The Positive Alternative

One of the predictable things about left-wing political theater is they will always heroically go to war with the problem they created. After liberally applying the front lash, they then predict a backlash and begin to make war on it. They are like the arsonist-fireman, heroically battling the fires he set. The latest example is over the “colored revolution” sponsored by the usual suspects around the Occident. In the UK, they worry this may have given a boost to Right.

Apparently, the extreme Left in the UK has noticed that the native population not only opposes mass immigration, but now they oppose those ungrateful immigrants rioting in the streets and attacking their hosts. The daily lectures on white privilege and the crimes and the English people have not had the intended effect. Instead of committing suicide to make way for more foreigners, many Brits are starting to think of their ethnic and national interests, like everyone else.

Familiar to Americans is the way the Left manufacturers its own evidence to wave around in support of its claims. Hope Not Hate is the British version of the ADL, backed by the same sorts of people. Their main job is to make up wild tales about secret invisible Hitler clubs that the media can then use in their scare stories. These claims are also used to raise money from the gullible and cynical. It’s how the blood libel against white people is done in liberal democracy.

That said, Patriotic Alternative is experiencing a surge in interest, but not for the reasons claimed by the anti-whites. Instead of “becoming more extreme” they have moderated their tone. Like the US, the UK scene has been plagued by the weirdo problem, which in their case is more like a hooligan problem. Nationalist politics was more like a rowdy working-class pub than a political movement. As a result, it was always plagued by ugly images the Left could exploit.

To remedy this, Patriotic Alternative has imposed strict rules of conduct on its members and has been very clear about it. Mark Collett, the head of PA, has even booted a longtime friend from his group, when that friend could not behave himself. Their events are family friendly, designed to build community among members. Instead of meeting in a pub, they have a gathering at a park. They organize camping trips and paintball tournaments that are intended to build friendships.

One result of this approach is it is attracting a better class of person. The street brawlers are not interested in camping trips. The middle-class person worried about the future of their children is interested in that sort of activity. Initially they may not agree with everything they are hearing, but they are willing to listen, because the people they see are like their neighbors and coworkers. In fact, they may be moving into this type of politics because of their neighbors and coworkers.

It is a good example of how effective politics starts with engaging people where they are rather than where you want them to be. Like the US, UK activists have often positioned themselves way outside the main, making it impossible for them to engage with the typical Brit on their own terms. Bad optics also makes it easy for the Left to exaggerate the distance between the typical Brit and the activists. By closing that gap, PA is able to reach a much broader audience.

This is why left-wing terrorist groups like Hope Not Hate are in a panic. It is really hard for them to demonize someone like Laura Towler. When the person behind the “Migrants Not Welcome” projection on the cliffs of Dover is a woman who likes to talk about tea and her wedding plans, it is impossible to portray the movement as a bunch of beer swilling street brawlers. The Left fears Patriotic Alternative because their old tricks are not going to work on these guys.

Even Mark Collett, to be candid, has transformed himself into a good example of how to conduct pro-white politics in the modern age. He has a colorful past, where he went down the same old lonely road that many nationalist activists have gone down both in the US and the UK. Having learned from that, now a middle-aged father, he is a good redemption story, as well as a spokesman for the cause. Normal people can relate to a man who has grown into his role.

Probably the best thing that PA has done is shift from a negative message to a more positive one based in the interests of native Brits. Instead of railing against Muslims like a Tommy Robinson, or spending endless hours talking about the wood used at German prison camps in WWII, PA talks about what is best from native Brits. All of those other groups are going to do what they do. What matters, what will determine the future, is what the native Brits do to preserve themselves.

Patriotic Alternative is a good example for American activists. The US has different challenges and a different history. Southern activists will have different concerns and different cultural issues than activists in the Northwest. You really cannot speak on behalf of “Native Americans” in the way you speak of “Native Brits.” Even so, the positive message is always the better approach, because it always draws a better crowd, which in turn makes the message more appealing.

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Jed Evnull
Jed Evnull
Member
12 days ago

Camping trips and family-friendly front-facing spokespeople are fine, but unfortunately the real people of the British Isles have been left with a hard bloody task that will require hard men. That’s if the task can even be accomplished at this late date. Enoch Powell was right.

whitney
Member
Reply to  Jed Evnull
12 days ago

Yeah it all sounds good and I love to camp but ultimately we’re going to have to embrace our sociopaths. They make excellent soldiers

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  whitney
12 days ago

They make excellent ditch diggers and earthen fortification specialists, maybe he smarter ones can be exploited for laundry detail and mess hall cooks.

Rona
Rona
Reply to  Forever Templar
11 days ago

Laundry detail may be too ambitious for wignats.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  whitney
12 days ago

Joe six pack and his biker buddies are sociopaths?

whitney
Member
Reply to  Paintersforms
12 days ago

They’re not the only ones that make excellent soldiers. They have a point in warfare though

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  whitney
12 days ago

Okay I get who you’re talking about.

My experience in the workplace, some reform and do well, most end up making the same mistakes. I imagine the same as soldiers. Probably more trouble than they’re worth.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Paintersforms
12 days ago

All things are possible when you control the information pipeline. We don’t. So your point is well taken.

whitney
Member
Reply to  thezman
12 days ago

What happened to ‘Win and then develop your principles’

Daedalian
Daedalian
Reply to  thezman
12 days ago

Yep, and we have also tried Pat Buchanan, Sam Francis, Jared a Taylor, Peter Brimelow and The Derb during the last 50 years. I get making fun of costumed retards, but your way does not have a better record.

Rerun time
Rerun time
Reply to  thezman
12 days ago

Wait until joining the Open Air Chapter of the Ayran Brotherhood is the cleanest dirty shirt.

Amwolf
Amwolf
Reply to  Daedalian
11 days ago

We need more McVeighs and less pseudo intellectuals.

Siddo
Reply to  thezman
12 days ago

Spot on. Those wankers on the left love a picture of an overweight, tattooed skinhead.

Rerun time
Rerun time
Reply to  thezman
12 days ago

The Tea Party redux isn’t the same thing? There hasn’t been the same stupid thing done since the KKK was destroyed in the 1960s, by pure coincidence along with what was left of the South. But if we have nice Ladies embracing racial separatism in a family friendly atmosphere that will work. While the right dicked around calling everyone a Fedpoaster the Left built the prison, and its built. Now we just will be progressively progressed from work release to greater and greater levels of security. But at least no one important went to jail – instead the jail was… Read more »

diconez
diconez
Reply to  Rerun time
4 days ago

you need the tea party outside to bring supplies to the prison gangs. or idk, but my point is, some people build community, others sacrifice for it.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  thezman
12 days ago

Zman is correct and his point remains the same about win then morality. This is simply recruiting toward building a functioning army as opposed to a spearhead forlorn hope. Berserkers are great for what they are. Ranks of trained soldiers supported by engineers, supply, scouts and Intel units are better.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Penitent Man
11 days ago

You don’t get soldiers/fighters from such ranks as office drones and professionals.
The soldiers traditionally come from blue collar and lower middle-class types = the sam,e people NR eschews.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Rwc1963
11 days ago

Nonsense. If antifa can recruit the slacker children of “office drones” because they are lacking direction and self-awareness… we can certainly recruit young whites if we can instill pride in themselves and their people for the exact same reason. Give us Our children and youths of any economic class with a sense of themselves as a people and in two months we can give you soldiers. Three months and we can produce excellent soldiers. I’ll take everyone of Ours and not be picky about it.

diconez
diconez
Reply to  Penitent Man
4 days ago

agreed. it gets harder considering the lack of white aesthetic and faith/metaphysics in general being promoted in the culture, which enslaves the kids mentally with left-brown “youth culture”. but considering how deranged the last generations are becoming (tranny story time hours), a breaking point is coming of disgusted kids wanting to detach, and needing guidance. here come us with white pill, god pill, red pill, etc… and sure, there will be a time to camp with the women and kids, but also a time to practice marksmanship…

diconez
diconez
Reply to  Penitent Man
4 days ago

you need both.
specially considering the marxoid element central to the colored revolution hates (white) families and faith on one hand, yet has no fear of being kinetic on the other hand.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  thezman
12 days ago

I understand the Zman’s point, but I am not convinced it will work any better than “embrace your retards.” The natural pressure in a female-dominated society is for pathological altruism. Women want to mother everyone in the world. That leads to the not-coincidentally-named Nanny state. It leads to mass immigration, because like Mutti Merkel, women want to embrace Emma Lazarus’s poor, huddled masses. They and their own children (the few that leftist women have) have to be seriously hurting to get them to back off from that. There’s not going to be a reversal of globohomo until there is sufficient… Read more »

Royaliste
Royaliste
Reply to  Vizzini
12 days ago

Don’t worry … I’m pretty sure “sufficient pain” is coming.

diconez
diconez
Reply to  Vizzini
4 days ago

which is why we need the two strategies. the nice face to console the increasing amounts of hurting women/kids/hollow men. and the protector’s scarred face, when prevention of further pain is above all considerations.

