Alien Liars

One of the weirder aspects of the Biden administration is their zeal for pushing the idea that space aliens are regularly visiting earth. This week a regime media outlet pushed this story about a whistleblower’s claims regarding crashed alien vehicles. This builds on prior stories put into the media by the Pentagon regarding unidentified flying objects spotted by miliary pilots. Tucker Carlson mentioned this in his debut video on Twitter this week, as part of his show on government lying.

Even by the standards of this age, the space alien stuff is weird. The whole space alien thing ran its course decades ago. People with a need for escapist fantasies can just claim to be a third gender now. They get special privileges and most important, the validation they seek. Why bother with claims about getting probed by little green men when you can throw on a sundress and prance around Target? The current year has plenty of options for the mentally disturbed.

Putting aside the motivations behind this stuff, the question is whether there can be any truth to the claims. Is it possible for intelligent life from another planet to visit earth and is it possible for us to know about it? People naturally assume the answer to both questions is yes, but that is wishful thinking. Once you consider the physics involved, the odds that we are getting alien visitors drop significantly. The odds of us knowing about these visitors fall to zero.

The first thing to consider is where these aliens are located. If what we know about life is correct, then the conditions for life must exist on many planets. This is just a matter of calculating the probability of a planet having the stuff that we see on earth. If there must be many earthlike planets in the universe, there must be at least one that has produced life as we understand it. If a planet can support life, it means it will have evolved life and, in some cases, intelligent life.

We have been scanning the heavens for such planets. The most Earth-like planet that we have found so far is called Kepler 452b. It got this name because it was spotted by the Kepler Space Telescope. Kepler 452 is a sun-like star that is roughly 1,400 light-years from Earth. The planet we call 452b is in orbit around this sun in what is called the habitable zone of the star. This means the planet is close enough, but not too close, to contain liquid water, which is a prerequisite for life.

Right there we see the first problem for space aliens. If they have mastered the ability to visit our planet, it means they are travelling 1,400 light years. If we assume they can travel at near the speed of light, that takes 1,500 years to make the trip, assuming no bathroom breaks along the way. You can already see the problem. Either these extraterrestrial visitors have figured out how to exceed the speed of light or they have lifespans that dwarf the human lifespan.

Let us consider the last option first. Bowhead whales live much longer than humans, so they are an object of study for this reason. This species has a genetic mutation that helps repair damaged DNA. They also possess a gene that seems to aid in the repair and regeneration of damaged cells. Taken together, these make the animal highly resistant to diseases like cancer and extend its life. It may be possible to apply these mutations to humans, thus extending human lifespans.

The longest-living vertebrates on earth are Greenland sharks. The oldest known specimen is estimated to be 390 years old. Currently, people studying these animals think their base lifespan is around three hundred years, but it is possible that they can live as long as six hundred years. As with the Bowhead whales, there is probably a set of genes that allow this animal to avoid disease and repair its DNA. That could mean humans will one day use the same technology to extend human life.

The point is, we are probably inching up to the point where we can extend human lifespans well beyond what nature provides. More important, we will soon be able to slow the aging process. What would be the point of living to 150-years-old if you are decrepit and fragile like Joe Biden? Even so, that is a long way from the lifespan we will need to visit Kepler 452b. Assuming our space travelers will want to come home, it means living thousands of earth years.

If the people of Kepler 452b are visiting earth, it means they have a conception of time and space that is far beyond our comprehension. Think about the man who dedicates his life to a project. He sets out knowing it will take a long time, but he also assumes it will be finished or at least show progress before he dies. Realistically that is a project with a fifty-year arc. Now imagine a man who sets out on the same project, but his target date is five thousand years into the future.

This brings us to that other issue, the speed of light. Currently, we have no idea how to keep humans in space for more than a relatively short time. Zero gravity does weird things to the human body over time. Bones stop producing new bone tissue, as bones are no longer needed to fight gravity. For some reason, the immune system begins to slow and perhaps even stop functioning altogether. Then you have the radiation of space that damages human DNA.

This means our space alien friends have either figured out a way to conquer these problems so they can remain in space for thousands of years or they never had to contend with these problems. That means they are a life form that is beyond our comprehension, or they have conquered the limits of space-time. In the former case, it would mean they exist so far outside our understanding that we may not be able to see them, because our brains lack the ability to conceive them.

More likely and much spookier is that they have conquered space-time. This means that our conception of space-time is human specific. What we think of as reality is an interface we have evolved in order to navigate the much more complex reality that lies beyond our human ability to comprehend. These space aliens made the leap either to a novel interface that lets them travel vast distances in a short period of time or they exist outside our reality altogether.

As you can see from examining the space and time issues, the odds of these tales about space aliens being true are extremely low. Either the space aliens have lifespans so long that it places them outside of our ability to conceive of them or they exist outside of our conception of space-time. Even if we wish to pretend this is not true, it means they have advanced technologically beyond what we can imagine. They would have little trouble concealing themselves from us.

That brings us back to the real question with regards to space aliens. Why is our government suddenly trying to revive interest in the topic? Given the massive corruption and perfidy on display, we have to assume their motives are not good. These people lie about everything, so maybe they just like lying. Rolling out these fake space alien stories is how they entertain one another. Who knows? Maybe they are plotting to unleash a fake space invaders story on us.


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toastedposts
toastedposts
11 months ago

A few things about Kepler: The Kepler spacecraft detected these planets via something called “the transit method” – the periodic dimming the the light of the star as a planet transited the stellar disc. This gives us the planets orbital period and its radius. (Sometimes the mass we can back out from the perturbation of the planets orbital periods on each other.) We know nothing else about these planets. Technically Venus is an Earth size planet in the habitable zone of the Sun. To distinguish planets from sunspots on the other star, we have to observe several transits, meaning several… Read more »

toastedposts
toastedposts
Reply to  toastedposts
11 months ago

One other thing: Why is it the religious perspective that the entire freaking universe is dead except for one planet in all the vastness of space? Certain types of Christians seem to want to regard everything beyond Earth as some kind of dubious superfluity. I would have guessed that a dead universe would be more compatible with atheism and Earth-as-an-accident.

I find the idea that there is probably nigh infinite (perhaps literally infinite) other stuff going on beyond the painfully banal power struggles of humanity to be comforting, not offensive.

Vxxc
Vxxc
11 months ago

Reasons to spread Alien Rumors.

1. Money, someone wants a budget.
2. Distraction.
3. The Regime isn’t just full of professional actors who present irrationally for work, they’re genuinely crazy.

You can pick all three reasons.
Anything is plausible these days.

SidVic
SidVic
Reply to  Vxxc
11 months ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendezvous_with_Rama

The only way is a generational ship.

cg2
cg2
11 months ago

Well Z opened p\Pandora’s can of worms here, and on a Thursday.

I’m sticking to TomA’s model that the Normie aliens can’t get here because they can’t give up their fat Dorito inflated asses long enough to get on the spaceship.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  cg2
11 months ago

You have to figure that any sufficiently advanced life form sooner or later becomes Jabba the Hut, since there comes a point, somewhere out there on the high end of the development curve, where continued striving has diminishing returns.

My Comment
My Comment
11 months ago

Tucker’s stated belief in little green men (and Xirs) amongst us combined with his drumming up hatred towards China suggests to me that he may simply be controlled opposition or his image is just a very successful grift. Tucker really does seem to be a economic populist and has done very good work on Jan 6th. There must be a there there with him and the right because Fox sure doesn’t want him even on Twitter during the election. However, he has given interviews where he basically said that any white who identifies as white is a Nazi. Maybe that… Read more »

Intelligent Dasein
Intelligent Dasein
Member
Reply to  My Comment
11 months ago

If Tucker is really endorsing alien existence, then he can burn in hell with the rest of them.

You know what? So can Trump. I’ve been trying to find a silver lining with Trump for a long, long time. But he had a chance to save the country and he didn’t do anything. Screw him. Let him be indicted and spend the rest of his life in jail. I will fight on without him.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
11 months ago

Trump is like that bitter medicine that doesn’t really cure the disease, but eases the pain for while, hopefully long enough to recover. Outside the true MAGAphiles, supporting Trump is about (1) the middle finger to the establishment, (2) taking wrecking ball to the system, (3) further unmasking of the GAE/ZOG in hopes of a critical mass awakening, (4) maybe buying some more time by slightly tapping on the brakes (or at least easing off the accelerator) or (5) all or some combination of the above. To what end, I don’t know. Some days I want to pull the bandaid… Read more »

Gunner Q
11 months ago

Something to consider is that the usage of hallucinogens among Left-leaning Americans has skyrocketed in recent years. The legalization efforts are just the tip of that iceberg. There’s everything from nerds microdosing on LSD to new, ayahuasca-based South American cults.

