The Ash Heap Of History

In the fullness of time, the most important development in the Trump era will be the collapse of conservatism as a political movement. The official Right had been in crisis for a long time, but the old political dynamic had locked it in place. If you opposed the Left, the only alternative was conservatism. Trump did not usher in a new era, so much as discredit the old. The Left quickly redesigned to self as a defender of the status quo and institutional power, while the Right has collapsed.

Even at this early date, it has become a bit trite to note that American conservatism has collapsed over the last five years. Not only has it collapsed, in terms of its intellectual influence, but it has become a ridiculous joke. Even the jokes about it have started to sound a bit hackneyed, as the absurdity moves beyond satire. When a site calling itself The American Conservative is making “the conservative case” for explicitly anti-white pogroms, the jokes stop being funny.

Even so, it is worth looking at why the American Right has collapsed. The majority of white people in America have at one time or another considered themselves conservative or at least were open to it. There’s never been a majority in favor of Progressive reforms, yet those reformers have always carried the day, despite the opposition of the professional Right. It takes a special skill to lose so much despite having a numerical advantage in a democracy.

One obvious reason for the collapse of conservatism is that it lost all of its intellectual vigor decades ago. We live in an age of pygmies, but nowhere is that more obvious than with the professional Right. Half a century ago, the Right was teaming with serious thinkers. A couple of decades ago, National Review had a half a dozen or more quality thinkers and polemicists. Today, no one can think of a single writer or thinker on the Right that is worth a minute’s time.

That really is the striking thing about what has happened to America in general, but the Right in particular. It is as if anyone with the least bit of curiosity about the world has been driven off and replaced by former postal workers. The distinguishing feature of the American intellectual class is its doctrinaire dreariness. Everyone with anything on the ball and a curiosity about the world operates out on the fringes. The American intellectual class is a as vibrant as the surface of the moon.

Another facet of this, a byproduct of the suffocating dullness, is an inability of conservatives to examine how they came to this dead end. This piece in the American Mind, which is supposed to be the free-thinking outlet for conservatives looking to break free of the old modes of thought, is a good example. On the surface, it is supposed to be an analysis of the administrative state, which should mean the managerial state, but instead it means “big government” in the old hackneyed way.

Note that the writer takes as a given the basic assumptions of the Left. His opposition to what he describes as the administrative state, is that it is anti-democratic, prejudiced and discriminatory. This is the sort of complaint that was popular on the Left a generation ago, when they would attack corporate America. In the hands of conservatives, it becomes a complaint about having to deal with a thicket of bureaucrats down at the local motor vehicle department.

Even more ridiculous, their critique of the administrative state tries to use guilt by association to win over their enemies on the Left. You see, the roots of the administrative state are in the Confederacy! You see that my woke brothers? The thing you now control is every bit as racist and cis-gendered as those statues you are toppling all over the country. It is not just a rhetorical devise. Conservatives truly believe that current crisis is rooted in human preference.

The weird logic of modern conservative thinking is worth noting. Professor Hamburger seems to think the great obstacle to the Progressive dream of an egalitarian paradise are the tools the Left has been using to create that paradise. Not only will they agree to throw down their weapons, they will suddenly stop their aggression. It is a bizarre form of utopian thinking. It is even more bizarre, given that the greatest threat to individual liberty is woke capital, not the government.

What is even more striking about this is just how obtuse this line of thought is, given that within conservative intellectual traditions there are far better critiques. Within living memory, Samuel T. Francis and Paul Gottfried wrote extensively about the managerial state, building off the analysis of James Burnham. Perhaps it is understandable that Francis has been forgotten in conservative circles, but Gottfried is still around and active at publications like the American Conservative.

This gets back to the barren intellectual landscape in general, but the aridity of conservatism in particular. Modern conservatives operate in the lowest tier of intellectual discourse, which is the practical. This is where they debate where to move commas around the tax code and how to tinker with existing structures. The Left operates at the next tier, which focuses on the process. For them, the administrative state is one item in the toolkit they have in the war on the general culture.

What has been lost in this age is anyone that can look down about this dynamic between strategy and tactics and understand the ideas and historical forces that are carrying these combatants along. This should be the role of conservatism. It should be the engine producing a new moral and political paradigm to challenge the prevailing orthodoxy, but instead it is just an obstacle in the way of that process. This is why it has collapsed and is headed to the ash heap of history.

While Trump and the people around him are oblivious to his role in this historical period, their anti-intellectualism is the necessary agent to break the old dynamic. Conservatives have no answer for his blunt observations and the Left has had its skin peeled back to reveal its reptilian interior. Trump has been a clarifying event, one that will usher conservatism off the intellectual and political stage. What replaces it is something suited for the demographic age.

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whitney
Member
25 days ago

Teach us to love eternal truth

And seek its freedom everywhere

B123
B123
Reply to  whitney
25 days ago

Once Trump is gone, the cucks will take over the R party again and keep losing.

It’s their role. We will never be given freedom.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  B123
25 days ago

We will never be given freedom.

When has it ever been given?

B123
B123
Reply to  OrangeFrog
25 days ago

Exactly.

jim regina
jim regina
Reply to  OrangeFrog
25 days ago

Reminds me of feminists demanding their freedom….you NEVER DEMAND it, it shows subservience…. you TAKE it !!

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  B123
25 days ago

No one gives freedom. You take it, c.f the entire history of this country.

Some Guy
Some Guy
Reply to  B123
25 days ago

The GOP establishment is already salivating over Marco Rubio and Nimrata Haley taking the reins. That way when they are annihilated in the 2024 general election and usher in one party Democrat rule once and for all, conservatives can slyly grin that Democrats were the real racists after all.

Miranda
Miranda
Reply to  Some Guy
23 days ago

The annihilation is next month

F117-A
F117-A
Reply to  whitney
25 days ago

Just in case anyone is curious, I’m posting a collection of “The Conservative Case For” articles from supposedly conservative publications The American Conservative and The National Review. After going through this stuff, please tell me how these publications aren’t controlled opposition propaganda for the left and the democrat party (perhaps literally — Google did pay off the National Review, after all). Keep in mind that this list is not all inclusive. You should also note that — mysteriously — many of these articles were written in 2015 and 2016. My guess is that they were pre-cucking in anticipation that Hillary… Read more »

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
25 days ago

> . This piece in the American Mind, which is supposed to be the free-thinking outlet for conservatives looking to break free of the old modes of thought, is a good example. 
American Mind is a strange conglomeration of boring old Conservative platitudes and serious discussions of dissident right thought. You get some major intellectual whiplash reading a vapid article like the above after just reading several debates about BAP on the same site.

Glenfilthie
Glenfilthie
Member
Reply to  Chet Rollins
25 days ago

I wonder if perhaps we are not seeing things in the rear view mirror correctly. You are correct that most of Conservative Inc. doesn’t really think. For years, diversity was the political kill-shot for Leftie. We conservatives weren’t multicultural. We did not tolerate the ways of vibrants or respect them. That made us evil nazis that had to be cast aside, and in some cases abused, beaten, and even killed. Every single time the race card was played, we were effectively trumped, if you’ll pardon the pun. I think what you are seeing is less ‘cucking’ than some half wit… Read more »

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Glenfilthie
25 days ago

Not to mention a foreign group cannot conserve anything. “Conservatism” doesn’t exactly have a good track record anywhere, let alone where the group trying to conserve anything is made up of immigrants and the sons of immigrants. How can a bunch of Semites ‘conserve’ an English society? It is as foreign to them as clownworld is to us.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
25 days ago

Note that the writer takes as a given the basic assumptions of the Left. This occurred to me yesterday, as I was reading Robert Tomb’s The English and Their History. The basic ideas of equality for all, of the terrors of racism and sexism are all considered by Tomb’s to be legitimate things that should be promoted in a healthy society. So it is with other ‘right wing’ thinkers. It is the old premises that require demolishing, and the best way to do this is to ensure they are never baked into a juvenile’s skull in the first place. For… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  OrangeFrog
25 days ago

It’s impossible to have the society they want with a sizable black population

How is this complicated? ….boggles the mind

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Falcone
25 days ago

Everyone used to now this fundamental truth. And when this truth was spoken about it was often not in a hateful way – at least not from my readings of the history of the British Empire. I dare say this approach was true in the US as well. The solution is so simple, yet so far away that I may never see it applied on a national level in my lifetime: proud whites who understand that civilization is their own. Here in the UK, it is ‘Black History Month’ apparently, a joyous event where one can see all manner of… Read more »

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  OrangeFrog
25 days ago

Yes, for all the chaff and obfuscation it is rather simple: think before the era of decolonization and after decolonization. Rhodesia then, Zimbabwe now. Congo then, Congo now. South Africa then; South Africa spiraling now. With all that said, NAXALT too.