Bruno the Arrogant
Bruno the Arrogant
Reply to  whitney
12 days ago

Ideally, I think the answer we want is “All Of the Above”. When the sociopaths, the family men and regular guys at the tavern are all singing from the same hymnal, then you know your side is winning. Come one, come all!

Joey Jünger
Joey Jünger
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
12 days ago

No vetting= guys in your organization who look like Jerry Seinfeld who always decide to flash a Sieg Heil to the Führer when the cameras are rolling on your parade.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
12 days ago

Sociopaths,by definition, are not going to put any group interests above their own personal interests.
I would imagine even the military doesn’t want sociopaths. If a sociopath is captured and there was benefit to them talking, they will talk.
The problems of the dissident right has most certainly NOT been the absence of sociopaths.

Welcome to Walmart!
Welcome to Walmart!
Reply to  tarstarkas
12 days ago

Well then why is the left so replete and effective with sociopaths? How is it that so many business leaders are progressive psychos? And can anyone argue that most if not all of the trillionaire and billionaire classes are not sociopaths? The Eight Families? Bezos? Gates? Soros? Bueller ….

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tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Welcome to Walmart!
12 days ago

This is why they sell out their own country to get some money.
You can see the same thing with these riots. They are rioting no matter what the political ramification are.
The media has sociopathed itself into a near complete lack of trust by the general public.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Welcome to Walmart!
12 days ago

People are also turning against them. Morality is making a comeback. The spiritual battle is what’s dividing everyone.

diconez
diconez
Reply to  Paintersforms
4 days ago

agreed. which is why we can’t just throw the gene science at people and pretend that will unite all whites. without the spirit, wignats are gonna wignat, specially if surrounded by the similarly-IQ colored. sure, some science secular talk helps to ground the ideal, and white pagan myths are cool and inspiring to a degree; but it also helps reminding normie white people that those who killed Jesus and those who created the antiwhite establishment were mostly the same: “reasonable” goodwhites acting on behalf of (((usual suspects))) and other strangers, in this modern time using colored and/or deviant centurions to… Read more »

threestars
threestars
Member
Reply to  Welcome to Walmart!
12 days ago

Sociopaths don’t have any reason to betray the left. Most of what these people have preached for the last 50 years is licentiousness, throwing away of societal constraints, and ME, ME, ME! Now, if you were a leftist indebted only to your own self-satisfaction, would you usually end up betraying this faction?

Peter Klein
Peter Klein
Member
Reply to  Welcome to Walmart!
10 days ago

Oh, I can partly answer that one. Nonviolent psychopaths share one common trait… Inability to empathize. It’s an actual brain disorder that can come from simple frontal lobe damage Consequently, they are prone to make rash decisions. Their world is filled with entirely different consequences; well, fewer. But here’s the gotcha. When psychopath CEO Gill Bates decisively chooses to go forward with a risky vaccine in a 3rd world nation resulting in disease outbreak, he is first commended for his decisiveness and leadership. Secondly, he is appreciated for his “steely” handling of the consequences. In truth, he just doesn’t give… Read more »

diconez
diconez
Reply to  tarstarkas
4 days ago

we just need the right kind, the effective yet warm looking kind. Steve Jobs did a lot of despicable things for the left with that overused black sweater.

Maus
Maus
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
12 days ago

Nope. The low value trash has to be taken to the curb for disposal. Even Uncle Adolph realized that. See the Night of the Long Knives.

Rerun time
Rerun time
Reply to  Maus
12 days ago

You don’t have anyone to kick to the curb. Don’t have a curb either. People can mock LARP, but at least there’s life and action from based stickman. I ❤️ How the Right, which does not actually exist because it was cowed by phantoms into never coming into existence speaks of long knives, standards, a good image. The only real right this side of butt lover biker gangs is the scattered few militias, who have been successfully thwarted not and never by the Left but by the so called right. Had they been given a fraction of the funds the… Read more »

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  Rerun time
12 days ago

You are totally right. Be the change you want to see in the world.

Please put here your real name, address, and telephone number so we can solicit donations for you to start the revolutionary army. Clearly, you are not cowed by the Feds. So let us know who you are so we can started! I’ll wait…

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Rerun time
12 days ago

Default? Between the IRS, Attorneys General, mayors, governors, and the media, we’re living in a time when the grassroots right is very suppressed and the left is allowed to run riot. That will change.

RerunTime
RerunTime
Reply to  Paintersforms
10 days ago

What repression? Getting fired from a job you should have never taken is the max repression that actually existed. That will change? Yes, it will get real instead of imaginary. Actually if you are in a Left wing city wearing MAGA gear it already has. The only existing change agents are the Left. The Right bloviates online – an excellent pressure release valve – and only acts one way; Runs. The only real change is more of the same; whites run. Whites are Runners, the Race’s name should be changed from White to Flight. The Left exists, the Right does… Read more »

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
12 days ago

Give more of Our People a face and place to feel welcome and show them they dont have to be ashamed, rather, they are part of a greater family with a proud history. Gatherings free of freaks and wholesome interactions makes them a part of a community and more likely to put him in the mind to defend that community.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Penitent Man
12 days ago

Here’s what I think may be a real life example of what you and Z-man suggest coming from the 2nd Amendment community, of which I have had a role here for many years. We have folks that organize events/training wrt firearm usage. Any number of these events were of the “gunny” type where one learns self defense with rifle and pistol. Others, where one learns tactics and a lot of “shoot and scoot” and field training. Some are more competitive events, others more inclined to promote personal development in the art. Most all of which doesn’t particularly appeal to normies… Read more »

threestars
threestars
Member
Reply to  Compsci
12 days ago

What about the type of events the Forgotten Weapons guy/Gun Jesus organizes and participates in? Those may seem kind of nerdy to the general public, but there’s no association with the militia or neo-Nazi crowds as far as I can tell.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  Compsci
12 days ago

Exactly Compsci… and good on you Sir. Participation in organizations that encourage Our people gathering, no matter how oblique to our goals as dissidents is a great achievement. It isn’t just getting them to fight, as many firebrands here and elsewhere demand, first we must give them something to fight for… and the realization that they will fight alongside their own and bot not alone.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Bruno the Arrogant
11 days ago

No military wants sociopaths because they are uinpredicable and liable to turn on the very people who recruited them.,
If you ever worked with or for such creatures you’d know this. They view people as objects to be used and then discarded.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  whitney
12 days ago

Britain is nowhere near in the bad position the US is in. It is still possible there to turn things around with a minimal of violence. Assuming we even need sociopaths, we don’t need them TODAY. We are nowhere near ready to fight. Embracing sociopaths is a good way to isolate yourself. It’s also a good way to have your group destroyed. Sociopaths are not known for their loyalty. When it comes to the group interests or their interests, they will come first. If you doubt this, visit a prison with “white supremacist” gangs which exist first and foremost to… Read more »

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  tarstarkas
12 days ago

Tommy Robinson – back before he became a Zio shill – made the point that before you can get Mr. and Mrs. Normie out in the street, you need the hooligans to make the streets safe first, you need someone who can go toe-to-toe with the Antifa-types and not flinch, people who are ready to go to jail so the Normies dare march. I’m not sure that strategy makes sense in 2020 (and I’m against live action campaigning to begin with) but there’s a rationale behind the sociopath strategy. Not that there are that many actual tattooed skinheads any more,… Read more »

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Felix Krull
12 days ago

I really don’t get the right’s desire to go march in the streets. Right wing street protests accomplish nothing. Leftists riot for stuff the elite already want to do. They are not out in front of the elites. They have lowlifes and degenerates who couldn’t care less about getting into a fight or being arrested. They already have criminal records, they won’t get fired from their jobs assuming they even have one. People who want law and order are not going to out and rioting in the streets. The absolute best case scenario is nobody notices and it goes off… Read more »

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  tarstarkas
12 days ago

Based and true, with one caveat: let’s see how l’affaire Kyle Rittenhouse plays out. As several people have pointed out, Kyle would never have happened if everybody played it safe. If Kyle becomes a true American martyr, maybe live actioneering has its point, but nine times out of ten you lose IRL, because real life is the enemy’s home ground. The internet is our turf, this is where we beat them, this is where we should spend our time and efforts, not out in the street waving placards or doing police work for free. We need to not interrupt them.… Read more »

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Felix Krull
12 days ago

He can only become a true American martyr if people are actually moved to action by his martyrdom. I have real doubts that will happen. I would really love to wake up and see an army marching on Kenosha to free Rittenhouse from jail after a wrongful conviction, but I won’t hold my breath.

