, as they implement changes that incorporate each tests data. This has always been their way, and it has been working remarkably well.

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1 year ago

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Emma Watson
Emma Watson
1 year ago

The recent chatter on the Sudan is cover for what’s going on in Ukr.

Mike
Mike
Reply to  Emma Watson
1 year ago

The Sudan was in talks to host a Russian naval base so read into that what you will.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  Mike
1 year ago

Yes, this us a much more likely reason for the Deep State to stir some shit in Sudan. Iran on one side of the Persian Gulf, and Sudan’s projected Russian base on the Red Sea. Together making it easier for the Saudis to feel good about a credible Russian/Iranian Naval presence as they pursue BRIC(S) membership and a shift to a multi-polar world trading economy. Also a signal to the Egyptians that now might be a good time to strengthen relationships with the Russians seeing how they would be positioned at the southern end of the Suez Canal. And to… Read more »

Intelligent Dasein
Intelligent Dasein
Member
1 year ago

The reason fantasy proliferates today is because facing the truth, even just a little bit of the truth, will cause the entire dam to burst. America has to pile lie upon lie just to go on functioning. The truth is that, as a country, we are broke, weak, incompetent, and evil. That is not something anybody wants to face. We are like an alcoholic in a deep state of denial, careening towards a complete physical and mental breakdown. Since we no longer care about stopping ourselves, our only outcomes are to end up in a hospital, in jail, or dead.… Read more »

Mike
Mike
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
1 year ago

Upvoted for the last sentence alone.

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
1 year ago

I have to disagree. Where is this looming destruction? People keep promising that Truth will break the dam. We know the Truth about plenty of things (Covid, Vietnam, Bear-Stearns, IRS schemes, Ukraine, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.). I think people in our circle overestimate the American populace. For example, a couple days ago, I think it was Compsci who posted about a Facebook group of Civnats. People posted that the group was mainly 60 and over. I completely agree. The point that is missed, however, is that the youth are not adopting some new morality that will challenge the system. The youth… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Eloi
1 year ago

Eloi,

I tend to agree.

They have, and continue to create their own reality. By and large normies have totally accepted this state of affairs.

I don’t see any signs of mass awakening in my area.

Intelligent Dasein
Intelligent Dasein
Member
Reply to  Eloi
1 year ago

You’re reading into my comment sentiments that I did not place there. I’m not talking about people voluntarily adopting a renewed moral posture, I’m talking about our society seizing up because it is too much at odds with reality. Things like overindebtedness, crumbling infrastructure, self-inflicted energy poverty, and declining military power cannot be swept under the rug forever. They will bite eventually.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
1 year ago

add insane affirmative action hiring for things like doctors and pilots. the system is steadily grinding down; pace train derailments, food plant explosions, water treatment failures, recruitment woes, etc etc etc.

Eloi
Eloi
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
1 year ago

I believe I did understand. My point is: In the 1950s, a man working a blue collar job supported a family, house in the burbs, and retirement. For most millenials, even a couple cannot afford a house. People, younger, accept gradually diminishing returns with indifference. The truth is already revealed and we are already facing the scenarios you describe. When things get to post-apocalyptic, I addressed that as well. My point is to recognize that normalcy bias is already heavily at play, and no further revelation will be The Event.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
1 year ago

ID-

Thanks for your clarifying post. This particular trend you point out is one that I feel I have also noticed and see examples of on a daily basis.

I believe this trend is why they will not be able to implement their infinite control grid, though they are going to cause a lot of suffering in their attempts to do so.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
1 year ago

This exactly. It is almost a matter of indifference if the moo cows of AINO “wake up”. The crucial thing is that the rest of the world is seeing a path to daylight, a chance to break out of the grip of the economic hitmen of the West, and the changes to the fortunes of the West will be forced upon them through their own accumulated idiocies and arrogance. If normie “wakes up”, it will be because the realities of true geopolitical shifts will have bitten them in the ass through the rise of agency of peoples elsewhere, as the… Read more »

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
1 year ago

I gave South africa 5 years after they installed a black communist government. Yet 30 yrs later they still stagger on… Although i do sense that show may be coming to a close,

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
1 year ago

If all they can do is repeat, will Fortress America have a prison Wall? We could call it the Iron Curtain. America as the USSR EU as the Warsaw Pact and East Germany Ukraine as Cuba The ruble wasn’t traded, was it? Neither was the yuan; their currency for domestic was called renminbi, separate from trade balances, a company scrip. A certain small-hatted element still survived and even thrived, familiar with tyrants since Ur of the Chaldees. The Children of Chaos can only replicate the post-catastrophe environment which birthed them. Ghettos, after all, weren’t originally a place where blacks lived,… Read more »

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  Alzaebo
1 year ago

That is a great anecdote you shared. It points to an advantage that the newcomers share that goes beyond the in-group preference and networking. If we are sitting around complaining that things are getting worse, while they are trying to improve their lot, then we are wasting time and energy. How do we get ourselves and our people in the hustle? Maybe we are in it and just don’t know. I am not in that world, but it seems like a great place to be. Do SBA loans that we are iced out of make a huge difference in them… Read more »

Kestrel
Kestrel
Reply to  RealityRules
1 year ago

As a small business owner, I can attest to being “iced out” of all sorts of freebies that my neighboring black businesses take advantage of. There are also tons of NGOs that exist to funnel grants to black businesses, do the paperwork, etc… All in a majority black town, here! Hilarious. Perhaps, however, the biggest boost that black businesses here get are from the White side. These local people fall all over themselves to promote black-owned businesses, and even local city council members celebrate them on social media like crazy. It’s all wonderful, free advertising! As a non-black, it’s crickets.… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Kestrel
1 year ago

As a matter of course, I will not patronize a negro-owned business. And I would hope that many other non-negroes do the same.

