The Haunting

A couple of years ago, John Derbyshire, in one of his podcasts, talked about the sexual aspect of what ails the West. He referenced this comment to Steve Sailer, in one of Sailer’s blog posts. No doubt others have noted that women in the West seem to be the driving force behind things like immigration. The angle is always that the women are ascendant, because the men have grown soft. As Derb talked about in that podcast, the girls are inviting in the swarthy foreigners, because they are dissatisfied with their men.

That is appealing to men, especially older men, as older men are always sure that the younger generation is soft. When I was a boy, my grandfather would say, “In my day it was iron men and wooden ships. Now, it is iron ships and wooden men.” I’m an old man, but not so old that my grandfather lived in the age of sail. It was just his way of saying that his generation was tough, while the younger generation was soft. The thing is though, this assumes that only men have changed, while women are just responding to this change.

Maybe a better way of thinking about the sexual aspect of our cultural crisis is that both men and women are haunted by different specters. For instance, our women are growing increasingly deranged, not because men are wimps, but because the traditional sex roles no longer exist. This leaves them as free radicals, with the wacky fads out of feminism and gender studies, orbiting them like unpaired electrons. Put a different way, women are like bees without a hive. Without the normal social stimulants, they become erratic.

Here’s a good example. This women is not satisfied being an angry lesbian. She has been a public nuisance for a long time, ranting and raving about homosexual causes. Self-identified lesbians are 1.3% of the population, according to the CDC. That’s a small club, but not select enough, so she is now claiming her son is transgender, which is not even a real thing. Like so many of our women, this woman is in a race to the most bizarre and deranged position imaginable. It’s the need for attention, applied to inappropriate things.

The male side of this coin features a nostalgia for a lost future. It is a form of romanticism, where men imagine a past that led to a different present. All of those decisions by prior generations, have led to a present where there is no point to being man, because there is no role for being a man. The only place where men are needed is the military, but even there, the multicultural nags are working to ruin things. It’s not a longing for the past, but a longing for a different past that resulted in a more fulfilling and meaningful present.

If you look at the various sub-groups within the Dissident Right, they are almost exclusively male. The alt-right certainly has a strong romantic streak. Their embrace of the fascist aesthetic was always based on an imaginary version of history. The PUA guys go the other way, embracing a cynical and callous view of women as nothing more than a game to be won. It is an absurd version of the alpha male. Even guys into alt-lite stuff like Patriot Prayer or the Proud Boys are trying to create a space for men to be men.

The result of all this is men and women are rocketing off in different directions, seeking something that fills the void left by traditional sex roles. The trouble is, the current culture views traditional sex roles as toxic. That not only directs the search for biological fulfillment toward the wrong answers, it makes the right answer the polar opposite of what is acceptable. The result of this is blue-haired feminists screaming into the teeth of reality and the cartoonish primal scream of the Bronze Age Mindset.

It’s why polling on so many issues divide sharply between males and females, married people and single people. That last part is probably the most important, as people living the traditional married life may as well be in a different country from the single. The former have a point, while the latter are searching for one. The former see politics and the state as a necessary burden, while the latter view it as the hunting ground for personal fulfillment. It’s why Antifa is run by girls and the alt-right is run by boys.

Of course, the specter driving all of this was created in the bygone era, the one where the West still had its traditional social arrangements. The increasing animosity toward baby boomers, by younger people, has a lot to do with the fact that the young blame their parents and grandparents for screwing up the system. This is certainly true in America, where the boomers inherited a world of order and then set about destroying it, replacing it with a world of disorder and irrationality, without ever explaining why they did it.

That really is the specter haunting all of us, regardless of our age and circumstances. It all seems so unnecessary and pointless. What was so monstrous in the 50’s and 60’s that it spawned a generation hell bent on self-abnegation? That’s the specter that haunts our age. It’s as if the point of the cultural revolution was to create a society of people infected with the existential attitude. The result of the revolt was a people gripped by a sense of disorientation, confusion and dread in the face of an absurd and meaningless world.

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Dirtnapninja
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Dirtnapninja

Cynthia Nixon is trying raise her position in the leftwing caste system. By declaring her son is transgender, she demonstrates to the Priesthood that her Karma is superior to normal white lesbians, and thus she really belongs to a higher caste.

pyrrhus
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pyrrhus

Yes, she is trying to get attention (all leftist women are attention whores) and a temporary rise in status, at the minor expense of wrecking her child’s life…Just collateral damage

calsdad
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calsdad

Judging by what the kid looks like – that life is already wrecked.