The Left has spent years tripping on hallucinogens, and now the Left thinks space aliens are real? Not a coincidence.

cg2
cg2
11 months ago

“If we assume they can travel at near the speed of light, that takes 1,500 years to make the trip, assuming no bathroom breaks along the way. ”
And Stuckeys would probably add a whole nother light year.

pyrrhus
Reply to  cg2
11 months ago

This whole argument rests on the dubious assumption that other planetary civilizations, which must exist, don’t have technology that is far superior to ours…The many thousands of un-coerced reports, even during the long period when reporting such things could get you fired, says that they exist, as secret government reports confirm..My father, an experimental physicist of some note, thought that some of our technology development, particularly the rapid development of lasers, were highly suspicious and might be due to reverse engineering…

ray
ray
Reply to  pyrrhus
11 months ago

The transistor was revolutionary and helped bring on the modern technocracy including malevolent billionaires and a very real scientific priesthood whose power and influence constantly increase.

Lots of these folks are loco or just evil and heedless of consequences. A techno-totalitarian future looms.

I find certain rapid and immediate leaps in technology and metallurgy suspicious. As a Christian, I’d lean towards demonic influence aiding key breakthroughs.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  pyrrhus
11 months ago

The development may appear rapid only because we (the public) learn of it after development. Development of things such as lasers, with their high civil and military value, are assiduously kept under wraps to protect their worth until ready to be exploited. Also, the development may seem rapid because it is conflated with its deployment. In high school in the ’80s, we had a laser for the advanced physics students to use (green) that required special access. By the ’90s, we were buying them attached to a keychain to entertain the cat. An acquaintance who is former military involved in… Read more »

ray
ray
Reply to  c matt
11 months ago

c matt — It’s a fair point.

Daniel Ross
Daniel Ross
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Reply to  pyrrhus
11 months ago

Lasers aren’t at all out of place in the context of mid 20th Century technology.

Pozymandias
11 months ago

I’d put the current alien stuff down as a weird kind of nostalgia the regime is hoping to use to buy a bit more time. As Z pointed out the heyday of UFO interest was maybe a generation ago. Everything they do seems intended to activate some kind of Cold War set of brainwashing triggers. From stirring up shit with the Russians in Ukraine to talking about a new Moon landing it’s all just them making phone calls and saying “Why don’t you pass the time by playing a little Solitaire?” (that’s the famous Red Queen scene in the Manchurian… Read more »

ChrisZ
ChrisZ
Reply to  Pozymandias
11 months ago

You make an excellent point about the regime gauging the gullibility of the public, Poz. The Covid experience may have surprised even our condescending elites about the tractability of people in “advanced” countries. Indeed, the people who were supposedly the most intelligent and “skeptical” proved to be the most susceptible to the stupidest, most inane, and internally contradictory provisions of the lockdown and its aftermath. A malignant ruling class would be foolish NOT to test the limits of this, in inconsequential but still meaningful ways—like testing how far the imprimatur of government authority increases the likelihood of people accepting the… Read more »

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
11 months ago

My vote is the UFO/Little Gray Men thing is another honeypot hoax to distract and demotivate young white men. The only people who get hooked into these crazy ideas are young white men. Conveniently enough, getting into the UFO theories encourages rejection of Christianity and it is disgenic for Whites, a more-harmless self-ghettoization than mustache man stuff, but essentially the same result.
Gee, why would the Regime be interested in atomizing and apostatizing young White men?

Krustykurmudgeon
Krustykurmudgeon
11 months ago

This is off topic but does anyone here have a hunch that meritocracy is just a halfway house to technocracy?

Like I feel that you sometimes have the person who always wanted the job since eighth grade (buttigieg, Clinton) and that it’s precisely a meritocracy that selects for that.

A political dynasty like the Kennedys in Massachusetts tends not to select for that. Ted Kennedy was a conservative boogeyman but he at least seemed like someone who would be fun to hang out and drink with

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Krustykurmudgeon
11 months ago

Buttigieg would have been a courtier in any system ever. But Clinton, he only happens in a “democracy” where women vote.

krustykurmudgeon
krustykurmudgeon
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
11 months ago

I was referring more to his wife

Gunner Q
Reply to  Krustykurmudgeon
11 months ago

“This is off topic but does anyone here have a hunch that meritocracy is just a halfway house to technocracy?” They’re opposites. The managerial state badly wants technocracy *because* they don’t have merit. They were given power because they’re sexually damaged thieves who attended the popular schools, not because they know what they’re doing, and half the reason they’re all mentally ill is because they’re constantly scared of being unmasked as the pretenders they are. Remember during the Palestine, Ohio chemical spill, SecTrans Petey Buttplug was left gaping like a beached fish at the calls to do something? that didn’t… Read more »

cg2
cg2
Reply to  Krustykurmudgeon
11 months ago

Make sure theres a designated driver.

c matt
c matt
11 months ago

Just shaving with Occam’s razor here, but what if, having utterly destroyed whatever shred of credibility it had, the government wants to utilize these “aliens” to gin up credibility for (and therefore acceptance of) whatever nefarious scheme they want to implement? That would explain the sudden “discovery” and disclosure. I will be shocked …SHOCKED that these enlightened superior beings happen to line up exactly with the policy prescriptions of our globalist elites. What are the odds?

cg2
cg2
Reply to  c matt
11 months ago

They are probably just here To Serve Man.

Sorry, The alien jokes are endless.

Sumguy
Sumguy
11 months ago

“Either these extraterrestrial visitors have figured out how to exceed the speed of light or they have lifespans that dwarf the human lifespan.” I’m not a big fan of discussions about aliens and all that, because it all just amounts to mental masturbation. However, the part about life spans is critical. There is no absolute reason why an alien life form couldn’t turn out to be literally, or at least nearly (relatively) immortal compared to earth life. They could also subsist on forms of energy that we’ve never considered, and in a way that we find difficult to imagine. I… Read more »

WillS
WillS
11 months ago

Option A.
Another squirrel…
Option B.
An explanation for all the extra Democrat votes exceeding the population. AKA new voters.

B125
B125
11 months ago

My theory is that there is a line drawn between what humans can know and what we can’t. A black curtain dividing our mental reality space from the rest of.. whatever is on the other side. Most of us have some kind of vague sense of the “divine” that exists on the other side of that curtain – and some are more in tune with the other side than others. Some can see some outlines pushed up against the curtain, most can’t, and no man can see through it. All of our religions, cults, and rituals are interpretations of those… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  B125
11 months ago

In the last month or so I seem to have developed a hobby of watching youtube videos of people’s accounts of their near death experiences. There are a ton of them. I try to view with a skeptical eye, and indeed many, probably most of them I dismiss. Such as drug overdoses (in which hallucinations would be expected), and others who strike me as charlatan space cadets who are trying to get people signed up for their spiritual healing class. Some whose accounts don’t seem genuine in the way they are told. But there are some who I am convinced… Read more »

Robert
Robert
Reply to  B125
11 months ago

Christianity has been beneficial to the West in my opinion. But your statement doesn’t work for me.

Basically, you’re saying that because science is limited therefore Jesus.

Why not Muhammad, or Zoroaster, or Zeus? I guess having some sense of the “divine” is part of what keeps people going. And in an abstract sense it’s probably hard for most of us to get away from it. I just don’t trust anything that tells me to specifically believe in a literal Bible or some set of words somewhere written by humans.

miforest
miforest
11 months ago

this is a great book by a real physics professor. he is a catholic who sees the 7 “days ” of creation as 7 stages. then in laymens terms describes how the universe was formed . a lot of you would probably like it . https://www.christianbook.com/glorious-scientist-retells-genesis-creation-ebook/giberson-karl/9781612612614/pd/32653EB .
BTW every hunter , game warden and camper has high quality trail cameras all over every forest in the us and canada . if there was a bigfoot , someone whould have gotten colear pic’s of him . probably on his way to the store to buy beef jerkey.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
11 months ago

Now, hold on, Zman. Just check your privilege for a minute.

I’m going to have to check in with the tube worms of Europa and get back to you on this.

Kralizec
Kralizec
Reply to  Alzaebo
11 months ago

Europa?! Figures . . . .

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Kralizec
11 months ago

Terran privilege, what can I say?

cg2
cg2
Reply to  Alzaebo
11 months ago

I had to check with Gato Barbieri.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
11 months ago

I suspect this is a part of the “Moon landings were a hoax!” demoralization scheme started by one of our small-hatted Usual Suspects, just as the loud, obnoxiously militant “American Atheist” types are also predictably small-hatted. By eventually “discrediting” UFO stories, ‘wrong in one, wrong in all’ applies, and they can point to the credulous pursuing a fun hobby as another version of gap-toothed MAGA hats who are so stupid as to believe that Jan. 6th wasn’t an insurrection by racists or that the elections were stolen. Or that white people could’ve achieved spaceflight, since everybody knows they stole that… Read more »

Robert
Robert
Reply to  Alzaebo
11 months ago

I agree. I’ve always thought those that deny the moon landings were basically anti-white. They simply couldn’t give credit to white men.