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  Kestrel
1 year ago

Interesting and thank you Kestrel. So in your town, it isn’t just loans, grants and NGO financial support, the city government also gives them free promotion and marketing. Is the government all or majority black? Have you asked them to include you in the endorsements and free PR? Will your business survive? If not, will you give it a shot in another town that is white so you can at least compete on equal footing? I am rooting for you to succeed. I hope you can someday stop subsidizing the people who hate you and us with your taxes and… Read more »

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  RealityRules
1 year ago

Also, fwiw, the working professional faces the same thing. Every training program, educational pathway, hiring push, promotion push, is completely stacked against white men. The only oxygen in any room is consumed by getting more, “marginalized and historically under represented groups”, into these programs and jobs.

It isn’t just business, it is the labor market and profession class as well.

Nick Nolte's Mugshot
Nick Nolte's Mugshot
Reply to  RealityRules
1 year ago

Non-whites are free to openly associate and network exclusively within their racial group. That is luxury that White people do not have. White people are not free to organize publicly. And it seems that any private meeting of two or more White people to discuss wrongthink is subject to government LEO infiltration.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

It’s not always 1938 in the GAE, sometimes it’s 1944. I give it 2-3 months before US ground troops are openly and unambiguously fighting in Ukraine. The alternative to that is accepting a defeat and failure which the GAE cannot abide if it wants to keep the G and the E as part of that acronym. Even if I’m wrong on the timeline, I’m not wrong about the existential choice. The neocons finally picked a fight they can’t walk away from. I figure that if Biden refuses to give that order, they will replace him with someone who will. So… Read more »

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

They don’t really have anyone though to pull off a big land war. That’s why they like a China conflict more since a handful of subs can keep them in the game.
They’ll just do the draft
Everyone, even them (probably) knows that won’t work. What cookies are left in that jar are stale and undesirable (and few in number anyway). They could try crashing the economy to force people into the service, but that didn’t even work for WW2.

Whiskey
Whiskey
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
1 year ago

These people are “clever.” Think Schumer and Biden. Reparations are coming. In SF it is $5 million per, in CA statewide it is $300K per, all to be paid by Whites only. So a nationwide reparations, at $25 million per, with a tax exclusively on Whites (it is what the real constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1965 demands) will be here soon. Can’t pay the $10 million in cash? National Service for you, for the next 25 years. All exquisitely legal and with exempt government goons to enforce it. Those too old, sick for combat can work in Apple’s… Read more »

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Whiskey
1 year ago

you just make shit up, and it it is tiresome. how do you only make white people pay for it? the state is already hemorrhaging white people, and a reparations tax will hyper-accelerate that. the reparations thing is never going to become law. now STFU please you black pilling cock suckker.

cg2
cg2
Reply to  karl von hungus
1 year ago

is that the tequila talking?
Not that you’re wrong.
🙂

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
1 year ago

When entertainment and social media program women to swoon over newly minted soldiers, you know the draft is coming and WWIII is close at hand.

No one is more easily manipulated than young women….except for young men.

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  ProZNoV
1 year ago

Gang of Four
“I Love a Man in a Uniform”

A song from back in the days of the Falklands War. Maybe worth a listen.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

Let’s all just cut to the chase and admit these lunatics will go nuclear.

It’s been nice poasting with everyone.

ArthurinCali
1 year ago

Excellent summation of the circus show that has become the Ukie-Rus conflict. Noticing how MSM has shifted the constant focus away from the day-to-day actions there.

OT but I will be around the DC area for work and wondered if there are any recommendations for places to go and see. This is my first visit to DC and want to make the most of my time there.

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

I’d spend a long long time studying the Crime Maps before I ventured into any particular part of DC.

My recollection [from circa the GWHB-43 era] is that the Smithsonian [with the original Air & Space] was only about a quarter of a block away from Scaryville.

The new Air & Space [with the SR-71 Blackbird] is way the heck out in Chantilly, Whiteopia.

I’ve often wondered how long it will be until all of Amurrikkkuh’s museums have to be removed from Scaryville and relocated way the heck out into Middle-of-Nowhere, Whiteopia.

Emma Watson
Emma Watson
Reply to  Bourbon
1 year ago

They will melt it all down and pretend it never existed first.

Jefferson Memorial is nicer but Lincoln’s is easier to get to (to spit on, of course). If the street you are on doesn’t say ‘NW’, leave. If it says ‘SE’, do so very quickly.