Zeroth Tollrants
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Zeroth Tollrants

From what I understand, white lesbians seem to be getting kicked down the ladder on the Progressive Stack of Victimhood, the same way they did with the white male homos.
The old school rug munchers and the new, tranny “women,” AKA, BETTER WOMEN, seem to have broken their Sisterhood of the Traveling Rants deep,deep bonds.
I guess at that point you’re stuck & the only way you can LEVEL UP and work your way back up the Stack, is to mutilate your son’s genitals, put him on hormone blockers, & to start the ol’ suicide countdown clock.

Mr Edward Thtalkequine
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Mr Edward Thtalkequine

“What was so monstrous in the 50’s and 60’s that it spawned a generation hell bent on self-abnegation?” Yes – I’ve thought what in the world even set the stage for what we’re seeing today? What societal virus was introduced? I’ve asked for years, why did all the self proclaimed “peace-and-love” folks grow up and then want to join the gestapo?

Bruno the Arrogant
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Bruno the Arrogant

Mostly I think it was boredom, coupled with mediocrity. By the 1960s, most of the frontiers on earth had been conquered, new ones such as the space race were reserved for a small cognitive elite.

So what was left for your typical suburban mediocrity? Not much. All they had were complaints of how the people who built the world built it wrong, and unfairly, and go about trying to prop up their self-esteem by criticizing and undermining the work of their predecessors. Having no new worlds in reach to conquer, they set about reconquering the old ones.

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton

Your take on boredom is often cited as the reason for the rise of the feminists. Women’s lives had grown so much easier, what with all manner of labor-saving devices, etc., that women had time to become bored. Seems a reasonable theory.

Member

The bored mid-century women idea is verboten on the D-Right. Goes against their happy myth that women were thrilled to hang with screaming kids all day.

De Beers Diamonds
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De Beers Diamonds

I’ve seen too many spinsters regret not having kids, and there is empirical data showing declining female happiness over the last 50 years. I will also proffer that on certain measures women should be outright ignored wrt their temporary feelings.

Dirtnapninja
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Dirtnapninja

Women werent thrilled. But woman had a support network of family and community to help. I remember when I was kid, and my father would be gone for months at a time while he was in the military. There was a whole network of wives who all helped each other out and shared the burden. The kids got looked after, and mom got to socialise.

Our atomised culture doesnt have that. Our families are small and distant, and our neighbours are strangers.

A.B. Prosper
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A.B. Prosper

Ah true but the administrative state hates anything larger than the nuclear family.

Extended families and private support networks lower dependence and weaken the state

This isn’t new, the Catholic Church back in Medieval times preferred the nuclear family to strengthen it and Feudalism but everyone lived in one place for life and needed each other and so while they were able to weaken clannishness , it was replaced by localism .

Mr Edward Thtalkequine
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Mr Edward Thtalkequine

Bruno the Arrogant – Yes. While working on a degree I rented an apartment from a far-Left english professor who frequently attended Leftist parties. Upon returning she had comments like, “Well… you know… I heard all the most WONDERFUL art museums are on the COMMUNIST side of the Berlin Wall!” It’s fashionable and “edgy” for Leftists to disrespect the freedom they’re living in as if they’re an “intellectual vanguard”.

Andy Texan
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Boredom and wealth. Faith in the wrong things. Immanetizing the eschaton.

mr. incredible
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mr. incredible

I think it is all a lot more simple than people make it out to be. Good vs. Evil. In previous generations God was God. Now man is god. The road to ruin.

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James LePore

Solzhenitsyn would have agreed with you (as do I): “All attempts to find a way out of the plight of today’s world are fruitless unless we redirect our consciousness, in repentance, to the Creator of all: without this, no exit will be illumined, and we shall seek it in vain.” “Over a half century ago, while I was still a child, I recall hearing a number of old people offer the following explanation for the great disasters that had befallen Russia: “Men have forgotten God; that’s why all this has happened.” Since then I have spent well-nigh 50 years working… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Not lost. Not your god. Replaced. Good King Jesus was replaced by terrible old El, god of Abraham the Lucifer, and his children, per the irrevocable Covenant. (The one a Jewish spy for the secret police told you had been revoked, as he preached propaganda written by his Roman clerks, spreading the word in all languages (“toungues”)- seeking the hidden Apostles that they might be found and executed. Your God above the local gods uses all tools, even the most flawed. The local gods seek to wrest those tools from the Creator’s hands.) The Reign of the Lucifer’s children began… Read more »

Red Forman
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Red Forman

Mr. Incredible for the win. The Dright is asking all the right questions, and turning away the simplest answers.

