A Weird End For A Weird War

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The war in Ukraine will go down as one of the stranger conflicts in American history, mostly because it has been a phony war. That is, the American government spent most of the war pretending to not be part of the war, while supplying the Ukrainians with hundreds of billions in war material. With a new administration bringing realism back to foreign policy, the end of the war promises to be strange as well. While the end is known, the path remains a mystery.

The story over the last few weeks has been the squeeze the administration has put on Zelensky to get him to agree to peace talks and agree to sign over the country’s natural resources as compensation for the hundreds of billions in aid. The process has revealed to the administration that Zelensky is an unreliable partner in a peace deal, so his future is now limited. You cannot make a deal with a guy that no one trusts, so whatever peace comes to Ukraine will not include Zelensky.

You see this with the peace talks coming this week between officials from the Trump administration and a Ukrainian delegation. Saudi Arabia is hosting the talks, and one man has been told not to attend. That man is Zelensky. Not only was he excluded from the meeting, but he was also barred from traveling with the delegation. Zelensky had planned to just hang around Saudi Arabia during the talks. Clearly, these meetings are about life after Zelensky.

The main point of the meeting is to find out if there is any support in Ukrainian politics for a peace deal. Getting rid of Zelensky is not a great challenge. Finding a replacement is not a great challenge. The issue is finding a new leader who can sign a peace deal without the country collapsing into turmoil. The Trump administration needs to find someone that can act as an interim leader, get the political factions to accept a peace deal and then hold elections.

If elections were held today, the most likely winner would be the former commander of the Ukrainian army, Valery Zaluzhny. While he has the respect of the army and the respect of the public, he is tightly tied with the ultranationalists. There are a lot of pictures of Zaluzhny posing next to iconography reminiscent of a certain period in German history, because he is extremely fond of that time. That means he is probably not a reliable option as a peaceful leader of Ukraine.

Another option is Petro Poroshenko, an oligarch who got rich in the aftermath of the collapse of the Soviet Union. He first got rich in the candy business, which earned him the nickname of the “Chocolate King.” He also owned media companies, natural resources firms and manufacturing concerns. He has lost a lot of his power over the last five years as Zelensky consolidated his own power in Kiev. Poroshenko is also an outlandishly corrupt figure with ties to the ultranationalists.

Another option is Yulia Tymoshenko, who made some headlines in the West when she briefly became the face of the “Orange Revolution.” She is the leader of the Batkivshchyna (Fatherland) political party and strongly anti-Russian, but she has been a critic of the war and Zelensky’s handling of it. She is an oligarch as well, having got rich in the energy business. This earned her the nickname “The Gas Princess”, which may be one of the better nicknamed in politics.

Within Ukrainian media, the betting favorite at the moment is Tymoshenko for the simple reason that she does not have the ultranationalist baggage. She has her own party outside the Zelensky machine, and she seems willing to strike a deal. It may also be easier for a woman to sell peace to the public. There are millions of wives and mothers of men who have been killed or maimed in the war. That might be enough to overcome opposition from the ultranationalists.

A major challenge to finding a replacement for Zelensky is Europe. The scheming ladies of Brussels view Zelensky as an essential part of their scheme to turn the EU into a replacement for NATO. This is why they are offering him unconditional support for his efforts to scuttle any peace deal with Russia. Then you have individual leaders like Keir Starmer and Emmanuel Macron, who are trying hard to make Zelensky seem like the most honest man in Europe.

Further complicating matters is the condition of the Ukraine army. They are now being routed in the Kursk region. Thousands of their best soldiers are now trapped in a cauldron with no chance of escape. Thousands of others have surrendered and thousands more have died fleeing toward the border. An army low on morale, hearing that its main benefactor wants a peace deal, is not going to respond well to news that its best units have been routed.

Since everything about this proxy war has been strange, it is fitting that its last acts will be strange as well. Normally in a long war of attrition, the side with the upper hand is willing to press on with the war, while the other side wants peace. In this case, the winning side wants a deal, while the losing side demands to fight on, even as its main benefactor demands peace. It will be another reminder that this part of the world produces nothing but misery for everyone around it.


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Hun
Hun
18 days ago

In this case, the winning side wants a deal, while the losing side demands to fight on

That is because Zalensky is not Ukrainian and the entities backing this war hate the populations of both – Russia and Ukraine.

Ted X
Ted X
Reply to  Hun
18 days ago

Khazarian mafiosi like “Zelensky” and his sugar-daddy Kolomoisky are the traditional war-mongering shekel grubbers of the cult of flea-bitten rug merchants that Jesus railed against in the gospels (aka brood of vipers).

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Anna
Anna
Reply to  Ted X
17 days ago

And they still cannot manage without the Jews: Julia Timoshenko’s father is a Jew of probably Armenian origin, and Poroshenko’s father is (was) Jewish, Poroshenko is using his mother’s last name. Ha-ha-ha.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Anna
17 days ago

Too true – they certainly wouldn’t have managed the Holodomor without the Jews.

Quartermaster
Member
Reply to  Hun
17 days ago

Rubbish. Zelensky is Ukrainian. He is the grandson of a Ukrainian Jew that joined the Red Army to fight the Germans. His Ukrainian ancestry goes a lot further back as well.

There is a lot of Rubbish floating around about the war.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  Quartermaster
17 days ago

You can’t serve two masters. If you had to guess, is Zelensky’s deepest loyalty to the historic Ukrainian people or the chosen worldwide?

Steve
Steve
Reply to  LineInTheSand
17 days ago

They are allegedly a smart people. If you wrote down a list of pros and cons of which master to serve, would it favor the loyalty you are presuming? Or would it argue that they are morons?

Wiffle
Wiffle
Reply to  Steve
17 days ago

Their vaunted intelligence is a bit overrated.

Hun
Hun
Reply to  Quartermaster
17 days ago

His passport states that he is “Jewish” and he has the “right of return”.

According to Times of Israel, Zelensky said that he comes from “an ordinary Soviet Jewish family.”

I wonder why you feel compelled to spread disinformation.

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NoName
NoName
Reply to  Hun
17 days ago

Hun: “I wonder why you feel compelled to spread disinformation.

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Robbo
Robbo
Reply to  NoName
16 days ago

Can you show us on this doll where the Jews touched you?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Quartermaster
17 days ago

If he’s Ukrainian, why can’t he speak Ukrainian? He sure ain’t no Slav.

Last edited 17 days ago by Alzaebo
BigJimSportCamper
BigJimSportCamper
Reply to  Quartermaster
17 days ago

If you are the same ‘Quartermaster’ from Unz then you are are a complete Zionist shit.
Begone.

Xman
Xman
18 days ago

The weirdest thing about this weird war is that the president’s drug addict son was paid millions by a foreign nation that subsequently got $300 billion in U.S. military and financial aid and there was not ONE PEEP about it from the media or the Left.