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  Bourbon
1 year ago

If they are moved, they will still be destroyed. Like every other institution, the education, management, certification and accreditation institutions for museums and heritage sites, are fully infiltrated by the anti-white, anti-West mob.

My guess is that billionaires and foreigners will come in and buy up what they want and the museums moving will be a perfect opportunity to fill them up with the new history and the new people’s story. It is already happening in place.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

Oh yes. To make it simple, start with a visit to Mr. Lincoln on his stone chair; orient by seeing the Washington Monument obelisk in the skyline.

Be wary and patient; the streets are a tight maze, going one way in the morning and the other way in the evening. A taxi is recommended.

roo_ster
Member
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

When we went to DC and spent most our time about the Mall, I found the food trucks to be, uh, “eclectic.” Prime example is the food truck advertising quesadillas run by some swarthy from MENA. Force to guess, I would say Morocco, as the quesadilla tasted more like Moroccan stew than anything Mexican. It was really good and the best “Mexican” food to be found. IOW, avoid any sit-down Mexican restaurant around DC.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

You’re the youngest person I’ve ever seen make that suggestion.

For something more age-appropriate, I checked to see what happened to the only real landmark in DC: the 9:30 club. I knew it moved/died a long time ago. Turns out they also tore down the historically and architecturally unique building where it used to be—but they “preserved the facade.” The leasable office space behind it that’s cheap enough to be publicly advertised is $50/sqft. It’s a site of pilgrimage for several punk-history and “the other DC” tours.

I won’t fedpoast about suicide-vesting any of them.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  ArthurinCali
1 year ago

Agree with Z. Do a loop of the mall. There’s a lot to see just on the mall, and you can also stop at any number of museums. All free. As to the city, Georgetown and Dupont are great area just to walk around. Ditto Capitol Hill. If you want a bit more quaint, Old Town Alexandria is very enjoyable. (You can take the Metro to get there.) Unlike most “old towns” in the states, it’s not just a few blocks; it’s a good sized area and very nice. It even has a mini ghetto in the middle, but, don’t… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  ArthurinCali
1 year ago

Find the MLK memorial. Then lob a rotten egg at it. But do it very, very surreptitiously.

ron west
ron west
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
1 year ago

Everyone forgot to mention the holocaust museum…… nevermind.

RealityRules
RealityRules
1 year ago

The onslaught will continue. The American Clovis is going to force the new Christianity on your little red backwater.

https://americanmind.org/salvo/revolution-of-color/

george 1
george 1
Reply to  RealityRules
1 year ago

It is happening somewhat slowly but it is happening where I live.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  RealityRules
1 year ago

weak red state governments

That would be all of them.
If they ever thought even halfway deeply about why they are red states they would realize that the “blues” gotta go.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
1 year ago

“The thing is reality never shakes their faith in their fantasy.” I question whether the strategists of the elites are deluded. The examples of fantasies that you focused on were Iraq, Syria, and Ukraine. The first two were to protect Israel. The third one is to destroy the hated ancient enemy. Our enemies are masters of narrative, which is why they control Hollywood. I doubt that the ones in charge were in the thrall of fantasy. The fantasies were to manipulate us, which they are able to do every time. We are sweet, trusting suckers and we must somehow learn… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

Yeah, I remember you bringing this up, and I have to say that I think that you’re right, though the Kaganites might have believed that it was twofer. Regardless, it is interesting to watch the interplay between the military and the neocons over China. You can tell that the neocons just don’t have that much interest in China outside of how China impacts Russia, while the regular military wants a full pivot to China immediately because China is the upcoming power. I doubt the military was ever very excited about Ukraine, but, as you said, the neocons sold it as… Read more »

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

The Iranians just forced a USN submarine to surface in the straights of Hormuz:

https://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/4146965/posts

Vince
Vince
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

What I’ve read, I don’t remember where, is that the Neocon party formed when a *ewish faction split from the Republicans over their refusal to punish Russia in a way that was thought proper…because a Czar expelled them from his country?

Is this a 100 year old blood fued?

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  Vince
1 year ago

I’d guesstimate moar like

100 * 100 = 10,000 year blood feud

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
Reply to  thezman
1 year ago

Yea, the Ukraine impeachment of Trump and all the last names involved in that brought me around to thinking that this old pale of the settlement area and the history of Russia was possibly a very strong motivation in our ruling class.

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
1 year ago

G Lordon Giddy: “this old pale of the settlement area and the history of Russia was possibly a very strong motivation in our ruling class”

Anatevka, Anatevka,
Overfed, underworked,
Anatevka;
Where else would shabbat be so sweet?

https://tinyurl.com/yux9675k

Marko
Marko
Reply to  LineInTheSand
1 year ago

We are New World white people. We are aw-shucks, git-er-done, bootstraps-pulling contraption-making freedom-loving people who also happen to (mostly) believe in the kind and forgiving Lord Jesus Christ. Yes, we had our share of corrupt and degenerate people, but I’ll bet we had many less of them than most Old World countries. Until recently of course. You get people like that all together in one country, and no surprise it’ll be a great and dynamic powerhouse. Problem is, the people start thinking that everyone else in the world is like them. Your average Russian thinks everyone is a shitbird, therefore… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Marko
1 year ago

It’s one of the great mysteries for me, because you don’t conquer a wild continent by being nice. Maybe we’ve lost our purpose?