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OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Jim Smith
25 days ago

Rhodes started out with his pioneering force in 1890. He had with him just 500 members of the Chartered Company Police in addition to a collection of farmers and miners looking to make a buck. And of course the obligatory caravan of Africans doing the hauling work. In a couple of years they had built up Salisbury and taken Bulawayo. The period 1890-1970 (or whenever UDI was declared, I cannot recall) is testament to what a group of men can build in only a short time. Of course, these men were not hated by their own mother country. Also, they… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  OrangeFrog
25 days ago

Same psychology as two people wanting to keep a marriage together for what it could have been when love was in the air and the future was bright

I get it. Very hard to let go. But other white people are at some point going to have to face life and accept that the dream never came true and won’t be coming true so time to move on.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Falcone
25 days ago

I get it. Very hard to let go. But other white people are at some point going to have to face life and accept that the dream never came true and won’t be coming true so time to move on.
More like the dream was a sugar coated nightmare and if they don’t wake up to that fact and fight against it then they will be eliminated by it…

pyrrhus
Reply to  Falcone
25 days ago

As Fred as frequently pointed out in his columns, divorce is essential and inevitable…

Phoenix
Phoenix
Reply to  Falcone
25 days ago

The power and the reach of the modern fake media has created an alter world.

Virtually no-one talks about how this power towers above all else.

Also, no-one knows yet what the limits are in terms of the level of mind control that can be achieved..

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Phoenix
25 days ago

The power and the reach of the modern fake media has created an alter world. This is very true. And for any person coming to realize that it is all a bit fishy, an important first step is to memorize and understand the history of your people. The period 1800-2000 has seen an unprecedented amount of high quality scholarship that is easy to access. Even now, I believe that there is plenty of excellent scholarship that is suppressed but still available. But then again, most people seem to like their current state of ignorance. Also, no-one knows yet what the… Read more »

abprosper
abprosper
Reply to  Falcone
25 days ago

Actually putting the US to rights if it survives at all means putting ideology ahead of everything else and probably means upwards of 50 million dead and a permanent end to the current world order Its too damned scary to consider for a lot of people. That future would be a far better place to have a family and bring up kids as well as having a superficial resemblance to the America of yore but to the current elite, its a new country entirely hostile to their ilk, brutally nationalist, socially authoritarian and more than a little paranoid. Worst of… Read more »

Mark Auld
Mark Auld
Reply to  OrangeFrog
25 days ago

I would submit to you several Brits worth their weight currently in the public square; Peter Hitchins, Douglas Murray,Ed Dutton, and the short well-known conservative historian known for BBC docs whose name escapes me now. They are all clear bright lights on our side, swimming against the tide.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Mark Auld
25 days ago

Good point. To be honest, I am surprised that Hitchens is still allowed to write for The Mail on Sunday. His column is really too decent for most others that are his colleagues. He was dis-invited from the debate lightweight talk show Question Time, almost certainly for his views – frequently he’d refer to ‘the calamity of mass immigration’ which I always liked. Perhaps the best thing about Hitchens is that he has been and remains a thoroughly decent man. I am not sure he would venture into the waters here, but in his youth he was a communist and… Read more »

Mark Auld
Mark Auld
Reply to  OrangeFrog
25 days ago

Yes indeed twas Prof. Starkey, witty and irreverent enough that I can overlook his queer affliction.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Mark Auld
25 days ago

Yes, both Murray and Starkey ‘bat for the other side’ which doesn’t sit well with me. But, and particularly in Murray’s case, it is a very effective tool when debating some types. I am sure this also gets them past Level 1 gatekeepers.

Also, it helps that both men are not vulgar or in your face about said opposition batting.

Member
Reply to  OrangeFrog
25 days ago

I’ve never minded dignified queers, particularly the ones on our side. Of course part of that dignity has to come from opposing nonsense like gay marriage and gay adoption. Still there always were plenty of such men. The Left didn’t find them useful enough though and so went with the leather-and-buttplug crowd since they were interested in people they could use as a battering ram against traditional institutions.

Presbyter
Presbyter
Reply to  pozymandias
25 days ago

Ah yes, the Great Stately Homos of England. An old tradition.

threestars
threestars
Member
Reply to  Mark Auld
25 days ago

Peter Hitchens and Douglas Murray are nowhere near the level of Dutton. The guy was hosting a podcast with Richard Spencer, after all. The two are closer to Theodor Dalrymple.

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  OrangeFrog
25 days ago

The need to get into education and influence children is probably the number one thing we need to ‘win’ and that is precisely why they so jealously guard key positions within education. “We need to homeschool” is very typically conservative where we give ground to the left while trying to work around what the left does rather than take them on headfirst. Homeschooling may be of monumental importance as a tactic, it is a terrible strategy. A strategic retreat is still a retreat and only extends the day the white flags go up. It’s not like the homeschooling isn’t already… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  tarstarkas
25 days ago

First off do you even have kids? Second putting them in public schools is child abuse because of their developing brains…We homeschool until enough parents wake up to the one room schoolhouse option which we are in the process of getting together…

tarstarkas
tarstarkas
Reply to  Lineman
25 days ago

I am not disagreeing with the concept. We do need to do it, but it is a temporary measure at best. Most cannot homeschool and we are funding the schools. As usual, we take on extra responsibility costing us time and effort and they get paid damn good money to thwart us. Homeschooling is a temporary measure, not a strategy. It must happen in concert with taking back all things children. I think you underestimate how converged everything aimed at children really is. You cannot even put your children in the Boy Scouts. Even the Boy Scouts will steadily erode… Read more »

Bartleby the Scrivner
Bartleby the Scrivner
Reply to  Lineman
25 days ago

Lord, I wish you were in my area. Not for my kids,(they’re 30), but for my sisters’ kids. Two little boys and a girl. I told them I would pay anything necessary for them to home school their kids. I would even get whatever credentials were needed to teach. Alas, they are in a “good school district”.
You can lead a horse to water…

Sid
Sid
Member
Reply to  tarstarkas
25 days ago

Depends on the homeschool curriculum my friend. 2 hrs counter currents social studies and ftn deepdives daily would be salubrious. Maybe some myth20 to make sure they well-rounded.

Forever Templar
Forever Templar
Reply to  Sid
24 days ago

If you wanted a human meme engine, just hand them off to Reddit.

Michael
Michael
25 days ago

From the American Conservative: This anthem, in other words, is less part of the 1619 narrative—one which sees the country as based in racism and forever stained by it—than that of King’s “I Have a Dream” speech, in which he envisioned “a nation [that] will rise up and live out the true meaning of its creed: ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal.’” Johnson, like King, was fully aware of the “dark past” but hopeful for an America that would be inclusive (to use today’s jargon), unified in honoring its ideals.  It takes a special kind of… Read more »

Chet Rollins
Chet Rollins
Reply to  Michael
25 days ago

A few years after his I Have a Dream speech he was colluding with violent black gangs (but be nonviolent, wink-wink), and marching in ethnic neighborhoods to intimidate the locals.
If he would have lived, he’d be saying the same race hustling poison the right attacks Jesse Jackson for.
The FBI tapes can’t come soon enough.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Chet Rollins
25 days ago

The Haitian template is ALWAYS going to be the foundation for any pro-black movement, they will just be better at concealing it

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Chet Rollins
25 days ago

Depending on who is in power then, I would say there’s a very good chance those tapes will never be released.

Member
Reply to  Chet Rollins
25 days ago

The best thing that ever happened to King was that bullet. Without it, he would have devolved into something like Al Sharpton crossed with ‘ol Mayor Marion Barry of D.C. I’m sure his coke fueled sex parties would have been a running gag for years. Hell, he might have ended up as mayor of D.C. or Detroit himself!

Krustykurmudgeon
Krustykurmudgeon
Reply to  pozymandias
25 days ago

I kind of wonder if his handler – that being stanley levinson – was behind his assassination. He clearly had outlived his usefulness

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Michael
25 days ago

What’s so funny is is that INXS was basically singing a song about this racial crap and even calling it the Original Sin in early 1980s and dopey professors and academics and “intellectuals” are just getting around to it

Took INXS 3 minutes to size up the situation in a pop song but has taken these dim bulbs decades

The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Michael
25 days ago

 ‘….all men are created equal.’

But they aren’t.

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OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
25 days ago

That sounds like a case of BadThink right there, sir.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
25 days ago

How about this then: “All men should be treated equally under the law.” Hmmm?

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Jim Smith
25 days ago

Isn’t it ironic that when “All men are created equal” was penned, it was understood to mean “under law”, rather than of ability. Today, however, we treat men “unequally” under law, e.g., AA, and assume/understand men to be “equal” in ability.

We stand the Declaration on its head, yet not a word of the original Declaration has been changed.