One can only imagine how these people would have gone apeshit if Tricia Nixon had been put on the South Vietnamese payroll just before Dick announced more military aid…

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  Xman
17 days ago

Zman wrote a great piece the other day about the return of Realpolitik and the end of moralism in policy. I’d say this qualifies. All the Warmongers were crowing about how our money has hurt Russia, never mind all the death and the gross immorality of perpetuating a dangerous, unwinnable proxy war with a nuclear power. So if there is a silver lining, it’s that morality has been chucked out the window. Realism can easily tilt back to peace if it’s more profitable because we have no clearly have no moral compass here.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
17 days ago

So, to recap, two guys who have lost two elections (Macron and Starmer) back a guy who refuses to hold an election (Zelensky) to keep fighting while Trump’s (actually elected) peace efforts are ignored in favor of the war cries of the EU leadership (who are unelected). They want to fight with no army and no money, but just overturned an actual election in Romania won by a peace candidate. Meanwhile the Italian lady said we should extend NATO protection to Ukraine, but not with Italian troops. And the newly-elected German Chancellor wants to spend 400B Euro rebuilding the Wehrmacht… Read more »

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
Reply to  Captain Willard
17 days ago

More or less correct except that that loser and p.o.s., Starmer did win an election because his opposition was even more detested than him. The Brits are not given much of a choice.

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  Arshad Ali
17 days ago

Kind of like Mitt Romney vs Barrack Obama. Either way, you lose.
Representative “Democracy” only works when the ruling elite fear the population. Right now, the ruling elite hate the population, largely because they fear the invader population. But there are a lot more Brits than foreigners.

Abelard Lindsey
Abelard Lindsey
Reply to  Arshad Ali
17 days ago

That’s right. He won with only like 20% of the vote because the Conservative (Tory) party was even more stupid than Labour. Apparently the Conservatives are now doubling down on stupidity.

iForgotmyPen
iForgotmyPen
Reply to  Captain Willard
17 days ago

Great point about Putin. He not only doesn’t trust anyone from the West, he knows that our precious democracy means that any deal signed, even one with honest intentions, will not outlast the next “election.” He must move forward alone and do what’s best for his people and he can since he holds all the cards right now.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Captain Willard
17 days ago

“…rebuilding the Wehrmacht to threaten Russia,..”

No, I don’t think it is Russia they want to threaten. It is their own nationalists who must be crushed, that is priority #1. The war loan people have promised billions to recast the EUNATO into the kind of cyber-totalitarian state that Ellison, Lutnick, Fink and company promise to make North America.

That means 500 million people responsible for that debt, thus the ‘need’ to collateralize national assets…same as here. Ukraine? Ukraine is the gateway to turn Eastern Europe into Bosnia.

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Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Alzaebo
17 days ago

E. Michael Jones was talking to a member of the West German security services after the reunification. He asked him: “Wer ist jetzt der Feind? (who is the enemy now?). The answer: “Das Deutsche Volk!” (the German people).

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Captain Willard
17 days ago

Well said.

Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  Captain Willard
17 days ago

I don’t know why Putin would not be sure about any potential agreement and if it is worth the paper it won’t be printed on. I don’t think anything is more sure than the West will not honor any deal it signs today. The Minsk deals were hammered out and signed by everyone, yet here we are.

Clownworld will honor the deal as long as there is a good benefit in doing so. The moment things change and honoring the deal is no longer advantageous, they will break it.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
17 days ago

Agree. You put it well. I was running out of space….

Diversity Heretic
Member
Reply to  Captain Willard
17 days ago

You forgot Donald Tusk of Poland who wants to double the size of the Polish army using universal male conscription, making it the biggest army in Europe (outside Russia), and acquire nuclear weapons.

Donald Tusk was elected, but one wonders whether a partitioned Poland (from about 1793 to 1919) was an altogether bad idea.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
17 days ago

Fair to wonder how much USAID influence was brought to bear in the 2023 Polish elections. Although I believe a strong military hardline against Russia is a fairly bipartisan view in Poland.

Templar
Templar
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
17 days ago

…one wonders whether a partitioned Poland (from about 1793 to 1919) was an altogether bad idea.

Polish independence was certainly not worth the cost of two world wars.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Templar
17 days ago

Polish independence was merely a pretext for imperial Britain and imperial America to intervene on the European continent.

Vizzini
Member
Reply to  Captain Willard
17 days ago

…400B Euro rebuilding the Wehrmacht…

Let’s not ignore the fact that 400B Euro won’t get you an army big enough for sustained fighting against anything but some second-rate banana republic.

ETA: Or your own people, as some people here have astutely pointed out.

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GunnerQ
Reply to  Captain Willard
17 days ago

Georgescu in Romania is a Zionist, not a nationalist, and his ally, professional mercenary Horatiu Potra, actually did attempt some kind of Direct Action. Both persons then lied to authorities about having an association. Potra’s men were shut down early so it’s hard to say what exactly they would have done… …meanwhile, Georgescu has promised to move Romania’s embassy to Jerusalem and host a Netanyahu visit in open defiance of ICC warrants. That’s not what nationalists do. Potra was once head of security to the Emir of Qatar and did much work protecting Rothschild mining interests in Africa. Romania has… Read more »

pyrrhus
pyrrhus
17 days ago

In theory, the Russians want a deal…but a deal that satisfies their announced goals…In fact, no such deal is going to be offered by Trump or the Ukrainians, and any such proposal is tarnished by the bad faith shown with respect to the Minsk I and II treaties…which embarrassed Putin…So the cleanest and best option is to fight until Ukraine surrenders, and then take the Russian speaking areas and Odessa, leaving Ukraine no ports on the Black Sea…

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  pyrrhus
17 days ago

This, Putin wants a deal that recognizes Russia as the winner of the conflict, the rightful owner of the eastern provinces they captured and Crimea, and Ukraine as a helpless rump state. But we all know that before the ink is dry, the people who engineered this war will be scheming and soon enough you will see the media saying that America can’t tell a country what to do and what alliances it wants to join. Of course this is totally lolworthy but the elites eat this junk up…

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Mycale
17 days ago

Unless I miss my guess–and if history is anything to go by–the “elites” are going to face *serious* “domestic unrest.” And that will be if they are really lucky. Somethin’s gotta give.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  pyrrhus
17 days ago

Agreed. And right now, anyway, it’s hard to imagine any other outcome–at least one that doesn’t destroy the whole world.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  pyrrhus
17 days ago

Agree about the Russians, but I think Trump is absolutely prepared to recognize all the Oblasts that voted to join the RF. He correctly wants out. (There’s not 3 Americans in a hundred who understand all the ethnic/Russophone nuances involved.) In the end, I think the Azov types can accept this because those oblasts are Russian and everyone understands this. Getting a legitimate Ukrainian president to say all this publicly is a problem. And the EU types would have to admit they made a huge mistake with Minsk II. This is always the problem with war – aims change, sunk… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Captain Willard
17 days ago

Three in a hundred? Given that the average AINOian couldn’t find his own hometown on a map, you’d better make that three in a million.