I’ve known a couple and they always have a hostility toward science. Usually, they don’t identify with other white people. Or they have a bias against Western Civilization.

DFCtomm
Member
11 months ago

Perhaps the Marvelization of everything has finally reached our leaders. They do love a good narrative, and maybe they’ve finally reached the superhero phase of their narrative careers. If your head is open to 7500 genders are superheroes a bridge too far?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  DFCtomm
11 months ago

Heimdahl of the Asgard Bridge was a black Viking, I saw it in the movies!

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
11 months ago

Ja’Heimd’ahlius Ooogaboogassen

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 months ago

Yes! Son of Oogabooga!

If he’d been trans, it would’ve been Oogaboogas-dottir.

An Orthodox Christian
An Orthodox Christian
11 months ago

those beings that people are having contact with are demons, because we have been fooled by scientific materialism for so long, we assume them to be alien creatures from other planets. they are demonic entities.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  An Orthodox Christian
11 months ago

I would figure demons would present themselves to us as very attractive persons, seductive, enticing, charismatic, not as stinky hairy things with tails and horns, or as space aliens

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
11 months ago

Zoar, the thing about aliens is they’re alien.
We can’t understand their thought processes.

They present as a creaky, senescent old fraud from Delaware.

(Waitaminute! Is that why there seems to be four different “Joe Bidens” when one looks at side-by-side photos?)

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Alzaebo
11 months ago

Biden’s cosmetic procedures lead to that phenomenon. “My butt’s been wiped” removed all my doubt that it was the real him.

That being said, it’s not only plausible that they would sometimes use a double for a non speaking appearance, they’d be dumb if they didn’t.

CorkyAgain
CorkyAgain
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
11 months ago

A possibility which must have occurred to every man who’s been divorced.

The Real Bill
The Real Bill
Reply to  An Orthodox Christian
11 months ago

An Orthodox Christian,

You wrote:
“those beings that people are having contact with are demons, because we have been fooled by scientific materialism for so long, we assume them to be alien creatures from other planets. they are demonic entities.”

And your reason for believing that is…. what?

What evidence have you seen for the existence of “demons” in any context?

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  The Real Bill
11 months ago

Bill,
Assume the premise: .gov found Little Gray Men. Assuming the Zpoast is true, it cannot be natural extraterrestrial life. It isnt natural terrestrial life, per the premise of the question. Having excluded natural life from the possible answer, it must be non-natural, or supernatural, life. Thats called a demon (or angel).
Of course, its all fake-n-ghay, everthing they say is a lie including “and” and “the.” But if you accept the premise, then thats the most probable logical answer.

old coyote
old coyote
Reply to  The Real Bill
11 months ago

I viewed many videos of interviews and ‘exorcisms’ made by/with a priest who was most fascinating- and very disturbing, to say the least. Looking into Peter Strozcks (sp?) eyes on the tube during the senate hearing was very disturbing as well.

Carl Jung wrote about these ‘manifestations’; they have occurred through our written history. Of interest: his conclusion was that the observer (shades of quantum theory) interprets the vision in a manner acceptable to his “programming”, if you will. Not just my humble opinion- we are blinded by a materialist Faith.

Ploppy
Ploppy
11 months ago

Well, getting an Earth-like planet is pretty difficult in the first place and remember our Earth was all prokaryotes for most of its existence. Too much mass and you have a gas giant or waterworld. We can barely shoot rockets out of our gravity, and aliens living in a gas giant or waterworld probably can’t even get a hold of the materials to make tools. Too little mass and you get Mars, the magnetic field shuts down after a billion years and all the air and water escapes into space. 90% of the stars in the universe are red dwarves,… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Ploppy
11 months ago

“similar mass as Earth, except it barely rotates, has 90 times our atmospheric pressure, is 900 degrees, and the atmosphere is made of CO2 and Sulfuric Acid”

Sounds a lot like Stacey Abrams…

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 months ago

We’ll rename her Jupiter Ascending…and then Neal DeGrasse Tyson can reclaim his tarnished reputation by declaring she’s not a planet.

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 months ago

Astronomy and Race Realism can mix a person up, just remember that black holes and black a**holes are two different things.

Auld Mark
Auld Mark
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 months ago

You are on today, Ostei!

Guest
Guest
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 months ago

I can see Z grinning when he to post this..

RDittmar
Member
Reply to  Ploppy
11 months ago

Really appreciate the physics insights and if you don’t mind me saying they’ve further confirmed some of my predjudices on so-called alien life. I’m sure you heard of the Drake equation which attempts to put a probability on the likelihood of alien civilizations in the universe. I’m a stats guy and not a physics guy, but I’ve always thought that the height of foolishness as there is literally no way to accurately estimate any of the factors that go into that calculation. With life we are literally dealing with a sample size of 1, so no matter how much we… Read more »

Ploppy
Ploppy
Reply to  RDittmar
11 months ago

Part of the progressive religion is being overly optimistic about technology. Aliens that manage to figure out interstellar travel would prove that we aren’t just going to kill ourselves with porno and video games until we go back to the stone age.

james wilson
james wilson
Member
Reply to  RDittmar
11 months ago

I believe there are an infinite number of advanced civilizations in the universe–because the universe is infinite. If one in two, one in twenty, or one in 100,000 stars has a planet hositing civilization, the number of civilizations is still infinite because any fraction of infinity is still infinity. Advanced alien weirdos will travel, if they can travel, that is automatic. Limited by classical physics, they can’t, even to their closests star. Imagine crosssing, say, four light years at some high fraction of the speed of light without hitting a bit of space dust. At that velocity you are obliterated.… Read more »

miforest
miforest
Reply to  james wilson
11 months ago
james wilson
james wilson
Member
Reply to  miforest
11 months ago

No doubt “our” expanding universe is incomprehenibly enourmous rather than literally infinite but what reason do we have to believe that the infinite space beyond that is not filled with inifinite universes? Is this all that God can handle or is he just taking another day of rest?

miforest
miforest
Reply to  miforest
11 months ago

we don’t know that the space beyond the universe is infinite.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
11 months ago

It’s easy to picture a near future in which you are declared a conspiracy theorist for NOT believing in the aliens So, talking about scientific possibilities here, if the regime wanted to perpetrate a space alien hoax for greater global control, to really sell it they would need to project some kind of holographic image in the sky. so that when we go outside we would see the flying saucer up there with our own eyes. Something like in that awful miniseries V, or that stupid Will Smith movie. I dunno if such a skycast holographic image is possible today,… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
11 months ago

Project Bluebeam is reputed to be the skycast holographic image; it could just be a CGI plastered on the 5 o’clock news feed, too.

Stranger in a Strange Land
Stranger in a Strange Land
11 months ago

Any alien life form capable of visiting the 3rd rock from the sun would surely have some existing evidence of the life forms here. If they did choose to visit – why would it be the US of A? Who’d want to come to a place where before stepping foot on terra firma and being taken to our leader – there’s a murder of Karen’s commanding them to mask up, demanding to know why they aren’t displaying their rainbow flag pins, and specifying the personal pronouns by which they’re to addressed.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
11 months ago

The alien sh- t is for the mind of a 12 year old. Since the average American has arrested development, this appeals to a wide audience. Alien peddling accomplishes three things at once. 1). It makes the government look competent in being able to hide this and supposedly develop the technology. 2) It makes for a nice white noise machine to take the place of the real stories of the day. and 3) It offers false hope to a large number of people who think that once this plot is foiled and the aliens reveal themselves we’ll have a brand… Read more »

Baltimore Oriole
Baltimore Oriole
11 months ago

If I didn’t know any better, this is all perhaps a way to mentally corral those who would likely find BAD THOUGHTS by dipping their toes into the lunatic fringe/”doing their own research” scene. I’m thinking something along the lines of the organizational structure and zeal of color revolutions combined with the Weekly World News. I have known quite a few normies who started off wanting to learn about reptilian shapeshifters and the Face On Mars only to end up in spitting distance to our side. Alex Jones, Art Bell, etc. were not the catalysts either. Forums, blogs, and chat… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Baltimore Oriole
11 months ago

Guilt by association, you can bet your bottom dollar.

mr dithers
mr dithers
Reply to  Baltimore Oriole
11 months ago

but but but negative rh blood types??