Last edited 25 days ago by CompscI
Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  CompscI
25 days ago

I favor equality among equals.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Jim Smith
25 days ago

Nope, I won’t even go for that one. If one is a citizen and the other is an illegal squatter, then they do not have the same rights and responsibilities and the law ought not treat them the same. If one man (even a White) has a 90 IQ and the other 140, again they have differing abilities and understanding and ought not be treated the same.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Jim Smith
25 days ago

How about this? All men should be judged by their own laws in their own distinct countries.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  The Wild Geese Howard
25 days ago

More important, neither are all PEOPLES.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
25 days ago

 My God, man, you have been on fire lately as we slouch toward the gulags. Excellent analysis. There’s never been a majority in favor of Progressive reforms, yet those reformers have always carried the day, despite the opposition of the professional Right.  Strong horse/weak horse, amirite? Generals who prematurely announce surrender tend to lose. Shocking, that. These leaders tend to lose foot soldiers first. Why would anyone stick out their necks for a Paul Ryan or John Cornyn? Answer: they mostly won’t any longer. The last “thought leaders” were of the paleo persuasion. Some of them actually are still around… Read more »

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Jack Dobson
25 days ago

The short-term strategy is just to survive and set up our own communities, but we need to be realistic that the Left will go into any hill or valley looking for Bad Thought, and likely violently in the near term.
Setting up our own Communities is a strategy for long term survival because when the left comes looking do you want to be by yourself with maybe just your family or in a Community of like-minded people…

Sid
Sid
Member
Reply to  Lineman
25 days ago

An Appalachian corridor and the free west. We can conquer the Mississippi watershed piecemeal.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Sid
25 days ago

Yea exactly right we can pick up the pieces one by one as they fail if we have our own AO squared away to fight from…

Sid
Sid
Member
Reply to  Lineman
25 days ago

Lol “conquer” sounds cooler. But of course you’re correct. If one can roll in and feed em, probably sufficient. Suppose it would be necessary to round up and massacre the criminal gangs of too low quality to deputize.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Jack Dobson
25 days ago

Why would anyone stick out their necks for a Paul Ryan (gone) or John Cornyn?” INDEED. Not to mention a John Kasich (gone), or John McCain (gone), or Bob Corker (gone), or Jeff Flake (gone), or Mitt Romney or Lisa Murkowski (both to be gone over the next few years). We can go on like this all day. The GOP is being remade, and longtime pols like Mitch McConnell (2.0), Lindsay Graham (2.0) and Kevin McCarthy (2.0) have the brains to see which way the wind is blowing.

Some Guy
Some Guy
Reply to  Jim Smith
25 days ago

Never hurts to keep it in perspective. I remember when Tom DeLay, John Boehner, and Glenn Beck were the boogeymen of the left. Today they’d be laughed off of the stage at a Charlie Kirk rally. The right is doing a slow purge but it’s going too slow as we race against the clock of demographic change.

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Jim Smith
25 days ago

Sometimes it is easy to overlook how much has shifted politically, but the question has to be if it is too late. I think it is too late if the silver bullet has to be electoral politics alone. They are useful as one of many tools but not an end unto themselves.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Jack Dobson
24 days ago

Agreed.

H I
H I
25 days ago

Mr. Bloom, the editor of the American Conservative, has been busy lately with doxing BAP. One benefit of the latest lunacy has been to reveal that people like Ben Shapiro and Bloom are controlled opposition, gatekeepers rather than gateways.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  H I
25 days ago

Now that Shapiro is in Nashville, $5 he starts pushing JJJ “conservative” political candidates in Tennessee.

Severian
25 days ago

People kept laughing at me when I pointed out that the Whigs were still seriously contending for the Presidency in 1856, but totally gone by 1860. And they died for the same reason the Republican Party is dying now — refusal to confront the only issue that matters, while the Democrats make that their only issue (in the exact wrong way). Also, just for giggles, I skimmed that piece about the “Confederate roots of the administrative state.” There’s actually the germ of a correct argument in there — political historian Richard Bensel wrote a book back in the days called… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Severian
25 days ago

Here’s the kicker: the writer, Dan McLaughlin, is considered one of the superior legal minds among the Buckleyite conservatives. Here’s the worst part: he is.

Gravity Denier
Gravity Denier
Reply to  Jack Dobson
24 days ago

That’s funny. Jack, you’re cookin’ today.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Severian
25 days ago

The more I learn about the history of the Republican party and its psychotic abolitionists, the more I want nothing to do with them and find myself increasingly giddy at its spiraling down the drain

T. Morris
T. Morris
Reply to  Falcone
25 days ago

The party’s coming full circle.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Falcone
25 days ago

so i guess the choice is between psychotic abolitionists and psychotic abortionists? 😛

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Karl McHungus
25 days ago

Isn’t that the truth lol

That’s why they call it a “shit sandwich”

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Falcone
25 days ago

Times change and parties change Falcone. Today’s Republican Party isn’t the GOP of yesterday, and the Democrat Party today is no longer the party of the Solid South as it was in the (distant) past.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Severian
25 days ago

It’s almost as shocking that the Whigs actually won the election as late as 1848

Severian
Reply to  MemeWarVet
25 days ago

They would’ve put up a good fight in 1852, as well, if not for a terrible incumbent and third party(-ish) shenanigans. Not that the Dems were much better, finally nominating Franklin Pierce on the 32nd ballot at their convention. (The joke at the time: the choice was between General Scott and General Pierce, but the winner was General Apathy). The only issue that mattered was slavery, and that was the one issue both parties refused to discuss, though everybody knew the Dems were all in on it, and the Whigs… kinda… weren’t…sorta… or something…. because the economy…. hey, does this… Read more »

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
25 days ago

The moral framework of “that’s racist!” is ingrained deeply. Over the weekend I saw a tweet from Andy Ngo, the little fellow who seems to be everywhere reporting on the riots, showing video of the No F— Around Coalition, armed and marching and demanding a black separate nation. Many of the responses said things like “go back to Africa,” although a lot of the responses show how stuck inside today’s approved morality they are by pointing out how racist this group is. They would shriek “reverse racism!” or “they want to go back to segregation!” First thing I thought was,… Read more »

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The Wild Geese Howard
The Wild Geese Howard
Reply to  Wolf Barney
25 days ago

Speaking of Andy, he just posted a Tweet that clearly documents White women are a huge driver of the current mess:

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1313004049680146432?s=19

BTP
Member
Reply to  Wolf Barney
25 days ago

Florida, though, ok? Like, from a line south of Orlando or something?

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  BTP
25 days ago

I can live with that, as long as my hometown of Tampa gets a carveout 😉

It’s very valuable port, ya know

BTP
Member
Reply to  Falcone
25 days ago

I just hope y’all can make it worth losing Disney World. Earn this!

Hoagie
Hoagie
Reply to  Wolf Barney
25 days ago

Let’s give them Somalia and be done with it.

Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Hoagie
25 days ago

That should be prime real estate, but leave it to those glorified cavemen to do nothing with it (actually negative nothing). It’s kind of like how Haiti should do better than Dominican Republic since they have the clear blue Caribbean on their side while DR does not, and yet…

B123
B123
Reply to  Wolf Barney
25 days ago

“they want to go back to segregation!”

Yes.

And let’s not just stop with Africans, while we’re at it.

Sid
Sid
Member
Reply to  Wolf Barney
25 days ago

Yeah, aceeding to their demands is a little fantasy of mine. “Here is ticket and 15k cash reparations. Enjoy Liberia, they have agreed to grant you citizenship. Good luck!”

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Sid
25 days ago

When James Madison wished to free his slaves to Liberia, they petitioned to be sold. (Which he did. To a relation.)

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Wolf Barney
25 days ago

Give ’em Mississippi and Alabama or Georgia and South Carolina. The whites in those states are so consumed with college football that they might even be willing to live under the thumb of the nuggras.

Epaminondas
Member
25 days ago

“Trump has been a clarifying event, one that will usher conservatism off the intellectual and political stage.” And this raises the question: where will all these Romney reptiles end up? When you suggest they join the Democrat party because they already share that philosophy, they splutter and call you a nazi. Which gives you an idea of who they are. Liz Cheney is actually the current Chairman of the GOP and was the catalyst for getting the GOP to denounce Q Anon and white supremacists, thereby linking all dissident voices to the far right. Naturally, the GOP pols cucked and… Read more »

Jack Dobson
Jack Dobson
Reply to  Epaminondas
25 days ago

The fact that Liz Cheney, the closeted dyke daughter of a legacy war criminal, is in public life is on its face laughable. I will celebrate the day the GOP is erased from the face of the Earth, which probably will come when they run a Nikki Haley type in 2024 and carry only a handful of states.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Jack Dobson
25 days ago

she isn’t closeted

ronehjr
ronehjr
Reply to  Karl McHungus
25 days ago

No she’s not. What’s even worse is she is not gagged.

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Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  ronehjr
25 days ago

i’ll gag her 😛

Diversity Heretic
Member
Reply to  Jack Dobson
25 days ago

I wonder if by 2028 the Republican Party will carry as many states as did George Wallace in 1968. There have been blowout presidential elections before (1964, 1972, 1980 and 1984) but the demographics ensured that if the losing party changed leadership and modified its position it could come back. I don’t think that that will be true of the Republican Party and it will likely go the way of the Whig Party in the 1850s. It would be ideal if it were to be replaced by a core white/white identitarian party, but I think whites will still be too… Read more »

Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
25 days ago

It will have to start out regionally. You’ll know something good is happening when someone from a “red” area gets voted in under a party other than the GOP for something even minor like small-town mayor.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Jack Dobson
25 days ago

Jack, the Democrat Party has been taken over by America-hating communists. The GOP is changing as well. Let’s wait to see what it becomes before gleefully dancing on its grave.

Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Jim Smith
25 days ago

It does seem like a lot of people would rather not got down with the ship, not sure they’ll get a choice though.