Zulu Juliet
Zulu Juliet
Reply to  pyrrhus
17 days ago

So the cleanest and best option is to fight until Ukraine surrenders, and then take the Russian speaking areas and Odessa, leaving Ukraine no ports on the Black Sea…”

I think you nailed it there. If the Russians continue to gain the upper hand on the battlefield, this is surely their endgame.

Templar
Templar
Reply to  pyrrhus
17 days ago

In fact, no such deal is going to be offered by Trump…

That doesn’t sound very realistic.

george 1
george 1
Reply to  pyrrhus
17 days ago

Yes. At this time a push to the East Bank of the Dnieper River looks all but certain. After that about 50/50 as to whether the Russians take Odessa by force as well. That probably goes for Kiev too.

Trump won’t like that but the Russians have not agreed to negotiate an end to the war. The talks with the U.S. are all concerning other matters. The Russians have made clear they will not talk about ending the war until their objectives are met. They have no reason to trust Trump or the West in general.

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karl von hungus
karl von hungus
18 days ago

maybe no peace is possible before the AFU is fully destroyed?

the real loser here (given ukraine was always a garbage country) is europe. exposed as corrupt, incompetent, and incapable of learning even the most obvious lessons. oh, and now they are defenceless having sent all their weapons and munitions to ukraine. well done peeps, the WW I crowd applauds your efforts.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  karl von hungus
17 days ago

kvh-

I think you are essentially correct.

There is no zone of potential agreement between the US and Russia, so there will be no peace.

Odessa is a tricky element. Putin may not want to take it, but he needs to. The problem is that taking Odessa substantially raises the odds of direct US intervention.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
17 days ago

I do hope not, but what is Trump up to? He’s all over the map with this crisis–and it *is* a crisis. Is he playing the now-famous 4D chess? Or is he surrounded by lunatic lying neocon John-Boltons-in-disguise? Or is he simply out of his depth and in way over his head? Or what? The latest that I have read is that he is “really close” to letting the Ukraine have access again to Skylink to guide their missiles. It doesn’t seem to make any sense. But direct US intervention would be a disaster of incalculable proportions. Maybe even the… Read more »

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
17 days ago

just ignore “reports”. 9/10 things trump says are just filler.

Pozymandias
Reply to  karl von hungus
17 days ago

That’s what I think and some of what Trump says may not be so much trolling but a delaying tactic or deliberate misdirection.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Pozymandias
17 days ago

I think this is exactly right. It’s a lot of flim-flam bullshittery with two objectives: (1) run out the clock so Russia IMPOSES a permanent solution [and any solution that reestablishes Russian security is good for us, because we want PEACE with white Christian nuclear power] and (2) do so in a way that avoids blame, especially from his jewish stakeholders like widow-Adelson. The stupid peasant jew Zelensky is the designated holder of the bag of excrement, in the same way that Biden was before he became too mentally incapacitated for it to be even remotely plausible anymore. He may… Read more »

Pozymandias
Reply to  Horace
17 days ago

The contest to see who can whack Zelenskyyyy may well be the most intense and vicious one ever.

karl von hungus
karl von hungus
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
17 days ago

IMO russia can do what it wants, with regards to ukraine. the US is clearly ready to move on, and the afghan bugout sets a ceiling on any US posturing. with zelensky a dead man walking, the champagne is on ice in moscow.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  karl von hungus
17 days ago

When that poisonous perv finally meets his maker, Moscow won’t be the only place a cork is popped. Casa Kozelskii’s carpet may also be dampened by a touch of the bubbly…

Member
17 days ago

I’m sure the European Girlboss Club would prefer the Girlboss, but that depends on how that little poisonous CIA dwarf gets removed from the board. If the Uke generals pull off a 1943 style deposition of Mussolini, keeping him alive as a bargaining chip to negotiate their way out of a losing war, or if they do him like Diem in 1963. Of course, that might not happen if the Uke Army finally mutinies like the German Army did in 1918, and the lower ranks simply rebel and the generals lose control of the troops. Because if there’s one fact… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Pickle Rick
17 days ago

Keine Ahnung. But it wouldn’t have nearly so many vowels in it.

Nick Noltes Mugshot
Nick Noltes Mugshot
Reply to  Pickle Rick
17 days ago

Perhaps Zelensky will be allowed to resume his previous career as a comedian and offered a long term residency at the Golden Nugget Casino in Las Vegas. Trump should be able to arrange that.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Nick Noltes Mugshot
17 days ago

He’d be better suited to the Brown Nugget out in Henderson…

Puszczyk
Puszczyk
Reply to  Pickle Rick
17 days ago

удар у спину

Grumpy
Grumpy
17 days ago

You cannot make a deal with a guy that no one trusts
As the Russians should have learned twice with Minsk

bob sykes
bob sykes
17 days ago

Any replacement for Zelenskyy must be acceptable to Russia, and Timoshenko is not. There are also the issues of denazification, demilitarization, and neutrality.

The US and EU still refuse to listen to what Russia is saying. They still think they can impose a peace treaty on Russia.

Tarl Cabot
Tarl Cabot
Reply to  thezman
17 days ago

She wants to be an EU girlboss like Ursula and Katja. The good news is if they change their tune, so will she.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  thezman
17 days ago

She doesn’t give a Zhytomyr

Steve
Steve
Reply to  thezman
17 days ago

“Those are my principles. If you don’t like them, I have others.”

Anna
Anna
Reply to  thezman
17 days ago

From what i remember Julia has not a drop of Ukrainian blood. She had to learn Ukrainian and place the braid on her head in old fashioned Ukrainian style to win her first election.

Xman
Xman
Reply to  Anna
17 days ago

She’s got enough drops of blood to get herself a villa in Haifa, though.

Arshad Ali
Arshad Ali
17 days ago

“A major challenge to finding a replacement for Zelensky is Europe. The scheming ladies of Brussels view Zelensky as an essential part of their scheme to turn the EU into a replacement for NATO. This is why they are offering him unconditional support for his efforts to scuttle any peace deal with Russia. Then you have individual leaders like Keir Starmer and Emmanuel Macron, who are trying hard to make Zelensky seem like the most honest man in Europe.” The Europeans present a pathetic sight. From 2021 to 2024 they were posturing and preening as “world leaders” but Trump has… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Arshad Ali
17 days ago

Whether the mewling runts are capable of it or not, nothing would make me happier than to see them go their own way and attempt to forge their own Ukraine/Russia policy. The Blackberry Fruitcake Empire gets to wash its hands of the entire continent, the Euros get exposed for the bumbling twits they are, and Russia becomes stronger. That’s a win/win/win, baby.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  Arshad Ali
17 days ago

Well put. If we have learned anything from this war, it’s that you cannot defeat a modern adversary without space-based ISR. The money the Euros are talking about so far doesn’t even approach the table stakes for modern ISR, air force, hypersonic missiles etc. It’s a fugazy. Meanwhile, the UK cannot even recruit troops. Why join the French Foreign Legion when you can just take a boat across the Channel and get welfare in the Uk?