A.B. Prosper
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A.B. Prosper

The 30 Years War was fought for God mostly and was entirely faithful White Christian fighting White Christian. In places it killed at the Black Death level and an argument can be made we still are suffering from the effects. Organized religion is just cheap social capital and not far from what Marx wrote Religious suffering is, at one and the same time, the expression of real suffering and a protest against real suffering. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the… Read more »

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

You’re invoking ethics to avoid the ugly reality, which is the racial aggression of non-whites against whites, not good versus evil, excuse me, “Good vs. Evil.” Everyone can prove that God is on their side.

De Beers Diamonds
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De Beers Diamonds

I think a lot of it was undiagnosed mental trauma relating from WW2 that was largely self-medicated with alcohol. There was also the omnipresent threat of nuclear annihilation, amped up by “duck and cover” drills. Western society allowed this individualist Poz reaction, while it was harshly stamped down upon in the USSR (note the abortion data). Some of it was also the birth control pill allowing women to follow the animal programming.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

The car. Car culture, as the highways were built. All this spontaneous mobility to move, unlike the orderly small rail network between towns.

Dutch
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Dutch

It is not boredom. It is a social construct that gives status to certain things, and takes status from others. The urban/suburban leftists have been rewarded with social status, so untethered people seek it by going that way.

Wilson McWilliams
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Wilson McWilliams

To borrow from Kenneth Clark, the most concise reason for the fall of the West: advertising.

It’s damn close to the truth.

William Tryon
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William Tryon

Read “The Fourth Turning” to see, not what, but why the social order established after the crisis of WW2 was turned against.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

A Cliff note, a small summary, perhaps?

Roger D
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Roger D

There were many influences. Never underestimate the impact of the birth control pill.

Whiskey
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The threat of human extinction through global nuclear war. This Western Civilization had to end. To save the planet

That is the ghost haunting the West.

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand
Glenfilthie
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Glenfilthie

Being raised in a prog family is in a way, no different from being raised in a traditional one. As a kid you are taught to think and speak a different way. You accept things because that is all you ever knew, and that is the way things were. For me, I accepted the matriarchy setting up in our families because if I didn’t I was punished. I got punished a lot. The thing is that as I grew older the punishment and conditioning didn’t stop. It grew worse. And worse. A decade ago the old shitlib women in my… Read more »

Mr Edward Thtalkequine
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Mr Edward Thtalkequine

I grew up in the mountains hearing my grandmother tell stories she had heard as a child about our family hiding in the fields as the Union Army burned houses… I never had a problem understanding the gubment ain’t your friend.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Beautiful, and what a great closing line!

Anonymous Reactionary
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“What was so monstrous in the 50’s and 60’s that it spawned a generation hell bent on self-abnegation?” Why, these were the decades the Massachusetts elites imposed Horace Mann’s educational reforms on the country. We’ve been going through genetic degradation ever since, as Prussian style schools are used as spawning pools by the underclass. Within a century they’ll literally use artificial wombs, genetic mutants, cyborg slaves, all the Brave New World techniques. Already, the ship of the line and firing line and assembly line are obsolete, but they haven’t figured out what to do with the drone factories that used… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Oh yes. The social progress schools also produced lawyers in abundance. Soap opera on a public stage, with Daddy Gov muscle as her own personal bulldog.

Observer
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Observer

Q: “What was so monstrous in the 50’s and 60’s that it spawned a generation hell bent on self-abnegation?“
A: White Christian Normal Men were in charge, instead of Jews.
So the media & educational system that did have Jews in charge taught the Americans that traditional values were stupid, evil & low-status. And that anti-traditional values were smart, moral & high-status.

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It wasn’t Boomers ramming through the 1965 Immigration act nor removing decency standards in the film industry. Throw in Norman Lear’s contributions and you start to get a clearer picture of how it all went south. The masses just went along with it asit is their wont to do.

Throw in Great Society reforms and Feminism for good measure. It’s tough to survive and raise a family with all of that.