Jason Knight
Jason Knight
11 months ago

Perhaps this delves into the realm of science fiction (insofar as we can talk about aliens “realistically”) but why can’t the aliens have some form of hibernation/cryogenic freezing, like in the movie Passengers? To colonize the stars, ideally you would send out a number of ships with a bunch of people in hibernation on each one, waking them up once the ship computer detects a planet suitable for life. That would allow a greater degree of similarity between us and them.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Jason Knight
11 months ago

Were such an option available to us today, I don’t believe there would be any shortage of takers. But it seems like kind of a conundrum: How do you freeze a person without, well, freezing them?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
11 months ago

There are some disembodied frozen heads in a vault in Arizona who’d like to have a word with you…
when they wake up .

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
11 months ago

God forbid one of them belongs to John McCain.

miforest
miforest
Reply to  Jason Knight
11 months ago

because we die when frozen . cell wall are all broken by the expanision of the water in it when freezing . read this book on the universe , and you will laugh at the idea of aliens ‘ https://www.christianbook.com/glorious-scientist-retells-genesis-creation-ebook/giberson-karl/9781612612614/pd/32653EB

Bruno the Arrogant
Bruno the Arrogant
11 months ago

Whether or not space aliens exist, when you think of what would be involved with interstellar travel, it seems highly unlikely they’d be bothered to make the trip just to buzz a few fighter pilots for fun. It’s not even clear to me that alien life forms would even have an interest in contacting us. Most species on earth want nothing to do with each other (we seem to be the exception). While a number of scientists have exhibited an interest in communicating with other species, other species don’t seem to be very interested in reciprocating. Notice your dog has… Read more »

DFCtomm
Member
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
11 months ago

If they did exist we would only be scientific curiosities to them. They might, at great expense, send out scientific expeditions to study us and maybe take samples, but the economics of it would prevent much else.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  DFCtomm
11 months ago

Unless we really are an abandoned outpost in a galactic war scheduled by Einsteinian time dilation.

The first scouts that got here were too few, so had to alter themselves to fit into the local fauna; their enemies have now arrived, and are doing recon.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
11 months ago

Much the same as the plot from the TZ episode, “Will the Real Martian Please Stand Up?”

cg2
cg2
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
11 months ago

it seems highly unlikely they’d be bothered to make the trip just to buzz a few fighter pilots for fun.
We jump out of airplanes for fun.

Most species on earth want nothing to do with each other
Except to eat each other.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
11 months ago

This handy UFO sightings map tells me everything I need to know about this nonsense:

https://twitter.com/Xongkuro/status/1657553674942525440

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
11 months ago

Odd that that graphic goes back to 1906. The inception of the UFO craze is generally reckoned to be Kenneth Arnold’s sighting of “flying saucers” near Mt. Ranier in 1947. Damned if I know the significance of the year 1906 in ufology.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 months ago

HG Wells and Jack London (and probably many more, those are just the ones I can think of) were writing about UFOs and space aliens around the turn of the 20th century. So the “craze” has to go at least that far back in some form.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
11 months ago

JZ-

Correct.

In the era they tended to see them as mysterious giant airships, which was just ahead of the ballon technology available at the time.

DFCtomm
Member
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
11 months ago

Everybody forgets that this isn’t new. There was an alien panic when the first telescopes showed “canals” on Mars and we were sure that it was an occupied world that was plotting to conquer us.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  DFCtomm
11 months ago

If anybody wants a real hoot, there’s an anthology of War of the Worlds stories…

From the perspective of such places as China, Alaska, and Paris.

Oh my dudes. This is wild. Top recommendation.

DFCtomm
Member
Reply to  DFCtomm
11 months ago

Do you remember the title? You can search for China and Russia and war but that returns nothing but a mess of what you don’t want.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  DFCtomm
11 months ago

Well, hell, you can take it all the way back to the prophet Ezekial, who supposedly witnessed strange atmospheric phenomena, if you like. However, the term “flying saucer” was coined in 1947, and the widespread reporting of UFOs dates to that year. The high-water mark was 1952. But an any rate, since 1947, UFOs have been a mainstream phenomenon in America/AINO. Prior to that year there were isolated instances of somebody reporting something strange in the heavens.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  DFCtomm
11 months ago

Late: sorry, DFC, will try. Many books and heirlooms got tossed.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
11 months ago

But the map reflects alleged sightings, not imaginative fiction.

The Real Bill
The Real Bill
11 months ago

As I understand it, the latest estimate is that there are several hundred billion galaxies, and that each galaxy is estimated to contain an average of 100 million stars; *a total number of stars that overwhelms our mind’s ability to conceive of it* So— assuming that the arising of life on Earth was a natural phenomenon; i.e., not the result of action by a divine being— *even if the conditions allowing for life to arise are extremely rare; probabilistically, it’s extremely likely— approaching a certainty— that it’s happened elsewhere* And speaking of inconceivable numbers: the outermost edges of our Universe—*which… Read more »

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  The Real Bill
11 months ago

The Real Bill

I’m not sure why you got a downvote.
What you wrote is a self evident truth.
Maybe it’s the math.

And as for “inconceivable”, you keep using that word……..

The Real Bill
The Real Bill
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
11 months ago

Bartleby,

I’m guessing the downvotes were cast by some of the religious members of this forum, reacting to my suggestion that we don’t need religion to experience awe.

As far as my frequent use of “inconceivable”, perhaps it’s just a reflection of my own limitations. I have a hard time wrapping my head around the notion of a million stars, never mind millions of millions….

mifrosty
mifrosty
Reply to  The Real Bill
11 months ago

no , the numbers ar afantasy, not the current state ofthe science.

The Real Bill
The Real Bill
Reply to  mifrosty
11 months ago

mifrosty,

Really? Which numbers are “a fantasy”?

What numbers does “the current state of the science” hold to be true?

It’s certainly possible that I’m wrong; and if so I’d love to be set straight.

WCiv911
WCiv911
Reply to  The Real Bill
11 months ago

“So— assuming that the arising of life on Earth was a natural phenomenon; i.e., not the result of action by a divine being.” What in tarnation does “natural phenomenon” mean? Simply naming something is not helpful. If a divine being isn’t responsible for creation, who is? It would seem that the “natural phenomenon” who created us life has made a pretty good case for being divine, something I would call a SUPER natural phenomenon. In the everydayness of life we learn take much of creation for granted and we lose our child like sense of awe, and simply dismiss it… Read more »

miforest
miforest
Reply to  WCiv911
11 months ago

you would like this book by a real physicist . it is actually written in understandable language https://www.christianbook.com/glorious-scientist-retells-genesis-creation-ebook/giberson-karl/9781612612614/pd/32653EB

The Real Bill
The Real Bill
Reply to  WCiv911
11 months ago

WCiv911, By “natural” I meant ‘arising from the inherent qualities of the universe itself’; as opposed to coming about with the help of a “supernatural” divine being. As in, ‘water naturally flows downhill’. I remain agnostic as to the existence of a supernatural being or force ‘outside of’ or ‘above’ the world as we experience it. My own experience has convinced me that ‘the God of the Bible’ doesn’t exist; but beyond that, I just don’t know. Do you? How? As for how our Universe came to be, it seems to me that all existing explanations are equally hard to… Read more »

Dan Doffs
Dan Doffs
Reply to  The Real Bill
11 months ago

I don’t know the answers – who does? You state that the number of stars etc. is inconceivable to you — yet they exist. Then you state that the idea of a god creating all of this wonderment is ‘extraordinary’. Well, of course it is as is the idea of the entire creation. But it exists.

The Real Bill
The Real Bill
Reply to  Dan Doffs
11 months ago

Dan,

Indeed! It’s extraordinary any way you look at it.

And yes: we know it exists. Anything beyond that— such as how it got there— is conjecture.

But scientific conjecture is based on evidence, and a logical interpretation of demonstrable facts;
while religious conjecture is based on what someone read in their “holy book”.

Of the two, I’ll stick with the science.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Dan Doffs
11 months ago

Not so. Belief in a creator is based on observable fact (existence) and the logical interpretation of observable facts (a contingent thing requires a noncontinge entity as its ultimate source).

WCiv911
WCiv911
Reply to  The Real Bill
11 months ago

Bill,

“By “natural” I meant ‘arising from the inherent qualities of the universe itself’;”

From whence did these inherited qualities arrive?

I would think it’s natural to think that the natural was preceded by the supernatural.

To Job when he questioned God’s ways: Where were you, when i laid the foundation of the Earth? Can you bind the chains of Pleiades.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  The Real Bill
11 months ago

There are an increasing number of physicists who argue that the conditions required for the fruition of life are incredibly specific and narrow, and that if even one of the categories of life creation is fractionally out of the required range, life cannot develop. From this hypothesis they conclude two things. First, it is improbable life exists anywhere else in the universe. Second, life on earth is the intentional creation of a supreme being.