Rona
Rona
Reply to  Felix Krull
11 days ago

I agree. Kyle may get lucky, but another kid will end up like James Fields, destroying his life. It’s heartbreaking to see it.

Rwc1963
Rwc1963
Reply to  Felix Krull
11 days ago

And how long will our home turf exist with a Democratic presidency and senate? About as long as a fart in a whirlwind.

Z and many others here make light of Big Tech but they have the clout to totally deplatform us when they get a meat puppet in the WH

Phoenix
Phoenix
Reply to  Rwc1963
11 days ago

Only an idiot would downplay the power of Big Tech at this point..

Rona
Rona
Reply to  tarstarkas
11 days ago

Like leftist Antifa losers just want to destroy and burn so Rightist losers want to march and salute Uncle A. These are inferior people and the only way no to be infested with them is to recognise the early signs and ban them from participating.

Phoenix
Phoenix
Reply to  Rona
11 days ago

Go back to Breitfraud..

BTP
Member
Reply to  whitney
12 days ago

This was, more or less, the theme of one of Victor Davis Hanson’s books. These geniuses like Sherman or Patton who were never trusted by the establishment turn out to be wicked good at knowing how to fight. Sherman couldn’t get a commission at the start of the War of Northern Aggression, but he is the one who broke Dixie.

Let’s hope there are brilliant misfits out there, passed over for promotion to VP of Southeast Regional Marketing and ready to find their true calling.

Whiskey
Whiskey
Reply to  whitney
12 days ago

That is empirically a false statement. We have data going back to the Greeks that the best soldiers are normal, family, free men who are fighting as an extremely unpleasant task in shock battles of annihilation. Psychopaths don’t work. Indeed the “warrior” tradition of “barbarian” peoples against the Romans, Greeks, Crusaders etc. ended up mostly losing as long as the civilized Westerners were numerous and cohesive enough in that they could not stand against shock battles of annihilation. Nor could they conduct war as an ugly harvest, so to speak. With massive resources mobilized in an organized fashion. War is… Read more »

Anonymousse
Anonymousse
Reply to  whitney
12 days ago

Real soldiers are not sociopaths. This is an idea that has crept into your psyche from (((movies)))

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  whitney
12 days ago

Not particularly. In their element yes. Warriors are fine, disciplined soldiers are better. Sociopaths and the berserk are great for Schwarzenegger movies. Real world campaigns are won by trained and dedicated professionals. Give me a small group of mentally sound and relatively healthy young men and I can turn them into decent rifleman soldiers in 8 weeks. Just about any soldier or former soldier/Marine can do the same by simple repetition of how he was trained. It’s not magic. The key is getting recruits that believe they are joining something that is worth fighting for. That’s where Zmans point is… Read more »

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Penitent Man
12 days ago

Bingo. But it helps if these men have some baseline knowledge, equipment, and are fit. Are you sure you’ll get 8 weeks? I’m not.

ZerohTollrants
ZerohTollrants
Reply to  Penitent Man
11 days ago

Vox has a neat little story up right now about how 4 good optics Marines fared against a horde of Antifa.

Spoiler alert-they ran for their lives. Another Proud Boy is in the hospital ICU with a brain bleed after being targeted and ran over by an Antifa.

Penitent Man
Penitent Man
Reply to  ZerohTollrants
11 days ago

Zero T, I saw that article. They were outmatched for what they were facing, which is a twilight world of law and order. They thought their weapons and demeanor would dissuade antifa from pushing it all the while keeping in the back of their minds that if they do fire they’ll be served up on a platter by TPTB. It’s the same thing soldiers face when the ROE is too restrictive. And antifa is well coordinated and led so they know exactly how far to push and remain in the arena of the “victim” should a shooting occur. Their masters… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  whitney
12 days ago
ronehjr
ronehjr
Reply to  whitney
12 days ago

If it comes to war, then even Z-man will probably be willing to share a foxhole with nazi larper. But we are trying to not get to that point.

Chad Hayden
Chad Hayden
Reply to  whitney
12 days ago

Sociopaths won’t be hard to attract when there’s conflict. I believe the point is that sociopaths don’t build a movement.

Rona
Rona
Reply to  whitney
11 days ago

The problem with wignats is not that they’re sociopaths it’s that they’re no-impulse control retards who love to march in formation for the media. We need a better class of sociopaths.

terranigma
terranigma
Reply to  whitney
11 days ago

Behind the optics side of the debate is the implicit understanding that we must become men of civilization again in order to get out of this. A man of civilization is a father and a soldier who is self-disciplined, self-restrained and professional. Those who reject the appearance of one do so because they reject the necessary virtues of one. A man of civilization is an aspirational figure in these times, and a major component of leadership and movement building is being the sort of person other people want to be. This will natural draw others to your movement, but only… Read more »

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Jed Evnull
12 days ago

Hmmmmmm.

The boys may be right, Z. In the shit-lib cities, the culture war has already gone hot, and they are way past PR programs. In America, the left is openly trying to subvert the next election. If this kind of thing can’t get Normie off his couch… I don’t think camping trips and picnics will either…

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Glenfilthie
12 days ago

Normie gets murdered in cold blood by Leftist meth addict; Normie grovels. Lather, rinse, repeat.

CAPT S
CAPT S
Reply to  Jed Evnull
12 days ago

Depends on what’s accomplished on the camping trip. A few hard men sitting around a fire, beer-in-hand, is reminiscent of Sam Adams and friends in their local tavern. Our side desperately needs organization and this sounds like a beginning. Absolutely agree with your premise, but whether the goal is national reformation or hanging together as a community remnant, we’re going to need camaraderie and coordination. And we’ve got to shun the mouthy ones … to get a fireside seat you’ve gotta have skin in the game.

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Welcome to Walmart!
Welcome to Walmart!
Reply to  CAPT S
12 days ago

Electronics left at home and invitees vetted, the backwoods are about the only meeting spaces remaining where participants are not easily surveilled by USG.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  CAPT S
12 days ago

I heartily approve. What matters are people that come to realize, as you put it, that they have real skin in the game if this goes pear shaped. And know who the others that feel the same are. These are people that will be “hard” when necessary, but “not hard” when times don’t call for it. You don’t build communities with sociopaths. Saw plenty of that in my own family. The nicest and most mild-mannered of the my great uncles (I found out after he died) had two Bronze Stars–one from Europe in WWII and the second from Korea plus… Read more »

Reply to  CAPT S
12 days ago

Not only that, but campsites are, by their very nature, remote and difficult to surveil. We will need secure settings of this type.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  CAPT S
12 days ago

A few hard men sitting around a fire, beer-in-hand, is reminiscent of Sam Adams and friends in their local tavern.

This is one of the reasons that bars have been shut for so long. The controllers are well aware that taverns were a hotbed of dissent when the American Revolution was getting underway.

The_Time_came_and-went
The_Time_came_and-went
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
12 days ago

When the time comes…

The Time came and went.
It was squandered on sales pitches to do nothing from smooth talking, smiling poisoners. I do not mean Trump.

I mean you.

Be happy the Left are so few, and the nation so vast. That space will give us room to maneuver. I mean America, not your fantasy right.

How much time was squandered here today dreaming of perfecting a movement that does not exist?

Nor will any of you ever stand, if you were the type you would have already.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  The_Time_came_and-went
12 days ago

Nor will any of you ever stand, if you were the type you would have already.

Tell us about all the stands you’ve recently taken, tough guy.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Jed Evnull
12 days ago

Fact check: True

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Jed Evnull
12 days ago

wrong spot. Sorry bout that

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Reply to  Jed Evnull
12 days ago

The street brawlers have their place alright. It’s just not in front of a camera.

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Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
12 days ago

Which in this day and age of instant streaming is why the left always have their video cameras out and switched on. If disfavorable information is recorded, it gets edited or the whole instance will be purged. Unless we are hitting them with small unit surprise tactics, our acts will always be recorded. Unarmed street brawls can have no benefit for us.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Jed Evnull
12 days ago

That’s if the task can even be accomplished at this late date.

Give me Westminster, and I’ll have them out of there in less than a decade with not a shot fired and not a tear shed.