Member
Reply to  Jim Smith
25 days ago

Due to the 2 party system it seems that taking over a party is the only real way things can change radically. This does happen though. Witness the ideological swap that occurred in the parties around 1970-1980. Personally, I consider myself a Trumpist more than a Republican. What needs to happen is for Trumpists to start taking over the party and give the country-club traitors and globalists the boot. I was too optimistic after 2016 because I thought that Trumpers would understand that the party apparatus had to be destroyed and replaced. There were still too many Civnats who did… Read more »

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Epaminondas
25 days ago

she screwed the pooch recently and is done now. so is halley.

Owlman
Owlman
Reply to  Epaminondas
25 days ago

“…the GOP to denounce Q Anon…”

Ooops, I thought they denounced Qbert.

And thought they denounced the little orange critter because either he was:

  1. Orange, which makes him “bad” in current paradigm.
  2. Had no arms, so he would be unable to embrace peoples of all races, colors and creeds, seeing as arms are a requirement for this act of unity*.

*In modern COVID era, hugging without arms may be the state supported method.

So, yeah like whew! Qbert is apparently in the clear although I hear whispering that he is an Orange Supremicist.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Epaminondas
25 days ago

Getting the GOP to denounce Q Anon and white supremacists, thereby linking all dissident voices to the far right. Naturally, the GOP pols cucked and went along.” Not quite, Epaminondas: Trump did not.

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Jim Smith
25 days ago

I did not say he did.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Epaminondas
25 days ago

Should we not conflate “the GOP” with Trump, its leader and highest elected official? (I’m not attacking you, E, just pointing out that Trump is not one of the teeming GOP cucks; it gives my always-creeping-optimism some hope.)

Epaminondas
Member
Reply to  Jim Smith
25 days ago

Trump calls himself a Republican. But the pols do not consider him one of the club. He still stands outside it.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Epaminondas
25 days ago

True. That’s why I’m pulling for Trump to prevail over “the club” (corrupt as it is) and thereby remake the Republican Party.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Epaminondas
25 days ago

All one has to do to discern Trump’s politics is look at his donation history. It’s public record.

John Smith
John Smith
Reply to  Epaminondas
25 days ago

The “parties” exist to distract the proles. Liz Cheney is a member of the CFR and Dick Cheney is a former CFR director. The CFR and its interlocking affiliates have dominated US policy since WW2. Most of the Fed chairmen and secretaries of State, Treasury, Defense and CIA have been CFR members. Also presidents Eisenhower, Kennedy, Nixon, Ford, Carter, Bush, and Clinton.

Jack Boniface
Jack Boniface
Member
25 days ago

The movement went comatose when Buckley perpetrated his final purge in 1997, appointing henchman Rich Lowry the Dull in his place to exile Sailer, Brimelow and all immigration patriots. This year the movement’s coma has ended with death.

Paul
Paul
Reply to  Jack Boniface
25 days ago

National Review has so systematically purged all of its brilliant writers that it raises questions about your intellect and integrity if you haven’t been purged.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Jack Boniface
25 days ago

it went comatose after coolidge left office.

Falcone
Falcone
25 days ago

I’m surprised the movie is not as big, but when pealing back their skin to reveal their reptilian interior, brings to mind scenes in Devil’s Advocate

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Falcone
25 days ago

or V

WCiv...---...
WCiv...---...
25 days ago

Deep thoughts? Latter man. We’re in survival mode. Stop thinking, start doing. Western Civilization is under attack and we need to fight back. Eggheads step aside. Secession? Pockets of resistance, exercise your gun rights, form communities, allies, white enclaves, prepping. There will be time enough latter for political philosophizing once we make sure we have a latter.

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Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  WCiv...---...
25 days ago

As I wrote in my comment, we’re moving from the Ideological Age to the Demographic Age. Conservative Inc. and these writers either don’t understand this or refuse to accept it because they’ve been conditioned to fear being called a racist more than anything.

The Demographic Age, both within countries and between countries, will be about race and nationalism. These authors write about a world that is dying quickly and thus are comically superfluous.

Horace
Horace
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
25 days ago

“…. we’re moving from the Ideological Age to the Demographic Age.”

Ideology is a luxury afforded by tribes that have secured their lands against other tribes.

WCiv...---...
WCiv...---...
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
24 days ago

From Ideological age to Demographic age. Nicely put. High brow, low brow. Ideology, stage 2. Ideas and Logic. Demographics, stage 1. Demos. People. No ideas, no logic, pure survival. We are primitives fighting for survival so that we can afterwards define an ideology.

threestars
threestars
Member
Reply to  WCiv...---...
25 days ago

*later. Why not both? All successful movement in history started with political philosophizing. Arguably, it makes the difference between a political movement and a bunch of fringe weirdos. You know, I get the feeling that all this flack the intellectual part of our movement sometimes gets is engendered by a type of resentment so common on the left. “If I can’t be a thinker, then thinking is bad and no one should be doing it” isn’t all that different to fat acceptance or complaining about “slut shaming”. I actually saw all-out “fat acceptance” — right down to demonizing people who… Read more »

WCiv...---...
WCiv...---...
Reply to  WCiv...---...
25 days ago

Later. Sorry.

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MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
25 days ago

As fun as it is to pile dirt on Conservative Inc’s corpse, the most important question for us is: what comes next?

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  MemeWarVet
25 days ago

Zman has provided the answer to “what comes next” in the recent past: “A passive ethno-nationalism organized around group identity and rights” (worth re-reading in light of today’s discussion).

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Jim Smith
25 days ago

We’d like that to be the case, but will it?

I have a very hard time seeing large numbers of Whites older than 25 ever accepting any form of ethnonationalism; even if it means their own extermination.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  MemeWarVet
25 days ago

That remains to be seen, Meme. The imminent possibility of being wiped out, not to mention being targeted by the government if you’re white, might wonderfully concentrate some minds.

Lol passive
Lol passive
Reply to  Jim Smith
25 days ago

We’re already so passive we’re history, soon to literally be a heap of ashes. Lol.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  MemeWarVet
25 days ago

If Ben Shapiro is going to Nashville, tells you where this is all heading: whites regrouping into the south and hills and he follows hoping to make a buck

John Smith
John Smith
Reply to  Falcone
25 days ago

Nashville, which used to be the home of “country” music, is more like Hollywood east nowdays. Also, Democrat run and nearly 50% POC.

Mis(ter)Anthrope
Reply to  MemeWarVet
25 days ago

Yeah, the same question came to my mind. As long as the upper middle class and the elites continue to live comfortable lives, I don’t think much will change. The pain is currently being felt by working class whites. Who will step up and defend their interests? The powerful on the left and right see them as the only group that is fair game to attack these days. Just a bunch of “white trash.” Until I see “intellectuals” on the right defending their white brothers who may not have as many iq points as they do, I will remain very… Read more »

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Mis(ter)Anthrope
25 days ago

ever spent any time around working class any-color? they are assholes and idiots. now of course i am talking about actual people,and not the romanticized version of this group. plebes gotta plebe, i guess…

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Karl McHungus
25 days ago

Oh Karl you are definitely the senile old uncle of the party who has lucid moments and then some straight up crazy ones…

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Lineman
25 days ago

no, just lots of experience around plebes. if you could afford to move out of plebe areas, you would too.

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Karl McHungus
25 days ago

I’m sorry you’re such a bitter old man…

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Lineman
25 days ago

haha then you are in for some good news, life is sweet for me 🙂 the best part? you are paying for it!

Lineman
Lineman
Reply to  Karl McHungus
25 days ago

So you’re a liar as well as a thief because I remember you saying you were to broke and old to move…That doesn’t surprise me…

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Lineman
24 days ago

nope,never said that. probably some guy your mom was banging.

Barnard
Barnard
Reply to  Karl McHungus
25 days ago

I don’t know why you are getting slammed for this. Anyone who has had to manage white working class employees knows they are, on average, a train wreck. Sure there are some bright ones and some who do get drug down by others, but the majority suffer from self inflicted problems. Unless these people are completely denying that men have agency in their lives. The Founders didn’t want them voting for a reason.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Barnard
25 days ago

May you be condemned to manage a workforce full of blacks for eternity.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Karl McHungus
25 days ago

None-the-less, the group you talk about is where the future recruits for the cause come from. In any population grouping, those on the left side of the curve are 50%. One discounts that number at one’s peril.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  CompscI
25 days ago

i agree with your point; just calling a spade a spade. historically, the working class has been prone to radicalization and support for tyrants. so take that into consideration. the trouble with Don Zuixote’s quest for a new political party, is his failure to define it coherently. just who is it going to appeal to, and why? how about a manifesto, as some kind of a map? my view is that 60+% of the electorate is open to a new party/ maybe Trump starts and leads it, maybe someone else. but the gop and dems are going to be reduced… Read more »

hera
hera
Reply to  Karl McHungus
25 days ago

The history of totalitarianism is the upper middle class supporting it more than the general population. In the 20th century if you wanted to know if a movement was genocidal you just had to check if it had more support from the elite than the plebes. Paul Johnson in “Modern Times” notes that academics intellectuals and wealthy students in particula rloved exterminatory ideologies. The Khmer Rouge was the classicexample of spoilt rich kids destroying their country for a lark.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  hera
24 days ago

tell that to the SA.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Karl McHungus
25 days ago

Yeah whatever. ‘Plebs’ don’t take pains to hide their flaws. Cocaine flows on Wall St, Silicon Valley is hooked on adderall, Washington is full of lawyers, and I’d bet a shocking number of doctors are serial killers. There’s scum at all levels of society.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Paintersforms
25 days ago

Yeah whatever” hahahaha did i make your brain hurt?