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Captain Willard
17 days ago

That depends on what you mean by “defeat.” Multiple parties have shown that it’s possible to outlast the GAE without “high tech.” Maybe that’s all Russia has really been trying to do, militarily, for a while now. Although they aren’t invincible qualities (see Assad), determination and will are still the most important military attributes.

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Pozymandias
Reply to  Arshad Ali
17 days ago

Europe’s muppet rulers have so many big plans for themselves. Let’s see, they’re going to build their own Murrica-lite war machine, presumably cutting their welfare state down to Alabama levels to do it. They’re also going to rebuild the industry needed to power that war machine using only solar power, wind farms, and girlboss gynomagick. Perhaps they think they are America and their plan is to just do what we would and print the money for all of this. That way everyone, including half the populations of Africa and the ME, can still get their welfare checks and free healthcare… Read more »

Usisdone
Usisdone
Reply to  Arshad Ali
17 days ago

An American calling other peoples runts; you don’t even control your own country.

You’re no different than some rotund sportsball fan cheering “his” victory because a franchise won a tourney.

Buy the merch,watch the game,cheer your team. Nobody cares.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Usisdone
17 days ago

“… you don’t even control your own country.”

This is true. We do not and I don’t think we have in my entire lifetime. The owners were smart enough to let us pretend until the Cold War ended and they didn’t need our service anymore. However, the list is very short, of European peoples (anywhere on Earth) who are not governed by a collaborator administrative class that is ultimately directed by transnational finance through fake democracy. We are all on the sinking ship, together.

usNthem
usNthem
17 days ago

Any peace deal is going to be fraught with all sorts of complications. The US and Euro war-mongering jackoffs, such as cue ball Kelly, are all yammering about Trump’s betrayal and stabbing poor Ukraine in the back, yada, yada, yada. Hey, as long as it’s not their fellow citizens getting ground up, let’s keep the party going – on our dollars of course. F all of them.

Tars Tarkas
Member
17 days ago

I don’t see how anyone can get behind this mineral deal, assuming it is even real, which is questionable(I’ve read all these minerials are in the Russian occupied areas). The American taxpayer hands out hundreds of billions of Dollars while some fake “American” (in name only) mining companies get all the benefits. It just underlines the corruption of “America” Meanwhile, it is near impossible to start a new mine in the US. Two new large lithium deposits have been found in the US over the last year or 2 (IIRC, one in New England and one down near Texas) which… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
17 days ago

Another huge lithium strike on the Idaho border, touted as one of the largest in the world, along with California’s Salton Sea (the desert side of Palm Springs.) Greens think “green” means pit mines the size of Ohio.

Edit: woops, can’t forget North Carolina either, can we?

Last edited 17 days ago by Alzaebo
Tars Tarkas
Member
Reply to  Alzaebo
17 days ago

The minerals could be laying on the ground in nice pure chunks and it would still not be financially viable to do that “mining” (picking stuff off the ground) in the US. I’m pretty sure the only mines in the US are long term ones which were already in operation when all the regulation got passed.

TomA
TomA
17 days ago

The only adults in the room when it comes to the conflict in Ukraine are the Russians. They would be wise to stay the course and finish the job, regardless of other actions by other players. Win the war, dictate the terms of peace, keep the parts that are historically Russian, and let Poland deal with the Nazis in Western Ukraine. When the smoke clears, Russia will engage in fair business deals with the US and Europe; but these won’t be exploitation deals, so the EU central banks are screwed.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  TomA
17 days ago

I think “let Poland deal with the Nazis in Western Ukraine” is an extremely viable solution. Basically, let Poland and Russia carve up the Ukraine’s sides, that way both get something for their trouble, and get the US out.
Polak nationalists are as scrappy as Gallicians, so I think they’d come to terms rather quickly.

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Anna
Anna
Reply to  TomA
17 days ago

If Ukrainians were smart, they would voluntarily join Russia, as historically was the case for over 300 years until 1991. But the low IQ combined with low self esteem does not let them proceed in the only right direction.
Since 1991 they lost 99% of their industries. According to their comments I follow they still do not understand how it happened. They had a thriving industrial country while the Jews and Russians were around.

RealityRules
RealityRules
17 days ago

Can’t have ultra-nationalists! Have to have a counterpart to the PM of Mexico, the President of Argentina, the mayor of Florence and own a revolving door at the head seat in Kiev and on and on and on and on. On the one hand it is strange that the side that is getting ground down and is heading toward a rout would insist on not pursuing peace. On the other, when the leader is not of the people getting crushed and nor are the leader’s benefactors, it isn’t surprising. When any of them can escape for any number of penthouses… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  RealityRules
17 days ago

About those penthouses, I had long wondered why Hitler overextended himself rather than solely fortifying the former Holy Roman Empire (Germany, Austro-Hungary, Czechia, some Baltic fiefs like Estonia.)

I hadn’t realized the role of the American industrialists and bankers. They basically prodded him on into overreach, promising backing, investment, and funding, just as Zelenkskyy was promised a Second Israel. The Austrian Napoleon sought to take on fallen Russia, with the same results. Instead of Paris, the Russians marched into Berlin.

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Bitter reactionary
Bitter reactionary
Reply to  Alzaebo
17 days ago

I think Suvarov’s assertion was correct – the USSR was planning invasion and was caught off guard in a position not suited to defense when Barbarosa kicked off. I have seen a speech by Mustache Man which, if honestly translated, states that very thing. If true, the choice was to be overwhelmed in the East immediately by already superior Soviet force, or roll the dice and take the initiative. As we know, whatever promises might have been made to whomever, the industrial might of the US went to supplying the communists. A vast river of trucks, planes, food, arms, etc… Read more »

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Bitter reactionary
17 days ago

Arguably, the wehrmacht could have waged a defensive war more successfully than they made a run at Moscow. But there wouldn’t have been any endgame to it. And eventually the west comes in the back door either way.