Juri
Juri
Reply to  Jed Evnull
12 days ago

Until the West does not address the white genetic madness problem , mad whites infiltrate everything, take over and turn into absurd. Like in Ukraine, where nationalism now mean every last madness one country can have. If anybody remember, West had already influential good optics things like Universities. Mad whites took them over and now we all know, what University made reason and science mean. Every time when some pro white western guy tells that we need to do this or that, my first think is that you already did that. Let,s make small rich white ethnostate. Well, there were… Read more »

Sandmich
Reply to  Juri
9 days ago

Yeah it echos black people forming their own city to stay safe.

thud
Reply to  Jed Evnull
12 days ago

It can and is being done.

threestars
threestars
Member
Reply to  Jed Evnull
12 days ago

I don’t see how good optics are mutually exclusive with “hard men”.The problem with street brawlers isn’t that they know how to fight, it’s that they are meatheaded losers. Much like ghetto blacks they fall into alternative hierarchies centered on toughness as a cope, after failing to rise above the bottom rung of normal social hierarchy, mostly due to their own character faults. I know a lot of respectable men who can hold their own in a fight but few hooligan types who get anything but contempt from people outside their circles. That being said, I think street brawler types… Read more »

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Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  threestars
12 days ago

“MadWhites” is a keeper, far better than “GoodWhites.” I may use “PsychoWhites” to avoid any confusion to the use of “mad.”

Nationalist Christian
Nationalist Christian
Reply to  Jed Evnull
8 days ago

Men with families in tight-knit communities will fight much harder than a disillusioned sociopath with nothing to lose.

David Wright
Member
12 days ago

Has Collett abandoned his affinity for David Duke? If you want to present yourself to normal circles , that baggage has to go.

David Wright
Member
Reply to  thezman
12 days ago

JF Gariepy also, though he is a sperg so die trying to persuade him.
I noticed Utube demonitized him the other day, what took them so long? Something fishy about him and not just the Epstein money he took years ago.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  thezman
12 days ago

Every Euro I’ve met thinks they know America and Americans like the back of their hand. On the other hand, we don’t think we know anything about Europe, even though we probably know a lot. Europeans know more about America than Americans know about Europe for the same reason that a barbarian would know more about Rome than the Roman would know about barbarians. There’s the language-thing of course, but first and foremost, what happens in Washington is of absolutely critical importance to Europeans, in many cases more important than what happens in their own governments. But what happens in… Read more »

David Wright
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
12 days ago

So lutefisk does taste good?

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  David Wright
12 days ago

Absolutely divine!

It’s only incessant Jewish propaganda that makes you dislike the taste of rotten fish dissolved in lye.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  David Wright
12 days ago

That’s nothing.

The rotted fish of true Nordic men is Surströmming

exfarmkid
exfarmkid
Reply to  David Wright
10 days ago

With the right chef….yes.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  thezman
12 days ago

It strikes me as more than a little inconsistent that one ex-Klansman (Duke) will always have Klan-cooties. Yet Senator Byrd was in that organization for far longer and rose to a higher level through its ranks and never paid a price socially or otherwise. (I attribute this to Byrd’s tenure in the Klan to being pre-TV.) And with all the obliteration of Confederate monuments has anyone heard of a single “Robert C. Byrd” building or highway being renamed?

Same
Same
Reply to  RoBG
12 days ago

Wish I could like more than once

Carl B.
Carl B.
12 days ago

While you’re walking down the street be sure to lose your weirdness and put on a happy face. You don’t want to frighten the Antifa assassin and his Corporate Media entourage waiting around the next corner to kill you.

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Forever Templar
Forever Templar
12 days ago

Ha! Good to see Mark Collett rising up in life. Heard he had a woman and a kid, too. Good for him. Guess he grew up some because it was all too easy to piss him off on his old YouTube channel (“This Week on the Alt-Right”).

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
12 days ago

Tearing things down is easy.

Preservation is tedious, but necessary.

Building something worth keeping is very, very hard.

This goes for the left as much as the right. Salutes to Collette and Zman for pushing for the building option, but not selling it as “easy” like what’s left of Conservative Inc does daily.

CAPT S
CAPT S
Reply to  ProZNoV
12 days ago

Well said. I can only add that if rebuilding community is very, very hard, imagine what that means for rebuilding a transcontinental nation with no common culture. At least at the community level we have a shaky foundation of unity on which to repair and rebuild. The hard work has to start there, which is why I have extremely remote hopes for any organization that tries the top-down, nationalistic approach. Specific to America is our still viable Federalist system of government … if our side used that to advantage it would focus on counties first, before building out regional organizations,… Read more »

Reply to  CAPT S
12 days ago

I’m afraid rebuilding “America,” already a shambling corpse, is just not on. We can, however, build white identitarian communities in areas which are already overwhelmingly white and where such projects will find sympathy. As those communities coalesce, they can then think about creating political sovereignty.

CAPT S
CAPT S
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
12 days ago

Agreed – rebuilding America isn’t going to happen in my lifetime. Probably not my state either. Our generation’s job is to create the local environments that allow our communities to prosper. When I captained ships the aim was to leave it better for the next skipper; as a father of six the aim is to carve out community space in which my kids can thrive. If we catapult enough young adults into life with this attitude, things will coalesce as you mention.

Maus
Maus
Reply to  CAPT S
12 days ago

Agreed. The principle of subsidiarity must rule. My allegiance rises no higher than to the State of Jefferson. America no longer exists. Of course, we Jeffersonians look forward to treaties of peace, amity and mutual support with other white enclaves. We especially welcome aid in our wars to exclude the pernicious meddling of the bantu lands of San Fecescrisco, Oaklandia and Los Diablos del Sur.

Marko
Marko
12 days ago

Except for parts of the South, what appeals to normal Americans is not “white lives matter” or “migrants not welcome”. It’s freedom, God, and hating on commies. This leads to civic nationalist organizations on this side of the Atlantic. And for people that want to join organizations, only those organizations are experiencing surges in interest. I’m not passing judgment; just stating the facts here.

Reply to  Marko
12 days ago

Civnattery can be the foundation of nothing worthwhile. If that’s the best we’ve got, then we might as well hang it up right now.

SixxSigma
SixxSigma
12 days ago

From a Canadian on 4chan: The left will win because their strategy is superior to the right. AOC (or someone like her) will be president in 2040. The left restructured and dropped the working class. Instead it applied the same dynamic (promising higher status to lower status people) to groups who are currently low status due to biological reasons: women, blacks, Low IQ brown Hispanics, homosexuals, transexuals, the mentally ill, the retarded, the ugly…etc. That’s why they push everything from BLM to fat acceptance to body shaming positivity. When combined these low status people make up the majority, all people… Read more »

Joey Jünger
Joey Jünger
Reply to  SixxSigma
12 days ago

I think the term came from Spandrell at Bloody Shovel (at least, that’s where I first saw it): Bioleninism.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Joey Jünger
12 days ago

Spandrell coined the phrase. He knows BioLeninism is comprised of outgroups who hate one another but thinks it has long-term durability. I don’t agree with that part. In fact, one takeaway from the riots is only feral communist Whites and blacks are down with the current madness. Every word GoodWhites utter to the contrary is a lie, ultimately, and they are voting with their feet as they are being literally expelled from their well-manicured shitholes. The brown part of that coalition is watching and not participating. There already was a rift between them and blacks and it has been exacerbated.… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Joey Jünger
12 days ago

True, and credit to SixxSigma for explaining it better.

Edit: woops, Compsci said it first, below. I’m interrupting in my haste.

(And, unimportantly, embarrassed at being such a mess yesterday.

Worried about something found in a dark corner, I should’ve just spit it out.

Apologies to all.)

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Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Alzaebo
12 days ago

No one’s ideas here are copyrighted. Take what seems good and spread the word. By all my teachers, I am made wiser.

threestars
threestars
Member
Reply to  Joey Jünger
12 days ago

That term always annoyed me as it implies some substantial difference outside of the actual demographics involved. The working class are (almost) always the least biologically gifted in a homogeneous society.

Hell, Lenin et al actually did phrase it on ethnic grounds as oppressed non-Russians vs. oppressive Russians back in the early days. So what’s the point in adding a “bio” instead of a “neo”?

Programmers should stick to their programming, methinks, and people should put in the effort to get their humanities education from books, not spergy blogs.

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Reply to  threestars
11 days ago

Lenin: “The working class is revolutionary or it is nothing.”