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Karl McHungus
25 days ago

Hemorrhoids acting up?

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Paintersforms
24 days ago

no, but i made your mom’s pretty sore.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Karl McHungus
24 days ago

Ha!

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  Karl McHungus
25 days ago

Yes, I have, you asshole.

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Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Vizzini
25 days ago

well, tell us about it. show why i am an asshole for pointing out an objective observable fact?

Mis(ter)Anthrope
Reply to  Karl McHungus
25 days ago

Yes, I have. In fact, those are my roots.

And even though I have been an attorney for 30 plus years, I am still far more comfortable roasting a pig and drinking beer with rednecks than I am being around superficial jerks who think their high iq’s make them special.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Mis(ter)Anthrope
25 days ago

KM may be a superficial jerk, but I don’t think he has a high IQ.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
24 days ago

higher than yours!

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Mis(ter)Anthrope
24 days ago

once a plebe, always a plebe. do you by any chance still live with these noble people? do you keep a car up on blocks, on our front lawn, too? like all attorneys, you are completely full of shit.

Dennis Roe
Dennis Roe
Reply to  Karl McHungus
25 days ago

Eat shit and die, Kunt McDingus.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Dennis Roe
24 days ago

uhm, karl is already a made up name, so…

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Mis(ter)Anthrope
25 days ago

The pain is being felt much wider than that The “upper class” disdain for working class whites was always personal and a coping mechanism for their own fragile status. Most “upper class” whites come from the working and middle class. Their attitude is “life is about making the right choices, and I made the choices to put myself in a position to make money. You didn’t, so no sympathy from me. You were out getting high when I was working my way through school” Etc etc If I hear normie say “Life is about choices” one more time I may… Read more »

David wright
Member
Reply to  Falcone
25 days ago

Best take of the day. I am surprised you didn’t mention Kevin Williamson as some one who is ashamed of his working class roots. They are the worst.

Cameron
Cameron
25 days ago

“You see, the roots of the administrative state are in the Confederacy! You see that my woke brothers?”
 
A friend (libertarian leaning) at work has suggested that the origins of modern woke/leftist “group rights” is in the Founders’ (Calhoun in particular) use of group rights to justify slavery. Apparently, this is a popular argument with an entire book written on it.

Carl B.
Carl B.
Reply to  Cameron
25 days ago

A “popular argument” that is sheer lunacy.

Cameron
Cameron
Reply to  Carl B.
25 days ago

You’ll get no argument from me. They’re desperate for liberal arguments to use against leftists – heaven forbid they come over to the dark side.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Cameron
25 days ago

The best and unassailable argument is simply “I want something better and different and what you have to offer stinks and you can keep it. Bye now. Nice knowing ya.”

Libs derive their power by the sense they have us trapped in their morality. Once we tell them, Nope, they go ballistic and don’t know what to do.

3g4me
3g4me
Reply to  Cameron
25 days ago

That’s a concern I share. Everyone else appears eager to ‘convert the normies,’ but I would really doubt the legitimacy and commitment of someone who has waited this late to accept reality. And even if they accept some degree of race realism, they won’t truly be able to jettison that poisonous belief in the supposed virtue of equality. Any sort of White community of the future will have to be extremely selective about its leadership.

Sand Wasp
Reply to  3g4me
25 days ago

Yes.

I dont know know how to convince others, because nobody ever convinced me.

I have had a visceral opposition to mass migration since childhood.

I went out seeking older thinkers who helped me fill in the gaps, but they didn’t convince me of anything.

Cameron
Cameron
Reply to  Sand Wasp
24 days ago

The boys when I grew up (in the 1980s) were anti-immigration and, arguably, race-nationalist. Boys used to sing (to the tune of “Marching Along”):
“Fire two!, Fire three!
As we bomb the refugees!
Those Haitians keep marchin’ along!”
South Florida had a lot of Haitians coming over.
People have been heavily propagandized.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Cameron
25 days ago

That is a level of stupid that simply won’t survive the period of punctuated evolution we are entering into

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  MemeWarVet
25 days ago

period of punctuated evolution” please explain this phrase, as it is nonsensical.

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  Karl McHungus
25 days ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Punctuated_equilibrium?wprov=sfti1

“Punctuated Evolution” is the part where the evolution happens.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  MemeWarVet
25 days ago

ok, thanks for the reference. it’s still made up nonsense, but it’s someone else’s nonsense.

also, from the article, PE is where evolution *appears* to stall out.

the thing about evolution, is it is for the most part based on luck. a species starts adapting to a particular environment, and then the environment changes rapidly. oops. adaptation can never keep up with the pace of environmental change – unless the latter enters a period of relative quiescence.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  MemeWarVet
25 days ago

Pushed along by accelerated natural selection.

Vizzini
Vizzini
Reply to  MemeWarVet
25 days ago

Stephen Jay Gould’s desperate flailing attempt to paper over the flaws in his beloved theory.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Vizzini
25 days ago

that’s how it looked to me too. it was Hawkings-esque.

SamlAdams
SamlAdams
Reply to  Cameron
25 days ago

That is precisely Kendi’s argument. Had to sit through a mandatory corporate struggle session with him as the featured speaker. Kept trying to picture him in a high collared shirt, cravat, and claw hammer coat expounding in the 1840s Senate.

BTP
Member
Reply to  Cameron
25 days ago

Yeah – I just came across something along those lines. Calhoun was advancing the idea of a “concurrent majority.” Basically the idea that a minority should have the ability to prevent legislation – a sort of Tribune’s veto – because these minorities are vital parts of the nation and the nation can’t make important moves without broad consensus from all these elements. Simple majorities can’t maintain legitimacy. Calhoun was arguing that the numerically smaller southern states could not be coerced to go against their interests no matter what the majority said simply for this reason. That he was self-evidently correct… Read more »

MemeWarVet
MemeWarVet
Reply to  BTP
25 days ago

Calhoun was a fascinating guy – was in office a LONG time and steadily watched the South’s power slip away in the House. He knew what was coming and tried hard to get his fellow Southrons prepared to meet it.

Carl B.
Carl B.
25 days ago

Quote:

“Today, no one can think of a single writer or thinker on the Right that is worth a minute’s time.”

Victor Davis Hanson. Other than him there is indeed no one.

Dutch
Dutch
Reply to  Carl B.
25 days ago

Angelo Codevilla

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Dutch
25 days ago

Codevilla is by far the most interesting political writer around.

Karl McHungus
Karl McHungus
Reply to  Carl B.
25 days ago

except he just writes the same thing, over, and over, and over. like any other academic…

Owlman
Owlman
Reply to  Carl B.
25 days ago

Agreed. Unlike his “conservative” peers, VDH actually appears to THINK on issues. Plus, he does not have to fake gravitas.

Diversity Heretic
Member
Reply to  Owlman
25 days ago

Victor Davis Hanson is a good writer. His book Mexifornia was a major part of my own awakening to race realism. But he remains a foreign policy neocon who seems spoiling for a fight with the whole world on behalf of Israel.

Owlman
Owlman
Reply to  Diversity Heretic
25 days ago

I won’t dispute that opinion as I am not that deeply read into VDH. I do like his sober take during interviews, as regards leftists.

Also, find me a Conservative that does NOT want to play modern-day Lawrence of Arabia.

Alzaebo
Alzaebo
Reply to  Owlman
24 days ago

Lawrence’s nephew created the IDF.

No, he wasn’t Tribal, but part of the Great Game- the Oil Spy wars.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  Carl B.
25 days ago

Michael Anton. Bronze Age Pervert. Pat Buchanan. Zman. Curtis Yarvin. Spandrell. Paul Gottfried. Steve Sailer. Peter Brimelow. John Derbyshire.

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threestars
threestars
Member
Reply to  Jim Smith
25 days ago

BAP, Moldbug, and Spandrell are cringe crackpots who for the most part just reiterate Conservative Revolution ideas (without crediting their authors, either because of narcissism or simple ignorance, not yet sure which) mixed with inanities common to intelligent 16 year-olds. (I’m not kidding, I though of the same “state being run like a corporation idea” as Moldbug back when I was in hs.) I’m surprised you didn’t mention Kurt Doolittle in the same breath as Paul Gottfried and Brimelow tbqh

threestars
threestars
Member
Reply to  Carl B.
25 days ago

Already mentioned Heather MacDonald in another comment.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Carl B.
25 days ago

Mark Steyn got the demographics angle right along time ago. He is a gifted, funny writer as well. Unfortunately, he has had a lot of success on the talking head shows, which is a much shallower format, and he has no time for writing.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  DLS
25 days ago

He may be blacklisted among some of his former publishers now that they’re “woke.”

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Carl B.
25 days ago

Roger Kimball. John Derbyshire.

ProZNoV
ProZNoV
Reply to  Carl B.
25 days ago

Rod Dreher is beginning to figure out that the coming tsunami is unstoppable. “The Benedict Option” and “Live Not By Lies” may be right wing grifting, but do attempt to propose how to preserve oneself and one’s loved ones for the coming darkness.