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 year ago

My guess is it was a mixture of superior IQ & weaponry. Also we did have a warrior class – mostly Scots-Irish.

Nowadays we equate “nice” with not being mean or causing someone discomfort. I suspect that back then, being nice meant being civil. So you could lose against a southern man in a duel…he’d make you bloody and possibly kill you…but he’d be “nice” about it.

Vernichten
Vernichten
Reply to  Marko
1 year ago

The Scots-Irish were kicked out of Europe.

Protestations about how tough they are maybe compensatory…

JerseyJeffersonian
JerseyJeffersonian
Reply to  Marko
1 year ago

Vernichten, There was a scene in the Movie, Little Big Man, where Dustin Hoffmann, playing the character of Jack Crabbe, was serving as a scout for General Custer. He advised Custer not to seek battle (Little Big Horn) ecause the Indians would clean his clock, but Custer, supercilious and arrogant as he was, dusmissed the advice that he didn’t want to hear, characterizing Crabbe as a “perfect reverse barometer” whose expressed views would always be the opposite from the truth. With your developing track record here, I am beginning to suspect that you are our “perfect reverse barometer”, always maintaining… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
1 year ago

“For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them… Read more »

Montefrío
Member
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 year ago

Good comment, but for me marred by “Western Man”, which I take to mean North America and Europe, or a part thereof. South Americans are also “Western” men, and not simply by virtue of geography. I suspect those to the north of us are going to learn that the hard way, while this part of the West increasingly allies itself with the Brics and begins to cut loose from the northern bully whose grip on them is slipping away. Conflating the “West” with those in the north of the “West” will likely grow increasingly untenable. El sur también existe!

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Montefrío
1 year ago

“South Americans are also ‘Western’ men”

Are they? It’s honestly never occurred to me. Hispanic people didn’t exist 500 years ago!

Maybe, if we’re all playing with historical narratives, they’re the ancient Germanic barbarians looking on admiringly at decadent Rome. Iow, the people who’ll build a new civ on our ruins. Hard pass!

Rome can have that one. They’re her children, after all. I’m on a different timeline.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 year ago

And I might as well admit it: when I say America is a WASP nation; that we allowed Old World business to follow us here; that we’re reaping Ellis Island’s fruit; Germanic, Latin, Greek, etc., I’m being very serious.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 year ago

Ued, because we all know Scott’s, Anglos and Danes never had run ins with each other.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 year ago

Ued? Sorry, maybe me being dumb, I don’t know what that means.

ray
ray
Reply to  Paintersforms
1 year ago

‘There’s more than one delusion at work here.’

I note that God does not impose strong delusion upon them (i.e., now) until they have shown consistent and flagrant hatred for the truth.

What truth? Any truth that doesn’t serve their power interests, generally. So, they ‘bring it on themselves’.

Flair1239
Member
1 year ago

The Ukraine war is bittersweet for me. I enjoy seeing our elites exposed and humiliated. But the reality is, that it is sad. The elites will never be punished, the Jew Zelensky gets rich, the money continues to be laundered, and young Ukrainians are used to lubricate the system.

I would like to think someday there will be justice for this.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Flair1239
1 year ago

The fertility drop from men leaving the country and getting massacred by the Russians is likely to destroy any semblance of the previous country within a few years. Western companies are already salivating at the prospect of reindustrializing it, and I’m sure we’ll be paying the tab. They’ll probably demand new “migrants” to fill in for all he dead men too.

Alzaebi
Alzaebi
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 year ago

Ukrainian babes. My gob, Africa and Islam are going to bum-rush the place.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 year ago

Hutukraine, and the capitol will be renamed Ja’Kee’vius.

Jack Dodsen
Jack Dodsen
Reply to  Flair1239
1 year ago

It is pure, unadulterated evil. The people who have caused and profited off the slaughter are pure, unadulterated evil. They are capable of literally any crime against humanity.

miforest
Member
Reply to  Flair1239
1 year ago

ukraine is being genocided and massacred

Mike
Mike
Reply to  miforest
1 year ago

It’s their own fault, Russia was willing to live next to them if they had behaved but they just couldn’t do it, they had to FAFO. So I’m kind of rooting for male Ukrainian genocide, them reproducing isn’t long-term good for the species.

TomA
TomA
1 year ago

Reality check. That we are poorly led in DC is obvious to the sane, but our population is no longer dominated by a sane majority. Most Americans are content to be spoon-fed irrational narratives because it asks nothing of them except belief (no hard work necessary, or risk of having to get the fat ass off the comfy couch). Facing reality might actually require action on their part, and for God’s sake, they are already being asked to vote harder every few years. What more can you ask of the lazy, entitled, spoiled, spawn of prolonged affluence? “Do you really… Read more »

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  TomA
1 year ago

“What is the best use of one’s efforts”.