I am not qualified to assess the merits of their arguments, but I do know these arguments are taken seriously by people who are.

The Real Bill
The Real Bill
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 months ago

Ostei, I don’t believe anyone fully understands the conditions that would be necessary for life to arise naturally, i.e. on its own. If someone has shown what those conditions are, I’m not aware of it. And I don’t see how anyone could calculate the odds of that happening; on our planet, or in the universe at large. And it strikes me that both possibilities— a God creating life, or life arising naturally— are equally plausible or implausible. As for your pointing out that “… the conditions required for the fruition of life are incredibly specific and narrow, and that if… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  The Real Bill
11 months ago

You don’t know the conditions and the probabilities, and neither do I, but then again, we’re not physicists. There are, however, physicists who claim to have bowled this stuff out. As for the argument for divine creation, what these physicist are saying is that the monumentally multitudinous potential modulations of the equally numerous conditional categories necessary for life are such that everything aligning at random in just the right way to produce life is extraordinarily improbable. Less improbable is that God exists and “adjusted” the necessary “settings” for life to form on earth. It’s a variation of the old chestnut… Read more »

Wonton
Wonton
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 months ago

“..everything aligning at random in just the right way to produce life is extraordinarily improbable. ”

The size of the universe is unknown. The size is certainly larger than the visible universe and is perhaps infinite in size.

Given an infinite universe, anything that is possible, however unlikely will occur an infinite number of times.

Ultimately that means that there is really nothing special about ourselves as individuals are there may be an infinite numbers of copies of us throughout the universe.

miforest
miforest
Reply to  The Real Bill
11 months ago

that is hearsay and the numbers are made up. read this book by PHD in astrophysics and it explains the state of the science currently . you will never buy that startrek stuff again. https://www.christianbook.com/glorious-scientist-retells-genesis-creation-ebook/giberson-karl/9781612612614/pd/32653EB

DFCtomm
Member
Reply to  The Real Bill
11 months ago

*even if the conditions allowing for life to arise are extremely rare; probabilistically, it’s extremely likely— approaching a certainty— that it’s happened elsewhere* ++++++++++ Other than the life that exists on Earth there is no evidence of spontaneous genesis. If it were possible wouldn’t we continue to see the earth producing new forms of single celled life that didn’t exist yesterday? However, we don’t see that. We do see the evolution of simple lifeforms that have existed for millennia, but nothing that has just sprung from the either, and we can’t produce it in the lab even though all the… Read more »

Wonton
Wonton
Reply to  DFCtomm
11 months ago

“Other than the life that exists on Earth there is no evidence of spontaneous genesis. If it were possible wouldn’t we continue to see the earth producing new forms of single celled life that didn’t exist yesterday? ” This is a world of struggle and competition, any purely new life would be out-competed by existing forms that have had 3.5 billion years to adapt. The first life had no competition, any subsequent abiogenesis events would be eaten by what is already here. The problem facing any new life is similar to the dilemma of insects in the ocean. Insects evolved… Read more »

Zaphod
Zaphod
Reply to  The Real Bill
11 months ago

x 1.61

Metric FFS!

😀

PrimiPilus
PrimiPilus
11 months ago

Writing this having only skimmed the comments (time crunch); please forgive if I’m not the first to say this. So …. What if they actually believe this? What if there is some human mechanism or need to make up or believe these things when the conditions, experience or mental reality of an individual or group “progress” to far into uncharted, threatening or deleterious pathways? I have some hazy thought that they’ve moved so far into the world of unreality, that they are constructing artificial realities — something like an artificial biological reality glitch gets activated — and en-mass they become… Read more »

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  PrimiPilus
11 months ago

My impression from watching interviews with the military guys who are currently pushing the alien thing* is that they’re true believers, not in aliens but in their class as divinely chosen by a greater-than-human power to inflict globohomo on us. Lately the rhetoric of WEF types has been escalating in that direction. Eventually this necessitates aliens—not arriving but always already here, proving that AOC (e.g.) was always right. * “Thing” because there’s no actual story being pushed, just a premise for one: Alien stuff is here. For basically the reasons Z mentions, that’s not very plausible. If true, it’s the… Read more »

PrimiPilus
PrimiPilus
Reply to  Hemid
11 months ago

Yes ….. that exactly. They have to become true believers aligned with the rulers and the subordinate executive caste belief, processes and goals They must do this in order to remain in the military and advance to exalted rank and position. It’s what they do. It’s how it is now; “mavericks” are not tolerated there (just look at Douglas Macgregor, COL Ret). I was there (not one of them). But I dealt with DC. I lived with their “reality” at the organizational level.

It’s an interesting perspective on how the human mind actually works.

Mork Not A Real Alien
Mork Not A Real Alien
11 months ago

Soloist backpacker/global trekker here. Just returned from a multi-week visit to the remote Himalayan elevations no joke. Also a lia … lawyer. I’d defend a Yeti against charges the creature raped a human up there. Our defenses would include it wasn’t my client but some extraterrestrial aliens that were satisfying their well-known, documented anal probing fetish. Smart money says my Yeti walks. And if not, it will smash the courtroom and return to the wilds. Because it’s a Yeti. Perhaps I’d get sued for defamation by the alien confederation acting on behalf of the Buttplug Nebula. The latter maintaims consulates… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
11 months ago

“Why bother with claims about getting probed by little green men when you can throw on a sundress and prance around Target?”

And Z strikes again. Heh heh.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 months ago

“The whole space alien thing ran its course decades ago. People with a need for escapist fantasies can just claim to be a third gender now.”

That’s gold, Jerry!

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
11 months ago

what is the point of interstellar travel? it is hugely expensive in terms of energy expenditure (remember you have to use as much energy to decelerate as you do to accelerate) and takes incredible amounts of time. and for what? it is safe to assume that all solar systems contain similar elements, so why not focus on mining etc in your own solar system?

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  karl von hungus
11 months ago

“why not focus on mining etc in your own solar system?”

They can’t.

But they can claim to have thwarted a space alien attack, which is classified to keep everyone safe.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  karl von hungus
11 months ago

As James Tiberus Kirk demonstrated, the point of space travel is to seek out and bang alien tail.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  LineInTheSand
11 months ago

well sure, if you have the stomach for it like Kirk did 😛

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  karl von hungus
11 months ago

The documentary film “Galaxy Quest” contains the only actual live footage of human-alien sex and it’s not what Star Trek led us to believe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXAQpKmc4zc

btp
Member
Reply to  LineInTheSand
11 months ago

Aliens with that sexy, green, primitive, jungle girl thing goin’ on.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  LineInTheSand
11 months ago

Hell, if that’s all you want, why not just travel to Namibia? Or Detroit?

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  karl von hungus
11 months ago

“it is safe to assume that all solar systems contain similar elements, so why not focus on mining etc in your own solar system?” For now anyway, this is pure fantasy. The only way this could ever make any sense is if we could get free energy. Even then it might not make as much sense as doing things that are easier to do on Earth, but which are impractical and extremely expensive to do on Earth. IMHO, this is just another form of escapism. If everyone is concentrating on the free energy material abundance techno-utopian future, they aren’t dwelling… Read more »

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
11 months ago

way to miss the point of the post.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  karl von hungus
11 months ago

Relatedly–and further strengthening Z’s argument–of what possible interest could earth be for the sorts of beings who are capable of reaching us from some vastly distant planet? If they have solved the problems inherent in interstellar travel, they have also conquered want, and presumably would have no scientific interest in creatures as primitive as humans.

Now I happen to believe UFOs, in some sense, exist. However, I am disinclined to think they are piloted by Ming the Merciless and his minions.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 months ago

then who is piloting them?

Maxda
Maxda
11 months ago

One of my favorite sci-fi short stories was Turtledove’s “The Road Not Taken”. Turns out faster than light travel is really simple and we just missed it until teddy bears with muskets tried to invade. SNL did a similar skit.
https://eyeofmidas.com › scifi › Turtledove_RoadNotTaken
The Road Not Taken – EyeOfMidas

{{ smallhat ))
{{ smallhat ))
11 months ago

There might be many different forms of life not necessaryly based on carbon and oxygen . The universe is BIG we dont know much about it. All kinds of people have seen the UFOs . Many serious people wrote official reports . Air force officers ,astronauts. Of course the latest stories could be the Pentagon needs better founding to protect the Earth

miforest
miforest
Reply to  {{ smallhat ))
11 months ago

UFOs are unidentified flying objects. eve the name doesn’t imply extraterrestial origins. just that the pilot couldn’t tell what it was . could be an experimental aircraft , ballooon , optical illusion, or any number of things

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  {{ smallhat ))
11 months ago

Yes, I agree we cannot reasonably dismiss UFOs as pure fiction. There is something to them. A poster on this site once suggested they are demons. I don’t know if I necessarily agree with that, but it’s more plausible than that they’re some form of interstellar spacecraft.