Arch Stanton
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Arch Stanton

Great point. The reason for the upheaval and continuing change is readily obvious, and its name is the media, particularly TV & film. Even as far back as the early 60’s, one of the FCC commissioners christened television ‘the vast wasteland”. TV and film normalized homosexuals, then homosexual marriage. Now those same players are normalizing transgenders/transsexuals. And, they’re normalizing the ‘noble refugees’ flooding into the US. Starting about 1970-71 with Norman Lear’s TV series and Hollywood’s films, this country has been fed a steady and unrelenting diet of images & sound that has normalized all manner of sicknesses and deviant… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

TV programming, machine guns, the printing press, the Bomb, the Pill, drugs, cars and planes, nitrate fertilizers and supergrains, medicine and energy-

Everything used to depend on how fast an army could walk.

Now, the shattering impact of modernity.
In this, the Whites really are to blame!

james wilson
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james wilson

All societies, in time, become a reflection of their ruling class. It is our ruling class which has changed. And the bar to entry has never been so low, so…..democratic.

Issac
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Issac

Very astute about society reflecting the ruling class; however, there is no such low bar to entry. The upper class in the US is as impermeable now as it was in the gilded age, perhaps more so due to the ubiquity of information (dirt) on would-be class transcending noveu-rich. The problem is that the class in question has become utterly ossified and without flexibility. This may be due to diaspora elites having become unable to grapple with the reality of being an elite with an empire to rule rather than simply live within. It may also be that American elites… Read more »

james wilson
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james wilson

It seems you are speaking about people who are of a somewhat different and more exclusive sort than I include as members; for example “journalist”, MSM talking heads, or the 44th President, among others. Your interpretation is more important than mine if it explains where power is actually created and maintained. It probably does.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Absolutely. Reading Unz Review’s American Pravda, I see that FDR (and Churchill’s) wartime government was filled with Soviet spies, the architects of the postwar order. They came here as settlers, not refugees. Their children, the Red Diaper babies, replaced our WASP aristocracy just as they had the German and Russian traditional administrations. Been doing that since Hyksos Egypt, and before. They exploit a specialized niche in the human ecology. Selecting for traits, as much as Hajnal whites (no close-cousin marriage), testosterone-laden Bantus, or child-rapist Arabs. Yesterday’s column, what did it say? We are ruled by mafia- the Families. Outside Fam,… Read more »

DWEEZIL THE WEASEL
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DWEEZIL THE WEASEL

There is an explanation for this, if you follow the Good Book. Read 2Tim 3:1-9. It is all described. It is happening right before our eyes. We are indeed on a highway to Hell. When we arrive is up to Him. Brace yourselves. Bleib ubrig.

Severian
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Say what you will about the fascist aesthetic, the first politician to make an American version of the Bund Deutscher Madel mandatory will get the votes of 75% of the men… and 95% of the women. (And let’s pour one out for that “Promise Keepers” guy from the late 1990s. Alas, he came too soon… and couldn’t keep it in his pants, but you could make a killing with that today).

Mr Edward Thtalkequine
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Mr Edward Thtalkequine

“…our women are growing increasingly deranged, not because men are wimps, but because the traditional sex roles no longer exist. This leaves them as free radicals, with the wacky fads of feminism and gender studies, orbiting them like unpaired electrons.”

Ha – brilliant, Z

Roger D
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Roger D

Real men are in short supply today. It’s a supply and demand thing. Such is the fruit of the failed feminist movement.

Abelard Lindsey
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Abelard Lindsey

I’ve stopped obsessing over the cutlure wars as they are receding into the past. I think things are getting a lot better now.

https://alfinnextlevel.wordpress.com/2018/07/05/us-too-many-jobs-not-enough-workers/

Why waste time and energy obsessing over culture wars when there is a world of opportunity beckening out there?

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

“Why waste time and energy obsessing over culture wars when there is a world of opportunity beckening out there?”

The Americans in the 1950s and 60s took your advice and the result is what Z writes about in this column and most of his work. If we are only maximizers of short term material success, we become spiritually lost and are exploited by our enemies.

Mike
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Mike

I am a boomer and my view is that the screwups started in the 60s. Now many would say see what I mean you are the problem. In 1969 I turned 16, not yet able to vote for 2 more years. My generation did not achieve political power until at the earliest 1982. The earliest that we all could have voted. Oh gosh, Regan was president. My thoughts are that the greatest generation voted for the freebees because they had lived through both the great depression and world War 2. Not an easy time to be young. I am not… Read more »

De Beers Diamonds
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De Beers Diamonds

In Vietnam we exempted the university students, particularly the Ivy League from serving as officers. Instead McNamara filled the enlisted ranks with those of low IQ. Draft-dodging white boomers were one of the worst things to have happened to our culture. It was foolish of us to have gone to Vietnam, but just as foolish to have given amnesty to those that left for Canada. By contrast the IDF will pull teeth to ensure their people’s best are made officers.