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  SixxSigma
12 days ago

I can’t think of anyone on the left who understands that biology is the reason for inequality. Most will shriek if you point that out.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Wolf Barney
12 days ago

There are in the Left’s movement, “useful idiots”. Those who cling to the fallacy of “equality” are just that. They are foot soldiers and therefore cannon fodder. Those running things at the top have no such delusion. We—as the average DR—work at the lower levels of these things, so you and I most often interact with those “true” believers in the rank and file Left, if we interact at all. But never underestimate the understanding of those at the top.

usNthem
usNthem
Reply to  Compsci
12 days ago

There’s no doubt that those at the top of the leftard food chain know the score, but you’ll never hear them utter such blasphemy – probably even in private – let alone public. Of course that makes them all the more evil, for they’re the ones who’ve directed the indoctrination that’s poisoned so many lives in so many different ways.

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Reply to  Wolf Barney
12 days ago

After decades of social conditioning, anybody who ain’t us will shriek and recoil in horror if you so much as hint at biology despite the majority who interact with other races know the role biology plays.

Reply to  Wolf Barney
12 days ago

But they believe “Science is real!”

ZerohTollrants
ZerohTollrants
Reply to  Wolf Barney
11 days ago

Every leftist understands the biological reality of the situation way more than any Alt rightist.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  SixxSigma
12 days ago

Well put. Best summary I’ve heard.

Dave
Dave
Reply to  SixxSigma
12 days ago

Bioleninism is the best path to power if your goal in life is to lord over a fourth-world cannibal holocaust. Though chances are you won’t be Stalin, you’ll be one of the millions of party members he had killed.

b123
b123
Reply to  SixxSigma
12 days ago

Yeah, until the “right” accepts that they are actually racist, and biology/in group preference matters, they will keep losing.

“I’m not racist, BUT” is always a losing argument. “Actually, yes, I want X because it is good for our people” is a winning and irrefutable argument.

Optics do matter, going around being a racist sperg isn’t the same as calmly defending your own group interests.

Bigtony
Bigtony
Reply to  b123
12 days ago

Thanks for the reality check haha. I’m constantly flummoxed at white mens’ terror at the racist charge.
Clearly the judgement about an individuals capacities based solely on ethnic background is ridiculous. But to think there are no discernible patterns? Haha

b123
b123
Reply to  Bigtony
12 days ago

From the Bell Curve:

Measures of intelligence have reliable statistical relationships with important social phenomena, but they are limited tool for deciding what to make of any given individual.

Basically NAXALT, but as a whole AXALT especially tribal 3rd worlders.

Reply to  b123
12 days ago

Murray speaking code where “social phenomena” equal races.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  SixxSigma
12 days ago

Yep. And then they Genocide us.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  MemeWarVet
12 days ago

That’s just it, they already tried.

This ‘They Live caliber psyops’ is because the gun misfired.

Worse, it wasn’t a spill of the virus. It might’ve been a spill of the ‘vaccine’.

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b123
b123
Reply to  SixxSigma
12 days ago

Importing low IQ blacks and browns into white nations, telling them that they’re equal to us in every way (or better) and that they are special and deserve success, is cruel.

Not surprisingly they don’t (and can’t) meet the standards of our society. The cognitive dissonance makes them resentful, and that constant megaphone saying “it’s whiteys’ systematic racism” is enough to set them off.

I feel sympathy for a Pakistani guy trying to date in the West. We would all be much happier in our own countries, with our own systems designed to suit our biological strengths and weaknesses.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  b123
12 days ago

It’s not just cruel, it’s suicidal.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  b123
12 days ago

That’s where me and the BLM blacks agreed. We each have our own ways, we each want the same thing: separate living places.

Take their kids out of our schools.
The three-legged stool is based on home, school, church.

The biggest, first mistake was forced integration of the schools- those posse comitatus soldiers had fixed bayonets pointed at White kids.

Royaliste
Royaliste
Reply to  b123
12 days ago

Well said.

Phoenix
Phoenix
Reply to  b123
11 days ago

You feel sorry for the invaders..That is stupid on it’s face because just being here is a huge step up for them.
And until people stop the cucking and the virtue signalling and the feeling sorry for those who are replacing them, they will continue being destroyed.
Does anyone think that other races sit around worrying about them??

Bilejones
Member
Reply to  SixxSigma
11 days ago

Sailer picked up on this. His example is that the primary goal of the new wave of NYT female journalists is to remake standards of beauty .

Irishfarmer
Irishfarmer
12 days ago

I think the difficulty people are having understanding the importance and usefulness of PR is we are often still stuck in the old modes of thinking. Violence and revolution are how change has often been made in our history. What we may be forgetting is that that change led us here to the brink of destruction in the first place. It isnt likely to start paying off now when even more is at stake. I have talked to a person who wanted to have a clash with leftists in the streets and when I tried to talk him out of… Read more »

Rò-jay
Rò-jay
Reply to  thezman
12 days ago

and a background check.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  thezman
12 days ago

From an old sci-fi novel:

  1. Lieutenants can’t marry
  2. Captains may marry
  3. Majors must marry

It’s a “skin in the game” argument. First, it proves someone can put up with one’s BS 24/7 (shows self regulation at all times). Second, it demonstrates commitment even/esp though the future I is uncertain. Finally demonstrates leading by example.

Doubly so by having kids. I don’t trust high level political leadership who don’t marry one gal and have kids with her. (The Zman excepted, of course)

Maus
Maus
Reply to  thezman
12 days ago

Your analogy to sales points to a key distinction that frustrates a significant portion of the DR. Your view is that good optics illuminates the value proposition to normies much as a good sales pitch. That is that threats (violence) or false promises (equality) don’t sell. The counterpoint is that the value proposition should be self-evident; and if it has to be sold at all, the buyers aren’t worth association. If normies can’t realize that diversity is a weakness and whites must segregate for their own benefit and advancement, then let them drown in the tidal wave of brown filth… Read more »

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  thezman
12 days ago

I’ve met few sales guys who are not willing to compromise the product or tell lies about it to make the sale. Sales guys are always asking product development, “Make the product do X.” Developers say, “But that’s not a good way of doing it.” Sales guy: “But that’s what the customer wants!” Developer: “OK, submit a feature request for it.” Sales guy to prospect: “It’s on the roadmap!” What does that mean in terms of dissident politics? Probably what it has always meant for all politics. Compromise in the name of winning until one day the customer (citizen/voter) wakes… Read more »

ZerohTollrants
ZerohTollrants
Reply to  Vizzini
11 days ago

Anyone not willing to tell the occasional white lie about the product they’re selling, is a poor salesman. It’s why my husband has 5xs the knowledge & experience, but I still outsell him.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  ZerohTollrants
10 days ago

And there you go, making my point for me.

“White lie” is just a rationalization that makes it a little less difficult to look at yourself in the mirror every day.

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Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  thezman
12 days ago

Politicians are salesmen.

So are we, let your light shine.
Even the Woke are missionaries.

Paul Martin
Paul Martin
Member
Reply to  thezman
11 days ago

I like the Billy Mays approach (may he RIP). Personalize the message w a friendly, trustworthy face

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Irishfarmer
12 days ago

Those “hot heads” in the ranks can also compare and contrast with those who heed Z-man’s advice. But we must first create/organize his proposed alternative. My personal disposition is toward what Z-man suggests. I’m not a rabble rousing, counter demonstrating, street fighter—regardless of understanding of weapons and tactics. Those are a last resort.

Guest
Guest
Reply to  Irishfarmer
12 days ago

To the best of my knowledge, in modern history there are exactly zero examples of right-leaning movements that have risen to power, or even managed just to contain the left, without the presence of street-level fighters willing and able to commit violence. Anyone arguing that the world has somehow magically changed and such fighters are no longer necessary bears the burden of explaining precisely what your plan is to counter the violence of Antifa and BLM. I’m all ears. This movement will need fighters and it will need tacticians and strategists to direct them. There needs to be plausible deniability… Read more »

Whiskey
Whiskey
Reply to  Guest
12 days ago

Asked: What modern movement got rid of the Left without a street force?
Answered: Pinochet in Chile, Fujimori in Peru. In both cases they used the military. Which was fed up with the Left and viewed them rightly as an existential threat to their institutions.
Free Helicopter rides happened because not just Generals but Captains and Majors figured the Left would certainly shoot them and their families.

Guest
Guest
Reply to  Whiskey
12 days ago

The military *were* the street forces in those cases. Try again.

You never get tired of being wrong in any of these forums, do you?