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 months ago

There are millions of people, some very well educated and mainstream who claim a man in dress can menstruate and have a baby. There is no limit to the stupidity of a large number of people. I’ll believe UFOs are real and of otherworldly origins when I see some evidence for them. I’ve even seen a “UFO” with my own eyes. While till this day that thing I saw in the sky is “unidentified” to me, I’m sure someone knows what it was and what it was doing. There are plenty of people who know better, but encourage and exploit… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
11 months ago

We know for certain that, short of comprehensive surgical reconstruction, men cannot menstruate and have babies. This is unassailable biological and physiological fact.

There can be no such certainty that UFOs do not exist beyond the febrile realms of hallucination. But that does not mean, as I stated, that they are interstellar spacecraft.

forest grump
forest grump
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 months ago

yes , we can be certian . here is a book by a real physics phd discussing how the universe,sun,and life formed over billions of years . he believes the “days ” are stages of the formation. https://www.christianbook.com/glorious-scientist-retells-genesis-creation-ebook/giberson-karl/9781612612614/pd/32653EB

Vajynabush
Vajynabush
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
11 months ago

Actually, the claim is that that women who have been chemically masculinized by heroic doses of testosterone but are still fertile enough to conceive are in fact men who have become pregnant.

ray
ray
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 months ago

‘A poster on this site once suggested they are demons’

That, in fact, is exactly what they are. And always have been.

TomA
TomA
11 months ago

They do it for the same reason that parents hang a mobile above the crib of a newborn baby. It’s a stimulus that both holds their attention and distracts them (thus remaining calm) so that the parents can go about other business. In current Western societies, there is a growing unrest among the moronic masses due to impending collapse of their standards of living. Many will soon take the streets in protest, so the government has an incentive to distract them with boogeymen in order to keep them in stasis as long as possible. It’s all a variation of “look,… Read more »

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  TomA
11 months ago

TomA

“Look,squirrel “.

You stole my response.

I have a farm in a very isolated area. If I turned around outside one night, (it’s so dark you can’t see your hand in front of your face. The stars look surreal on a clear night), and came face to face with an extraterrestrial, I would ask him if he wanted a beer.

It would either end very badly, or be the beginning of a beautiful relationship.

cg2
cg2
Reply to  Bartleby the Scrivner
11 months ago

haha a bud light.

Zaphod
Zaphod
Reply to  cg2
11 months ago

A few probing questions over a Bud Light… Nothing to worry about.

Xman
Xman
11 months ago

I read books about UFOs in fourth grade in the 1970s. They were so realistic they scared the shit out of me. Then I grew up. The old Star Trek series actually got the problem of interstellar space travel right. Traveling at the speed of light is insufficient because it would still take thousands of years to go from one galaxy to the next. You’d need to travel faster than the speed of light — in Einstein’s theorem, if energy = mass times the speed of light squared, you’d have to be able to convert your corporeal body into pure… Read more »

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  Xman
11 months ago

Not to mention that if you take a trip at or near the speed of light, you will never see anyone you ever knew ever again. Even a relatively short trip would mean that if / when you came back, society might not even exist anymore.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
11 months ago

Yep. I think that was a major theme in the SF novel, “Forever War”? IIRC we sent out our intergalactic marines to fight an unseen bug people, but every time they returned from a mission, society had radically changed. This caused them to simply refit and turn around for the next mission as they really were no longer a part of the society they had originally left. After a few missions, the war was over and the society had changed so radically (I think we all turned gay) they were exiled to another planet to live among their “own kind”.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
11 months ago

Theoretically, there’s a way around that. You could make an engine – the Alcubierre Drive – that compresses space in front of the craft and decompresses is behind it, multiplying your effective velocity. That way, not only could you travel faster than light but you wouldn’t have any relativistic effects to deal with.

Of course, you’d need a power plant with an energy output several times greater than our galaxy…

george 1
george 1
Reply to  Felix Krull
11 months ago

You need the spice mutants from Dune.

ray
ray
Reply to  george 1
11 months ago

Thumbs up Spice Mutants, thumbs down Spice Girls.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
11 months ago

In other words, a supercharged Hemi.

Intelligent Dasein
Intelligent Dasein
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
11 months ago

“Relativistic effects” don’t exist. In fact, the impossibility of such absurdities like time dilation should have been a red flag that physics has lost its way. Instead, the physicists have bit the bullet and warped their minds to fit the nonsense for a hundred years.

The whole edifice of Western science is in a rapid state of decomposition. Relativity and quantum mechanics were its swan song.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
11 months ago

Time dilation has been experimentally proved. It is necessary to compensate for it for GPS to run properly.

The Real Bill
The Real Bill
11 months ago

Scientst Enrico Fermi pointed out what’s come to be known as “Fermi’s paradox”: if the Universe is full of life, where are they? Why haven’t we heard from them? I can’t recall either the author or the title, but someone wrote a book pointing out that earlier in the history of the world, when belief in such things was common, people in Europe routinely reported seeing fairies flying through the air. In Ireland, it was leprechauns. In the industrial age, people reported observing strange “flying machines”. Today it’s spaceships. But as Z-man points out: in our world where everyone has… Read more »

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  The Real Bill
11 months ago

The common rebuttal to the Fermi Paradox is “The Great Filter”. Which is to say, numerous gateway events destroy intelligent lifeforms before they can evolve out of their home planets. Think meteor crashes, solar events, supernovas nearby, invention of nuclear weapons, superbugs, etc. Personally, I think we’re stuck on earth (maybe the solar system). Resource depletion will eventually occur, and that’s it. Just because TV says space travel is real doesn’t make it so. (“The Mote in God’s Eye” by Jerry Pournelle and Larry Niven was about this. A race of aliens trapped in their own solar system and doomed… Read more »

The Real Bill
The Real Bill
Reply to  ProZNoV
11 months ago

All true. How frequent/likely are the cosmic events you mention (asteroid strikes, supernovas)? Well, we know that an asteroid strike wiped out the dinosaurs some 265 million years ago, and hasn’t happened since. And given enough time, it seems likely (certain?) to happen again. But the asteroid strike that wiped out the dinosaurs, didn’t wipe out all life; I believe the theory is that the extinction of dinosaurs is what allowed us mammals to evolve. And then there’s the fact that eventually our Sun—like all stars— is destined to ‘die’: to expand— engulfing Earth in the process— and then collapse.… Read more »

miforest
miforest
Reply to  The Real Bill
11 months ago

real, our earth has protection from our bug brothers of the solar system. Jupiter,saturn,neptune ,and uranius have such High gravity they catch and caprute astroids headed for earth except from a few small sectors . and solar system with and earthlike planet but no giants like these would be hit way more often , and probably by asteroids much bigger that our dino killer. given it took a couple of billion years for intelegent life to arrise from the first life form hear on earth, it is clear that haveing nearly everything wiped out every hundred million years or so… Read more »

miforest
miforest
Reply to  miforest
11 months ago

gotta get theat spellchecker fixed….

Jack Dodson
Jack Dodson
Reply to  The Real Bill
11 months ago

You don’t have to go far into history to find reported mass sightings on fairies. Sir Arthur Conan Doyle believed numerous and obviously doctored photographs of fairies to be true.

The Real Bill
The Real Bill
Reply to  Jack Dodson
11 months ago

Believing in the existence of ‘wonderful’, supernatural beings seems to be part of our human makeup. Even otherwise-logical people like Doyle are susceptible to it.

I am at the risk of offending, my religious brothers and sisters, I suggest that religion falls in the same category.

rasqball
rasqball
Reply to  The Real Bill
11 months ago

William, you’re a Pill:
A clever but obstinate agnostic shill,
I’ll “keep it teleological” up until
The you-foes come raining on down.

;- )

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  The Real Bill
11 months ago

The Real Bill

I’m sitting with my wife in a Drs office, and your last paragraph made me laugh out loud.