De Beers Diamonds
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De Beers Diamonds

Consider the number of prominent politicians of age that didn’t go to Vietnam. Clinton, GWB, Romney, Trump. All four of them would have been roughly competent officers. John McCain was an unqualified pilot that was only allowed in because of his Admiral father and grandfather. The elite circa 1965 had no confidence, and shielded their children. Imagine if Oliver North had been elected Senator in ’94, and President in ’00.

A.B. Prosper
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A.B. Prosper

You’d get a massive gun grab, Ollie North was essentially a traitor and hated the right to bear arms. That said the US has faced no military threat other than China since 1991 or so and is just to corrupt to withdraw and mind it own business. Too much profit there to be had and frankly I’m more sympathetic than you might think, the number of useful things to do in the private sector that are remunerative has shrunk year after year since the 70’s , automation and computers and economies of scale gut wages And its not all “making… Read more »

De Beers Diamonds
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De Beers Diamonds

The military is not loyal to the Constitution, no doubt. What should be especially troubling for the Right is the prominent veteran Dems (Duckworth, Moulton, Kander, Gabbard), the veterans of the neocon wars have a lesser-known leftist streak, even the GOP veterans (Brian Mast of Florida). A President North might have listened to Powell, Cheney certainly wouldn’t be VP.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

President Ollie would’ve increased the cocaine flights to Mena, AR with Hillary as his V.P.
John Negroponte’s Contra death squads would be here, instead of with the Sons of Iraq. Oh, wait, MS-13 is here now, isn’t it?

I don’t know whether to agree or disagree.
How badly did Vietnam corrupt our patriotic military core? Asking for a friend named (((John Kerry))).

Rod1963
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Rod1963

The 60’s also coincides with the Left taking over institutions within and without the government. From education to the foundations, etc. And they still control them to this day. After that came feminism, AA, set-asodes, the Great Society, all the toxic shit that ruined the country. TV producing endless streams of garbage. Boomers didn’t do it. They didn’t want forced busing, they didn’t want to live next to blacks, etc. It’s really easy to blame them though. Nobody bothers to notice they didn’t have the internet back then, all they had for news sources was the corporate controlled news media… Read more »

De Beers Diamonds
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De Beers Diamonds

The Boomers were freely consuming drugs en masse, and the military was not immune. Our lunatic drug war policies are a hypocritical reaction to Boomer excess. Boomer elites also passed on their aversion to military service down to the next generation. Romney has no excuse for not having one of his five sons become an officer. Don Jr and Eric would be more than subjects of mockery if they’d done a term in the Corps.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

A traditional aristocratic career used to include a term of military service. Now it includes a term of revolving-door corporate consultancy or university clerisy.

The new Order is emerging, isn’t it?

De Beers Diamonds
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De Beers Diamonds

Richard Spencer would have been far better off if he’d been an officer versus wasting away in grad school. He might even have ended up in Congress. The dissident Right’s most glaring weakness is the absence of disciplined leadership. Say what you want about the MIC, having responsibility for hundreds of men as an O-3 teaches something that McKinsey can’t.

calsdad
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calsdad

LOL.

The progressive left took over institutions long before the 1960’s.

Income tax. The Federal Reserve. Elimination of the TRUE militia (the National Guard is NOT a militia), Voting rights for women. Changing the election of Senators to a direct ballot, the Permanent Apportionment Act, involvement in WW1………… all of these and more were brought to you by the “progressives” long before the 1960’s ever rolled around.

It seems there are a lot of people here who cannot separate cause and effect.

Christopher Chantrill
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Christopher Chantrill

In my reductive Three Peoples theory, the culprits are the People of the Creative Self. For them the meaning of life, the universe, and everything, is to be creative.

If you are a complete idiot, without the chops to be creative, the only way to get creative is with sex.

In my view, sex is probably the last thing you want to get creative with.

Member

If I were a young man today I would do the same thing I did when I was young. Find a woman interested in raising a family in a traditional manner with a religious upbringing.

This is what you call a winning reproductive strategy.

To me everything else is whining.