Kesselfieber
25 days ago

Or maybe it’s just that conservatism has exhausted itself. Maybe the idea of conserving those olden ways was always, itself, flawed. I’m a reactionary, not a conservative. I see modernity itself as the great beast, the enemy that has blighted our world and destroyed most of its beauty and splendor. I don’t want to conserve anything. I want to systematically demolish this horrible, ugly present order and replace it with something grand, natural and organic. I base my aspirations on natural law, on those tried and tested methods of auld. In that fashion, perhaps, I am a conservative after all.… Read more »

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OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Kesselfieber
25 days ago

I believe we need a new religion for this great awakening, too. I suspect that anything touting to be a new religion would just be seen by many as a modern cult and be promptly discarded. If one had to select a religion, would you not want to start out with something that had at least stood the test of time? Regardless of what people may say about Christianity’s beginnings, it still has an awful lot of clout. We probably need to stop naming things right off the bat before having any experience with using them. Rather, practical things that… Read more »

B123
B123
Reply to  Kesselfieber
25 days ago

Going back to the 50s would literally just set the clock back 70 years. We’d wind up right here again.

Unfortunately, we are surrounded by monsters, who want us dead. When I read that the white leftists and POC want to kill us all, I fully believe them. They want to weaken, disarm, and then slaughter us.

Yes, we will need to waken our inner savage to survive. It will he epic.

G Lordon Giddy
G Lordon Giddy
25 days ago

People like Gottfried got pushed out of polite society. Gottfried could not be labeled a anti semite as they labeled Pat Buchanan since he is a Jew but the term “racist” and “ white nationalist” was easily tagged to Gottfried since he is a white man.
The left has a very powerful weapon in that they define the words in our society, which makes it risky for us to raise up thought leaders.
Which is why we should be thankful for your work here if only it was more we’ll known.
Hopefully it will be in time.

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onezeno
Reply to  G Lordon Giddy
25 days ago

I don’t see why getting pushed out of polite society should be such a curse, not these days anyway.

One of Many Georges
One of Many Georges
25 days ago

Before the imprimator of an Official Publication lent an article authority; now the only result is to make people doubt its veracity at the outset! The amazing thing is that in the internet ecosystem, ideas bubble up from the tiniest platforms–this blog, for instance. Maybe I’m just flattering /us/ and myself, but not only do Z’s ideas, but also top-rated comments including my own, start appearing in the alt-light and alt-light adjacent conservatives (such as the newly-redpilled Matt Walsh.) And then on to people like Tucker Carlson and Ann Coulter (tragedy that she got cut out of the loop) and… Read more »

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  One of Many Georges
25 days ago

Matt Walsh: It’s astonishing to see his red-pilled transformation. Not very long ago, Walsh was one of the targets of the Groypers, along with Charlie Kirk and Dan Crenshaw.

B123
B123
Reply to  Wolf Barney
25 days ago

Maybe the Groypers actually got to him.

Like, they are objectively correct. And Walsh is also not one of (them).

Or, he’s just a grifter trying to subvert us again.

Hilltop
Hilltop
25 days ago

One thing that the Zman has argued very well is the importance of moral arguements instead of ridiculous economic or statistical ones.

In the era of social media, you’ve got to boil it down to something simple and repetitive. Things like you have a moral duty to stick up for your own people. And remind them that people who don’t are traitors. And always, always point out that our opponents are bad people. Hammer these relentlessly.

If memes are the break-the-conditioning entry point of /our thing/, then clear moral dictums are the reinforce-the-new-conditioning follow-up step.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Hilltop
25 days ago

If I may add: Moral duty = marriage and children. It’s not a lifestyle choice. It’s your duty and for something bigger than yourself.

A tough sell? I don’t think so. Once young men and women see coupling as something required of them, all those current complications of dating and finding the right one disappear. These young people are hungry for it, the men especially are. Women will fall in line. They always do.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
25 days ago

We are moving from the Ideological Age to the Demographic Age. The big battles both within countries and among countries will surround race and nationalism. The Dems live and breath racial politics and thus are equipped to operate in this environment. The GOP refuses to leave the Ideological Age and abhors the thought of the Demographic Age. As a result, the GOP – as constituted – will die, like an animal unable to adapt to a new environment or a company that refuses to alter its product in face of a changing marketplace. The question is what comes next. Does… Read more »

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
25 days ago

The question is what comes next. Does a party representing Whites emerge? Where would such a party perform, or be permitted to perform? I am not too familiar with the system in the US, but from what other commenters write here it seems reasonable that a few states would be the ‘hold outs’ for said disaffected whites. Could a new party, even if it dominated in a few states resist the federal onslaught? Guess it depends on how far the cancer spreads down to county/town level. Furthermore, if the GOP does die then what would this look like? If it… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  OrangeFrog
25 days ago

I don’t see how a pro white party can exist within the current moral and political framework. I think this is why we have to “drop out” and just live our lives, I guess something akin to the Amish. I don’t mind it. I hate politics anyway, so if I can insulate myself from it in a community of like-minded folk who have my back and vice versa, I’ll take it. Pretty much all I can seek to attain and hope for at this juncture.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Falcone
25 days ago

This is pretty much where I’m at. Drop out, hang with the like-minded, throw sand in the gears whenever possible, take care of yourself and those you care about, don’t feed the beast whenever possible.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Falcone
25 days ago

Yes, I don’t see a “White” part either explicitly or implicitly. TPTB would never allow it and 80% of Whites have been too conditioned to accept it.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
25 days ago

Old joke, crude but telling:
What do you call the one black guy sitting in a bar when in walk 10 other blacks?

A n—-er

Something similar happens with whites. Get them alone in a room together, or a community, etc. and what they really think and feel comes out. All we need to do is get ourselves into these communities and reach a critical mass where people aren’t afraid to let their hair down. Everything will naturally follow.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Falcone
25 days ago

Problem is that the Amish are allowed by the majority of Whites to “drop out” and their smallish numbers don’t (at this time) present a particular threat. Doubtful any significant number of DR-type Whites can do this and not attract attention.

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Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  CompscI
25 days ago

I think a great strategy for us would be to move en masse to Virginia, pile up around DC. Imagine that if all of a sudden there are hundred thousands of DRs sitting right outside their gates. Talk about a game changer. They wouldn’t know what hit them. We become both an intellectual and a direct physical threat and/or counterbalance.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  CompscI
25 days ago

The Amish have the same problems as the Latin Americans.

Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Falcone
25 days ago

Maybe not pro-white, but maybe not too keen on the Jew-Black-Wasp alliance. The only people with any love for the people in that grouping are the people inside of it…and for whatever reason normie-cons.

Chester White
Chester White
Reply to  Falcone
25 days ago

If you don’t find politics, it will find you.

Jim Smith
Jim Smith
Reply to  OrangeFrog
25 days ago

As Pat Buchanan has noted, the GOP is the de facto White Party now.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
25 days ago

Does a party representing Whites emerge?

It doesn’t matter. If it did, it would be subverted by the usual suspects long before it got to be a real threat, and then we’d have to start over with a new party until they got subverted and so forth.

Due to proportional representation, parties representing white Europeans have been in parliament all over the continent for more than twenty years now – thirty years in Denmark’s case – and one by one they go globalist as they’re getting within striking range of actual power.

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Felix Krull
25 days ago

one by one they go globalist as they’re getting within striking range of actual power.

Felix, I am sure I read about a resurgence of ‘populism’ and ‘anti-immigrant sentiment’ in some Danish political party over the last couple of years. I cannot remember the party’s name, but assume they suffered the same fate?

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  OrangeFrog
25 days ago

I cannot remember the party’s name, but assume they suffered the same fate? The Danish People’s Party and yes, they did exactly that: once they were voted up to become the next-largest party in parliament in 2015, they stabbed their voters in the back. As of this day, there is not one single nationalist member of the Danish parliament. The same happened with UKIP: when the Brits actually voted to leave the EU, Farage jumped ship right before the finishing line and immediately started pissing into the party, and very effectively so. When UKIP finally found their feet again under… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Felix Krull
25 days ago

You’re right, and it worries me. I’ve always held out hope that Europe could turn this around. The feeling of being French or English or Danish is much stronger than American Whites have. White Southerners used to think that way, but I’m not sure if even they still feel it.