Joey Jünger
Joey Jünger
12 days ago

A successful movement needs different sets of skills at different levels. If some normie/middle-class guy like Rand Paul has to risk death to get from a restaurant/convention to his car (with his wife in tow), you’re going to need that “football” contingent, or whatever you want to call it. If the cops are incapable of performing basic duties, as you asserted (correctly) then basic security/defense will need to be handled, and sometimes by people who might tread dirt onto your carpet when they carry you home after saving you in a brawl you didn’t even know you were in until… Read more »

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Reply to  Joey Jünger
12 days ago

Snipers. Lots and lots of snipers. Enough to take out 40% of the population with a single volley. And then we can discuss salesmen.

TomA
TomA
Reply to  Welcome to Walmart!
12 days ago

The disease is a small fraction of the host body, so chopping off both your legs is crippling not curing. Focus on the few who actually do damage. Firearms are for hunting and self-defense. Think outside the box. Technology is your friend. Use what you know. Accidents happen.

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Reply to  TomA
12 days ago

They fear no harm. This enables and imbues them with great confidence. Strip that away with life or death consequences or you’ll never “rehabilitate” the survivors. We are at war, just you wait and see.

Reply to  Welcome to Walmart!
12 days ago

Agreed. Once ANTIFABLM suffers appreciable loss of life, its ardor for violence and destruction may dampen. Having said that, this activity is part of the hot war. Z’s community-building/PR project is on the cool side of the equation. Both are necessary.

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Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
12 days ago

I’ll not be calling in airstrikes anytime soon. But the war has gone hot, which means that while Z’s approach is welcome it will likely not be very efficacious this juncture. Antifa will learn from its current self-destructive patterns, reform and redirect. I expect them to begin assassinating thinly-protected opponents such as the Goya CEO and Pelosi’s hair salon owner.

Reply to  Welcome to Walmart!
12 days ago

But the objectives of your approach and Z’s are different, albeit complimentary. Our side can and should inflict real pain on ANTIFABLM. Simultaneously, however, we need effective methods to recruit normcons to our side. Both things have to occur if we are to succeed.

Calsdad
Calsdad
Reply to  Welcome to Walmart!
12 days ago

I keep telling people: less Kyle Rittenhouse and more DC Beltway sniper.

Read this post about surveilling Antifah rallies:
https://survivalblog.com/intelligence-gathering-protests-j-d/

“Ethan” should be a known person – so that when the inevitable street battles being – “Ethan” has a target on his back.

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Reply to  Calsdad
12 days ago

In a street battle against Antifa, your first target will be the guy who’s being talked to by the other guy holding a radio. Then you address the radio dude. Next, any of them wearing armor beginning with professional-class armor suite down to the homemade stuff. Obviously anyone shooting at your side should receive priority ad hoc.

“Ethan” doesn’t need to be scouted in advance. You’ll be able to identify him once the shooting starts because he will be hiding behind the others and beside the radio guy.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Calsdad
12 days ago

It’s not good to talk about things like this here.

Apex Predator
Apex Predator
Reply to  Calsdad
12 days ago

I wish this post was a bit more prominent here. This is a phenomenal piece of intel and would qualify as “Baby’s First OpSec Guide and OODA Loop” If you are an armchair general with no real experience or simply interested in how it all works on the ground this is a nice starting block for how to become the “Gray Man” and navigate spaces unseen to collect massively valuable intel rather than go in with fists swinging like a retard. This is what Z is alluding to. A 10 man team who read that brief would be able to… Read more »

Sandmich
Reply to  Apex Predator
8 days ago

A ten man team of dissidents is guaranteed to be 25% spooks. Two 5-man teams or three 3-man cells would be better.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Joey Jünger
12 days ago

 If some normie/middle-class guy like Rand Paul has to risk death

Give me an effing break, he was surrounded by Secret Service agents, nobody even laid a hand on him.

Rand may be one of the less obnoxious congress critters, but he still sponsored the “Breonna Taylor Act” and never mentioned the name Cannon Hinnant.

Rand got what he fucking deserved.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Felix Krull
12 days ago

St. Breonna, the BLM ace-in-the-hole is portrayed as an innocent schoolteacher asleep in her bed.

No, her drug dealer boyfriend got raided, and started a shootout with the police.

He said he started firing because he thought the cops were her ex- dealer boyfriend, out of prison, come to shoot the current bf for taking the former bf’s girl.

We have our own ways of living.

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Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Alzaebo
12 days ago

A lot of middle-class people project their own circumstances onto the bottom classes. They would never have a drug dealer boyfriend, no less a drug-dealer ex-boyfriend. They assume having almost every man in your life having been arrested at least once is absurd. They assume that responding with violence to legitimate police action is crazy so nobody does it. It is almost impossible for me to convince people what the lives of the bottom classes are like without taking them around and showing them myself, and then they still don’t get it. You stop them in front of a nasty,… Read more »

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G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
12 days ago

I remember watching Phil Donahue back in the 80’s thinking people like Donahue live in a world that won’t work and they are creating their own problems to solve in their future. That was 40 years ago and it turned out to be true.
As for fellow Americans? I am doing better at engaging with people where they are at. Dissident politics opens eyes but not everyone is as interested as we who consume this stuff are. We got to meet them where they are at.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
12 days ago

Necessity is the mother of invention. The reason dissident politics isn’t mainstream (yet) is because everything still works. the Medicare is still being accepted, the Social Security disability checks are being cashed. The various welfare programs spanning from Federal to municipal programs are still going strong. All of this on printed (electronic) money, with 60% thrown on new Federal debt, while we service the old debt, and for the first time in 80 years or more, no one wanting to buy our bonds except The Fed. It’s a financial Pompeii that will eventually blow, and when it does, dissidents, being… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
12 days ago

Dissident politics is primarily nativist and must speak on a native level to win. If our superstate, spanning four time zones just on the mainland, can no longer speak to us regionally you have a serious problem, and we do. This is why I’ve always believed that we would need a breakup first. The pressures are building on this due to the great sort, which has been ongoing for 30 years, and the internet. With the internet you can finally see the kind of people that occupy your entire country, even if you never leave your town. Around 1996 people… Read more »

Tykebomb
Tykebomb
12 days ago

Guys, psychopaths and thugs do not make good soldiers. A posse of respectable middle class white fathers can commit violence just as well if things go bad.

The difference is that the broader world will know they are righteous and justified.

We merry few don’t need to embrace the same guys who have failed for 60 years or longer.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Tykebomb
12 days ago

Perhaps, but would such become another “Freikorps” with all the baggage that entailed? Good, respectable, fathers are not necessarily prepared/trained to do the necessary. Fighters needed, not martyrs. On the other hand, not sure what the alternative is when the chaos comes to your neighborhood.

Joey Jünger
Joey Jünger
Reply to  Compsci
12 days ago

It isn’t an either/or thing with sociopathy vs. being a respectable family guy. Look at our own Greatest Generation: A lot of guys who were cutting gold teeth out of Japanese soldiers’ mouths in Guadalcanal were walking the floors as salesmen in appliance stores or driving a Good Humor truck when they got back.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Joey Jünger
12 days ago

Yep, but those guys had a period of time to train and decondition to the level of effective warrior from nice guy normie. My greatest fear is that the conflict comes to the neighborhood and we have a bunch of guys standing on their lawns wondering what the ruckus is all about.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Compsci
12 days ago

The Freikorps were WW1 veterans, dads, and homeowners, and their sons who wanted to be just like dad, weren’t they?

Freeholders defending their cabins, with the father and the sons appearing with axes at their door.

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Reply to  Tykebomb
12 days ago

Respectable middle class white millenial fathers might defend their individual homes but they will never coalesce into small units and bring organized violence beyond them. Respectable dads will not risk their status even when justified. Consider the white parents of minority-on-white murder victims who empathize with the killers and lend public support to them instead of demanding justice like every ither group does.