Alternative societies. It’s a shitty, hard process, but things are already shitty and hard. It’s doable, but takes work and sacrifice.

I guess it depends on how one wants to live.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
1 year ago

Yes, the self-segregation will continue. It’s already happening as sane people are leaving California in droves, just ahead of the reparations tax. Many are moving into small towns in remote areas (South Dakota is an example). Most of these newly rejuvenated communities are predominantly Caucasian and incorporate the remaining few productive elements of our society. They tend to keep a low profile and avoid drawing attention to themselves. As big cities burn later this year, open-carry will become common and accepted in these communities. Safe havens are the way to go, and sooner rather than later.

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  TomA
1 year ago

Today’s insanity will become tomorrow’s morality. Just look at how negatively the populace looked at the 1960’s civil rights movement vs. now. Once woke insanity becomes the air you breath, the insane becomes sane until it all crashes down.

Mow Noname
Mow Noname
Reply to  Chet Rollins
1 year ago

No way. Next you’re going to point out that diversity isn’t our strength and global warming isn’t going to kill us all.
No way am I going back to that 90% European America with its racisms and supersonic civilian aircraft, spacecraft and nuclear power plants.

Stranger in a Strange Land
Stranger in a Strange Land
Reply to  Mow Noname
1 year ago

First rate sarcasm.

Compsci
Compsci
1 year ago

“One of the things that comes through in this document leak story is that policy makers do not have a handle on what is actually happening on the ground.” I like the content of today’s missive, but really, it boggles the mind to assume ignorance of what’s happening on the ground in Ukraine. After all, we are the ones feeding their forces the most sophisticated intel on the Russians that can be gathered in the world. We monitor the Ruskies and the Uke’s. It can be no other way. All through today’s missive you use words like fantasy, ignorance and… Read more »

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
1 year ago

“they may refer to this as the age of fantasy in the West.”

Demented lunacy rather than fantasy. And the lunatics move on from one debacle to the next with nary a pause. From one set of manufactured lies to another. The past lies go down the memory hole. And they can do this because they have no skin of their own in the game; they don’t suffer personally. When asked about Iraq, Bolton replied, “I thought it was a good call at the time.” There’s only one thing you can do with rabid dogs.

Emma Watson
Emma Watson
1 year ago

The same people that are currently lying and have lied about all the wars in this generation have probably lied about all the previous ones as well.

What’s today’s date again?

RealityRules
RealityRules
1 year ago

The thesis of this article is interesting. If I am correct, it seems the lesson learned from Vietnam was that the war was lost because of bad PR. If they had only hidden Mai Lai (sp?) and the public not seen the brutality and failure on their TV sets, the war would have been won. Then the Panama Op was a trial run for turning American military adventures into highly sanitized, Geraldo meets Wheel of Fortune meets CNBC like broadcasts direct to consumer. Desert Storm was the apex. The premise of this article is that this strategy for warfare, which… Read more »

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
Reply to  RealityRules
1 year ago

That’s close to the truth. The thing is that what’s on the television is not just for the marks and rubes who constitute the US population; it’s also for the lunatics who make US policy. US policy-makers get high on their own supply and actually believe the garbage they churn out for the masses. Inner Party members actually believe their own propaganda.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  RealityRules
1 year ago

Afghanistan and Syria prove that if you keep your casualties down and avoid a draft, a war can go on hypothetically forever without any significant anti-war movement building. Which is a separate question from “winning,” however that is defined.

Boarwild
Boarwild
1 year ago

In retrospect the Normandy invasions were purely unnecessary vis-a-vis defeating Germany; once the German Army became locked in a war of attrition with the Red Army (with its then inexhaustible supply of manpower) – & not having the German economy on a war footing until after the disaster @ Stalingrad – it was only a matter of time. Main upside of Normandy was to keep Stalin’s legions from overrunning Western Europe.

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  Boarwild
1 year ago

There was rationing in Germany right from the beginning of the war. I read a book published in 1940 called “Into the Darkness” (because of the lack of night time lights) by Lothrop Stoddard who went into all the effects of rationing by the Nazis.

I don’t know to what extent they were on a war footing, but they imposed rationing right from the beginning.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
1 year ago

War footing did not go into effect probably until ‘41. Even as the war deteriorated into ‘43 through ‘45, women took little part. The Russians had no such scruples. What I think kept the whole thing on the tracks was the occupation and looting of countries overrun. Food and forced labor. Then there was the Waffen SS who recruited volunteer legions from occupied Europe. Hell there was even an army group of Russians from war prisoners (Stalin took care of them after the war).