Member

The world changed. I’m in a reality where communication is at the speed of light over any distance I choose and the other side of the world is a day away by jet plane if I need to get there. There are no certainties, it is chaos… and out of chaos comes opportunity. The hard thing is keeping up and not being paralysed by the overload of information: more facts and opinions than a human mind can hold – even though a human mind can hold a whole universe inside.

Roger D
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Roger D

John_Pate, you can’t eat information. The average American has a 4 days worth of food on hand. Here is the best description of where Americans are today: https://survivalblog.com/precepts/

james wilson
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james wilson

The average American could miss four months of meals.

Abelard Lindsey
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Abelard Lindsey

I think the alt-right stuff will fade away in the next couple years. I make this prediction based on two previous waves os movements like it in the past. The first was the last 2 years of Carter. This was the John Bircher/world end in hyperinflation crowd. This crowd faded away with the Reagan economic resurgence by 1983. Later came the militia movements during Clinton’s first term. These went away with the economic resurgence of the late 90’s (which Clinton himself had very little to do with). The massive jobs boom wave is what I think is the beginning of… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Mebbe so. If guys can start doing guy stuff again, chasing after it, frustrated girls will start doing girl stuff again- chasing after guys.

Roulf
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Roulf

This is about demographics and less about dollars. As we’ve seen before, solving economic hardship for young White men is a band-aid that can easily be ripped off by the next political regime that rises to power. As things stand, this is our future (https://nyti.ms/2tBMfxj) (https://bit.ly/2xWugWS). Don’t believe me? In two years the majority of babies born in the US will not be White (https://bit.ly/2qKd1RJ) and given the continued influx of foreigners via illegal immigration, refugee admissions and green cards being passed out like candy you will see an increasing shift in voting patters, even in places you may not… Read more »

Rod1963
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Rod1963

There was no jobs boom under Clinton, just a stock market boom fueled by the internet that was just getting going. It finally imploded under Bush the Lesser. Employment wise Clinton, butchered the working and middle-class with NAFTA, and PNTR with China. which sent over 8 million jobs overseas and created the Rust Belt. He is also responsible for turning the mid-West Red with this. Your understanding of alt-right is equally flawed as much as your understanding of what happened to the Birchers and the militia movements. The Alt-Right is basically a grab bag of different folks. This also includes… Read more »

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

All true, but Roulf is still spot on.
Only one banner opposes our doom.

And I am sorry, Christians, but you have already sold your people down the river.
It won’t be your banner, only, either.

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

I appreciate your honesty in saying, “I don’t know any alt-right people personally. But my impression is that it is largely comprised of pissed-off unemployed white guys.” Go to AmRen! You will have a great time and be impressed by the high quality of the attendees. That was Z’s response.

Stealth Spaniel
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Stealth Spaniel

It was the bullshit of the Camelot Kennedys that started a lot of this. Add on the noble savages immigrating to our shores, then the free love diseases that Hollyweird fully embraced-along with the Manson Clan. I grew up in the crazy days, in Los Angeles no less, and yet I turned out a fully normal white woman. How? My mom was a nurse, knew a lot of people “in the Industry”, and nothing says crazy like witnessing the drugs, the narcissism,the cruelty up close and direct. I was cautioned daily about the insanity she saw. I had no illusions… Read more »

Dutch
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Dutch

In 1925, 1945, and 1955, status was attained by living in a two-parent family, in your own house, with a car or two to drive, membership in a mainline church, also in the service clubs, a veteran of the service on the male side, a couple of clean cut kids, and a nice career in a respectable profession. Each and every one of these elements has been replaced by something else, which means, in the popular culture of the last 50 years or so, status is achieved by rejecting these elements of life, not embracing them. How did this happen?… Read more »

Member

I can’t imagine why anybody would think that the characters in Seinfeld would be “taken as some sort example as how to live one’s life.”

Dutch
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Dutch

Perhaps not held up as such, but the snark, the self absorption, and the total lack of consideration for anyone around you is how many people live their lives today. So maybe more of a reflection than an example. The cultural resonance of those Seinfeld characters came from somewhere.

Al from da Nort
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Al from da Nort

Z Man; I think you are really on to something here profound here. In discussing what has gone wrong with our society, we are still somewhat acting on the assumption that women lack agency. As you say, this must change (or actual Patriachy must be restored). Feminism’s fundamental absurd proposition is the demand to have recognized agency without any personal accountability for the consequences thereof. Not to mention the absurd demand that men are required to fix this situation asap. In your linked previous post you said: “One of the top-level duties of a ruling class is to keep its… Read more »

Arminus
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Arminus

Dr Kevin Macdonald provides the correct answer to your question on what is wrong with the 60’s generation. Silly puritans manipulated like the self righteous fools they have always been.