Marko
Marko
17 days ago

It is a weird war. So feminine and passive-aggressive. We basically were at war but JK not at war! with Russia. Like we were mean girls who pretended to be uninvolved with Rachel’s love life but were feeding destructive gossip to her BF and other girls behind that bitch’s back. F**k that bitch, Rachel is not as cute as I am!

mmack
mmack
Reply to  Marko
17 days ago

Rachel doesn’t have functioning nuclear weapons. 😉

Cal
Cal
17 days ago

The minerals deal is a trap.

The UK met with the dwarf dictator this weekend. Their plan seems to be to sell Trump on the minerals deal, as long as they provide protection for their ‘investment’, meaning US troops in Ukraine.

Of course a fake “Russian” attack on those troops will soon follow, trying to force the US into the war.

Trump should first demand that Zelensky is removed, then Putin and Trump can agree on the terms of Ukrainian surrender and present it to the new puppet installed by the UK to sign.

Captain Willard
Captain Willard
Reply to  Cal
17 days ago

Yeah, it’s a fig leaf for the peace deal. The US will have to spend more money to enforce the peace. Trump will want to show how we are getting a good mineral deal in return. Meanwhile, some company will actually have to invest real dollars in exploiting all these “mineral rights”. Good luck finding someone to do this, given the business, technical risks and the legendary crookery of Ukraine. It’s all BS. Remember all the mineral wealth of Afghanistan?

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Captain Willard
17 days ago

Remember all the mineral wealth of Afghanistan?” Good call. We have more rare earths in our (shuttered) coal mines and mine tailings, the supposed rare earths of Ukraine are a fiction. They don’t really have any.

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  Alzaebo
17 days ago

Rare earth minerals are not rare. They’re everywhere that people look for them. The problem is that they are nasty and dirty to dig out the ground, which is why we in the USA don’t dig it out of our ground and outsourced it to other countries. This is somehow better for Mother Gaia.

Waging endless war against a nuclear power on the other side of the earth for a bunch of rocks that are all over the American West is a really bad idea…

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Pozymandias
Reply to  Mycale
17 days ago

There are lots of things that work this way in Clown-Cuckoo-Land. We cleaned up our air… by moving the pollution to China. We were able to dine “safely” during the Coof as long as we wore our masks until they seated us and served the food. We are also going to produce electric cars that charge themselves as long as the companies that make them can get a “carbon neutral” certification. It turns out that Mother Nature is not some rigorous hard-ass who rigidly follows scientific laws. Instead she’s a lawyer with a law degree from Saul Goodman’s law school.… Read more »

Mycale
Mycale
Reply to  Cal
17 days ago

The fact that all the wrong people want Trump to sign the minerals deal tells me everything I need to know. The fact is, from their POV, the idea of the minerals deal is genius – Trump gets to talk about how he made a deal, he gets to talk about all the money it is going to bring in, and they (correctly) understand that it lowers the likelihood of an end to the conflict and it also ties us closer to the fortunes of the Kiev regime. There’s no way around this, for this war to end, Trump needs… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Mycale
17 days ago

Well said!

Andy Texan
Reply to  Mycale
17 days ago

The ‘minerals deal’ is the classic Trojan Horse. Run away. Support Russian demands and end the damn war.

Lavrov
Lavrov
17 days ago

What is the deal with Derbyshire? Why does he keep claiming that Russia is the most corrupt country on earth? Napolitano and Larry Johnson seem to be full of praise for Russia. They just met lavrov.

Lavrov
Lavrov
Reply to  Lavrov
17 days ago
Marko
Marko
Reply to  Lavrov
17 days ago

He says it’s one of the two most corrupt WHITE countries on earth. I think Moldova is more corrupt than either of them, so maybe he should say the two most corrupt significant white countries on earth.

lavrov
lavrov
Reply to  Marko
17 days ago

How does he say that after watching the Biden-Obama gang rule over the last 15 years?

RealityRules
RealityRules
Reply to  lavrov
17 days ago

Because that ruling faction isn’t White nor does it want any Whites to remain in that country.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  RealityRules
17 days ago

Correct. AINO is an African country and its levels of corruption, inevitably enough, resemble that of Mozambique.

Mike
Mike
Reply to  lavrov
17 days ago

There really isn’t a white country left anymore that isn’t corrupt, all the EU, the US, Canada, the 2 down-under countries all are massively corrupt now. Look at the profiteering of all these countries in the Ukraine, the corrupt judiciaries in all of them and especially the soulless corrupt MIC corps.

Marko
Marko
Reply to  lavrov
17 days ago

We are NOT Moldova. Nor Russia for that matter. Hell, we’re better than the UK.

If you think the USA is a corrupt shithole, then brother you have never visited a corrupt shithole country. I would much rather live here. Assuming I didn’t have to live in South Chicago.

But as bad as mayor Johnson and governor Pritzker is, Chicago, Illinois is holistically better than most other places in the world. It attracts capital and tourism and college students and corrupt shitholes do not.

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Marko
17 days ago

The white caveat makes it sound clever, like a trick question’s been craftily answered. And it’s a thing “the left” don’t say. (The powerful don’t resort to wit). Anglo conservatives, especially American ones, are suckers for anything like that. “Israel is an outpost of the West in the Middle East,” etc. (Nerds love un-catchy slogans.)

You’d think the slight cracking open of the USAID books would cause an ad hoc revision in world corruption rankings, since apparently America funds all the world’s lies (and anal sex). But noticing that isn’t clever. Any moron can do it.

Anna
Anna
Reply to  Lavrov
17 days ago

Russia is corrupt, but not as corrupt as Ukraine. Ukraine famous and popular proverb is: “My dear mother Ukraine, I won’t have if I don’t steal”. It rhymes in Ukrainian.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Anna
17 days ago

Something along these lines?

Moi dorogoi Ukrainskaia mat’/
Ya ne imet esli ya ne vorovat’!

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
17 days ago

Correction:

Moia dorogaia Ukrainskaia mat’/
Ia ne imet esli ia ne vorovat’!

Anna
Anna
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
17 days ago

Ukraina, ridna mati, ne vkradesh-ne budesh mati. (in Ukrainian)

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Anna
16 days ago

It works in Russian, too.

Pozymandias
Reply to  Anna
16 days ago

Haha, you’re right. украсть = steal or scrounge (well I did it in Russian). Imagine living in a place that was literally named essentially “nation of thieves”.

Filthie
Filthie
Member
17 days ago

The lesson that God, Darwin and Murphy are trying to tell you, America – is that if you let women, and their male clowns have a say in military affairs – you will lose, regardless of how good your military is. Every single war America has fought in the last half century has been lost at home. The losses have been getting worse and worse as their power grows too. Viet Nam was bad – but a rousing victory compared to Afghanistan and the Kraine. In this latest clown show, over one million Ukes are dead. There is nothing to… Read more »

Wiffle
Wiffle
Reply to  Filthie
17 days ago

I agree. However, it isn’t happening until at least another generation or two. The biggest champion of the Girlboss model belongs to that very male dominated generation of the Boomers. (yes, seriously, you can tell by what all the old women look like). We need another male oriented generation that’s a little more serious.