The looks from everyone are priceless…

Tars Tarkas
Tars Tarkas
Reply to  The Real Bill
11 months ago

We’ve had radio for a bit over a hundred years. The very last signals from a dying society may have passed by the earth a week before we could receive them. This points out the fundamental flaw of this thinking. Not only is the universe vast beyond human comprehension, but the time dimension is vast beyond human comprehension. At the universe level, a million years ago is like last week. We could discover a signal coming from a society at its zenith on a planet that no longer exists because its star went into supernova. Even if we got lucky… Read more »

(( smallhat))
(( smallhat))
Reply to  The Real Bill
11 months ago

UFO means unidentified maybe they are alien or maybe they are some natural phenomena that cant be explained. But I think too many people claim to have seen them and some of them serious type— air force officers , astronauts that seems to me they are real. What they are we dont know .They are still unidentyfied to me.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  (( smallhat))
11 months ago

Air Force officers and astronauts work for the regime, which makes them highly unbelievable.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  DLS
11 months ago

“The Regime” as we know it, hasn’t always existed. And yet there have been pilots dating to WWII who reported Foo Fighters and Ghost Rockets. I don’t think they were conniving with the Deep State to put one over on the Grillers.

miforest
miforest
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 months ago

probably hitlerrs v-1 or v-2 rockets.

george 1
george 1
11 months ago

To add to the ridiculous, the administration seems to claim that not only are aliens visiting earth but that they have the wreckage of several of their vehicles. Add that claim to the mathematical improbability.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  george 1
11 months ago

You know, this may all just be further evidence that our rulers are stark raving mad. As if any were needed.

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  george 1
11 months ago

Yup, ET is orders of magnitude smarter than us but hasn’t yet invented the tow truck.
I’m not buying it.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Bilejones
11 months ago

.maybe they are just the alien equivalent of teenage boys who stole dad’s saucer and went for a joy ride that got out of control.

Tom K
Tom K
11 months ago

Let’s not encourage the cargo cultists. Everything Z said is correct, with one minor exception, which I’ll get to. Trying to make this phenomenon appear mundane like the Star Wars cantina is laughable. The zany music was appropriate. But the world is filled with midwits, by definition. It follows that the government — or at least some elements within it — have an agenda to influence the public. Probably to use it as a distraction. To Z’s point, I have to push back on the assertion that life is abundant in the universe. It isn’t even necessarily true that earth-like… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Tom K
11 months ago

Agreed. In the highly unlikely event we are being visited by space aliens, they’re far more likely to resemble those in War of the Worlds than ET. And yet scientists, in their we-are-the-world naivete about the nature of intelligent life, have been busily–viz the Very Large Array–broadcasting our existence to all and sundry in the universe. If it is probable that intelligent life exists elsewhere, that it is capable of reaching us and wishes to do so, this act is criminally irresponsible. Who the hell do they think they are, and where do they get off speaking for all of… Read more »

rasqball
rasqball
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 months ago

The Three Body Problem:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remembrance_of_Earth%27s_Past

Zaphod
Zaphod
Reply to  rasqball
11 months ago

Yet more proof that Chinese can’t be original (sic).

Seriously a brilliant series of SF novels.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 months ago

Ben Bova: “The baby bird chirps loudly in its nest…the mountain cat in the forest hears its chirping, and soon, the forest is silent again.”

Zaphod
Zaphod
Reply to  Alzaebo
11 months ago

cf: Liu Cixin’s (author of The Three Body Problem series) description of the Universe as a Dark Forest. Any civilisation which utters a peek is a potential threat. So as the Mafia boss in Casino said ‘Why take a chance?’

Zaphod
Zaphod
Reply to  Zaphod
11 months ago

Utters a peep. Squawks on the radio. Let’s @#%^ing Carl Early Life Sagan near the mike…

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  Tom K
11 months ago

” But the world is filled with midwits, by definition. ”
Nah. The world average IQ is 82.
The world is full of f*ckwits.

https://www.unz.com/jthompson/world-iq-82/

Mark Gleichauf
Mark Gleichauf
11 months ago

All of this assumes Einstein’s claims on physics are the pinnacle and there is nothing left to learn.

The Real Bill
The Real Bill
Reply to  Mark Gleichauf
11 months ago

Right. And it’s helpful to remind ourselves that Einstein’s relativity theories didn’t negate the previous theories of Isaac Newton; but rather, added to them: Newton’s postulates concerning force, gravity, momentum, etc. continue to pertain in the Earthly realm. Whereas Einstein’s postulates— which at this point have been tested and verified— pertain on a different ‘level’ of reality. (Much like the observations of quantum mechanics describe reality at the ‘super-micro’ level, but not at the level of everyday experience.) >!So while it seems unlikely that Einstein’s findings— concerning, say, the speed of light as an absolute limit— will ever be negated… Read more »

ray
ray
Reply to  Mark Gleichauf
11 months ago

‘All of this assumes Einstein’s claims on physics are the pinnacle and there is nothing left to learn.’

And that’s a great assumption to make, given the very recent phenomena that constitutes Mr. Einstein and his theories, compared to the age of humanity and the Earth.

Hubris. Like a child in a playpen, comforted and sure the world cannot possibly be larger. :O)

miforest
miforest
Reply to  Mark Gleichauf
11 months ago

wrong . gravity was discovered hundreds of years ago, but nothing we have learned since them has allowed us to do anything that eliminates gravity . E=MC^2 is not a suggestion, and the speed of light is a real limit.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  miforest
11 months ago

Energy traveling in a vacuum is about as pure a state of physical motion that can be imagined. Seems tough to beat.

ThankGodForOz
ThankGodForOz
11 months ago

Let’s not forget that Cucker loved to float little green men segments and that great statesman, Ahnald – just informed the world that God is dead. Or there is no God, and never was.

In a nod to modren sportsball sideline reporting, the former juice monkey also let everyone know about the ‘feelz’ going on when he announced he had been having congress with the body positive, glam maid of his.

Tallman
Tallman
11 months ago

>Realistically that is a project with a fifty-year arc.

…which makes the 600 year Cathedral construction projects particularly impressive.

>f we assume they can travel at near the speed of light,

Then you’d need to consider relativistic effects (which can be fun). For example, assume a spacecraft capable of a steady 1g acceleration/deceleration. The people on traveling on that spaceship would only experience ~50 of those years. Put differently, even an GenX gezer like Zman could step foot on another planet.

Maxda
Maxda
Reply to  Tallman
11 months ago

Yes – gravity drive propulsion or even a very good solar sail could get you to another planet in a lifetime. Science fiction also uses the obvious short-cut of suspended animation to make it a short trip for the passengers.

A space elevator may be feasible now or in the near future which would make hoisting truly heavy loads into orbit relatively cheap. At that point, the solar system is ours for the taking.

sneakn
sneakn
Reply to  Maxda
11 months ago

I get that it’s possible to fly by an extrasolar planet in a lifetime. But how do you slow down enough to stop and take a look. Acceleration goes both ways.

The physics of visiting other stars are just impossibly daunting. We would need a paradigm shattering new understanding of reality to make it possible.

Tallman
Tallman
Reply to  sneakn
11 months ago

The 50 year @ 1g includes both acceleration and deceleration. The trick I’m hiding is that the 1g acceleration will get you going very, very fast, which means the passengers are experiencing time very, very slowly.

The one thing you can’t do is bring people/resources back to Earth. It’s a one-way colony trip. Fill the new world and subdue it….

Evil Sandmich
Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Maxda
11 months ago

That’s where I’m torn since, all things being equal space exploration is a waste, and a big one at that. OTOH, it’s the only thing that let’s light into the windows of the earth-prison.

sneakn
sneakn
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
11 months ago

it’s very much worth it to send probes. it’s still exploration even if I don’t think it is currently viable or even desirable to put humans into space.

also worthwhile to have more observatories, especially in orbit.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Maxda
11 months ago

“ At that point, the solar system is ours for the taking.” Yes, but is there anything worth taking? Aside from a couple of moons around Jupiter, similar gravity is problematic. Mar’s is ok, but seems useless without generations of terraforming. Asteroid mining? I suppose a cheap, endless supply of energy (fusion?) would go a long way to easing things. But hell, we could make earth pretty good with that as well. That’s what I find interesting about these “big science” endeavors—large cost, little proposed benefit. A rich society’s game to be sure. I suspect however, we will soon not… Read more »

Maxda
Maxda
Reply to  Compsci
11 months ago

Some focused mirrors out in space would provide almost limitless energy (and incredible weapons). Mining and manufacturing in the astroid belt would be cheap. You’d think it would make the Greens happy, but it wouldn’t because they’re just communists.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Maxda
11 months ago

Strip mining on an asteroid is just as evil on an asteroid as it is in Kentucky!

(That’s a joke, BTW.)

(( smallhat))
(( smallhat))
Reply to  Compsci
11 months ago

We live in Ratopia. Earth is very small now. We live in a tiny box now. We either get out or go the way of those mice . MANY YOUNG DONT BELIVE THAT PEOPLE WALKED ON THE MOON. That is because they never saw it. We either go forward or we go backward. In the age of exploration chineese decided to stay home and they styed in place for 500 years. West went out and developed with great speed and conquered the world . The Chineese dont seem to miss it this time.