Compsci
Compsci
Reply to  Welcome to Walmart!
12 days ago

That’s what must be worked on when the time comes. Pushing the slime balls into the next neighborhood is the “Neighborhood Watch” strategy. If that is practiced, then one has not defended one’s home and immediate neighborhood, they’ve simply put off the inevitable.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
12 days ago

“Mark Collett, the head of PA, has even booted a longtime friend from his group, when that friend could not behave himself.” You would think someone who was burned as badly as Collett was when he was 19 would have learned a lesson from it. If “optics” matter, Collett has to go. Not only did he put on the costume so the pretty people could boo at him and throw tomatoes at him when he was 19, but even recently there are pictures of him and his girlfriend covered in tattoos, and especially a very prominent swastika tattooed on her.… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  tarstarkas
12 days ago

This is my main, maybe my only problem with Z Man. It’s always about “optics.” We can’t have these dirty FTN people talk about Prussian Blue for five hours (it does get tedious and Aspergers, and is why fast forward buttons exist). What will “they” think of us? question is, who are “they” anyway? Society right? No, we’re not getting the Marin soccer mom. Her son Ethan could be gunned down by an illegal alien in his own driveway, brains splattered everywhere, and we still wouldn’t get Meghan. I know these mentally ill people quite well. But for every Marin… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  thezman
12 days ago

The cause is one of necessity. It will carry itself organically, some nodes of the movement won’t make it. Some will thrive. Some will become hybrid with other nodes. The customer is always right. You need the fancy wine bar (that would be this site) and the stogy old pub, V Dare, but you also need the dive bar down the street…and the craft brew pub next to that. Totally different nodes serving very different walks of life.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  thezman
12 days ago

I could use cancer as an example. If you want to kill the host (the globo-homo establishment) you need many different tumors. When the cancer patient (our establishment) takes the chemo and radiation (cancel culture, etc.) there’s always that one pesky tumor that won’t go away and keeps growing. And then they say, it’s on the liver now, you’re fukd. You never know which tumor will survive the gauntlet. And that’s the one that will carry us forward. While in truth the establishment is the cancer, Cancer actually has a great track record of killing its host, so I flipped… Read more »

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  JR Wirth
12 days ago

Committing suicide is a cure for cancer, but is it really the right cure? Also, it is situation dependent. If we were in a hot war with the left, I might actually agree. But we are in a propaganda phase. We want to make the other side look evil and our side good. When I was 6 years old, I knew who Adolf Hitler was and the one thing I knew about him was that he was a very, very bad man. This stuff is so embedded in our culture that a 6 year old is aware of it. Frankly,… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Reply to  thezman
10 days ago

Another straw man, Z.

You’ve said dozens of times that there isn’t one “Movement” or one leader for Our Thing. Yet you’re spending a post a week here since last winter counter-signaling the wignats.

Let the vanguard do what vanguards do. If you’re not comfortable with it, no one is demanding a loyalty oath and no one can – either in your big optics tent or the tip of the spear.

There is no “moral authority” involved here and by your own formulation, TRS is aiming for a different audience than AF, Fuentes, Casey et al.

Exile
Exile
Reply to  thezman
9 days ago

Anyone who has looked at SF in the last 10 years won’t confuse TRS with them. You’re conter-signalling for people you are hoping will simply accept your word for it and not take a look for themselves. That’s a low energy play for the lazy center. You really are getting cynical.

Exile
Exile
Reply to  thezman
9 days ago

More substance-free status-signalling.

Readers, take a look at both sites and judge for yourselves. Make the effort and use your own judgement.

I’m not wrong, Z, and you know it – but let them judge for themselves.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  JR Wirth
12 days ago

What is the point of talking about Prussian Blue for 5 hours? This was 80 years ago. Nobody cares and it’s a pointless waste of time, all downside and no upside. Why is ANYONE trying to rehabilitate the regime that brought complete and utter destruction to Germany? How many times do you have to fail before a change in tactics is warranted? Pressing random piano keys in a random order does not create music, it creates an annoying noise. Shooting yourself in the foot is not “bad optics.” Proving you are an even bigger monster than people thought you were… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  thezman
12 days ago

Not everyone can be shoehorned into a certain “purist dissident” way of thought. It’s a big world out there and different people respond to different things.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  JR Wirth
12 days ago

You are acting as if whatever they do is all benefit, even if that benefit is small. Maybe they bring disaffected young men who are angry. Let’s just assume they do that. That is the benefit. Now what are the costs?
You always have to look at something from a cost benefit analysis. People always want to act as if doing something only has benefits. Meanwhile, these same people poo-poo very low cost programs that have real tangible benefits like connecting like-minded family men.

Exile
Exile
Reply to  tarstarkas
10 days ago

Who are these horrible people who are holding “The Movement” back?

What “very low cost programs” are we talking about?

This oblique ankle-biting is typical of the optics crowd.

The manly honorable approach would be to have the courage to point fingers and name names.

This passive womanly back-biting isn’t exactly a strong-horse approach.

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JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  tarstarkas
12 days ago

It doesn’t…F-ing…matter. “There’s no upside!” “There’s no upside!”.. Are you the one rolling out of bed to podcast? I don’t listen to them for their Prussian Blue talks, and fast forward through that. I don’t even listen to them for their economic points (which are wrong by the way). I listen to them because most of their content is the stories of the day, and their take on it, and have a good time doing it, just like this site. If they want to indulge themselves with death camp stuff, that’s fine, all this shit is recorded now. I don’t… Read more »

Reply to  tarstarkas
12 days ago

Our side hardly needs to parade around in Nazi drag, but some much subtler, far less radioactive form of aesthetic identifier is good for us. Community is all about belonging. And symbols, some rooted in history, will foster belonging to a community.

Speaking of which, I sometimes think about what a flag or banner for our side would look like.

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Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
12 days ago

Our flag should comprise the silhouette of a viking shouldering a chipped battle axe with a human head perched atop a blade and standing jauntily on a pile of smashed skulls and viscera. The runic motto ‘what is best in life? to crush your enemies, march them befire you, amd listen to the lamentations of their women.’

But then I woke up from my nap and realized I’m not Vox Day and I never even dated his hot wife.

Reply to  Welcome to Walmart!
12 days ago

White obviously must figure prominently, but not to such an extent that it suggests surrender. Hence, probably not a white background. Beyond that, I’m open to suggestions.

Phoenix
Phoenix
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
11 days ago

How about the American flag? Adopt that and the leftists will then openly hate Anyone who associates with it. That will get all the people worth salvaging, on the same page..

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Exile
Exile
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
10 days ago

Designing the flag before we form the actual community has been a right-wing problem for decades.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  tarstarkas
12 days ago

 This was 80 years ago

It’s very much aujour d’hui, and it’s not about rehabilitating anything, it’s about de-fanging one of the most poisonous, anti-white memes ever concocted.

If it were taught in every classroom that the standard method of getting rid of old slaves in America was to chop them up and feed them to the dogs, would you also say “oh, that’s ancient history, let’s not rehabilitate slavery.”

And it is not just about the Germans, the Holocaust libel is being wielded at every European.

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Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Felix Krull
12 days ago

100%, Mis-tah Krull: I didn’t know any of that either, and there are always new students.

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Felix Krull
12 days ago

You know, I never weighed this. Very true, but it’s just so boring.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Felix Krull
12 days ago

They do the same stuff with slavery. I am just thankful they aren’t “helping” by exposing the lies of slavery. What you say is true. There is no reason America should be dotted with holocaust museums. We ain’t the ones who did it and it wasn’t done to us. Just like my city doesn’t have a major PT line’s stop named after the Holodomor or the Rwandan genocide. Yeah, this totally sucks. We are all broadly tarred with this brush. Still, I don’t think running face first into this kind of propaganda is very helpful, especially when the ones doing… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Reply to  tarstarkas
10 days ago

Until that propaganda stops being effective, you have to address it. War against the Holocaust may not be interesting to everyone, but the Holocaustians are interested in using it against you. Pretending it’s not important because “cringe, bro, we’re serious guys around here” is sticking your head in the sand for the sake of impressing the other side with your high manners – ala the tea-pinky conservative and paleo-con sets. As commenters above have noted, that’s been tried and it’s universally failed. But because of personal beefs and concern over manners, image and salemanship, we’re supposed to keep tilting at… Read more »

Exile
Exile
Reply to  Felix Krull
10 days ago

101% Felix – the ostrich approach is not going to make this venomous blood libel go away – it has to be debunked no matter how icky or boring some find the effort.

Vegetius
Vegetius
Reply to  tarstarkas
12 days ago

Mocking the Worst Thing That Ever Happened is not only fun it drives the Enemy batshit, because it is right out of their own playbook.
But I am afraid they have painted themselves into a corner with the orangemanbad pills, and seem otherwise out of content and no longer having fun. So a six million episode series on The Thing That Never Happened is a way of always having something to put out.
Maybe if Biden wins they will wake up.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  tarstarkas
12 days ago

“What is the point of talking about Prussian Blue for 5 hours?”

Because the ultimate reason that whites can’t collectivize is always because of the Holoc@ust lie.

Until we dismantle this blood libel, our people will always submit.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  JR Wirth
12 days ago

I’m one of those scumbags, and I’ve been buying suit coats at the Goodwill. Even got a couple of trousers now.

You’ve got to have something that makes you look up, lift your head in pride, strive to do better.