Regardless, I still hope that you guys can push back. You have much stronger feelings of tribe and, speaking of tribes, a certain tribe doesn’t seem to have quite the stranglehold on things over there (Britain excluded) as here, which also gives you a chance.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
25 days ago

It’s still there, but the reality is is that some of the best and brightest went to the cities and left behind the completely average and the non-risk-takers. I see it in Los Angeles. There are probably more confederates and sympathizers out here than in the south now. That’s just one example. Yes, we are outnumbered, but we are pretty fierce. We haven’t been run out of town yet despite their best efforts. Every decent size city in the country has people like this. If you can get them concentrated, watch out.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
25 days ago

 I’ve always held out hope that Europe could turn this around.  It’s (almost) as easy to buy five parties as to buy two. The voting base is there, but it never translates into actual influence. Besides, Danish parliamentarians don’t have much real influence to begin with, not when it comes to the important stuff. They take their marching orders from Berlin, Brussels and Washington. For a lot of reasons (that we’ve discussed before) I do believe Continetal Europe is in better shape to resist globohomo, but we’ve not even begun to feel the pressure yet. At the moment, the globalists… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Felix Krull
25 days ago

I know Italy well, not much else in Europe except maybe France. But I think the same thing there is a problem as is here, and that is the like-minded are scattered, often because their talents have brought them to the cities. And the same “solution” holds, they need to congregate in a certain region and build locally, then regionally. It’s our only real hope at this point. That said, America is one brilliant preacher away from turning this country on its head. One preacher who can make Christianity meaningful to white people, for white people, with passion, with reason,… Read more »

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Falcone
25 days ago

That’s been the problem for a long time. The talented leave for opportunities instead of creating them where they grew up (and sacrificing earnings/reputation). Call it selfishness, shortsightedness, lack of tribal feelings, whatever.

hera
hera
Reply to  Felix Krull
25 days ago

Continental Europe excluding France and Sweden
France and Sweden ae the most post Western countries I’ve visited.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
25 days ago

Whites must stop thinking in terms of parties and begin thinking in terms of polities.

John Smith
John Smith
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
25 days ago

We should work with anyone willing to uphold civilized values and individual liberty. We should oppose anyone who does not.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
24 days ago

Yes, and of policies rather than political programs. Be a multiple issue voter: I vote on immigration, (duh), energy policy and on getting Commies off the public payroll. That’s why I favor Krullocracy as a political system; for Europe at least – it wouldn’t work as well in the USA. Krullocracy is basically a combination of direct and indirect democracy. It works like this: You put every issue on the legislative agenda to a referendum, letting people vote from their smartphone. Then, because people can’t be arsed to do it themselves, you let them appoint representatives to do the voting… Read more »

OrangeFrog
OrangeFrog
Reply to  Felix Krull
24 days ago

Of course, it would probably take a sovereign bankruptcy or two before the voters learned that money doesn’t grow on trees, but we’ve weathered plenty of those before and it’s a small price to get the borders sealed.

Heh. I don’t mind trading in Monopoly money or Zimbabwean Dollars… Just keep me away from diversity and its hateful commissars.

Felix Krull
Member
Reply to  Felix Krull
24 days ago

Damn, I forgot the clincher: you don’t need any institutional changes to get started with Krullocracy, you just get elected and let party members vote on your website. Then the result would be proportionally transferred to the vote in the legislature: if the vote on your website is 70% yea and 30% nay, 70% of your parliamentarians vote yes, and the other 30% no.

You don’t need anywhere near 50% of the seats in the legislature to seriously disrupt the criminal enterprise that is modern politics, because the other parties could never be sure what the Krullocrats would vote.

Wolf Barney
Wolf Barney
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
25 days ago

The GOP thinks the problem is too much racism, instead of a severe shortage of it.

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  Wolf Barney
25 days ago

A race is just an extended family. Racism is as natural and good as loving one’s own family and putting their interests ahead of strangers.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
25 days ago

Heretical thoughts for the Left, but Godly thoughts

We stand with God (or nature, or however people choose to see it) and we win because truth is on our side

God = Truth

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
25 days ago

Since I am the one who has a propensity to say true things that result in negative votes, here is today’s contribution. What you say is true, the genetic preference for people who are closer kin to oneself. However this has a downside. it is commonly called nepotism. This is why in many Enterprises, there is a Prohibition on having a relative in the same organization. I can’t prove it, but I suspect there is a direct correlation between how enforced the prohibition against nepotism is and the success of said organization. A further downer is the regression to the… Read more »

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B123
B123
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
25 days ago

There is no replacement GOP. They ran out the clock on whites. They’re disappearing now as they no longer have any use. I’ve said before, keep in mind that California still has many high-value old white people running just about everything. The lights are (kind of) still on. California also has a small number of blacks. White people are relatively comfortable in California despite one party leftist rule… for now. But in Mississippi? Michigan? Would be a disaster. Whites also just puss out in Canada, the kinda-racist ones just move to smaller towns and commute, the rest signal non-racism even… Read more »

Citizen of a Silly Country
Citizen of a Silly Country
Reply to  B123
25 days ago

You’re right. California survives by having Hispanics and Asians rather than blacks. Canada has Asians and Indians instead of blacks. Those places can function. However, are they great for Whites? Not really.

But, yeah, they can sort of function.

DLS
DLS
Reply to  Citizen of a Silly Country
25 days ago

The GOP died after Reagan. It has operated as the right arm of the Democratic party ever since. It will not collapse as we think of it. It will just become more and more liberal so our rulers can keep 40% of the population sedated by fooling them into thinking they have an alternative. We will get more Romney’s, McCain’s, Haley’s, Rubio’s etc. I’m not sure anything else comes next.

Drake
Drake
Reply to  DLS
25 days ago

Yes – I hadn’t been paying attention back then and was absolutely shocked when I watched McCain debate Obama. He basically agreed with everything Obama said, he just wanted to do it slower and a little less. He had completely dropped the Reagan philosophical opposition to the left.

John Smith
John Smith
Reply to  Drake
25 days ago

John McCain was a member of the globalist CFR, along with Bill Clinton and George Soros.

threestars
threestars
Member
Reply to  DLS
25 days ago

*after* Reagan?

Judge Smails
Judge Smails
Reply to  DLS
25 days ago

They will give Low Energy Jeb a Red Bull and turn him loose in 2024.

Sperg Adjacent
Sperg Adjacent
25 days ago

The Bronze Age Pervert (a mysterious figure who, interestingly, figures little in /our/ circles) has argued very plausibly that the editor of The American Conservative, Arthur Bloom (out of respect for the delicate sensibilites here I shall not point out his ethnic background) is running a dox operation against the race-realist right, which is of course the real right. I think that Bloom, and a lot of these “conservative case for…” guys, are just straight-up left-wing infiltrators now. Another reason not to trust institutions–their infiltratability (if that’s a word.) You’re probably better off now just reading bloggers you trust, such… Read more »

Editor George
Editor George
Reply to  Sperg Adjacent
25 days ago

That’s the problem with the Open Society–that it’s open. Open to infiltration. Open to bad people.

I hate to say it, because it sounds so leftoid, but a fundamental motto of our guys at the present time has to be, Distrust All the Institutions. Especially in light of the fact that infiltration (entryism, subversion, whatever you want to call it) is a fundamental left tactic.

People need to “look through the frame” of the institution, and its specious authority, and see the people inside, and what they’re doing. Are they their people or our people? That’s the only real question.

lo-tech
lo-tech
Reply to  Sperg Adjacent
25 days ago

Sperg—- As with everything, follow the money. The line from this silly messaging: “big government is Racist,” “public schools are Racist,” “prohibiting cattle hormones in food is Racist,” runs straight back to the Koch network. They think that if they try hard enough, they can bring lefties and non-whites on board with their weird libertarian agenda. In sum, it’s not left-wing infiltration you’re seeing, rather it’s libertarian messaging from powerful donors. The link between T.A.C. magazine and Koch is foreign affairs: T.A.C were founded in the 2000s to give an anti-war perspective. Also, Koch and the left-wing foundations are on… Read more »

Johnny
25 days ago

Zman I remember hearing you disliked this guy, but the 1 guy considered the intellectual and political leader of the 1990’s was Newt Gingrich. I wonder how you found his intelligence? The other mentioned was George Will. Now we obviously see Gingrich is pro trump and George Will is a Never Trumper.

Johnny
Reply to  Johnny
25 days ago

Newt Gingrich was the conservative thought or intellectual leader of that time.

John Smith
John Smith
Reply to  Johnny
25 days ago

Newt Gingrich was also a member of the globalist CFR during the 90s, along with Bill Clinton and George Soros.

Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  thezman
25 days ago

Gingrich my congressman back in the 90’s contract with America days. The Albert Speer analogy is brilliant.
And Will is a die hard Cubs fan (fwiw)

Ben the Layabout
Ben the Layabout
Reply to  thezman
25 days ago

Gingrich should get an award for daring to mention George Soros during the recent interview, which resulted in the icy Silence with his interviewers.

Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Johnny
25 days ago

I’d once heard someone say that Newt was so smart that he could convince himself of anything, which is about the best description of him I ever heard. A very well reasoned man, but also given to flights of fancy since his intellectualism has no grounding.

Johnny
Reply to  Evil Sandmich
25 days ago

Now some claim Ted Cruz is our intellectual heavyweight. Generally he is okay half the time and terrible on the other half.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Johnny
25 days ago

God help us.

John Smith
John Smith
Reply to  Johnny
25 days ago

His wife Heidi Cruz is the heavyweight, director at Goldman Sachs, etc. She is also a member of the globalist CFR.

Higgs Boson
Higgs Boson
25 days ago

The new political paradigm is no country for passive aggressive invertebrates. The walk away movement is producing some interesting hybrids. Not sure the Republican banner can draw enough lightening to support the emerging ideology. We live in interesting times.