Tallman
Tallman
Reply to  Compsci
11 months ago

>Yes, but is there anything worth taking?

Room for another 5 billion humans…

…which is our biological imperative.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Maxda
11 months ago

I sometimes think physics is merely the handmaiden of science fiction.

Tarl Cabot
Tarl Cabot
11 months ago

There was a book several years ago, I believe the title was “Rare Earth”, that argued that the conditions necessary to develop intelligent life were so unlikely that they might occur only once in a spiral type galaxy. That means we are talking about not thousands but millions or billions of light years between civilizations. Not even machines could survive that trip. UFOs are clearly a government psyop, either to cover secret tech or distract the public from other issues. Probably, it’s both. I cringe whenever Tucker brings it up, but maybe he knows it’s a scam and is planning… Read more »

Bourbon
Bourbon
Reply to  Tarl Cabot
11 months ago

Tarl Cabot: “UFOs are clearly a government psyop, either to cover secret tech or distract the public from other issues. Probably, it’s both.” Muh guess is that the Council of the Sanhedrin were literally kicking themselves in the posterior when they heard of the mass hysteria which had gripped the state of New Jersey, on Halloween night, of 1938, when the Joyzians learned that Joyzie was under attack by Martians. I’ll betcha that David Sarnoff was so furious that he himself hadn’t thought of the scam that Sarnoff likely would have waged a personal vendetta against Orson Welles for the… Read more »

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Tarl Cabot
11 months ago

I’m beginning to think Tucker’s UFO mentions are a regular signal to his controllers to reassure them that he’s still on-side.

Eloi
Eloi
11 months ago

Two things-
One, I ocne saw an inexplicable aircraft. Does not mean alien, but something that has never been revealed.
Two, the alien stuff is probably a Buttigieg fantasy: “Oh no Mr. Alien, not another, bigger probe!”

Marko
Marko
Reply to  Eloi
11 months ago

I’m sure the probe fantasy is not limited to Bootyjudge

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Marko
11 months ago

I always suspected Earl in Frog Balls, Arkansas might’ve been a bit off.

Tarl Cabot
Tarl Cabot
Reply to  Eloi
11 months ago

A government capable of a program like MK-ULTRA is more than capable of faking alien abductions, snatching fragile personalities perhaps under the influence of LSD or some other hallucinogen. The victims would think it was real.

c matt
c matt
Reply to  Tarl Cabot
11 months ago

No doubt they made the mother ship exam room look like a Holiday Inn in Paramus.

Mr C
Mr C
11 months ago

Safely flying here from 1400LYs away then crashing while in Earth’s atmosphere is hysterical. That’s one thing that never made sense to me.

mmack
mmack
Reply to  Mr C
11 months ago

Perhaps they use Google Maps to navigate.

“GLORG! LOOK OUT! 👽”

WHAM!

“Stupid Earthling Google Maps! What is that @#$%! mountain doing there?!?!” 👽

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  mmack
11 months ago

Also

“Captain Glorg to Engineering! Report, you klorkian klutzholes! This is the tenth time this week we got spotted by an apeman pilot. When the klyt are you going to fix that bloody cloaking device, we’re bleeding photons all over the place!”

Hoagie
Hoagie
Reply to  Mr C
11 months ago

Polish space pilots.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Hoagie
11 months ago

Two polish pilots.

1st polish pilot: “My god! Look how short that landing strip was! We almost crashed!!”

2nd polish pilot: “Yeah, but did you see how wide it was?”

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Hoagie
11 months ago

Captain Glorg Skryzbinywicz is dam’ sure no Luke Skywalker.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Mr C
11 months ago

The alien pilot probably caught a glimpse of Kate Upton sunbathing topless out by her Beverly Hills pool. It could happen to the best of us.

RealityRules
RealityRules
11 months ago

Plausible Reasons:

1. Get Tucker Carlson and others on the right to endorse and promote this and damage their legitimacy and credibility. Necessary for a regime that has little credibility left.
2. Get the usual folks on the right focused on this instead of taking the long grinding practical steps to preserve our people and eventually have our own regime again
3. Yet another distraction from more serious lies and gaping plotholes in the narrative
4. All of The Above

DLS
DLS
Reply to  RealityRules
11 months ago

Very good. Number one never occurred to me. This is a sort of Gell-Mann Amnesia effect. Tucker is skeptical of almost everything the government propaganda machine spits out, but believes former government employees and their grainy videos, when no one else has been able to capture better images on better cameras on billions of cell phones around the globe.

Eddie Coyle
Eddie Coyle
11 months ago

Barnhard.biz highlighted a comment from a William Briggs post on alien life which I believe is spot on for their motives: “I suspect the public is being primed for some sort of announcement of ‘contact with alien intelligence’. This ‘alien intelligence’ will actually be human and terrestrial in origin, but TPTB will pretend they’re talking to space aliens and the space aliens have told us they won’t let humanity join ‘the brotherhood of the cool species’ until we stop using fossil fuels, eating meat, owning property, etc. In other words they’re going to use these faux aliens as a pretext… Read more »

ray
ray
Reply to  Eddie Coyle
11 months ago

An ‘alien deception’ of some type is highly probable in the near future, yes.

All the ink, the mags, the history, the films and etc., is not for nothing.

rasqball
rasqball
Reply to  Eddie Coyle
11 months ago

“The brotherhood of ‘the cool'” – nice one!

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  rasqball
11 months ago

T’is! The Mothership is cleverly as disguised the Bass Pro Shop Pyramid in Memphis.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Eddie Coyle
11 months ago

Ah yes. Captain Glorg from Planet X-19 as a radiant composite of Martin Luther King, Elie Wiesel, Gloria Steinem and Greta Thunberg. Who ever would have guessed?

Good ol' Rebel
Good ol' Rebel
Reply to  Eddie Coyle
11 months ago

Global warming for sure. They’re going to PROVE manmade global climate change is real with alien “science” and/or revealed truth.

Marko
Marko
11 months ago

The only government/UFO theory that makes sense to me is that this is a way for the USA to make wink-wink claims that they have some kind of extraterrestrial technology. Like “Don’t mess with us, or we’ll deploy the ASTRO-LASER”.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Marko
11 months ago

Racist! That’s the AFRO-LASER!!

Discovered in Nubia, natch.
By Yacob’s lab where we made our daring escape!

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
11 months ago

We’ll soon be treated to footage of Samuel L. Jackson, Spike Lee and Charles Barkley swatting Russian fighters from the sky in the Ukraine with the Afro-Laser (equipped with tinted windows, curb feelers, and a bumpin’ system).

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
11 months ago

One of the best and most interesting things ZMan has written. Really first rate.

Here’s what I am hoping for: ZMan’s essay on NYC’s idea of “requiring” (that’s the word they are using, at least for now) New Yorkers to house illegal aliens in their own homes.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
11 months ago

Woah, hoooly moly.
It’s a secret plan to quarter the alien invasion force!

They look just human enough, we’ll never notice the odd little details.

Intelligent Dasein
Intelligent Dasein
Member
11 months ago

I guess I must have missed the administration pushing the alien visitors. I don’t follow the state media whatsoever, and none of the alternative sources I read seem to have ran with the story (thankfully). But if this is going on, I doubt there is anything more behind it than the desire to co-opt another group into the Leftist governing coalition. If believers in aliens can be convinced that they are an oppressed minority, then Uncle Sugar closes another sale. If this sounds silly, that’s because it is. But remember, the regime only thinks it knows what it’s doing. In… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Intelligent Dasein
11 months ago

Naah. The aliens have been here since Roswell, so they count as DACA.

They should be able to vote as an underrepresented minority!

Hyah. You thought the trannys were human, too, I’ll bet.

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
11 months ago

It’s my conviction that there are other forms of sentient life in the cosmos — and I say “conviction” because I don’t have the scintilla of empirical evidence that there are. Our present understanding of physics is that interstellar (let alone intergalactic) space travel is just not on the cards for sentient beings like us. Unless, like the guild navigators in the world of Frank Herbert’s “Dune”, we can “fold spacetime.” It’s not utterly inconceivable that some advanced species is monitoring us, like laboratory rats. It just seems somewhat far-fetched. And coming from an administration that routinely lies about everything… Read more »

Outdoorspro
Outdoorspro
Reply to  Arshad Ali
11 months ago

“Our present understanding of physics…”

That’s the key right there. We have no idea what we don’t know.

ray
ray
Reply to  Outdoorspro
11 months ago

One thing studying history and the progress of humans reveals is that what we don’t know constitutes far, far more than what we do.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Arshad Ali
11 months ago

Dey seasonings must flow!

Zaphod
Zaphod
Reply to  Alzaebo
11 months ago

In other news, the Harkonnen Mayonnaise Combine launches a takeover bid.