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  JR Wirth
12 days ago

JR, are you in Marin? I lived there for 12 years and loved it until I decided to flee. God, that place is beautiful but the people are suicidaly foolish!

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JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  thezman
12 days ago

Let them have their costumes. Let them do what they want. I have a totally different opinion on this. I see all dissident content as a giant buffet in Las Vegas and you don’t want to eat the f-ing chicken parm, you don’t have to eat it. We need to be more big-tent and entrepreneurial as dissidents. We don’t need any self-appointed seal’s of approval for this stuff. That’s how movements die. I don’t even like the term “our thing” because it’s self limiting. Now that’s unproductive.

Reply to  JR Wirth
12 days ago

Perhaps. But, at least from an ideological standpoint, there have to be boundaries and litmus tests. For instance, we cannot accept into our ranks those who support Third World immigration. We can and probably should be reasonable flexible when it comes to optics and grubby brawlers versus gentile theoreticians, but there must also be non-negotiable core beliefs.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
12 days ago

Another 100%.

Replacement is the #1 target.

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Anonymousse
Anonymousse
Reply to  JR Wirth
12 days ago

I want to build a building for my family to live in. I could bring in engineers and skilled welders and electricians… but eh… why not just let *literally anyone* show up and start operating the crane and driving bulldozers here and there around the construction site. Sure it *seems* like there are even people bringing in hand grenades and containers of termites as fast as they can, and they’re sort of chuckling and they hit my actual welder in the back with a hammer. But I mean it’s free labor and who am I to say who can and… Read more »

JR Wirth
JR Wirth
Reply to  Anonymousse
12 days ago

You’re talking about licensing engineers to build something on a plot of land that’s entirely owned by the current establishment.

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  thezman
12 days ago

I disagree. Redemption stories are powerful persuaders.

This is a great point.

I would only add that people should be aware how the power of anecdote has been leveraged by the media and the controllers to foment and perpetuate the Beer Flu hysteria in light of the available data.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  thezman
12 days ago

Collett can honestly say, “look, guys, I cleaned up my act.”

Exile
Exile
Reply to  thezman
10 days ago

The only thing Mark needed redemption from is possibly too much drinking – by his own account.

You’re package-dealing a lot of “wignattery’ into his “redemption arc” here. The important thing is that his politics, including his principled antisemtism, have not changed.

Third position politics are not a sin and we don’t need absolution or Fellow-White-washing for them.

Who are these “flag and costume” guys we keep hearing about?

We don’t need our own guys gas-canning the memes of crazy wignat supreemises.

No one with any footprint in the dissident Right today fits the devil suit you are ooga-boogaing about.

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BTP
Member
12 days ago

“Colored revolution.” Good stuff.

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12 days ago

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TomA
TomA
12 days ago

I applaud Z’s wise council on building grassroots unity and hope his political initiative succeeds. But in the event it doesn’t, not having a Plan B is even stupider than recruiting sociopaths. It seems to me that if the house is on fire, you’re not going to put it out by throwing a glass full of water at it over and over. The USA is dangerously close to being majority parasite. At some point, there is no blood left to suck.

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TomA
TomA
Reply to  thezman
12 days ago

We all contribute best according to our talents. I’m not a natural community organizer, so I can’t offer much in the way of significant aid to that cause. But I can figure out how to be extremely effective in beating a tyranny should one arise. That wisdom is worth sharing also.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  thezman
12 days ago

Great analogy, great film.

Reply to  Jack Dobson
12 days ago

Great series. I’ve got all of the original TZ episodes on DVD, and out of 156, at least 100 are very good to great. Yesterday I watched “Little Girl Lost.” Very suspenseful.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  thezman
12 days ago

2020 is the “Call of Cthulhu” election

LineInTheSand
LineInTheSand
Reply to  MemeWarVet
12 days ago

Pulling teeth, no anesthesia

Joey Jünger
Joey Jünger
Reply to  TomA
12 days ago

I usually stay out of the “Weimar Amerika” debate, because Weimar, Germany is my field of study so the stupid hurts when I hear these debates, but we are actually VERY close to that point right now, finally, where, who pays the tab at the local bar determines who can walk in that neighborhood without getting into a fistfight or knifed or shot (the Browns actually made inroads in red neighborhoods in Berlin because they bought more beer and were less rowdy). The other day I was driving in my neighborhood and saw two yard signs facing off with each… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Joey Jünger
12 days ago

Interesting. There are strong analogies in the government inaction in the face of rampant Jewish degeneracy and child rape and state-approved Marxist revolution that targeted and terrorized average Germans.

On a personal note, the few BLM signs around me have not gone without notice, to say the least, and the homeowners do not seem to know or care how despised they are. All GoodWhites, mind you, who live as far away as possible from blacks.

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Reply to  Joey Jünger
12 days ago

Down the street from where I live I saw a “Trump 2020, No More Bullshit” banner flying this morning. I like the implied threat that that banner contains, even if it probably doesn’t accurately convey what Trump’s reelection will mean.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
12 days ago

Trump 2020: I’ll impotently cringepost on Faceberg when ANTIFA murders my whole family

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
12 days ago

I broadly agree about optics. Jared Taylor and John Derbyshire come from the school of good optics, and make compelling cases for it. Still, optics have their limits. You can be as pure as Caesar’s wife and if you do not subscribe to the anti-White narrative you will be slandered and libeled and subjected to terror. We need a blend of both those involved in direct action and those who understand public relations. Obviously, direct action has limits, too. We see that with the state-sponsored domestic terrorists from BLM and Antifa. Even with the constant propaganda, corporate endorsements and their… Read more »

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Jack Dobson
12 days ago

I’d like to cheer the lawyers here and out there, and get a list of donation sites. These guys are front-line soldiers.

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Siddo
12 days ago

Speaking as an Englishman, that BLM Bollocks in the England has been an eye-opener for normies. This has really made people aware of their history, identity and culture.
Everyone I speak to has had a revelation about the agenda being forced upon them and it has made them think about race and their whiteness.
Nationalism is on the rise in England and about time too.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Siddo
12 days ago

The same has occurred in the States. BLM polled north of 70 percent prior to the riots and now is at 40 or so percent approval and dropping. Many Americans also have realized their local and federal governments provide protection to the terrorists. While the FBI and DOJ already had taken a hit due to their involvement in the failed coup attempt, they have fallen further into the gutter as people realize they are anti-White thugs paid by Jewish hate groups and other monstrous entities. The first step to dismantling this evil is discrediting it, and Antifa and BLM have… Read more »

IB Joe
IB Joe
Reply to  Jack Dobson
12 days ago

Just wait until you see the next coup.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Jack Dobson
12 days ago

Employing psychopaths and low-IQ jo99ers to do your bidding is not a good strategy.

Exile
Exile
Reply to  Epaminondas
9 days ago

Who is doing that? Why are we feeding the meme of “jnuckle-dragging wignats” around here?

CAPT S
CAPT S
Reply to  Siddo
12 days ago

As a son of an English mum, that’s great to hear. When I was a kid my granddad took me to a soccer match in London; he was wearing tweeds and tie, and required me to dress accordingly. We left the match mid-way when “the darkies” started their antics. On the way out he told me, “Those Pakis are going to be the death of this country, mark my word boy.” That was around fifty years ago.

abprosper
abprosper
12 days ago

Good article.
Your organization must be vetted since the other side likes to infiltrate and disrupt groups from within.
Also not everyone willing to fight politically or otherwise and with the same foes shares the same values or degree of impulse control.
Charlottesville taught us that.
That said never denounce the people fighting your enemies either. The media wants you to do this to sow division.
If you can’t avoid talking to the press which you should in any case where you are not the political officer, a super heavily vetted position ,let them handle it.

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Welcome to Walmart!
Reply to  abprosper
12 days ago

Charlottesville taught us that.

And it supports every tenet Z has offered.

Rerun time
Rerun time
12 days ago

Oh good, because this has never been tried. The Tea Party always suffered from being too rowdy, too Violent prone. Same with the MAGA crowd. Think of all the mayors that had to move, all the riots and arson because of the violent, masculine right.

In the end, violence never solves anything of course.

And… middle class types tend to get their checkbooks out for ad mavens on the make$.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
12 days ago
RoBG
RoBG
12 days ago

Today there was a protest at Dover over 5600 illegal migrants crossing the channel so far this year. (The US had ~9x that number just in August. We have ~5x the population of the UK and ~48x the amount of illegal immigrants.) This wouldn’t be happening if the people with real power didn’t want it to happen. Same as here.

Vegetius
Vegetius
12 days ago

The first rule of secret invisible Hitler club…