Boarwild
Boarwild
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

Compsci-

General Andrei Vlassov. ;<)

Boarwild
Boarwild
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
1 year ago

Tars – There may have been rationing but industry was not put on a war footing until early 1943; there were massive rallies to get people onboard. (Hitler had hitherto resisted going on a war footing because he didn’t want to deprive the German people of goods they had become accustomed to. In short, he was trying to keep the war “over there” which of course became increasingly difficult with bombers overhead). Goebbels held one in Berlin proclaiming. “Totaler Krieg – Kurzester Krieg” (Total War – Shortest War). Hitler appointed architect Albert Speer as Minister of Armaments & he performed… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Boarwild
1 year ago

If there had been no western front, it’s altogether plausible that Germany could have stalemated the Russians somewhere in the vicinity of Poland. They were never going to conquer Russia and hold it, or eastern Europe, as long as the Russians were fighting, but the Reich quite likely would have lived on without as much lebensraum. Did the western front have to start in Normandy? No, but for this purpose it had to be somewhere, and Italy was insufficient.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
1 year ago

That’s basically correct, but too specific wrt to “Normandy” invasion. Eastern front collapsed following the battle of Kursk in ‘43. To wit:

“The battle (of Kursk) was the final strategic offensive that the Germans were able to launch on the Eastern Front. Because the Allied invasion of Sicily began during the battle, Adolf Hitler was forced to divert troops training in France to meet the Allied threat in the Mediterranean, rather than using them as a strategic reserve for the Eastern Front…”

Boarwild
Boarwild
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

Funny thing was the Russians knew the offensive was coming, prepared defenses in depth & the Germans still made impressive progress. If Hitler hadn’t called an end to it think the ultimate goal would probably have been achieved.

Forget where now but ran across an interesting tidbit in my ongoing studies of the Eastern Front; a Russian soldier remarked you never see pix of destroyed Russian tanks @ Kursk, only German because they (the Russians) would lose so many of their tanks to take out one German tank & it made them look bad.

Bad for propaganda purposes.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Boarwild
1 year ago

Count me as one that believes that the US had zero need to enter WWI or WWII. And, yes, we more or less forced Japan to attack us.

So, Normandy was just a symptom of a larger disease.

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

A big part of this, me thinks, is that the victory was so clearly pissed away so the need for the war, in hindsight is completely negated. For instance, there was no way the U.S. was going to let Japan lock up and colonize Australia and New Zealand. By a lot of measures the actions of the U.S. in the leadup to the war were sensible, it’s not their fault Hitler and Tojo couldn’t “keep it zipped up” and it’s no the fault of the mid-20th century American government that their descendants decided to turn their victory in to a… Read more »

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
1 year ago

What other warmongering tropes you got? If the US didn’t fight the Axis we’d all be speaking German by now? FFS

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Forever Templar
1 year ago

With 70 years worth of hindsight, let me tell you what I would have done instead

Thanks, you’re a big help.
While I’m raining on parades you know what else wasn’t smart? The South launching a war of aggression against a puritanical industrial power so that their gentry class could keep their free labor savages.

Yes in all those cases and with enough hindsight it’s clear the wrong side won, but that doesn’t mean the loser was free of bone-headed decisions, endemic to their character, that doomed them.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Forever Templar
1 year ago

It’s not hindsight. Anyone with a map in the 19th and 20th century could tell you that after around 1830 or so, there was no way any country could threaten the US. Bismarck used to joke about it. Also, while I agree with you that the South probably should have avoided that fight, at least they had a reason to go to war. They knew the North would eventually overpower them politically and economically and force them to change their way of life. I’d suspect that a lot of people in the South were aware that it was a very… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Forever Templar
1 year ago

Citizen, we should be clear. Heritage America won nothing from WWI and WWII. But the GAE itself gained everything, for the next century.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
1 year ago

The fact that Germany in WWI and WWII and Japan in WWII were zero threat to mainland America was very well understood by the American public at the time, which is why they were overwhelming against entering both war before war was declared. This isn’t hindside bias. The American public knew the score at the time because it’s laughably obvious. Both Wilson and FDR ran on a platform of keeping us out of the war, and then backstabbed the American people. Whether Hitler or Tojo were war-mongering or rational doesn’t matter, just as it didn’t matter whether Napoleon or Prussia… Read more »

Boarwild
Boarwild
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

FDR was chomping @ the bit to get us in that war. He even had the U.S. Navy waging an undeclared, unconstitutional war in the Atlantic – escorting British shipping up to a mid point where the Royal Navy would take over – with U.S. Navy destroyers ordered to “shoot on sight/depth charge” any German U-boats detected. This led to the disaster of the USS Reuben James torpedoed off Iceland October 31st, 1941 with a heavy loss of life.

FDR should have been impeached.

Neon_Bluebeard
Neon_Bluebeard
Reply to  Boarwild
1 year ago

My understanding was that Stalin threatened to make a separate peace with Hitler unless Britain and the US opened a 2nd front. The Italian campaign failed and Stalin kept up his demands so Normandy it was.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

Agree that no one pay a price for this debacle – at least not within the US. But it’s obvious that the neocons have gone too far this time, at least with the rest of the world. The rest of the world has finally fully understood that 1) the neocons are truly insane and will throw everything the US has at an enemy 2) the neocons will target anyone, not matter the size or consequence, therefore no one is safe 3) the neocons will never quit. This changes the equation for leaders around the world. The neocons simply can’t be… Read more »

Hoagie
Hoagie
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

They will/are also throwing everything they have at us.