Pozymandias
Reply to  Wiffle
16 days ago

Boomers are a good example of why “social reform” is almost always bad. There’s a time delay, even for the most insane reforms, before they take full effect. Boomers amused themselves and patted themselves on the back because they could flirt with “women’s lib” while still living in a world built and run by men. Full blown Gyno-Communism took until really right now to take full effect.

Pozymandias
Reply to  Filthie
16 days ago

Anecdote: a couple years ago I was reading the blog of a Russian transhumanist (can’t recall his name but he’s fairly well known). His readers, in spite of being transhumanists were pretty based and were giving him a hard time because he still had women voting in his TH utopia. His weak retort was basically that, in Russia at least, the women consistently vote for Putin’s party across the board. He thinks the reason for this is that Putin represents “stability and security” while his opponents clearly represent the globalism that nearly destroyed Russia before Putin took over. I think… Read more »

Vizzini
Member
17 days ago

 It may also be easier for a woman to sell peace to the public.

“Yes, Ukrainians, you, too, can be like the ball-less, feminized West!” The faggy, transvestite comedian wasn’t reliable enough.

Zulu Juliet
Zulu Juliet
17 days ago

“It will be another reminder that this part of the world produces nothing but misery for everyone around it.” There it is. The U.S. should have stayed as far away from this sh**-show as possible, and let the Euros deal with what is going on in their own back yard. Now the U.S. is getting smeared and stuck by this tar baby and even Trump is going to find it hard to extract the US without terrible optics. Ukrainian collapse will be ugly, and what if the Russians decide to push their advantage and gobble up more land that seems… Read more »

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Vizzini
Member
17 days ago

agree to sign over the country’s natural resources as compensation for the hundreds of billions in aid…

I’m going to have to laugh when people realize that Ukraine ends up getting more screwed by the Jews in US government and finance than by the Russians.

Wiffle
Wiffle
Reply to  Vizzini
17 days ago

Those natural resources belong to the Ukraine. Did we offer aid (as a gift) or simply put them in debt forever?

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Wiffle
17 days ago

Seriously? Have you never heard of the IMF? The World Bank?

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
17 days ago

My impression (from social media) is the the Euros either think Ukraine is winning or will win if they are just given more aid. With that in mind, Trump’s decision to pressure Ukraine to make peace seems like a cowardly betrayal to them rather than a piece of 𝘙𝘦𝘢𝘭𝘱𝘰𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘬. I assume that this belief is fostered by their version of our MSM, which also shares this delusion.

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Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Dutchboy
17 days ago

Furthermore, I assume that the Euro rulers know Ukraine is being crushed all too well but choose to pretend otherwise for political purposes. It’s the sort of thing that gives cynicism a bad name.

Tars Tarkas
Member
17 days ago

What exactly is an “ultranationalist?” Honestly, “ultranationalist” just sounds like Nazi or racist or something, just a slur. Do they support joining the EU or are they slurred because they don’t want to join the EU?

Hemid
Hemid
Reply to  Tars Tarkas
17 days ago

The slurring power of the usual terms is so worn out that they had to add some hype: ultra-nationalism, ultra-orthodox, even ultra-MAGA. (The president actually said this stupid thing, lest we forget.) Officially, all these threats are not just threats but ever-increasing threats. But what more is there to say? The last round of rhetorical escalation exhausted the word “extreme.” What’s more extreme than extreme, more radical than radical? Is there no ’90s BMX slang left to explain the world?! There is another… Always sad when our guys adopt these goofy terms. We don’t need any of them, because we… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Hemid
17 days ago

How ’bout ultra-gnarly?

“Putin is, like, an ultra-gnarly hyper-tyrant, dude.”

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Pozymandias
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
16 days ago

I like to add “ultra-mega-hyper” to things. I stole it from Aqua Teen Hunger Force with their giant Ultra-mega-hyper-chicken.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
17 days ago

I have no clue how this war can end. Russia needs what remains of Ukraine to be a neutral, demilitarized country, but Russia can’t trust the West or Ukraine to stick to that deal. Thus, to enforce that situation, Russia would need to control Ukraine, which it doesn’t want to do for good reasons.

No obvious solution.

Lavrov
Lavrov
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
17 days ago

It will end with a dramatic fall of EU. Maybe the Romanian election will be the catalyst.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Lavrov
17 days ago

Oh gosh I hope so, Lavrov, I hope so, I hope so. Creating a Soviet west of the Urals not only means our peoples will be living in an impoverished, polluted totalitarian wreck, they will have sexually depraved Muslims as their kommisars.

Anna
Anna
Reply to  Lavrov
17 days ago

Hopefully Romanians still remember how to overthrow a dictatorship. They did it with Chaushesku not so long ago.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Anna
17 days ago

I haven’t been keeping tabs, but I’m guessing that since that time, politicians giving public speeches in Romania has been less of a thing

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
17 days ago

Like with the demographics, or debt, or drug trade/war, the short-sighted “visionaries” keep creating enormous messes that can’t be solved.

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Pozymandias
Reply to  Alzaebo
16 days ago

I suspect many of them aren’t so short-sighted after all and know exactly what to expect. They just don’t care because they get their payday before the disaster arrives.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
17 days ago

No obvious solution

But there is, and it’s probably where this is all headed. In English, it rhymes with “wetwork.”

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
17 days ago

Whatever Trump does, even if he deploys the entire GAE military to Ukraine and orders a bayonet charge, he will still be slandered as a Russian asset and an enemy of “democracy.” So one wonders why he would try to make a deal that appeases anyone anywhere in Europe, who will give him no credit whatsoever. This war was provoked by the GAE, and waged for 3 years with little to no regard to the cost to the Ukrainian people, so its present claims to want “peace,” and to care about the Ukrainian people are risible. It just wants to… Read more »

mmack
mmack
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
17 days ago

It just wants to be rid of the tar baby it can no longer handle, and for some inexplicable reason seems to care about the optics.

Standard Leftist playbook: They had to keep the grift going when it was their boy (Biden) or boys and girls in charge. Now that they’re out it’s “Well that was in the past, and why keep bringing up the past?”

Captain Obvious
Captain Obvious
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
17 days ago

Fertile farmland, strategic location and mineral wealth seem like the obvious ones.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Captain Obvious
17 days ago

Three things we kind of have here in the US? If it was me, I’d take Canada and Greenland, the supply line logistics make a lot more sense.