Rev.Hoagie
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Rev.Hoagie

“What was so monstrous in the 50’s and 60’s that it spawned a generation hell bent on self-abnegation?” . It was the slow creep of communism into our culture. Once the state and media employed Marxists made sure Joe McCarthy was considered a nut job they could begin the insidious take over of our culture. First they had to get God out of all schools and education, then out of the public. Once they convinced the Catholic Church it was somehow “Christian” to bring in homosexual perverts to teach children all they needed to do was wait for nature to… Read more »

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Alas, The Z Man’s jihad against boomers reflects the need for a scapegoat combined with historical ignorance. The boomers inherited all the things younger members of the alt-right complain about. All the cultural marxist pieces (as were the Deep State, corrupt parties and Perpetual War machine) were in place by the end of the 60s. Now with the internet providing a way around the Jew controlled media and entertainment industry boomers are fired up and, while still not being as red pilled as they need to be, were the bedrock Trump and Brexit won on. Worth keeping in mind that… Read more »

Wordly Wiseman
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Wordly Wiseman

anglo germanics cant handle idleness and boredom. there always has to be a dynamite stick with a short fuse stuck up in your a***. top it up with the widespread usage of mood enhancing drugs and cannabis and you get a chaotic world we live in today

Tax Slave
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Tax Slave

The sad thing is that a New Order will not emerge until we’ve either destoyed everything and/or started killing each other.

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A way I often look at it is that the people fighting against over-population in the 50s and 60s won, but never did any planning for after the victory. We are in the fertility equivalent of Baghdad in 2003 and onward. The seed of this truth is contained in your observation about the difference between those with families and the single. I am increasingly starting to wonder if Andrea Dworkin and here ilk were almost correct: a great deal of female reproduction (not sex as the Dworkinites would have it) has been coerced, especially since the Neolithic. The genes of… Read more »

Christopher
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Christopher

Drugs. That’s a big part of what happened. Still going pretty strong, I imagine. Gender goofiness, is not normal or common outside of the hippified West. And even there, is easily slapped down by a quick glance of what the grantedly deranged and tragically damaged youth regard. This may rub many the wrong way. But I do not care. Check outdide of yur tiny bubble of what is considered American youth pop culture. And you will find rather virile and strident gender defining.

Shrugger
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Shrugger

Z’s post posits plausible cause for the poz, as do many of the astute commenters. I’m in the “death of God” camp. Of course He didn’t go anywhere. We (most of us anyway) decided we preferred material and sexual self-indulgence.

All together now:. “This will not end well.”

Lugh
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Lugh

Yes, romanticism. Even men who have awakened to the fact that America is lost, are still morbidly attached to the flawed past that lead directly to the disaster. Typically the apogee of their delusive mindset is WW2 with America as the ultimate Good Guys, simultaneously completely virtuous and incredibly tough. But all in a relaxed, cool way – able to gun down hordes of subhuman “Huns” with a cigarette dangling in the corner of their mouth – perhaps a brand prescribed by their physician. In contrast, the Reality: the Nazis knew about the dangers of both Capitalism and Communism –… Read more »

Rod1963
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Rod1963

PUA and MGTOW are responses to feminism and a rigged judicial system that favors women at all times. All them mean the cold death of the West. They are the canaries in the coal mine that are falling over. As for feminism, foisted on us by a bunch of rich Jewish socialites and Marxists, it was and is a toxic supremacist ideology from day one. But business loved it, because it flooded the market with more labor that would keep wages down and did. Though at the cost of wrecking traditional roles for women and society as well. It’s final… Read more »

Haxo Angmark
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there is no mystery here. The Jews – a matriarchal feminized race to begin with – launched during the 1950’s-60’s a full frontal attack on Whites and White reproduction via culturally-normalized and then legalized abortion, porn, sodomy, and above all Judeo-feminism.

the current smoking ruin is the result. Blame the boomers all you like. They were merely the target; Jews fired the arrow. If you think otherwise,

go over to wikipedia and type in “List of Jewish Feminists”.

read and study. Then type in “List of not Jewish Feminists”.

compare results.