Dr mantis_toboggan_md
Member
25 days ago

Besides the lack of intellectual heft, the defensive mentality of the Establishment Right is also a fatal flaw. Say what you will about our enemies, but they use the “moral struggle” to force us to fight battles on a field of their choosing every time. One of the things I learned from my college basketball coach is when you stop attacking, you’re back on your heels and your enemy can dictate the engagement. We played a brutal, full court man defense mixed in with some trapping that forced you to beat us with crisp passes and patience. Most teams wilted… Read more »

Religious Fanaticism
Religious Fanaticism
Reply to  Dr mantis_toboggan_md
25 days ago

The right (to use the broadest spectrum, including those in “our thing”) lacks religious conviction. The right mocks the BLM and Antifa rioters in the streets, but these are people with ferocious religious conviction that are willing to die for their beliefs. When an unlucky innocent driver gets caught in a “protest”, is attacked, and has to force their way out, only fanatical religious fervor can describe the rioters that chase after the car, dedicated to using their own flesh to stop tons of moving steel. When an unlucky business owner is forced to use a weapon to defend themselves… Read more »

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Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Religious Fanaticism
25 days ago

Why I think that the only way out of this is a rebirth of Christianity as specifically a white man’s religion with a white man’s God. The universalism has to be killed off. And this makes sense since a white person worshipping God, quietly, personally, is way different than the hooting and hollering you see with black people in the pews, for instance. There is no way we are celebrating the same God. It’s impossible and at the same time ridiculous to even entertain the notion that we are trying to spiritually connect with the same deity. It was always… Read more »

Stranger in a strange land
Reply to  Religious Fanaticism
25 days ago

Agree the ‘right’ – as Zman defines it – is lost in a fog of principes, etc.
The verdict may still be out as to how much religious fervor the Left has – IF and when someone punches (or shoots) back, and IF instead of catch & release arrests the melanin deproived cool their heels in the pokey for 30 days or more with the D’ontavious’ and La’Keshisas’ of the world, and IF there are actual convictions for felonies. Then we’ll see who gots the true religion.

CompscI
CompscI
Reply to  Religious Fanaticism
25 days ago

Not sure I buy the fanaticism analogy in a large group setting such as our current riots…I mean protests. There is something that goes on in such settings that allows the individuals in the crowd to do irrational things that they’d never do alone. That’s what makes such settings extremely dangerous. It’s almost as if, as a cell in a body, or a bee in a hive, or a soldier leaving the trench, they ignore/lose their sense of individuality and vulnerability. Perhaps a distinction without a difference.

Owlman
Owlman
Reply to  Dr mantis_toboggan_md
25 days ago

My 2 cents. Even playing 9-deep, you’d need athletes in amazing condition to keep up a press the entire game. A good offense beats a man press easily as they get duped in the front court and the offensive player will always know where he or she is going before the defensive player. I for one like a zone press, with its sideline traps better as finding 9 amazingly conditioned athletes is not happening beneath the highest levels of the game in my experience. You have to work with what you have, but teaching the thinking part of the game… Read more »

Owlman
Owlman
Reply to  Owlman
25 days ago

To continue, and this absence of time spent in sweat weakens the so-called DR, as it, like the so-called Conservative movement, contains too many deep thinkers and talkers.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
25 days ago

Skimmed an interesting article on Unz last night. Somewhat related, somewhat OT. Radical individualism’s inability to cope with ‘acts of God’.

https://www.unz.com/mhudson/how-an-act-of-god-pandemic-is-destroying-the-west/

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Evil Sandmich
Reply to  Paintersforms
25 days ago

Bankruptcy liberalization should be a central plank of…some political party it would seem, but obviously it isn’t.

RoBG
RoBG
Reply to  Paintersforms
25 days ago

It’s their “cope” that’s the problem: “Money Printer go Brrr.” Money goes to Companies and Banks without oversight or conditions that would protect THE ACTUAL AMERICAN CITIZENS/WORKERS THEY’RE FOISTING THE DEBT UPON. Sorry, I got a bit shouty there. Continue.

Liberia Holds the Key
Liberia Holds the Key
25 days ago

In an ideal world, instead of being paid to terrorize small white towns, the NFAC could be paid to round up all the conservative think tanks in Washington and deport them to Liberia. Once they got settled in, conservatives could use Liberia as an immersive case study to resume writing about how it’s IDEAS and IDEALs that make great societies and that race has nothing, nothing, NOTHING to do with it. In return for their help, the NFAC could be given Washington for their black supremacist ethnostate. Proportionally it’s about as much land as they’re owed, it’s not one of… Read more »

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TomA
TomA
25 days ago

The demise of the Conservative mental addiction is a triviality compared to the rise of the parasite whiner cohort. Political and cultural failure will pale in significance when the gravy train derails and the hungry mouths demand a tyranny to feed them anew. Rhetoric has never vanquished a Jackboot Corp. Give me the man who can swing a long-handled axe rather than the poser who smirks a clever quip.

Felix Krull
Member
25 days ago

<i>Today, no one can think of a single writer or thinker on the Right that is worth a minute’s time</i> That’s because rightism isn’t a thinking thing. There are no grand theories, it’s about a loose collection of ethical dogma which are instinctively understood, rather than arrived at by an intellectual route. Also, that’s why I don’t believe in the Big Brain-approach, it only creates internal fractioning and personal drama. I see our thing as a motte with a multitude of baileys, the motte being the ethnostate and the baileys stuff like pro life, religion, guns and such. I don’t… Read more »

Owlman
Owlman
Reply to  Felix Krull
25 days ago

“I see our thing as a motte with a multitude of baileys…”

Ah,an Engrish lesson. So on that motte, will it matter how high the bailey is if looking out, one realizes one is looking into the eyes of those that are using Motti tactics?

Screwtape
Screwtape
Reply to  Felix Krull
25 days ago

Yes too much of the right is revenge of the nerds where the nerds never actually get revenge – or the girl. You know, because the time isn’t right or there is that physics test in the morning. Meet back here next week. They will invent all matters of problems to be solved to avoid the “problem” of Whiteness- or the honest but unfair natural order of life. Like a javelin with dynamics optimized for the limp wristed gay black thrower they are so smart they can ignore that the world is not ordered around weakness even if physics can… Read more »

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Screwtape
25 days ago

When intelligence becomes a liability, as it clearly is with many whites. Smart enough to engineer a hole in the ground but not smart enough to find their way out of it. Why a large problem with the DR was always the obsession with IQ scores. Black man on Disqus: “I got big dick” White boy: “I got big IQ, so there” On and on and on As if IQ was ever going to mean anything when blacks are hitting them over the head with rocks. Use your IQ to your advantage or learn another trick to keep yourself alive… Read more »

Owlman
Owlman
Reply to  Screwtape
25 days ago

Any “movement” that consists of acolytes of Eff Glee Barely is going to be filled with the limp wristed.

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
25 days ago

Ironically enough, Max Horkheimer also elucidated and condemned the managerial state. He argued that in–inevitably–capitalist society, human beings were turned into commodities to be administered rather than being autonomous citizens with basic rights vis-a-vis the state. The Frankfurters were, of course, hard-shell Leftist radicals, but they actually created some ideas with which the DR would agree.

And, BTW, Z-man, it’s teeming, not teaming. I’m sure you know that.

sentry
sentry
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
25 days ago

capitalism is revolutionary doctrine, it has no basis in tradition and nationalism, capitalism is simply oligarchical rule masked as freedom & good ol’ american values, only idiots think oligarchs won’t subvert society for their own purposes.
even google agrees:
an economic and political system in which a country’s trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  sentry
25 days ago

To use E. Michael Jones’ vocabulary, it’s labor vs. usury. It’s clear after centuries that capitalism directs peoples’ energy towards unproductive things. Fewer babies, less industry, but lots of finance! What a scam.

Still I wouldn’t throw the baby out with the bath water. Private property is good. What’s bad is thinking value is created by scheming and not the sweat of your brow.

Paintersforms
Paintersforms
Reply to  Ostei Kozelskii
25 days ago

That’s the thing with the left. They had many brilliant and insightful thinkers, but they worked for Evil.

Not so much for a while. Chomsky had his moments imo, but nothing very pernicious. Foucault was something but he’s long gone. Maybe there’s somebody important working today, but I haven’t come across his work.

If you want to feel encouraged read Capitalism and Schizophrenia. I had to study that incoherent mess back in college, and it convinced me that the left was intellectually barren. Granted that was 17 years ago but all the same…

Ostei Kozelskii
Member
Reply to  Paintersforms
24 days ago

Most people don’t know that, later in life, Horkheimer got religion and moved rightward, although he was hardly a Goldwater clone. He was, however, concerned with protecting Western civilization from the “technicized barbarians from the East,” and came to disdain egalitarianism because it blurred distinctions between “decent people” and “scum.”

Hoagie
Hoagie
25 days ago

I’m no mental giant but sometimes when yo writ a piece like this I feel so lost on what you’re talking about I’m like Biden in the Bunker.

Falcone
Falcone
Reply to  Hoagie
25 days ago

I can be the same way. I am good at a few things, but some of the guys here should be professors they are so learned. I’m often lost. So let me try to paraphrase it in ways I understand and you may too. Pre Trump, conservatism still had appeal and was perceived as being pro Troops and red white and blue. The never Trumpers revealed a darkness in the movement that was all about fighting foreign wars with no concern for people back home. Hence, they wanted to destroy Trump for America First policies. The media always had a… Read more »