Dutchboy
Dutchboy
Reply to  Alzaebo
17 days ago

Greenland yes, Canada no. It’s full of people who think Justin Trudeau is spiffy.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Dutchboy
17 days ago

There’s gotta be some timeline/scenario in which we annex Alberta/Saskatchewan/Manitoba and leave the rest

Templar
Templar
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
17 days ago

As an Albertan, I’d happily secede to the U.S. just for the gigantic “FUCK YOU” it would represent to those smug, self-righteous bastards in Ontario and Quebec.

Steve
Steve
Reply to  Dutchboy
17 days ago

So? Surely there aren’t many here who think the answer is going to come from some fancy footwork of democracy. The power shuts off at -40, and many of Canada’s problems resolve themselves.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Captain Obvious
17 days ago

Strategic location? I’ve never seen any place on the planet that wasn’t declared “strategically important” by those seeking to prosecute war over it.

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
17 days ago

” . . . why he would try to make a deal that appeases anyone anywhere in Europe . . . .”

Trump seems to have an emotional need to be liked. Just a guess; I don’t know the guy.

Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
17 days ago

Echoes of Republicans prostrating themselves before the NYT

BigJimSportCamper
BigJimSportCamper
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
17 days ago

And throwing elbows at each other to get onto the Sunday morning programs to throw their mates under the bus.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jeffrey Zoar
17 days ago

By historical and even genetic standards, the Ukraine arguably isn’t even a nation at all. Rather, it is a mere geographical designation like the Great Plains or the Pacific Northwest.

Vizzini
Member
17 days ago

What can Trump possibly offer Putin that Putin won’t get anyway if he maintains current course? When you can answer that, you have the beginning of a peace offer.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Vizzini
17 days ago

All I know is that I hope Russia holds out until they get Odessa. They owe it to themselves to stick it to the neocons that way. But if I remember correctly, Odessa is very Jewish. Russia may not want it. I don’t know.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  TempoNick
17 days ago

Forcibly repatriate them all to Israel, problem solved. The Israelis might even go along with it without fuss for the demographic injection. Schumer and Raskin will squeal, but they squeal so much every day their protests will be lost in the noise.

Yman
Yman
17 days ago

The damage is already done
The goal was undermine Russia, killing Russian and Ukrainian as many as possible, turn Ukraine Women into whore

Mission accomplished

It surprises that Ukraine people are dumb enough to buy the Jewish lie that makes them rich
No one interested in making white people a richer, especially if you are Jewish guy might be doing opposite

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Yman
17 days ago

If you’re a jewish pimp, Ukrainian women are worth going to war over
(and children too, especially)

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Jeffrey Zoar
Jeffrey Zoar
Reply to  Alzaebo
17 days ago

It’s been near 20 years since I’ve set foot in the Kraine, but one thing that wasn’t in short supply was good looking blondes (and brunettes too)

Presbyter
Presbyter
18 days ago

Yes, Yulia with that distinctive long braid. They tossed her in jail for awhile too I believe.

Tarl Cabot
Tarl Cabot
Reply to  Presbyter
17 days ago

Deservedly so.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Presbyter
17 days ago

With a nickname like The Gas Princess, I’d be surprised if she wasn’t once a member of the band, Anal Riot…

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
17 days ago

CTH: Romania Has Barred Leading Candidate Calin Georgescu from Postponed Presidential Election

Well, spit. If they can’t get a Yulia Tymoshenko in Ukraine, it looks like they’re aiming to get a puppet into Romania, all to have a stake on the Black Sea (and still a direct line to NATO Turkey, in preparation for the Turko-Israeli war on Iran.)

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Sid Porter
Sid Porter
17 days ago

The question of the neo Nazis still remains. Putin has stated on many occasions they must be erased from the scene. Any deal that does not address this is likely to fall by the wayside.

mmack
mmack
17 days ago

She is the leader of the Batkivshchyna (Fatherland) political party and strongly anti-Russian You know what other European leader led a Fatherland and was strongly Anti-Russian? Finding a replacement is not a great challenge. The issue is finding a new leader who can sign a peace deal without the country collapsing into turmoil. I would argue finding a replacement for Little Piano Man IS a great challenge. Ukraine sounds (from the outside looking in, based on what I’ve read) like they looked at corruption in say Chicago and said “We can ramp that up to 11 or 12 druk!” It… Read more »

The Infant Phenomenon
The Infant Phenomenon
Reply to  mmack
17 days ago

Trump ad Co. need to get out NOW. Get out CLEAN. Just GET OUT!

Damn and blast the minerals deal! Just GET OUT! YESTERDAY! This is NOT a game. The danger is beyond beyond. NOTHING is worth rolling the dice again. NOTHING.

Leave the Old World to their own devices. As Ron Paul used to put it: “You just marched in, so you can just march OUT.”

This is DANGEROUS stuff!

Wiffle
Wiffle
Reply to  The Infant Phenomenon
17 days ago

But money. What about money? (Channeling my inner banker/government official here)

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Wiffle
17 days ago

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Hokkoda
Member
17 days ago

Putin wants a trade deal with the US, I think. Trump wants lower energy prices and to put a wedge between the Bear and the Tiger. I think both of them want to pull back from the WW3 fever that the Europeans and the US MIC have caught. Apparently, Zelensky has now offered the apology that Trump demanded. This further weakens his hand after staring unequivocally that no such apology would be made. That hurts him at home, to the extent he even has political support at home. The rundown of the various factions was very helpful in the column.… Read more »

TempoNick
TempoNick
17 days ago

Cut off the predominantly Catholic regions and give it the name “West Ukraine.” Two things going on with that Catholic element. First of all, they don’t like anybody. They didn’t like being under the Polacks anymore than they like being under the Russians. Second of all, because they are under the Pope, they are easily manipulated by the west. That’s what I believe anyway. People mocked the Russian Orthodox Church because so many in the hierarchy were KGB. Do you think the Ukrainian Catholic Church is any cleaner? They probably had moles for both sides. They were always considered unreliable… Read more »

Wiffle
Wiffle
Reply to  TempoNick
17 days ago

Have you ever met a Catholic? I mean in real life? I know of enough your commentary about Americans that you’re more than welcome to go back.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Wiffle
17 days ago

Yes, I am Godfather to a Ukrainian Catholic girl. The pedo priest waved me through. -Hitler = Roman Catholic; -Nazis = Roman Catholic; -Ustache (killed a million serbs in WWII) = Roman Catholic and not only Roman Catholic, but literally founded by a Roman Catholic priest -Ukrainian turmoil = both Nazi and Catholic influence Ukrainian Catholics are a lot like USAID. Get rid of them, and the temperature level goes way down. There’s more, but for the sake of brevity that’s all for now. Western intelligence causes turmoil using their assets in the western church, whose tentacles are all over… Read more »

Templar
Templar
Reply to  TempoNick
17 days ago

-Hitler = Roman Catholic; -Nazis = Roman Catholic

Can I get some of whatever it is that you’re smoking? 😂

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Templar
16 days ago

Hitler was born to a practicing Catholic mother, Klara Hitler, and was baptized in the Roman Catholic Church. In 1904, he was confirmed at the Roman Catholic Cathedral in Linz, Austria, where the family lived.