Mike
Mike
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

Do you think that eventually the RoW will become so tired of the neo trash that they will begin to arrange accident for them? They look like soft targets too filled with hubris to realize that their actions may have consequences if they don’t back off.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Mike
1 year ago

Not a good idea. Almost no Americans know that the neocons are a foreign elite. If Russia kills Nuland, Americans won’t understand why.

Best thing for RoW is walk away.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

I’m picturing a scenario in which white American boys sign up to avenge the death of Nuland

mmack
mmack
1 year ago

“For months now, the collective West has been talking about the great Ukrainian counter-offensive that is due any day now.” “Woven into this new narrative are bits of an old narrative. For example, there was talk of starting the counter-offensive early in order to send a relieving force to Bakhmut, like the Allies did to relieve Bastogne from the Germans.” I keep coming back to another historical narrative when an army was encircled in a Russian city. The soldiers kept saying “Der Manstein Kommt!” However, Manstein’s attack failed to relieve the pressure on the encircled army, and it collapsed and… Read more »

george 1
george 1
1 year ago

As if Ukraine won’t be enough bad news the Empire simultaneously rattles sabers at China. The new Pentagon leaks, if true, show that our situation in the Pacific is actually worse than many have pointed out.

It turns out that the Chinese have missiles that threaten carrier battle groups much farther distant than we thought. Not only can we not get close enough with carriers to assist in Taiwan, the carriers are in harms way anywhere east of Guam.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  george 1
1 year ago

Yeah, but we can still blockade China using our deep-blue navy. Our ships can cut off trade to China a thousand miles from China.

Of course, that would threaten the lives of tens of millions of Chinese who need food and energy imports to survive. Not sure the Chinese wouldn’t feel compelled to threaten the lives of tens of millions of Americans with nukes.

This is a bad situation.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

Does China for energy import cutoff? Recently read they’ve completed their direct pipeline to Russia for Gas (and I assume oil).

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

I don’t think that Russia can supply China with enough energy at the moment. The needed infrastructure will take many years to build. Even then, not too sure that it’ll be enough.

But I’ll let others chim in on that.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Compsci
1 year ago

A single pipeline doesn’t make much difference to an economy the size of China.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Felix Krull
1 year ago

especially if it is bombed.

george 1
george 1
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

The neocons should consider, not that they will, that after Easter weekend it has become clear that Russia and China are now not only allies but also soon to have a semi integrated defense posture if they do not already have one. As to our ability to cut off trade to China, we are just as vulnerable to that as China. Perhaps more so. We import just about everything that matters. If one cargo ship is sunk how long will it be before no insurance carrier will cover transport ships going to America? Two or more sunk would seal the… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  george 1
1 year ago

It’s a massive game of chicken.

And, really, it doesn’t make any sense, but it’s all the military has left against China. We can sanction them, but they can sanction back.

I’m just worried about what the US will do when it realizes that it can’t threat China with a direct military attack and that we can’t bring China to its knees with sanctions alone.

Either we acknowledge that we’re no longer the single global power or we do something crazy.

george 1
george 1
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
1 year ago

Dangerous time. It seems with no adults anywhere in sight.

Mr. House
Mr. House
1 year ago

TomA,

This article is for you, i’ve been a firm believer ever since i first read it almost a decade ago.

https://deflationland.blogspot.com/2014/03/currency-collapse-is-agency-of-reform.html

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
1 year ago

To resort to full-bore cliche, the GAE is a 50-something holding forth for the 10,000th time about his glorious pass completion at The Big Game. Gray, overweight, and generally ignored, his face lights up just like it did the last time he caused eyes to roll. Of course, in this retelling, he has a .380 stuffed in his pocket that could come out any time if he feels like insufficient attention is paid to his worn tale. I had thought this was all greed and propaganda, and it is that, too, but much of it is simply nostalgia and impotence.… Read more »

cg2
cg2
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

I’ve always thought the .380 was an underappreciated firearm.

Grumpy
Grumpy
1 year ago

“In the end, they managed only to burn through their inheritance, leaving the West in poverty.”
Shirt sleeves to shirt sleeves.

AntiDem
AntiDem
1 year ago

The truth is that the war hasn’t gone the way either side wanted it to, and has ground down in to a stalemate that isn’t likely to change significantly for the foreseeable future. When things do change, it’s as likely to be for political as military reasons. For example, Trump or DeSantis get into the White House and pull the plug on Zelensky the way that Trump pulled the plug on ISIS in his first term.

But at the moment, it appears that neither side has the raw capacity to end this by military means alone.

David Wright
Member
Reply to  AntiDem
1 year ago

Trump or DeSantis? Too funny.

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  David Wright
1 year ago

I haven’t really thought about it, but what little I do know leads me to think Twosome Newsom will be the next President.

There is no way in hell a R is taking the oath.

Too many plates would potentially stop spinning if that actually happened.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  David Wright
1 year ago

True enough. But I needed the belly laugh.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  AntiDem
1 year ago

Russia may not have the capacity to conquer and hold all of Ukraine, but it’s unlikely that it wants to. Russia certainly has the capacity to grind the Ukrainian army into dust, which is exactly what it is doing.