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Damn, so you’re saying a bunch of matriarchal feminized faggots beat the fuck out of us. That’s sad.

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

“Sad but true” In our defense, we were defeated by an exploitation of our naïve universalism, our trusting nature. Today, we face up to our defeat and proceed with awareness.

Ursula
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Ursula

Being in a high-trust society we created from our European Christian values, whites had trust in and believed the institutions, who lied to us and inculcated us with destructive ideas.

Shane
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Shane

https://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2018/04/09/future-europe-civil-war.html Good article worth reading from a British perspective but ties into what Z has said. I do think that entrophy seems to be an unfortunate part of life bar a reasonable state of pressure. A lot of our problems are due to our success as a civilization. I’m not enthusiastic about discarding modernity and larping as a medievalist but Brett Stevens at America.org does wax lyrical about it and there’s a bit of truth in it. I remember growing up in Ireland in the late 80s. Lower middle class/ Working Class. Dad a mechanic then Service Manager. From a… Read more »

LineInTheSand
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LineInTheSand

Z’s question: “What was so monstrous in the 50’s and 60’s that it spawned a generation hell bent on self-abnegation?” Answer: To a first approximation, J*wish dominance of the media and universities. To be a bit more precise, add in the effect of unparalleled affluence.

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I’m sorry, but isn’t this what you have to do if you’re convinced that Western Civilization is pointless and wicked, especially given that Western civ is nothing except the synthesis of Greece, Rome, and the Church?

We thought for a very long time about how to live meaningful lives and came up with pretty good insights. Those were abandoned by the culture in the 19th century & there is a sense in which the Boomers of cursed memory were merely completing the work that their grandparents had begun.

thekrustykurmudgeon
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I feel that the 1970s were the happy medium. Society was more liberal and laid back than it had been 10-20 years earlier – but it was also still accepting basic gender roles.

TomA
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TomA

Almost all of the societal dysfunction that is present in our current culture derives from the modern environment of boundless affluence and the extinction of existential hardship and threat. Millions of years of evolution in the cauldron of natural forces made us the ultimate survival machines. No species cannot remain healthy in the absence of fitness selection similar to this ancestral gauntlet. We are in the process of breeding ourselves from wolves into chihuahuas.

pat
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pat

As a Boomer, and someone whose knee jerk reaction is to blame the Boomers for all that ails us I must offer a partial defense. As to what caused the Boomers to throw their inheritance out the window the answer is at least partially three fold. The first 2 are grounded in reality, while the third is an abstraction. 1) Vietnam – although awash in self interest the Boomer’s rejection of Vietnam was certainly not without merit. Of course that for many Boomers their protests and their own insistence on not paying a price for objecting to the war, in… Read more »

3g4me
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3g4me

Hmmn, something in the water? I just copied two posts and various comments from PA’s blog in this same subject (male/female relationship blues) to a friend. Now I’ve copied and sent yours. I’ll leave the link to PA’s posts here, and to yours at his. for cross pollination!

https://paworldandtimes.wordpress.com/2018/07/03/a-black-pill-about-the-sexual-market/

https://paworldandtimes.wordpress.com/2018/07/06/hating-women/

carlos7
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carlos7

Z: “This is certainly true in America, where the boomers inherited a world of order and then set about destroying it, replacing it with a world of disorder and irrationality, without ever explaining why they did it.”

They did what they were taught to do by their tele-screens. Television was the
satanic altar brought into every home, spewing an increasingly vile message,
programming the majority of the population to mock their elders and embrace
transgression.

The tree of the knowledge of Good & Evil was brought into the family room, not whispering but shouting its lie: Surely you will not die!

goofius
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goofius

Television – predicted in the Book of Revelation as The Electric Jew.

Alzaebo
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Alzaebo

Excellent! Such imagery!

Imagine if the TV’s forte had been skills, “how 2” and “how things work”, instead of vaudeville, soap opera, and secular religious programming.

What youtube is for mechanics, a library.

Drake
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Drake

I’ve been thinking of this post over the weekend. Z has talked a lot about limits and the lack of limits in leftist movements. Society is form of control and is usually accompanied by a major religion that reinforces the limits and adds some cohesiveness. East Asian societies impose tight controls on behavior, that’s why they seem to be surviving the onslaught of technology, media, affluence, and some of the other factors commentators mentioned above. Traditional African society has few limits on behavior and tribal disputes are still often settled with machetes. During the Renaissance, Western society became the happy… Read more »