Wiffle
Wiffle
Reply to  TempoNick
17 days ago

Can you stop rewriting world history like a Jew? It’s not too much to ask. The marrano exuded by you is intense.

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TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Wiffle
16 days ago

Physician, heal thyself.

Hitler was born to a practicing Catholic mother, Klara Hitler, and was baptized in the Roman Catholic Church. In 1904, he was confirmed at the Roman Catholic Cathedral in Linz, Austria, where the family lived.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Wiffle
17 days ago

You must be so proud of your American culture. Your family trees look like black family trees anymore. Pretty soon, you’ll be calling each other “brother,” just like the blacks because of your family trees. Obese, tattooed, baby mamas, drugs, rampant infidelity, pooping out halfrican kids, Jew worship. I’m sure the entire world looks up to America and wants to be just like us. 😂😂😂😂

Wiffle
Wiffle
Reply to  TempoNick
17 days ago

Home is just a plane flight away. There is no “we” here kimosabe.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Wiffle
16 days ago

Strikes a nerve doesn’t it? That’s because what I write is true. You know what they say about Russia being a big gas station with nuclear bombs? The USA has become a big trailer park and shantytown with nuclear bombs.

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Anna
Anna
Reply to  TempoNick
17 days ago

There is a Catholic church (kostyol) in every Ukrainian town, as Ukraine was ruled by Poland for hundreds of years. And yes, Catholic Church in Ukraine did not cooperate with Communists as much as Orthodox did. I remember growing up in a small Ukrainian town that the priest was always in trouble with KGB: arrested, detained and such.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Anna
17 days ago

The thing is, those Catholics were traditionally Orthodox. The Polacks tried to convert them into Roman Catholics. They rebelled and got to keep the outward trappings of Orthodoxy, but still fell under the Pope. But this little move created much of the turmoil over there. It created a group that was an “other.” They neither like or identify with the Polacks, nor with the Orthodox.

ZFan
ZFan
Reply to  TempoNick
17 days ago

TempoNick is right on target here. Historically, the peeling away of Orthodox into Eastern Rite or “Uniate” jurisdictions has been a way for the West to encroach on Eastern territory both in Europe and the Middle East. (I have family connection to both Melkites, the Catholic version of Antiochian Orthodox in Syria, Lebanon, Palestine and diaspora and the smallest of those jurisdictions, the Russian Greek Catholic Church which after the Revolution exists only in vestigial parishes in the West.) In my experience and what I observe abroad, these folks identify as “Catholic” to the point of adopting all sorts of… Read more »

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  ZFan
17 days ago

I also recall Slick Clinton railing against Russia declaring Orthodoxy to be Russia’s national religion. He said it was discriminatory and anti-pluralistic or some such tommyrot. (He obviously wanted Western religions to have a free hand to proselytize within Russia’s borders, and it wasn’t because Clinton feared for the immortal souls of Russians.) The US may even have levied sanctions against Russia; not sure, though; that was about 27 years ago. The points being, the US adopted an antagonistic and destructive pose toward Russia long before the Ukraine proxy war, and that America’s soft war against Russia was prosecuted along… Read more »

Wiffle
Wiffle
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
17 days ago

Russian Orthodoxy will indeed pull together Russians in way that the American evangelicals threatened to pull them apart. We tolerate the JW and any number of obviously semi-destructive cults that send out salesmen.
What I remember of the law is that it pretty much got rid of the street style, megachurch evangelization. The Catholics (there are small number) in Russia were exempt.
Interestingly, Israel allows for both Orthodoxy and Catholicism. They are still 2nd class citizens, but they are allowed to conduct marriages, etc.

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TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  ZFan
17 days ago

The one thing to always remember about this is that this has nothing to do with religion. Theologically, Orthodox and Catholic are virtually the same. In fact, I heard one Serbian priest once say that the only reason we don’t call ourselves Catholic is because the Catholics took the name first. (Catholic comes from a Greek word meaning universal, as in the universal faith.) The Orthodox/Catholic thing is a turf war and nothing more. The Roman Catholic Church serves as or allows itself to be used a proxy for Western interests. They attack the church because it’s a way to… Read more »

ZFan
ZFan
Reply to  TempoNick
17 days ago

Agreed on all points

Wiffle
Wiffle
Reply to  ZFan
17 days ago

You can agree, but Mr. I hate America and Catholics but I’m supposedly a Catholic and American is incorrect on several simple facts.

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TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Wiffle
16 days ago

Certain elements of the baby raping, pedo priest Roman Catholic Church have engaged an pogram against Orthodox churches and they’re faithful for hundreds of years. In fact, we fell to 500 years of Muslim rule because of that pogram. The Roman Catholic Church is the house of the devil.

Wiffle
Wiffle
Reply to  TempoNick
17 days ago

No Orthodox and Catholics are not virtually the same, including on divorce.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Wiffle
16 days ago

You just outed yourself has not having a fvcking clue. Theologically the same. The only “major” thing separating the two are the filioque, which was added by the baby raping homo pedo latins, and a majority of theologians don’t think that is such a big deal.

http://christianityinview.com/comparison.html

Caroline
Caroline
Reply to  TempoNick
11 days ago

Catholic does not mean universal. It is from the Greek kata holis, meaning down whole, that is to say both the old and new testaments. Jesus came only unto the lost sheep of the House of Israel, not all races.

Brandon Laskow
Brandon Laskow
Reply to  Anna
17 days ago

Samuel Huntington devoted a whole chapter in The Clash of Civilizations between the Catholic West and Orthodox East in Ukraine way back in the 90’s. So when that fault line began to crack by 2014 I wasn’t surprised.

Wiffle
Wiffle
Reply to  Anna
17 days ago

Yes, because Catholics have a greater loyalty to just the state. It is the Orthodox who come to serve state governments of all kinds. That’s what’s hilarious about the analysis that comes after this comment. The Orthodox could theoretically be quite loyal to a state government in a way that Catholic might need to rebel.

TempoNick
TempoNick
Reply to  Wiffle
16 days ago

What you don’t understand is that Christianity was “operated” by the five sees. In order of preeminence, Rome, Constantinople, Alexandria, Antioch and Jerusalem. The Orthodox view was that Rome was just another Bishop, an equal to the rest. The Catholic view was that Rome was superior to the rest and Rome tried to take over their domains. That is the schism in a nutshell. It’s not some intellectual circle jerk over religious dogma. It’s pure political turf war. But that’s neither here nor there. The Roman Church is a laughing stock. A fraternity of homosexual priests preaching against homosexuality and… Read more »

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