The question becomes what happens after the Ukrainian counter-offensive fails and the West’s ability to supply weapons dries up. US military already hinting that this summer is the end.

For Russia, taking all of eastern Ukrainian and possibly Odessa would be a pretty good deal. Leave the rump, landlocked Ukraine to the West.

Jack Dodsen
Jack Dodsen
Reply to  AntiDem
1 year ago

Agreed, but with a caveat. The GAE was cocksure the sanctions would work, and all they did was expose how weak it is on the economic front now. Assuming nukes don’t fly, that will be the big takeaway from this madness.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  AntiDem
1 year ago

“stalemate” implies lack of progress. the RAF is making great progress in reducing the UAF into pulp.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  AntiDem
1 year ago

Doubtful that neither side can win prediction. Russia is running a minimal loss war—but not a forever war. Unless, foreign troops enter the fight on behalf of Ukraine, the war will wrap up with the best man standing, which is Russia.

WCiv911
WCiv911
1 year ago

If you believe in the cyclical nature of civilizations, as the histories of all other major civilizations has shown, then ours too will fall, as we are currently witnessing. Since It is fated to be, cope with it as stoically as you can. The whys, the tears, the resistance is futile.

OTOH, maybe AI can break the cycle of Sisyphus .

Mr. House
Mr. House
1 year ago

“None of the planners were dragged into court and made to answer for their lies and omissions. In each case, the dogs barked, and the caravan moved on to the next manufactured crisis.”

9/11, Iraq and Afghanistan war, 2008, covid, its always the same. Failure is their superpower, almost like someone was paying them to be as awful as they could be.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Mr. House
1 year ago

Oh wait, someone is paying them: “Taxes are only essentially used these days to keep little people in place, they aren’t really paying for state operations like you think. What is the debt level for California? What is the debt level for the entire United States? The country has been functionally bankrupt since 2008 (yinz guys didn’t really protest that one did ya, but its lead to where we are now). People say, why are these corporations doing things that alienate their customers? Because they don’t need you, and the states don’t either anymore. They just print what they want.… Read more »

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Mr. House
1 year ago

I think it was Steve Sailer who pointed out that during Occupy Wall Street, the New York Times suddenly started running a lot more pieces on racism and white supremacy. The elites decided to change the subject.

Mr. House
Mr. House
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 year ago

Yep, none of these recent movements are organic and i honestly don’t think Trump was either. Funny that him and Bernie sanders almost had the same platform in 2016. You can actually do a google search of the use of gender and race in news articles for after occupy and you’ll see they’ve skyrocketed since. They prob sent people amongst those crowds, gathering information, what other concerns do you have besides wall st? And remember most of those people were essentially professional activists, others of us would have liked to protest, but you know jobs and money are needed.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Wolf Barney
1 year ago

Sailer enviously idealizes the elite. This typically takes the strange form of taking them at the *nearest quantifiable thing* to face value. Even when they flatly state their psychotic intentions (the eternal death of Whiteness) he “steelmans” rational calculation for them (“equity” means “home equity”). In Our Democracy, the few protests that are allowed to happen are elite negotiations. “The subject” is always already excluded/decided. What remains is knocking out the contract. Occupy was bankers’ children demanding their inheritance—their seats on the board—before their parents were dead. The parents offered to add board seats for their children to Occupy, labeled… Read more »

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
1 year ago

the unbroken record of failure for this regime gives me great comfort that they are incapable of building a true police state. the way they let their most loyal cadres take the vaxx shows they are incapable of distinguishing friend from foe (and are as likely to harm each other, as to harm me). over time, more and more of the population will be drawn into small scale food production, as the existing system continues to be degraded. they won’t be able to cause much trouble while hand weeding their little gardens. you might see north americans sneaking into mexico… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  karl von hungus
1 year ago

The establishment of the police state is the top priority, and more effort will be put into that, but, yeah, the mountain of failure indicates that very well might not work out, either. It will be interesting to watch how the GAE responds to state and local revolts, which are on the horizon.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Jack Dobson
1 year ago

a big problem for the GAE is it doesn’t have enough gibbs for all the various groups comprising it. this is going to cause endless internecine squabbles that make focusing on the white population difficult.

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
Reply to  karl von hungus
1 year ago

Unfortunately, I think you’re incorrect in your assessment of the establishment of the police state. Establishing and maintaining a proper civilization actually requires people with intelligence, wisdom and restraint. A police state, on the other hand, requires only mindless drones who don’t think much, don’t question much, and are happy to follow orders. I think the evidence from Covid clearly shows that we have plenty of that.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Outdoorspro
1 year ago

setting up a police state in a demographically homogeneous populace is one thing; doing it in AINO’s DNA pool is another.

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
Reply to  karl von hungus
1 year ago

I truly hope your optimism is justified. I just don’t see any evidence to support it…yet.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  karl von hungus
1 year ago

Those of a particular DNA persuasion will be the focus of the police state; others will be ignored. The worst of both worlds.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  karl von hungus
1 year ago

They’ve got their eager soldiers in place, on our ground!

“Occupy” meant what it said…Occupy.